There’s been a lot of gossip about Prince Charles as of late, partly because an “unauthorized” (not really) biography has just come out about him and partly because Charles’ press office seems to be in overdrive for some reason. Perhaps Charles is worried that his younger brother Andrew, the Duke of York, has stolen too much attention with his seedy, gross and (if true) illegal sex scandal – go here to read some of what Andrew is facing these days. According to a new report from the Daily Mail’s Katie Nicholl (hmm…), Charles and Andrew’s relationship has never been this strained. The whole piece reads like the most epic Boy Drama ever, probably because it’s boy drama, brother drama AND royal drama all at once. Some highlights:
No B-Day Invites: Charles didn’t invite Andrew to his 66th birthday party, even though the party was held at Buckingham Palace and Andrew was in his suite of rooms in BP just yards away.
Andrew feels cut off: Numerous sources close to the Duke have told The Mail on Sunday that he has been ‘cut off’ by Charles who has ‘left Andrew out in the cold’ during his darkest hours. The ‘shutters came down’ according to one source close to a senior member of the Royal Family when Prince Andrew was named in US court papers by Virginia Roberts… it is said that the Prince of Wales has so far refused to discuss the scandal with his brother.
Charles never writes: Charles is historically “a great memo and letter writer to his family, particularly when it comes to matters of importance” but he hasn’t written to Andrew in months.
Andrew is embarrassing: A family friend says: ‘The froideur is worse than ever. Charles considers the whole sex scandal degrading, damaging and very embarrassing. He thinks that his brother has made some very bad decisions but he has said nothing to Andrew, he simply hasn’t communicated with him at all. There’s been a very icy silence.’
Charles doesn’t even want to hear Andrew’s name: ‘I was told never to mention Andrew’s name in the Prince of Wales’s company,’ the source revealed. ‘This is no brotherly spat. It is a seismic shift downhill in Charles’s relationship with his errant brother which seems terminal. Andrew is having to live with the harsh reality that Charles has cut him off and left him out in the cold.’
Charles is worried about money & Fergie: While other family members are publicly supporting Andrew, Charles will not: ‘He does not want to become involved in any way. He is very angry that his brother has put the family in this very difficult and embarrassing situation. Charles has very serious concerns about Andrew. He can see legal fees going through the roof, there’s a serious risk of Andrew becoming involved in a court case, and unanswered questions about his friendship with Epstein and this girl. Then there’s the fact that Andrew is still living with his ex-wife and has just bought a very expensive ski chalet with her. Charles thinks Andrew is making a fool of himself where Sarah is concerned.’
Charles is pissed that Andrew has always been the Queen’s favorite: ‘Charles knows the Queen will always be a staunch defender of her second son almost to the point of lacking objectivity and reason… which has irritated him beyond measure over the years.’
There’s more in there about Andrew “leaning on” his younger brother Edward and how Charles and Andrew’s relationship has been contentious, on and off, for years. Andrew is pissed that Charles took away the York princesses’ security, and Andrew is pissed that Charles keeps pushing Andrew away from balcony appearances. You get the idea. I’m an only child, so I don’t understand a lot about sibling rivalries, but some of this just sounds like typical sibling drama, only everything is EXTRA because we’re actually talking about the future King of England and his younger brother. And you know what? Charles isn’t even wrong about half this stuff.
Oh, and it’s true that Andrew is the Queen’s favorite. Phillip’s favorite is Anne. Charles was only the Queen Mum’s favorite.
Photos courtesy of WENN.
And whose favorite is Edward?
the corgis….
Let the corgis rule! (I have a corgi and if only he had opposable thumbs he could do it!)
Yes!!!
Corgis rule!
I have one myself.
He’s my little fur baby.
There’s something about corgis that always put a smile on my face. Must be those short, little legs and those big, floppy ears.
Edward is said to be Philip’s favorite.
Edward is no one’s favorite, but at least the Queen likes his wife…
Prince William is also no one’s favorite, even with only one sibling to compete with, and with a wife who could have been someone’s favorite. Kate’s no one’s favorite either.
Edward will inherit his father’s title. I think that speaks volumes.
I think it is Anne that is Philip’s favorite.
This is really classic BRF dysfunctional family relations in action. And shame on the Queen and Philip for playing favorites with their children! Something like this, and not talking about it can lead to all sorts of conflicts and dysfunctional behavior.
IMO the wholef amily need a good therapist. 🙂
Edward is “expected” to receive Philips title but that’s only a forgone conclusion if Philip dies before the Queen, if the Queen goes first then it’s up to Charles who gets the title or not, so Edward needs to stay on Charles’ good side.
Yes, Flower, this. I suspect Charles will hijack the title for Harry if he gets the opportunity to. I just don’t think it will happen because Philip is in very poor health. But, you never know. Both my parents died unexpectedly.
Philip is 93. If he dies at that age it cannot be considered “unexpected”. I think both Philip and the Queen are remarkable senior citizens. Can’t believe they are still doing public appearances. And the queen always looks fabulous.
Princess Anne 4 Ever. That is all.
I have read that Edward is Anne’s favourite.
….and Andrew was Diana’s favourite. What a family.
Edward is the favorite of Mr. Barrow and all of the other boys below stairs. LOL
TBH not the royal boyfight I was hoping for.
*goes back to imagining prince Harry and prince Carl Phillip naked jello wrestling*
That’s going to get me through the day. Thank you.
I’d watch
What color jello, she asks interestedly?
In my mind I’m picturing orange. Of course, that may give Harry a stealthy advantage.
Can we change that to Felipe and Haakon?
Notasugarhere, it’s tag team. Someone will need to keep you ladies entertained while I towel Harry off to get ready for round 2.
They can be the opening fight but not the Main Event. Hot Ginge gets top billing. 😉
Oooh, there’s not much (or not anything?) that I wouldn’t do for even just one night (or day, whatever) with Prince Carl Phillip….
Given his history you might want to get a blood test first (his that is).
😉
Hmmm, has Charles forgotten a certain taped phone call to Camilla where he wishes he was Camilla’s ” tampon”. Wasn’t that call made while he was still married to Diana?
The allegations against Andrew are very serious and maybe there is some sibling jealousy happening. But Charles is not actually pure as the driven snow either
What?! HAHAHA
I said this below, but at least Camilla was a (very) consenting adult.
Are you really comparing that to Andrew being good friends with a rapist and possibly being one himself?!? I honestly can’t believe people arent more outraged over this
Nope but at the time Charles was like the biggest perv to ever perv when the tampon line was made public.
I think she is saying is Charles shouldn’t throw rocks in glass palaces.
I believe a lot of men have said they’d like to live up there if you know what I mean, and I won’t say any more. His misfortune was being taped, and then sold to the highest bidder, when he said it.
Correct bluhare
All some here have to really bash Charles on is a bit of information learned in a private moment made public through illegal means. It’s about as much as what that man did to Erin Andrews by invading her privacy without her consent.
It doesn’t have an impact on how Charles operates so it’s just petty to continue to act like it’s so damning to his character.
We all have a kink. we all have things in our lives we’d rather not share with the world.
Yeah we all have a kink but what a pathetic one…..he is, after all, comparing himself to a wet, bloody, inanimate object????
Every one gets the quote entirely wrong Charles never said he wished he was a tampon…..here is a transcript of the conversation…….
Charles: Then you can cope.
Camilla: Then I’m all right
Charles: What about me? The trouble is I need you several times a week.
Camilla: Mmmm, so do I. I need you all the week. All the time.
Charles: Oh. God. I’ll just live inside your trousers or something. It would be
much easier!
Camilla: (laughing) “what are you going to turn into, a pair of knickers?
Both laugh
Camilla: Oh, You’re your’e going to come back as a pair of knickers.
Charles: Or, God forbid a Tampax. Just my luck! (Laughs)
Camilla: You are a complete idiot (Laughs).
Charles: My luck to be chucked down the lavatory and go on and on forever
swirling round on the top, never going down.
Just a normal PRIVATE conversation between two consenting adults that the tabloids sold 5million copies on.
I think the difference is that there is potential legal litigation involved in Andrew’s situation, not to mention pedophilia.
Well having a consenting adult mistress and talking dirty to her isn’t quite the same thing as being a rapist and pedophilia. Not by a long shot.
Plus I feel like Charles has learned from his mistakes of how he treated his ex-wife and mistress. Andrew keeps doing the same things over and over again that shows he thinks he’s above his family and the law. Remember his whole plan to sell out his family for money? And now this.
I agree. Andrew is an embarrassment – what a disgusting scandal. And his continued support of Fergie after her scandal a few years back where she was taking $$$ to introduce people to the royal family. I don’t blame him. I’d be giving icy silence to my sibling as well.
There’s no way Fergie was doing that without Andrew’s knowledge.
But Charles is not throwing stones. He’s just completely clamming up. He does not want to defend Andrew, but he doesn’t want to say anything negative, either. He just is shutting Andrew completely out and not talking about it. It’s probably the best he could do under the circumstances.
Charles never WISHED to be Camilla’s tampon. He was making a self-deprecating joke about how with his luck, that’s what he’d end up being. Not what he wanted to be.
It was a private conversation about how much time they wanted to spend with each other and it turned silly. Not something any of us should have had access too.
Thank you! Because that was certainly not one bit embarrassing!
Spot on! What a hypocrite! Prince Charles can’t stand ANYONE getting more attention than he does. He used to categorically hate it when still married to Diana that she got all the attention. It is probably 99% of the reason that Prince William & Kate maintain a low public profile. They both know well enough not to tread on his toes
For the millionth time, all members of the BRF set their own schedule. W&K set their own schedule. This was reiterated when a palace official said the AU/NZ debacle trip was all W&K’s choice.
Spring 2012
Richard Palmer @RoyalReporter
@sofia09870 Kate’s office says she is dictating her own pace and is happy with it.
Richard Palmer @RoyalReporter
@HMtheRedQueen She is dicatating the pace and her office says this how she wants to do it.
Richard Palmer
@HMtheRedQueen
One Sunday broadsheet claimed llast weekend there was concern Kate was doing too much. But there is no concern on that score.
Charles needs his line (William and Harry) to be popular. He cannot afford to hold them back – so he doesn’t.
I (and i know others) can only shake our heads at this line of comments.
Silly schoolyard behavior here.
And I thought this thread would be full of interesting conversation.
I don’t give a damn about the tampon line. I think Charles is a hypocrite for catting around while married. Andrew’s been accused of horrendous things, but none of them have been proven yet. And at least he’s not married.
I wonder what would have happened if Andrew had been allowed to stay married to Fergie.
So his ongoing relationship with a convicted pedophile is okay because he’s not married?
I get that Andrew is gross, but Charles has supplied us with plenty of icky details too. Remember grass stains on his knees? Tampon jokes?
Underage sex/possible rape vs. silly talk with a free lover of consenting age? They are not in the same category.
Belle
Nota is right. Though it’s worth noting all people can come up with against Charles appears to be that 1 time long ago comment made in privacy between 2 consenting adults.
Are people really arguing Andrew’s actions are on the same level as Chares that 1 time?
Get some perspective people.
No Andrew’s definitely been awful, on a truly disgusting level, and Charles’ actions are not nearly as bad, but in some ways I suspect Charles has no gumption or he might have behaved just as badly.
Good thing for him.
Who writes memos to family members? That’s just strange
I think I will try the memos to family members thing:
TO: sister
RE: skirt
Is hideous.
TO: mother
RE: family dinner
Please consider chicken pot pie.
These could really come in handy!
Oh this could be fun:
To: Mr Snazzy
Re: Laundry
Please remove the clothing from the washing machine and place on line to dry
or
To: Boss
Re: Work
Stop being an ass. LLAP
I love this!
To: Husband:
Re: This is Just To Say
I have eaten
the plums
that were in
the icebox
and which
you were probably
saving
for breakfast
Forgive me
they were delicious
so sweet
and so cold
Lunchcoma, you made me look up Matthew Macfadyen’s reading of this poem on youtube. Thanks! You have made me so happy!
You’re welcome, Carol! I love that poem, maybe because it’s so easy to imagine living with the narrator. Nice to run into another fan!
Dearest Mummy:
Why, oh why, do you favor Andrew…I am the oldest son and will one day become King!
Dearest Charles:
That’s what you think!
Prince Charles correctly understands how this underage girl scandal – with photos of prince andrew with his arm around Virginia Roberts – is a direct threat to the monarchy.
yeah, and andrew put himself in those seedy situations.
I don’t think anyone can explain why parents gravitate to one child over another. The Queen does seem to make excuse after excuse when it comes to Andrew. And Andrew doesn’t help himself by being pompous and arrogant. And falling in with shady people. And Fergie. I used to defend her; felt sorry for her. But I’m over that .
And I agree, Charles, for all his faults (petty and no stranger to scandal himself), is right about most of this.
It is so harmful when parents have favorites, though. I have three kids and NO favorite. I scrupulously avoided having a favorite because they are all lovable.
Ideally no one has a favorite. But I think it happens regardless. And while you may think you do not have a favorite, the kids usually identify who mom’s favorite is. I have never heard a parent say they have a favorite still doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.
I use to think my mom liked my brother better. I was a horrible teenager who screamed, slammed doors, said I hate you, smarted off to everything she said. My brother did none of those things.
When I said why did you like him more. She said it is easy to be nice to the kid that is nice to you. When someone is wishing you dead it is much harder to be nice to that kid.
I think I am the favorite now, I don’t ever ask for anything.
You’d be surprised. I never thought my mother had a favorite, but apparently my brother did. After graduate school, I moved in with my mother and stepfather until I found a full-time job and when my brother came for Thanksgiving he had a MELTDOWN when he found out they’d given me a remote control for the garage door. A remote control. My brother accused my mother of never loving him, favoring me, etc. It was a fun holiday. /sarcasm All because I got to park my crappy Dodge Neon in the garage.
Now that’s nothing on Andrew and Charles. I can only imagine Charles’ bitterness with Mummy loving Andrew more, but yeah sibling rivalry. ..fun times even when you’re not a royal.
My sister was both my parents’ favorite (according to her). I suppose it’s impossible to not gravitate to some more than others.
I feel bad for Edward. Everyone knows he’s no one’s favorite!
Bluhare, it is said that Edward is Philip’s favorite. I think Philip he has a special place in his heart for his only daughter, but Edward is frequently said to be his favorite child, not Anne. Why, I don’t know. This is his last child therefore the favorite as baby of the family? Did they bond while HM was busy fawning over toddler Andrew? Philip and Edward are both the youngest son / last child in their families. Maybe they understand each other best.
Often I think parents and children will identify with and gravitate more towards one parent. It doesn’t mean the other parent (or child) is loved any less. At least that is what I tell myself, because my daughter prefers her father over me. But I know that she needs me every bit as much as she needs her father.
Just my $0.02
One of my favorite lines comes from an otherwise bad sitcom: The family has four children and I don’t know what one of the boys did, but the father says, “You know how parents aren’t supposed to have favorites? Right now you’re third.” You might have had to see it.
We have four and two have special needs and we always worry about someone feeling left out. I try to get each one alone at times to tell them what I admire about them and what joy they’ve brought to our family. At night I tell each one, “Of all the [name]s in all the world, God gave us the best one.” Trying to keep a balance is hard!
I read a biography of the Queen Mother, and it sounded like Charles had a pretty miserable childhood. Phillip didn’t understand the concept of a sensitive son, and QEII wanted Phillip to be head of the family and so wouldn’t contradict his decisions. The Queen Mum was horrified at some of the things Phillip was making Charles do, but QEII wouldn’t let her weigh in. I wouldn’t be surprised if Charles and Andrew aren’t close at all, much less close over Andrew’s possible legal issues.
Ah, the ultimate Smothers Brothers feud – Mom always liked you best! Of the four royal siblings, I don’t think any of them are particularly close. You see photos of William and Harry goofing off together but I can’t recall seeing Charles walking with Anne, or Edward hanging with any of them. I didn’t have a favorite child of my two (now in their 30s) but if I ever want to get them going, I have been known to ask them which one was my favorite. They each claim the other is. What is the point of having children if you can’t mess with them from time to time? Fortunately, my kids are very close and their sibling relationship trumps my parental one in many ways.
There are photos of the siblings goofing around back in the 60s and 70s. Then Charles went off to school, Anne married , Andrew went in the Navy and Charles married. There’s a very cute shot of Charles playing with either Andrew or Edward in Scotland. But Charles was over a decade older than Andrew and about 15-6 years older than Edward, very unlike William and Harry. And Charles and Anne have vast,y different temperaments. (Though they do share common dating interests–Anne was very in love with Andrew Parker Bowles who dumped her to wed one Camilla Shand)
Andrew is supposedly his mother’s favourite because he is the living reminder of an affair she had with the man who managed her race horses. Many rumours that Andrew is NOT Prince Philip’s son but instead is a result of this affair. But when your wife is the Queen of England, what are you gonna do?
Thanks. I thought I had read that somewhere.
Not only has this been debunked many times, I doubt they’d name him after Philip’s father if that was the case. Andrew is said to be the make-up baby, after a bad patch in the marriage (the fight over their official last name).
When my father was dying he asked for a private moment with me. My brother and husband withdrew into the hospital corridor. Dad then told me how much he loved me and whispered that I had always been his favorite. I was sobbing, but told him that I would go get my brother so they could have a private moment, and so he could tell my brother that he had always been the favorite. (-: Andrew might have squandered his favorite position by going from what could have been fondly viewed as being a party boy to complete perv status.
Andrew and Fergie =your drunk uncle and aunt at Thanksgiving dinner.
That you can’t wait to show up, so that the party can begin!!!!
Go Charles. For once, he is right. Get rid of these idiots. Andrew should have known that once the Queen passes away, he is going to be in a difficult situation. Beatrice and Eugenie will just have to live off their trust funds and fakey jobs, oh and the taxpayer funding their apartments. Hopefully, we will see even less of them. Andrew pushed them for more royal work but it was and is a bad decision as it won’t be a long term thing.
I know this will sound juvenile, but Charles is totally goosing Camilla’s Royal Highn-ey in the last picture. Lol
I feel sorry for Edward. Wasn’t he anonye’s favorite?
edit: I should have refreshed the page before posting, someone had the same thought.
Andrew looks really needy in this piece
Charles has his mess, but Andrews situation is terrible.
Andrew being best buds with a known and documented pervert is worst than anything Charles has done and I hope he continues to pay Andrew dust.
+1,000,0000
Um, Charles also was friends with a known & documented pervert — Jimmy Savile, anyone?
And the British political establishment is rife with child molesters. The mainstream media is trying to cover it up.
That’s an excellent point. Let’s hope Charles didn’t know.
Jimmy Savile at least hadn’t been convicted when Charles was friendly. Andrew contained to be friends with Epstein even after he pled down to soliciting sex with a minor and went to jail. Ick.
I wouldn’t know what to do if my brother had done what Andrew is accused of doing with those underage girls, being passed from man to man. Perhaps Charles knows it’s true. Putting aside image, money and mother loves you best, it’s just disgusting and vile. My brothers would never do that, but if they were the type of men who would, I might cut them off, too. Charles is not my favorite, but at least Camilla was a consenting adult.
Very true. I don’t have brothers, but a lot of close male cousins – if I found out they behaved that way I’d go nuts on them
Pity that we’re all merely human… That said, women have to go bonkers over these kinds of perversions, in order to wipe them off the face of the earth – not under the carpet, as would be easiest – we have children to protect! And there are millions of women who deserve justice from these types of men, for trauma’s so imposed.
I do not see Charles as superior to Edward. All royals are seem preeminent in their ability to use people, which has been coded and imbedded in British culture and governance, for centuries! It’s good to be king, right?
Yikes of the two I’d have to side with Prince Charles. Of all his scandals at least everyone was of age! Yuck to both of them though.
Yeah, of that generation? Team Edward.
It would be nice if these people just knew how to be sorry.
Admittedly, Charles’ shenanigans involved an adult, but that’s about the kindest thing you can say about his tawdry behavoir. And that didn’t “damage” the “brand”? This is just the warm up for when he becomes king. He strikes me as the type who believes in payback- and he can’t wait to unload on the supposed favorite. Don’t get me wrong- Andrew is no innocent patsy in this matter, but family dynamics is another matter altogether.
Andrew possibly committed a crime against a vulnerable child.
Charles had affairs with consenting adults, which does not come close to what Andrew is accused of doing.
Good for Charles. He’s right to put the royal deep freeze on his brother. I wouldn’t want to get mixed up in this situation either. Prince Andrew and Fergie have been involved in shady activities for decades and have somehow managed to skate. However, Andrew’s (alleged) involvement in a sex scandal with an underage woman should be the last straw. It’s hard to understand how someone like Andrew who had it all–title, money. etc–could sink so low.
I agree. Randy and Fergie can claim to be “bestest friends” all they want, but you know he can’t ditch her as she will write a tell-all book about the royal family.
Well, Charles is no angel himself, he had a very close relationship with UK’s biggest pedophile Jimmy Saville, there are a lot of pictures on them together……….
Yes, I just posted this as a reply, above.
But did he know what he was doing? It didn’t come out until after Savile was dead so maybe Charles was clueless. Seems like a lot of people were.
Bluhare
Or the land of Denial.
Denial can be so strong it can prompt an individual to believe the most ludicrous idea (s)/explanation (s) for over fifty years or more to avoid the pain of the truth.
Epstein was a convicted pedophile and Andrew still hung out with him.
Kori, in that case I don’t believe it was denial.
Andrew had his own selfish reasons involving money too. He knew exactly what was going on. No denial there.
Andrew is a cold fish who doesn’t care about anyone else except for his daughters just like his low- life ex Fergie.
Though, one could argue if they really cared about their daughters, they wouldn’t repeatedly embarrass and humiliate them via the ongoing scandals.
@ bluhare
As future King and current Crown Prince Charles gets a lot of information because of the position he is in. There are lots of people creeping and a**kis***g the future monarch. Charles wants to slim down the monarchy so any dirt on Andrew, Anne and Edward is welcome. Even if he can’t use the dirt in public. Charles must have known else he is unfit to become king.
So let me get this straight, initially it was alleged that they let the pimp creep cut a deal because higher ups in the Bush admin didn’t want names coming out?! So, they protected a child molester and sex abuser? I say throw the lot of them out into Death Valley at high noon in July and see who survives Hunger Games style. Forget court, obviously that hasn’t worked. ONE freaking year in jail???! And I don’t blame Charles in the least for treating his brother this way. I have brothers and sometimes they do disappointing things or act like jerks but I love them anyway. However, nothing like what Andrew is being accused of. You are correct that this is no ordinary sibling rivalry. And Charles does have his future office to think about. Andrew deserves no protection in this instance. Let him stand up in court and answer the charges.
What is most sad about it all, is that Queen Elizabeth gave awards
to this pedophile Saville, how could she not have known it, when she has all this intel people that constantly informs her, this is scandalous …
She also just promoted Andrew to vice admiral, after this scandal came out, so there’s that too.
She’s done this kind of thing before. When the Epstein scandal first hit a few years ago, she made Andrew a Knight of the Garter. One of England’s highest honors.
All the other stuff aside for a minute, I would just like to say that Charles is wearing the hell out of that suit.
Charles almost always looks spectacular. The guy knows how to wear a suit and pick a tie. In the one shot he and Andrew are wearing the same suit but Andrew has a hideous tie on. It’s amazing what a tie can do, gentlemen …
He needs to take both of his sons to his tailor.
No. These days Edward is Philip’s favorite.
Are Andrew and Charles William and Harry in the future?
Could be – if Harry doesn’t find something to do with his life. I suspect that’s why Harry recently announced that he’s leaving the Army to do charity work abroad. That will keep him out of the way.
So Charles is embarrassed about another family member’s sex scandals…hmmm, Charles married his damn sex scandal and we’ll never forget it. Pot, meet kettle. Sheesh.
You forget that Charles did not commit crimes with his sex scandals. This scandal is threatens the monarchy and Charles understands that very well.
Thank you. Andrew is accused of a crime. That’s not the same thing as having an affair.
I dunno. The last time a crown prince had an affair with a married-then-divorced woman, it did nearly bring down the monarchy. And when that prince inherited the throne, he was forced to abdicate.
Let’s not forget that Edward VIII already was deeply distrusted by his own government for his sympathies towards Nazi Germany. Wallis was a convenient excuse to get rid of a distrusted king. The english king that was as distrusted as Edward by his own government was James II and he was also removed.
Personally I find Andrew to be the least likeable member of the British royal family. I remember once a few years ago watching a documentary which he was part of and he actually did come accross exactly as you’d imagine a self-important, entitled, arrogant, jealous, wannbe king to come accross as: self-important, entitled, arrogant. Just so very, very unlikeable. This man is currently a queen’s son, and one day will be a king’s uncle, and then a king’s great-uncle and so on (as long as the monarchy continues) until he is of no more consequence or importance as any other person in the world. And I expect that’s what he can’t stand – his brother, nephew and great-nephew etc will be part of history and he will be forgotten (as will his two daughters whom he also insists on foisting on the British public).
I did read a review of a book that a former servant of the Queen wrote. It was filled with a lot of little factoids, and one in particular stood out: Andrew was the least liked member of the BRF among their staff! From what I recall he insisted that they do not look at him or talk to him. Philip was the favorite among the staff for being considerate and appreciative of their work.
I find that how people treat their staff or employee say a lot about them as persons, for good or bad.
I confess to judging people by how they treat their waiter at a restaurant.
Absolutely. It’s when people feel comfortable enough to show their true selves.
I browsed some articles in some of the bigger magazines and news papers that had quite a lot of detail about Andrew’s behaviour towards his staff (verbal abuse, parading around naked, pinching women’s bottoms, etc.) – and the only way they’ve could have gotten hold of this information is from someone inside the household. Mistreat the satff and they might grass on you to the media, which is not ideal if you’re a public person.
Edward can be quite the martinet too.
Andrew is completely disgusting. I don’t blame Charles for distancing himself from him. Even if you didn’t have the monarchy to worry about, would you really want to talk to Andrew either? I wouldn’t and I’m just a peasant.
Charles just had the standard mistress scandal that the majority of famous people have. Andrew might be a rapist and have engaged in underage sex trafficking. How can those two possibly be compared?
Andrew is such a big screw up I’ve never understood how he can be the Queen’s favourite. At some point she should be like “Ew, you’re gross. You’re not favourite anymore”.
Didn’t you read how the Queen just gave Prince Andrew another honor in light of the sex scandal?
From the UK Mail (2/12/15)
“Prince Andrew is to be promoted to the naval rank of Vice Admiral just weeks after he became mired in a teenage sex slave scandal.
The Queen has approved the appointment, which is timed to mark her second son’s 55th birthday next week.”
This is one blind spot of the Queen’s I will never get. She’s carried herself well in every other capacity, but the kid who is her favourite will probably be the one to blemish her record.
Does this rank of Vice Admiral come with immunity to legal charges?
Judging the way the Queen deals and judges her own children I would say she is not fit for being head of state of any country.
Rumor has it, that Charles uncle Mountbatten (pedo) and father Philip introduced
paedophile Saville to Charles, it is said that Saville organized party’s with minors which Charles attended and this is also documented ……
Eh ben…
With how this world goes, i wouldn’t be surprised.
By the way, i am pretty sure Charles and The Queen knew to an extent about Saville but choose to look away. You won’t convince the intelligencia didn’t do their duties before the Queen awarded him so many honors.
And do no forget that in seventies/eighties they were a big push by politicians, artists, personalities to legalize relationship between minors and adult/or reducing the age of consent to 13 in some contries.
I thought Mountbatten was gay and that was his big secret. But I do remember Charles being devastated when he died.
However, I stopped keeping up on royal gossip when Diana died. Us peasants over here in the Colonies have our own alleged “royalty,” to keep abreast of in their shenanigans. So, watching the British monarchy air their dirty laundry isn’t on the top of my to-do list. But if it can be proven Andrew did engage in raping an underage girl, hang him from Tower Bridge. I don’t care who he’s related to.
As far as I know Mountbatten was bisexual and trapped in a very unhappy and scandalous marriage with a wife he couldn’t satisfy sexually. She had numerous affairs, one with the Indian PM Nehru. He visited brothels with young male prostitutes.
What’s with all the Jimmy Saville-Charles talk? Does that somehow justify Andrew’s longstanding association with Epstein? Or the fact that he and Fergie accepted latge quantities of money from him? Or that Andrew was directly implicated as having committed a crime himself?
No! Just that Charles isn’t the best one to criticize his brother on this.
So let me get this straight. After the Queen protecting and shielding Andrew his entire life, Charles actually makes it clear that he’s going to be left out in the cold as the consequence of Andrew’s lifetime of bad decisions, and your reaction is “people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stone”? Really?
If Charles is in fact guilty of any shenanigans aside from being friends with Saville, that doesn’t make Andrew any less deserving of being cut off, and it doesn’t change the fact that Charles is really the only one that could do it.
I wouldn’t put too much into the rumors of “favourites”. I doubt very seriously that Queen Elizabeth or Prince Philip have ever been directly quoted as saying which of their children are their “favourite”. Even they wouldn’t be that callous to say something like that in the public.
But if this feud between the brothers have some truth to it, then I hope Prince Harry is taking note because this could be him in the future once Will is King.
I was just happy to read the word “froideur” again, perfectly placed. Sigh.
I loove it when journalists bring out the big vocabulary guns.
Oh yes and it happens all too rarely these days. Soon we will run out of print journalists, alas. We can mourn this along with intelligent movie dialogue….
Allegedly having sex with a trafficked minor seems like a pretty good reason to pull back from your relationship with someone, if a bit above and beyond the usual sibling drama. It sounds like Charles is more embarrassed than outraged, and I suspect that’s true, but that’s really objectionable behavior and I don’t think people are obligated to be close to (adult) family members regardless of their actions or character.
Maybe I’m wrong but doesn’t pedophilia mean that men/women are sexually attracted to prepubescent children? The term hebephelia, which is attraction to teenagers, might be better used for what’s going on with Epstein and Andrew, and Clinton and Dershowitz and many others who got pulled into Epstein’s horrible web. I do think Andrew consorted willingly with these women but to characterize him as a “rapist” as some comments state isn’t the right term, they had sex with him at the request of Epstein so wouldn’t it be characterized as having sex with an “underage minor”?
In any event, Epstein and his partner Ghislaine Murdoch deliberately recruited teenage girls into his organization for the explicit purpose of providing sex to the rich and famous, and there are videos and diaries of these encounters, which means he was fully intending to blackmail some of these high-rollers. They are nothing more than evil pimps and Andrew must be one of the dumbest guys on the planet to have gotten involved in this vile relationship. Amazing what a stiff pr*ck can do to a guy’s brain.
As Robin Williams (sigh) once said, “God gave men both a penis and a brain, but unfortunately not enough blood supply to run both at the same time.”
According to the details of the case, Epstein recruited 12 year old girls as well.
I just wonder who helped Epstein to receive such mild sentences in court.
Law in the State of Florida (for example):
Statutory Rape—Criminal Offenses
A child under 16 years of age cannot consent to sexual activity, regardless of the age of the defendant. A child who is at least 16 years of age and less than 18 years of age cannot consent to sexual activity if the defendant is 24 years of age or older.
Something to consider, for those who say ‘rapist’ isn’t the correct term, as he ‘only’ had sex with a minor (if the allegations are true.)
@ TotallyBiased
Thank you very much for your comment!
And let’s not forget that minors can not ever consent to prostitution even if prostitution is legal in the respective country. If a minor is abused as a prostitute then it is automatically at least:
– rape
– enforced prostitution
and probably a few things more like abduction / limitation of liberty and criminal conduct of the person in charge of the minor.
@ Jaded
Are you aware that you whitewash Andrew’s severe crimes?
Virginia Roberts didn’t sleep with Andrew “at Epstein’s request” because that twists things into a merely uncourteous act from Epstein.
Instead Epstein forced a minor prostitute to sleep with Prince Andrew. Think pimping of minors and underage enforced prostitution and potential blackmailing of state officials.
I remember being a teenager and thinking Randy Andy was the cutest thing, ever. Problem is, it’s been 30 years and his behavior hasn’t changed. What’s hot as a young naval officer just looks pathetic as a portly, red faced, middle aged man.
Personally, I think Charles has spent 50 years waiting to get Andrew in a position where he could screw him, and the time has come.
Harry needs to look long and hard at what has happened to his uncle.
India: I believe Richard Kay wrote an opinion on that exact subject last week. Now that Harry is leaving the Army, he needs to be careful that he remains useful and not go down the path of his rudderless uncle.
Rumor has it Harry is trying desperately to find a rich wife like his friend Guy Pelly did last year.
Like Charles has such a spotless reputation? Look what he did to Diana with that Bassett Hound Camilla Parker Bowles. People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
Because having an affair is totally the same thing as having sex with a minor who was forced into sex slavery.
There’s a pretty large difference between a bunch of consenting adults screwing around on each other and having somebody provide underage girls for you.
@ Sharon
Charles adultery with Camilla might have been morally distasteful. But Andrew should face criminal charges for what he did. See my list:
Charles: adultery with a consenting (and probably volunteering and willing) adult who most likely had no business interests which might have benefitted from such an acquaintance
Andrew:
– suitor of a minor prostitute who was forced / coerced into prostitution, (prostitution of minors is a crime)
– acceptance of procurement of an (unwilling) prostitute (this might be rape)
– possibility of a “repaiment” to Epstein. Possibility of exposing himself to a potentially disgraceful situation as a state official. In that case Andrew would be a bribed or blackmail-able state official as he practically acted as a government special trade envoy and the whole thing would be a major crime. So far nothing is know about a possible “repaiment” to Epstein or whether Epstein “blackmailed” Andrew with information. But he who thinks there was no repaiment is a fool. Epstein is a hard-nosed businessman. His “girls” reported that he wanted them to tell him everything about the bedroom activities. And whenever Epstein faced criminal charges so far his sentences were EXCEPTIONALLY mild in comparison to the crimes he committed.
Until he is proven guilty, he is considered innocent. Let’s not make a complete judgment until all the facts come out. As you get older in life you learn that not everyone tells the truth which ever side you are on.
@ Sharon
I agree one shouldn’t judge too quickly.
I merely wanted to point out the possible criminal charges that Andrew would face if the media reports should be accurate. I wanted to contrast Andrews alleged actions with Charles romantic activities (adultery) because some commentators here seem to think that the alleged claims against Andrew were on the same level as Charles romantic activities. That is not the case. If the claims against Andrew are true then he should get a prison sentence. As should Epstein.
My guess would be that the establishment holds a protective hand over Epstein as long as Epstein doesn’t talk nor publish information or videos.
White male entitlement and privilege, should be on trial here. When men in high positions, are forced to become accountable for their crimes, I believe it tends to show men further down the ladder, what is tolerable or not (e.g. football and domestic violence). To let men get away with sexual crime, only reinforces male sexual catcalling privilege. This is important! If Andrew becomes accountable – so do many others, perhaps ratcheting this kind of behavior down…I believe that men might think twice!
A blackmailable State official has even further ramifications.
I find it offensive that anyone would draw a comparison between an affair to the rape of a child. They are not close to the same thing and the suggestion that tgey are remotely the same category seems terrible to me. (I’m not suggesting this was Kaiser’s line of thought. Just the sentiments expressed by more than one poster)
Personally, I am in favor of any and all consequences that Andrew encounters since the rich and/or powerful do not always have to face consequences for their actions.
Again, just my opinion.
Ice capades brought to you hy the prince who tried to throw his mother under the bus after Diana died.
Andrew has at least never been caught on tape imagining himself to be his lover’s used tampon.
Anything Charles did with consenting adults (or on his private phone) pales in comparison to Andrew hanging out with a convicted pedophile and possibly committing a crime.
In what frame of reference is private silly talk with a lover considered worse than forcing yourself on a minor?
The bottom line is that they are family. You may not agree with everything they do, their’re still family.
I didn’t know that Andrew and Fergie were living together…they never told me.
Happy news that I missed last month. Naruhito and Masako met with a few high school earthquake victims. A couple weeks later, they met with the Prime Minister of Thailand. Both visits took place at their home.
This sounds typical to me. As the parents approach the end, the sibling rivalry goes through the roof. I’ve seen it over and over again: brothers and sisters getting vicious and stop talking, just when the parents are at their most frail or oldest. I chalk it up to “pre-grieving.” They attack each other rather than deal with the idea that their parents are going to go.
Also, the kids, as older adults, are set in their personalities and mistakes and the parents’ favorites become much more obvious. Who says siblings are supposed to get along? They may have zero in common other than the accident of birth into the same family. Finally, I don’t blame Charles from distancing from Andrew now. The charges are gross. Epstein is a pig. Just associating with him calls Andrew’s judgment into question. Meanwhile Charles has given his whole life over to his duty, including a mis-matched marriage when he was in love with someone else.
What kind of Queen is she when she openly has a favorite as a mother? A mother should love or at least pretend that she loves all her children equally. She should always try to be fair and make fair judgements. If Elisabeth doesn’t even manage to do that as a mother to her children then how can she be considered to be a fair ruler aka Queen?