As we learned on Father’s Day, Kim Kardashian and Kanye West are expecting a boy this time around. The news was actually leaked ahead of time and Us Weekly reported the sex of the fetus a few weeks ago. I had always thought that Kim and Kanye didn’t really care one way or the other about the sex of their babies. Kanye in particular has never struck me as the kind of guy who expected a “male heir” or anything – he obviously adores North and I could see him with as a happy father of many daughters. But as it turns out, Kim and Kanye wanted to ensure that they got a boy this time. So when they were doing IVF, they only implanted boy embryos.
Kim Kardashian put all of her eggs in one basket! The now-pregnant reality star, 34, and husband Kanye West underwent an IVF gender-selection process this spring to predetermine baby No. 2’s sex.
“She only had boy embryos implanted,” says a source close to Kardashian, who confirmed the gender on Monday June 21, after Us Weekly broke the news. During the procedure — which can start at roughly $17,000 — doctors isolate fertilized embryos of the preferred sex in a lab, then transfer them to a uterus.
“Kanye and Kim are so excited to complete their family,” says another source of the parents of daughter North, 2. “Kanye loves Nori more than anything, but to make his world complete, he wanted a little boy, an heir,” says a source close to West.
Kardashian is elated as well. “Kim always wanted two kids,” says a Kardashian pal. “A girl and a boy.”
Adds the Kardashian source: “Kim would have happily taken a healthy baby, but being able to choose the sex is the cherry on top!”
So I guess I have to revise my opinion of Kanye. He IS the guy to want a male heir. Those guys irritate me (because why can’t a daughter carry on her father’s legacy, right?). But I’ll say this… after all of the fertility drama and going through the lengthy process of fertility treatments and then IVF and spending all of that money, I can see why Kim and Kanye (and other couples) would want to choose the sex of their baby. I mean, if you have the choice, why not? I’m sure there are some medical ethicists who disagree, perhaps making the slippery-slope argument about genetically engineered babies, but on this case – choosing a baby’s gender – I don’t see it as some huge ethical dilemma. And does this mean that there are Kimye girl-embryos sitting in a freezer somewhere?
Photos courtesy of Fame/Flynet.
I mean if you’re already going to those lengths, go for it. And the male heir thing is stupid, although I have no problem with just saying hey we want a boy so we’ve got one of each.
Same. If they’re having fertility problems and this is her last pregnancy, then might as well round out the brood so they have one of each.
I think they only did ivf so they can gender select. She just said she was having problems, so people would think that was why she did ivf and get more sympathy, than if they said they did it because they wanted to select the gender
@ Snowflake
I agree. I never believed they had actual fertility problems. North is so young and since they report their whole lives to the public we know Kim and Kanye spent a lot of time apart last year. That’s not trying hard to get pregnant. Also if you are really desperate for a child you just tell the doctor to use which ever embryos seem the healthiest and strongest with the best chance of success. To my knowledge those are usually the female embryos.
+1
She got prey with her first apparently easily, the baby is still little and to claim they ar having fertility problems was too zoo.
Now we know the real reason for the IVF. They were selecting the gender.
Ya I dont get how they can claim infertility when their first kid is not even 2. That is not a lengthy fertility battle like they would make it out to be.
No shade just dont lie. I only tried for 6 months before I did IVF. I knew my body and I knew I wouldn’t get pregnant but I didn’t act like I had a struggle.
You are right they probably did IVF for gender selection.
Snowflake, I thought the same thing. No infertility, they just wanted to have a boy.
Snowflake and MP: You hit the nail right on the head. I’m convinced the struggle story was to butter everyone up, create some drama for their show, garner some sympathy for her and set up the IVF explanation, all for selecting the gender, and never thinking that people would see right through it. I don’t believe her fecundity was ever in question. She’s a Drama Kween, so none of this is surprising.
I think Charlie Sheen did something like this to get his twin boys, after 3 girls.
Where do you stop though? If you can chose the gender of a baby, what is next? Eye colour, personality, talents? What if you go into the future like the movie Gattica – where naturally conceived babies are discriminated against.
I agree. There is something so distasteful about choosing anything about your baby – the natural consequence of that is that the other choice (whether it be sex, hair color, or anything) was second best. The characteristics that are considered “lesser” may end up the being lost. You need only look to China to see the horrific murders caused by gender preferences.
Or this is the new frontier in evolution – tinkering with our own genes and artificially selecting for desired traits and ending the passage of dominant deleterious genes. It’s not all bad. Did you know they’ve figured out how to stop the transmission of some terrible mitochondrial diseases by replacing the mitochondria in an embryo with a third parent’s mitochondrial DNA? The child technically has 3 parents but mitochondrial DNA only accounts for a very small percentage of a person’s genes. And it’s permanent. Meaning the new mitochondria is passed on to that baby’s children, effectively ending the inheritance of the original mitochondria. This could prevent debilitating and lethal diseases from being reproduced. Forever. This isn’t just about designing your own baby, that’s a very narrow view to take of this. Plus, people can synthesize DNA in a garage now. Banning it would drive it into an unregulated black market. We know how well that works with things like drugs, weapons, human trafficking, etc. right? There’s no “murder” happening when you’re talking about altering a single-celled organism. The infanticide in China is a result of a misogynistic culture that deems women worthless and the fact that law banned gender selection at an earlier stage. So they didn’t do a damn thing to address gender equality and baby girls are thrown out into the snow to die by the thousands. Now thanks to that super effective law we are seeing an unheard of gender imbalance in that region of the world which could cause all kinds of other unintended consequences. The source of racism and sexism isn’t going to go away unless we actually address those things. Banning genetic innovation is not going to help either way. This is not rudimentary 1940’s era eugenics we’re talking about here.
Well her pregnancies are engineered so why not the kid? Now she’ll have another 7.5 month pregnancy to avoid weight gain.
I’m sure it will be gender normative with kim dominating the girl as she was by her mother with the boy allowed all sorts of artistic and rascal ambitions while the girl is pretty. That’s it.
I agree they probably did IVF just to gender select. Very slippery slope. Don’t like it at all.
I agree, and I loved that movie!! Very thought provoking.
I do think gender selection is a slippery slope. In thinking of the movie Jurassic Park and the line “nature finds a way”: even though they went with XY fetuses, it won’t prevent a genetic male child from growing up to identify as a transgender woman *if* one is wired that way.
I don’t mind you choosing…whatever do you…but male heir? Is he effing stupid?I hope so because that is incredibly disrespectful to Nori. Even England doesn’t have this primogeniture crap anymore. Im going to give him the benefit of the doubt and just conclude he is an idiot.
This goes against the stories that were reported that stated Kim revealed to Kanye the sex of the baby on Father’s Day. If they’d only selected male embryos, he would have known already. Somebody’s lying.
Anyway, if you’re having fertility problems, and you’re not getting pregnant, the next step is to do PGD, to determine which embryos are the healthiest. Automatically you are looking at the chromosomal structure of the embryos and will know which are male and which are female. It’s a byproduct of the testing. It’s possible the only health embryos were males–I’ve seen it happen, even after multiple rounds.
I have a bit of trouble with gender selection, as it starts us down a slippery slope. And there are countries–mostly in Asia–in which they now have to import women because of their stupid policies (one child rule and those linked to inheritance) and are coming up against a population decline which is ruining their economies as the elderly grow older and there aren’t enough young people entering the workforce to take over. And to that, I say: Good. Maybe your stupid policies will finally die out along with your entire populace.
But we could argue about hypothetical slippery slopes all day long – and I agree with some of those points. I’m just saying deciding you want a boy, when you’re pretty sure this will be your last child, I don’t see a problem with it. In THIS situation, I’m not bothered by it at all.
Pinky, just regarding your first paragraph, I don’t believe Kim made an “official announcement” to Kanye on Fathers’ Day. I think what she tweeted (or whatever it was) was simply the continuation of conversations they’d already had, since he already knew the sex of the baby. If anything, knowing how widely it would be reported and commented on, it was her oh-so-subtle way of revealing it to the world.
I wouldn’t necessarily believe this story. It could be something trumped up by the tabloids. If she doesn’t deny it, then it’s probably true.
China’s one-child-in-the-city rule (actually enforced by financial sanctions) wasn’t actually stupid. Their population was too high for their resources and getting higher. They were dealing with famines. The problem was that the society did not provide equal opportunity and respect for girls. Otherwise, it would not have mattered whether that one child was a boy or girl. Preference for boys is still common here- many people hope for a boy as their first child, even though girls are better able to deal with the stress of being the firstborn. If Kim had a boy the first time, my bet is that there wouldn’t be a second time. Kanye wanted a boy. Kanye is getting a boy.
Ironically, because of the resulting gender imbalance, Chinese men are starting to import brides from other countries… So although they’ve gained some much needed time by the policy, they need to work on the sociological problem to really control population growth. They might manage it, now they have a whole generation raised as “only children” or in very small families, and as a result they’ve made amazing progress in a relatively short time, especially once they tossed out the damaging “Cultural Revolution” that deprived them of a whole generation of scientists and engineers. Access to resources does matter, and they’re catching up fast. But they’re basically in the Robber Baron phase, so they need to deal with that also. Our robber barons haven’t done us much good, either.
Meanwhile, Americans are eating their popcorn and watching shows about Duggars and high multiples. Our time will come… We just have a luckier reserve of resources than some other places, so we haven’t figured out yet that the pie isn’t getting any bigger as the table expands. We’re going to get hungrier.
She was not having a problem conceiving. That is a Kartrashian lie.
Her oldest isn’t even two yet. True problems with conceiving are at least one year of trying, followed by numerous medical tests that take months (because of a woman’s cycle), then drugs such as Clomid. The next step is IUI and then, finally, IVF. That process takes longer than less than two years.
They wanted a designer baby. Period. I’m stunned that some people are swallowing any of their lies.
(Yes, I’ve been through it. All of it.)
agree
agree 100%. this is all garbage, and their choice is the ultimate vanity. i find it sickening that they lied to readily about infertility.
I disagree we had 3 +years of infertility and I got pregnant my first time within 3 months of ivf treatment, including the tests and everything. The reason was because of male infertility so I got pregnant quickly, it was an intense 3 months and well timed but it is possible 🙂
@Melissa
THIS
Totally agree
Additionally 17g is A LOT of money for 98% of the U.S. But it’s pennies to the 2%. I think spinning this to be about fertility is an attempt to seem less shallow, calculating, and (this may sound odd) wealthy. Yes we all know they love being rich but I think “buying” their baby would be off-putting. This spin allows them to sell it as an act of love. Gag.
Such is the life of the insomniac… I just flipped over to DM, and they have a story saying Kim is denying the Us weekly report. She’s saying she DID NOT have only male embryos implanted. And we all know what a paragon of truthfulness Kim is. So there.
I think you all are wrong… I think she was having a problem getting pregnant. Her first pregnancy no one knew if they had a hard time or not. It seems that Kim has a hard time being pregnant; remember she was admitted to the hospital early due to complications.
Why does she have to lie? She could of kept the IVF a secret. Stop w/ the negativity.
2 kids in 2 1/2 years is not the best clue of fertility problems
i think we do know that she had no problem the first time considering that she was pregnant within months of dating kayne. and if you knew anything about the steps taken when someone is experiencing fertility issues, you would know that her timeline is off by about a year.
People with first hand knowledge of infertility issues know she is lying. Not think; know.
Also, problems during pregnancy (which I don’t believe because… Kardashians) have nothing to do with infertility.
She was dating Kanye within MONTHS of leaving Kris Humphrey (if that, let’s be honest). So either she was trying to get pregnant then with Kris, or she immediately stopped birth control when she began seeing Kanye, and then BAM, pregnant. That doesn’t really speak to an infertility problem. What complications during pregnancy could cause infertility problems? I could see miscarriages, certainly, due to uterine trauma, etc. And there may be something that interferes with fertility, but do we honestly expect that we wouldn’t have heard about it? This woman has no sense of privacy — if she suffered something devastating, i can’t for the like of me think that she would withhold that information.
Kim doesn’t use his last name so why would his daughter change hers?
Kim had no infertility issues, and true, problems in pregnancy has no link to infertility.. I’ve been battling infertility issues for about 7 years and I just had my first baby 3 months ago at 26 with absolutely no complications, delivered my baby vaginally ..I wasn’t married but id been in a serious relationship for about 6 years and we werent exactly using birth control but I never got pregnant until last year ,and I’d been dating my baby daddy for 6 years .. So Kim ,just spare us
Seriously — just be f’ing honest about it (for once). You have a girl, you would love to have a little boy. SOOO many people have this same wish, and state it, without any repercussions whatsoever. It’s just despicable that she would invent an infertility “back story” — the crime being that it could very well be true, but she lies so damn much you just can’t believe a thing coming out of her mouth. And it is THIS reason, above and beyond the vanity and vapidness, that i loathe everything about her. Be vain, be vapid…own it, for heaven’s sake.
It is quite the slippery slope honestly. But you can increase your odds for a boy or girl naturally as well so I don’t really have a problem with it.
I did have a problem with that Girls Gone Wild purposely having twin girls because it would show the world how much he loves women *gag* I was horrified.
The sperm determines the gender so no, there is nothing you can do naturally. Those are old wives tales.
I know it’s determined by sperm…It’s actually not impossible. We learned about it in several bio and human sexuality. Sperm that determines a boy swims faster but expire quickly while female sperm are slower but last longer. There are certain times that you can have sex that increase the possibility of each gender. Having sex closest to ovulation increases your chance for a boy.
@Alex
Yes that’s true. There are actually books about it.
I think you need to stop having sex 4-5 days before ovulation. That should significantly increase the odds of having only live xx-sperm around when the egg joins the party.
I know of a family who had 3 boys and had a girl after following the instructions.
Obviously it’s not 100%.
I personally believe that the Beckhams did the same as Kimye when Victoria got pregnant with Harper. They just didn’t want to talk about it.
Yepp, it’s the good old Shettles method, I can say it worked for us, that’s how we got out son, but others will say it’s only 50/50 chance either way lol
There is science behind it, it isn’t some hokey thing where you are only trying during a full moon or some other nonsense, the closer to ovulation the higher the chances of a boy, 3-4 days before ovulation and chances are higher for a girl…also, an alkaline body favors boy, and acidic favors girls…that’s the basic gist of Shettles…
I had a girl after 3 boys, but according to Shettles, she should be another boy. I’m convinced it’s 50/50 no matter what.
OBGYN chief resident here…I dont know which bio book y’all have been reading but its ALWAYS a 50/50 odd for a boy or girl. Stopping sex 4 days before ovulation does absolutely nothing. God the things people read and believe on the internet lol
Yeah I was just going to chime in that the Shettles method does not work in scientific studies.
Its not so much about having a male heir its about being able to PROFIT as much as possible. They’ve already done the little girl princess thing, now its time to do the baby boy thing.
Kim has been working her game for a long, long time–I had no doubt at all that it would be a boy.
Agreed. I could almost see Kim going for a boy so she could be done after this one.
I suppose if you’re able to choose the sex of the baby then it’s not a big deal, but Idk. I feel like if I were struggling to conceive the absolute last thing I would be concerned with is choosing the sex. I would want a healthy baby. End of story.
Kim wasn’t struggling to conceive. That was all a coverup for the real reason for IVF: gender selection. No way was she going to go through pregnancy again after this one, and Kanye demanded a boy.
100% agree!
I came on here to write that, but you beat me to it. Yup. No fertility issues, she just wanted a boy this time around to complete her happy family picture.
This.
Totally agree
I don’t know, IVF is a big deal to go through just for gender selection. It takes a toll on your body, you have to have injections and pessaries etc. It just seems like a lot to go through. I think maybe they did have infertility issues, but maybe they chose instead of waiting to go ahead and try IVF. I mean, I get that the whole Klan lie a lot, but it doesn’t mean they lie about everything.
these people aren’t normal.
they don’t care about health, they care about looks
if they cared about health, they wouldn’t live how they do, stuffing themselves into corsets, squashing their organs, covering their pores with loads of makeup 24/7, tanning, plastic surgery, etc.
they’re gross.
I won’t pretend to know the complete science of this process but I am of the school of nature taking its course. I find selection of the sex very unnatural.
Me too, Loopy. And worrying.
It’s almost like eugenics. It’s a little scary.
The gender selection issue is way bigger than Kim & Kanye, especially in countries like India & China, where the number of boys far outweighs the number of girls – due to gender selection.
http://noceilings.org/missing-girls/
i find the whole thing creepy.
Cannibell, yes, I was thinking the same thing. In some world countries, girl babies are killed because they are not boys.
IVF bothers me for lots of reasons, and this is one of them.
I imagine there is still a preponderance of people who see a son as the rightful heir, the be all and end all. Nature is delicately balanced. Start messing with eugenics (this is the start, IMO) and females’ worth will contine to plummet. This is scary stuff. Barbaric.
Do they ever think, in India and China, who their sons are going to marry?
@ Jax
Most of them believe their sons will marry “outside” meaning they will travel to America, etc. in hopes of getting a bride who can then bring his whole family over as well. The reality is very few women will want to marry these men. How are they going to treat their daughter in laws when they didn’t want to have any daughters of their own?
I’m pro-choice but these sex-selective abortions are often forced and pressured on the women, and it has nothing to do with economic levels – one of the worst gender imbalances is in one of the richest areas.
It’s basically eugenics, and it’s killing girls before they’re even born. And the girls and women who do get to live, live worse lives as a result of the gender imbalance – crimes against women are worst in places like those.
Me three.
Mainly because people disproportionately choose males. So everyone who engages in male sex selection better be cool with their son being gay or celibate.
That’s a good point.
Yes, it sits wrong with me.
I’m torn.
On the one hand, sex selection practices are awful and clearly morally wrong.
On the other hand…do I want people that LOATHE females so much that they would terminate a perfectly healthy pregnancy the people we want raising little girls?
Near where I live, two little girls just died recently. The couple had an older son and then the twin girls. The little boy was perfectly taken care of…the girls were beaten, starved and both eventually died in hospital. That’s obviously an extreme but what’s the best we could hope for? That they don’t abuse them but merely undervalue them and raise them to have no self-esteem?
Perhaps it would be better to let cultures like these gender-select themselves into extinction.
Me four. All things being equal I don’t think I would have too much of a problem with it, but we live in a misogynist world and boys are consistently valued higher than girls. I guess this is preferable to sex-selective abortion, but still, it’s creepy.
ETA: Sorry to repeat you Cannibell, Crumpet and Greenie Weenie, the comments didn’t refresh before I posted.
@Jax, I remember reading somewhere that in certain areas of India this is a genuine problem. The males so significantly outnumber females that many young men have to travel outside of their regions to find brides.
Except in this family, girls are more marketable than boys.
yeah, the gender imbalance in India has basically led to a rash of mail-order bride marriages, with all the attendant abuses that risks.
And that is before you even consider the fact that crimes against women are worse and practically endemic in areas that suffer from the gender imbalance (it’s not a coincidence that Delhi is commonly called the ‘rape capital of India’ by us…..and its wealthiest areas are among the biggest culprits for sex-selective abortions.)
A place that doesn’t value girls in utero isn’t going to value them one they’re grown either.
@ mare, that is as it may be, I was speaking more generally about the problem of normalizing sex selection in a world that systematically devalues girls’ lives.
@oneshot well said. I recently watched the documentary India’s Daughter. Horror upon horror of the rapists/murderers testimony an the callous victim blaming by the state actors and lawyers discussing her case. Of course this is a global problem, but India seems to have reached a tipping point.
I read also that the shortage of women has lead to an increase in polyandry, with women shared between multiple males of the same family…In theory I’m not against any poly practices, but I doubt this set up is reached with much consent from the women involved.
There’s a contemporary novel about this issue called “The Selector of Souls” by Shauna Singh Baldwin I’d recommend for anyone interested in reading more about this as it plays out in India. (Here’s the youtube trailer: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FYz-FN8dpKY – and in the interest of full disclosure, she’s a friend and in the interest of fuller disclosure I wouldn’t recommend her book if it weren’t a) fabulous and b) relevant. I have too much respect for the lot of you, who make my life better every day with your intelligent and funny and thoughtful posts.)
Unless there were some sort of serious medical reason, I don’t think I would do that.
More news to make me dislike Kim and Kanye even more. I really dislike these people and feel badly for their resulting children. What happens to the children of individuals suffering from narcissistic personality disorder?
I’m child of one and I’ll tell you what? They spend the rest of their lives trying to unravel their self-worth; trying to be ENOUGH!!!
I’m so sorry Jen. I have a friend who is the daughter of one. It’s so painful to watch.
Jen, I am one as well. Usually a narcissistic parent will chose one child to be an extension of themselves. And the narcissistic rages that ensues on the parent’s part when the child invariable does something to state their separateness are enough to give a child PTSD.
My mother and I are now estranged (I refuse all contact). It helps a great deal, but I still long for that mother that never was.
Being an only child with a narcissistic mother it is extremely hard. I think my biggest issue in life is being a mother and not wanting to be anything like my Mom. I can remember clearly at 7 years old thinking that I never wanted to be anything like my Mom. Once I was old enough to be an adult and my Mom couldn’t control my actions things went south, quick. I just hope that no one else has to endure this.
You are seeing it in action. Kris Jenner created these vapid monsters. NPD at it’s finest.
My MIL and FIL are narcissistic, and so is my SIL. My MIL competes with my SIL trying to be thinner, more fashionable etc. If there is ever a conflict between us, I’m just “jealous” or “being a bully”… my MIL and FIL are also absent from my child’s life most of the time, but when they are together, my MIL HATES to hear my child talk positively about my parents. “I miss Grandma …” and MIL will cut him off and say “Oh you mean Nana??” They will never change.
Maybe they just wanted a girl and a boy. It doesn’t have to mean he wanted a male heir.
Yep, this.
I really wanted to have boys (raising a girl scared the crap out of me for some reason) and I had a boy first. But then when I got pregnant the second time, I found myself really wishing for a girl. Obviously whatever we had would have been loved to bits, but I really started to envision our family with a little girl to “even out the balance”, lol. I really don’t have a problem with people having a preference and I think most people do have a preference to some extent. The only problem is (IMHO) when you treat your child poorly because “that’s not what you wanted”.
This really upsets me. Probably because I am doing ivf at the moment and it has been a struggle to get an embryo, let alone choose the sex. It just seems like they are buying their child from a catalogue. What next? Hair or eye colour? Only implant me with males with blue eyes and unicorn tails. Or maybe I am just jealous …
Sending lot of love and good thoughts your way Sopha!
don’t ever be jealous of people like this.
they have nothing but what they think the rest of us want, and they’re going to grow old and realize we didn’t want anything they had, because it was all fake and petty and for money.
I don’t know you and still have faith that you are better for our species and future than these two terds ever will be.
<3 good luck with everything.
Missmerry is right on. Kim isn’t having children because she’s so in love with Kanye or loves children so much, she’s doing it for attention and a story line (money) Kim will have no use for those poor kids when the cameras go away.
Well, they are very superficial, so I’m not surprised. Though I don’t necessarily have a problem with gender selection to balance out a family, there is always the issue of patriarchal cultures selecting only boys with serious long-term consequences. And the prospect of designer babies is disturbing. Hang in there, Sopha, I know it’s hard!
It’s better than killing the girl babies at birth, I suppose…. the traditional method of gender selection.
The Indian government had to ban some procedure that revealed the sex of the baby (or letting the parents know?) because too many people were aborting the girl babies.
Messing with the natural gender ratios can have long-term consequences for a society. It’s normal for more girls to be born than boys because girls are tougher and tend to survive better to birth. So whenever you see males outnumbering females, you know there has been some kind of pre-birth or after-birth selection going on. Sometimes it is as simple as giving boys preference in food and medical care.
Aww, Sopha. When you have your child, you will love it beyond words. Kanye, on the other hand, is adding to his doll collection (with Doll #1’s acquiescence).
I’m right there with you, we gonna have IFV in August. And as my husband has a genetics condition, the embryo (gosh, IF any), will need to be tested for that condition, but where I live, it’s illegal to test to select the gender, and I’m so glad it is.
We had to meet with geneticists and all, and they explain that we can’t know the sex, as the practice is ban, as there was people paying high sum just to get… boys. It can be legal if there is such a thing as a Y chromosome deletion, that can be pass only to the boys, so you can select girl.
But indeed, as a infertil couple, we don’t give a feck if the baby is a boy or a girl. Healthy? Good.
Stay positive. I did it and Al the other things that lead up to it, IUI, tablets and it’s stressful but hang in there.
I don’t see why you should bother to get upset by Kim and Kanye’s antics. The truth of the matter is it isn’t a fact if they did IVF or not. Whatever they did or did not do, it’s on them. They are paying for it. I don’t see how that parallels with someone else’s fertility issues.
+1, Sophia.
Sophia
It’s totally normal to feel the way you do. Even if you are “jealous” of them- we know you’re jealous of their opportunity and the whims with which they pursue any desire they may have.
It’s not like that for most of us.
Most don’t have 17g to ensure a child of our chosen gender. But then, perhaps most of us (?) wouldn’t feel comfortable going to that extreme.
I hope you have success getting pregnant and have a healthy child.
I struggled for well over a year to get pregnant with my second (including two miscarriages) and finally got pregnant when I decided I was ok with one child. I was blessed and it would be ok.
Then I got pregnant (am now 10 weeks). I hated when people said “oh just stop trying and let it happen naturally” so I would never ever say that to anyone. All I can say is I hope you can have some peace. It helped me to set short and long term goals- I started running agin and began to focus on what I did have.
But I know the pain and longing can be all consuming.
I hope it all works out for you.
If they did have trouble conceiving and there are concerns about this being the last child for health reasons, I can understand the drive to have a make so they have one of each. If we’re honest, a lot of us had hopes or preferences. My daughter was a literal miracle after 5 years, 3 miscarriages and a diagnosis of infertility; I said I’d be happy with anything so long as it was healthy but I wept with joy when they told me my baby was a girl. I personally wouldn’t be comfortable with gender selection, but I can understand the desire. I don’t think it has to mean anything nefarious.
I cannot believe the urge/need to control everything leads to a good place.
this sort of choosing makes me nervous.
I guess I’m a slippery slope kind of person.
I can see choosing male or female based off of genetic risks (if there are any genetic things you can pass on to JUST a boy or JUST a girl), but I couldn’t name one that would justify it at the moment…
But, there are millions of girls who do not exist right now because they were killed or aborted when it was found they were female (looking at you, India), so to choose a male or female from the get-go…could end up putting the population off-balance (looking at you, China) if it became a VERY common thing to do based off of the process becoming perfected, advertised and becomes affordable for most…could take 100 years, but is that really something we want to BE as a species? Is that good for us in the long run?
It’s good for this one couple right now, obviously, but now and themselves are all these assh*les care about…if we’re all like that…what is the future of our kind? our planet?
I also think of GATTACA, ‘perfect’ vs ‘imperfect’ babies is just asking for another set of boxes to put people in that will most likely cause somebody to hate themselves or be treated like 2nd-class citizens…
again, I know, I’m a slippery-slope person, and I also strongly dislike both of these people and what they stand for (themselves and money) in question so…
—- I was about to say, “Hello, China.” Of course, they have the “dying rooms” there, don’t they, which is a more visual and horrid example of choosing. This is totally different, via IVF, but still weirds me out for the following reason.
I have a good friend in the UK whose very well-to-do, very educated, very modern fiancé from India and London was delighted she accidentally got pregnant just before the wedding. As soon as he learned the gender — a girl — he went into a rage, tried to order her to abort the child and when she wouldn’t he broke up with her. She had the baby on her own, and is raising her on her own. The little girl is delightful, and at age 7, has already tested as advanced in math and languages (was studying third grade math and French at age 5 and continues this pace) and is sweet and plays violin beautifully and loves to paint. The father, a big hedge fund guy millionaire with hands in soccer too, rolls up once and year, mocks the child and offers to make her “disappear” in India with another family he knows.
You can read my mind. To be sure this is nothing like K&W choosing gender, and they clearly love North in their way, etc. and congrats to them, and the child on the way, certainly. I just mean — it sort of smells of that slippery slope, thin edge of the wedge. It bothers me. It’s their right to choose, and I am sure couples have many reasons to do so without disliking one gender or another, but I still feel kind of…….well, ick.
Oh God. I just googled ‘dying rooms’. I truly had no idea. Some people are really going to hell.
Crumpet — yes. When I first heard of them, like you, I wondered, “what?” and googled and attended a lecture charity thing about them, and have been horrified ever since. So unfortunately they spring to mind when I read unrelated stories like this one.
@liberty, sending all the best to your friend, I hope that turd of an ex-fiance’s c0ck falls off and he can’t father anyone else. Unconditional love is obviously wasted on him.
They have the money so why not BUT…stop saying they were ‘struggling’ she wasn’t struggling to get pregnant
I know, complete BS and very offensive to those who are in fact struggling.
But how do we know she wasn’t? I swear ppl are all up in others ovaries. I’m 33 and have low AMH as that of a 50 yr old. Shit happens.
Please. How long did they tried? That girl is how old? She was saying they were struggling when the baby was not yet 1 yr old. Bull.
So, did they do IVF because they had fertility issues, or because they wanted to choose a gender? I’ve gone through IVF. My main concern was just having a baby, not the RIGHT baby. And the cost and time to go through fertility treatments didn’t make me go “well, better make sure it’s a boy”. Gender didn’t even cross my mind.
Kim and Kanye just wanted to have one of each and then be done.
One thing that no one is saying: IVF gender selection is by no means 100% accurate. But, instead of the usual 50-50 odds….it bumps up your chance of having the preferred gender to about 80-85%….
Honestly, gender selection doesn’t sit well with me. I can’t stand people who still want a boy to “carry on the legacy” or “continue the family name.” Plus, isn’t the surprise part of the fun of being pregnant? This just confirmed for me that Kim’s so-called fertility “problems” were really just a prolonged process of making sure the gender selection went smoothly.
I considered gender selection because my husband already has two boys and I always wanted a little girl. Nothing weird about it over here.
I agree. I preferred girls and I’m glad I got mine. 2 girls/2 girls can bond and share over many things- clothes, toys, movies- I know mine do. Opposite sex can too, of course. I never felt incomplete without one of each and neither did my husband. I wouldn’t have tried to select. And if we ever have more, I genuinely do not mind whatever I get.
Well assuming she’s telling the truth about how difficult it was to conceive they may have wanted a son just in case it’s the last.
On the other hand gender selection can be scary stuff especially in countries where infanticide of female children is not uncommon.
The only difficulty they had in conceiving was the fact they were each living in two different places for most of that time. It is difficult to get pregnant long distance.
This didn’t happen. We don’t allow gender selection in the lab. Not a fan but this is an awful rumor to start.
I won’t be surprised if its false.
US Weekly is full of it a lot of the time.
These folks have money. They have surgeons who do repeated cosmetic surgery regardless of risk and who will do it on a teenager who is not finished growing. I’m sure it would not be difficult for them to find a doctor quite willing to do gender selection for them. Not all medical people have the ethical standards of your lab.
This. Money can open doors like you would not believe.
This lab in LA advertises it…
http://uscfertility.org/ivf/gender-selection/
Actually, lot of lab in the States do offer it.
Check PGD and PGS.
Seriously. They don’t do this unless there’s a chance for a genetic disorder.
3% of American PDG clinics have intentionally selected an embryo FOR the presence of a genetic disability. (E.g., deaf parents wanting a deaf child, or dwarf parents wanting a dwarf child.) http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/05/health/05essa.html?_r=0
You think they’d bat an eyelid at selecting for gender?
How would you know Viro?
My husband had 3 girls in first marriage. Then he and I had a girl. When we were struggling to get pregnant again we researched and found that you can in fact gender select (but it’s 80-85% not 100% guaranteed) but it’s expensive as well as intensive (hormones, monitoring your body, shots, etc). We didn’t have the money- and I didn’t feel it was right for me. I wanted to go natural or not at all. That’s just me and that was my choice.
But yeah this is a thing.
I would love to know how any “sources” even know this. I realise that the Kardashian clan are queens of the overshare, but do you think that Kim really does discuss every detail of her IVF procedure with “sources” who then mysteriously leak it all to the press?
Most of the women who I know have done IVF, I only know any details for a tiny handful of them because they are close friends.
It’s an obvious conclusion. Kim’s claims about fertility problems made no sense for many reasons. She was doing things very inconsistent with true fertility treatments. And yet she was claiming to be doing IVF, a peculiar thing to do so early in the game and not standard procedure. She has said before that Kanye wanted a boy and they would keep trying until they got one. Kim hates being pregnant. IVF for gender selection is a conclusion many people reached long before this. It would solve the whole problem and this would be Kim’s last pregnancy. It’s possible that Kanye isn’t actually in on it, he might actually believe the fertility problems tale. Kim lies to everybody, she would have no problem lying to Kanye.
This is SO GROSS… is 10,000.00 steps below Gender reveal Parties and those are already THEE worst
LOL what’s so bad about gender reveal parties? I’ve been to a few and found them kind of tacky, but harmless nonetheless.
What is there to celebrate ?? Like other than a healthy Baby?? like really placing bets and whatever else, That’s some Feudal times ish to me to be all “hoping for a boy and whatever” and then one of the parties making no bones and AWWWSSSing about the disappointment of not getting their preferred sex, just NO Is Your baby Healthy? Do You wanna Know? ask the Dr? do You not? cool Don’t but that is just *shudders*
Good points! I totally see where you’re coming from.
Oh god yes. It’s like an extra cash grab that I can’t stand. Especially if it’s your 2nd or 3rd kid. We need a party for this? Nope.
God Monica THANK YOU one of my GFs is Pregnant and she wanted to throw herself one of those things and we just talked her out of it, is like no “reveal’ idea other than telling people seems to be anything other than a terrible terrible parade of ” YEESSS IS NOT A BOY” or ” BOOOO A GIRL WONT CARRY MY LEGACY” is real Eugenics flavored
@MonicaQ – This is an excellent point that I didn’t think of. It is definitely a money grab, especially when considering there is usually a baby shower as well. To be completely honest, the people I’ve known of who’ve actually had these gender reveal parties (there have been 2) were pretty gaudy people in general so I just saw it as an eye roll inducing attempt at acting like their child was the second coming of Christ.
What is a gender reveal party?
It’s pretty much a second baby shower where you reveal the sex of your baby. Basically, a secondary cash grab made up by sancti-mommies.
@MonicaQ, thanks.
Nope, not a good idea!
Another perfect designer accessory for Kimye.
Is it even legal to select the gender of an embryo for any reason other than X-linked genetic disease?
Depends on what country you’re in.
Australia: Specific laws against it.
UK: Technically there’s no specific law against it, but the regulating authority will not license a clinic who offers it, and unlicensed clinics are illegal. So in practice, it’s illegal.
US: Legal. The big professional associations and lobby groups “discourage” it, but they aren’t regulating authorities so they can’t actually enforce anything. Individual clinics can do as they wish.
I don’t think we can do this in Canada. There are parts of BC (huge Asian community) where they will not tell you the sex of the baby at your ultrasounds.
That is so damn sad. Nothing more sobering than hearing about the fact that in 2015, there are people in this world who still want to do away with females.
Indeed, we can’t. Just in case of genetics condition that can be pass to the male or female.
But it’s mostly Micro-Deletion of Chromosome Y, and haha for those people, it’s only the girl that can’t be affected.
It’s really a ethic issue, specially in some cultural minorities.
In Quebec, they want to put even stricter rules to do PGD (genetics testing on the embryos). It’s even illegal in Switzerland, but then, as the cost of the IVF procedure, if there is a genetic condition, it’s great to be able to know if the embryo (if any) are “normal” or not.
But gender testing? That leave the door open to a shit load of issue.
I guess I’m in the minority here with believing these 2 did have difficulty conceiving a second child, but I believe they did. While I definitely believe Kim loathes being pregnant largely because she is so VAIN and that she is only doing this a second time to appease Kanye, it really isn’t so farfetched to believe she struggled. Kim is 34 years old and on average, it is considered a milestone to get pregnant at or older than 35 years old, because it is around this age that the decline in fertility begins.
Why is everyone jumping to conclusions that Kanye has to be the kind of man who wants an heir if he wants a son? Some people consider having one child of each sex a perfect family. I have a friend who decided to try for a boy after her first child was a daughter, and they now have 3 girls and are considering a 4th in an attempt to get their boy. This doesn’t mean they want an heir or that they love their daughters any less. They just want a son.
I’m not so bothered by the gender selection in cases like these, when a couple has struggled with fertility. I wouldn’t personally want to select my baby’s gender, but I have a lot less of a problem with this than I do with “designer babies;” i.g. picking out eye and hair color. THAT is an unethical and disgusting practice that is entirely too similar to the creepy, horrifying crap Josef Mengele tried to do during WWII in hopes of creating a new “superrace”
“Why is everyone jumping to conclusions that Kanye has to be the kind of man who wants an heir if he wants a son?”
Er, because the article literally said so? ““Kanye loves Nori more than anything, but to make his world complete, he wanted a little boy, an heir.”
I can definitely see how everyone’s comments would seem weird if you’ve accidentally missed that part. But since the article mentioned it, it’s a pretty logical topic of conversation. It’s not necessarily true, since it was just a “source”, but I can see why people are talking about it.
Lucrezia, I seem to remember Kim saying that Kanye loves North more than anything, but to make his world complete, he wants a son. I can’t recall if she specifically said anything about an “heir”, though. Perhaps others can recall when/where Kim said this better than I can.
I can’t stand either of them, but do hope their son arrives safely and in the best of health.
Lucrezia – I wasn’t referring to the comments, I was referring to the article. It is an assumption made by whoever wrote the article or whatever “source” came up with the claim to begin with. Until the words leave Kanye’s mouth, it is all assumptive that he wanted a son specifically as an heir. A lot of people say they want only daughters, or only sons, and it doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with wanting an heir.
TeaAndSympathy – I agree. I can’t stand them either, but whatever the case, hopefully the pregnancy is a healthy one and the baby is born in good health as well.
Oh, I see. I agree that the “source” may be putting words into Kanye’s mouth. But it’s also possible Kanye did/would say that. I can also imagine a 3rd option: him saying it, but not really meaning it. Let’s be honest, it’s one of those phrases that roll off the tongue, so even if you honestly believe a female can be your heir, I can imagine it slipping out.
Impossible to tell unless someone asks him directly. (I doubt he’d issue a rebuttal statement over this, even if untrue, because it hasn’t caused enough of an uproar.)
Having a child through IVF so soon after her first child does not fit the timeline of someone suffering infertility problems. IVF is one of the last steps, and any real doctor would have her go through the less severe steps first, for much longer. That’s why I think it’s a lie. Plus, they needed story lines for publicity and are not known for telling the truth. Utter garbage.
No comment on Kimye, but did anyone else notice how beautiful that Special Unit operative is???
Sorry, but gender selection does not sit well with me at all. From there it is a small step to say: Blue eyes, blond hair, high IQ. Gattaca anyone? It is superficial and unnecessary.
Meh. Lots of people want a girl and a boy. Like another poster said, it doesn’t necessarily mean he wants an ‘heir.’
I was horrified at the wording, “he wanted an heir”. Ah, a daughter IS an heir.
^This. Exactly.
Thank you, Nikki.
Someone think of the female embryos! – Nick Loeb
Jokes aside, that little boy is going to be such a mini-Kanye. They already dress North in leather pants, so for sure the boy is going to dress just like his daddy.
I even bet they’ll call him Kanye Jr, or Kanye the Second or something like that.
Or like someone on here said, Almighty. I’m adding Lord to the list… I know that twatty Disick bloke has adopted that title, but Kimye might just snaffle it officially.
They wanted a boy and they got one, but not because Kim was going through rounds and rounds of IVF due to infertility. Please. Stop with that lie. If she was going to do this again, she was going to make sure they got their little prince to go along with their little princess. These people disgust me.
Yeah I think what really happened (and this is just my opinion) is that Kanye wanted a boy. The only way to ensure he would get a boy is to do IVF with gender selection. So Kim had to act as if she had “fertility issues” so she wouldn’t look bad. She would never admit she had IVF just so she could select the gender. She said in an interview a while ago that if the second child was a girl she would have to have a third child and keep trying for a boy. This way she gets to only have two kids and make Kanye happy. A girl can be an heir too ! That sh*t pisses me off. And what is their “heir” going to inherit anyways? Kanye’s sneakers and Kim’s sex tape ???
You know, I don’t care if that is why they did it (even though I don’t believe in gender selection). What I hate is the fabricated stories of infertility. I would respect them more if they had just come out and admitted they wanted a boy and so went through the process. I’m so glad I had babies when they couldn’t tell the sex of the baby ahead of time.
swack, I agree with you. I, too, am glad my children came along before the gender could be determined prior to birth. Part of the excitement of their births was hearing the Doctor say “It’s a girl!” or “It’s a boy!” (or in the case of my son, “This one has outdoor plumbing!”). I asked my hubby prior to Child 1 if he wanted a boy or a girl and he said it didn’t really matter but maybe he was 51% leaning toward a boy. Child 1 was a girl so when Child 2 was coming along, I asked the same question and was surprised to hear him say he was 51% leaning toward another little girl. Naturally, Child 2 was a boy. Life is funny that way.
Sometimes I believe people think Kanye is nicer than he really is simply because he only shows his ignorance every couple of months during interview/award season.
You DO NOT end up with someone like the Kardashisn family if you’re not an ego-filled monster. You do not raise good children (Donda) to the age of maturity who fall in with that crowd simply because you have passed.
Kanye has found his people, he wants a boy and boom they only tried for a boy. How many ‘stars’ (because she can’t be a no-name or an average working woman) would do that without blinking when their first child is less than a year old? As others have pointed out he was barely around for much of North’s early life and Kim was totally unbothered. Even she forgot/removed North a few times to make sure her pap walks and selfies were flawless.
These two are like royalty in one way, they play a game of show for the public, boasting about their intellect and success, and let other individuals iron out the real details and do the hard work. Their children shall be there for publicity and photos while privately raised by nameless nannies.
Totally agree with You.
The Eternal Side-Eye… Abso-bloody-lutely!
Yep snowflake. I agree. They did ivf to dictate the sex of their baby which I find utterly disgusting. What is next? Genetic modification to guarantee a blue eye blonde baby? I personally do not agree with ivf period. We should not interfere with what nature intended. If you want a child, adopt. Many don’t agree with this stance. This is my personal feeling on the subject.
It is scary. There are science fiction movies about genetically engineered babies/ people. It does not bode well for man kind is this sort of thing is allowed.
What an ignorant thing to say. Nature wants everyone who gets cancer to die but I bet you have no problem with chemo. Nature doesn’t want you to take antibiotics or birth control but I bet you do. Nature wants depressed people to just go kill themselves so not anti depressants for them.
And saying, just adopt is so completely short sited it’s not even worth wasting time acknowledging you. I’ll just go buy my baby at the baby store b/c it’s SOOOO easy. Oh yeah, it actually coat over $20,000, takes 4-5 years IF you ever get a baby and you have to have over $200,000 net worth, perfect health, be married for 5 years and dozens of other qualifiers. But I’ll just go adopt.
But since you’re fertile it’s ok for you to pop out babies and not adopt.
What a closed minded, ignorant, uneducated thought process you have.
Amen, yoohoo. Pregnancy and difficulty getting pregnant are the only conditions where people think they have the right to dictate others’ medical treatment.
Exactly.
I’m always puzzled by how people reason things like this out to come to their conclusion. The keyboard you’re typing on has nothing to do with nature but clearly you’ve got no issues with a little man-made interference there.
You’re right. We should also do away with doctors, because obviously nature intends for all those sick people to die.
Me too
I have to say I get really irritated when people say oh just adopt. Adoption is not for everybody. Its the same as those people who are so quick to tell others adopt a child from America and not Asia. People have a right to do IVF and I am tired of people who suddenly under the delusion that they have a say in other peoples lives and choices.
why adopt when you can make one in a lab, it’s not like we have an overcrowded filthy planet or anything
Adoption is not for everyone. So people who want to be parents should undergo fertilely if needed? Why should they adopt if they don’t want to?
Me too– you’re rude and nasty! Medical treatments exist to save lives and create lives every damn day. What about women with cervical incompetence? A minor stitch keeps them from having 20 week miscarriages of healthy kids over and over, but should we not interfere? What about women with pre-e? Should we let them die because of “yay nature!” ? Do you think kids with asthma should be left to suffocate because that’s what would happen when things are 100% natural.
I knew that as soon as she said it was a boy.
no need for any of this to be surprising. No need to ask if its legal. People actually think these monsters think about laws. They don’t apply to them.
As for Kanye everything is a lie. He might want to check a history book. Hitler and Eugenics.
I am surprised people did not see through him all the way back when Amber didn’t speak.
This doesn’t sit right with me at all. Slippery slope indeed to choosing/buying what other “best” genetics a baby should have. If this story is true of course.
Friends of mine are carriers of a certain genetic disease. Male boys sadly don’t survive beyond a few weeks. They do have two healthy girls, but that doesn’t make the grief of losing those other babies any less. In these instances I can understand why one would chose a particular gender during IVF.
Didn’t Kim hate being pregnant? I think this was done for Kim – so they could have one of each, and she wouldn’t have to be pregnant again.
Well who would this surprise? KanYe thinks he needs an heir and obviously he doesn’t see North as being it. They are a creepy couple and I dislike them more and more as time go on and they play their pretentious narcissistic games acting as if they are all so cool and no one can see through their continuous lies. Yuk.
That’s what they’ve done in India. Since the portable ultrasound, Indians have been selecting only male children (you guess how). Now they are growing up and there is a problem because–not enough women. You can guess the consequences.
Congratulations Kim and Kanye for such a less-developed-nation approach to life.
Unless you are concerned about the health of the baby due to genetic issues, I just can’t understand preferring one sex over another, not to the point that you would actually choose the sex. All a parent should want is a healthy child. Not every parent is that lucky.
I hope Kanye learns that while he may want a son, he will probably get along better with his daughter. I realize this is anecdotal, but most men I know butt heads with their father and get along well with their mom.
This isn’t gross or morally reprehensible. Girls and boys are different and despite being a proud feminist, this is reality. men and women are different biologically, in a fertility timeline sense, and they are treated differently by society. The experience of raising a boy versus a girl is very different. If you have one (North) and the next might be your last and you were doing IVF anyway and IVF is a Godgiven tool, then of course, utilize that tool to try to have the other end of the spectrum (ie raising a young man). This is totally their prerogative.
Bish needs to watch “Mulan.”
lol
Now I’m really thinking they’re going to name the baby “Heir West”.
Of course this is why IVF to gender select only, and that’s why she knew the sex before 20 weeks pregnant like when most find out the sex. No surprise with these low life personalities. Just a joke of a human being. Only time can tell 🃏
That photo of Kanye holding North is priceless. Their facial expressions are identical right down to the wrinkled brow. Kanye already has his heir, and just watch she will be just like her dad.
Words falling out of a Trash Klan mouth and forms into lies. Always. Telling the truth would burn their skin.
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I must have missed the bit where we know this is a FACT?
I don’t like the idea of gender selection at all. Funny though that on this site it is perfectly acceptable for women (or men) to aspire to having girls but somehow taboo to want a boy. Such double standards.
Oh please, with their egos it’s pretty clear they both want their own mini-me.
Ahhh the truth comes out eventually.
1. I see nothing wrong with wanting a boy and a girl.
2. That said, for two people who want designer everything, down to their gold toilets, this does frighten me. The implication is, with enough money, one can purchase designer embryos, complete with particular “desirable” characteristics.
Apparently, in western countries which allow it, the vast majority of couples that pursue gender selection are seeking to have a baby girl. We are throwing away the boys! Sure, in India and China they want a boy but in the US it is usually a girl. Mothers think that they are going to be doing most of the heavy lifting in the whole having/raising kids and they want a little girl that they can share interests with and hopefully have a close, intimate, female bestie type of relationship later on. The stereotype is that boys are all about soccer, noise, dirt and then they grow up and get married and forget about you.
My friends with sons but no daughters get extremely upset by how sad everyone is for them and bristle at “poor you” comments from friends/relatives.
That is depressing to read. I think it used to be the other way around, broadly speaking – that people wanted boys more in the US. I believe I’ve also read that little girls get adopted more than little boys.
I am also quite sure that I’ve read not too long ago that relationships and/or marriages were more likely to last – the man was less likely to leave – if the woman had a son, not a daughter. That is also pretty depressing.
The ‘male heir’ thing is ridiculous.
But I have been thinking about this whole ‘choosing gender’ and getting pregnant via IVF thing for a few years, thinking there must be celebrities / rich people doing this. Look at some of the celebrities having children in their 40’s, and also twins that are a boy and a girl. I think it’s definitely possible that they had some more control over that, that money bought. (And I’m only saying that because it’s medically proven to be more difficult to conceive after a certain age, not to say women shouldn’t.)
If I had the money, I’d have considered paying to do that. All in one shot, instant family. We tried for over 2 years, after 2 miscarriages and now have a beautiful 4 yr old boy. I would love to have a little girl to complete our family… but because it took so long, I fear I’m beyond the point of having another now, due to my age, and the risks that come with that and other health issues… We planned to have two, but sadly, I just don’t think it’s in the cards..
This makes me physically ill. There are so many people who want one baby, any baby and these narcissistic dipshits engineer the sex of theirs. It is gross and distasteful to me. If this is true, these people are totally nutso insane. I don’t care if you “always wanted” a boy and a girl, or two girls and a boy etc etc.. It’s not right. It’s just not right to destroy female embryos just because they are girls. Puke puuuuuuke puke
They are revolting. I never believed the infertility story anyway, thanks to the stories of women who’d actually gone through it.
Unless one is gender-selecting for health reasons somehow – like some abnormality that only shows up in males or females in your family or along those lines – I think it’s completely revolting to insist on a boy or on a girl. Anyone who is lucky enough to get a healthy child ought to just rejoice in that fact.
Agreed. Be blessed and grateful for your baby. Whether it’s god or fate or random luck. It’s not up to us to decide. It’s ok to want and hope for a girl or boy, but choosing your babies gender seems against nature.
As a woman, I only want girl baby, since I really really don’t like boy babies, so I don’t see anything wrong with wanting a boy either. It’s disgusting if the male is valued more than the female however.
I don’t see an issue with this. I like in the UK where you cannot select the gender during IVF. It’s not an option. I’m actually expecting my first (naturally conceived) baby at the moment and he’s a boy. I have always wanted a girl though, especially as I’m close to my niece. If I’m lucky enough to conceive again I would definitely want to have a girl and if I could choose the gender I would. I don’t think that’s wrong. A healthy baby is the first consideration but beyond that, I think you are allowed to have a preference. I will be pracitising the Shettles method next time! That doesn’t mean I’m going to love my son any the less. It does mean if I had two children and they were both boys, I would have to think long and hard about if we could support a third to give me another chance at having a girl. So if I could choose and eliminate that uncertainty I would.
I´m surprised. Where was the outrage when Ricky Martin openly admitted he told the doctors to terminate all the female embryos so the surrogate will only give birth to his sons?
1. They definitely faked fertility problems so they could get sympathy for the IVF they chose to do for gender selection. Think about it…many women don’t even OVULATE for up to a year after giving birth which is perfectly normal. So let’s say she didn’t get her period until at least 6 months after giving birth. Their kids are going to be 2 years apart…give me a break. There was no years long struggle to conceive. They jumped straight to IVF without giving nature a chance.
2. I used to be against gender selection (and it is illegal here). However, I have changed my mind. If a couple thinks girls are so AWFUL that they would actually terminate a perfectly healthy pregnancy….then do we really want them to be raising a daughter? WHy?!? So they can raise her to feel bad about herself her whole life or worse experience abuse? Wouldn’t it be better just to let these cultures gender select themselves into extinction?