Daily Beast: The Middletons ‘were always thought of as being incredibly boring’

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By the looks of it, Pippa Middleton finally “caught” an eligible man who is “terribly rich” and “terribly into her.” The guy is James Matthews, and the rollout on this guy is very, very interesting and very telling. For the past five years or so, Pippa has dated men who don’t necessarily want to be seen with her, lest the press go over their lives with a fine-toothed comb. I thought Nico Jackson was the exception, but he high-tailed it to Switzerland more than a year ago, and their relationship fell apart after a long, drawn-out drama, one which involved Pippa spending the night at James Matthews’ home before the Nico split was announced.

Word is, Pippa and James are moving pretty quickly. They’ve known each other for years and even dated briefly a few years ago, but sources claim they’re already living together. As I said, the rollout has been interesting. Over the weekend, the Daily Mail had a piece about James and his “toxic bachelor” brother – go here to read. The gist is that the Middletons are willing to overlook James’ reality star brother if it means marrying off Pippa. Further evidence that the Middletons approve? Carole Middleton chaperoned a dinner date between Pippa and James last week. Which led me to this amazing piece in the Daily Beast, all about how Carole is forever a Helicopter Mom.

…It might seem rather odd that, like a Victorian chaperone, Pippa’s mum came along too. To Carole and Pippa, it probably seemed entirely normal. As James is no doubt finding out, you may think you are just dating one of the Middleton girls—actually, you are dating the whole damn clan.

“The Middletons like to do things together; this is not a family to marry into if you don’t like party games,” says one acquaintance of the family, “Carole’s seal of approval is an important part of any relationship her children might be involved in.”

It is not hard to see how the easy, comfortable closeness of the Middleton clan, dominated by Carole, must have seemed a far more attractive paradigm to the young Prince William than the brutal game of he-said she-said undertaken by Charles and Diana. William is said to jokingly call Kate and Pippa’s father Michael ‘dad’.

Acquaintances say that growing up, Carole ruled the family with, if not a rod of iron, a clear sense of what was and was not acceptable.

“They were always thought of as being incredibly boring,” says one acquaintance who knew the family when the children attended Marlborough school, who also suggests that Carole’s long had a reputation as something of a ‘helicopter mom’: “Carole always made sure they had the right books, and that their pencils were sharpened.”

In a sign that the relationship may be moving on, Matthews, 40, has submitted plans for a first-floor extension to his London property, seeking to build a bathroom above the kitchen, with the blueprints showing a ‘vanity basin’ complete with his and hers sinks. Maybe he should think about adding a granny flat too.

[From The Daily Beast]

I understand the appeal of a close-knit family, I really do. And the Middletons’ closeness must feel so exotic to William after the toxic relationships within his own family. But the helicopter-mom act is just bizarre at this point, given that all of Carole’s children are over the age of 28. Kate still goes home to mummy whenever she can, and Carole moved in with Kate and William for months last year just to run the household. And the PR blitz around Pippa’s new boyfriend has the vibe of old-school Middleton PR shenanigans, and I suspect that Carole is trying to make sure that Pippa locks this one down. My point? The helicopter-mum routine has morphed into something that seems more controlling and Machiavellian. And dare I say? Kris Jenner-esque.

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  1. Jackie Jormp Jomp says:

    That Middleton brother seems like such a goober, but I would. I’m ashamed to admit that I so would.

  2. Maum says:

    Marlborough is the least helicopter- parent school possible. If the story is true I feel quite sorry for the Middleton girls,

  3. Mrs Dragon says:

    Close-knit families are wonderful but the Middletons kids all seem to be heavily dependent on Mom and incapable of striking their own paths despite their privilege. It speaks volumes about the parents. It’s great that Carole ensured they had the ‘right’ books and sharp pencils but too bad she taught neither of them to be adults. And its amazing that none of the articles ever even point a finger at Dad Michael.

    • Well ... says:

      It’s all the more surprising when you consider that Carole is an excellent, savvy businesswoman. James’ ‘businesses’, on the other hand, are spectacular failures, whilst Pippa has hustle but can’t seem to follow through (e.g. ‘Celebrate’, her short-lived career as Waitrose columnist, the US presenter gig that fell apart, etc). Kate did nothing except some light ‘accessory sourcing’ for Jigsaw until she got the ring.

      +100 on the point about Michael. Whatever you say about Carol, there are two parents here, and to suggest that she steamrollered him in every aspect speaks just as many volumes about his skill as a parent.

      • hmmm says:

        Yes, I don’t understand the sympathy for Michael. He raised his kids too and shares the same family values. Why does he endlessly get a pass or is portrayed as unflatteringly whipped?

      • suze says:

        Oh, Michael Middleton bears responsibility for the raising of his family, too, but it’s interesting that recently he has all but disappeared from the narrative. Maybe he and Carole are separated, maybe they have an agreement where he can do what he wants most of the time and Carole will draw the press attention, or there is something else going on. Whatever it is, it’s not typical middle class family behavior.

        The more the press yammers on about the normal happy Middleton family, the weirder they become in my eyes.

        I come from a close, happy middle class family and we aren’t remotely like this.

    • justme says:

      Not that I disagree in any way with what you are saying, but Pippa does still work for Waitrose. She now has a column in Waitrose Weekend called “Mind and Body”.

      • Tourmaline says:

        Are they any good? I have read her articles in Vanity Fair—horribly dull—and the ones she has written for Hello! about her Kenyan marathon, swim race in Turkey, etc. The accounts in Hello that she has written with details of her sports endeavors were surprisingly entertaining and vividly written.

      • Shaz says:

        Then I wonder who wrote them for her.

      • Tourmaline says:

        Maybe Carole!

    • NUTBALLS says:

      There’s a big difference between close-knit and co-dependent, but they can look similar initially.

    • ladysussex says:

      Could it be possible that CM came to dinner because the new bf and Pippa’s mum are just trying to get to know each other? I mean, when I start to get serious with someone, my mum wants to get to know them, too. It’s really not that unusual to invite a parent to dine with your potential husband, is it?

      • TessD says:

        I agree – she has known him for years, they even dated before so it makes perfect sense she wants to introduce him to her parents. Maybe Michael was invited but simply couldn’t come.

      • LAK says:

        Pippa seems to introduce her BFs very early to her mother. Nico and James went on the caribbean family holiday within weeks of dating Pippa.

        CB mentions this particular dinner, but Carole has been papped chaperoning Pippa and James on 4 times since his inclusion in the family holiday in August.

        Donna has yet to be papped with Carole at any time during her years+ relationship with James. And Nico was papped with Carole only one time – that one family holiday.

      • Betti says:

        ^ I find it off that Donna has yet to be ‘seen’ officially with his family, i know she has been to events when Pippa was there but I wonder if she has actually met Kate or his parents? Donna is an ambitious social climber just like Carole but it seems that Carole either has little interest in who James dates or is happy that someone is prepared to beard for him, considering the rumours which have been about for years.

        Donna may not be wealthy (she has no career now and is supported by her fabulously ex and father of her daughter Damian Aspinall) but she is well connected – friends with Stella McCartney to name one celeb in her circle. I would think Carole would be all over them.

      • Citresse says:

        No ladysussex it’s not that unusual but it starts to be unusual when Carole starts choosing their decor and bedroom candles.

      • Charlotte15 says:

        Really, Donna has never been photographed with the family? Even though she’s been dating James for, what, a few years now? That is interesting indeed.

  4. Margo S. says:

    Ewww.

  5. Sixer says:

    Is the brother the one who was chucked off that ‘orrible jungle show that the Sixlets made me watch? For some drugs shenanigans or other?

    If so, I agree, Kaiser. We are descending into Kardashian territory. Ha. I hope so. Most amusing. Imagine the Daily Fail articles about who gets supper at Sandringham over Christmas!

    • suze says:

      I love that the piece says that they are “easy, comfortable close family” and then goes on to describe anything but.

      • Sixer says:

        I think Bucket Syndrome rules the roost in that family, don’t you?

      • suze says:

        Bucket Syndrome is mama and pappa, for sure.

      • Amelia says:

        Off-topic, but did Hyacinth and Richard’s son ever actually make an appearance in KUA?
        Beyond asking for money on the phone, I mean.

      • Trek Girl says:

        @Amelia: We do see Sheridan (sp?) briefly one time: the back of his head and shoulders, and maybe even his hand if he waved back to his mother, are shown as he is being driven away in a taxi after a visit with his parents.

      • antipodean says:

        @Amelia, I don’t think “Sheridan, Darling”, ever actually showed his face, but I do remember he was good at needlepoint, which he had learned at Mummy’s knee. He was always after a cheque from Daddy, for his newest “friend”.

      • Dena says:

        But what I really want to know is this . . . Is Sheridan still with Tarquin? Or have they broken up?

    • BGirl81 says:

      Ohmygod, Sheridan, Tarquin and their pearl button collection forever!!

      The brother is Spencer Matthews from Made In Chelsea and it’s a goshdarn tragedy/should have been an international incident that we didn’t get any episodes after Season 1 in the US.

      Ring Hyacinth, she’ll know what to do!

  6. Lisa says:

    I think of Carole and PMK is being the opposite sides of the same coin – always controlling things behind the scenes, using PR to put themselves in the best possible light while controlling their children/ families with an iron fist. Carole though likes to think of herself as better than us mere plebs with status being her goal while PMK doesn’t care about anything but the bucks. You wouldn’t want to cross either of them face to face if you threaten their facades. They are both toxic and bad for their kids, laughable as parents, and when they’re both gone their houses will tumble down.

  7. India says:

    In many circles of the UK, this woman is referred to as The Viper.

    • Citresse says:

      How many single men dating Pippa? (and perhaps James too) would put up with that especially single men with much bigger coin. William alienated much of Europe by marrying a Middleton.

    • bluhare says:

      Do you mean the royal forums? Those are the only places I’ve seen her referred to that way.

  8. FLORC says:

    Carole is a momager. Just in a different sense.
    In this way I feel a bit sorry for those kids. Because they are kids in adult bodies. Never truly being on their own. Never relying on themselves without a parental safety net.
    It’s 1 thing to go out and have your parents there for you when you fall. It’s another to barely try and expect your parents to take care of it all. As a result you never improve, never change, never grow.
    This behavior by a parent is also dooming your children to fail. You become their world and to survive without you is something never learned. Not in a mother way, but in a survival way.

    It’s IMO the role of family to prepare you for the day they are gone with love and support. Not to cater and serve.
    This will only hinder more than help while serving more to the parent that can’t let go.

    And i’m NOT saying a daughter or son can’t want or be close to their parents so let’s not start that.

    • Susan says:

      Agree 100 percent FLORC. I also think it reiterates the point of view that Kate is crumbling under the pressures of her royal life. She wasn’t taught the coping skills and given “big girl pants” to handle things like speech making and REAL WORK, she was just pushed along by her momager and is now a lost ball in high weeds.

      • Jib says:

        Where ARE Kate and Wills recently? Odd that no one ever knows where the future king is. I’m thinking Mustique.

    • Savina says:

      FLORC. Nicely stated. I always tell my friends that my kids are a part of my life, not my life. When you cross that line it’s psychologically not good for parent and child.

    • Montréalaise says:

      I’ve known several families like that, and it’s disastrous for the “kids” (who are actually in their 20s, 30s and even older) – they’re as helpless as a turtle on its back. They’ve never learned from their mistakes, never learned to make good decisions, because every time they’ve made a bad choice, Mommy and/or Daddy has rushed to the rescue, check book in hand.

      • Christin says:

        I’ve seen similar situations, and turtle on its back is a good description. It usually does not get better. The 20-something just gets older.

        Quite a few divorces arise from these overbearing situations as well.

  9. GoodNamesAllTaken says:

    “Carole always made sure they had the right books, and that their pencils were sharpened.”

    Wow, that’s quite an indictment.

    • Sixer says:

      I took that as a snidey, snobby comment about the Middleton girls being day pupils rather than boarders?

      • Goats on the Roof says:

        Wow, really? That’s a thing people get snobby about in the UK? I think there’s plenty to criticize the Middletons for, but that seems a little extreme.

      • Well ... says:

        In upper class circles such as the ones the Middletons were trying to integrate with, there can be a lot of snobbery about day pupils versus boarders. The implication is that your parents couldn’t afford to send you to live full-time at the best schools, and so you had to stick it as a day pupil at the best one closest to you. With the Middletons’ very middle class background, I wouldn’t be surprised if they were a target for that kind of class-based sniping.

      • Sixer says:

        People are snobby about everything in the UK! Always remember that posh is a relative term! I suppose, actually, it says something that that is where my mind went, right?

        But as Well… says, Carole would only have been in a position to “sharpen” pencils because her kids went home in the evenings. Part of the ethos of most boarding schools in the UK is to prize and teach independence. I can seriously imagine this being a snotty remark about day pupils.

      • GoodNamesAllTaken says:

        Oh, ok. That went over my head.

      • LAK says:

        Sixer: Me too.

      • Goats on the Roof says:

        So it’s not enough to be educated at a good school, you have to sleep there too? How shitty.

      • bluhare says:

        But they weren’t day at Marlborough, though, were they? I thought that they were day at the one before that.

      • LAK says:

        Goats on the roof: Snobbery aside, it’s never good for kids to attend a boarding school as day pupils. they miss out on so much that happens out of school hours and the bonding. The boarders don’t mean to isolate the day pupils, but it happens because the day pupils aren’t around to make their presence felt or to take part in those after school activities and bonding sessions.

      • suze says:

        I thought the MIddleton kids were boarders. At least at some point. Isn’t that just what is done in the circles they were striving for?

        Oh, I am having a great nostalgic moment. Remember after George’s birth when WillKat’s press was really pressing the “just like us” image? There was even some talk about never sending their children to boarding school. There were several people commenting here at the time who sincerely believed that.

        I remember having a spirited discussion about it. Of course George and Charlotte are going to be boarders at some well established boarding school, I am sure Kate and Will have never considered any other way.

      • Sixer says:

        I don’t know if they were boarders or not – it’s just where my mind went, bluhare!

        *goes off cringing*

      • FLORC says:

        Wasn’t the story claiming Kate was bullied happen at a boarding school? Leaving the school to prove Kate was only ever day school and they take that bully accusation extremely seriously?
        That stuff was left on her bed, but in reality she had no bed so the whole story fell apart.

      • Betti says:

        @ FLORC – yes it was when she was at Downes and was given as the reason she moved to Marlborough (or was it the other way around). The real reason she moved to Marlborough was because thats where a lot of the upper classes sent their daughters – it was considered ‘better’ than Downes which is also another upper class girls school. Wasn’t she a day student at both schools? I know there were stories Carole used to turn up with cakes and bags of sweets for them etc..

      • bluhare says:

        Sixers never cringe!! I think my day may now be ruined. RUINED!!!

      • Sixer says:

        I cringed for t.fanty only yesterday! I had an anti-classism rant on the Hiddleston thread but did not win the support of a majority of dragonflies. Managed to discomfort her in the process so did my best cringe.

        I made split pea soup for dinner. (This is in line with my New Year resolution to eat more vegan food). The Sixlets said, “Where is the cheese in our rolls? This will not do.” I. Did. Not. Cringe. Huzzah!

      • my3cents says:

        Question to the Brits among us, how popular are boarding schools nowadays?
        I think I would have a very hard time (emotionally) sending my children even if money was not an issue.
        I read somewhere that they were thinking of sending George when he was older (6,7?) that seems so young to me…it would be so hard for me to send a child that young.

      • Sixer says:

        my3cents

        Only 7% of UK kids are educated privately. Some of those will be at day schools but I don’t know the proportion. But probably fewer than 1 in 20 kids board.

        But it’s not about emotions. It’s about buying entry into elite unis and then into elite jobs. And about forming social networks that will oil the wheels of your elite jobs.

      • my3cents says:

        Thanks sixer!
        At the end of the day I think it just leads to family alienation…maybe this is what’s at the root of all the those elite super wealthy dysfunctional families…

      • PennyLane says:

        But, but if the children boarded and learned how to handle their own lives, how could she keep them all helplessly dependent on her?

      • bluhare says:

        Sixers make dignified exits when they have roiled the waters. They absolutely do NOT cringe! My entire outlook on life has shifted now. 😀

      • LAK says:

        My3cents: A dysfunctional family will always be dysfunctional whether you keep the kids at home or not.

        Boarding school simply accelerates the kids’ independence because they learn to detach a lot sooner than those that didn’t go away.

        Unlike the days of our parents and beyond, you maintain familial bonds, so it’s not as if you are sending them off never to be seen until the holidays.

      • NUTBALLS says:

        Sixer, I appreciate every damn one of your informative comments… rant away! Glad you can bring balance to the PuddleTom posts. Some just can’t bear to hear criticism of their much adored man, but I think the need for a more global and objective perspective trumps that particular sensitivity.

    • Goats on the Roof says:

      I know, right?! Anyone else and we’d say that’s what a caring mother does for school-age children, but Carole? Flame her!

      • Mrs Dragon says:

        I think it was meant to highlight that rather than being merely caring, Carole has been an overbearing parent and that trait never faded Since another quote states ‘every relationship needs Carole’s seal of approval’. So ..from sharpening their pencils to running their (or Kate’s) household – Mom is running the show!

    • cannibell says:

      Yeah, that one struck me as an odd way of slagging someone too. In fact, if that’s the definition of a helicopter mom, color me guilty. (If only I had the bank account to match the Middleton’s….that I would definitely *not* mind!)

      • suze says:

        By that definition almost any mother is a helicopter mother, frankly.

        I think that sentence is alluding to something else.

      • LAK says:

        Suze: definitely alluding to something else.

      • Sixer says:

        It *has* to be some dig or other about gauche middle class mothers not leaving the raising of their children to the school, where it belongs, right?

      • LAK says:

        Sixer: stop reading my mind!!!! LOL.

        These types of digs are very much about that.

        I’m always reminded of Alan Clarke’s dig about Jeffrey Archer buying his own furniture as opposed to inheriting it.

      • Sixer says:

        Oh, LAK, yes to Clarke and Archer. That’s the perfect illustration.

      • Bridget says:

        If it’s a dig about Carol, you can guarantee its going to be about her being middle class.

      • Charlotte15 says:

        I am learning so much in this thread and enjoying every minute of it!

        We Americans have our issues FOR SURE, but I have always been glad that the class snobbery isn’t *quite* as rigid as it seems to be in Britain.

    • Citresse says:

      Sharp pencils = Rod Stewart in the UK does it not?

    • notasugarhere says:

      In earlier stories, it was couched in terms of her making sure they always had the most expensive, trendy, aristo-approved brands possible. If the upper class had it, she would buy it. All the clothes, brand new and obvious. The tennis equipment, shiny and new, showing off the money kind of thing. By doing that, she made them stick out even more as nouveau riche.

      • Citresse says:

        Just thinking of WILSON brand tennis rackets available in UK at special prices notasugarhere.

      • Anne says:

        I understand criticizing her, but – assuming these stories are true – I suppose she felt it was what was best for her children. Carole herself has roots outside the upper class, right? It makes sense that she’d be sensitive to class difference. Imagine being surrounded by the degree of snobbery described here – of course you’d defend against it. Am I the only one who thinks this way?

  10. Kate says:

    She’s worse than Kris Jenner. Jenner created monsters who can hustle all on their own. Middleton created losers who need mummy to do everything for them. If you’re going to go all Machivellian mastermind on your kids, ending up with one who’s greatest achievement is printing pictures on marshmallows no one wants is inexcusable.

    • Mrs Dragon says:

      Your name makes your comment on Carole sound even more awesome! Imagine Kate Middleton saying this 🙂

  11. Ickythump says:

    Wow, hopefully for her sake he isn’t a thing like Spencer. Although from the sounds of what’s mentioned in Spencer’s autobiography, it seems he probably is.

    • Cee says:

      I need more on this. Who’s Spencer and what is he like?

      • Cee says:

        Well, everyone has an obscure family member. It’s not as if the Middletons are so pure and perfect. What’s Uncle Gary been up to?

        I don’t understand why the press (and maybe even the Middletons) treat Pippa as almost-expired-goods. It’s rude.

      • LAK says:

        Cee: the Middletons started this narrative about what was important to them and what they aspired their off-spring to have. Jane Austen-esque emphasis on good marriages making the woman as opposed to other areas being equally important or complimenting each other. it’s a natural progression of Carole’s social climbing.

        And when you make these two things obvious, the press will treat you at your own estimation. Plus if you are going to play the marriage game as the only means of getting on/acquiring wealth, age is a very important factor particularly for the females.

        Bearing in mind the family’s aspirations and how they’ve gone about it, Pippa is getting on.

        It’s rude to the rest of us, but the rest of us aren’t using marriage as the means to get on.

      • Tourmaline says:

        For the question of where Kate’s uncle Gary is, he has a very active twitter account where he tweets constantly–just checked and his last one was about a strange dream he had last night.
        For realz.

  12. Talie says:

    For this guy with the reality show brother, it won’t take much convincing. Being with the sister of the future Queen is a major come-up for him. In this case, for once, I think Pippa is in the driver seat.

  13. Citresse says:

    Carole Middleton is a far more controlling “momager” than Kris Jenner will ever be.
    Case in point: Carole wouldn’t be laughing and partying down in St. Bart’s if her son James was feeling quite ill in hospital with a diabetes diagnosis.

  14. aaa says:

    I don’t think all the anecdotes represented are true – perhaps Carol moved in for a few months but there were not multiple independent reports that happened, rather something that originated in a tabloid was repeated.

    I do think that Carole is a helicopter mom, it is what it is, and in the case of those who marry in to the Middleton family, even heirs to the British throne, they know what they are getting into and obviously accept it, if not welcome it.

  15. India says:

    Kate is incapable of functioning without her mama. Her marriage wouldn’t survive unless Carole is there to run the show. Carole knows how to keep William contained and happy.

  16. Snappyfish says:

    You know if every move I made & every outfit I wore & every event I attended or didn’t was as finely scrutinized as The DOC is I would want to go home to my Mom & put on sweatpants & binge watch Netflix every now & then. I think Carole is probably overbearing at times but for the most point she is no different than all the helicopter mothers or Tiger mothers. She is just playing on a bigger scale. Imagine how you might feel if your child’s Grandmother in law (is that such a thing?) is The Queen.

    • Mrs Dragon says:

      Hypothetically if it were me, I would rather my kid(s) have a spectacular career to make me proud of being the said helicopter lol. And because my kid would have this awesome career, the press will talk about her work apart from praising/critiquing her outfits (which by the way ALL royal ladies around the world face – Queen Letizia has battled horrible press throughout her marriage) . I would also teach my kid to learn to deliver better speeches if thats a part of her job and to not focus on hair twirling.
      And as for the grandmother-in-law being the queen..it would not matter to me as Monarchy is an absurd concept in this day and age but I would certainly hate my son-in-law being such an empty-headed underchiever, title not withstanding.
      Since Carole has failed at all of the above, she is basically a social climber extraordinaire and not necessarily a helicopter mom.

    • anne_000 says:

      If Kate doesn’t want to be discussed for only her outfits and her hair, then she should show the public another side of her. Like… what she is interested in, and I mean something that involves something of benefit to other people, not something that is self-indulgent and vain.

      If one says ‘children’s mental health,’ then actually study up on the subject instead of irresponsibly saying in one of her very rare speeches that if you come from a family with attentive parents and teachers, then you won’t get a mental illness and can be normal like her. *Cough* Or instead of having your PR say that most of her work and study of the subject is done in private, prove it by showing it.

      There are other women in royal circles of numerous countries that are known for more than just their looks. They actually work and whenever you see or hear about them, it’s usually because they’ve attended some sort of work event.

      They wouldn’t show up to something like a 100 Women in Hedge Fund charity event in a showy, 1970s, clownish dress with a mega-big hair-do, because they know it’s about paying respect to the work of others and the benefits to others.

      So instead of treating such events as only self-glorifying photo ops, they’ll show up in appropriate outfits and give well-informed speeches and then do follow-up PR for the organization.

      And they show up to work more than a few times per year and they don’t use every excuse possible to get out of work. Because after all, the whole point of these work events are to promote the charities, not oneself, right? Or does that not compute with Kate?

      • Anne says:

        I agree that Kate should be encouraged to do more, but I think the tabloid press will invariably focus primarily on the silly details of her life and appearance – it’s how they make money off of her.

    • Charlotte15 says:

      @Snappyfish, I tend to agree. I don’t think the fact that “other royals also endure such scrutiny” should negate the fact that Kate could likely be feeling extremely overwhelmed at times and just want the comfort of her mother.

      How she got where she is today and the role that her mother played in that – well, that’s a different conversation. But the bottom line is that she is where she is, and she is now tied to William for life and will be the subject of unending media coverage for life. That has got to be a lot to wrap your brain around sometimes, even for her and even after all of this time, and I would probably also want to curl up in the fetal position with my mom if I were in her place!

  17. Sarah says:

    I think there’s more to Carole moving in with Normal Bill and Kate than meets the eye. There were reports that Carole & her husband were on the outs – I suspect there was something like a trial separation going on – and what better cover than her daughter struggling to balance motherhood, running a household and “work”?

    • Tiffany says:

      +1 Sarah. I think they have been seperated even longer and were living under the same roof and it hit the fan and Carole left.

    • FLORC says:

      I’m not thinking this has happened.
      Michael is the quiet one so we’re less aware of his stance on… anything. He doesn’t chase or plant stories. He’s just existing without fanfare.
      since we’re not aware of his locations and so many narratives are about Carole we assume he’s not there. If we look closer Michael is often in the back not drawing attention. Because he doesn’t have his locations broadcasted doesn’t mean he’s not around with his family and wife.

      Michael is like William in the christmas card. He’s cut out of pictures and left out of stories. Maybe he likes it that way.

      • 40winks says:

        And you forgot “IMO” as it is an opinion and not fact.

      • FLORC says:

        Haha not “IMO” but In no way did I state this as if it was fact.
        “I”m not thinking this…” And then moving forward to state observations.
        If that’s not enough I will start posting IMO for just you.

      • Charlotte15 says:

        I would love to get inside Michael Middleton’s head, if only for five minutes. That man knows EVERYTHING about what makes all of these people tick – all of the motivations that we can only speculate about.

        He is one of the most interesting players here, to me- he *mostly* acts like he’s not very fond of the attention, but if that were the case, would his family be where they are right now? Would he have allowed it to go this far if some part of him didn’t enjoy it, or did Carole just steamroll over his opinions for four decades, and before he knew it, his family’s private lives were making headlines?

        I don’t know, but I find the whole dynamic very intriguing. (Especially if they are “secretly” separated. Maybe he finally reached his limit with Carole? Will we ever know??)

    • Betti says:

      From what i can recall he also spent a lot of time at the beginning at Amner after George was born but after a few months went back home as someone need to run the business which is when the separation rumours started – Carole stayed on longer (and still seems to spend a lot of time there). She is often seen at Amner out and about with the kids or London (shopping down Kings Road or playing third wheel on her daughters dates). Mike’s always come across as the media shy one of the family.

      *sigh* – the media (via #poorjason) are really trying to push the profile of this lot hard. Guess the married ins of 2 future Kings need that profile to justify themselves.

      • suze says:

        I don’t know. They could just retreat and live private lives. Diana’s mother and father certainly did, as did her sisters (even though one was part of the royal household and the other acted as her lady in waiting at times). Still, they stayed out of the press for the most part.

        Her brother, of course, was a different story.

        I don’t think the Middletons need to be high profile. I think they want to be.

      • antipodean says:

        For scandalous in-laws, you could never beat Champagne Charlie. His multitude of gaffs and infidelities would fill many a broadsheet, and have! And, now his daughters are doing the same! Family, eh? Who’d ‘ave ’em?

  18. lowercaselois says:

    Maybe I have watched to many Jane Austen movies, but the Middletons seem like they came right out of Pride and Prejudice. I mean Carole Middleton sounds like Mrs. Bennet.

    • Mrs Dragon says:

      LOL. Too bad not a single daughter is like Jane or Elizabeth and none of the men in their lives are Darcy for sure!!

    • Jaded says:

      Love it!! Pippa would certainly be Lydia, Michael seems like Mr. Bennet, Kate is like Elizabeth’s friend Charlotte who married the pompous curate Mr. Collins. Now James…he comes off more like Mr. Wickham, a lazy failure at everything he tries.

      • antipodean says:

        I always saw Mr Wickham as a dastardly roue, a bit of a villain if you will. I think J/Midd is a bit too much of a milquetoast to be in the same league. JMO.

    • Canadian Becks says:

      “It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of a good fortune, must be in want of a wife.”

      One of THE BEST opening lines in any novel!

      • bluhare says:

        It is, although I love the worst one:

        It was a dark and stormy night; the rain fell in torrents — except at occasional intervals, when it was checked by a violent gust of wind which swept up the streets (for it is in London that our scene lies), rattling along the housetops, and fiercely agitating the scanty flame of the lamps that struggled against the darkness.

        I check out that contest every year. http://www.bulwer-lytton.com/

      • Jaded says:

        I believe there are some P.G. Wodehouse fans on Celebitchy so here’s one for you:

        “Into the face of the young man who sat on the terrace of the Hotel Magnifique at Cannes there had crept a look of furtive shame, the shifty, hangdog look which announces that an Englishman is about to talk French.”

        From “The Luck of the Bodkins”

      • Canadian Becks says:

        bluhare, darn you! I just spent the last hour reading that bulwer-Lytton link. Thanks a lot!

        And P.G. Wodehouse?
        Current mood : highly amused.

      • bluhare says:

        That PG Wodehouse is brilliant. I’m still smiling! And really wanting to speak French. 🙂

        As far as the Bulwer-Lytton contest, last year’s winner is amazing. I loved that one!

  19. TessD says:

    I think there’s a difference between having a crazy helicopter mom and having a mom who’s opinion you value and whose company you enjoy. I think Carole should be commanded for having created such a close-knit family and raised her children to love being with their siblings and parents. That’s not an easy thing to pull off.

    • suze says:

      Everyone in the family should be commended if they like each other’s company so much, right? Carole isn’t the only member. It’s not a coup she pulled off single handedly. She may have been a driving force, but she had a husband who helped make the family atmosphere such that the kids wanted to stick around and she had kids who decided to be compliant.

      I think Carole is fine. She’s worked hard at her business and she succeeded in her main goal in life, which was raising her family’s station. She takes a lot of guff from the press, but I honestly think she likes the limelight and doesn’t really care if the attention is negative or positive. I dig the tough old bird that she is. Go Carole – may you bring us many years of good gossip and speculation.

      • Dena says:

        I don’t have a problem with Carole, in general (and Mike by extension). I admire that she knew what she wanted for herself and her kids and that she pursued it. By all accounts, she’s been successful. Her kids have made a huge class leap in such a way that it’s placed her grand kids and their kids (if fortune holds) onto a whole new path and trajectory. She has, in effect, changed the shape of the river. I am not and cannot be mad at her for that. I salute her as one ambition woman to the next.

        But, but, but . . . the problem is that her children don’t seem to be functional without her force of will (and Michael’s by extension). Perhaps given the situation or the environments she prepped them to enter they don’t or won’t need it. I don’t know. Wealth will protect them in places where character, emotional maturity and self-sufficiency should. In Kate’s case, she won’t travel too far afield from William, where his rank will protect her and the children. Pippa will likely have it much easier, where the backgrounds and traits of the nouveau riche are similar to her own. Not sure about James. His being a male is a bit trickier. All in all, It will be very interesting to be able to watch the next generation of Middletons.

      • TessD says:

        “” but she had a husband who helped make the family atmosphere” – won’t argue with that.
        And the second paragraph as well – I like Carole. If I had accomplished what she had I’d probably be one very happy lady.

      • suze says:

        Oh, Dena, I love the expression “changed the course of the river.” That is why I have a grudging admiration for her.

        The paths of the children, and particularly the grandchildren, of Pippa/James and Kate will diverge a lot. It’s possible that the children and grandchildren of Pippa and James will be rich, but they will get further and further from royalty with every generation, while Kate’s children, particularly George, will be in the history books. So it’s a shame Pips and James don’t seem to have the characteristics of Carole -her toughness, her commitment and her ability to work hard – to pass down to their kids. They may need it.

      • Tessd says:

        @suze ” It’s possible that the children and grandchildren of Pippa and James will be rich, but they will get further and further from royalty with every generation, while Kate’s children, particularly George, will be in the history books. ”

        – why would they want to be “in the history books” more than just living the life of the riches?

      • Dena says:

        Not answering for Suze but, in some ways, George’s fate is sealed. Parts of his future are already written. He is in the books. He and the will of the people, to a large degree, will have to fill in the blanks and work out the details. He has nothing to lose yet everything to lose.

        Carole’s grand kids (and even their kids) via Pippa & James aren’t attached to a great European house and don’t have or won’t have decades and centuries of inherited and generational wealth and breeding at their backs like George. Can they hold on to it? Will they know how? Will they endure over time? Hence, they aren’t in the books yet.

        Suze, I loved your insights. Wasn’t thinking about how the paths of each successive generation of Pippa’s & James’ children would move away from their royal connection.

        As an aside, while Pippa is of an age to start thinking more seriously about marriage, a part of me has wondered if part of her (Carole’s) thought process is to hurry and have children so that they would be of age with George & Charlotte for coattail riding purposes.

      • suze says:

        Dena – I agree Pippa probably would prefer to have her kids closer in age to Kate’s – for a couple of reasons. One the completely normal (cousins are fun to raise together) and one more ambitious (it will be advantageous socially to have the kids go through life events – school, gap year, university – in step with their royal relatives).

        Tessd – The point was more that Pipps and James offspring will have to rely on real life skills that Kate’s kids can eschew, for the most part.

  20. anne_000 says:

    If the Middleton children are boring, then that’s because it’s easier to control insipid dunderheads. Watch the movie Idiocracy.

  21. Maggie says:

    A who is this acquaintance who knows so much?
    Just because Carol went to dinner with them does not necessarily mean she was there as a chaperone. Pippa is a little old for that. Non story.

  22. Tourmaline says:

    I wonder (idly) about the relationship between Carole and Donna Air. She’s been snapped out and about with Pippa and her BF, but not with James and his GF.

    James just pings my gaydar hard.

  23. HoustonGrl says:

    Lmao at “the middletons are willing to overlook” his reality show brother. Seems more like she’s jumping at the chance to bag him and moving in faster than the speed of light. One has to ask, though, why didn’t it work out the first time?

  24. Starlight says:

    The so called toxic brother is interesting as he is in the Made in Chelsea series and they are all chosen for the parts as one is lead to believe because they are posh. So his bad boy image probably won’t matter. I would say that Pippa is feeling the ticking Clock of motherhood. As for mummy being in attendance twice in the company of the new beau where was Michael?

  25. Susan says:

    I don’t know why but that blurb from the article gave me distinctive Kardashian vibes. It seems like something that Kris Jenner does with her brood..accompanying them on what should be private dates. And the whole family closeness vibe.

  26. What's inside says:

    I am Team Carole. If the world had just a little bit of her gumption and moxy, it would be a better place or devolved into a version of Mad Max.

  27. Dinah says:

    Pippa’s an attractive woman with an outgoing personality. Why has she hooked up with a man who looks like an awkward new recruit of The Islamic State?