Shonda Rimes on her ‘stubborn’ daughters: ‘no one will ever take advantage of them’

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Good Housekeeping must have an excellent upcoming issue. On Tuesday we covered an interview with The Goldbergs’ Wendi McLendon-Covey and today we’re hearing some wisdom from prolific television producer Shonda Rhimes. Rhimes guest edited this issue, which includes The Awesome Women Awards, and she’s clearly earned her place among the other honorees. People is reporting on her comments about raising her three daughters, and she also talked about writing realistic female characters, living in the moment and tackling tough issues head on. I always enjoy Shonda’s interviews and this one is a gem.

You’re raising three daughters, ages 3 to 14, on your own. How are you encouraging them to be confident?
They couldn’t be more different from one another, but they’re all stubborn — and I mean that in the best way. No one will ever take advantage of them. They will always go their own way because they have decided they’re going to. That was definitely like me as a kid. It’s so much better than having a nice, pliable child who can be easily manipulated. I don’t want to have a nice girl. I’d rather have a stubborn girl.

Grey’s Anatomy was a breakthrough in terms of portraying strong, competitive women. Whom are they modeled after?
I keep getting asked how I write about such smart, strong women, and my response is, what’s the alternative? Weak, stupid women? They’re just normal people, not role models — if you’re aspiring to be like any of them, something’s a little bit wrong. You may want to dress like one or have her job, but do not aspire to be her!

What do you think goes into creating a happy life?
For me, it’s about living in the moment. I try never to regret things that have happened, because you can’t change the past, and I try really hard not to worry about things I have no control over. That, and forcing myself to have difficult conversations — that takes away a lot of anxiety. The time you spend avoiding the conversation, worrying about what’s going to happen when you have it — all that stuff goes away the minute you have the conversation. Now I just dive in.

How do you start a tough talk?
I literally open with “I need to have a difficult conversation with you.” If they did something, I say, “I know you ran over my cat,” or whatever it was. It’s wildly simple. Clarity is good for everybody. For better or worse, no matter how the conversation comes out, you have your answer and you’re done.

What else do you wish women knew?
I wish every awesome woman knew that the secret to life is that nobody knows anything. And nobody is better than you are. People deal with so much insecurity and spend so much time thinking, That person is better, so I couldn’t possibly try this. Yes, you can! Everybody puts themselves in little pockets and holds themselves back, but there’s no reason to. Make your own space.

[From Good Housekeeping]

I really like Shonda’s advice to just deal with things instead of put them off but of course it’s easier said than done. It’s one of those things that is simple, but not easy to do. Plus you worry that if you approach it the wrong way you’ll damage your relationship with the person. You want to think about it enough that you go into an important discussion informed and with a plan but not so much that you needlessly worry. There’s a balance there.

While I really liked the sentiment behind Shonda’s parenting philosophy, she was a bit too certain about it for my taste. She said her daughters will “always go their own way” and that “no one will ever take advantage of them.” I also believe in raising my son to question authority and be his own person but I try not to talk in absolutes about him like that. We don’t know how our kids are going to turn out and that’s what makes parenting scary. Shonda sounds fearless to me, but I read some of her memoir and it’s more like she’s worked hard to force herself to work through the fear and she did that until she mastered it. I need to take some lessons from her.

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  1. QQ says:

    Im not into her shows at all but I so very much appreciate and love her as a woman, a Mogul and a No nonsense no frills type of direct lady! Also she seems to be the nicest and hellbent on pushing that diversity on tv/media

    • Sixer says:

      Me too. I think her shows are pants. But I really like her as a person and also what she’s doing in TV, even if the shows themselves aren’t to my taste.

      • QQ says:

        Lmfao “Her Shows are Pants” is The most amazing descriptor ever!! I Love her like an auntie though!

    • Lucy2 says:

      That is exactly how I feel about her too. Even though I don’t like her shows ( for some reason I am still suffering through Scandal) I am really, really glad they’re on TV.

      I think her daughters are lucky, she is a strong role model for them and so many others.

  2. Abigail says:

    I appreciate her success and consider her a wonderful role model in many ways, but the smugness (what else can you call it) about what her daughters will and will not encounter in life is off-putting. No parent knows what life will throw at their children or what they will do about it–no matter how well raised they might be.

    • Sixer says:

      She doesn’t say that. She just says they will make their own choices.

      That chimed with me because my parents and extended family were similar. They had what Rimes describes as a “stubborn” child in me – although I’d be more inclined to describe it as something like independent-minded – and they saw it as a good thing. Not something to be ironed out so that I would come out more pliable. They gave me a clear framework of right and wrong and then left me to get on with it, even when I made decisions that weren’t the expected ones.

      • TommyGirl says:

        +1000

      • NotSoSocialButterfly says:

        Rimes is an amazing lady. Bravo (brava) to her, and her daughters, as well.

        I, too, identify with the stubbornness/ independence as a kid ( and admittedly at times, as an adult). It has served me well over the years, and am glad to say my daughter is the same. It provides a certain resilience that is so beneficial.

    • Nicole says:

      Eh my parents said the same about me because I got my stubborness from both sides. I was super willful and marched to my own beat early on. I think that’s what she’s honing in on.

    • Abigail says:

      Nah, she’s one of these people who says, “If (fill in the blank) happened to me, I would never (whatever).” Nobody can predict what they’ll do in certain situations, and people are not a failure if something bad happens.

  3. Lora says:

    I love her shows, how to get away with murdee is sooo good

  4. QueenB says:

    “no one will ever take advantage of them.”
    thats a dangerous line of thinking

    • Sam says:

      Yeah, it is. It’s setting up the frame that if you do get taken advantage of, it’s your fault for allowing it. It’s analogous to Eric Trump saying that Ivanka is too strong to be sexually harassed.

      It’s not wrong to allow yourself to be vulnerable, especially in close relationships. People who would take advantage of that are the bad ones. I can sort of see what she was going for, but this just comes off as really short-sighted. The people I’ve met who try to always “prevent” others from taking advantage are also the ones who are the most suspicious, the most closed off.

      I get that as a parent, you want to insulate your children from harm. It pains me to know that at some point, my kids will get conned, get their hearts broken, get betrayed, etc. I wish I could protect them from that, but I can’t. It’s part of life.

      • Miss S says:

        As a sensitive, introverted child who liked to please others I don’t really like what she said exactly because of what you and @QueenB wrote. It makes me feel guilty for things I was not responsible for, like somehow I allow it to happen to me.

        Even strong minded women can feel vulnerable. Her statement is a bit too much for my taste.

    • NotSoSocialButterfly says:

      I think she is simply being hopeful & optimistic, as one does regarding his/her child/-ren.

      • Red says:

        Thank you. It seems as if everyone needs a disclaimer these days, even for positive statements! If she said her kids were fearless, would she have to add a disclaimer that they may suffer from a phobia one day?

  5. Dids says:

    I’m reading her book, The Year of the Yes. I don’t like he style of writing, (She’s a tv writer and it shows. Not in a bad way of course, it’s just : i feel like she talked and someone wrote down what she was saying…) Anyway! I still like her book. I feel like I’ve heard 10 000 000 times that women should be strong and assertive. But when you are an anxious mess (like I am most of the time) you think: that’s just not for me. But Shonda gives REAL tips. Its a real How To Guide to feeling better and not to be so damn afraid all the time. Its not like a I found the Bible or anything, but I would fight violently anyone who says that this woman is smug!

  6. Melissa Melissa says:

    I haven’t warmed up to her yet but I watch her shows except Grey’s. Yet I love everything that she represents, we will always need more smart, dedicated women in a powerful position and I cannot think of any woman who is her position right now, but there’s always room for more.

    • notsoanonymous says:

      Read her book and see what you think. As mentioned above, she’s certainly a TV writer and the style is very conversational, but the substance is there. She’s far more relatable than I had expected her to be. I for one loved the book and have bought it now as a gift for other women in my life.

  7. Megan says:

    Having to be the “bad news” person in a round of company layoffs, I could not agree more about dealing with difficult conversations head on. The longer you wait, the worse it gets.

  8. Colleen says:

    “I know you ran over my cat…”

    Dying here.

    • sanders says:

      Like others, I just can’t get into most of her shows except How to get away with murder (all for Viola). I do admire her accomplishments and she somehow managed to put a lot of Black women in leading roles when others simply didn’t.

      It seems like she’s been doing a lot of work on herself recently. I’ve heard her talk about overcoming her fear of speaking in public, setting limits by being able to say no and addressing her health etc., all very difficult changes to make.

      Most of her advice is useful but I agree with others about her thoughts on her girls. It may not be her intention, but it comes off as a bit simplistic. Maybe stubborn isn’t the right word. Stubborn people can also be self focused…their way or the highway. Not a good look on men or women.

      • Sam says:

        One of my sisters is stubborn, and truthfully, it’s gotten her into more trouble than it’s helped her out. Stubborn to me means a person who is often focused on one thing – to their detriment. They can become so set on a certain outcome, or goal, or result that they do not see that it might not be possible, or advisable, or safe. Overall, I would not hope for “stubborn” children. I’d hope for children who were decisive and goal setters, but not stubborn.

      • sanders says:

        Yes Sam, I’d also add tenacious and reslient.

  9. LooseSeal says:

    I swear I audibly screamed “YAS QUEEN!” at the end of every sentence. Especially when she talked about wanting everyone to know that nobody has any clue what they’re doing ever. The moment that dawned on me I became such a better person to both myself and others. I let myself off the hook for being totally and constantly clueless and let myself learn, and I became more empathetic to others’ frustrations in situations.

    Also, “I know you ran over my cat.” 😂😂😂 DEAD