Zendaya was cast as Mary-Jane in ‘Spider-Man’ & dumb racists are pretty mad

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Some days, it feels like everyone in the world has a problem with Zendaya. For such a young woman – she’s just 19 years old – it seems like she can’t go one month without some stupid idiot trying to start a beef with her. Some of the crap is just flat-out racist. Some of it is strangely and offensively body-policing, as in she’s a young African-American woman doing her own thing, and everyone feels the need to tell her what she SHOULD be doing with her body/hair/clothes/life. Anyway, Zendaya was cast in the new Spider-Man movie, Spider-Man: Homecoming. We’ve known that for months. But last week, we learned who Zendaya would be playing: Mary Jane Watson, Peter Parker’s love interest.

Even though I saw that story last week, I literally never thought to write about it because the story seemed so boring to me. I’m just disappointed that they’re rebooting the Spider-Man franchise, so the fact that Mary Jane has always presented as a white girl in the comics, and now she would be played by a mixed-race woman, didn’t really matter to me. I met the news with a shrug. I assumed everyone else did as well. Yeah, not so much. Because so many people are dumb and racist, there was an online “backlash” to the casting news. OMG but this fictional character is white in the comic books, how dare they cast someone mixed-race in the role, I’m weeping salty-ass tears about it. You get the idea.

So the director of Guardians of the Galaxy and the GOTG sequel is James Gunn (a white guy) decided to chime in. GOTG is obviously a Marvel property, as is Spider-Man: Homecoming. Gunn is a “company man,” plus he’s obviously not a dumb racist. So he said some words on his Facebook, defending Marvel’s choice. You can read the full piece here, and this is the main gist (I made a few edits for space).

People get upset when something they consider intrinsic to a comic book character changes when adapted for a film. I get this. There are movies I dislike because I think there’s a basic misunderstanding of the story or the character when the comic is transferred to film…that said, I do not believe a character is the color of his or her skin. When Michael B Jordan was cast as Johnny Storm I didn’t understand the uproar. The primary characteristic of Johnny was not, to me, that he was white, or that he had blonde hair, but that he was a fiery, funny, big-mouthed braggart of a hero. I was happy that he was going to be played by one of the finest and most charming young actors out there.

Yesterday, a rumor broke out that the character of Mary Jane was being played by a young black woman, Zendaya, and all hell broke out on the Internet (again). I tweeted that if people find themselves complaining about Mary Jane’s ethnicity they have lives that are too good. (For those of you who think this means I’m confirming that Zendaya IS playing MJ, realize that although I’ve read the Spidey script, and I’ve met the actress in question, I have no idea what her role is.)

I got a thousand or so responses to my tweet. Most of them were positive. Some folks disagreed – they thought the character should look like what she looks like in the comics – but were thoughtful. And a handful were flat out racist.

I can’t respond to the racists – I’m not ever going to change their minds. But for the thoughtful majority of you out there: For me, if a character’s primary attribute – the thing that makes them iconic – is the color of their skin, or their hair color, frankly, that character is shallow and sucks.

For me, what makes MJ MJ is her alpha female playfulness, and if the actress captures that, then she’ll work. And, for the record, I think Zendaya even matches what I think of as MJ’s primary physical characteristics – she’s a tall, thin model – much more so than actresses have in the past.

Whatever the case, if we’re going to continue to make movies based on the almost all white heroes and supporting characters from the comics of the last century, we’re going to have to get used to them being more reflective of our diverse present world. Perhaps we can be open to the idea that, although someone may not initially match how we personally conceive a character, we can be – and often are – happily surprised.


[From James Gunn’s Facebook]

Word. I have no idea if Marvel asked Gunn to do this or if he’s just offended by the very idea that people are offended about Zendaya’s casting. I understand that this probably doesn’t rise to the level of “woke ally,” but still… it’s good that some people in the Marvel world understand that they have huge problems with A) diversity/inclusion and B) women. Everything can’t be primarily-white sausage party all the time. Why can’t Thor date a black woman? Why couldn’t Captain America fall in love with a Latina woman? Why couldn’t Black Widow be, you know, black?

PS… I’m looking at Spider-Man: Homecoming’s IMDB and I’m stunned to realize that they’ve also cast Hannibal Buress and Bokeem Woodbine. AND Donald Glover. Wow.

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  1. Locke Lamora says:

    I’m glad that they choose a POC, but from the very few things I’ve seen from Zendaya she’s not a very good actress. Not at all. She’s very smart, and very pretty, but her acting in both Disney shows I’ve seen her in was bad. Superhero movies keep picking bad actresses for female roles which is sad.

    And has she been in anything other than her Disney shows? She’s been getting so much more attention than the typical teen Disney actress.

    • Mia4S says:

      Yeah people are racist AND dumb. Be worried if she can act you idiots! She was AWFUL in all the Disney stuff…but then again the Disney stuff was awful so hopefully she can surprise.

      Unpopular opinion: It’s superhero girlfriend #6855798. Who cares who plays her! She’ll be plucky and supportive I’m sure. Yawn.

      Call me when Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, and the Dora Milage of Black Panther are being discussed.

    • Aang says:

      You are right, she wasn’t very good on the Disney show. But looks always trump talent when casting women. Plus I’m guessing she may have a good size social media following that they hope will translate into ticket sales to young girls that ma not otherwise see Spider-Man in the theater. And of course a secondary character can be a poc. When a poc is cast as Peter Parker it will be a breakthrough.

      • swak says:

        Can you imagine the backlash if they cast a POC as Peter Parker? My first thought when I read the headlines was, as Kaiser said, “Not another Superman movie”. Don’t care who is in it, the franchise (like others) has been over done.

      • Locke Lamora says:

        There was a social media push a while back to cast Dev Patel, which I think would have been amazing, but I guess the fanboys would have gone crazy.

    • Hadleyb says:

      This. She is a bad choice because of her acting.

    • Samtha says:

      I wouldn’t judge her by her Disney work. They use a very specific type of acting for their shows.

      That said, I think she’s very charismatic and has great comedic timing.

      Do superhero movies really pick bad actresses? Off the top of my head, I can think of Cate Blanchett, Lupita Nyong’o, Tessa Thompson, Rene Russo, Brie Larson, Hayley Atwell, Rachel McAdams, Tilda Swinton, Gwyneth Paltrow, Liv Tyler, Natalie Portman, Cobie Smulders, Rebecca Hall, Karen Gillan, and Zoe Saldana. Even if you don’t like some of the actresses, it’s hard to deny their talent.

      • Nicole says:

        This. Disney encourages their shows to be overacted. It’s why I’m always surprised by some Disney kids that emerge with genuine talent.
        Anyways racist stay mad and the response by Gunn was perfect.
        Also cute was this video with Zendaya and Tom (new spiderman) dancing and bucking on Twitter. Seems like they had a fun time filming.

      • uninspired username says:

        Karen Gillan is as bad as Chris Hemsworth, imo.

      • Dani2 says:

        EXACTLY. I don’t get the whole “she can’t act” comments, if she had been in one or two movies I would. This is going to be her first live-action movie. Some people just need to be honest and say that they don’t like her. It doesn’t hurt to just come out and say it lol. She really doesn’t have the body of work that justifies the “she can’t act” comments.

      • Locke Lamora says:

        I have a youmger sister so I saw quite a lot of Disney shows and I think she was bad even for Disney. Maybe I’ll be proven wrong. I’d like to be proven wrong because I really like her.

    • Abby_J says:

      I know absolutely nothing about her, but all Disney Channel acting is very bad. I’m pretty sure they could take the greatest actors of our generation and put them on a Disney Channel show, and they would be terrible.

      I am excepting Phineas and Ferb, as well as Gravity Falls which are both cartoons and both GENIUS.

      • Jwoolman says:

        She actually stood out as much better than most in the Disney shows. More importantly, she kept improving. Her costar on Shake It Up (Bella) did not and actually got worse as time went on (which seems to happen a lot, they become less directable as they age or else more is expected).

        You have to separate the actor’s potential from the constraints of the Disney School of Overacting. With a good director and out from under The Mouse, she could be quite good. She already is good from the Disney perspective, but she’ll be moving toward adult expectations soon as she takes other roles beyond The Mouse’s stable.

    • Lolad says:

      Superhero movies are corny by nature, and they never expoect much from the designated love interest. I doubt zendayas acting skills will stand out in such a way that will compromise the integrity of a movie based on a kid in red tights.

    • Robin says:

      I agree. She’s not a good actress at all.

    • Kate says:

      That is how I feel too. It’s cool that they are casting POC. There is no reason that Mary Jane should be white! But I’ve never really been impressed with her acting skills. However, maybe she needed to get out of the dumb Disney kid show umbrella to show what she’s got. Who knows? She could be great!

  2. Naya says:

    Zendaya is a warrior, I am not worried for her. But I guarantee you that if you look through the comment history of the people raising a stink about this, you will find zero about how entire nations are whitewashed in Hollywood. Not just one side kick character, not fictitious people but actual human beings of color who existed are depicted as Caucasian.

  3. Carmen says:

    I love to see racists get their panties all in a wad and make fools of themselves. (Did you see how they almost lost their sh*t when a black actress was cast as Hermione in “The Cursed Child”?) Zendaya is a beautiful and talented young woman. I think she’ll be great in this part.

    • Almondjoy says:

      😣 and I hate to see it… It’s still such a painful reminder that there are lots of people out there who feel we as people of color are less than or beneath them. Really hurtful.

      • Lucky jane says:

        I am really sorry about that. I hope that people are bringing this next generation up to see things differently, I know that we have done this with our son. I never want him to think he is better than anyone because of what they look like. It hurts my heart. The same way I wouldn’t want people assuming he is a certain way because he will grow up to be a white man. There will always be stupid people. Stupid people that have to make things up to feel better about themselves. I don’t think we will eradicate that… But maybe in the future, bullies and racists will be ostracized enough by the normal people that their voices will no longer be heard.

    • annaloo. says:

      Ugh, I agree: this topic is a bore. And these internet commentators who have no imagination or can’t see beyond what they know are the worst. So ass backwards, they hold humanity back. Creative license is great; it gives us a new twist on things and opens new perspectives. There are some horrible remakes, and there are some great remakes– but that people get up in arms about skin color or gender is ridiculously stupid. In this case, this is not a character whose race plays into who they are (eg, Shaft, Scarlett O’Hara, etc)– Mary Jane Watson, Hermione–heck even Superman — could be anyone bc their characters are modern and/or not shaped by racial tension or conflict.

      You know, in the world of remakes of commercial creative, Whitney Houston did a remake of the Dolly Parton classic, “I will Always Love You”, Steven Soderbergh gave us an incredible Oceans trilogy — we needed and are better for those remakes. The remake of RoboCop was completely unnecessary and no one needed that version. These are just examples of how creative license gives us new things.

      And I get that some people just like the same dish for dinner every night. Not saying Zendaya will be the next coming of anything as Mary Jane, but can we just get to a point where people are neutral about creative license people take in reinterpreting, and not let skin color be the reason why we pitch a fit? Lord knows they will have a new version of Spiderman in 3.4 years.

  4. Trixie says:

    I’ve never read the comics, but I never got “alpha female” from Mary-Jane in the Sam Raimi Spider-Man movies. But other than Gunn claiming Mary-Jane is supposed to be an alpha female, which never came across to me in the movies before, I like his message.

    • Samtha says:

      He’s talking about the comics (the source material).

    • Naddie says:

      In the movies they explained that they mixed her personality with Gwen Stacy’s, who’s sweeter and kinder. Probably because the real Mary Jane is a pain in the ass and many viewers would wish she’d just die already.

  5. Jellybean says:

    I don’t know anything about her, but as long as she can hold her own up against the considerable acting talent at Marvel , then great. It is such a shame that it is even a talking point.

    • Lolad says:

      That’s the thing for me too- if they had cast an unknown girl who simply fit the racial template, would the same level of concern for acting still be happening? I seriously doubt it.

  6. tegteg says:

    Honestly, this is so dumb. She can wear a wig or not even have red hair, it’s not going to make the character a different character. People and even fictional characters sometimes change their style and hair colors. If I dyed my hair blonde tomorrow, people wouldn’t start screaming, “YOU’RE NOT TEGTEG!!!!” The ONLY thing I care about is her acting ability…. but even then, Kiki wasn’t very good and she still got a shot at it, so I’m glad Zendaya was cast and she is getting this opportunity.

    • Abby_J says:

      Oh please don’t let them make her wear a wig. I saw a mock up of her with red hair, and it looked quite lovely, but I’d prefer she just look like herself.

      I thought Emma Stone was TERRIBLE. Same with Kirsten Dunst as MJ, and I actually really like Kirsten Dunst. Zendaya can really only go up. 🙂

      • Erinn says:

        I liked Emma. But she was playing Gwen, which I think was a nice break from the MJ stuff. Then again, I’ve only seen one of the Emma version, so I’m not basing it on much.

  7. jenn12 says:

    Zendaya has to deal with BS all the time, from BOTH sides. Remember when they said she wasn’t black enough to play Aaliyah? Now she isn’t white enough to play MaryJane? Mixed race exists, people. And since white people take roles meant for other ethnicities, people should just stop acting stupid. She is smart and pretty, and agile: a great MJ. Get over it. And if Barack Obama, with his white mother, can be called the first black president, then I think Zendaya, with a similar background, can try out for black roles.

    • Nik says:

      Don’t make a comparison between this backlash and the one for Aaliyah. One is a fictional character, whose race is irrelevant, and the other was a real person. There’s validity to one of these.

      Dismissing the criticism for when Z. was casted as Aayliah is overlooking how colorism plays a heavy factor in our society. Casting a very light skinned woman to play someone more medium-brown skinned is a result of a much bigger problem of how people view race and skin complexions.

      • Jo 'Mama' Besser says:

        Right on.

      • jenn12 says:

        Actually, yes, I will make a comparison. It’s hard to hear “not black enough” and “not white enough” all the time, and some come up hearing it all the time. If she’s too light for black roles, and not wanted for white roles, where exactly does she fit in? What should she look for: specific biracial roles? Yeah, because Hollywood has so many of those. She will make a great MJ, and she would’ve done a great Aaliyah. You would have to be blind to not see the racism in Hollywood, which is why she doesn’t need it from the other side, too. My cousin wants to be an actress and has a Puerto Rican-Chinese dad and a black-Jewish mom. She gets enough crap on a daily basis as it is, and wanting to act doesn’t make it any easier. Which roles would you suggest she go for? She can’t pass for white, and people make sure she knows it. And she’s light skinned, which gets comments. You think there are roles out there for her? You know what they made her play recently? The male role.

      • Why is it phrased as ‘not black enough’ and not ‘doesn’t have the same skin tone at all’ ?

        Because being ‘black enough’ is a political statement that extends beyond skin tone whereas the reality is Zendaya didn’t have the right skin tone for the woman she auditioned to play.

        Also, why is it we never have these issues with black male stars and finding male actors to play them but somehow we have to search far and wide to not give into colorism when portraying our female POC on the big screen? Love Zendaya and all the black starlets but I’m tired of being told there are just no options and all the black women on the big screen have to be the same acceptable shade of light.

      • jenn12 says:

        “Not black enough” and “not white enough” are comments made repeatedly, so that’s why they were written in quotation marks. It’s hard enough to be a POC or a biracial person, but when you add being female into it, it’s even more difficult. There are no options because Hollywood sucks, and most feed money into it. I do not, nor do I allow my kids to see most films, because I’m sick of racism and hypocrisy, especially being from a biracial family. But when it starts coming from people who should be supportive? If we aren’t wanted on any end, then what? Like I said, my multi-racial cousin cannot pass for white, but is what would be called light skinned. Her recent part in a play was the dad’s role. In a bad wig. What next- the dog, so no one is offended at all? Voice-overs, so no one has to look at her?

    • Snowflake says:

      I agree with jenn12. My husband is multiracial and its a beyotch, to put it mildly. Family and other POC feel he gets advantages because he’s light-skinned. Which is true, sometimes, vs a dark skinned black guy. but at the same time, if it’s between him and a white male, the white male is going to get it, in his experience. I see the issues involved and agree that casting a light-skinned female could lead to colorism issues, but, light-skinned people are f&cked either way. Not considered white, not considered fully black, they are stuck in the middle. So what is a mixed person to do? If they are an actor, they want a role, but how many roles are there for mixed actors? I feel it’s a great step forward for Zendaya to be playing a white role.

      • jenn12 says:

        Thanks, girl. People do not get how frustrating it is. There are those who think there’s favoritism because of the lighter skin, and I’m sure there is. But when you can’t pass for white, there are no options that way. How many roles do you see for biracial or multiracial actors/actresses? Hollywood is a cesspool of racism, but when the rejections are coming at you from all sides, it’s hard to swallow. It’s like you don’t fit in anywhere, so you should just go away. I want Zendaya to be MJ- it’s a step in the right direction. Plus, I think she will be great. The people saying she can’t act- have they seen who’s in action films? Kirsten Dunst, Megan something (in Bay’s films, can’t remember her last name)? I think Zendaya will be just fine. Those stupid (and racist, IMO) kids’ channels always have their actors mugging and overdoing it. They think it appeals to kids.

  8. Samtha says:

    I love this cast. They’re adorable on Instagram–they really seem to get along and have fun with each other.

    She’ll be a fantastic MJ, and the racists can go choke on their own bile.

  9. INeedANap says:

    Eff the nerds and their “commitment to the source material.” I didn’t see any complaining when a whip-thin actress was cast as Art3mis for Ready Player One, even though she was described literally as full-figured and Rubenesque. They just want spank bank material.

    I am post-nerd. I’m done.

    • Samtha says:

      Post-nerd describes it perfectly. Male nerd culture is even WORSE than jock/bro culture.

    • Chinoiserie says:

      Ready Player One is not exactly popular but I see similar criticisms all the time like Tom Cruise being too short for Jack Reacher.

  10. Lucky jane says:

    Won’t watch the movie. I cannot stand the thought of sitting through another of these superhero movies. That said… She is a really pretty all-American looking girl to me. I think it’s sad that there are people that are such nerds or racists or whatever to have a problem with someone that looks like her playing mj. I know nothing about her… But I see in the comments a lot of people saying maybe she isn’t much if an actress. I don’t care about these movies and don’t think half the people can act so I just can’t get upset. If what you guys are saying about her having a lot of trouble with people being judgy towards her about her body, hair etc is true… That just pisses me off. I think she is absolutely beautiful. Nothing in the world wrong with her.

  11. Nina says:

    Short question: Didn’t Tilda Swinton get backlash for being cast in another role in a superhero-movie? I can’t remember what her character was, was there some background connection to that character’s ethnicity, while with Mary-Jane (as with Hermione Granger’s), it isn’t remotely important?

    I’m not impressed by Zendaya, but not because of her skin color, I just don’t think she’s interesting as an actress… but then, as someone said, it’s a superhero’s girlfriend, exchangeable in every way, so who actually cares – except die-hard comic fans who’ve never seen sunlight, yet alone a breathing, living girl anyway?

    But I do think little helps too. White audiences need to get out of their comfort zone and POC, especially the young, need to have more (fictional) role models to look up to, to identify with.

    • Prairiegirl says:

      Yeah, in the upcoming Doctor Strange movie, a POC character was reconfigured so Tilda could play the role.

      • Abby_J says:

        Actually, the character was reconfigured so that Marvel could release the movie in China, where they make a heck of a lot of money, because of politics. I think Marvel made her a woman specifically to try to smooth over changing the Asian character (who is an almost offensive stereotype in the comics), but for some it didn’t work.

        Just pointing out that the role wasn’t changes specifically for her. 🙂

      • Josefina says:

        That excuse was terrible, though. If they didn’t want to mention Tibet they could’ve just made up a country like they did with Wakanda and Sokovia..

    • jenn12 says:

      We need more POC in major film roles, period. No more secondary roles, and no more stereotyping. I can’t believe we have to have these conversations in 2016.

      • Abby_J says:

        Both Marvel and DC have some amazing POC , and specifically WOC superheros that they should fit into their movies.

        Monica Rambeau is one of my favorites and she was an Avenger.

      • Prairiegirl says:

        If Marvel had courage, they would’ve cast John Cho as Doctor Strange. Can you IMAGINE how glorious that would have been?

      • jenn12 says:

        Should make into movies, but will they? If you’re a POC, then you have to speak in a way they consider ethnic (read:racist) and they’re convinced that the films won’t sell. How long did it take them to make a WOC character? Disney is still patting itself on the back for finally coming up with a Hispanic princess. In 2016. SMDH

      • Abby_J says:

        @Jenn12
        I think that if Black Panther does well (and I suspect it is going to makes TONS and TONS of money), they might wise up. I don’t know that I agree that you have to act a certain way if you are a POC in the MCU (if that is even what you meant. Ignore me if It wasn’t), I mean both Rhodey and Sam Wilson are far from what I think most people would consider a stereotype. Same with T’Challa. In fairness, I am NOT a POC, so I certainly wouldn’t speak for them.

        As far as the other great WOC characters they have, admittedly, my favorite, Monica Rambeau is sometimes a bit of a caricature of a supposed ‘1980’s black woman,’ which obviously I would NOT like to see played out in a movie character. She kind of gets it from all sides because she is also a woman, which has its own stereotype in comics (although I think they are getting better). Still she is an awesome character and would would be a great addition to the Avengers.

        Make this happen, Marvel.

        PS. I’m still confused about the Hispanic Princess. I thought Sophia from the Disney Jr. show, Sophia the First, was the first Hispanic Princess, but I was shocked to find out that she wasn’t supposed to be Hispanic to begin with? My daughter and I watched that show and I just assumed she was. Either way, yes, it probably should have happened sooner.

      • jenn12 says:

        Hey, Abby- Sophia wasn’t Hispanic. Disney is like, look at us, Elena! First Latina princess in 2016! When you see the Disney princesses, they generally don’t include Tiana. The Disney channel and TeenNick are disgustingly racist. Every POC has to speak a certain way: heavy Asian accent from SEVERAL villains, what they think of as urban speak or an urban way of acting if it’s a black character. The only show that isn’t too bad is Stuck in the Middle, based on a Hispanic family, and several actors aren’t even Hispanic. I talked to my kids about why we aren’t watching those channels, but sometimes they do see them at friends’ houses, but I think they see the characters through different eyes. I find that Hollywood is only willing to have POC in secondary roles, or in roles that are cariacatures of how they think POC act.

      • jenn12 says:

        No, Sophia is white. Elena is Hispanic. Disney Channel and Teen Nick come up with the most stereotypical and racist shows ever. Asians have to have heavy accents and be greedy, Indians have heavy accents and are nerds, and blacks and Latinos/Latinas have to be stereotypically urban acting and speaking. A Jewish person is a weird nerd, or there is a rabbi to be laughed at. The stud character never was introduced as anything but white (Victorious) and he is half Indian in real life. It is beyond gross.

  12. Prairiegirl says:

    There’s an excellent podcast out there called ‘Who Weekly’ and Zendaya was featured in an early episode. (The pod casters struggled to explain why she was relevant in the Hollywood ecosystem.) Recommended if you’re looking for a laugh from a really snarky podcast.

  13. Yana says:

    I admit I was a little miffed when I heard the new, but that’s because I just have never liked MJ as a character. I was hoping she would maybe be Betty Brant or Liz Allen.

  14. Lucy says:

    This only makes me root for her more.

  15. justme says:

    Another Spiderman movie? What iteration is this? I’m not aware of Zendaya having acting chops. Stunt casting? As for the racists, seriously? It’s a comic book movie so get a grip.

  16. detritus says:

    Zendaya is beautiful, well spoken and doesn’t deserve this crap.

    I love the quote, ‘if a character’s primary attribute – the thing that makes them iconic – is the color of their skin, or their hair color, frankly, that character is shallow and sucks.’

  17. Veronica says:

    A character’s skin tone can be essential to the character if it’s significant in terms of their overall social experience, but otherwise, who gives a sh*t? Frankly, Mary Jane’s primary role is to be the attractive woman Peter pines over, so it’s not like she has any essentially race-specific characteristics. Probably the casting I’m least interested in. Call me when you cast a black Spider-Man.

    • Abby_J says:

      Miles Morales! I dream of a Netflix show geared toward Teens that is more like Daredevil or Jessica Jones (without the alcoholism and cussing) and less like Disney shows, that has MIles (Spider-Man), Kamala Khan (Ms. Marvel) and Sam Alexander (NOVA) as the stars. It would be amazing and even as an adult, I would watch the heck out of it.

  18. Liz says:

    I worry about Zendaya. She looks so thin, and not a healthy thin.

  19. purple prankster says:

    I’m glad he is supporting her but this sounds more like a ‘color blind’ response. As said above sometimes the actors’ skin color or ethnicity is important for a role (though not this one).
    Otherwise, enough with bond, Superman, Spiderman, Batman already.

  20. Tulip says:

    Sorry, I’m one of those nerds who hates these choices. I care too much about those characters for what they have always been.
    I would have been enraged if they’d whitewashed Black Panther or Storm, I am enraged about MJ and Johnny Storm.

    If you want to think of me as racist, well, what can I do? I stand by my nerdy point of view.

    • Lynnie says:

      Okay, but other than your hurt feelings do you have any other valid reasons for why Zendaya can’t be MJ. (Also you do realize she’s half-white too, so you can cut the rage in half lol)

      I don’t think you can directly compare the Johnny Storm situation and whitewashing a character like Storm. On a level they’re the same yes, but whitewashing Storm is more serious and hurtful because she’s literally one of a few characters the comic book industry created for “diversity” and if you take that away the representation of POC becomes even less. Not to mention Hollywood already has an ugly habit of erasing/diminishing minorities/other cultures anyway. If MJ becomes mixed you can cry about it surrounded by (white) Captain America, (white) Iron Man, (white) Thor, (majority white) X-men, hell they even went back to the (white) Green Lantern for the movie adaptation. I didn’t see any “nerds” crying foul that the black guy they had shown for him in the cartoons was gone.

      “I care too much about those characters for what they have always been.”

      Aren’t comic books, and movie adaptations of said comics notorious for being fickle? Characters die and come back to life, previous history gets retconned, creators/directors are literally making things up as they go, etc. The only thing that stays constant is what the heroes, villains, and side-characters stand for like Gunn said, and even that can change! I just don’t see how you can use “well things have always been like xyz” as a justification for keeping MJ white when the comic book industry has shown they have no qualms completely flipping the script about everything else lol. Where is the mass internet outrage from comic book fans (like you) when that happens? It’s suspicious, to say the least, when people start caring about “integrity” when their fave white (fictional) character becomes darker for the silver screen. Almost as if people were being racist…

      • Tulip says:

        I will not watch this and I don’t watch movies with whitewashed characters either (I’ve never watched the lone ranger or aloha, just as an example – yeah, I know, lucky choice as they’re probably awful – and I will not watch Dr Strange for the very same reason), so the things piss me off rather equally.

        MJ is a character I have known and loved for all my life, I don’t want her to be different. And no, I would never watch the new “ghostbusters” either, and I’m a woman. All comic books lovers I know feel the same, but sorry, it’s not about racism, I just know I’ll be thought of as one and I can’t do anything about it.

      • Abby_J says:

        @Lynnie

        I am old, but the Justice League of my Saturday mornings always showed Hal Jordon as Green Lantern, so I’m not surprised they went with him for the movie. It was soooo bad though.

        He was always my favorite DC hero and I hated Ryan Reynolds for a while after that movie. It took Deadpool to make me love him again. 🙂

        That said, the new Green Lantern movie could go either way and quite frankly, after the last Green Lantern movie, I might skip my beloved Hal and go for John Stewart if I were DC, when they get around to making it.

      • Lynnie says:

        @Abby_J Saturday mornings showed John Stewart for me, and I’m such a casual when it comes to things like this I assumed that’s who they would’ve used for the movie lol. I understood why they went with Hal though, but it was just a shock to me personally lol.

        @Tulip That’s a shame then because that attitude is really limiting. For example, I thought the new Ghostbusters was really funny (in some ways better than the original) and I thought they did a good job of coming up with a new story line. Eventually all the major stories are gonna have a character change like this one. Some of them will be minor, some major. There will be reboots with “all-female,” “all-black”, “all-hispanic”, etc casts as studios are trying to figure out if there’s an audience for future movies. It’s just the way the demographics are changing, and excluding yourself from it just because these are stories/characters you didn’t grow up with seems silly to me personally.

      • Abby_J says:

        @Lynnie
        Hal was one of the founders of the Justice League. Since it looks like there isn’t going to be a Green Lantern in the Justice League movie, I think John would be more interesting person to base the stand alone movie on. Hopefully they will go that way with it!

        Also agree that the new Ghostbusters was entertaining!

    • Abby_J says:

      I suppose I can see your point, but Mary Jane isn’t Black Panther. She’s a supporting character, and like Iris West (and the whole West family) on The Flash, and Valkyrie in the upcoming Thor movie, it just doesn’t matter what race they are.

      Not gonna lie. Michael B Jordon was the only shining light in an otherwise AWFUL Fantastic Four movie.

    • Lolad says:

      Does the racial component really matter for Mary Jane in terms of her back story? Mary Jane to me is the beautiful girl next door who isn’t a pushover and is loyal to peter as a friend- then a love interest. I don’t think zendaya being part black inhibits her from playing those characteristics. She’s very all-american and wholesome but with a dash of hip hop sass that fits well for the mj character.Like to me that’s a great modern translation of what an all-american sweetheart looks like in 2016. And no – I dont think you’re racist, I just think we have different ideas about how to translate a modern retelling of a fifty year old story.

      • Tulip says:

        Believe me, I understand your point of view, I just can’t feel/think the same.
        But really, thank you for understanding mine.

        I truly and deeply wish they’d spend and invest resources and time creating new things, new characters, more variety: I’d buy those comic books, I’d watch those movies!

        @Lynnie
        “Characters die and come back to life, previous history gets retconned, creators/directors are literally making things up as they go, etc. The only thing that stays constant is what the heroes, villains, and side-characters stand for like Gunn said, and even that can change! I just don’t see how you can use “well things have always been like xyz” as a justification for keeping MJ white when the comic book industry has shown they have no qualms completely flipping the script about everything else lol. Where is the mass internet outrage from comic book fans (like you) when that happens? It’s suspicious, to say the least, when people start caring about “integrity” when their fave white (fictional) character becomes darker for the silver screen. Almost as if people were being racist… ”

        Really? I’ve seen people and/or friends stop following a comic book because of the fate of one character, I don’t know anyone who can think of the Gwen Stacy clone story without cringing, and the list goes on and on. Fickle? Of course, writers constantly change, but you know what? Many stop buying comic books if the writing sucks or they mistreat characters.

        For instance, Chuck Austen’s run on Uncanny X-Men is legendary for its awfulness and yes, I was one of those who stopped buying that comic at the time.

      • Lynnie says:

        The point I was making is that in all of those instances you mentioned it’s confined to the comic book fan sphere. The average person doesn’t hear about it, and won’t hear about it unless they ever go down that route. On the contrary a mixed or black person will get casted in a white role, and I’ll see a compilation of the most whiny/racist reactions in meme form on my timeline and/or several think pieces about it being the 21st century and people still can’t handle diversity lol. The ugly truth is people make a big deal about situations like these, and a good chunk of it stems from the thinking of “White is default/How dare they?!” Does everyone who reads comics think that, no, but you can’t pretend that you don’t have those optics surrounding declarations “This isn’t the MJ I know, so as a result I’m not watching.”

      • Abby_J says:

        @Lynnie
        I had to laugh at your comment about non-comic people. I have a friend from college who is NOT into the comic world at all, but she and her husband got hooked on The Flash on CW. They came to visit before my husband deployed, and she was looking through our comic book collection and found some Flash comics, She was SHOCKED to discover that Wally and Iris West were red headed freckly white people. She couldn’t care less, but it was just funny because it just didn’t matter and the people on the TV show were the people that she knew.

    • Makes sense, we should totally make sure never to stray from source material written in the 1950’s, especially when portraying it on the big screen more than half a century later.

      The number of times the source material has been played exactly how you like doesn’t matter either, so what if we’re on our fourth remake – things should still remain exactly the same for these dedicated fans – forever.

    • detritus says:

      @Tulip
      As a nerd, I take issue with calling it a ‘nerdy’ point of view.
      It’s sounding more like a stubborn, anally retentive point of view and I don’t understand it at all. There are other more incendiary readings to your comment, and you should recognise that and not just brush it off as a ‘oh well’.

      Back to the meat, basically you seem to be saying that no character is OK unless they rigorously match the comic. Except the problem is that comics are constantly reinvented themselves, and have many iterations and the style of many characters change over time.

      You don’t require Mary Jane’s skin tone to match the original Spider Man prints, where everyone is the exact same shade, or her hair to match the exact shade they present either. Otherwise you’d be complaining about Dunst as Mary Jane too. Since she’s normally a blonde and that is definitely not how MJ is presented in the comics.

      You cannot make anything live action that doesn’t at least somewhat stray from the source, because people are not made with the same colour that printing presses use.

      This issue becomes even more complicated in fandoms where the comic, or the movie, is not longer the only source of canon.

      If your only loyalty is to how the character looks you miss the essence of what makes them important and interesting and story worthy.

  21. Sunnyside says:

    … ANOTHER spider man movie? Ug. So sick of them.

  22. Abby_J says:

    First of all, I think this new Spider-Man movie is going to be the best one yet. In fairness, I hated Andrew Garfield as Spider-Man and while I loved Tobey Maguire as a kid, watching them now I’m just kind of meh. They’ve always made Spider-Man’s origin story so much older, because they wanted more sexual tension for the movies when Spidey starts out as a KID. Tom Holland seems pretty awesome and will be playing Spidey as a 10th grader. I LOVE this already.

    Second, I am very immersed in nerd culture, and by that I mean that I am an active reader of Comic websites, message boards, comic book stores and other places where nerds congregate on the interwebs and in real life. Me, my husband, brother, father and most of my friends are very into comics. It’s my opinion that this is being blown WAY out of proportion. Are there a few jerks and racists? Of course there are, because you can’t fix stupid, but the average comic book nerd pretty much heard this news and said, “DUH.” It’s a Spider-Man origin story. Of COURSE she is playing Mary Jane. Most comics nerds have assumed this since she was announced for the part. I just don’t see the hatred that Twitter tags and news articles are trying to make this out to be.

    Is it awful that there is any backlash? Of course, but people getting up in arms and blaming the comic book fans need to dig a little deeper. Most of us have known who she was gonna be the whole time and just don’t care, as long as she plays the role well and calls Peter ‘Tiger’ at least once, if not multiple times. 🙂

    It had to be Mary Jane, but I’m actually a little disappointed that she wasn’t Gwen Stacy (even though Peter doesn’t meet her until college) because I wand Spider Gwen in a movie, darn it!

    • Lolad says:

      I like Garfield, but those Spidey movies sucked. Holland seems to be an inspired casting choice, and watching him and zendaya do that dance challenge made me think this retelling of spiderman is going to be awesome- Spidey needs a dance off at the prom now! (I watched Tobey’s movies recently and they aged badly, too faux old timely and overly sentimental, so it will be interesting to are if they course correct with this one.)

      • Abby_J says:

        I know, right? My daughter even loves to watch that dance clip over and over. The video is adorable, and even though they are really both adults, they LOOK like the kids they are supposed to be.

        I am super excited for it, and I agree, dance off at the prom. Although, since they are in 10th grade, there really probably won’t be a prom. It’s a movie though. They can make it work. 🙂

        Personally, I would also LOVE for them to hire a young actress to play Jessica Jones, since they will be school aged and she went to school with Peter and had a crush on him before she got super powers. She wouldn’t have to be a huge part of the movie, but it would be a fun background character that showed up in a scene or two, just to tie the MCU and the Netflix shows together.

    • Josefina says:

      I’m a nerd-culture follower too and the reaction to Zendaya’s casting is mostly “meh”. There’s 2 recurring complaints:
      1) Her acting experience is mostly limited to Disney Channel, so her talent is questionable.
      2) There’s people (me included) who would rather a more womanly and sexy Mary Jane. Zendaya’s gorgeous, but in a girly and innocent kind of way.

      But hey – she could turn it out. No one liked it when Heath Ledger was cast as the Joker, and his performance turned out to be legendary. Im open to being surprised.

      I initially wrote something about these racists in the internet being a small but very loud minority, but then I remembered Trump’s voters and… well… clearly they are not that few.

      • Erinn says:

        Ouu, the thing with point 2 is that this is a 15 year old spiderman. Definitely don’t need a super womanly, sexy MJ in this scenario.

        Otherwise, yeah. I work in IT – I haven’t heard much about this casting. I think I’ve heard the odd “wasn’t MJ a pale red-head?” but it was more of a question, than a rant.

        Honestly – just give her hair a slightly red tint to it, if it’s THAT big of a deal that MJ is a redhead. Or, since it’s a modern reboot focusing on teenagers – give her some funky, bright red streaks or something. If it’s THAT important that MJ is a redhead… well, they can easily do that with the casting choice.

      • Abby_J says:

        @erinn
        Yeah, since they are 10th graders, she doesn’t need to be super sexy. I’m rather hoping for a ‘cute’ kind of relationship with awkwardness and all of that sort of thing. Especially since my niece will be their movie age when it comes out, and she doesn’t need to see super sexy acted out with kids who are supposed to be her age. Haha. She can be sexy in Spider-Man 3 or 4. 🙂

        @Josefina
        There seems to be more people indignant about people complaining than people actually complaining to me. Like I said, most people I know assumed that she’d be Mary Jane because it just made sense. It wasn’t some big shock to any of us, at least!

        Like I said in another post, I wasn’t impressed with Kirsten Dunst or Emma Stone, so she doesn’t have to do much to make me happy. She MUST call Peter Tiger at some point. That is all I ask. I always thought it was stupid in the comics, but I still need to hear it in the movie. 🙂

  23. Beckysuz says:

    I love Zendaya. Frankly we don’t need another reboot for spidey, but if we’re gonna have one, why not switch things up a little? What’s the point of rebooting then making the same movie again and again? Also James Gunn has a new fan in me.

    • Abby_J says:

      Actually, I think this Spider-Man is gonna be MUCH different from either of the other two. I mean, after two versions of the same thing, just switching up the girlfriend and main actor, it kind of has to be.

      Agreed. James Gunn rules.

    • What? says:

      There doing a reboot because 1.) Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Man films were not doing well on various levels. 2.) This Spider-Man is going to be connected to the Marvel Cinematic Universe since Disney/Marvel Studios is now working with Sony. Yes, this reboot needed to happen.

      • justme says:

        no it doesn’t

      • Bridget says:

        They need to continue to make movies with the character or else the character reverts back to Marvel entirely.

      • lilacflowers says:

        Spiderman was a key part of the Avengers in the comics and he has been missing from the films due to the various studio contracts. This one continues the introduction from CACW and pulls him into the MCU, even though technically the studios are splitting it, makes him a teen -ager and it has Marisa Tomei!

  24. Jay (the Canadian one) says:

    Whenever I think of an actor who completely failed to match the physical characteristics of the character being portrayed, the first person that comes to mind is Daniel Craig as James Bond. If people can accept that they should be able to accept this. (That said, I understand Tom Cruise as Jack Reacher is supposedly a worse miss but I haven’t read Reacher and can’t stand Cruise so I can’t comment on that.)

  25. Chinoiserie says:

    Is it wrong to want her have red hair? Not unflattering bring red or anything but aburn or something? I think chactaers iconic looks do matter so there should be some effort if it can be made like I still do not like Lois Lane being a red head even though I love Amy Adams and those films are not good.

  26. Lauren says:

    I thought the girl cast as Liz Allen was gonna be Mary Jane. She is gorgeous. Regardless, I like Liz Allen and Gwen Stacey much more than MJ. I hope Liz is a main love interest.

  27. lucy2 says:

    Good for Zendaya. I don’t know what type of actor she is, but she is a smart young woman, and I hope she handles it well. I see no reason to limit the character to what she looks like in the comics.
    I had zero interest in any new Spiderman movies, but now I’m kind of excited by the cast. I loved Bokeem on Fargo, and happy to see Donald Glover finally getting in a Spiderman movie in some role.

  28. Rebecca says:

    I can’t believe how many dumb racists have “come out of the woodwork” on social media. It’s sad that so many people have always been this way, but have been too cowardly to give their opinions in real life. I used to think they were all white, fat, lonely male video game nerds living in their mama’s basement or the random mentally ill white supremacist. I wish that was the case now. There are too many of them for this to be true.

    Zendaya is a beautiful girl and a great actress. Personally I’m getting tired of seeing all the white superheroes with their redhead girlfriends.

    How do we boycott racists so they can’t go to movies? I think it is time.

  29. Connie says:

    I hate the fact that ANYBODY has a problem with Zendaya! She’s a beautiful young lady and I’m happy for any role she gets because she’s seems like such a sweet person. Some people are just ignorant! If anything, I’d be sorry she was Mary Jane b/c “Spiderman” doesn’t seem worthy of her!