Brad Pitt’s story: he argued with Angelina Jolie & Maddox got in between them


The story finally became clearer throughout the day on Thursday: there was an incident on the Jolie-Pitt’s private plane, as they made their way home from France. The incident, everyone agrees, involved Brad Pitt getting in Angelina Jolie’s face, and one of their sons (Maddox) trying to get in between Brad and Angelina. From that point, the details are in question. We know now that the FBI is investigating because the incident occurred on an international flight, and it involves multiple states (they refueled in Minnesota, and Brad acted erratically on the tarmac). DCFS (child protection services) is also investigating Pitt, and they’ve already interviewed Angelina and Brad. As for exactly what went down, here’s Team Pitt’s version, per People:

Brad Pitt did not strike his child during a heated mid-flight argument with Angelina Jolie last week, according to a source close to the actor. Pitt is accused of being “verbally abusive” and getting “physical” with one of his children on the family’s private plane last Wednesday, a source previously told PEOPLE. Now a source close to the actor is speaking out exclusively to PEOPLE about Pitt’s side of the story.

Pitt “was drunk, and there was an argument between him and Angelina,” says the source. One of the couple’s older children “then got caught in the middle, literally. He stepped in front of Brad. There was a parent-child argument which was not handled in the right way and escalated more than it should have.”

The source says Pitt did not hurt his son. “He is emphatic that it did not reach the level of physical abuse, that no one was physically harmed. He did not hit his child in the face in any way. He did not do that; he is emphatic about that. He put his hands on him, yes, because the confrontation was nose to nose and was spiraling out of control.”

Any accusations beyond that are “a combination of exaggerations and lies,” the Pitt source contends, blaming sources close to Jolie. “They have taken the overall smallest kernel of truth – that a fight in which Brad was somewhat inebriated got out of hand and reached a regrettable peak, and that as a result DCFS is looking into it – and they are manipulating it to best suit their attempts to gain custody.” The Pitt source adds that the star “was not black-out drunk” and that “he absolutely remembers that evening and has been interviewed at length to that effect.”

[From People]

The fact that this is Team Pitt’s official version of events related to the most sympathetic outlet is… rather astonishing. I don’t understand the distinction being made between “Brad didn’t strike his son” and “Brad and Maddox were nose to nose and it got physical.” As for my seeming assumption that this is Maddox we’re talking about, TMZ says that’s the case, that Maddox was the one trying to defend Angelina and get Brad to back away from Jolie. TMZ’s version of events is this: “Shortly after the plane took off, Brad and Angelina began arguing and Maddox jumped up to verbally defend his mom. We’re told Brad then lunged at the boy and Angelina jumped in between them to block her husband. Brad connected in some fashion with his son.” TMZ also says that Jolie insists that at the time of the incident, Brad was not drunk, although he got drunk later. Team Pitt says Brad was really drunk though. Team Jolie also told TMZ that if this was just a matter of Brad having an alcohol problem, she would not have bolted so quickly, and she probably wouldn’t have left at all. To Jolie, this is just about the kids and “Angelina felt the incident on the plane was a deal breaker.”

Page Six also carried a Pitt-friendly version of what went down, again insisting that Brad didn’t hit Maddox, and claiming that Jolie is waging some huge smear campaign. This is the quote that bothered me: “He knows he made mistakes and he knows he has to be better. He and Angelina fought a lot recently, and she knows how to push his buttons. But he is adamant that he did not hit these kids like she’s trying to say.” First of all, “she pushed my buttons” is the dumbest excuse ever for screaming at your wife and getting into some kind of physical situation with your son. That is the kind of thing that Johnny Depp’s team said about Amber Heard too. Second of all, “he did not hit these kids like she’s trying to say.” She hasn’t said anything, and she certainly hasn’t said “Brad beat a child.” She filed for divorce and allowed the news to leak to TMZ without going on the record personally.

People Magazine also reports that Brad hasn’t seen the kids or spoken to Angelina since she filed for divorce on Monday. Brad also finally retained a lawyer on Thursday – he hired Lance Spiegel. Angelina is still sticking with Laura Wasser. A lot of people have been acting like Jolie is “pulling a Depp” by retaining Wasser, but you realize that Depp was sort of an outlier for Wasser’s clientele, right? Besides, Jolie knows and trusts Wasser – Wasser was her lawyer when Jolie divorced Billy Bob Thornton.

Us Weekly also reports that there is some video footage of something. LaineyGossip says that’s why Brad hasn’t released a concrete statement in his own words, refuting the story. Brad doesn’t know what other receipts are coming out.



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  1. Carla says:

    Must’ve been one of many incidents. I’m glad Angelina got out.

    • LadyMTL says:

      Yeah, I said something similar in one of yesterday’s posts. I think it might have been a long-standing issue (e.g. he gets drunk, they yell at each other because he’s drunk and kids might be around, etc) and this incident on the plane was just the last straw. Everyone has a breaking point, after all.

      • Luna says:

        maybe the breaking point was that there were witnesses

      • Plewas says:

        Yeah lainey implied that this issue is out of brad and Angelina’s hands now, ie witnesses and video. Brad is a beautiful man and I think he’s gotten away with a lot of shit over the years because of iit. Anyone remember him banging a sixteen year old juliette lewis when he was 27? Me neither, cause I was too busy looking at his pretty, shiny Rachael bob cut before Jennifer Aniston had even thought of it.

      • qwerty says:

        Oh god, gross. I found out yesterday. Depp got with Winona with a similar age difference, didn’t he?

      • AbrarAk says:

        @Plewas Yep!

        Besides Juliette Lewis,
        Brad Pitt at 24 dated 15 year old Shalane McCall
        Brad Pitt at 25 dated 17 year old Christina Applegate

      • jojo says:

        God, that’s a pattern there. Who beds a 15 year old?

    • Nicole says:

      Same I’m glad she got out if not for herself but also the kids. If he would do that in public imagine the blowouts they had in private?
      This is so disappointing not because I have any stake in these two (never cared about Saint Brangelina) but there are 6 kids that are going to be dragged through a media mess now. 6 kids that may have witnessed a very volatile relationship and jumped in before. That’s no environment for kids. I’m sad for them

      • Crumpet says:

        Ditto Nicole. Poor kids probably think this is what all families are like. Ugh.

      • RocketMerry says:

        Yeah, it’s never easy and it gets tiring; eh, I feel I might get all personal on this, do forgive me, but my family had similar dynamics (without the jetsetting across the world on private planes, of course…). My father worked abroad, he only came back once in a while, and while my mother IS a piece of work who could get pretty physically, verbally and emotionally abusive herself (more often then not with me, lucky one), somehow their constant fighting when they were together always made me fear more for her than him. As in, I always sort of resented him and blamed him more than her, for their fighting; for other stuff, like my ed and not being protected adeguately from some not-so-nice family members’ attentions, I do blame her, now that I don’t blame myself.
        Anywho, the point is, when you need to get up and phisically defend one of your parents, that’s usually a pretty strong indication that the other one has stepped over the line big time and that’s not an easy feeling to live with.

      • C'est la Vie says:

        I take back something – they may have no video. Check the news, etc. So, no receipts?

    • Ericka says:

      Kuddos to Angelina for doing the right thing. In my book, your kids always come first. Maddox proved to be a great guy standing up for his mom ❤️

      • Missy says:

        Maddox and Angelina have always had a special bond. That always struck me.

        What a good son for defending his mom. I didn’t think my fondness for him could increase, but I was wrong. That being said, I hope he and the other kids are okay. Shame on you, Brad. Another celebrity crush bites the dust 🙁

      • Ramona Q. says:

        Yes, Ericka, the family was just her and Maddox before anyone else.

      • Tana says:

        Look I really support Angelina and believe she did the right thing by divorcing him and taking the kids away. But there are 2 things which really bother me, with Angie’s approach:

        1. That she hasn’t tried to make this quieter. She could have released the news on a Friday, before the Emmys, so it didn’t cause as much of a stir. She shouldnt be leaking the information little by little, as it is dragging out the drama.

        2. That she used TMZ to leak her news! I f***ing cannot stand that website. The website itself is the most sexist, openly racist site out there. I also made the mistake of reading the comments on there, about this news. Between the illiterate nut jobs and the racist sexist scum of the earth who comment on that site, I no longer have any hope left in humankind. Seriously the majority of people were like this is Angelinas fault. Brad should only focus on his biological kids (read white). He should of dropped Maddox off to Cambodia.

        This also reinforced my opinion that Angie should have approached this differently. She should have kept quiet about the whole incident and then if it comes out, she can deal with it then. This way, it’s bringing to much heat on her kids.

        I don’t mean to judge her so harshly, because she is literally in an impossible situation. The TMZ comments have made me crazy.

        Sorry about the rant about TMZ – but seriously that website needs to burn.

      • MC2 says:

        If you light TMZ on fire then invite me- I’ll light my cigarette with the flames & cackle with you.

        I don’t think the TMZ comments should reinforce anything and it only deserves a shrug. I don’t think we should worry about how sickos like that react and I think the fact that those people have been patronized to is a problem. Amber donated her money to prove something to certain people that will never, ever change their minds no matter what. I hope AJ doesn’t do the something similar. F-k public opinion and I am so glad it didn’t matter to the women in the past who paved the road for our divorce & dv laws. Amber & Angelina shouldn’t underestimate how much they are hated & they shouldn’t try to appease those people in any way- just walk over them.

        We don’t know why AJ started the divorce like she did but my guess is that there are a ton of details we don’t know that motivated her besides just anger. People want her to be quiet but then now to give details. She can’t win and no way she went about it would have been okay. I thought and still think it’s odd how she did it but her past has always been about the kids and I think there were reasons for how she went about it that we don’t know and may never know.

      • sasha says:

        People speculate (as is done in this article) that Angelina leaked the news to TMZ, however, assuming that the papers were filed in LA county where Wasser and her manager are based, TMZ may very well have people who inform them on legal filings. It also could be someone on Wasser’s or Kosinski’s team and for all we know, Angelina may have had nothing to do with it.

        Also, I agree that this must’ve been the final straw. This seems to have been an ongoing situation.

      • Evie says:

        @Missy & @Ramona Q: Co-signing with both of you regarding the special bond between Angelina and Maddox. But here’s a little bit of trivia, Angie was still married to Billy Bob Thornton at the time she adopted Maddox as a seven-month old infant. AJ and Billy-Bob were adopting him together, although Angie was the primary driver in the adoption. Maddox’ original legal name was Maddox Thornton-Jolie. Soon after the adoption, AJ and Billy-Bob split and the rest is history. After she and Brad hooked up, Brad legally adopted Maddox, Zahara and Pax. But yes, there’s no doubt that Angie and Maddox have a special connection.

      • Flowerydefense says:

        Tana, I’m with you on this. I find the scorched earth, approach to this sad.
        I love Angelina, I like Brad, what I dislike is the public demonizing being done. Yes it is a bad, but the love they’ve shared for 12 years and seeing she married this man two years ago. A divorce , I can see, but why a very public HATE campaign is THAT now necessary and being waged in public? Is a hate campaign the ONLY way? I just don’t understand that part.
        I have sympathy for all involved I really do. I think both Angelina and Brad should seek therapy.


      • Size Does Matter says:

        Can someone please explain to me why the assumptions that Angelina leaked the news to TMZ? There were witnesses, multiple state (and federal apparently) agencies, and at least one law firm involved. Plus TMZ probably has sources at the courthouse, and it was not a sealed filing.

      • Noname says:

        The divorce filing itself wasn’t sealed but it’s because Laura Wasser is her lawyer. Laura Wasser was also Depp’s lawyer and TMZ had the inside scoop before anyone on quite a bit on what was happening with their divorce. Coincidence? No.

        Angelina Jolie knows what she’s doing here with dropping the divorcing filing on TMZ and getting ahead of the story. It took Pitt 48 hours to hire an attorney and respond back. Everyone here is commenting and assuming they know what happened on the plane because of a few vague leaks. Like I posted in one comment, unless there is a video from the plane, it will be a he said, she said situation.

      • C'est la Vie says:

        With you Flowerydefense.

        I also think she should get an order of protection, if she’s going to go before a judge.

        They do consider things like that in court. Though, she does have witnesses and video. But making it official can help. It’s one of the things I wish I had done, not that it made a huge difference – but it was good for a friend. Still, it didn’t keep her husband from getting part-time custody. And who knows if he doesn’t deserve some kind of custody or not? Only a judge.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Laura Wasser was her attorney years ago when she divorced BBT. Maybe she feels comfortable with her in this situation?

    • Pedro45 says:

      This. I doubt it’s the first time one of the kids got between them during an argument.

      • MarthaB. says:

        Oh, please with the stupid blind items. Anyone can write and make up stuff like this!

      • LoveIsBlynd says:

        My son “stepped in” when he was two year’s old. That’s when I left the abusive father- often we don’t see until the children behave defensively. Then it’s finally obvious, and it seems so w Angelina, compounded by a witness.
        I knew 12 yr old who shot his mother’s abusive bf in the leg during a spousal altercation. God help us when the children are stronger than the parents.

    • minx says:

      I’m so disappointed in him.
      AJ did the brave and correct thing.

      • Malak says:

        I’m disappointed in him too… Well, when you’re drunk you don’t know what you’re doing. Later when people tell you what you’ve done you’ll regret it but it’s too late – you’ve done it.

    • Betti says:

      This marriage is done – there is no coming back from this. I would be very surprised if they made up and decided to give it another go.

      • minx says:

        Yep. Also, can you imagine how terrified the younger kids must have been, trapped on a long flight with an angry, drunk father who had gone after their mother? They may have been crying and upset. AJ would never allow that to happen again.

      • Colette says:

        I think if he admitted he has a drinking problem,went into a program,had anger management classes,there is hope.

        My main issue is he seemed to be out of control on a plane.You are admittedly drunk in front of your kids.I am so shocked someone in his camp would admit he was drunk,intoxicated.
        I was on a plane once and two adults started screaming at each other and I almost had a panic attack.But I am projecting my anxiety issue with my claustrophobia.
        But like I said before,it’s possible 90 percent Brad is a great parent.But when gets drunk and/or uses weed he can’t control his anger so he needs to stop getting drunk.

      • Venus says:

        Minx: Exactly. Being on a plane must have made all this worse — there’s no way to escape. I hate to think how bad the argument must have been for a boy to feel he has to intervene between his parents.

      • Artemis says:


        His team claims he was drunk because that would be the ‘excuse’ for his erratic behaviour. Jolie’s camp says he was not drunk indicating that he does have anger issues regardless of his addiction issues. Which is also why her camp is saying that addiction alone woudn’t be a reason for a divorce, she would actually have stayed with him.

        The fact that after the fight, he THEN started drinking and got drunk speaks volumes on how he is emotionally abandoning his family. He could’ve said sorry or at least not grabbed for the bottle but he decided to make it worse. All in the presence of his children who need a father. And then he’s surprised his wife has had enough and after a period of bad months, decides that this is the final straw? He was a warned man I imagine. Many times over. I’m feeling less and less sympathy for his situation.

      • Noname says:

        @Artemis- A few things.. not that I necessarily disagree with you but.. Pitt knew the divorce was coming. His sources admitted this as early as Wednesday, he just didn’t know Jolie would make it so public. That’s his issue.

        And addiction alone should be a reason to divorce someone, just my opinion. Whatever happened on the plane, unless there is a video, there is going to be a he said, she said on what happened. I agree he is trying to excuse the behavior on alcohol & that he needs to check the anger at the door when raising kids. I’m still questioning why she is not demanding supervised visitation in her filing because that’s my issue. I was raised by angry drug addicts..not pleasant what I learned. Angry/substance abuse parent do not mix well and supervision would go a long way here. Unless he’s to the level of a Charlie Sheen rage monster, he should be allowed to see his kids.

        They have been fighting for months over differences in their lifestyles and parenting ideas, according to Lainey. I can see where it reached a breaking point but I am still empathetic to Pitt because I’ve been there.. I have lost control of my temper. Losing control of your temper does not always mean you’re abusive though. Pitt admitted he crossed a line on the plane. That is more than Depp will ever admit to.

        I’m also empathetic to Jolie but I don’t understand why she didn’t just lead with this from the beginning as the reason for the filing. She dropped this news on a Tuesday, to TMZ of all sites, and allow rampant speculation for at least 48 hours.

      • mayamae says:

        @Noname, why in the world would this be considered a “he said, she said”? What about Maddox, who intervened? What about the five other kids, the pilot, the attendant, nanny, security, tarmac crew, etc. Are all of their statements suspect?

      • Malak says:

        It’s not impossible, if it’s true that he and Angie still care for each other. He needs to give up drugs and alcohol. Only then can he try to get back with the family he claims to love. I bet the kids will miss him if they don’t already.

      • Katherine says:

        Agreed. No sympathy for Pitt here. People can defend it all they want as simply losing his temper, but there’s no excuse. This is an abusive situation, and I’m glad Jolie got out. I can’t even stand either of them, but she did the right thing. The abuse apologists need to stop.

    • vaultdweller101 says:

      I feel really bad for the kids. Poor babes.

    • Missy says:

      Oh, definitely. The first time a young child’s parents fight, he often doesn’t know what to do. He usually freezes up, unable to process what’s happening. This wasn’t the first time they’ve witnessed something like this.

      I think it’s obvious how much the children adore their mother. I never thought about it until now, but they seem to have much less affection for Brad. This whole thing just makes me sad.

      • Timbuktu says:

        Well, at least for the older 2, it makes sense: Angelina adopted them before she even got together with Brad. And yes, I definitely get the vibe that if it were up to Brad alone, he’d have his biological 3 children and that’s it. I think older kids realize that what they have now is entirely thanks to AJ. BP just didn’t get in the way, or so we thought.

      • Colette says:

        That’s not true.She adopted Maddox from Cambodia before she got with Brad.She was with Brad in 2005 when she got Zahara,he was with Angie when she picked up Zahara in Ethiopia.He legally adopted both of them after she became pregnant with .Because they were not married they could not jointly adopt Pax who is the second oldest was adopted from Vietnam in 2007 after Shiloh was born in 2006.He later adopted Pax.
        So Maddox is the only child who didn’t always have Brad as his father.

      • Athena says:

        @Timbuktu: quote:nd yes, I definitely get the vibe that if it were up to Brad alone, he’d have his biological 3 children and that’s it. I think older kids realize that what they have now is entirely thanks to AJ.”

        what an awful takeaway from such a sad situation. Regardless of his issues, I highly doubt Brad differentiates between his kids in terms of biological or not. And why should the adopted kids feel only gratitude for Jolie? She and Brad gave that life to all their kids. ..for love not as a favor.

      • Carmen says:

        @Timbuktu: I don’t get that vibe from him at all. He had a great relationship with Maddox and Z was his little princess. All the articles about him as a dad talked about how she had him wrapped around her little finger. But I didn’t get the feeling that he and Pax were that close.

      • Lady Mimosa says:

        @Carmen, Brad has put on a show got all these years, who knew he was an angry drunk before now. He said something about Zahara hair in an article once, that I didn’t think was too good,being I am African American. Who knows how he really is.

      • Colette says:

        Brad said they use Carol’s daughter products on Zahara’s hair.How is that not a good statement? He is saying they took the initiative to get the appropriate products for her hair texture.Rather than being like these clueless people who act like their black or biracial children don’t require different products.
        As for the kids Brad seems extremely close to Zahara(his first daughter) so enough of this BS that he or AJ favor their white kids.

      • notasugarhere says:

        At one point Jolie did say that she wouldn’t have had biological children, except it was so important to Pitt.

    • Flowerydefense says:

      The whole situation is so sad. I feel awful for the kids, bad for Angelina and bad for Brad too.
      I just dont understand why this needs to be team Brad or team Angelina when the divorce is terrible for everyone. This incident was awful, but She has also said for years he is a good father. This incident was terrible for everyone. They all are hurting.
      I wish them both the best and can’t hate or dislike either because of this. People have human frailities and I hope they both get help actually. The way a scorched earth campaign seems to be coming from either camps sources or lawyers, It seems self destructive publicly for the children too. What I’m saying I suppose is I wish this could be done in a more cordial manner without trying to destroy a person or persons.
      Did these two try therapy?

      • Malak says:

        I’m also very sad. They BOTH need counselling. I have the impression that Brad feels he is losing control as head of the family, IF it’s true that Angie has brought in 2 British assistants to help her politically (?) I read that he doesn’t like them, but there’s nothing he can do about it, because he can’t order her around. She is independently wealthy and has her own projects and activities. Then they also don’t agree on how to raise the kids. I think it’s important for kids to see that mom and dad agree with each other when it comes to them (the kids).

        By the way, Antonio Guterres, the previous high commissioner of the UN refugee agency, who appointed her their Special Envoy, is also a candidate to replace Sec. Gen. Ban Ki-Moon at the end of the year!


    • Little Darling says:

      I actually don’t think so. I think his behavior has probably been messier and his drinking more rampant, but my gut says it was one and done for her. I don’t think she’s a wait and see kind of gal. The first time he got physical she took herself and the kids out.

      • Venus says:

        “The first time he got physical she took herself and the kids out. ” Which is entirely appropriate. What message is she sending them otherwise?

      • Little Darling says:

        My comment was in response to this being one of many incidents and I think it’s probably THE incident after a series of backsliding behavior. I don’t think there were more incidents like this, i think this was the first and last.

      • Sarah says:

        I don’t think so. An anonymous person reported this do she may have just swept it under the rug.

      • Katherine says:

        My gut tells me this has been going on for years.

    • Fan says:

      Yes, I am glad too that she got out. She will be better off without him. She is still very beautiful.

    • Carmen says:

      Well, I needed a good laugh after all this depression and I just got my giggle for the day: someone on another website said she just can’t wait until Brad takes Shiloh and runs back to Jennifer because true love never dies and Jennifer will be such a great stepmother.

      Although where that leaves poor Justin, I am at a total loss to imagine.

    • Babalon says:

      His account is way more damaging than anything she’s leaked, IMO.

    • Marley31 says:

      When cops and the law is involved the other parent may just want to take steps as to try and look like or try to take steps as to protect the children as so so the children won’t be taken away.

      • Carmen says:

        Exactly. I worked in child welfare for many years, and very often when CPS gets a report of a father being drunk and abusive they will tell the mother, “Take the kids and leave him now or we will take the kids away from you.” Whoever called CPS may hav forced Angie’s hand. But I think she did the right thing in leaving him. He needs to go into rehab and get his act together. If he got drunk after the incident, as the report claims, that tells me he handles anger and stress by getting drunk.

  2. ickythump says:

    Sadly this is th Hollywood version of a scenario played out in millions of families around th world. Pitt lives a lifestyle few coud even dream of so why is he getting pissed and becoming agressive with his wife and kids? he needs to sort himself out.

    • Hadleyb says:

      And most women can’t leave as easily as Jolie did.. some are forced to stay for a variety of reasons.

    • Lindsay says:

      Problems are relative. From the outside looking in his life may look perfect but I promise it’s not, no one’s is. The old adages “money can’t buy happiness” and “hurt people hurt people” are cliche for a reason. There maybe underlying mental health issues he has been self medicating for a long time. Being rich and famous doesn’t magically fix everything. If anything fame may have stopped him from seeking help before things spiraled so out of control out of a concern for privacy. None of this justifies abuse though.

      • Timbuktu says:

        I absolutely agree with you that no one’s life is perfect, etc., but at the same time, celebrities DO have it better! We’re just as vulnerable to mental and physical illness as they are, but we don’t have the same resources and opportunities to deal with them.
        Beyond that, say what you will, but money DOES help with everyday problems! If he’s too stressed, someone like Brad could take a year (or the rest of his life, really) off work and go to a retreat. If he is tired of his job, he can quit it and – I don’t know – be a wine-maker in the South of freaking France. If he’s tired of AJ, he can divorce her and marry yet another beautiful woman and easily provide for his children.
        All these options are not there for “regular” people: very few of us can afford to take a year off work, to dramatically change a career in the 50-s or to move to another country without sacrificing our quality of life. Some of us can’t even afford to get divorced – not without dramatically decreasing the quality of life for everyone involved, including the children, because paying 2 rents, cooking separate meals is twice as expensive, and dating or starting new families takes a lot of time from the standing commitments with already existing kids.

      • kibbles says:

        Of course they live a better life than most, but at some point what can money buy? After you reach the million dollar mark, and you have your mansion, vacation home, luxury vehicle, and financial security, what else is there that makes one’s life different from those who are just middle or upper middle class? Money can provide a lot of comfort, but it doesn’t buy everything. I’m sure once these celebrities experience decades of immense wealth, other than walking the red carpet, their day to day lives are just like ours except that they live in a nicer house and go on vacations more often. The same issues that plague marriages, parent and teenage relationships, and substance abuse exist just like in any other home.

      • Sarah says:

        Timbuktu, what you said. Celebrities have the ability to change their lives in ways most can only dream of. They do have the continual scrutiny, though. Where on the planet could AJ take her kids where they wouldn’t be harassed?

    • BangersandMash says:

      This is 100% true.
      I was in Maddox shoes, and I know many many many people who have been either Brad, Angelina or Maddox in this scenario. But unfortunately in the world of people without millions. It’s difficult to leave an abuser.

      I’m so sorry for what they are going through. I understand the pain and hurt, and I hope that this incident opens up much needed conversation about the prevalence of DV in the life of women and children and hopefully have a productive conversation for those in need…. more so, than the stupid conversations most people had about Amber Heards situation. But sadly, it looks like this is heading exactly that route.

      • Greeneyes says:

        I’ve been in Maddox’s shoes & in Angelina’s. Totally agree, it’s my wish this subject was talked about more and not swept under the rug as much as it is. I hope Brad he’d help and In time the family heals.. even Angelina & Brad as they will have to communicate to co-parent. Sad all the way around when a family breaks up.. sadder when violence and/or inebriating substances are involved.

    • NotSoSocialButterfly says:

      I was raised in a family like this, and my heart breaks for those kids, especially Maddox. I stepped in and called the state police when I was about his age, and I also recall acutely what it felt like to be younger- physically small- and witness shit between my parents. It is painful, confusing, and scarring. All the best wishes for the children, I’m sure Angelina will do all she can to isloate them from any further events like this. <3

      • original kay says:

        Yes, so was I. I have clear memories of racing down the steps, just a small girl, to get in front of my mother as she cowered on the couch, my father threatening to throw a scotch glass at her. Clear as day.

        This isn’t the first time Brad and Angie have fought like this, not the first time one of their children intervened. It is the last time.

        Good for you, Angie. I hope the kids can find some peace in all of this.

      • Tris says:

        Sorry to hear that, Butterfly. It’s awful for kids to see parents fight. The best day of my life when I was a kid was the day my parents divorced. Anything is better than witnessing that kind of anger. All the best to the Jolie-Pitts. It’s a shame.

      • NotSoSocialButterfly says:

        @original kay- Awful that those memories remain crystal clear, isn’t it? I can nearly live the nights afterward when I lay in darkness at the top of the stairs outside my bedroom, waiting for him to start in on her again, in a hypervigilant state to rescue her again. When you think about it, it is definitely a form of PTSD. I wish you well, friend.

      • NotSoSocialButterfly says:

        @ tris, thank you for your kind words. I cannot count how many times I wished (and pleaded with my mother) that they would divorce and be done. I am glad you found relief in your parents’ divorce. Mine didn’t have the strength, but luckily police intervention was the wake up call needed for the physicality. Emotionally, nothing really changed.

      • original kay says:

        ((hugs)) Butterfly

        It is indeed a form of ptsd.

        and Hugs to everyone who is posting their personal experiences here. It does so well for those of us to have a safe place to just get it out. I can’t always do that IRL, so I appreciate that here there is a group that is overwhelmingly supportive.

      • NotSoSocialButterfly says:

        @original Kay,
        Hugs back to you.

      • TotallyOld says:

        I was the younger sister(Vivienne & Shiloh) watching my 14 yr old brother step between my mother and step-dad during one of his drunken rages. Also watched my sweet brother clip same step-dad that night and give him 6 stitches. My step-dad’s anger was at my mom not us but most sons are not going to stand by and watch their mother get hit. I feel for all the kids as it affects everyone of them not just Maddox. And as someone up above said, Angelina & Maddox probably have a special bond being he was her first child. I just hope Brad didn’t step over that line where he hurled racist comments to Maddox but wouldn’t be surprised, a drunk will do anything.

        If he were my husband, I wouldn’t have waited until it escalated into physical violence, I will not ever put up with a drunk even if he’s just sitting around drinking and watching TV. Nothing more abhorrent for me than to see a drunk slurring words, falling all over him or herself. And imagine the need to get drunk on a plane with your wife & kids. Who does that? Movie stars apparently!

        Brad you deserve everything coming your way!

      • Kelsey says:

        I was in Maddox’s shoes too. Although I’m sorry you were as well, I have to give you props for calling the police. I picked up the phone in the midst of arguments/attacks numerous times but never dialed. Now, my brother killed himself last year and I am in school studying social work. I realize now that we were on nobody’s radar, no one knew we needed to be saved but if I had called the police just once, someone would have known. Good for Angelina for getting the kids out of there.

      • NotSoSocialButterfly says:

        @totally old, @Kelsey,

        I’m sorry that you, too, have grown up with dv issues. It is so prevalent, yet still so under the radar. I know many, many others here have painful memories, and I truly wish the best for you two and everyone affected.

      • Em says:

        Yeah, I’ve been there too. My parents fought a lot when I was growing up and it was terrifying, especially when things got physically violent. My instinct was always to protect my mother, and obviously as you get older, the more equipped you become to step in (whether physically or calling the police.)

        This is especially true with boys because once they hit their teenage years, they realise they’re physically capable of defending their mother. Once my brother turned 15, the dynamic in my family really changed. I still vividly remember watching my younger brother punch my dad in the face – he ended up breaking my dad’s nose – after my dad got drunk and became violent towards my mother.

        For me, it was sort of a relief because I felt so powerless to protect my mum and finally there was someone who could control my dad, But on the other hand, it puts an awful burden upon the kid and I know it totally changed the dynamic between my brother and my father. I just feel so incredibly sad for the Jolie Pitt kids, and Maddox in particular. The whole thing is awful.

      • North of Boston says:

        I’ve been there too, trying to step between an angry abusive father and my mother. And watching my older siblings do the same too. In his rages, he would often rip the phone off the wall if any of us made a move to call for help. (this was before cell phones)

        My family also had the issue that our father was kind of a local “celebrity” who was adored by many people in the community. So we kids all felt pressure to gloss things over, and not say or do anything that would have harmed his reputation. And we had to listen to many many many people go on and on about how wonderful he was, how he really helped them when they were kids/young adults…while we knew what he was like behind closed doors. I can’t even imagine how the Jolie-Pitt kids must feel, with their father being a well-regarded celebrity world-wide. I at least could move away from my home town. These kids have to deal with their family’s public image everywhere.

        Sad that these kids have had to go through that. Whatever the issues between Brad and Angie, no parent should be that out of control / enraged in front of their kids.

      • NotSoSocialButterfly says:

        @North of Boston- me, too. The good doctor, who founded the town’s intensive care unit. In situations like ours, where the abuser is well known and respected in the community, it feels even more surreal and insane, because his reputation is such a cloak of invisibility, and diametrically opposed to who he really is. It can feel so hopeless at times, and you can begin to question your own moral fiber regarding your instinct toward him and intervening. My best to you.

      • NotSoSocialButterfly says:

        I’m sorry, and glad for you that your brother stepped in. What he did should have changed the dynamic between him and your father. Your father was wrong. I do agree that being the protector is a burden, but just living in that kind of environment robs children of their childhoods, and your brother doing what he did recognized that and the need to create some kind of normalcy. I hope you both went on to develop strong and healthy boundaries. All the best to you.

      • North of Boston says:

        @NotSo, sorry you had to go through that too. It *was* surreal at times, because so many people thought so highly of him, and we kids witnessed him being so kind to other people, often at our family’s expense (too many stories of that to tell here)

        Hugs to you, and to everyone here who has gone through something like this.

        Reading the comments on one hand makes me feel better, since it confirms my family was not alone dealing with things like this. But it also makes me really sad, too. How many parents have been shitty to their spouses and kids like this? And how many more are doing harm today? SMH
        I think I may have to steer clear of future threads about the Pitt-Jolies, because even though my mom, my siblings and I are all doing great today, it is just too heart-wrenching to read about another family going through that kind of angst.

      • NotSoSocialButterfly says:

        Hugs back to you, my friend… I wish you well.

    • GreenieWeenie says:

      Yup. My siblings and I were those kids intervening many a time, and it usually began right around that age (mid-teens). That’s a kid who’s seen his parents fight before, and who’s finally big enough to do something about it.

      The WORST part is when afterwards, the parents deny any abuse happened at all (“It was just an argument”). So I’m glad Angie drew a line in the sand and walked away.

      • Rose says:

        what I find gross is the wording of Brad’s statement:
        He is emphatic that it did not reach the level of physical abuse, that no one was physically harmed. He did not hit his child in the face in any way… He put his hands on him, yes, because the confrontation was nose to nose and was spiraling out of control.”
        Nose to Nose as if that’s an equal fight and somehow justified?!? What the F does ‘nose to nose’ mean? Maddox isn’t that tall yet? it makes me feel so icky and sad and ‘putting hands on’ must mean Brad’s pushed him violently out of the way at least, and to think that Brad’s team think there’s a distinction between that and ‘physical violence’ is mind blowing.

      • qwerty says:

        Lainey says the — “He put his hands on him, yes, because the confrontation was nose to nose and was spiraling out of control.” — part has been deleted now. Haven’t checked.

    • Carmen says:

      I’m betting he’s had a substance abuse problem for years and is in deep denial about it.

      I’m still not believing his account of whatever happened. It’s too self-serving. Nobody calls CPS if an incident involved only shouting and yelling — unless he made some verbal threats against Angie and/or Maddox.

      To me, the most disturbing part of the whole incident is that it was bad enough for the plane to have to make an unscheduled landing in Minnesota. The kids must have been terrified.

      • DiamondGirl says:

        Where does anyone say it was an unscheduled landing? The plane needed to refuel.

      • Chloeee says:

        This is tough. I’ve been Maddox in this situation before. My dad has never beat my but verbally and emotionally abusive? Yes. Recently he caused a scene in a professional setting and did actually push me. My mom would’ve flipped had she physically witnessed it and I know for sure if other people saw it they would’ve seriously reacted in a way that would make them concerned that a parent and child were fighting this way regardless that I am an adult. This is something we’ve dealt with for a long time is my dads volatility when drinking. My mom has always asked us not to defend her but it’s hard when your Saint of a mother is taking unnecessary rudeness from anyone let alone your dad. Now, on that note my man has NEVER done anything like this but you bet your ass it happens once with our kids, I am out. I’ve made that abundantly clear and one time he got drunk and said something that sounded like my dad and I hit the roof. So yes, it is also possible that Jolie has zero tolerance for this kind of behavior due to her upbringing and the fact her kid is involved I understand this knee jerk reaction. Need more details but I could see how something like this could happen with there being truth to both sides. There’s no excuse for getting physical with your kids and even if Pitt just shoved Maddox, that would be enough to put my relationship on the chopping block if I were her, and Pitt would need to get his sh*t together.

      • Carmen says:

        A landing to refuel would have been in the flight plan.

        And what size was the jet? A commercial size jet can fly non-stop from Paris to LA without refueling at all. I was on a flight from NYC to Kuala Lumpur that only stopped once in Dubai.

    • yolo112 says:

      This story hits home for many of us, it seems. I too grew up in a volatile environment and when my marriage escalated to these heights, I left. I walked away from what everyone saw as the perfect life, big house, nice cars, financially stable. I just quit it. I walked away with my kids, clothes and a handful of personal items. For the last year, I’ve struggled to get some normalcy, fighting through a long, expensive, shitty divorce. But it was the best decision I could have ever made. Not for me, but for my kids. I refuse to let them be emotionally and possibly physically scarred from the actions of a selfish, careless adult. My children come before everyone. Period.
      Angie is my hero. Like Amber Heard, I hope Angie’s actions give women in similar situations courage to make a change. I hope women in these situations find strength to put their children first.
      Fuq, this story is so heartbreaking. I wish the best for them all…

      • Aims says:

        I believe that Brad got drunk and got abusive and Maddox felt that need to protect his mother. 100%, Maddox was feeling his mom was being threaten and jumped in to defend her. This behavior plays out in more homes then not. Angie knew this had to stop and immediately went into action . I also find the sentence , ” Angie knows what buttons to push and she pushes them.” Highly problematic and a classic line an abuser says to not take responsibility .

        I said it yesterday , I’m so proud Angie for putting her children first. Although I doubt that this was a first time thing.

    • stinky says:

      Flying home from France on one’s private jet… “U mad bro? What’s to fight about in your dream-life?”
      then my next thought was, maybe they ARE fighting about Marion, about the fired nanny, about AJ’s suspicions, and about all the stuff she KNOWS he’s up to. … he was already in counseling – so they were on the rocks – so none of this is outta the blue. But it makes sense that shes filed for sole custody to save face & save the kids & save him somewhat too… They can all reconcile one day if they choose — but you do NOT want CPS getting involved – what a sh&tmess that is. Sorry. Not a fan of CPS and their judgements about ANYthing. Too many horror stories!

    • isabelle says:

      Maybe he isn’t really happy at all. People self medicate their loneliness or if they want to get out of a marriage….or he is an addict. Anyone that needs to smoke weed daily and drinks on top of it may have addiction problems. Addiction can make anyone aggressive and volatile it messes up your brain.

  3. Mew says:

    She allows the media work for her. But this certainly doesn’t look good on Brad.

    • Rhea says:

      Surprisingly, most of the people still siding with Pitt and not even giving the benefit of doubt to Jolie as she’s the public “villain”. Everything seems to be her fault. From not staying in the marriage and helping him sort his mess out, to not letting Brad “disciplining” the kids. Sigh.

    • Colette says:

      Well for all the people who claims she manipulates the media.He stayed with her and benefited from her “manipulating the media” for almost 12 years.So what does that say about him?

  4. Betti says:

    I actually kinda believe this is how it went down, esp as TMZ are reporting that she would never have left him for substance abuse or cheating. I don’t think things have been happy between them for a long time but this does not excuse any sort of altercation between a child or parent. Of course Maddox is going to defend his mother – maybe the kids were just fed up with the arguing and he wanted it to stop. As for why they were arguing – who knows but again i don’t think it had anything do to with his alleged cheating.

    And as for who called the cops/CPS – I’ll wager it was one of the kids, possibly Maddox in anger for the altercation between him and his father. I have witness this with my own family, a teenage boy calling the police on his father who got in the middle of his parents arguing and cried child abuse when his father man handled him out of room to calm the situation when things got out of control.

    • dandelion says:

      according to the source a non-family member called the CPS. whatever it was, it wasn’t just a regular row

      • Colette says:

        I think if he admitted he has a drinking problem,went into a program,had anger management classes,there is hope.

        My main issue is he seemed to be out of control on a plane.You are admittedly drunk in front of your kids.I am so shocked someone in his camp would admit he was drunk,intoxicated.
        I was on a plane once and two adults started screaming at each other and I almost had a panic attack.But I am projecting my anxiety issue with my claustrophobia.
        But like I said before,it’s possible 90 percent Brad is a great parent.But when gets drunk and/or uses weed he can’t control his anger so he needs to stop getting drunk.

      • Pat says:

        who on earth could have anger issues after smoking a sweet big fat joint? no clue how that’s possible: I say its alcohol.

      • jjva says:

        lol @ Pat. Right? It’s way too much energy to be mad when you’re high.

    • Luca76 says:

      I’m thinking it was someone on the plane such as the pilot or staff.I think that call was the game changer in the way this had to play out on Angelina’s end.

      • Seraphina says:

        Completely agree. The authorities being called in completely did change AJ’s strategy. And I’ve heard that there may have been the issue of the kids being put into protective services. So the thought was probably: the kids or Brad? 6 young lives. And she did what any mother would do in her shoes.

        The sad truth is that no is immune to this scenario. AJ is lucky she has the means to do what is necessary and many women do not have that comfort or luxury.

        And I also agree that who they are does not make life any different, on certain levels, then ours. They are still susceptible to the ails of all humans.

        This is an ugly situation and I’m still floored by it. And how the rumors about Marion and JA are being flung around just cease to amaze me.

      • Tris says:

        Ugh. Seraphina, do you mean that she might have been told: “Keep them away from him, or we will take them from you.”?
        No contest, of course. But so awful and sad.

      • Colette says:

        They generally travel with teachers and nannies,it’s possible one of them called.I don’t know the confidentiality rules with people who work for these celebrities.

      • Artemis says:

        Yeah if there was a teacher or nanny witnessing the abuse, they have a duty to report it. An NDA doesn’t matter in cases like that.

      • Lolita says:

        I have a friend who was told by TX CPS straight out “Divorce him or lose your child”. He was found resoundly NOT guilty. It’s definitely a tactic they use even in the beginnings of investigations.

      • Seraphina says:

        @tris, not sure if it’s true or not but some news sources have said that may have been what it boiled down to for her to pull this so quickly and blind side Brad.

      • Unoriginal Commenter says:

        Collette, mandated reporting overrides any confidentiality agreement. As it should. So you are 100% correct, it could have been a teacher, or childcare provider.

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      Re: “a teenage boy calling the police on his father who got in the middle of his parents arguing and cried child abuse when his father man handled him out of room to calm the situation when things got out of control.”

      Teenaged boys who “get in the middle” are likely trying to protect and defend their mothers. A father who “man handles” is likely pushing and shoving, and was likely the reason things were out of control in the first place.

      That boy might have been well within his rights to call the police, both for how the father was relating to his mother and for how the father “man handled” him.

      “Man handling” is a big problem. What a euphemism.

  5. Zapp Brannigan says:

    “I was very drunk and never hit my child in the face” is not a great defense really is it?Yet people after reading that statement are still blaming AJ for this. I am tapping out of this it is just too sad. Team kids.

    • greenmonster says:

      Exactly. I can’t believe anyone thought this would be a good defense. Who is responsible writing this and who read it and said “Yip, this is good. Puts everything in perspective. Could you put in “emphatic” one more time? But other than that, it makes Brad look better again. Well done!” ??????????

    • PunkyMomma says:

      I’m out of this, too. Please add me to Team Kids.

      • Shannon1972 says:

        Me too. Team kids all the way.

        What is wrong with these men?? Were they always this way, or did they become twisted somehow? It’s shocking that Pitt and Depp (my teenage crushes), who seemed opposites, are actually two sides of the same coin.

    • NotSoSocialButterfly says:

      Yes, the wording of that third paragraph of his side’s statement made me feel ill.

    • Scal says:

      Yea i had a coworker argue -‘If he’s being accused of hitting a kid he’s just responding to what’s out there. Everyone is making him out to be a bad guy and she’s a saint If she thought he was abusive she wouldn’t have just filed for joint legal custody’

      Ugh. This whole thing makes me sick. Something happened, she filed for divorce right away, filed for sole physical custody, he admits to being drunk and getting in a child’s face and somehow SHE’S still the one that’s in the wrong.

      • notasugarhere says:

        That is how it is playing out on the many Jolie-hating boards. “She trapped him” “She did it deliberately” “She baited him”.

        No matter how this plays out, she will always be in the wrong to some people.

      • Who ARE These People? says:

        Those “some people” are people who are ignorant of the dynamics of abuse and/or perpetuating it themselves.

      • Colette says:

        She provoked him
        She pushed his buttons
        She drove him to drink
        She is evil
        It’s always she,she,she.

      • NotSoSocialButterfly says:

        Does your friend realize that legal custody refers to sharing decision making, whereas physical custody is with whom the children reside ? You might want to clarify that for her.

    • Don't kill me I'm French says:

      Totally agree.All I see is that even Pitt’ s source confirms the “incident “.
      I don’t see why it is a good defense .Drunk or not ,it is not an excuse

    • Kitten says:

      Yeah can we not make this a #team thing?

      (I’m not directing that to you, just generally speaking)

      From my perspective, this was a domestic situation that got out of control. Pitt was at fault and is taking responsibility for his actions, at least to some degree. You can’t force the guy into anger management or rehab, but the fact that he is reticent is a small step in the right direction.

      I’m sad for everyone involved, especially the kids. It seems like Brad and Angie have been locked in a toxic pattern for a while now and this was the final straw.

      I don’t know…this whole thing bums me out. But for some reason, I can’t hate on Brad. I’m not going to parse every word of his lawyer’s statement and try to fill in the blanks with what *might* have happened. None of us was there. But I absolutely believe that Angie felt like she had no choice, which leads me to believe that Brad has likely been displaying volatile/erratic behavior for a while now. Again, just so sad…

      • HeatherAnn says:

        I so completely agree with this comment. I don’t know, somehow you articulated what I was thinking. I’m ridiculously sad about this and I don’t even like Angelina! I feel sad for him and for her, and I agree that at least he is taking some responsibility. He gets that he was wrong, at least to some extent. Maybe they will be able to work something out that is good for all of them.

      • swak says:

        Totally agree. I think it was also the last straw. If I’m going to be anything it is #teamkids.

      • t.fanty says:

        This is a terrific point. Pitt always struck me as a fundamentally decent human and I thought would like to think that for every douchebag Depp out there, there is a man for whom this is a wake up call. My dad drank heavily and cheated on my mum for years, and when she left him, it shook him up, and he fixed his problems and they worked it out, and they were happy. I hope he takes full responsibility and fixes his problems.

      • Greenie says:

        Yeah, I’m not totally hating on him yet too. Yet being the key word. But I come from a clan of emotional people who like to eat, drink, and party. In heated moments, people can definitely get in each other’s faces and things can get crazy, but nothing truly dangerous ever really happens and in almost every case, people make up in the end. I guess this is why I’m not exactly clutching my pearls over this incident–yet. So far, it looks to me like things got very highly charged and emotional, but it’s not the end of the world, and it’s still fixable.

        Also, I find it hard to believe that Angelina would have stood for a long term pattern of spousal or child abuse so it seems to me that incidents like this would be isolated. Again, just spitballing. No one here really knows for sure what happened. I just want to see video or get a statement from the cops.

      • tealily says:

        Well put, Kitten. I’ve never been hugely invested in these two as a couple, and have generally been more of a Pitt fan than Jolie, but this whole thing top to bottom just sounds complicated and sad. It’s probably better the family as a whole that they split up.

      • naughtycorner says:

        @ Kitten I always look forward to your balanced comments (you and GNAT) where is she ? hope she is well )
        I actually like Jolie but it got to a point where i couldn’t enjoy a post on her in piece here due to the somewhat unhinged behavior of some her fans with their deification of her &and the never ending 12 yo triangle of doom.
        i think she is human and i feel for her and her family (especially the kids) at this time already we have the saint Angie and brave Angie narrative and we dont know everything
        The whole thing is messy and Im sad it was not dealt with out of the media eye cant believe I am actually missing Gwyneths pretentious conscious uncoupling right about now

      • Little Darling says:

        I said it downstream, but it’s not good when you feel like your buttons are constantly being pushed, and your home life has brought out the worst in you so much so that you need to be inebriated around them. When your anger boils over so much so that you can’t distinguish between good healthy parenting boundaries and lashing out/disobeying personal space. He is appearing to be a very deeply unhappy man with some demons. Whether they are situational (unhappy marriage woes) or he’s always had them, it’s clear that for whatever reason, at this point in his life, he isn’t dealing properly and that has to be dealt with.

        Since we’ve never heard a single thing about his dependency issues or his anger issues, I am hopeful that this is a one off due to increasingly unhappy circumstances and he will straighten his act out stat and fix his relationship with Angie and the kids so they can all move forward in a healthy way.

        Kids are forgiving and resilient for the most part. If he didn’t have a lifetime of fucking up around them there is a very good chance he can salvage the relationship with all of them if he gets the proper help he needs.

      • popup says:

        Same. I just feel sorry for everyone involved, most of all the kids, followed by Angie and then by Brad. I see two dysfunctional adults who still love each other (according to the “reports”) and love their kids (self evident). But Brad clearly has a drinking problem that he needs to address before he can be brought back into the family fold, in whatever shape that takes in the future. Just so sad. I was Maddox growing up and my heart goes out to the younger kids, for whom the fighting and erratic, drunken behavior must have been terrifying.

      • Plewas says:

        Brad was banging julliette Lewis when she was 16 and he was 27, so he’s always had a sketch side to him. This is a whole different situation of course. But I still think his beauty has allowed him to get away with a lot of shut for a long time.

      • Tanya says:

        I dunno. I’m not seeing remorse or atonement in his statement. Just blame-shifting and excuses.

        I was physically abused as a child. Given his origins, I think it’s very likely that he was spanked at the very least as well. The first time I felt the urge to hit my child, I got myself into therapy. I did not try to normalize it and blame external forces. It was about me and my programming and took steps to fix it. I’m not seeing that from him.

      • Nicole says:

        Kitten is always such a good commenter. When lurking, I always agree with almost all your statements.

        I theorized this as a potential situation or many yesterday in the comments, and unfortunately for me, I was right. The only difference was I added pill popping to the mix, and Brad’s statement didn’t. So sad, and I had hoped neither of my theories was accurate for the kids sake.

        I feel like Brad and Angelina’s relationship has always been what I call “obsessive love”. Almost everyone in their lives have had that relationship, where you think you love someone so much, that it becomes obsessive in nature. Hyper extreme emotions that some call passionate. One minute, love is all around, the next a terrible row. There is no calm in these relationships. If anything, it brings the worse elements of each other out. This isn’t really love, but a fixation that people confuse with love because they are led to believe that everyone should have love like this. These relationships almost NEVER last because its completely unhealthy. Love should be easy and comforting. And to me, with everything Angelina has said about their relationship, I feel that they are in the mist of an obsessive type love. Their kids, and themselves, would be better off split up. Witnessing those extremes can do so much harm to the kids.

      • paleokifaru says:

        Agreed Kitten. And Little Darling I totally understand what you’re saying too – and that it in no way blames AJ for his bad reaction. But when you’re in a rough patch with a partner who knows you well OR in a generally toxic relationship, it is very easy for one or both of you to hit below the belt where you know it’s going to hurt. And you’re right that if that’s been going on for an extended period of time then one or both people are likely to not be handling their reactions well and it can spiral. And let’s be honest – sometimes divorce DOES solve this. Sometimes it’s the wake up call that one or both partners need and the space away from each other and the negativity allows them to regain control and better themselves. And that’s even true for situations where there actually is someone who was straight up wrong and the other was right because getting out of that brings a whole new level of clarity and strength to you. So I agree it’s just sad all around and hopefully the split helps everyone out.

      • almondmilk says:


        Brad is 9.5 yrs older than Lewis. She’s 43, he’s 52. She was born in June 1973 and he was born at end of 1963 in Dec. From what I’ve read, they met and eventually started dating in 1990. She was 17, and he was 26.

        Saying she was 16, and he was 27 is impossible.

        Do the math based on birthdates.

        Do I think a 17-18YO should date guys/gals in mid to late 20s? Not a great idea, but then I would encourage most young people, male and female, to avoid serious intimate committed relationships until they’re older. For the simple reason it’s a big wide world and why have the responsibility of that on your shoulders (another person’s happiness) from such a young age.

        To imply Brad was somehow a chester the molester is out of bounds. Namely we don’t know when they got intimate during the time frame 1990-1993. Was she 17, or 18? We don’t know.

      • Kori says:

        I totally agree. This whole thing makes me sad. I just hope that the family (not the marriage) can heal. But the speculation and the hardening of viewpoints before really anything is also making me a bit sick to my stomach. The celebitchy story quotes the People story as ‘Brad’s official version’. We can assume whatever we like about stars and their leaking but that story uses the word source/sources NINE times. NOTHING is on the record or ‘official’ in any way. Very little is concretely known–‘sources’ aren’t really anything. The mags use them all the time for a variety of stuff. We don’t know that Brad or Angelina are saying anything to anybody. The only thing we know from them is the divorce filing, the statements from their lawyers and statements from the LAPD, etc…Everything else is just unknown and seeing statements painting Angie as a lying control freak or Brad as a rage-monster who beats his kids is sad. One, both or neither–or worse–could turn out to be true but we just don’t know anything right now. But in this thread already people are staying this is Brad’s official version or his lawyer’s statement–gossip being accepted as fact.

    • Sayrah says:

      It sounds bad because I’m guessing his team is about to have him checking into rehab. If he can blame his behavior on alcohol instead of his innate anger and violence then they’re hoping a quick luxury trip to passways or whatever that celeb rehab place will “fix” everything. It’s telling that AJ is insisting he got drunk after the incident and was sober during.

      This story makes me feel so icky. I breaks my heart that mattox had to stand up for AJ against his father. I’ve always liked Brad. I really like both of them but even yesterday I was trying to imagine a scenario where he spanked a child and she’s so anti-spanking that she overreacted. I was so wrong.

    • Little Darling says:

      I actually don’t think they’re putting it out as a defense. I think he’s trying to be as honest as possible by explaining what this was and was not.

      Because he was drunk he might have rambled lunged. All wrong but he’s not denying things, not is he really protecting himself. He seems to just be explaining and leaving it at that.

  6. Luca76 says:

    Ugh his version is soo damning. He really just sounds so deeply in denial. This is really sad. I just wish he’d check himself in somewhere and get some flipping help. I also believe that Angie’s hands were tied about the way this had to go down after the incident. I don’t think she’d call CPS. It’s way too much bad publicity for them both. Once CPS was involved I believe she had to leave him and I think she was aggressive about getting her side out there because she’d known it was going public regardless. So much is made about him not being able to talk to or see the kids but that always happens in these cases. The difference being if she stayed on the compound with Brad the children would have been removed and in the foster system.

    • Placebo says:

      I agree. This is really sad.

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      Yes, good analysis.

    • ELX says:

      She was out of there the second he put his hands on her son. (Does Pitt really think it looks better that he didn’t take a swing at the kid?) She probably spent the remainder of the flight organizing an emergency rental and planning what the kids and nannies would need to pack.

      • Jwoolman says:

        Yes, of course he thinks it looks better that he didn’t actually punch his oldest, because it really was better. It shows he wasn’t trying to beat on the kid and shows some restraint. That’s good, not bad.

        But when your 15 year old son feels the need to get between you and his mother, even if you just tried to push him away, you had better take it as a very serious wake up call that you are barely in control and things could quickly become much worse. Maddox went into defense mode for good reason. Brad needs to take this as a sign that his anger, with or without alcohol or other drugs, has already gotten past his ability to deal with it alone and he has indeed become a danger to his children. Maddox is not likely to let his father threaten his mother again in his presence, so there will be other confrontations. He’s not full grown yet but he’s gradually coming into his adult strength, and in particular he has decided enough is enough and he won’t let his dad threaten his mom physically or verbally unimpeded.

        I hope Brad gets the help he needs to sort all this out and learns how to manage his emotions more constructively. His son actually did him a great favor, and so did whoever reported the incident. Hope Brad has people around him who understand how serious this incident is and what it really means, and how much he stands to lose if he doesn’t deal with whatever is eating him.

    • Artemis says:

      Yes, I think the failure of her parent’s marriage and how it affected her mom made her pick a man that was perfect in regards to fatherhood. The truth about her marriage’s dysfunction (no matter how recent or historical) with the CPS investigation pretty much forced her to make a decision now instead of maybe waiting until ‘it gets better’. I think she’s very strong but she always said that without Pitt there wouldn’t probably be more kids so I doubt she’s not absolutely shattered that her family is broken up now despite believing in her decision.
      Maybe now Pitt will realise he’s the problem that needs sorting out.

    • TotallyOld says:

      Great points Luca. I concur with your thoughts on how this went down.

  7. Heat says:

    If this is how Team Pitt seeks to soften the perception, then the truth must be pretty bad.

    A. Getting into an argument with your spouse in front of your children is one thing; getting into an argument that is so heated that one of your children feels the need to step in and protect his mother, is quite another.
    B. Using ‘drunkenness’ and ‘she knows how to push my buttons’ as excuses, are classic abuser tactics.
    C. Everything about this situation is so sad.

    Team: Jolie-PittKids!

    • Heat says:

      Also, I meant to add:
      He’s saying he was drunk at the time of the incident. Since when is being drunk an EXCUSE for verbally/physically assaulting a child???

      • greenmonster says:

        He was drunk and she pushed his buttons. So none of this was his fault. Bad, bad alcohol and bad, bad Angelina – if it wouldn’t be for them, Brad would be such an angel.

    • Lahdidahbaby says:

      “Pushing my Buttons”: the oldest bullshit excuse in the Abuse Book.

      • Tiny Martian says:

        Exactly, Lahdidahbaby. Whenever I hear that expression, I just roll my eyes. Saying that someone “knows how to push your buttons” is a pretty clear statement that the person speaking knows that they have issues that trigger an exaggerated response. And when that is the case, it is completely up to that person to deal with those issues, and to be especially careful when someone else brings them up. No excuses!

      • The Other Katherine says:

        IT-f’n-A, Lahdidahbaby. As soon as I read the button-pushing thing, I thought, “Right, Brad’s been verbally abusing AJ for years, but probably not the kids, Maddox got fed up and stepped in, Brad shoved Maddox, AJ had her red line crossed and got woke up, and a crew member reported the whole episode. Got it.”

        The use of that abuser’s cliché in a supposedly pro-Pitt statement speaks oh-so-many volumes. I used to be a fan, but I am done with him. For the sake of his kids, I hope he goes to rehab.

      • Embee says:

        “Pushing my buttons” = “How dare she tell me the things I don’t want to hear!”


      • jjva says:

        Tiny Martian,

        “Saying that someone “knows how to push your buttons” is a pretty clear statement that the person speaking knows that they have issues that trigger an exaggerated response. And when that is the case, it is completely up to that person to deal with those issues, and to be especially careful when someone else brings them up. No excuses!”

        This is so well said! We should print it out and post it to lampposts and stuff.

    • OhHellNo! says:

      @heat, I was just coming on to say this exact thing, if kids are used to their parents arguing they usually stick in the old earphones to drown out the row, the fact that Maddox felt the need to physically insert himself between his mom and dad speaks volumes, he felt it necessary to protect his mom, a verbal threat of violence may have been issued by Brad causing Maddox to react instinctively. The very fact that Brad proceeded to have an intense nose to nose confrontation with his son speaks volumes, I would have been absolutely shocked if one of my parents had ever done that to me, it is so aggressive and intimidating to yell at a child in that way so just that behaviour by Brad leaves me utterly sickened and to be honest if I had been in Angie’s shoes I would have left his sorry ass sitting on the tarmac.
      My own fathers dad was an abusive man and when my father was 11 years old he had to defend his own mom when his father punched her whilst she was holding her newborn baby, the man was a bare knuckle boxer! My dad picked up a coal iron and broke the son of a bitches arm. I never even had a cross word from my dad, my heart aches for these kids but I know Angie is a good mom and she will support them to the max.

      • marymoon says:

        ITA. Had it been me, I’d have left him pissing on the tarmac in Minnesota.

        edit: he’s apparently looking to hire crisis management – I’ll offer this for free: dude, STFU and get into rehab, today.
        The more he talks the worse he makes himself look.

      • OhHellNo! says:

        Crisis management for real? The only things he needs is a good kick up the ass, rehab and a conscience may serve him well.

  8. yellowrocket says:

    I always thought Angelina and Mad had a special bond and the thoughts of that young man standing in front of his mother, protecting her from a drunk man twice the size of him is heart breaking.

    I can totally see why she left if Brad was screaming in his face instead of backing the hell away like he should have. There’s no excuse for that.

    Also his carefully worded leak says he didn’t strike mad. Not that he didn’t push or shake him which is just as bad.

    • dandelion says:

      It just says he “didn’t hit him in the face” like..? this is oddly specific and an answer to a question no one asked. I haven’t seen anything about his child’s face being hit before he brought it up.

      • Carmen says:

        Why would anyone call CPS if the incident only involved shouting and yelling? There must have been more than that happening.

      • Colette says:

        I’ve noticed some people like to distinguish between pushing someone,grabbing someone and actually hitting someone.My aunt always said her husband didn’t”hit her”.But “he pushed” her onto a wall,he”grabbed her” and she fell on a dresser.But he didn’t”hit her”

      • tealily says:

        It reminds me of when I was a little kid fighting with my brother and told my mom “I didn’t kick him, I pushed him with my foot.”

      • Lucrezia says:

        @ dandelion: exactly! Why on earth did Brad specify that he didn’t hit him [Maddox] in the face? That is weirdly specific. Everyone else seems to be parsing that as implying Brad “just” grabbed his shoulders or pushed him or something, but with Brad’s statement being SO specific, I’m wondering if perhaps Brad grabbed/held Maddox’s face (by the chin? by the ears?) to shout at him “nose to nose”.

    • Annie says:

      I thought the same.

      • Lahdidahbaby says:

        Yes. It’s easy to picture him grabbing Mad, maybe throwing him aside. It’s too fecking easy to say “I never hit him/her” when there are lots of ways of being violent — PHYSICALLY violent — other than hitting. And there are many other kinds of violence than physical: verbal abuse, threats, shunning, degrading, isolating, etc.

        I’ve never been a huge Jolie fan, but she was right to separate herself and the kids from Brad under the circumstances. I just don’t know if the public way she did it is fair to the kids. It has put the whole lot of them under a kind of public scrutiny that is in itself a kind of torture. No kid should have to live with that.

      • Carmen says:

        Once the divorce papers were filed, the whole thing was out there. I think she went public to get ahead of the tabloids.

      • Who ARE These People? says:

        She only went public because CPS was called — it forced her hand. As others have pointed out, there would have been a possibility the children would have been removed from the home otherwise. She did the right thing and she stood up for her kids. Abuse does not present its victims with good choices — there are only bad choices, and she made the best of the bad choices available to her.

      • Little Darling says:

        Anyone can call CPS. It very likely could have been someone on her team, her assistant etc. It also can be done later, it doesn’t have to be reported in the heat of the moment. And once they’re involved, an investigation has to occur no matter what.

    • B n A fn says:

      I remember Angie saying Mad is very protective of her. Also, how can he be nose to nose with Brad who is about 6′ tall to mad who maybe about 5’4″, in looking at pictures of him. If Brad know what’s good for him he should come clean, do not lie or pass the blame and get some help for his drinking.

      There are lots of story out there about him drinking and smoking weed. Brad was always saying he wanted a big family. I remember him saying he wanted a soccer team. I’m guessing he forget children grows up and it takes more patience and time as they get older. I remember years ago him saying Angie was always doing so much at night to get all the children to bed and he felt bad and got up off the couch and go read a bed time story to some of the kids. He also mentioned that they did not anyone nanny sleeping over at night they did everything.

      I’m guessing he became overwhelm and started drinking more and more and slipped down that slippery slope of addiction. I believe he’s a decent man with a problem that he must take care of if he wants his kids in his life. Cut the b s and be in his children’s life.

      Btw, I have to give MADD ❤️For looking out for his mom.

      • Esmom says:

        I had a therapist who once told me that it’s very common for parents to turn to alcohol to cope with parenting when it’s stressful. My own FB feed is filled with parents posting things like huge glasses of wine and saying “is it 5:00 yet?” I have two kids and have found it to be way more stressful than I ever would have imagined, especially as they get older. So I can’t imagine how I would even begin to deal with six.

        Hopefully even with their parents apart, the family can find a way to move on from this peacefully.

      • Lady Mimosa says:

        When he got into this Brad had an idealistic view of kids. All of the sudden he had 6,some people can’t handle 2 .
        Angie has always been about her kids, I am surprised she kept him around this long. Alcohol has a more intense affect on the brain in middle age. A lot of people tend to lay off that stuff or get worse,there is no middle.

      • Artemis says:

        I don’t think either of them understood the impact of that many kids plus then Jolie’s early menopause and 2 teenagers? Pitt cracked I suppose but Jolie has always been the strong one.

        And they didn’t plan on twins either! Jolie said that with the twins they did have help at night because they became ‘loopy’. They said how hard it was to find ‘mommy and daddy time’. They rarely went out with ALL the kids. Maximum 4 at a time, as many as they could hold hands with :).
        Pitt said he liked to be alone sometimes when his work took him away from home but quickly missed the noise.

        They had so many kids because they felt they could do it when they were still young and had the energy but kids grow up and they got older too of course so even with all the help, juggling great careers (more than 1 for the both of them!) with kids can be too much and they hinted a bit at it in the past. Not that either of them would ever really state it explicitly.

        You can love your kids but still know you overplayed your hand. I mean they only had kids right from the start of their relationship. Now that the chaos of that is over, they are dealing with teenagers, Jolie’s early menopause and Pitt is still doing loads of films. And the constant relocating! I never saw their lives as the fantasy they liked to portray.

      • Tulip Garden says:

        Thanks for this analysis. This is the way that I view/viewed the relationship too. It all sounded like rainbows and unicorns in their younger selves but reality can, and sometimes does, bite. It doesn’t make them horrible people, just very idealistic. Too idealistic actually considering their respective ages when they got together.
        I think they were kind of boxed in by their own myth-making. I imagine that that alone put enormous pressure on them to seem “perfect”.

    • Missy says:

      I agree. The image of sweet Maddox standing in front of his mother during a fight…. just, argh. It hurts too much. My day has been ruined.

    • Tara says:

      Exactly… and doesn’t the statement actually say Brad didn’t hit him *in the face*? Oh good, well at least it wasn’t the face. /s

      Very sad all around.

  9. greenmonster says:

    THAT is his defensive? Brad is emphatic because he didn’t his son, he just put his hands on Maddox?

    “The source says Pitt did not hurt his son… that no one was physically harmed.” So no one was physically harmed, what about emotiontionally? Or is that less important? How can they say, Pitt did not hurt Maddox (or any of the other children if there were witnessing the fight)?

    Maddox stepped in between his parents, because he thought he had to protect his mother! A 15 year old who thinks he has to protect his mother, but no harm was done. Sure.

    • MrsBPitt says:

      I keep thinking that this situation must have been so much scarier to the kids while this is happening on an airplane…nowhere to go….nowhere to hide…my heart breaks for those poor kids….

    • Tara says:

      @Greenmonster: Exactly. And I’m surprised people see this as taking responsibility for his actions. The statement is heavy with passive language, minimizing and SHE LIES.

      And others are saying his “buttons are being pushed?” What the what?!!!

    • pinetree13 says:

      Exactly. What an incredibly weak defense. So can people stop DEMONIZING Angie now? Yeesh, some of the things I’ve read being said about her are just really demoralizing. Like I didn’t realize that in 2016 if a marriage doesn’t work out it’s ALWAYS the woman’s fault for crying out loud.
      Ironically, if a woman doesn’t leave an emotionally damaging marriage and the children end up mentally harmed…these same people then denounce and scorn her for staying or not leaving sooner.

  10. LOT says:

    The fact that their son “got caught in the middle” of them speaks volumes about the kind of argument they were having and who was the party needing help.

    • Rachael says:

      YES. EXACTLY. Children seldom involve themselves in their parents’ arguments unless they see what they believe is an active threat. A 15 year old boy feeling that he needs to physically shield his mother by placing himself in front of her is one of the biggest red flags in this article.

      • Kate says:

        THIS. I’m not an Angelina Jolie fan but a teenager doesn’t shield a parent unless there’s a damn good reason. It must have been very scary being in an enclosed space for hours with this insanity. I feel terrible for the kids.

      • Missy says:

        100℅ Rachael and LOT.

  11. D says:

    “He and Angelina fought a lot recently, and she knows how to push his buttons.” -That is one very triggering sentence (at least for me), the next thing he will say is “I wouldn’t be doing this if you didn’t push me”.

    • Insomniac says:

      Yeah, that made my hair stand on end.

    • Fallon says:

      Yes. That is a HORRIFYING statement.

      As a functioning adult, you can get mad and you can get frustrated, but YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO PHYSICALLY CONTROL YOURSELF.

    • Kitten says:

      Yeah that part sucked.
      But the statement also said that he’s made a lot of mistakes and that he knows he needs to be better. I mean, this IS a divorce and custody is at stake. It behooves him to make himself look as good as possible and that includes releasing a statement that clearly says that he is NOT physically abusive towards his children, regardless of how we choose to read into that.

      Part of me is scared of coming off like a Pitt defender but I don’t blame the guy for trying to get his side out there. That doesn’t change the fact that I 100% support Jolie and believe she’s making the right decision. I don’t know…this whole thing sucks.

      • Little Darling says:

        I do feel sympathetic towards Brad. He has issues, they’re affecting his family, his wife, his life. Whether it was the first time or the last time, the situation for him at home is no longer loving and happy, it’s angry and aggressive and for whatever reason it has brought forth this beast of a man. That’s sad and it’s a problem.

        Perhaps Anglina does push his buttons. I know that my ex know EXACTLY where my internal emotional Bullseye is and takes no shame is striking for it whenever he can. When we were married it was his way to keep me in line. What is unacceptable is to use that as an excuse to not check your emotions, especially when kids are involved, but in general. If someone pushes your buttons to the point of angry abuse, it’s time
        to Re-evaluate that relationship!

        My take is that their relationship had become increasingly unstable and at the same time (or because of that) Brad started self medicating a bit more than is normal, happy or healthy and that became a bigger issue
        In the way he expressed displeasure. This time on the tarmac he lost it on a bigger, badder way and she was all…I’M OUT.

        She strikes me as a “the first time is the last time” kind of person.

      • Kitten says:

        @LD-Thanks for making me feel less alone. lol

        RE: the “pushing the buttons” thing…man, I SO get why people have an aversion to that phrase because we so often hear it used as a way to justify domestic violence, verbal abuse, or any kind of angry/volatile outburst.
        BUT I also understand it in terms of an unhealthy, toxic dynamic. In fact, I’ve been guilty of wielding words as a sword and hitting below the belt during times of extreme emotional pain. To me, that is “pushing buttons” in that I wanted to get a reaction, I wanted him to feel as badly as I did and I knew EXACTLY what to say to make him feel like that. I also recognize how injurious that kind of behavior is to a relationship and how hard it is to heal from that.

        I guess this is hitting home for me because I recently broke up with my BF after trying everything to make it work. We were locked in a toxic dynamic where his actions fed into mine and my resulting actions exacerbated and sustained his sh*tty behavior. It just became like a snake eating it’s tail, you know? Nobody did anything wrong, but nobody did anything really RIGHT either.

        And even though my relationship never involved any physical abuse, there were heated moments where things got….weird. And he’s a great guy, one of the best, but something about my personality brought out all of his flaws. Sometimes two good people just aren’t good together no matter how much they love each other.

        Sorry for the personal anecdote but I think my break-up is really coloring how I view the demise of their relationship. Maybe (probably) I’m projecting a lot but I just can’t fault either of them right now.

        Probably TMI but I’m also on the rag so there’s that. This morning I started tearing up over a link on FB that was all pics of military dogs so…hold me, I’m fragile lol.

      • Little Darling says:

        @kitten oh man My uterus is about to drop trousers. (SideNote: Hahaha long story short I seriously hurt my hand this summer and had a few surgeries and the pain was so immense I literally couldn’t focus on anything beyond crappy reality tv. Now that I’m feeling better I haven’t stopped and yesterday americas Got Talent had me ugly crying in heartfelt emotion like you wouldn’t believe!)

        Agreed. People can push buttons, and they go for the meanest, the worst triggers, the ones that hurt deep lying insecurities. It can make people act dizzy with anger.

        Sorry to hear about your breakup, it certainly sounds like a bit of a toxic relationship that you needed to extract yourself from. It’s a loss when you realize that a good partnership also brings out the worst in you.

        Reminds me of the Ani Difranco quote, “maybe we’re both good people who have done some bad things.”

      • mia girl says:

        Kitten – Really sorry to hear about your breakup and what must be a really bad time for you.

        You have friends here to help.

      • Tara says:

        Best wishes to you Kitten. Your opinions and their context really do add to the discussion, and I’m thankful for them. As much as I’m disliking this version of Pitt, and this source’s statement in particular, I’ve pushed and had buttons pushed as well… so I understand.

        What’s really getting my goat about the statement is this: So far, even with my sometimes scandalous behavior, I can’t imagine not backing down in abject shame if my child even FELT he had to step in between me and someone he thought I was going to harm. Especially AFTER I was sober, I can’t imagine trying to justify my behavior at all… Even if I was still in private denial.

        Guess my little guy isn’t a teen yet. I’m sure those are trying times. Between now and then, I’ll be working on myself and cultivating a healthy sense of shame for when I need to back down.

        I really think Brad should do the same.

      • Jordan says:

        I agree that he’s seems a nice guy but I can’t subscribe to your sympathy vote.

        The problem with saying that he self medicated because of problems / pressure in the AJ relationship. Is he is on record as saying he self medicated during Anniston marriage because he was bored and depressed. As a grown man with responsibility for kids he should have grown more emotionally to find other ways to cope with stress. I mean deciding to get drunk in front of your kids because of marital problems is at best selfish at worst irresponsible parenting.

      • Lucrezia says:

        I hope you’re doing okay Kitten – sending you lots of mental hugs!

      • Kitten says:

        Thank you guys so much for the kind words of support. I know this is a gossip blog and none of us really *know* each other in the traditional sense but I still feel like I know you all from following your comments.
        Your kind gestures are so comforting and mean a lot to me.

        Thanks again for lifting me up ♥

      • SilverUnicorn says:


        I didn’t plan to post on these threads anymore (it’s heartbreaking what’s happening to this family and it also triggers memories for some of us), but then I read your post. First, I’m so sorry to read you recently broke up with your boyfriend, sending a bunch of hugs there; I hope you’re surrounded by friends in real life who can distract you a bit from your pain.
        Second, the “pushing the buttons” thing… you make that connection (dysfunctional dynamic in a relationship) because your situation got to a point of ‘weirdness’. In the cases the incidents (or incident) go further than that, of course… human brain is programmed with associations and of course people who have stood physical abuse ‘expect’, in a certain way, the worst. I’ll explain myself better with an example (I’m not a native speaker so I hope to be clear): my hubby is really a good, brilliant and very grounded man; I’m quite the fiery type but he often ignores me when I try to ‘push buttons’ and I storm away by myself and he let me ‘deflate’ on my own. When that is not the case, well of course like all the other couples we have rows. In one of those, he lifted his hands like ‘surrendering’ (as in ‘I give up, whatever’) and he saw me ducking on the ground. He was surprised I had acted like that and said that he would never strike me but that was not the issue… it’s me who I now associate a gesture like that from a man as in an attack towards me, because as a child abuse survivor I’ve ‘been there’ too many times. It’s like, unfortunately, a pre-programming of the brain that no therapy will never make disappear.

        I hope I made sense. Hugs!!! (from my kitties too!)

    • Lady D says:

      Know what you mean about the triggers. I had a flashback reading the comments yesterday. It only lasted about 3 minutes, but everything else in your life ceases to exist for those 3 minutes. I don’t see the home I created, I don’t feel the cat on my lap, I can’t even see the light from my laptop right in front of me, just a sensation of a trapped me radiating waves of terror and my mother. I had to quit reading yesterday.

      • Icantremember says:

        So many hugs to all who have written of their pain. To the one above, who so eloquently described the temporary blindness to her sweet home and her cat on her lap, love to you and know you are not alone. What a graphic and heartfelt description. Please remember to draw on those things and hold fast to the real and the loving surroundings and God given creatures and people who surround and love you. Congratulations to you for having set YOURSELF right and created a comforting home where animals feel safe to be in your lap and show you the love and comfort that surely god desires for all of us. xxoo

    • isabelle says:

      That is a statement that is often made to defend abusers or addicts and they often get away with it.

  12. Jag says:

    This makes me love Angelina even more! Protecting her kids instead of staying in the marriage; wish my mother had done that.

  13. Onerous says:

    This is exactly what I thought happened. An incident between the two, with kids caught in the crossfire. How awful. And I agree – things must’ve been volatile for some time but this was the tipping point. It’s sad to think of any family having these kinds of interactions.

    • Kate says:

      My thoughts exactly. Her action to divorce seemed rash but I truly believe this was the tipping point. They’ve always been very good at crafting a perfect public image. It’s always been more about want isn’t being said with them. She would never have let on that there was trouble if she thought they could work through it.

      • B n A fn says:

        She did let on that something was wrong, the problem was the fans were not paying attention. I don’t believe they were seen together at any function for about a year. I did not pay any attention to that because a few years ago Angelina did mentioned that the kids were betting bigger and will be taking more of her time at home. Then he was starring in several movies back to back, also, she did not move the family during his last movie as they had done for years. He was traveling more and more solo.

      • MrsBPitt says:

        @B n A fn…..I, too, had been wondering if they had been having problems in the past year….there were hardly any photos of them alone together or them, together with the kids. He seeemed to be off doing his own thing a lot…I remembering thinking “how come I never see any pictures of brad and angie with the kids anymore” and, yes, I have no life…lol

      • Carmen says:

        His constant traveling solo was what got me speculating that something had gone drastically wrong in the marriage.

  14. sun says:

    is his version supposed to make him look good? because……

    • Don't kill me I'm French says:


    • Gretchen says:

      Right?? She says he was sober during the altercation and his counter argument is, “No I wasn’t! I was drunk!” Like that somehow makes it more understandable? Like getting sh*tfaced on a flight with all your kids on board is somehow ok in the first place?

      He never hit the kid “in the face”….??? Because that’s the only place that hurts when struck/pushed/shoved?

      I just can’t even. Whoever drafted this statement as a sympathetic version of events is an idiot.

    • Anne says:

      That just proves how bad the situation is. Its as bad as it looks. Like Lainey said he can come deny or make up a better version and see the video of him being agressive to Jolie maybe hitting his son leak and making look even worse.

      • Gretchen says:

        @Anne This is why I don’t understand the obfuscations. Rather than playing the PR game and dodging the truth waiting to see what else is or isn’t released, why not just release an apology? Same as with the Depp situation, I would have a lot more faith that these guys were essentially decent human beings if they would just own their sh-t. Something like “I made a terrible mistake, I love my family deeply and this behaviour is not representative of who I am as a husband or father. As such I am going to be checking myself into xyz programme to work through my issues. I understand and respect my wife’s decision, and will do all in my power to work with her to ensure the safety, well being and happiness of our children”

        I guess that makes me sound incredibly naive! But I just think that not only would that be a first step in the right direction it also takes the claws out of any future revelations, because it has already -albeit without specifics – been owned.

        This clinging on to any last crumbs of deniability, coupled with the “I was drunk, she pushes my buttons, I didn’t hit him in the face so it doesn’t count” excuses just makes him look like more of a substance abusing abuser that he possibly (probably?) even is.

      • StormsMama says:

        I guess I’m naive too
        Bc your statement is exactly what he should say
        Own it
        Be humble
        Be gracious
        And get help

    • isabelle says:

      The statement sounds like something someone would say that was hit as kid.

    • B n A fn says:

      @mrs BPitt, now a lot of things are making sense. Do you remember Angie saying she was going to be working less and spending more time with the kids because they were getting bigger? Therefore, when I did not see them together I just chalked it up to she was with the kids.
      Now I believe they were having problems for more than a year and Angie was holding the family together for the kids, jmo. Do you remember Angie and Brad would pick up the family and
      move to their movie locations? I thought about Brad working
      one job after another and leaving the family at home was strange, Who knows if the rift was started then. You know I’m a
      big fan, as you are, so I’m very sorry for what’s happening to this
      family especially the kids. Brad should not have his friends
      talking bad about Angie because all the kids are old enough to
      have seen what went down and I don’t believe they would forgive
      him if he talked bad about their mom. I believe she an excellent mom and he should not let his friends disrespect her.
      and he should just go to rehab.

  15. Abigail says:

    Even though it was on a private plane from France involving movie stars, the story of a fight between two spouses, one of them drunk, sounds all too sadly familiar. And of course the kid feels obliged to get involved on his mother’s behalf (remember Bill Clinton’s story of his mother and alcoholic stepfather). Whether there was physical violence against the child or not, I suspect this dysfunction has been building for awhile, and that she and the kids are relieved it’s over.

    • Barrett says:

      *1,000 for most of us we know through our own experience or family or friends same fight happens in living rooms and kitchens across America. Reminder $ can’t make alcoholism and dysfunction disappear!

    • Kitten says:

      Yes THIS. MTE.

  16. Meandyou says:

    It seems he wasn’t even drunk when it started and him getting physical w/ Maddox, possibly shoving the kid away or lunging at him enough to have Angelina come between them may have been a first, but once is enough for her to get out.

    I’m not sure his version of events helps him and if he gets help between now and the divorce may not even be enough to take his physical custody away.

    Such an epic fall from grace. Poor kids. Poor Maddox!

    • ickythump says:

      I was disappointed that his version of events didn’t include the word “sorry” and I don’t mean for himself, to his wife and children who must’ve been very very scared and upset.

  17. applapoom says:

    I don’t what to think but this story is thoroughly depressing me. My husband has behaved similarly when he was under a lot of stress/drunk. I have forgiven him because he is so kind and giving 96% of the time. However because he is under a lot of work pressure (he is a highly successful lawyer) he can get unpleasant. It is very unhealthy and we are trying to find a better work life balance. We are working on it. If we didn’t have a two year plan to retire I don’t know if I would stay.

    • detritus says:

      He doesn’t need a work life balance my friend. It’s about how he deals with stress. You can’t get rid of stress from life.

      Please be good to yourself and be safe.

    • Who ARE these people? says:

      Detritus is right. If he is successful you have the money to cut back or retire earlier, and your husband can afford the therapy he clearly needs. If anything he may drink more in retirement due to the stress of the transition.

    • CommentingBunny says:

      If you do seek couple’s therapy, please select the therapist very carefully. Many abusers, especially highly successful ones, can get a therapist “on their side” so to speak.

      Consider reading Lundy Bancroft’s book, “Why Does He Do That? Inside the Minds of Angry and Controlling Men.” It helped (and is still helping) me.

      • applapoom says:

        Is that what happened to you CommentingBunny? No chance of him going to therapy. Unfortunately I love him and so do the children. If he is still like this after early retirement then I will leave. I just want to give him a chance.

      • Bonzo says:

        In the beginning, I think it’s better to see a therapist alone so you can talk as honestly as possible without being concerned for your safety afterwards. I wouldn’t do couples counseling until the therapist thinks it would be helpful, that’s if your husband would agree to participate.

        Please be safe. That 4% you describe is not something to minimize. We all have stress and if he can’t handle his without becoming aggressive to you, then it’s not likely to go away in retirement. Men can struggle with not having a “purpose” to get up in the morning once they no longer have careers.

      • commentingbunny says:

        Applapoom –

        I was lucky in our couple’s therapist. She actually outright told him that his behaviour was abusive & checked in with me to see if I felt safe enough to go home with him after that session. It was eye-opening for me, because in my head no black eyes = no abuse.

        It did happen to a friend, who was told by her therapist for a few years that her marriage was troubled because she was frigid and unresponsive. Meanwhile, her now-ex was a controlling nightmare person who ended up getting arrested for pulling an Anthony Wiener with young girls on the internet.

    • Lucrezia says:

      I’m leaping to a conclusion here, so forgive me if I’m wrong, but I feel like I have to bring it up in case I’m right …

      I’m wondering if what you’re really asking here is: “is it normal for my husband to be ‘unpleasant’ 4% of the time”? If so, it’s a fair question … we all wear facades in public, so it’s hard to know what is “normal”. But I’ll tell you straight: 4%? No, that’s not normal. You have a valid problem.

      If you’d said “had happened once or twice”, or “99.9% of the time”, then I probably would’ve thought “okay, you have a few relationship issues” and wouldn’t be wandering off on this (possibly incorrect) track. But 96% really strikes me as an odd figure. I’m sure you didn’t sit down and count it off accurately or anything, but even judging it as a “first number that rolled off my tongue” … it sounds bad. Imagine we’re talking about something completely different. There’s a big difference between “I’ve had a handful of terrible migraines in my life” (automatic response: yeah, I’ve had a couple too, migraines suck!) and “I get these splitting headaches but 96% of the time I feel fine” (general response: whoa, that’s a lot of headaches – go to the doctor!).

      Like Bonzo, I’m a little worried that you’re minimising your problem. The fact you say your husband has acted similarly to Brad, yet then chose the words “unpleasant” and “unhealthy” is also ringing a few alarm bells for me. Most people are calling Brad’s behaviour abusive. I would echo Bonzo’s suggestion for you to see a counselor by yourself, to help you figure out some reasonable expectations from your relationship.

      Again, apologies if I’m on the wrong track, and best wishes for fixing your relationship.

      • applapoom says:

        He has never laid a hand on our children. He says he is on the verge of a nervous breakdown. It goes in peaks and troughs. Last year he kicked me out of the car because my ex master degree friends added me to a Facebook group and I didn’t tell him about it. The kids were in the car and he was calling me all kinds of things. I had to get out of the car with the kids and take a taxi. He didn’t speak to me for several days. A few months ago he made me get out of the house as it is his house (because I don’t work and he doesn’t allow me to work). He took the kids’ passports and the key to the safe and I left. An hour later he called me to ask why I am being dramatic and to stop being silly and come back. I came back two hours later after wandering around sobbing on the streets as I just wanted to be with the kids who were sleeping so they were oblivious to it.

        So it happens maybe two or three times a year but when it does happen it is epic and I am tense. But he does feel bad and I have no doubt he loves me. But work gets too much for him at some point. He has become better and better every year so that gives me hope. Unfortunately my eight year old is not forgiving him for the few occasions he has seen him lose his rag – he loves him, but he says “I don’t like daddy”. My husband wants to quit work but he doesn’t want the children to be destitute and has been amassing properties for them to inherit and live off.

        It is really tough as I don’t have money for counselling and I have very few friends left (he doesn’t approve of mixed male female friendships and most of my old friendship circles were not girls only). No real friend in the country as we are living away from family overseas and it seems everybody knows everybody in these circles. I can’t damage his reputation.

      • Snowflake says:

        @ applapoom
        That is not normal behavior. You’re his wife, it’s your house too, whether you are working or not. He doesn’t want you to work because if you do, you will see your relationship and how he treats you is not right. Plus, he does not want you to have money of your own, it is easier to control you it you are totally dependent on him. He probably gotten better in the last couple years because you are more compliant with doing things his way and when he wants. in other words, he’s trained you to be what he wants. it is a very big red flag that he locked up the kids passports. because he is basically telling you that if he thinks you will leave him, he will make it so you can’t take the kids. do you have any family or friends you can talk to? If you do, you need to call them now. You need to get out of this relationship. You say he has never laid a hand on the children? What about you? He shouldn’t be hitting you. Good luck to you. My advice is to get as much financial information as you can without him knowing, and contact a lawyer. Borrow money from friends or family if you can. I really hope things get better for you, because you deserve better. Just my opinion.

      • Lucrezia says:

        Okay. After your explanation, I’m even more concerned for you 🙁

        But there are definitely places that can help. I’m not sure where you are, so I can’t give you a specific suggestion, but I’m sure there some form of free counseling/support in your area. The hard part is finding it. Your best bet is the helplines/hotlines. They’ll know what’s in your area.

        You don’t need to find exactly the right help-line before you call. If you’re not sure it counts as domestic violence, or even if all you can find is a suicide/depression line, call anyway … if you’ve got the wrong service, they’ll at least know who you SHOULD be talking to. Even if you don’t know exactly what you want from the call, that’s okay – you will work it out together.

        Most importantly – you don’t have to wait until you’re actually having a crisis to call! You wouldn’t be wasting their time or anything. They’d honestly prefer you to call before it gets That Bad.

        BTW – If there’s any chance that your husband checks an itemized phone bill to see who you’re talking to, google your options first (you obviously have computer access) and pick a service that specifically say their number won’t be listed. (Clear your search history afterwards.) Most helplines understand the risk and hide their numbers, but it can get complicated with different phone companies and state regulations, so double-check first.

      • Jwoolman says:

        Your young child’s reaction is a serious sign – children’s intuition tends to be intensified, and he is picking up things that perhaps you have buried in your own mind. Don’t minimize the situation. The advice to get counseling on your own is a very good one. You need a professional third party to help you sort things out and decide what to do. And I also agree that his problems are more likely to escalate in retirement. He already knows he’s dealing badly with the stress, that might be an opening to help get him into counseling, to deal with stress constructively.

  18. Lucy2 says:

    This statement is all over the place. He was drunk, he was somewhat inebriated. It wasn’t physical abuse, he did put his hands on him. He didn’t hit him “in the face” and wasn’t “black-out” drunk. Interesting qualifiers.
    If that is his team’s defense, it really doesn’t sound good.
    That must’ve been so scary for the kids, especially trapped in a plane.

    • Angel says:

      Exactly my comment below. No excuse to be drunk in front of the kids.

    • Tiny Martian says:

      I found the qualifiers to be interesting as well. When you have to defend yourself by saying that you weren’t drunk to the point of blacking out or that you didn’t specifically hit someone in the face, then that seriously isn’t a very good sign.

  19. Lulu says:

    Before my parents divorced, they would get into absolutely hideous screaming matches. I and my siblings would often grab onto my father when this happened, or put ourselves between him and our mother, or otherwise try to defend her by screaming back at him. There was no physical violence, but I think it’s had a massive impact on how my family reacts whenever there’s even a minor flare-up between its members, and how we interact with people we viewed as taking the wrong side. Some papers are dismissing Brad’s incident as a minor skirmish that Angelina’s blown out of proportion, but I trust the woman who’s been his partner for over a decade. If she decided things had gone too far, they went too far. Good on Maddox for defending his mother.

    • Cee says:


      Verbal violence is still violence. Some people are more prone to outbursts than others, and to be on the receiving end of that is frightening. I’ll never forget the day my mother had to block my father from coming at me. I was 12 and he was mad because I had been playing rough with my brother, and he got scraped. I can’t even put myself in Maddox’s place – of son standing up to dad to protect mom.

  20. Naya says:

    How is this circus in that poor childs interests? I’m not a fan of Angie or Brad and the deification of brangelina has irritated me to no end over the years. I could have savoured their fall from grace but not like this. I know from experience the conflicted emotions Maddox must be going through over his dad. Now add the fact that the FBI is involved. Remember that adopted kids often live in perpetual gratitude and factor that in to his state of mind. Now add the guilt that all kids experience when their parents divorce and remember that in this case, he probably feels a direct responsibility. Take that mess, and now turn it into an international media circus. He must be a wreck right now.

    Jamie Lee Curtis was on the View yesterday descrbing how awful it was when her parents divorce played out in tabloids. Her voice broke, this sixty something year old is still traumatized by it and that was before the Internet. I know the story will still be covered but everyone involved and their “sources” still need to stfu. I’m leaving the sandbox. I just cant partake in this.

    • HejHej says:

      This. It’s horrible to read and no matter what happened all of this is hurting the kids even more. 🙁

    • Luca76 says:

      Naya the FBI is involved, and there is video out there. The children could have been removed and put into foster care. You obviously dislike Angelina but if she had not publicly spoken about this and come out ahead of the story she could have also lost custody. I don’t think she’s the one who called the authorities. I highly doubt she would have wanted this to play out this way. I feel awful for those kids of course but I think this is the best of many bad options.

      • Amy Tennant says:

        This is such a good point, Luca.

      • Who ARE These People? says:

        Luca, you’re right. As I said above, once abuse occurs, most of the options are bad and people are tasked with choosing the least bad option, in a way. In this case, Jolie chose the option that made a clear statement about protecting her children and immediately removing Pitt from their lives. What happens with custody will be determined by the court.

        He needs help. It sounds as if he’s gotten worse over time. He’s had a very productive career, loved and supported Jolie, and was a willing father. And although this hasn’t been discussed, I wonder what role being raised in a very strict and religious environment has had to do with how he has handled his relationships. There’s an awful lot of escaping in his history – physically and emotionally – and it seems to have continued through the use of pot and alcohol to how he runs from confrontation and avoids taking responsibility for his actions. Damn. It’s like there’s someone good in there, but all messed up. That’s different from Depp, who always seemed proud of his demons and has long been a blazing, posturing hypocrite.

      • Kitten says:

        These kinds of statements don’t exist in a vacuum–this isn’t Angie and Brad openly talking about what happened, this is legal strategy.
        There is a divorce at stake, lawyers involved, and frankly, this is no time for honesty and raw feelings.

      • Jwoolman says:

        Who Are- I remember hearing Brad in an interview a very long time ago, talking about his first marriage, and I suspected that neither he nor Jen were good dealing with conflict and both tended to try to ignore it and hope things would get better on their own. Which of course doesn’t happen. Conflicts are very normal because everybody has different desires and different needs. But although parents teach their children how to tie their shoes and how to ride a bike – they often don’t know how to teach them how to deal with conflict, especially if the parents aren’t that good at it themselves. You can’t teach what you don’t know. And if parents are themselves the source of unresolved conflicts, it’s even worse. As Brad gets older, the stresses are magnified for various reasons and his coping mechanisms are not working. He wants to run away from the conflict as his first response, but when he wanders back into the scene, there it is, still there, and maybe even worse than before.

    • Sixer says:

      I’m inclined to agree with Naya. I am not particularly interested in either Pitt or Jolie but have had hitherto generally positive opinions of them both. I also think famous adults are entirely legitimate objects of gossip and speculation.

      I don’t think speculating on *exactly* what happened, or creating fantasy scenarios using thin and unreliable details, where there is even the slightest possibility of child abuse, is appropriate. Children are not legitimate targets for gossip. I think every speculative comment adds just a little bit to the harm done to the children by putting them in the eye of a public attention storm. They can see this. They have phones and tablets, I’m sure.

      I don’t know how you avoid it when people are this famous, but I won’t be partaking either. (I said that yesterday, but this is honestly my last word on the topic).

      ETA: this is not a defence of any man behaving abusively or aggressively either to his wife or his children.

      • mia girl says:

        I am with you Sixer. I’m not particularly invested in either of the adults, but the reason I have barely commented on this situation is because I feel so sad for the kids – what they have gone through and what lies ahead for them.

        And Naya is right. This media circus will only make it worse for these children and I fear the circus is going to get worse. Both adults are only going to become angrier with each other and their respective “teams”. Each will look to defend themselves in the court of public opinion because their livelihood and reputation depend on it.

        And my guess is that Hollywood types will circle the wagons for him more than her – and we may begin to see some “stories” about her that have nothing to do with this incident. More stories about him will follow. Neither team can control for those. None of this good for the children.

        I hope I am wrong about it getting worse. I love gossip, but for the first time that I can remember, I sincerely wish a piece of celebrity gossip would just go away quietly.

      • Bonzo says:

        Yeah, I can’t engage with this gossip in the same way as other posts due to the trauma that the kids have/will endure as the divorce/custody battle plays out. I hate it when it’s referred to as Gossip Christmas, knowing that those kids will be affected negatively by what has happened in their family and how the media/public use it for their own financial gain/salacious enjoyment. I feel sick to my stomach as a family of eight it broken up is such a dramatic and public way. I want the whole family to be safe and get the help that they need to heal, period.

        Unfortunately, this doesn’t give me any escape from the news of a racist crackpot who may be our possible next president, unarmed POC being shot and the racial tensions in Charlotte. I need some happy gossip to counteract all the anger and sadness I feel.

      • Amy Tennant says:

        I think for a lot of us, this wasn’t Gossip Christmas from Day One, and I can’t understand the people who thought it was!

    • Almondjoy says:

      Naya and Sixer: I’m with you both, which is why I haven’t spoken on the subject. My heart goes out to Angie and the children and I don’t want to add to the speculation or create my own “scenario” of what happened. It’s such a sad situation. Gossiping about children makes me feel icky.

    • TheOriginalMe says:

      @Naya, Sixer and Mia Girl, ITA. And thanks for your thought-filled comments in a sea of imagined scenarios. I’m not a fan of either and never particularly bought into the fairy-tale love and life narrative, and as much as I enjoy celebrity gossip, I would never call this Gossip Christmas. I have always felt badly for those kids, now even more so.

    • StormsMama says:

      Great point

      The thing is I think we as people collectively look to certain celebs as aspirational in every facet of living. The essence of our existence. And with such a huge break up – much the way rubberneckers can’t not look at a hideous car crash as they pass along the highway- we can’t help but gawk. Perhaps to try to make sense of ourselves, our own boundaries. What do we put up with? What would be our breaking point?

      The epic tragedy is you are so right Naya-
      Maddox anc the other children may be terribly traumatized in a lasting way. You are so right about the guilt and …it just makes me so sad to think about how all of this may send these children off into unhealthy coping patterns and escapism.

      And then to have it be so large in scope. Well I pray they are insulated to some degree. And not cyclical already. I hope they can keep their hearts open.

      What a mess

  21. Angel says:

    Even if he didn’t hit him, I would have issues with my SO getting drunk in front of our kids. What kind of example was that?

    • rapomi says:

      Exactly!!! It’s not like he was at a party with other adults, he was on a family trip and got so drunk that he tried to leave in a fuel truck??!! Family should be your safe space, how horrifying to realise it’s not.

  22. rapomi says:

    The comment ‘he did not hit his child in the face’ is giving me pause – so it’s ok if he hit him, just not in the face? Seems like strange wording to choose to go with. It must have been bad if the child felt like he needed to get in between his parents to protect his mum – he must have thought it had gotten out of hand or was about to. Poor kids, they should not have to see such things. If she is filing for divorce after six kids and so many years together then it must have been warranted in my opinion.

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      Was it Sean Connery who said that at least he did not strike his wife with an “open hand?”

    • tealily says:

      The phrasing makes me wonder if she accused him of that specifically. Not in any statements that we’ve seen, buy maybe somewhere. It’s just such an odd way to phrase it…

    • Tanya says:

      I wonder if it’s because many states explicitly define leaving marks, hitting on the face, etc. as child abuse, as opposed to “standard” corporal punishment.

  23. Guesto says:

    The ‘he did not hit his child in the face in any way’ suggests to me that he most certainly did, at the very least, place his hand on the child’s face. Otherwise, why even mention hitting the child’s face?

  24. Adorable says:

    im sorry,but I love the fact that Maddox stood up for his mom..This probably isn’t the 1st time it’s happened so he to(Maddox)snapped & then Angelina as well..This is sad…If this were another Hollywood actress(Dno y I’m saying that)I think they would sort it out,but with Angelina I get the feeling that once her child gets involved in something like this she’s done!

  25. LB says:

    I think it’s time for me to stop reading and writing about this. I’m familiar with these types of escalated incidences and I’m not here for villainizing either party (on this specific incident. I can’t speak to whether there were previous ones). Sometimes good people react incredibly poorly, or maybe I just want to believe that because it hits so close to home.

    Anyway, I hope they sort this out in the best way possible for those children (hopefully more privately, which is why I refuse to add anymore after this), and that Brad seeks some help.

    • sunny says:

      I totally agree. We simply don’t know if it was an isolated incident or one of many. The only thing that is clear, is that they should work this out in a way that is best for the children and that Brad gets some sort of help for whatever issues he is facing.

  26. Sullivan says:

    Geez, Brad, just go get some help.

    • CL says:

      Why he hasn’t checked into rehab is a mystery to me.

    • MrsBPitt says:

      When they go to court regarding custody, if the judge feels that Brad’s drinking is a problem, he may specify that Brad needs some rehab before he can be granted joint custody. That may be the only way for Brad to get the help he needs…

  27. CommentingBunny says:

    THIS is the version team Pitt thinks will make him look better than they truth?

    “It did not rise to the Level of physical abuse.”

    I would love to know what his definition of physical abuse is. Because I don’t think it’s the same as mine. Or Angelina’s. Or child protective services.

    To me it sounds like he shoved his son but doesn’t think of it at abuse. After all, it’s not like he hit him in the face.

    And I may have missed something, but I don’t see a denial of emotional abuse.

    This statement reminds me of my own abuser and the minimization and gaslighting that went along with his abuse.

  28. Nancy says:

    Dayum. We will NEVER know what happened and really it’s not our business as long as the children are safe. I would hate to be a “star” and have the world debate on who is right or wrong. Was he blotto or buzzed. Did he push the child away to try to stabilize the situation or strike him. At this point, Brad is looking really bad. A shame to have lived through so much together, travel the world to adopt their kids, be there for Angelina through her illnesses only to end so ugly. Hollywood seems so glamorous and they were the beautiful couple and now this. Sadness all around.

    • Kitten says:

      Can you imagine? That kind of scrutiny would just break me.

      • Nancy says:

        Me too. She has been in the spotlight since she was a child and it probably has given her a thicker skin. I couldn’t deal with it. I agree 100% with your comment up thread that there should be no “teams.” It’s ridiculous. I hope this also ends the naming of couples. So childish….Bennifer and the like. They’re just people like us only richer and prettier….lol. Have a good weekend girlie…

  29. The Original G says:

    This is what will happen;

    ~Brad is probably already in rehab.
    ~They will get couples and family counselling.
    ~Brad and Angelina will cut back on their gruelling commitments and travel schedule and put each other and their kids first.
    ~ A couple of years from now they will all emerge personally and professionally better for it all.

    • sushi says:

      I would love for it to happen. I like them together as a couple.

      • Amy Tennant says:

        I would love for this to be the resolution, too– especially if it’s really TRUE and not just PR

    • Lucy2 says:

      I don’t know. If they had only separated, I could see that, but with her so quickly filing for divorce and letting it be known it was for the well being of the kids…. I don’t know if they get past that. She seems DONE, and his team is trying to put some blame on her. It has gotten very messy very fast.

      • The Original G says:

        They’ve got 6 kids together. Pretty soon they’re going to realize that they can’t ever really be DONE with each other. They’re intelligent people and when the things calm down a bit, they will have to find a workable way forward because they love their children. Clearly things are very bad at the moment.

      • Who ARE These People? says:

        He can’t find a way to work right now because of his increasingly obvious problems and his denial of said problem. It seems like he needs detox, rehab, therapy, the works. If he doesn’t want to live in that marriage any more, there are other ways to say it than drinking and getting abusive. Maybe he’s just not that mature. Wouldn’t be the first.

      • lucy2 says:

        Original G, I’m saying done with the marriage. Certainly they will always be in each other’s lives because of the kids, but I have a hard time seeing them getting back together as a couple after this.

    • Fallon says:

      I would love this.

    • Sayrah says:

      I don’t see her ever taking him back after this. But yes to the rest.

      • Malak says:

        She has said she wanted to grow old with him, and she was looking forward to them (she and Brad) visiting the children who she expects will be living in different places in the world.

    • Colette says:

      I hope so

  30. minime says:

    I can’t with the “she pushed his buttons” excuse again!! Really?? Didn’t we already have this conversation with Amber Heard?
    Everything else it’s her legitimate decision. Doesn’t matter if it was once, or twice, or many other times. He behaved in an erratic way, she doesn’t want to be in a marriage with him.

  31. Neelyo says:

    He’ll be in treatment by the weekend. Whether sincere or PR maneuver, he’s got to go.

    • Luca76 says:

      I thought the same about Johnny Depp but he didn’t. I think lawyering up with Charlie Sheens lawyer is an incredibly bad sign. I’m keeping my fingers crossed that he’ll get help so he can be in his children’s lives. Hollywood is so misogonistic and enabling though.

      • Who ARE These People? says:

        I dunno. It was bad that Hollywood enabled Depp, but somehow this may be different because of the involvement of the children. Even his “source” didn’t sound very convinced — it was more like, “But he TOLD me, he TOLD me, he SOUNDED sincere.”

      • Colette says:

        Johnny Depp was not trying to get custody of his kids.Brad’s team has admitted he was drunk to the point his teenage son got in the middle.

      • Becky says:

        Slightly OT but there’s an interesting article about Laura Wasser in the Guardian today.

      • Noname says:

        Ok I have to make a comment here… some of you seem to think that just because a lawyer represents a client it means that somehow the lawyer is a bad person or is like the person they represent. Even the Charlie Sheens and Johnny Depps of this world deserve and need lawyers.

        Stop assuming anything about a lawyer because they happened to represent so and so in the past.

  32. Abby says:

    This breaks my heart for those kids. His version is not better by any means. What a sad situation. I’m TeamKids. Good for Angelina for doing something drastic. I hope brad goes to rehab, stat.

  33. Pyritedigger says:

    Wasn’t the story before that Brad had no issues with alcohol? Now the story is that he was so drunk that he got into a physical confrontation with his son that was so intense a stranger called CPS on one of the most famous movie stars on the planet.

    Not a good look, Brad.

    • Lady Mimosa says:

      Well it’s been covered up for years. Most people think these beautiful
      Celebrities what you see in real life are real, when reality, most smoke, do not eat. They have the same problem as you and I. I think she has been making him look good. But I hope she doesn’t loose her kids over this.

  34. Cakes says:

    That is about the age my son was (15-16) when he started trying to challenge my husband, physically and otherwise, attempting to “defend” me in arguments (some minor, some not so minor). I don’t think it is sweet or charming that he gets involved in their fights. I would tell my son “please don’t think you understand adult issues. This is not about you.” I think if I had encouraged that behavior in my son, it would have been a huge betrayal of my husband.

    I am not judging their whole situation. I am merely speaking from my own experience. I know what led to our disagreements, and I have no clue what led to theirs.

    We’re all fine now, btw.

    • LadyJane says:

      I agree completely.

    • Shaboo says:

      I agree, something happened with Maddox and that is really unfortunate and unacceptable. At the same time Brad and Angelina are supposed to be the parents and he shouldn’t be involved in their argument and they both should have told him.

      Maybe there was an reason he had to rush in. I.e violence. We don’t know, I’m guessing this isn’t the end of the details.

      People argue, it’s not always abuse. Sometimes it is, sometimes is just that, an argument. Shouting at your kids is also not always abuse. Again, we don’t know how frequent this kind of event was.

      What I will say, is after 12 years of declaring Brad a great father and supportive partner. I’m not going immediately tar him as a child abuser. This sounds like a situation that got out of control and CPS got involved which has blown the thing way out of proportion. That being said, there’s no reason to be really drunk when your children are present, a few beers sure, so there may be some substance issues here

    • Neelyo says:

      If Brad was drunk and they were yelling at each other, there probably wasn’t a chance to explain to Maddox that this wasn’t about him and he should stay out. It sounds like it all happened very fast.

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      I’m glad your family is okay now, but if you were having “not so minor” arguments to which your son had access, and he was worried enough about you to become involved, that says only positive things about him. If the arguments had been kept private, it might have avoided that dynamic. It’s true that children can’t always understand why their parents are fighting, but it’s better that the big ones are kept away from them. It’s okay for them to see that minor disagreements can be safely worked out and that partners needn’t fear confronting one another, but blowouts big enough to make them feel they need to act? That’s different. Parents fighting is very threatening for children and we need to respect that response.

      I don’t think people found the J-P son’s involvement so much “charming” or “sweet” as a sign of his attachment to his mother and fears for her safety. It was brave of him to step up, especially given the power imbalance with his father. He should not have had to be in that position, which is basically why she filed for divorce.

      • kay says:

        thank you for articulating, numerous times, a perspective that is clear.

      • Lin says:

        Agree with WATP. A son wouldn’t be involved if parents would keep their arguments private where they belong, not in front of your 6 minor children. Those poor kids, how they must be feeling, and especially Maddox, the oldest, trying to do the right thing.

      • Missy says:

        Thank you thank you @watp. I wanted to respond to @cakes comment but knew I wouldn’t be articulate/polite, so I’ll just cosign everything you said.

    • Frosty says:

      Thank you for pointing this out because very often kids at that age haven’t separated enough yet to understand they are not the third partner in their parents’ marriage.

    • lucy2 says:

      I definitely understand your position, and it could be a situation of their kid putting himself into something he shouldn’t have.
      However, it could have also been necessary. We don’t know the situation, what the fight was about, where the younger kids were in relation to the adults, etc. I feel that considering the NDAs they probably have with everyone who works with them, it must have been pretty bad for someone to call it in.

    • Antigone says:

      I agree with you @ Cakes!

  35. tina says:

    It is shocking to me how much information is coming out from both sides.

    • LittleTeaPot says:

      Right? There appears to be no restraint.

    • Tris says:

      Both sides? Have we heard anything from her side other than the original statement from the lawyer?

    • sushi says:

      Now I understand her lawyer’s statement. Only ‘For the health of the family’. Sometimes it is better to separate and at peace than together and constantly fight. Apart from that statement I have not heard anything from her unless you attributes the tabloid and page six as coming from Jolie.

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      Pitt’s “source” provided all these details. She filed for divorce and her lawyers made brief, general statements. The rest comes from court filings and leaks, probably paid for by TMZ. If there’s video, it explains why Pitt tried to (inadequately) give his version of events.

      She is probably dividing her time between getting the children settled in their routines and generally being there for them, working with Child & Family Services, working with the FBI, and working with her lawyer. It would be too much for anyone, and she’s gone through ‘instant menopause’ recently as well. Lord only knows what she has had to put on hold in her career and philanthropic work, and no one dare comment if she loses further weight. She just, abruptly, ended the longest romantic partnership she ever had and the only one that involved children.

      She hasn’t said a bad word about him, only that she was concerned for her family. He, on, the other hand, said she pushed his buttons. Their approaches are significantly different, but people will insist on making them somehow equivalent.

      • I Choose Me says:

        Thank you!

        Angelina is such a polarizing person and I don’t think the vilification of her will ever stop. Sadly, for a while there, I was buying into it too, thinking she was being unfair to Brad. But she has always been about the kids and I’m ashamed of myself for not given her the benefit of the doubt and waiting until more was revealed.

      • Noname says:

        Sources said she knows how to push his buttons to Page Six.. wasn’t that where rumor about Pitt cheating with Cottilard came from? Page Six.. And we are going to believe Page Six?

  36. Busy Bee says:

    This quote from TMZ really gets me “And our sources say Brad has never acted aggressively toward his kids in the past — other than verbally — ” I really hope that Brad’s definition of abuse doesn’t equal striking your children or spouse. Verbal aggression is abuse that can have a lasting impact. He needs help.

    • minx says:

      That was such a disturbing statement, about him acting verbally aggressive towards his kids.

    • Rhiley says:

      I grew up with a verbally abusive alcoholic. It is miserable and for me, has caused a lot of anxiety that never really goes away. I have learned how to manage my anxiety, but it is still there every single day.

    • Kitten says:

      Oh man…I didn’t see that part. Sigh,

    • LadyJane says:

      I don’t think you can assume that a quote from an article on TMZ is a quote from Brad Pitt. And ‘sources say’ is a way of making something that is totally unsubstantiated sound legit – one of the oldest tricks in the tabloid-book along with ‘a close personal friend’

  37. Jenns says:

    He needs to get a publicist ASAP.

    • Snowflake says:


    • Rhiley says:

      He does. Reading his version of the events I am like, “Dude, you have hit rock bottom. You are in the bell jar.” What kind of father needs to get drunk by himself on a flight on his own plane with his family in tow? Only answer I can come up with is an alcoholic who needs help.

    • OhDear says:

      He can get that publicist after he gets help and takes responsibility for his actions.

      • Who ARE These People? says:

        It all comes down to that, doesn’t it? He seems to blame others for his problems and it’s a pattern. What a shame.

  38. Diana B says:

    Perhaps it was a usual situation where he could get agressive with her but now the children are involven and that was Angelina’s limit. He needs help, like yesterday.

  39. Fallon says:

    Angelina and Maddox have always had a very close bond (I believe she’s been quoted as saying he saved her), and it wouldn’t surprise me if she was open and honest with him about issues she and Brad were having. Of course he is going to stand up for her, and this sounds like a very (sadly) common scenario and she just said ENOUGH.

    • Amy Tennant says:

      She shouldn’t burden him with it if she does. I can well understand that he might be the only sounding board she feels like she has and can trust, but she needs to resist that temptation for his sake. Kids don’t need to carry adult worries. 🙁 I’m an Angeloonie; I’m not hating on her. But she needs to talk to someone else: a therapist, James, somebody, but don’t make Maddox a party to it. He’s too young, and he might feel like he needs to take on too much responsibility. I have to remember that in my own life, because my daughter is too much of a confidante for me sometimes, and I’m continually reminding myself to zip it.

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      Let’s not speculate about how she may have talked to Maddox; that’s unfounded. We can speculate about the adults, but not about the children. That boy is what, 14? He’s old enough to see and hear his father for himself and wouldn’t need her to confide in him to understand that there are problems. We really don’t need to project this onto the situation, it is a step toward blaming her for what happened.

  40. Amy Tennant says:

    #teamkids, #teamfamily
    I could see the truth of the matter being somewhere in the middle of all that we’ve heard, and even so it’s not good. Lord, Brad, even if it went down exactly like you said, it’s not good for anyone. They all need help, and I hope they can get it. They have the resources. Some of us need it and can’t get it. My heart actually goes out to every one of them, because they’re all damaged and hurting, but especially the kids. Poor Maddox. He’s too young to try to shoulder adult burdens, and he shouldn’t have been put in that situation. My teenage daughter is the same way. She always wants to take too much onto herself, and it kills me.

    • Kitten says:

      ITA. I feel like even Angie wouldn’t want people to demonize Brad, but it’s clear he has a problem. I hope he gets help and they find a way to work it out. Although, I don’t have much faith in that happening at this point.

      • Amy Tennant says:

        I would love it if they could stay together, but not “at all costs.” I hope they can heal and stay a family, whatever that looks like, and they can co-parent well, and if they can stay together and do that, that’s even better. However it works, and they are going to need a lot of help and time and healing either way. Ultimately I hope they can all truly put the kids first. (Probably even now they both think that they are)

  41. mkyarwood says:

    A friend of mine has been married for over ten years. They have two kids under ten, and her husband has a history of drug and alcohol abuse, but not any other kind. Unless walking in on him with his pants down in front of the computer one night, as she was coming home from a late shift, and as her younger child came bounding out of the bedroom, not yet asleep. There were beer cans and butts littered all over the place. He couldn’t see it. He didn’t see any of these things as wrong or out of control. The turning point between a good time guy and an alcoholic happens over time, not overnight.

    The people who love him intervened. He’s in recovery, and things have changed. And he is so different. Vibrant, funny, present enough to know people love him. But, I have to wonder: if he had $20 million, would he have listened? Or would he continue to fight that he was right and nothing was wrong.

  42. Nicky says:

    I think the fact that this incident allegedly happened while they were all trapped on a plane probably made things so much worse. You can’t walk away or shut the door and everyone has to stay in such a small area while the pressure builds up and whatever is happening escalates. If someone has been drinking too this can be so frightening as they maybe unpredictable adding to it. It could have been terrifying for the children and It may be hard for her to just let that go. Dont think it’s acceptable to be drunk around your children full stop, anything can happen with children and you need to have your wits about you.

    • Lahdidahbaby says:

      Good points, all of them.

    • VegasSchmagus says:

      on one of those smaller jets, there is nowhere for the kids to “retreat” in a situation like this. They’re stuck, watching all of this. In a house, they can retreat. Also, how scary would it be when your parent, the one that is supposed to be protecting you, goes wacko in a plane in the AIR? I can see where this would be the tipping point for AJ. Like her or not, she’s a fierce Mamma Bear.

  43. Lena says:

    Even if he didn’t touch Maddox, behaving in a way that makes a child feel he has to protect his mother is bad enough!

    • dandelion says:

      it’s so clearly doesn’t say he “didn’t touch him”. even in the version of the events that are supposed to make Brad look good he is “becoming physical” and “laying hands” on Maddox. It only says he “didn’t hit him in the face”.

  44. Merritt says:

    I think it had to have been pretty bad if Maddox felt he had to step in and protect his mom. I’m glad that Angelina ended things. I’m tired of the “she pushed his buttons” excuse. People have responsibility to control themselves regardless of how someone else acts.

  45. Alldamnday says:

    I kept telling myself it was something like this. I was pretty sure it involved Maddox because he’s at the right age. And Brad is firmly Mid-western. I have friend from MI and OH who talk about their brothers and dads getting into physical fights at puberty and beyond in a very normal way that I would find shocking if I didn’t know those involved now (20+ years later). I think everyone has a comfort level, and this situation was past hers. So it’s for the best.

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      Past her comfort level, and perhaps past the legal definition as well. To be determined. Hollywood justice seems to have more elastic definitions about what is safe and appropriate between people.

    • Robin says:

      Um…his being from the midwest is completely irrelevant.

    • notasugarhere says:

      From Telegraph last year

      “Brad Pitt has opened up about his “strict” childhood. The actor revealed that in rebellion to his strict Christian upbringing and his parent’s strong religious beliefs, he now considers himself an atheist.

      The star, who was raised in a Southern Baptist household, told The Telegraph magazine that his father was “very, very tough” and that he and his siblings were raised “with all the Christian guilt about what you should and shouldn’t do.””

      And of course, none of us knows what “very, very tough” in his childhood family meant.

  46. Nibbi says:

    man, this is so sad and awful. i just love her and i’ve always liked them as a couple and a family. i normally don’t care much about celebrity divorces except in a “smutty” gossipy way but to echo everyone else this is just so surprising. i think it wouldn’t even bother or surprise me all that much if they “consciously uncoupled” but this…. ? and it seems clear that brad loves his kids and all, which in a way makes it even sadder that they’re having issues like this. i have no doubt she’d do anything to protect her kids. man, what a bummer, i almost don’t even want to look yet really want to understand what happened.

    • wolfpup says:

      She’s not protecting her children by destroying their father. Maddox will feel guilty. A father is a very important part of a child’s life – all six of them love him! Parental alienation is not a loving thing for any of these individuals. It doesn’t surprise me, however, that Jolie would push the nuclear button…

      I divorced my abusive husband- but I did not destroy him as a father – and my children are grateful. They have had a dad to do all the things that a dad does for his children in helping them grow up. It is an *essential* relationship, and so worth preserving, however I might feel toward him. I love my children – and they love their dad, like all children. Mom’s are required to love their children, unselfishly. I think that Angelina is handling this very poorly.

      • Who ARE These People? says:

        Whoa, wolfpup! She’s not destroying their father. Filing for divorce in the wake of a violent, drunken episode in which he maybe have assaulted one of their children does not equal destroying Pitt in any way. She may have sought to keep this incident private but it was reported by someone else – that was beyond her control. And, given the details of Pitt’s lame explanation, reporting it was the right thing to do.

        She would not be protecting her children by allowing an angry drunk to be around them – father or no father. I don’t think there is a case to be made for parental alienation; if anything, Pitt’s surrogate claimed “she pushed his buttons,” which was a personal attack and clearly one he is comfortable making.

        The law, and probably most of us here, would say you have the whole thing backwards.

        A sober, safe father can be a very important part of a child’s life, but not a drunk, unsafe father. I won’t speculate about the child’s emotional state other than to say that parents drawing a bright line around verbal and physical abuse is the best thing they can do for their children’s welfare.

      • menlisa says:

        I 1000% agree with you wolfpup

      • LAK says:

        What wolfpup said.

      • lucy2 says:

        I think we have to wait and see – if he gets whatever help he needs and they are able to co-parent peacefully, he will very much be an active father in their lives.
        She definitely came out guns blazing for the divorce, but I don’t believe she has alienated the kids from him yet.
        I’ve seen people alienate their kids from their other parent, and it’s so sad. But it’s only been a few days since all this went down, so we don’t know how it will all shake out.

      • Frosty says:

        100% agree with you, Wolfpup.

      • I Choose Me says:

        She’s not destroying him. HE destroyed himself by getting aggressive with his wife and child and drinking to excess. Also, as per the divorce filing she’s not preventing him from seeing his kids. She’s not even asking for supervised visits.

        I also notice you have nothing to say about his alleged comments about her ‘pushing his buttons’ so are you fine with how HIS side is handling this?

      • Jordan says:

        I firmly disagree with @wolfpup
        And I can’t believe some of you are putting your name to this thought that she’s the one that’s handling this badly. The moment the child protection was called this wasn’t going to be private. It also endangered her own custody
        Did you expect her to stay with him and loose the kids? Kids some of whom had already had the trauma of loosing their parents once such as pax who was almost 4 when he was adopted.
        I think being a brad fan is fine but to hide behind some idea that she hurting the kids by divorcing a man who lunged. Who is so drunk he tries to flee from the family on a fuel truck is just stunning.. that he isn’t seeing his kids for the time being is not her doing its customary in cases like this. She has not asked that he won’t see them either. It’s a temporary measure, it specifically said she want him to co parent. , I really don’t understand why people have to make up shit to blame angelina. I am not even her fan but it’s astounding to me how much of the blame some women give her.

      • minime says:

        @Jordan, @ WATP
        Thank you!!! I don’t understand why everything you said is so hard to grasp for so many people. I hope they can both find a civilized way to deal with the divorce but I also think she really didn’t have another option, unless she would be willing to risk loosing the custody of her children. And well, it’s not like she’s been bad mouthing him or anything.
        I don’t think it’s necessary to demonize BP without knowing the extent of what happened, but he did a mistake, he should own it and work on it.

      • Tara says:

        What @Jordan, et al, said x 1000.

      • Zut alors! says:

        How exactly is Angelina “destroying” Pitt?! HIS actions led to this. I realize you have an active dislike of this woman, but damn! I believe yesterday you said you read that Maddox was a spoiled, selfish jerk. As if that in any way warranted what happened. I guess Pitt is forever doomed to be the helpless, hapless victim ensnared in the evil web of Angelina, the ultimate destroyer, in both his divorces.

      • als says:

        Congratulations, wolfpup! And everyone else that agreed with you!
        You are obviously a better mother and a smarter individual that Angelina Jolie. Also perhaps more judgemental and more limited în views considering the fact that somewhere, on your way to saving your kids, their dad and yourself, you have lost the notion that human beings, including mothers and fathers do the best they can.

        Glad you saved your kids’ dad and their relationship but are jumping to condemn and point fingers to a human being that is doing the best she can. Angelina Jolie may not be willing or not capable of saving her kids’ dad but I bet that when this is all said and done, she will display more understanding and compassion than you. Sometimes, fiercely selfish people, are like that! And sometimes, all moms can do, is save themselves and the kids! Or that is all they WANT to do, because they can’t deal with it anymore! But please, go ahead and judge and condemn her for not being a superhero! And again, congratulations to you for being one!

        You seem to have fought for your kids and probably are a great mother but your words show again the struggle and sacrifice women make while trying to transform into this superhero called ‘mom’, sometimes being a mom even to their damaged, abusive husband.

      • Maia says:

        I agree with you wolfpup as well.
        I think that the majority of the people on this thread who are so quick to jump to conclusions on BP’s “abuse” are people who have either had horrible childhoods and can’t help project, or are not parents themselves and have no clue what parenting entails.
        We need to first wait for the facts to come out before we jump to conclusions. The DM has an article where BP categorically denies there was any touching whatsoever. A person who saw the video corroborates this.
        Why the rush to condemn ? There are six little people at stake…

      • als says:

        Some people here think Angelina Jolie, like so many before her and many after her, is just not handling abuse the right way.
        Could someone just write a guide like ‘How to handle abuse for dummies’ or ‘How to be the perfect victim’?
        That way we will be done with these discussions.

      • Maia says:

        Disclaimer: I like BP and AJ both.. or used to like both of them. This incident is making me revisit that though.
        I think that the issue is that many people want to wait to see the result of the investigation or the video before jumping to conclusions on “abuse”. Many people do not think that TMZ or People or what have you always publish the gospel truth.
        I think that you will find, als, that people are mostly sympathetic and good. If a man has been found to be guilty of “abusing” someone, they generally are not exonerated by law or in the press.
        Why don’t you wait and see what the facts reveal? That is what some are suggesting. So far there is no proof that BP hit his son or was guilty of bad parenting. Yet there is ample proof that AJ’s side is painting BP as drunk and abusive. Until we actually see some real evidence you cannot label a person a bad parent based on hearsay or what a gossip rag writes.
        What constitutes “receipts” here are not really “receipts” to many of us – that is the issue.

      • JESS82 says:

        agree with wolfpup & co.

      • PoliteTeaSipper says:

        Attitudes like yours are why my mother was allowed to continuously abuse me for years.

    • kay says:

      thank you, who are these people.
      have yet to see a single solitary word from her that says he is a bad parent, or anything that indicates she is trying to smear him, or do anything but make sure her kids don’t get taken away.

    • Gretchen says:

      Yes, yes, yes @WATP, Lucy2, I choose me, Jordan et al. I don’t understand how people can hate a woman so much without even knowing her. So many people, women in particular – sadly, vilify her and I just don’t get it. You don’t have to be an angeloonie to see that so much of the response to her is deeply misogynistic. I would have hoped after the whole Heard/Depp situation (not to mention DV statistics in general) that more people would give a woman the benefit of the doubt in these situations…obviously not.

      • wolfpup says:

        I don’t “hate” anyone, including Angelina, yet I have watched her over the period of her career, and have an opinion like everyone. She has always been a trip! I don’t like seeing their families’ pain and hope they can “contain” it, rather than have it intensify, by spite and such. The fact that Angelina wants sole custody is big. We’ve watched a rather long narrative of “happy family”, and I believe that Brad has been the custodial parent during her absences. It doesn’t appear as though she was concerned about him, previous to this incident. I do not care to vilify anyone, but caution against vilifying the father of her children. I have learned how deeply children love their father after co-parenting four of them, now almost 40 years after divorce.

        Of course, Angie is doing the best that she can… She must have been quite touched that Maddox came to her aid. There is definitely a cult of manhood involved, which makes both men (Brad and Maddox) vulnerable humans that need each other, to heal.

      • wolfpup says:

        that is, nearly ****30*** years after my divorce! – I don’t want to be 10 years older yet. My oldest daughter is 38, and she’s having a birthday party for her one-year-old tomorrow. My EX will be there! It hasn’t been easy, but I’m sure that it’s worth the effort to try to be gracious. After all these years, I still feel the need to be a good example. I struggle with it, but that’s okay. It will be a great party – I am bringing “un-birthday” gifts for the other little grand-children.

        I hope that Brad and Angie see the need for dignity in their dealings –

      • Gretchen says:

        When I wrote about hating her I wasn’t referring directly to your comment, I should have made that clearer. More of a general observation about the strangely large population of gossip-involved people (on many sites, not this one) who have projected this machiavellian she-snake image onto her.

        However in regards to your comment specifically, she hasn’t vilified him at all, a number of ‘sources’, allegedly from her team, have said more than once that she still loves him but this incident was the final straw. I find the assumption that she is actively engaged in smearing him -which there is no evidence of – troublesome, as it plays into unfortunate stereotypes of women playing especially dirty in custody cases (I’m not suggesting that some don’t, but there seems to be this pervasive idea that more often than not women will tell any lie to try and cut out the father because hell hath no fury etc etc, which is misogynistic).

        Personally, I don’t see her petition for sole custody as that big. Considering the professional lives that both Jolie and Pitt have, I don’t even see how it would be feasible for the kids’ time to be split evenly among their parents. Secondly, if it were me, and my husband had temper issues, was dealing with substance abuse and had just verbally (and possibly physically) assaulted our child in a confined space in front of our other children, I wouldn’t want to share custody until I was absolutely sure he was actively getting help for these issues before handing them over to him for days or weeks at a time.

        Does that not sound reasonable? Could that not be protection rather than alienation? Custodial arrangements can be re-negotiated, maybe she just wants sole until he gets his sh-t together? The truth is we don’t know, and don’t need to assume the worst of either of them.

        Like many here, I have sympathy for him (for now), but I don’t think that Jolie briefly acknowledging that he was abusive and then got tanked on booze in a plane with their children is vilifying…its a statement of events that is being investigated by authorities. And I am going to give her the benefit of the doubt and assume that behind closed doors, while all of this mess is being investigated, that she isn’t whispering into all her kids ears that he is a terrible person and father. It bugs me that people would assume otherwise, just because…?

      • Gretchen says:

        Just saw your second comment, happy birthday to your daughter! It is great that you and your ex have managed to maintain a healthily separated relationship for your kids, it really is a wonderful example to set and I am in no way doubting it.

        One thing I will say to possibly explain my POV in this issue is that my parents have, 20 years after their separation, managed to maintain very cordial relations. They are friendlier with each other now than I ever remember them being when they were together!

        That said, my father physically attacked me once when I was about the same age as Maddox, it was terrifying. My parents had already been separated for a year by that time and I was living alone with him. She spoke with him and I moved in with my mum that day. When I was talking about it with her she refused to bad mouth him, which I respect, but she also didn’t even acknowledge how bad and inappropriate it was (apparently I had pushed his buttons…sounds familiar right?), which hurt deeply and was very confusing, she just sort of brushed it under the carpet.

        So I guess here is the point I am trying to make about the situation (in a roundabout way): acknowledging how bad and unacceptable an abusive incident is, is not the same as vilifying the parent. For proper healing to take place, that abuse has occurred HAS to be acknowledged first before reconciliation can begin in earnest.

        When I think back to teen-me, I wish my mum had a Jolie moment with my dad of “No, you aren’t going to explain this away, and I won’t let you minimize it”‘. We all get on great now, but it took me a long time to trust my physical self with my dad, and my emotional self with my mum.

  47. Al says:

    I wondr what Brad SAID to Maddox (or whichever child was involved). Look, I can maybe see how in a particular circumstance, someone without a history of violent behavior, very drunkenly lunged at someone and unintentionally shoved/ fell onto someone (MAYBE! Brad and Angie’s life are vastly different from “normal” so I could MAYBE understand that). But, BUT there is no excuse for the things you SAY!! The details of what went down physically are greatly altered by what was said. I can be in a heated screaming argument with my husband but if he Or I EVER spoke to our children in that same way- goodbye forever! parents and children are not equals and words can’t be explained away by I was drunk.

  48. Sam H x says:

    Like Laura Wasser, Brad’s team have a working relationship with People magazine so they are utilising it to get their side out and probably are being deliberately vague as to the details because there are pending investigations into the incident. Page six is probably chatting a load of crap. So the truth is probably somewhere between these two versions.

    This is getting really depressing by the minute. Those poor children. I hope for the kids sake, both teams bury this video so it never sees the light of day because this family needs to begin to heal. I think Brad loves his children and his wife but he needs to acknowledge he has a problem. It’s a very sad situation for all of them.

    • dandelion says:

      Brad hired Charlie Sheen’s lawyer.

      • Who ARE These People? says:

        Brad is going to pay Charlie Sheen’s lawyer a lot of money for a long time, then. Money that could be better spent at the Betty Ford Center.

      • grace says:

        An Laura Wasser was/is Johnny Deep’s attorney. I’m sure both have represented good and bad people or simply flawed individuals, just like any other person out there.

  49. serena says:

    God, this is so sad. I hope Maddox is okay.. to see your parents fight like that and feel like you need to step in and defend your mother is really serious. Serious and scary. And Brad getting nose to nose with his teenage son.. wtf is wrong with him? I don’t care if he was drunk or not, that’s not a good excuse either way!

  50. mrdarcy says:

    There’s a photo on the Daily Mail of Brad and Angelina having a spat in Legoland last year. The look on Zahara and Shiloh’s face watching them is heartbreaking 🙁 I get the sense from their expressions that the fighting has been going on for a while.

    • tracking says:

      Didn’t the kids add to their wedding vows that they needed to say sorry to each other after fighting? That suggests a lot of fighting! They probably hung in there longer than they should have for the kids’ sakes, but it didn’t do the kids any favors to watch that kind of interaction. Good for Jolie for realizing it had to stop.

      • Who ARE These People? says:

        It would be a shame if she waited too long, maybe she was hoping he would change … wouldn’t be the first time. They both seem so over-extended. With his history of coping through doping, it was not going to have a good outcome.

    • doofus says:

      I just saw those pics. Knox looks SO miserable.

      those poor kids. I hope they’re in a place where they feel safe (and I don’t mean from their father, I mean in general).

      if this has been going on for a while (and most of what’s come out so far would indicate that) then them divorcing is probably the best thing for all involved. it’s never a GOOD thing, but the least worst thing.

      • Amy Tennant says:

        Knox’s little face 🙁 I wish I hadn’t looked. That felt obtrusive. I hope the kids can be sheltered from the press. I feel complicit in the problem now because I looked at the picture. Those kids deserve their privacy, and I guess I’m the kind of person who wouldn’t give it to them. 🙁
        I feel TERRIBLE.

  51. OhDear says:

    Man, I hope Maddox in particular is ok – not just from the (alleged) incident itself, but also the fact that he may blame himself for Brad’s (alleged) behavior, the divorce, and this brouhaha.

  52. Frosty says:

    It sounds to me like Maddox got between them to stop the arguing and Pitt shoved him out of the way. Sad all around. #TeamNoOne

  53. AnonDC says:

    Brad says he was drunk, so it’s entirely possible that he doesn’t even realize he hit Maddox. Not saying that’s what happened, but how would Brad even know? I hope there is video, and I hope he watches and sees for himself how out of control he was. It sounds like he’s in denial. God imagine Angie surrounded by her 6 children and their father is behaving that way. It would have taken everything in me not to render him unconscious and call the police to take him away. Praying for this family.

    • serena says:

      Angelina’s souce says he was not drunk at all.

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      Hmm. Let’s try to unpack. His sources says he was “slightly inebriated.” Which is like, “OK, he says had a few drinks, but he wasn’t, like, drunk-drunk.” Inebriated is the euphemism for drunk. Her source says he wasn’t drunk. Does this mean he wouldn’t have the excuse of blaming the alcohol for lowering his inhibitions? And does it matter either way if he went over the line with his son?

  54. Betti says:

    It takes courage to stand up to a parent, the kid has balls and its also a testament to how the Brange raised him (defending/looking out for others). He will love both his parents so it must have been quite the argument for him to intervene and it sounds like it could have been the first time he has done so.

    Now that divorce proceedings and this PR war has started I can’t imagine how he must feel, thinking that it might have been his fault which it isn’t. In her attempt to protect her family by preempting the publicity she may have done more damage but she is doing the best she can (PR wise) given that its all out of her hands now with the involvement of the authorities.

  55. Cinderella says:

    Poor Maddox, having to intermediate between two adults.

    The sooner those two get away from each other, the better.

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      That makes it sound like an equal argument, but one of those adults was drunk. The sober one did get away. Children in this situation aren’t ‘intermediating,’ they are all too often trying to protect their mother from their father.

  56. QQ says:

    OOOFF that’s it, I’m out the pool this is officially Sh*tty! cause either he is minimizing something REAL UGLY and THIS Unforgivable, where most of us can agree she wouldn’t otherwise leave or this is an ongoing pattern that so fed up the kids that they felt like they needed to step in already?!… however that works out this went past Funny Goofy stuff well into the Depp-Heard abyss of Stomach Churnery

  57. serena says:

    I was reading the TMZ article and happened to get to the comments.. how I wish I never did that.. People are insane, ignorant and misogynist. They either ‘AJ is a weirdo’ -so it’s her fault- or ‘The boy is 15, it’s normal for that to happen between father and son’ -so it’s okay to hit your son- .. What the hell is wrong with people?

    • Colette says:

      Warning to anyone do not read TMZ comments.Do not post a comment on TMZ.
      I made a mistake and posted a comment regarding Amber Heard/Depp case.I had to deactivate my Disqus notifications.I received so many hateful replys to my comment.

    • Kitten says:

      STAY AWAY from the DM comment section at all costs. It will make you weep for humanity.

  58. SM says:

    THE CONNECTED IN SOME WAY – what does that even mean? Either you get physical or you don’t. And a parent should know better, children have hard time expressing their emotions in a proper way, you learn to do that and hence this is why the parents are called ADULTS. I think that what team Pitt is trying to imply here is that there is some line between a physical conflict and heated argument. By doing that he is manipulating a lot of parents, because in our societies there still is a debate about how strict you can be while parenting, like, if the child is acting out, can you force him/her to take a seat, or just carry him/her out? If you push a child who is verbally abusive is that parenting or abuse? For example when my 3 year old is really mad that he can;t have candy, we will punch me on a leg with his tiny little hand. I usually tell him that I do not like it (just like he wouldn’t like it) and that this is not the proper way to express negative emotion and try to show how else he could do that. If I am really tired at times I will just ignore it, no matter how annoying it gets. But there is even this parenting technique (and I know parents actually use it) when you are supposed to strike back (without force of course) so the child would understand. I find that to be a core of the problem, somehow blurring the line between getting and not getting physical with a child. And he will be able to get some support behind him of those parents that favour that technique. I guess that is the point here of all this wishy-washy talk. wait till the “smartest” woman on earth – Chelsea Handler comes out and congratulate her self on not having kids, because she would be forced to beat them, because they all are just monsters eating you alive.

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      You get into some important issues here. And that parenting “technique” about “striking back” is so lame, it sounds like an excuse to hit a child — there’s no way to be “without force” when you’re 10 times bigger. And it wouldn’t help the child “understand” if it doesn’t “hurt” so this really just sounds like an excuse to hit back. A 3-year-old has to learn NOT to hit, and an adult hitting back does not teach empathy or self-control. I’m glad you, SM, choose to use talking — an adult approach involving language — to teach your child. We’re supposed to be civil and help them become civil.

      I also don’t think children can be “verbally abusive” but rather they’re testing their limits. Abuse is an abuse of power, children don’t have power and know it, so they use whatever they can. But if my kid sasses me or calls me a bad name, I don’t see it as abuse, because I’m older and have more power and resources. I might think it rude, I would have to work hard to understand the source in the context of his or her stage of development and whether I did something for which she can hold me to account (and I need to apologize), but it’s not abusive. Once they reach kind of a certain age or maturity level, then it could start to become more intentional and targeted, but — parent still has the power, owns the house, doles out the money, provides the insurance, gives the rides, has an established role in society and is generally more believed. Kids can say all kinds of mean and ugly things, but I still don’t think of it as abusive.

      • Gg says:

        She has said before publicly they argue a lot and their lives are so chaotic they have to get away to hotels often. She said she’s been so enraged she’s ripped his clothes off. Something changed and now she’s looking for an out. Sure this is the reason they’re splitting, but it’s not the “reason”.

  59. Jenny says:

    I am not a fan of either of these two people and never have been. But I have to say as a parent you should never ever ever drink in excess or get inebriated while your children are present. Even if you happen to be a “happy drunk” and don’t tend to get angry or aggressive while inebriated, even a slight change of your personality or the way you act is unsettling to a child. Both I and my husband stopped drinking alcohol at all when we had our first child a decade ago. For my husband it was especially important because he grew up with a father who abused alcohol in periods during my husband’s childhood and even though his father was not ever violent or aggressive just the fact that he was drunk and not mentally present sometimes was very hurtful to my husband. So shame on Pitt for drinking in front of his kids. Doesn’t matter in my book if he got violent or not, just being drunk around your kids is bad enough.

    • Gretchen says:

      Totally agree, Jenny. I saw my mum drunk a lot growing up and while she wasn’t abusive to me it wasn’t pleasant either. From a very young age I remember helping her get undressed and into pjs, brushing her teeth, getting her contact lenses out and into bed. It wasn’t always that extreme, sometimes she would get combative but more often than not she would start crying and telling me how much she loved me. I hated it and I resented it. I couldn’t even think of her as my mum, just this drunk emotional mess lying in a puddle on the floor. Then I felt like a really horrible child because I love her deeply, so how could I feel so ambivalent towards her.

      I started drinking heavily at a fairly young age and had a pretty messy teens/early twenties. By the time I got married I reduced my alcohol consumption, now that I have kids I barely drink at all, maybe 1 beer or a glass of wine every couple of months. I never, ever want my kids to see me in that state.

      Sorry for the long story, suffice it to say, I agree with you entirely.

  60. Murphy says:

    Yeah I figured Brad was wasted and it involved either Maddox or Pax

  61. Ennie says:

    My parents had a bad dynamic. He was a good man, But he was also an alcoholic and for a time he was a gambler who lost a lot of family money. He became better with time, but while we grew up my mom stayed because she still cared for him and for the old “for the kids”. They fought a lot, me, as the youngest and the one who had the best relationship with both of them, felt the need to intervene in their dynamic.
    When I got between them, trying to help out, I usually made things worse.
    I feel for Maddox. He also must feel responsible as the oldest kid. As someone said , all trapped in a plane. I hope someone could have knocked some sense into the adults or the adult who started it all. Even if one of them was trying not to fight, sometimes the person who is being aggressive just goes on and on.
    How sad that they did not work things out beforehand.
    Brad was the adult who became impaired and was stronger that everyone there, he should have been wiser, he should’ve thought of the consequences. I bet this is killing him, see his family torn like this. I feel for all of them.

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      If Brad Pitt has a problem with alcohol, what is killing him is the alcohol. And the alcohol takes away the ability to think about the consequences. His family isn’t torn; at this point, it’s afraid of him.

      • Ennie says:

        What I meant to say is that he probably now sees the consequences of his very wrong actions. I don’t think he ever wanted this situation, but now it is necessary.
        I am Not a native speaker, torn apart from him maybe was a better term.
        I like them both and more so together with their family, but I am an adult who knows that relationships go south if one does not take care of them, even if one shares many milestones. If being in a couple takes some effort, having a family with small kids must be very taxing but rewarding.
        He lost sight of that, he probably is dependent of his weed and alcohol at times (or even more). A parent must know better, he should have prevented this situation.
        Even if one of them was trying not to fight, one impaired or overly aggressive person is enough to break havoc, especially in a small space, traveling for hours.
        I really, really hope they sort this out the best way for the children. He needs to get his **it together and be a good father once again.

  62. loislane says:

    I want to thank the writers and posters on this site for their sense of respect. Elsewhere, comments are revolting.

    • minx says:

      This has become the only celeb site I read. Sometimes Dlisted. I can’t stand stupidity.

    • Amy Tennant says:

      I have become spoiled by Celebitchy. Sometimes, rarely, I think someone on here is a little extreme. Then I go to another site and accidentally start reading their comments, and they straighten my hair (I’d say curl it, but it’s already curly)! Our most contentious threads on our worst days are purely respectful by a lot of other sites’ standards!

      Right now going to Celebitchy ain’t gossip, it’s group therapy.

    • cindy says:

      Me too. I made the mistake of going on dlisted to read comments last night and never again. Comments here are so thoughtful, even when there is a difference of opinion. The dlisted comments honestly made me ill. I don’t want to believe my fellow human beings are that awful, so I am staying right here. I appreciate you all so much, I really do.

    • Fallon says:

      I will chime in to agree. While we do disagree on this site, it remains very above board for the most part, and tolerable. We don’t get into disgusting accusations, slurs, etc. I don’t even read comments on other sites anymore.

  63. Zut alors! says:

    I wonder if all the commenters who were so vocal about Laura Wasser will say anything about Brad hiring Charlie Sheen’s lawyer. I’m guessing there’ll be crickets from that lot or a lot of pretzel twisting logic as to why he needed to do that. It’s all Angie’s fault. She drove him to it.
    I see a lot of Angie smearing coming down the pipeline. Hope she has a lot of support in the coming days.

    • Div says:

      @zut alors!

      The misogyny in the media is incredibly rampant. I am officially done with D Listed…the comments/slant of the article were terrible….I checked out ONTD for the first time in a long time and while a lot of it was fine….there were also a lot of misogynistic, slut shaming, etc. comments. I don’t even want to look at the Daily Fail.

      I actually think Brad and Angelina both made a mistake in hiring lawyers who are notorious for leaking stuff to the press. Other than that, Brad seems like he needs to be in rehab ASAP. Worst case scenario is that this is the last in a long series of events, best case scenario is that this is the first incident. Either way, his “spin” makes the situation out to be toxic. There is no excuse for being drunk on a plane with six kids and the wording that he didn’t hit Maddox on the face is troublesome to say the least.

      Unfortunately, I see a lot of people trashing Angelina. The thresholds of what we consider physical abuse vs. corporal punishment differ and for a lot of people…they don’t think what he did comes across like abuse. Even if they feel that way, I wish they would realize that it sounds like an incredibly toxic and emotionally volatile situation…instead of writing it off as “Angelina is crazy.”

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      She’s the Hillary Clinton of Hollywood. Smeared for decades but going on with her work, head high.

      • Zut alors! says:

        I feel so badly for her. I hope she’s able to vent to someone whom she trusts and doesn’t feel the need to always hold it in and be “strong” all the time.

    • Colette says:

      Angelina has a history with Laura she handled her divorce with Billy Bob.

    • Kitten says:

      So now we’re judging Jolie based on the lawyer that she chose. Sigh. People can be so stupid.

      If you were faced with a divorce and all the custody concerns surrounding 6 children and had unlimited funds, would you not hire THE BEST that you could afford?

      So disgusted by the way Angelina is being treated.

      • Zut alors! says:

        According to some., Wasser is apparently the Johnny Cochran of lawyers or some bs like that. Points were being deducted from Angelina’s likeability factor amongst the usual vindicive, vengeful and crazy comments.

      • Eve says:

        And I hope she (the lawyer) trounces him on court. There, I said it.

        I also hope Jolie gets full custody. Really can’t wait to see the surveillance footage of whatever f*ck happenned. For a woman like Jolie to ask full custody of their children, there must have something really serious and…I suspect…not the first time it happened.

        I have said many times here I never understood what the f*ck Jolie saw it Pitt. He’s a shapeshifter — he acquires (or tries to) the personality of whomever he’s dating.

        @ Zut Alors!:

        Saw your reply on that other thread. The fact some people think she’s a master manipulator of her own public image makes me LOVE HER even more. That is badassary as its best.

        P.S.: Totally agree with your comment above. But I have an adive for both you and Kitten: stop reading Dlisted boards. Those people cannot be for real OR there are more crazy people iin the world than I thought.

      • Eve says:

        Oooops! I meant “advice”.

      • Zut alors! says:

        @Eve, glad you saw my other reply.
        Those comments I read about Angelina are from this site. I never go to that cesspool that is Dlisted.
        Angie needs to regain control of her life and be done with this Brangelina bs forever.

  64. Nikki says:

    It leaves me absurely COLD when people say “He’d been drinking” as an EXCUSE, in ANY situation, but especially as a parent. You make the choice to drink, KNOWINGLY it can hamper your judgement. A parent of 6 kids. Including teenagers, should not be drinking anyway; he should be co-parenting! I hope he gets help, but totally Team Angie on this one. And for people who are saying she’s hurting her kids, I think she’s doing what she has to: get the kids away from him

  65. Mikeyangel says:

    My dad was horribly abusive to my mother and I from the time I was 8-12. He was sober each and every time he beat us. We left because I told my mom I would run away otherwise. We had to ask a friend for a ride (had no car), live in a woman’s abuse shelter for two weeks, and moved many states away with help from the shelter buying plane tickets. The final straw for me was when he held his foot with his giant work boots above my 9 month old sister’s car seat and proclaimed to my mom and I that he could crush her whenever he wanted. After he beat on President’s Day 1995 and went to work, I told my mom I hated him, wanted to kill him, and would run away if he put his hands on me or her again, and that I was worried about my baby sister. He was a horrible monster at the time.
    I bet Brad has slowly changed over time and increasingly grown more and more abusive. I bet he slammed Maddox against the wall or something, possibly by the throat? Not hitting, yet oh so scary, possibly one of the most intimidating things a parent can do (except maybe hold a gun to your head-yes it happened-yes we had his guns taken away before we left). Things have definitely been going on, and Angie is incredibly brave, I have so much respect for her, and honestly I have never been a fan. My mom wasn’t strong enough to put me or herself to high enough priority to leave, and the stuff we went through was horrific (came home one day after school to my mom bandaged from the hospital because dad smashed a glass ash tray over her shin bone and she had to go get stitches-one of hundreds of incidents). It is important that Angie said he got drunk after. Drunk people do stupid shit, but someone who is really not well hurts his family sober both emotionally and physically, then proceeds to drink the pain and hurt away for themselves escaping what they have done. I hope he gets help, he isn’t well. Damn proud of her for being so incredibly brave to walk away, especially at her profile, especially knowing that she would be demonized, she is being selfless. Thank God there are still so many strong parents who will put their children first. Abusers take everything from you, they demoralize you, isolate you, slowly take your soul. Certainly I don’t think Brad wanted to be THAT GUY but he became him. The good news is he can work hard and change himself. I hope he does for the children’s sake. My last comment is that being raised in any kind of abuse can cause PTSD. I know I still suffer, and we walked away 21 1/2 years ago. I hope all the children and Angie work with some great mental health specialists. It does a world of good talking to a healthy person with your best interest at heart.

  66. kay says:

    well, i guess any hope of the family working through this and coming out the other side are now officially done.
    for myself: mother of a 15 year old and 9 year old, if this went down with my family, and my husband decides that his statement is, essentially, “well, sure i was drunk but she provoked me, and i didn’t hit his FACE (ie: you hit him, but where then?)” instead of “i was drunk and made some very foolish decisions, i am getting help and will work with my family to fix things”, then hubby is gone. how are you supposed to face a judge and stand beside a flipping ADULT who won’t own what they did, even eating some potential crow, to ensure the family all gets help to get through a terrible and scary incident??????
    i am praying with every OUNCE of my heart that he makes a statement today saying “yes, i was drunk and made a mistake. i am going to fix it, both on my own AND with my family. no more comments” and then they can get through the terrifying ordeal of having an outside authority in a position to take your children away from you.
    i am so bummed that he thought THIS was the way to address it all.

  67. kay says:

    can i also add: yeah, it’s a deal breaker when you are faced with saving your husband and his reputation or losing your children to foster care.
    i told my husband last night, should he or i ever lose it and make any horrible mistake that could lead to our kids being taken away, that whichever parent was the one to have made the mistake is the parent that is moving out, entering counselling and straight up owning the moment.
    end of story.

  68. Paisley says:

    What stands out to me is Brad said he never hit Maddox in the face–what about the rest of the body?

  69. Mich says:

    No excusing Brad’s behavior. Good on Angie for doing what needed to be done.

    Worth noting that his behavior could still be part of a substance abuse problem even if he wasn’t drunk at the time.

  70. Suzy from Ontario says:

    The way that statement is worded makes me think he grabbed Maddox and probably tried to wrench him away from Angie and maybe they wrestled/fought…although Brad did not hit him technically. That is unacceptable. He should have backed off and cooled down. He is the parent. Maybe the only good that will come of this is that domestic violence will become more of an issue in the public eye that needs to be dealt with! I feel bad for the kids.

  71. Jeanette says:

    This relationship sounds all sorts of messed up. It is probably for the best that they go their separate ways.

    Hopefully they can all put their lives back together, get healthy on Brad’s part and co-parent to where its beneficial to the kids.

    The adults need to lock this shit down for their sake, and quit the mudslinging. It happened, we know, now focus on the kids.

  72. Ravensdaughter says:

    I knew it was Maddox. I guessed that because he and Angelina are so close and he’s a teenager. He would have the will and size to get between his mother and his father.
    Wow-it had gotten that bad? Then again, consider the claustrophobic circumstances of a plane.
    I wonder if rehab is on the table. With all the investigating going on, I doubt it. At least we’ll have “the facts”, or as close as we can possibly get to the facts.
    We know that when Angelina is done, she is done,
    After the fact observation-damn, they were a good looking couple.

  73. Cee says:

    I hope Brad Pitt gets help, not only for himself but for his children too. He might lose custody but he needs to save his relationship with them, especially Maddox.

    That’s all I can say about this. Witnessing violent situations has a big impact on the way you handle situations later in life.

  74. HoustonGrl says:

    I grew up in a family that had a lot of blow-ups. My parent’s constant fighting made me have stomach aches all the time, and I still suffer from it. My heart goes out to those kids. It can be hard to judge what’s “normal” from a distance, but it’s never ok to get drunk in front of your kids.

    • Ennie says:

      I feel for you. Maybe that is the underlying cause of my intestinal problems too. That and my personality which tends to take in many problems who’s are not mine to solve.
      Brad and Angelina were together for the most important moments of their lives (IMHO).
      Death of a beloved parent, arrivals of their children, health scares, creating their important charities, redirectioning their professional lives.
      They were good to each other, I Hope they find their path and listen to sensible advice.

  75. Stephanie says:

    Hmmm regarding the conflicting statements about getting physical, it’s been my experience that people have very different ideas on what’s acceptable. If Maddox jumped between them and Brad say shoved him, poked him in the chest, and/or grabbed his shoulders, he may not see the big deal while Angie could. Some people don’t think it’s abuse if the action won’t actually harm anyone while others say any physical contact at all in an aggressive manner is.
    Regardless, whatever happened must have scared the crap out of Angie. I doubt it was an isolated incident and I doubt it was not an escalated incident from previous ones.

  76. G says:

    I am just going to say this. For everyone saying Angelina should have kept this quiet: Why? Why should she if her children actually got hurt?
    Also, we have to keep in mind that she IS a celebrity. Normal people ask for sole custody in these situation all the time. They put the reasons why in their initial filings. She did what normal people do. She’s a celebrity. She doesn’t get to have privacy like the rest of us. Just think, if she did everything the people in these threads were yelling at her to do (hiding the filing and announcement, not hiring her lawyer, etc etc etc), some of you would still find reasons to criticise. She’s doing what she thinks is right. If this incident happened like she said it did, who can REALLY blame her?

  77. Lili says:

    I am NOT trying to justify Brad, please. But I think family dynamics are hard to judge and S*it happens sometimes.
    I will say a personal story. When I was a little girl my father slapped me on my face, it was a sad episode and that triggered a huge fight between my parents. Eventually they divorced but not only because of that, but for many reasons. My father has a temper but he never touched me again or my siblings. We get along fine today and it was a sad episode where he lost control. I am sure he regrets it as he once told me. Sometimes we are caught in a situation where things go off hand and explode, even if normally your nature is not to be violent.
    My father is a difficult man but he is a loving father. I just hope they will figure it out the best way possible. I loved this couple and I am sad.
    I don’t think it’s Angelina´s fault how the story is being perceived, they are the most talked about couple and there was no escape, the media will try to invade it as much as they can. Hopefully they have a bright future and wish them both well.

    • Jeanette says:

      This is such an astute observation about the family dynamic! I don’t think a lot of people take this into consideration, and its either black or white to them. Spot on!

    • Kitten says:

      Yeah, I really appreciate the sentiment behind your comment.

      I got slapped a few times by my mom growing up but I don’t hold it against her at all. I was out-of-control and she reacted out of frustration. Right or wrong, as an adult that’s how I choose to view those incidents.

      Also, I was (and still am) EXTREMELY close to my mother. I never thought of myself as being abused, but maybe that’s because my mom always balanced those brief moments of anger with so much love?
      I don’t know…. when I think about my childhood, I rarely remember those times, seems like I can only remember how amazing my parents were to me and my brother. Perhaps that means I’ve blocked out things about my childhood that make me uncomfortable or maybe it means that in the grand scheme of things, the bad moments didn’t matter much.

    • Jess says:

      Thank you for this, and I completely agree about family dynamics, we just never know.

      Sadly I can understand the “pushing buttons” comments by Brad’s team, I grew up with an emotionally abusive and manipulative mother, she would berate my dad daily and constantly get in his face, I remember one day specifically she was calling him pathetic and she threw a plate of hot spaghetti in his face, he finally lost it and shoved her into the wall then left to cool off, she instantly ran off crying and got on the phone with her friends saying he beat her up, she pushes and pushes people until they snap then plays innocent victim. It’s maddening, and she still does it today to all of us, they divorced 20 years ago! So I’m hesitant to say Brad is an abusive piece of crap and Angelina is so brave and strong, only they know what goes on behind closed doors, she could be playing the media in her favor, or he could be an abusive drunk who needs help, who knows. Of course it’s not ok to get physical with a child for any reason, and I hope this never happens again.

      • Tara says:

        Yeah, but Jess, I’d consider your mother’s behavior abusive. Constantly insulting/belittling someone and throwing spaghetti in someone’s face isn’t just pushing buttons.

  78. moon says:

    This makes me really sad, and oddly I’d rather take the Marion cheating story. To have kids witness their parent(s) drunk and going at each other like that breaks my heart. Admittedly as a gossipmonger I was hooked on the initial news of their breakup, but at this point this is just sad and I hope everything can be resolved without the media’s attention.

    I feel especially sorry for the younger children. I grew up in a close family , and I remember what it was like when my parents got into very heated verbal/physical fights and eventual split. It was rough on my siblings and I – maybe I’m projecting, but the JP family always seemed close and I’m sure this must be rough on them. Family split overnight, no more living with Dad, having to watch your parents slag it out over the media. Poor kids.

  79. Elle says:

    I’ve been in Maddox’s shoes and I ended up being the one calling the authorities. Unfortunately the second the police arrived my mom turned on me and started screaming at me about why I got the police involved. Now that I’m an adult and am more informed I understand she suffered from battered women’s syndrome, but at the time I felt so betrayed by her. I had jumped in to protect her, gotten hurt, and she was blaming me! On top of that, I was flooded with guilt about getting my father in trouble with the law even though he was coming after us with a knife.

    I’m so proud of Angie for stepping up, and I really hope Maddox is also getting help.

  80. Nicole says:

    I’ll never forget stepping in, and my dad choking me, begged my mom to call the cops and she wouldn’t. My father is a recovering alcoholic and drug addict. They finally divorced when I was 25, it took years for us to build a strong relationship, but there is hope.

  81. whybother says:

    I dont understand something tho. Why team Brad specifically said that he didnt hit Maddox face? Did earlier news said anything like that? So, Brad probably hit Maddox somewhere else than his face then? This is probably has been watered down so much so I cant imagine how bad it was when it happened. The fact that Maddox felt he need to jump in btwn his parents already pretty telling to me. Hopefully those kids are ok.

  82. nicegirl says:

    Gosh, I really wish it would have just been cheating.

  83. Artsygirl says:

    I am just curious, do people have concrete evidence that Angelina herself leaked her divorce filing to TMZ? I know TMZ was the first one to report on this and actually released a copy of the divorce filing, but was it really Angelina who told them and gave them the license to publish it? I just find it a bit uncharacteristic of her, being so private and all about their personal life.

    I know some lawyer or agent released a statement but it was very short and about not further commenting on the issue, so how come all the news I’m hearing now is allegedly coming from her? ie., brad is an alcoholic, brad is an abuser, brad can’t be trusted with the children..did she really tell TMZ and other papers this? I am really confused because that’s what I am hearing now..that brad is upset that she has stooped so low as to making the situation into a media circus for her this true?

    • LittleTeaPot says:

      It could possibly be true. It looks like this is going to be a he said she said situation. Unless somebody shows some major receipts–I’m not sure who to believe, if either of them. The Daily Mail says that there IS video but it shows no abuse or physical contact. I would have thought that these two would have been much more ‘low-key’ about this, as they profess to be so private. SMH

  84. tealily says:

    Did you see that the Minnesota airport made a statement that no incidents occurred there? Is the tarmac part made up? I just saw on Vanity Fair.

  85. Tara says:

    Bizarre viewpoint. Maybe re-evaluate your relationships if they get so volatile you have to tell your child not to step in? Because *obviously* the child is *seeing* it.

    • Tara says:

      Whoops. This comment was meant as a reply to someone who said Mad should’ve been told not to intervene. Thus it dangles.

  86. Hmmm says:

    This whole thing of Brad putting his hands on Maddox, during a fight with Angelina no less, has turned me off to FF.

    FF is defending Brad. Saying it’s ok to spank your kids even though the laws in California, where they are residing, is basically against it. One poster there even said s/he spanked her kids in a drugstore in CA! I know that today in CA one would be filmed and CPS would be called.

    I’m going to leave FF and come here. I might not even like AJ, she might be all the things I can’t stand – homewrecker, etc, but she and the kids do not deserve that from Pitt. You don’t put your hands on anyone in a fight/argument, etc. That is abuse.

  87. SillbyBee says:

    Ok, I’m apparently living under a rock but what is the new meaning of “receipts” that I’m not getting? It was this and the Kanye/Swifty thing, right?

    • Laurabb says:

      Receipts equal proof. Like proof of purchase with a receipt, it has honestly started to get on my nearves with it’s overuse.

  88. Nina says:

    I don’t follow celebrity gossip especially closely, but I came upon an article a couple days ago saying that Brad’s agitated behaviour and substance abuse issues are allegedly stemming from issues concerning Shiloh’s identity. If so, thank god Angie’s getting the kids out of there.

    • SillbyBee says:

      Oh I hope that is not true, but you’re right, if it is Angie needs to get the kids the hell out of there.

    • tealily says:

      I really doubt that’s true. That sounds like straight-up conjecture. How would anyone know what his issues stem from?

    • moon says:

      That’s an awful allegation to put out there. I highly doubt it because Brad seems pretty liberal, but even if it is, Shiloh’s only 10 and there’s no need to dissect her sexuality and gender identity over the media. She’s just a kid who’s growing up. Movie stars are fair gossip game, but children? No. This is awful. True or not the media should just keep quiet regarding children.

      NOT implying that transgender is a tragic choice, but I dislike the implication here that the divorce is because of Shiloh. No kid should have to read that splashed all over the media.

    • Colette says:

      Shiloh identifies as her girl there are multiple interviews over the last couple of years were Angie refers to her using female pronouns or calls her ,her daughter.The TG theory is tabloid fiction.

  89. Shi_gatsu says:

    What kind of a relationship is it if a child needs to step in to assuage one of his parents? A toxic one, no doubt. Good on Angelina for cutting it off. Hope Brad gets help, but they should not be together “for the health of their family.”

  90. Guest says:

    She claimed she got mastectomy because of her kids yet was caught SMOKING and fighting with Pitt on Aussie balcony in 2014 this case is going to be the same. Her own drug addiction and other secret will be exposed sooner or later. The truth is both are unfit to be parents.

    • Aang says:

      If every one of us was judged by our worst moments I doubt any of us would be seen as fit to parent. I certainly wouldn’t be.

    • Tara says:

      @Guest: stone her. If she hadn’t cut off her breasts, could she smoke her cigarette?

    • Betti says:

      No, she got the mastectomy because she has the faulty gene that means she is at high risk of developing breast cancer. A very very brave choice.

      • tw says:

        I worked for 5 years counseling women with BRCA gene mutations. This is a brave, proactive decision. What people don’t understand is that most of these women (and men) with the BRCA mutation have lost family members to cancer, and many would have to undergo mammograms, MRIs, ultrasounds and biopsies twice a year. Can you imagine the anxiety?
        She also underwent a prophylactic oophorectomy. Ovarian cancer, which is also linked to this gene, carries a 50% mortality because it is usually diagnosed at an advanced stage. By removing her ovaries, Angelina eliminated her risk of Ovarian cancer, which I believe her mother died from.

    • Colette says:

      My mother had breast cancer and stopped smoking until her brother killed himself and she started smoking to deal with the stress.She stopped again.
      She is human.

    • Jaded says:

      Oh Chelsea….just give it up.

  91. Neil says:

    This just makes me sad, Can’t help but feel that no one is looking very good here. Not acceptable behavior by Brad but nor is it something he needs to be crucified for; he has issues that need to be addressed. Maddox verbally sparring with him is also not acceptable however and reflects deeper issues at play here. Angie seems a little too much the “children of the world’s champion” in her private life here; it reminded me of that scene from Mr and Mrs Smith when Brand and Angie are in the car chase scene and Angie talks about accepting that its over between them and Brad, exasperated, responds that she doesn’t give them enough space to let the relationship breath. I don’t know…. Sometimes I think Angelina’s idealism might get in the way of people just being imperfect people and I have this feeling she might be just a little too much of the “crusader” in her private life. I can see how that would be difficult to challenge and at the same time difficult to live with.

    • Ennie says:

      As I understand, AJ was raised by a peaceful woman. I don’t know about her relationship with Jon, but she seemed to take it easy and be living with her children, allowing them to be and protecting them In a. Way that it is shocking for some people to learn how she allowed her daughter’s boyfriend I instead of risking her to roam around with the boyfriend. That seems not a hands off approach, but very “hippie” (for my culture it is too much) acceptant and patient.
      Not the same with AJ, probably, but she might want to emulate that loving calm relationship, giving them space, etc. Brad probably was raised differently, and he really stepped out of the line with this. Who knows how many hours they were in that tension in the plane.
      I have fought my husband because we both have issues, but we have been trough therapy and know that we have to maintain a line of behavior (not be aggressive or passive aggressive, keep on doing small things that we both like, etc). to stay loving each other and be together.
      AJ and Brad, they have a full plate, who knows what are they dealing with. They were raised differently, they were probably a good team until they lost communication somewhere down the road. What a shame.
      I wish they were still a family, but alas, they can still be, even if not together. I hope maturity and sobriety win this.

  92. Veronica says:

    The fact that the kid was unsettled enough to get in between them is a damning statement on its own. I hope he gets help. Addiction is a beast, but his family can’t pay the price for it.

  93. Jordan says:

    What surprises me is this. People seem to go easier on a man who got in a physical confrontation with his kid than his wife.
    When the depp heard mess was going on more or less everybody said it we should believe female victims of DV. And pointed to the physical differences between men and women. There was also agreement that verbal abuse is abuse.

    Why is it different when we are talking about a child and his father? Even as a teenage boy who is starting to test boundaries , he’s still just a child without the life experience of a grown man. And look at the size difference between Brad and Maddox. That would never be an even fight.

    Brad to me is a really good actor and I respect him for the work he did in new orleaNs and plan a his production company who produced some stories that nobody else wanted to touch. But this incident is about him fucking up his family, by overstepping a boundary you never should with your child, why do people want to say it’s Angie who is hurting the kids? Or that he’s Midwestern and they fight. I mean if he’d lunged after Angie would you guys have said the same? #confused

  94. Spike says:

    Putting your hsnds on some one does not iessa hug. It’s generally used to indicate physical violence. Pitt is much taller and weighs a great deal more than Angelina’s eldest child.

    His whole statement should be used as an example of what not to do. It is poorly composed, full of contradictions that demonstrates that this ” version” of the facts is not truthful. He should shut up.

    I have a lot of respect for Angie for her immediately exiting an abusive situation.. All of the children need to be protected. This is very painful for them.

    • Josephina says:

      Maddox is Brad’s child. Brad is Maddox’s Father. And yet, you wanna imply that adoption plays a role in this? You are something else.

      As the mother and father are arguing the oldest child of 6, all of whom are watching the fight, steps in to protect his Mom. The father drects his anger towards his son, and obvously, is not pleased that that his son steps in between himself and his wife.

      Brad has been his father for 11 years. How did you miss this fact?

  95. Athena says:

    What a sad situation.
    I dont know how to say this but Angelina and Billy bob divorced when she adopted Maddox as Billy Bob did not want to be a father. And now Maddox unfortunately is in such a sad situation.
    What a heavy baggage to have for a growing child…who probably is also a responsible older brother.
    But props to him for standing up for his mom and to Angelina for having the courage to leave. With all the wealth and luxury too, it must be heart breaking for her, made worse by what is an obvious state of Denial Brad seems to be in.
    So sad.

    • crazydaisy says:

      Good point, @Athena. Poor Mad. No kid wants to feel like they are the reason their parents split up, even if it is supposedly to protect you, it’s just gotta feel twisted. Like “if only I didn’t open my big mouth Mom and Dad would still be together.” How bad was it, really? I guess we’ll never know…but I think Angie has a hard time staying with anyone or thing. She had a strange, rough childhood, too. *sigh*

      • Josephina says:


        Are you saying that you WOULD stay in a situation like this???? How are you benefitting by staying?

        Listen, … well-behaved, well-intentioned human beings can misbehave AT ANY TIME. All it takes is lack of self-control. Try to imagine living your whole life without expressing anger inappropriately. With or without alcohol (or drugs) this is hard to do.

        Angie was forced to make a decision for various reasons. She chose to protect her children. There are many wives who are unable or unwilling to make the same decision.

        It is clear that Brad and Angie still love each other. However, in a family dynamic, the needs of the children — their safety and welfare– should come first.

        I am looking forward to Brad cleaning up this mess and regaining his family’s trust.

  96. Summertime says:

    I’m inclined to be sympathetic to all parties right now, esp since Brad is being open and admits he needs help. I’m mom to four difficult boys, married to a great guy who is a hands-on dad (+ cooks and cleans more than I do). But being a parent is a huge challenge for him. He’s mellow normally, but loses his temper when they’re defiant. He’s very quick to take away privileges, often shouts and sometimes grabs them or flicks them. To be clear, two of our kids can be quite nasty — hitting me or each other, destroying our home, etc. When my husband loses his temper, I call him out on it (I want my kids to know it’s inappropriate). He then apologizes to the kids and takes a cool down while I oversee any punishments. He reads lots of parenting books/articles and has sought help from counselors. He’s trying his best, but at the same time, I wouldn’t hesitate to leave if his behavior escalated.

    I wonder if there is a similar dynamic in their household. Six kids is a lot of chaos, and maybe Brad is more overwhelmed by it than Angie. Maybe Maddox had been screaming on the on the plane, hitting his siblings, mouthing off to his parents and Brad gave him a verbal smackdown. Then Angie goes off on Brad’s parenting, they get into an argument that gets heated and Maddox steps in to defend his mom. Now, Brad is double-ticked because Maddox started the whole thing. This is where a parent needs to walk away, but maybe this time drunk Brad goes ballistic. Not okay. Not cool. Not excusable. But maybe it wasn’t as calloused and predatory as we’re assuming. And maybe Angie felt like she had no other option besides divorce in light of there being an investigation. None of that implies that they don’t still love each other, that Brad isn’t normally a good dad, or that their happy family was a gimmick. I think it means they’re like a lot of families with some very complicated dynamics. Maybe Brad and Angie have a great romance but can’t get on the same page with parenting. Maybe their kids have oppositional defiant disorder or autism or any other condition that can make parenting grueling. Who knows?

    In any event, I wish them all well and hope above all that the kids are being protected from this media circus. Only they know what really happened …

    • original kay says:

      Please get help for your whole family. If what you posted is the truth, you all need help. Flicking, grabbing, is not ok.
      Your children hitting each other, hitting you, is not ok.
      Calling your children nasty, is not ok.

      Please. Get some professional help for your entire family. How to cope, what responses are appropriate, what ones are not.

      Please. I am begging you.

      • Summertime says:

        I appreciate your well-meaning concern. We ARE getting help, and it has taught us more new parenting strategies. That said, your response is overblown. I’ll assume you don’t have kids, because our family dynamics are very normal. Most young children (mine are 2-10) hit their siblings and many hit their parents when they are upset or don’t get what they want. Older children can be disrespectful and sassy at times. Teenagers can be rebellious and even violent. Yes, parents should always remain calm, but we sometimes lose our patience. Most of my friends have admitted to spanking, flicking, or grabbing on rare occasion. There is a wide ocean between the occasional flick (for blatant disobedience) and the unrepentant abusers who leaves bruises or berate their children.

        Also, I don’t think my children are nasty — but their behavior can be nasty/cruel/extremely inappropriate. I’ve spoken to our pediatrician and a family counselor, who have reassured me it’s age-appropriate defiance magnified by strong personalities. (And with one son, some impulse control problems.) I am blessed to be patient with the process; my husband isn’t, but he’s working on it. What more would you like us to do?

        (For the record, we both have MBAs, I stay at home, we don’t drink/smoke, we have rules and boundaries, we keep a consistent schedule, we have fun together, we hug a lot, we praise our kids for what they do right … in other words, we’re not terrible parents.)

    • Josephina says:

      I think you are right on the money.

      It IS very difficult to raise 6 kids and do all of the things/activities/commitments that Angie and Brad do OUTSIDE of being parents. Angie is definitely a Mama Bear, and maybe Brad is expecting more order now that the kids are a little older and all are above the age of six.

      These two will be forever connected because of their children. They have repeatedly said that their anchor is the children. Right now, keeping the family together requires Brad to be out of the house not living with them- until he can change his circumstances.

    • Neens says:

      I don’t think it’s very fair of you to try to put the blame on Maddox and cast him as the instigator. It sounds though your kids are being raised in a pretty dysfunctional household and as a regular you’re trying to justify Brad’s actions.

      • Summertime says:

        No and no. I’m not putting the blame on Maddox. I don’t think children are ever responsible for a parent’s bad behavior. But kids can be difficult — they hit, scream, sass, refuse to obey, etc. After a long day of fits and travel, even the best parents can lose their cool.

        I was just saying there’s a chance that what preceded this event was a perfect storm of bad behavior by all involved that contributed to Brad’s bad choice. Still his fault. Still wrong. And he is paying the price by losing his marriage and possibly his parental rights. It is NEVER okay to abuse a child, but all parents have had bad moments where we weren’t as calm or appropriate as we should be. And one instance of abuse doesn’t necessarily mean a parent is beyond redemption.

        Clearly, I shouldn’t have hypothesized a scenario, just like you shouldn’t decide I have a dysfunctional family based on a paragraph.

  97. Kori says:

    The People magazine isn’t an official statement. It’s gossip. Yes it’s always said that People is the organ that celebs leak to but its also complained about on this site that it’s basically a tabloid now too. Their whole story is built around ‘sources’–they mention that word nine times. There have only been one official statement each from Jolie or Pitt plus one from the LAPD and one today from the FBI. Everything else is speculation. I hate to see either Jolie (the first day or so) or Pitt condemned as this or that or people commenting on what happened as gospel when very little is actually known. This isn’t a light-hearted celeb story where it’s no harm, no foul if gossip from ‘unnamed sources’ it’s accepted as true–this is a sad story involving two parents and six children. I’ve had CPS called (as I stated yesterday) for a 100% bull**** reason (a neighbor saying I only fed my child dog food) and know firsthand how these can get spun up but I’m also am the child of 2 alcoholics who got slapped in the face (and head and body, etc) plenty of times growing up and who as an adult doesn’t even spank my kids. Maybe because of these factors, I’m reserving judgment on the whole thing until at least the investigation results, or subsequent actual official statements are given from either party and just hope for the best for the family.

  98. madonami says:


  99. Jen says:

    I just want to say thank you to both the writer and the majority of the commenters for not pushing the sexist agenda that’s been happening on most sites- the one where no matter what happened, it’s all Angelina’s fault. “No wonder Brad cheated on her -karma!” or “Oh wait, he didn’t cheat? Nobody cheated? Still, it’s Angelina’s fault!” “Oh, he might have a drinking problem? He might have gotten physical? Well, no wonder! Angelina obviously drove him to drinking!!!” These are the comments I’m seeing ALL over the place. It’s disgusting, and so typically misogynistic. It’s refreshing to read comments that are actually reasonable and not targeting Angelina just because it’s Angelina, regardless of the evidence/lack of evidence. So thank you for giving me at least a little bit of hope that the world isn’t COMPLETELY insane.

    ETA: I hope if Brad Pitt DOES have an alcohol problem, that he gets help. I have seen what addiction can do to people, and it sucks. I hope both of them can be healthy and happy and minimize the damage to the kids.

  100. Tartine says:

    Laura Wasser also is Jennifer Garner’s lawyer.

    This part from People Magazine is interesting:

    She operates from a grounded perspective – “I have a reputation for being a pit bull, but really, I’m results oriented,” she told Dame – and will turn down a case that gets too emotional for her liking. “I don’t feel comfortable when the desire to ruin the other person is so great.”

  101. Patty says:

    Based on reports what happened / what Brad did was deplorable. But I’m also wondering if this was Jolie’s way out. As in, maybe she’s been thinking about ending things for a while and Brad just handed her a reason.

    I don’t know it just seems to me, that if this truly was a one off situation, they probably could have worked through it with counseling, classes, Brad giving up booze, etc.

    But what do I know. Maybe this was a regular occurrence.

    • Carmen says:

      Or maybe she tried repeatedly to get him to go to counseling, and he refused, and this was just the last straw. I realize speculation is useless and we’ll probably never know.

    • Colette says:

      Who said it was a one off,maybe it was the last straw.

  102. JRenee says:

    I don’t think she would have married him I’d this had been a long term pattern. I don’t think this was a plot to have him get help, I think she’s done.
    I do wish it could have been handled differently for the sake of the kids. This has to be extremely difficult for them.

  103. mayamae says:

    Team Maddox. He’s always been my favorite, and I suspected from the first that this is what happened. I’m sure none of the kids were happy to have their mother berated by their father, but Maddox is the eldest and her first, and is a brave kid for standing up to his father. And what BS that Brad had to put his hands on Maddox because they were “nose to nose”. Brad is a head taller than Maddox. If they were nose to nose it’s because Brad was bending down and getting into Maddox’s face. I hate that this will bring added scrutiny to Maddox, and at a time when the children are already stressed out.

    I’m actually more disturbed by Angie’s claim that Brad was not drunk when this went down. It means either it’s another substance issue, or he acted this way sober and has an anger and aggression issue. Who thought alcoholism would be looking at the bright side?

  104. Tara says:

    Just want to give a shout out to all you CBrs. Even when we disagree it usually ends up being constructive. Have a wonderful day.

  105. Beluga says:

    Another celeb putting out their story and it just makes them sound worse?

    I’m getting Depp-jà vu.

  106. Unoriginal Commenter says:

    I haven’t read through all 469 comments, but I have to say this story sounds so familiar. I feel like this is probably not the first time that Maddox, the eldest child, has witnessed his father fly off the handle. I remember my father screaming at my mother, right in her face, and my oldest brother, who had grown to be much larger than my father at the time, try to intervene. It did not end well. It was the only time I ever saw my dad get physical with any of us, but it was not pretty. So heartbreaking that the children saw this and that Angelina had to experience it at all. Highly unlikely this was a isolated incident.

  107. Colette says:

    I just watched ET,Kevin Frasier claims there is a video being shopped showing Brad acting drunk on the tarmac at the airport.SMH
    I think he needs to release a statement before we see the video,maybe apologize for his behavior and say he is seeking help for some personal issues.

  108. Achoo says:

    There is CCTV cabin footage on the plane, so all speculation is moot, the video with show what happened.

    • Colette says:

      Well if this is the case DCFS should make an announcement soon regarding the investigation since there is footage of the incident they are investigating.

  109. Goneblank says:

    If brad Pitt wants to salvage his relationship with his children and build a friendship/relatio ship with Angelina he needs to stop with excuses and self pity and start honestly looking at himself.

    Like many people of this thread, I come from a not so perfect family. Up until around the time I was 12 my father was an angry, occasionally violent alcoholic with underlying mental health issues. Our childhood was miserable. Eventually my mother left.

    What my father did next is the reason I love him today and we have a great relationship. He started intensively addressing his mental health and alcoholism. For a man if his age and generation and place of birth this was difficult for him. But he made no excuses. And for the next 22 years my father has actively monitored his mental health and general well-being. He’s developed strategies for dealing with stress and anger. He has built his life around this struggle. Eventually he and my mother reconciled and today they have a great relationship, as we all do. It took time. It really wasn’t until my early twenties that I trusted him again. Today I love abd admire him tremendously. He has spent 22 years demonstrating his love for us on a daily basis.

    I do believe men with these issues can change, though perhaps its rare. But as I have learned from my father, they need to start by being brutally honest with themselves. No ‘she pushed my buttons’, no ‘but I was only tipsy’. He can re-build a relationship with his kids, but he needs to cut the crap and self pity.

    • Keaton says:

      Wow. Thanks for sharing that story @Goneblank. It’s very encouraging to hear that someone who engages in abusive behavior can change. It sounds like a couple of things were really key though.
      1) Your mom needed to leave. If she stayed he may have fallen back into old patterns.
      2) Your dad was willing to be honest with himself, take responsibility and do the hard work necessary to make those changes.
      I get the feeling Brad is in denail right now so he’s not there yet but AJ leaving was the best thing – not just for her and the kids but Brad as well.

    • original kay says:

      Thank you for posting your story. It gives me such hope.

      My parents have not taken any ownership of their behaviours, and it has led to a total estrangement. Only now, in the past year or so, have I felt any sense of freedom.

      I am grateful that I stopped the cycle and married a man whose patience taught me a different way to live. My children will never experience remotely what I did.

      I’m happy for you, Gone blank 🙂

  110. Yepisaidit says:

    I always said Brad Pitt is a ******* creep. From the very beginning he’s been letting her take the blame for any and everything he does. from dumping Jennifer, looking like a drunk bum and even selling baby pictures that he benefited from. He started the MiR foundation with Shiloh Jolie Pitts baby picture money but had no problem letting Angelina take the fall for that. He never too responsibility or shared any of it. He cannot handle public scrutiny , he needs to be loved so he must be freaking the hell out right now.

    This is his karma for being an arrogant douche bag who thought he could get away with anything and Angelina would never leave him. What a stunner for his old ass.

    Now he has to look at himself in the mirror and see all of those ugly ass family/Angelina tattoos staring back at his lousy no good face.

    • Deeanna says:

      Hoo boy! I am singing an oldie today –

      “What a difference a day maaaakes…..twenty-four little hours……..”

      No more Team Brad for me. I’m now with those of you on Team Kids.

      An open letter to Brad Pitt:

      Dear Brad,
      I’ve been a longtime fan of yours, so I may be a little biased towards your side in this whole thing. But I’m also a realist, and I know that sometime heroes turn out to have feet of clay. (I was a big Bill Clinton fan. And there have been others….)

      Anyway, what I really wanted to tell you, hon, is that with friends like yours you don’t need enemies! Who the heck is “speaking for you”???? Make them STOP. Please.

      And, even if it is “just for the PR value” why not enter a rehab program at this time? You know, the old “issue a general apology for everything and get thy azz in rehab TODAY” move. And this can be spun as “Brad doesn’t know if he has a serious problem or not. He doesn’t care, he’s decided to enter rehab whether he needs it or not. For the sake of his family.” And everyone will applaud your bravery and your sacrifice for your family.

      Even if you have to postpone a movie, do it. You will be perceived as being even more brave and more devoted to your family.

      Rehab, Brad. It just makes sense.

      • smd says:

        Deeanna and Ann, yes on both. Ann I’m wondering if he didn’t take the truck maybe just tried? I’m fairly certain no matter how famous someone is you take an airport fuel truck for a ride driving drunk (highly likely caught on camera) you are getting in trouble! Deeanna even if he doesn’t want to go to lock down rehab (perhaps worried the kids will be taken out of country) he could only benefit with some good therapy/rehab. Obviously there are issues and now there is an impending contentious divorce. Lawyers, friends, PR reps aren’t therapists and counselors and I really hope for them all he adds that component to his life. You put forth all the best reasons he should do it!

  111. smd says:

    Haven’t read every comment here but close so excuse me if someone brought this up. If Brad took a fuel truck for a joyride at any airport while drunk, that is a criminal offense yes? Has anyone heard anything about that issue? My hubby works on an airport and let me tell you if you are unauthorized to be someplace or doing whatever, it is serious (especially after 9/11).

    • Ann says:

      Yes exactly, I was thinking this too! I would have been scared senseless if a drunken anyone had been driving around with a vechile full of highly explosive aerofuel! Why wasn’t he arrested on the spot? Either it is not true, I think the Minnesota Airport issued a denial, or someone cut Mr Pitt some big huge slack. Such horrible story overall. But some sorces seem to say that he *tried* to get into the truck and drive, not that he actually drove it. Horrible anyways, such normalisation of violence and drunken behaviour in this story.

      • smd says:

        Ann, I think you are right. No way if he was caught on camera driving a fuel truck drunk they would have let him go! Someone at that airport would be whistle blowing and ranting and raving, which would be the appropriate response. Too dangerous for everyone to have someone drunk driving anywhete, much less an airport tarmac as they have crazy complicated signs, marking, lanes etc.

      • Diane says:

        We can’t underestimate his star power and most people would be afraid to speak up for fear of back lash.

      • smd says:

        Update Ann and Diana,
        I asked my hubby who works at a small airport if this fuel truck thing could have happened, he said absolutely. I was shocked, but apparently where private jets land it’s quieter, the fuel truck would have just pulled over and apparently they are like any other truck and easy to drive. Hubby even went so far as to say if Brad went up to the driver and said “man I just need to cool down can I borrow the truck for a bit?” That he could see it happening. Smaller airport, at night, nothing going on and a big star asks to borrow your truck. So yeah, it could have happened.

  112. Jeanette says:

    I am beginning to think that anyone from the 90s is a lost cause!

    Kiefer is a drunk
    Brad-rage monster
    Charlie Sheen-too much no to begin
    Denzel-Is supposed to be a real ass
    Mel-another rage monster-rascist
    Ben Affleck-hot mess

    Who am I missing? I know there are others..

  113. Colette says:

    I don’t know why I am shocked in the climate we are in now but I am reading a lot of racist comments regarding this.Basically saying let her keep Maddox,Pax,Zahara the non White kids.I have not gone on TMZ,DListed,or Daily Mail.I have read comments of this nature on other sites like Gossip Cop.
    I am not adopted but it drives me insane how some people act like there are two classes of JP kids.I believe this BS started when sites started referring to Shiloh as “The Golden Child” and sites like Pop Sugar,Us Weekly would say “Shiloh and the others”.

    • merlot says:

      TMZ is reeaaaaallly bad. Super racist and sexist. This news was the first time I went on it. It will be my last.

  114. LittleTeaPot says:

    hmmmm…The house that Angie moved herself & the kids into was rented out by her in August. Was she was anticipating her exit?

    • Diane says:

      They have been talking about divorce apparently for a while though. Also a poster in DM said they own the house.

    • Paige says:

      People mag said she rented the house during the second week of September. Not August. The incident happened on the 15th also during the second week of September.

  115. Helen says:

    Uh……what other incidents have happened???? Usually with an abuser there’s a bunch of incidents to back up the claim. All of these interviews where she says what a good father he is, how great life is, etc…..all of a sudden he’s a horrible abuser? Am I the only one who doesn’t believe one bit? A person can hide themselves for so long and I don’t believe Angie would be with Brad if he was so horrible. Did he lose control on that plane? I’m sure he did. He’s been putting up with doing things her way all through this relationship it seems. And he was drinking and smoking weed for a long time, she knew that.Angie is no weak willed victim no and she wouldn’t allow her kids around him for that long if what she is saying is the truth. She is pulling every gasket to get those kids to herself and I hope it doesn’t work!

    • sasha says:

      I’ve thought about that. Her saying what a great father he is.
      He probably IS a great father – most of the time.
      And, you know when your child gets into a mess, like getting caught doing something you wouldn’t expect of them? You say something like – “You’re such a great kid. I don’t know where this came from but I expect so much more from you”.
      Maybe it was her way of validating and encouraging him to be just that, a great dad.
      Addiction escalates. What was once an occasional one off could now be an ongoing, day to day problem for the family.

    • Colette says:

      It’s possible he recently started drinking excessively.Drinking socially is not an issue,getting drunk is.I have an uncle who was a great father UNTIL he started using drugs.He was arrested,went to drug court,got treatment,classes,etc.He is a great father again.

      • Jaded says:

        I agree Colette – he’s gone through a number of episodes where he appears to have been drinking/recreational drugging excessively and it showed in his face and body. You can’t get away with that kind of overindulgence without it being painfully obvious. If he’s had a pattern of that kind of behaviour, there will come a defining moment when it starts to control you, not vice-versa, and I think AJ just reached the end of her understanding and patience. She’s a momma-bear with her kids and he just lost control.

  116. Pant says:

    I hope they get back together. Maybe if he went into rehab and they got counseling? Does anyone think it’s possible?

    • Colette says:

      I do
      Parenting classes for both of them.
      Anger management
      Marital counseling
      It’s not hopeless if both of them want it.
      First priority should be Brad addressing the drinking issue ,getting drunk around kids is a problem,IMO.

      • LittleTeaPot says:

        In an ideal world, this is possible…but I think, she is done with him. This has been brewing a lot longer than we know. I remember when I saw James H was traveling with the family & Brad was nowhere to be seen — I had this sinking feeling.

    • Malak says:

      I do too. If it’s true that they still love each other, and they both definitely love their kids, that could happen, after he gives up alcohol and drugs.

  117. Ennie says:

    We are not privy to this relationship. We really don’t know if he is doing what she says, for real.
    That narrative where she is the ring leader of everything they do and Brad follows up and has to put up with it, is absolutely tired, misogynistic and tabloidy.

  118. Keaton says:

    I’m not sure why some folks assume AJ is such a manipulative beyotch she’d lie and end up harming her children just to get what she wants. Where is this coming from? As far as I can remember she is on good terms with all her exes. Billy Bob is the one that effed up their relationship and she has apparently forgiven *him*. She was close to Jonny for a long time even though she strayed in their marriage. In fact Jenny Shimizu said AJ was 100% honest with Jonny about her feelings and that she’s an incredibly honest person in general. I feel like this pattern suggests that even though AJ is capable of doing hurtful things or even selfish things she isn’t an underhanded and manipulative person. She tells the truth.

    I also think people may have a hard time reconciling the idea Brad did something abusive and scary but isn’t a horrible irredeemable human being. They read about what happened and feel their only choice is to write him off as a human being or totally dismiss the incident as AJ’s lie/exaggeration. I still think he’s redeemable. He needs to take responsibility for his actions, make amends to his family and get help for his issues. Like I said in another post, if he does those things I’ll have tremendous respect for the guy.

  119. Rose of Sharon says:

    Did Mr. Pitt grow distant from his family over the last year or two? Did he roam (walking for hours or flying away)? Did he start drinking excessively or taking drugs, gambling or spending a lot of money without consulting with his wife?

    If so, get him to a neurologist to be tested for a common brain disorder that strikes people in their 40s to 60s called frontotemporal dementia, but is wrongly called a midlife crisis in the disinhibited type, and severe depression in the apathetic type.

    We’ve seen this recently with Mr. Depp who is probably a couple years more into this horrific disease because his speech is now affected.

  120. Mrs. Odie says:

    I still crack up every time I picture Brad trying to drive away in the fuel truck. It sounds like a scene from a comic film. It also reminds me of the few times in college I was so drunk I did things like walk into a person’s closet thinking it was the front door to leave the house and being confused out of my mind by the clothes and shoes, slurring, “Why did everyone leave their shoes out here?” and another time when the floor literally rose up and shoulder bumped me until I fell down. I mean it just JUMPED up at me. I picture Brad climbing in the truck and slurring, “I’m outta here! I am fucking OUTTA HERE!” and then fumbling for his keys. I know this situation isn’t funny. It’s so UNfunny that I have to keep going back to drunk Brad trying to drive away in the fuel truck or I might start crying.