It feels like it’s been a while since the British tabloids tried to make something happen with Prince Harry and some random woman. The last time – ?? – it happened, I think it was when some people thought Harry should get together with Athina Onassis, who split with her husband this year. While I didn’t think Athina and Harry were happening at all, they would have made more sense than this weekend’s story. According to the Express, Harry has been quietly and casually dating actress Meghan Markle. You may know Markle because she’s an actress who has appeared on shows like Suits and Fringe. She’s brunette and 35 years old (to Harry’s 32). While I don’t think Harry exclusively dates blondes, I do think he’s going to end up marrying a blonde, so I already believe that nothing is going to happen with Meghan long-term!! But here are the basics:
Prince Harry is secretly dating a stunning US actress, model and human rights campaigner. Friends say the red-haired royal Romeo, often dubbed the world’s most eligible bachelor, has fallen for 35-year-old Meghan Markle. Insiders say Harry, 32, is “besotted” with the actress, best known for her role as Rachel Zane in American TV legal drama Suits. In recent weeks royal watchers have noticed that Harry, fifth-in-line to the throne, has had a notable spring in his step and can’t stop smiling.
“He’s happier than he’s been for many years,” said a source close to the Prince last night. “He’s in a very relaxed period of his life and Meghan has come along at the right time. They are taking each week as it comes and just enjoying each other’s company but it’s fair to say that they love seeing each other and there’s a definite chemistry between them. Harry has been desperate to keep the relationship quiet because he doesn’t want to scare Meghan off. He knows things will change when their romance is public knowledge but he also knows he can’t keep it a secret for long. It’s too early to say if the relationship will lead to anything long-term but who knows? At the moment they are just taking it a step at a time and seeing how things develop.”
It is thought Harry met Meghan in May when he was in Toronto to promote the Invictus Games for disabled Servicemen. Meghan, who was born in Los Angeles, has lived in Toronto for several years and made it her home because Suits is filmed there. She married her long-term boyfriend, film producer Trevor Engelson, in Jamaica in 2011, but the couple split after just two years. Some claim they have divorced. Others say they are still married but separated. Ironically Engelson, 40, bears a close physical similarity to Harry. Meghan’s most recent boyfriend was a top Toronto chef, but at the moment she lives with just her two rescue dogs Bogart and Guy.
She has made several visits to London and has been on discreet dinners with Harry and out with his friends. Friends say Harry has been treated to her “excellent cooking” and they both enjoy yoga. She has stayed with him at Kensington Palace and met the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge.
“William and Kate really liked her and she fitted in straight away,” added the insider. “Meghan is a very confident and intelligent woman and she’s not overawed mixing with royalty. That’s one of the things Harry admires about her.”
She was seen enjoying the tennis at Wimbledon in the Royal Box on June 28 and July 4. She also posted a picture on her Instagram page of a visit to Buckingham Palace on July 5. Harry was in London during that period, joining Coldplay on stage at a Kensington Palace charity gig on June 28.
Nope. I mean, it’s totally possible that they’re dating, and I’ll admit it, the evidence that the Express gives is pretty interesting. Why would she be in the royal box if she wasn’t dating someone connected, hm? But if Meghan is dating Harry, they have no future together. It’s not because she’s brunette (although that might work against her!). It’s not because she’s American (although that doesn’t help at all). It’s because she’s already got one starter marriage under her belt. The Queen loves her ginger grandson a great deal, but Harry would never get his granny’s permission to marry a three-years-older American divorcee. It would be shades of Wallis Simpson! I’ll totally buy that Harry and Meghan are hooking up though! And I bet it’s hot.
PS… There’s an alternate reason why she was in the royal box at Wimbledon: she has some sort of connection to Boris Becker? They do charity work together or something.
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If Charles was able able marry Camilla after that mess of a scandal, I think Harry could marry a divorcee. They seem like a good match to me!
But could he married a mixed race divorcee. She is black and European.
That is SO gross to even say. This is 2016, not 1916.
It is a GROSS reality. If Donald Trump is a real Candidate for US President and the UK voted for Brexit, we should acknowledge that xenophobia and racism are still very real issues at every layer.
Why not?
It seems to me that it is the public that is opposed to this idea more than the royals.
I think it’s the public that’s not ready for a non white member of the royal family.
There is ample evidence of non white spouses/romantic liasons infiltrating the ranks of aristocracy, including the Windsors, but the wider public wilfully pretends it doesn’t happen and or imagines it is taboo or forbidden.
We’re supposed to pretend Gary Lewis wasn’t welcomed with open arms when he married Lady Davinia? Please.
Personally I think it’s gross to stay in denial about the possibility of the Windsors being racist. Considering their historical ties to Nazis that isn’t more than a generation back.
I’m glad that people on this site are so open, but that is not the reality everywhere. Also, a lot of people are “fine” with black people until they are in positions of power. Just look at what some people say about Michelle Obama being mannish and ugly and looking like an ape. Or hey, just comments people have made to me when I’ve been with a white boyfriend.
As a black woman, I would be SHOCKED if the BRF allowed someone so visible and close to the throne to marry a black woman. This isn’t some other random aristocrat or “lesser” royal. Harry is one of the best known royals in the world. No one would loved to be proven wrong more than I would.
She is beautiful and accomplished and I love the charitable work she does. She seems awesome.
Oh as IF that wasn’t what a lot of people on this site thought. Let’s be real. She is American, an actress, divorced, apparently – as I read further down – Jewish, and yes, mixed race. I don’t believe for a second that none of that matters dating/marrying into that family. Or that each one of those aspects alone wouldn’t raise eyebrows among certain people. I’m not even saying the BRF has a problem with it. I mean good god, their 20th century was a disaster of divorce and scandal. They let William marry who he wanted without debate because he knew he held all the cards. But did we forget the huge deal that was made of her being a “commoner”? If they’re smart, they’ll let Harry do whatever he wants because he is a huge asset. But if – and that’s a big if – she is it, this will come up. If it isn’t the BRF, it’ll be certain publications. I hate to point this out but 2016 or not, there are tons of racists out there. Trust me, Europe is full of them, it’s not just Trump supporters.
I’m all for it, btw. Their babies would be adorable as hell.
Seeing as the possible candidates are vetted from head to toe I think there’s little chance he will marry her IF they are indeed dating; divorce, half black, actress and a free accomplished woman hmmmm. Charles really in the end married Camilla BUT when it was time for him to really get married and have heirs she was not the chosen one. Instead they went with the right gal for the Firm. Also see Willy. If Kate had made any mistakes she would be thrown away because of her commoner origin. He made her wait for 10 long years and did to her everything under the sun and only her resilience kept her there and the fact that she was “perfect”.
I think Harry will go the Prince of Monaco route: date half the world and marry the “right” one when time comes. It’s not as he has any reason to hurry up to have heirs. Also I love her in Suits and she is gorgeous.
I am no fan of the BRF for many reasons, but I think it was Middleton’s social climbing family who really pushed for her to be there, through thick and think. It was their tenacity that got her in, not because was “perfect.” There are plenty of stories stating how William’s family despises the Middleton’s and that they think they are all leeches.
Oh and Luca76, thank you for bringing that up. Prince Phillip is really know for his tokerance.LOL!!!!!
I think social class are a bigger barrier than race.
The future king married into a middle class family. Meghan mackle comes from a middle class family too. She’s also better educated than Harry.
I think the BRF’s biggest issue would be religion. She is a devout Jew, and while Harry is pretty deep in succession at this point, he could still be the head of the Church of England.
Didn’t realise she was a devout jew. That makes things even more complicated
He can marry a person of any religion and remain in the line of succession. Only Catholics were forbidden, and that law has been changed.
I thought Sophie Winkleman’s family was Jewish? She’s married to Lord Freddie Windsor, her half-sister Claudia is Jewish. You have to ignore all the hate websites, but you can find inoffensive info about it on sites like JUF.
@Megan
Did she convert for her ex husband? Just asking because I know she was raised Catholic.
A Catholic can – since 2014 – marry the monarch but is still barred from being kIng or queen. Outrageous. No other religion was specifically barred, though I can imagine some would not be popular with quite a few of the public. Simple answer to it all of course, scrap the monarchial system.
In 2007, HM received leaders from nine different faiths at BP. They presented HM with a medal for her efforts to bridge the differences. Yes, I believe the BRF has changed with the times, especially since WW2.
Agreed and tired of ppl acting like divorce is being a serial killer…it’s sad, it didn’t work out, but people move on! BTW I think she is gorgeous!
Yes and I’m also tired of people wondering because she’s of African American parentage that she is somehow not acceptable. WTF. This woman has her own life, a career, she does charity work with the UN.
IMO She is already more accomplished than William’s limpet wife, who made up a fake job at her parents barn to be available for William.
I read the same thing about Princess Angela, a AfroPanamanian-NY woman who married a European Prince. Sad that in this day and age that some people would focus and make race such an issue about such lovely women.
She is lovely.
Mbh12: ditto.
It says more about public prejudice than the royals and or media.
I wish we heard more of Princess Angela, but I respect that they’re private citizens and they keep things fiercely private. When they married, I had hoped that she’d continue in her fashion design career. I think she designed her own wedding gown, which was lovely and nothing frilly for the 38 year old bride. Her husband’s family is immensely wealthy so they could have funded her design house.
Of course you don’t see anything wrong with it…most people on this site are not horrible bigots. But look how many people are Trump supporters. And voted for Brexit.
I agree she’s lovely (and her wardrobe on “Suits” is to die for!!), but there is still so much ignorance and hatred out there. A scary % of the population.
PS: Literally LOL at “made up a fake job in her parents’ barn” Classic!
Ok this is my only pet peeve, I keep reading that she is African American and the fact is she isn’t she is half or Beige American if you will.
As a beige myself, I don’t think it’s ok to be put in an entire ethnic group when I am actually a product of two. It is actually a massive pet peeve that I have.. not trying to be a jerk, but I am being that jerk that’s all can’t we be our own thing without being lumped into the darker half of our mix automatically?
That blue dress pic is used to torture tailors. Nice bottom, though!
I had the same thought haha
Charles is a divorcee and remarried a divorcee. Same goes for Anne.
or it’s because she’s not fully white…
Or Christian.
Prince Harry has very casually dated a black African woman before (obviously not talking about white African Chelsy Davy). I believe she was from a wealthy family in Nigeria and attended school in the UK.
This has ended up in the wrong place but….A Catholic can – since 2014 – marry the monarch but is still barred from being kIng or queen. Outrageous. No other religion was specifically barred, though I can imagine some would not be popular with quite a few of the public. Simple answer to it all of course, scrap the monarchial system.
AT, that’s historical, going back to the religious conflicts of the 16th and 17th C when thousands were killed or executed in the name of religion (the Act was passed after James II abdication and the Bill of Rights), it was very belatedly updated in 2014, except the monarch cannot be Catholic as they are head of the Church of England.
My gut feeling says this has no steam long term.
Yep
Agreed
As much as we love our Hot Prince Ginge (credit to Michael K) he still likes them blonde, rich and aristocrat. No shame in wanting to play the field some though!
Peoples type can change as they get older, broaden their horizons and mature. As he gets more and more into his humanitarian work I don’t find it strange that he’s going to be attracted to women who shares his passion.
I hope they last. I am a little jealous of her but I love these two together. Finally he found someone who is mature enough to take him very seriously. I wish them all the best.
Another supposed secret girlfriend.
Sure.
Yeah, a super secret, discreet girlfriend who’s posting about Buckingham Palace on her Instagram page just a few weeks after they met? (The royal box, B.P., she was in Kensington London at some point too. If they were dating, I’d think Harry would have dumped her then.) And the super secret relationship stayed a secret for about five whole months according to these sources. Then again, these sources know all, including of course that our beloved Cambridges gave the nascent relationship their most esteemed seal of approval and adored the magnificent Meghan, (Duchess Meghan…), but then they got a bit vague about these other little details. Like not clarifying when these two met and if she’s actually divorced 😀
@Amber
Exactly. That’s why it’s best to just wait and see what happens…even when he does publicly date. The press practically had him married to Cressida and we see how that turned out. Everything is always only speculation until the day Clarence House releases a statement of a Royal Wedding.
I’m for it, actually, if they are dating! She’s age appropriate, outside his usual dating pool, has charitable interests, makes her own money, and is beautiful! Quite frankly, he should be so lucky! The things is… it sounds like she’s got a pretty full life, and perhaps wouldn’t be interested in putting it on the back burner to marry into the firm. But who knows- maybe they’re just having fun together… or maybe this is completely false.
Wow I didn’t know she was 35. I wonder what the reaction would be to her skin tone
Same here.
I’ve seen her in Suits and and I’m surprised she’s 35, my guess was 25 – 28.
I’d guess she was about 25-28 too. She looks great for her age. Very pretty.
Same, I thought she would be 30 max! She is so beautiful.
Same here, she looks much younger. I think she is really pretty, ridiculously articulate, and the role she plays on “Suits” (Rachel Zane), is a wonderful person.
Kate should take notes on style from this woman.
She plays a paralegal on “Suits” and her clothes are far more fabulous than Kate’s!
Yeah and she has her own lifestyle website/brand The Tig.
She is also a model/designer for Reitmans, which is a Canadian ladies clothing store
She should more than fashion notes. She is also genuinely charitable.
She is too good for him and I don’t see her giving up her career to follow Harry.
If they are dating, it’s a nice PR relationship. It also helps bump the Charles / Andrew feud from the headlines…
I’m wondering what W&K are up to. This sounds like another distraction so the Dolittle’s can go on another expensive vacation.
I agree, she is too good for him! I hope if anything, they are just friends. Need her to stay on Suits!
Its my understanding that any celebrity can get into the royal box at Wimbledon, they don’t actually have to be invited by a royal. Anyway I’m reserving my judgment til I see some receipts. I thought Jenna Coleman might be a good match if he’s gonna go the actress route. I hated her on Dr Who but really liked her on Victoria
Sounds like it. From the website:
British and overseas Royal Families are invited as well as heads of government, people from the world of tennis, commercial partners, British armed forces, prominent media organisations, supporters of British tennis and other walks of life.
Invitations come from the Chairman of the All England Club, taking into account suggestions from members of The Championships’ Organising Committee, The Lawn Tennis Association and other relevant sources.
Strange that people are calling Meghan “mixed race”. She is Black, and she identifies as Black, despite what people see or think when they see her. On the show Suits, her charachter Rachel has a Black father (powerful attorney) and a White mother. I think her character Rachel is the worst part of the show (poor writing for her) but I LOVE that they made her the GF (now wife) of the main character on Suits – it’s my fav show!
I also love that Suits portrays a TV relationship that reflects more of what is happening in our society’s demographics. This is not new, and yet still rare on TV + film. All 4 of my neice and nephews are Black like Rachel – beautiful, smiley with big curly hair (even my blond-haired, blue-eyed nephew who always gets double takes -> they all inherited their grand mother’s African nose (my Mom).
She is both mixed race and black though…shes has said that in interviews that she feels connected to both sides. I dont think people are denying her black side by saying shes mixed race…
Mixed race is the term we use in Britain. It honours all the heritage.
American seem to identify Black where someone is mixed.
Yep, I’ve noticed that in America people tend to automatically identify mixed race people as Black.
I remember once Mariah Carey was asked if she considered herself Black and she said “Yes. In America”.
I think more people use multiracial or biracial. When a particular ethnic or racial background is pointed out, I think it’s more a personal choice–ie Halle Berry is half-white but she identifies as black by choice. Tiger Woods once took umbrage at being called African-American, not because he’s ashamed or indifferent to his heritage but because he was as much Asian and didn’t want it overlooked. He said he’s ‘Cablasian’ or something like that (caucasian, black, asian).
My cousin is mixed (adopted into an Irish family). Most white people identify her as black. But, she said “blacks don’t identify her as black. So when she’s in a ‘black bar’ she has trouble getting served, etc. She’s discriminated against because she’s pale.” 😞
America can be really messed up sometimes. We have a lot to work on still.
The reason for this is the “blood quantum theory”. Basically, American law said that just one drop of black blood made a person black, regardless of how far removed they were from their black ancestor. It was upheld in court many times and many states still have it in their law books. It became ingrained in the culture, and it helped maintain institutional power, resources and inheritance (black children of white slave owners could not inherit) out of the black community.
@Oce
She can socially identify anyway she chooses that does not change the fact that biologically 1/2 of her DNA comes from someone who isnt black. so technically there s nothing wrong acknowledging her mixed race
Whilst it is very much White America over the centuries that has beat the one drop theory into our heads , the way some African Americans still cling to this rule for dear life IMO comes across a bit needy to claim everyone as black.America is not the world and the social constructs therein are not only changing but do not apply to everyone else in the world
Yes, she sure can identify how she wants! And when she comes to my home state of Ohio, which she knows well, she will be considered Black, called Black, and most importantly TREATED like she is Black. Don’t let her blow-out confuse you 🙂
I think it’s really cute that you think it comes across “as a bit needy to claim everyone as black”. I don’t think it’s something “Blacks cling to”. When it is SHOVED in our faces and down our throats. How many people call President Obama “mixed race”? How many people call him 1/2 White? I invite you to join me, just to observe, campaigning for Dems in Ohio and PA – then you will hear what I am told about President Obama – “that Black President that has damaged the country”. Not that “mixed race, or biracial President”. Lol! Should I keep going?
Get WOKE – this life is not a dress rehearsal. (going back to listening to Solange’s album “Don’t touch my hair” on repeat and getting ready to go to HRC’s HQ).
Lol @oce the only one that needs to have seat here is you, girl. Show me where she says she’s black?
“To say who I am, to share where I’m
from, to voice my pride in being a strong,
confident mixed-race woman.”- Meghan Markle.
It’s literally there, in black and white. You don’t get to decide how mixed people view themselves, get a grip.
Eh, I don’t see this happening. The royal box at Wimbledon was established by the club for any and all European royalty. While members of the BRF sit there when they attend Wimbledon, the they do not own the box or issue invitations.
Many celebs (A list or not) sit in the royal box during the tournament but it sounds like she has connections with Boris Becker through her charitable work that prob got her a ticket.
I am ashamed of myself at how jealous I got when I first read this story. I am also ashamed of myself at how pleased I was when I read your article, Kaiser, which pretty much debunked the whole thing. Essentially, some of us (…me) need to make better life choices about what we focus on.
Aww…hugs to you, Amy. If I can be upset about not marrying Duke in waiting Percy, you can have a twinge about Harry schtupping the scantily clad, charity workin’ Actress. Its all good 😉
If true good luck to them but i do NOT buy the assertion that Chutney has given her OK to the relationship, she’s too insecure to allow someone like Meghan to come along and take centre stage from her. Meghan seems to do more work for charities that Chutney for a start which is a big thing for Harry.
As for her being divorced – not much of an issue, particularly if they allowed William to marry someone who’s Uncle is an underage pimp and dealer.
I don’t think Kate has any say over who Harry dates, but I definitely don’t believe Meghan met K+W at Kensington Palace because that would suggest they were actually there.
Yeah I don’t think Chutney would like this one bit. Meghan is beautiful AND accomplished.
She’s too old. By the time Harry makes up his mind and they settle into married life, she’d be close to 40 and it’s getting old to have children. The advisors want the royals to date someone for five years now to avoid problems in future.
This is just a fling. Harry keeps saying he wants to settle down but in reality he doesn’t.
There is no rush for him, Several of the Princes in Europe didn’t marry until late 30’s, even 40. I think he’ll settle down when he falls in love and finds a girl who can handle being married to royalty and the nasty British press.
Because a woman’s only value is in having children?
BTW several royal women had children in their late thirties or early forties.
Isn’t it terrible? We can’t ever just LIVE.
Come on, I don’t think that’s how @Citresse meant it. If he was a normal celebrity like George Clooney and not a member of the BRF, it wouldn’t even be an issue. But as someone else commented, Harry is one plane crash away from being the King of England so having heirs is a different story for him.
In general I agree with you, though. Really dislike how women are treated in this regard.
There are hundreds in line for the throne. If W&K and their kids are withdrawn, and Harry has no kids, surprise it goes to Beatrice and her line. They will never run out of people in line.
Nah…she just turned 35. Another year and a half to date, 6 months engagement. That leaves her at 37. If she’s healthy and maybe pops a pill or two (fertility drugs), she can still have a child.
You are fertile until menopause. That, for most women is between 44-48ish.
There’s time 🙂
IF its true.
Something about her reminds me of Pippa Middleton.
She’s older than me? She’s super youthful. Agree that I don’t love the writing for her. I think I’m on season 4. The writers have seemed a bit tired for a while. They are a cute couple on the show. The actor is married to another bi racial looking actress who looks more “white” to me: troian bellasaro. I hope that phrasing isn’t offensive. I find them both unique looking in a similar way. Maybe their hair is similar?
I just realised she is just as old as Kate (34) but looks ten years younger. She is also skinny, confident and accomplished. Waity won’t be pleased lol!
I feel like Kate wouldn’t care. She’s already got the main “prize” and will have the main title and perks that come with it regardless of who Harry decides to marry. Like most sis-in-laws though, if anything, she probably hopes that he will marry someone that they get along with. But even if they don’t, it’s not as if Kate would have to be around her all the time or live with her.
Oh really? What if its not her destiny though? Or something happens in the future that her ”main prize” does not happen?
Kate will care. She loves being the “Queen Bee” and her family love living vicariously through her. Mrs Prince harry wouldn’t have to do much to take the limelight away from Kate. She has turned out to be a real dud
Kate will absolutely care. She can’t stand not being the center of attention. She wants to be the “top dog”, always, and another woman entering the family and sharing the spotlight with her would drive Kate over the edge.
I think it would depend on how much she’d be around? As in, I don’t think Kate would be happy to have any competition for balcony appearances, but would Harry and his family be included in them?
Oh I think she will have issues no matter who Harry marries. People will do the inevitable incessant comparisons like they did with Diana and Fergie 30 years back. I think Kate is basically insecure and would have problems with comparisons, plus William is as petulant as the day is long and can’t be trusted to act in a mature and reasoned manner.
Also for some reason Harry seems to fall for women who are headstrong and have a lot going on with their own lives (Chelsy, Cressida) and aren’t content being a mere decorative limpet. Unlike a certain Waity lady.
I don’t envy Harry’s future wife. It seems like there’s strategy at times to “minimize” Harry to prop up Will and Kate. I imagine that would extend to his future wife and kids. Sort of a “Sure, she’s educated, motivated, beautiful, charitable, and amazing, but have you seen her hair? It’s just awful! And did you see her drink that glass of wine? She must be an alcoholic! And Harry’s already cheating on her with Lady Pumpernickel Blepply-Sturgess-Fancypants, you know- yes, they were seen smiling together at a function. Very hush-hush, or course- Lady Pumpernickel is engaged to Lord Floofbottom.”
@Bluerunning, this comment is hilarious! 🙂
Bluerunning you are “on to the British Press” , lol ,that is exactly what they would do after a two year press honeymoon period for the couple, they’d tear anyone Harry marries to shreds, that’s why the lady (whomever he marries) has to be STRONG.
Meghan Markle is not what I would call a “brunette” She’s mixed raced, her mother is African American.
I hope they get married, would be more interesting than another one of his British posh blonde girls.
They would have to actually be a couple, fall in love to get married.
I don’t even believe they are dating. Until there are photos, imo it’s just another made up girlfriend tabloid story.
She would be good for the royal gene pool…
In one of the first episode on Suits her character says to the main character when he finds out her father is black and she thought he was being racist: Did you thought this shade (or color can’t remember) was a year around tan???? She looked so fierce there I loved her, and it seemed genuine, Of course he was just surprised that she wasn’t a lawyer like her father and not racist of her but still loved her answer
Would the BRF really be ok with Harry (or anyone within the family, really) marrying an actress? I feel like that would be frowned upon. Wasn’t that the one of “problems” with Cressida – that she wanted to be an actress?
Prince(ess) Michael’s son Freddie married an actress, Sophie something.
I doubt they would stop him if he wanted to marry an actress. I think a working actress have to give up her career though, ..
ala Princess Grace.
Yeah, but they’re quite low in the line of succession. I think, even if Harry will never take the throne, it’ll still be an issue as he’s still very close to the line. While I don’t believe that anything will come from this, most of the royals will want him to be with an upper-middle class (at least!) white British woman. Harry hasn’t been one to follow rues anyway, but shoot..
Bet Waity is spitting feathers. Go Meghan!
What happened to the story that Harry was dating a sprinter from Jamaica’s olympic track team?
@Oatmeal…IKR! And then here we have Meghan whose 1st wedding was in Jamaica…whats with all the Jamaica centric gf news for Harry! LOL
OK, no shade on my girl Megan! She’s lovely and he’d be lucky to have her!
People are giving MeMaw Elizabeth way too much credit these days if they believe she can still dictate who anyone in that family marries in THIS day and age. She didn’t want Charles marrying Camilla at all and yet he paid her dust and married her anyway because she has always been his true love apparently. Harry can marry whoever he chooses to, just as William did. Now I doubt Harry will marry his recent rumored lady friend either but I doubt it will be because Granny said no.
Actually he really does need her permission. According to British law, the first six people in line for the throne need the queen’s permission to marry. Harry is currently fifth in line.
The law was overhauled in 2013. The marriages will no longer be treated as invalid or never existing. He can choose to marry without permission, but he would lose his place in the line of succession.
technically he needs it, but I think it would be a PR disaster for the Royal Family if they denied Harry the right to marry someone he genuinely loved because of classist/racist views.
And, I may be wrong, but didn’t William inform his family of his engagement to KM around the same time he informed the press? He didn’t give them the chance to say no.
Harry doesn’t need permission if he doesn’t want to stay in line.
William had his flunkies arrange a press conference. Once that was already done, he called HM 2 hours before that event took place. Yes, he forced their hands.
HM wasn’t the one who didn’t want Charles and Cam to marry, it was the Queen Mother. Probably why they married after she passed. In the early years of the relationship Camilla didn’t want to marry Charles, she wanted Andrew Parker Bowles(sp) who she did marry.
HM looked giddy in some photos that wedding or the blessing, so I also doubt she was unhappy about the marriage. Much better that it get resolved, they get married, and move forward as a formal couple.
“MeMaw Elizabeth”
I’m crying laughing at this
Princess Michael was divorced before she remarried, and so was the queen of Spain. Sophie winkelman is an actress and she is married to Freddie Windsor. And one of the Duke of Gloucester daughters is married to a Maori. Still, I agree with Kaiser, I don’t see anything coming out of it, but not for any of the above reasons.
Agree! I think the BRF is more tolerant now a days than we think. But, I don’t believe these articles until there is actual proof.
Letizia’s first marriage was not religious, only civil, that’s why there was so little push against the marriage and why they were married in a church re: a proper catholic marriagefor a catholic monarchy/throne.
If Meghan’s marriage was religious and christian/protestant I don’t know if they would be able to marry in a church. Charles and Camilla had a civil wedding. If she converted to judaism then I suppose she could have a christian wedding.
The Spanish King and Queen and press were horrified about Felipe getting engaged to Letizia at first. The King was totally against it and told Felipe NO it was no acceptable, they several days of arguments about it. They considered Letizia a divorcee and they were not happy that she worked in tv, even though she was in news.
In fact the first articles after the engagement were so bad they compared her to Wallis Simpson.
Felipe Threatened to step down if the King and Queen (mom and dad) didn’t let him marry Letizia.
At first Letizia was not welcomed at all, even the Aristocrats didn’t show up to meet her at one of the events held just after the engagement or marriage.
Letizia was given a hard time at first.
She was/is an amazing choice though, imo she is EXCELLENT. She is so confident and articulate. In the end Felipe made a excellent choice. She is quite wonderful in her role. Queen Letizia.
Glad Felipe had the balls to stand up to so much BS!
Oh man, I LOVE Letizia. I can’t imagine anyone giving her a hard time for being a reporter before her marriage. That’s obviously only helped and not hindered her since she clearly learned how to present herself and project a certain image in a public sphere. She’s doing great, and I’m glad that she and Queen Sofia have become friends since her marriage.
It was not considered a proper choice, a divorced ,tv news reader as far as the palace was concerned and common, they were not happy at first at all, they said ok because he fought them.
I read that she was in Serena’s box at Wimbledon (they’re friends), not the Royal’s.
And this is definitely not long term, let’s be honest.. Kate got in because of her family’s connections and wealth. Social class is still important to the monarchy, not matter what people say. It’s important that you’re the niece of some billionaire shipping tycoon or have some royalty in your blood to even rub shoulders with them, actual marriage is another story. And she’s half black? Lord…
Did Kate’s family really have “connections,” though? I thought it was more that she bought her way into fancy schools and sort of forced herself onto classmates with posh friends, that sort of thing.
“Half black”? What a weird way to describe her.
She’s half black and half white.
Sophie, Countess of Wessex married to the Queen’s 3rd son managed it without being an aristocrat, coming from a wealthy family or having any sort of advantagoeus network associated with herself, no rotal adjacent personal connections or friends.
Accidentally met a Prince at work one day, when she was filling in for her boss last minute at an event. Rare but it happens!
What connections, lol. Kate and her family have no connections. That’s their whole problem that they fixed by making the biggest connection of all. If Kate and her ilk had any substantial link to any aristos of any sort, the press would have explained as much when she and Willy got together (kind of like Fergie and Andrew). But there weren’t.
Sorry to be rude but I found her annoying as he-ll in Suits, and quite thirsty
No one is happier this morning than her publicist and agent. She’s a beautiful young woman-and seems interesting and accomplished. Actual Royal Duchess material? Doubtful-too many “strikes” against her (age, divorcee, race, religion, social status.)
I don’t think her race is a problem. I really don’t, not if Harry wanted her.
I am so here for this! She’s gorgeous and to see a woman of color join this family would be a nice change & kind of exciting. I hope it’s true.
Harry doesn’t need permission anyway–he’s over 25. But the monarchy can be slow in marital respects–it was only with Charles and Anne that divorce/remarriage became acceptable. The Queen’s cousins on the Harewood/Lascelles side were shunned for their divorces (and affairs) and remarriages. And there was the Margaret/Peter Townsend brouhaha. And it was only a few decades ago that divorcees were accepted at court. And it’s only been about 2 years since they could marry Catholics and not lose their succession rights. But Marion Stein was half-Jewish, and Edwina Ashley was part-Jewish (though her grandfather converted) and they married in without much fuss back in the ’20s and ’50s. Countess Torby, mother of Philip’s aunt Nada Milford-Haven (and an ancestress of the Duchess of Westminster and others) had African blood. And the British monarchy was always ahead of the continent in terms of ‘equal’ marriages–ie morganatic marriage doesn’t exist. If the monarch gives their consent, the marriage is accepted. Some of the deposed royal houses *still* hang on to the ‘equal birth’ requirement (or lose succession and inheritance rights) though they’ve bent to ‘allow’ marriages with the nobility–something that was a no-no even a few decades ago. They’re really snobbier than anyone. I think the biggest impediment to her hypothetical relationship is the fact that she’s an actress and all the ‘raciness’ that would come along with it. But who knows? The Scandinavian monarchies were super-strict until about the late 70s and later and now look: the future Queen of Denmark is an Aussie commoner; the future Queen of Norway was a drug-addict with a criminal ex-boyfriend and an illegitimate child; the future Prince Consort of Sweden was a commoner (not even upper class) personal trainer (and that was a years-long battle); Princess Sophia of Sweden was an actress who did ‘glamour’ modelling (ie showed her boobs); the former Princess Joachim of Denmark was half-Asian and so on. The actual ruling monarchies have adapted in the last 10-15 years, and continue to adapt, to the changing face of society.
Sofia was never an actress and she didn’t just “show her boobs”.
I await her fans slapping me down because I think she’s horrible, thirsty, and you cannot change the nature of the person she proved herself to be for a decade. She and CP need to get off the taxpayer dime and disappear into private life pronto.
nota- agreed! Sofia being in the SRF makes Monaco RF look more elegNT
He’s still 5th in line and needs TQ’s permission to marry. Only Beatrice downwards can they marry w/o express permission.
He can marry without permission and be removed from the line of succession. Walk away with his 10-15 million in personal inheritance and be a private citizen.
In other royal news, Willem-Alexander and Maxima have arrived in Australia for their State visit.
Thanks nota, I need to check out pictures. Love those two.
Good for him if it’s true!
She’s far more interesting than his usual stick-thin-Aristo-blonde type…
I had a glance at her astrology chart. There’s a lot there. Her moon is in Virgo. Guess what the Ginger Ninja’s Sun sign is…Virgo. Sun conjunct moon (in orb) -that is a huge connection. And they have a Sun/Venus cross over -both ways. Her venus in virgo and his Sun in Virgo. His Venus in Libra, Her Sun in Leo (that’s a sextile).
Also his saturn (in scorpio) squares her Sun (in Leo). That gives stability and potential permanence. Look at any long term relationship, there will be Saturn.
I am NOT saying she’s picking out lace curtains for KP. But astrologically, there are some nice things.
(if it is true, can we call her Meghan Markle, Princess Sparkle?)
Can you explain this more? I’m curious.
http://royalastrology.tumblr.com/princeharry2016
this is interesting…don’t take it seriously, but fun to read
Her Mars (in Cancer) is very likely exactly conjunct his Descendant (11 degrees Cancer). His Venus is conjunct her Pluto. These two aspects usually indicate sexual attraction.
[*waves to Goose*]
At first glace, I would never think she was mixed race. She has white features.
What on earth are “white features”?
Features that are more European looking than African.
@Bess, Africa is the most genetically and phenotypically diverse continent on earth. What the hell are African features? Many indigenous African tribes have what ignorant people like you would call ‘European’ features.There’s absolutely nothing European about them. We aren’t monolith.
Looks white to me too
R u serious?
Hahahahahahahahaha
I would think she looks more Latin than anything else.
Oh lord. Mixed race people can have any features from their parents. That’s the joy of being mixed race. (says the mixed race woman with ‘white’ features)
The main reason this won’t work out is because she’s already run to the press. That’s the royal equivalent of getting each other’s names tattooed. She should have played this a little smarter!
I’m not too familiar with royal affairs, but she’s stunning.
Yes, she is, but she’s not Harry’s type, I thought. Isn’t he drawn to blondes? That’s another reason I think it’s a fling. My prediction is Harry will marry a British woman with a home in Africa and socially she’ll be linked to the Windsors. Also- I find it hard to believe Kate has given her stamp of approval.
Any Middleton stamp of approval on Harry’s relationships would be unwelcome and unnecessary. He thought Middleton was trading on the royal connection and agreed with calling her The Limpet. He’s not going to worry about whether or not she likes his future bride.
I want to say he’s drawn to blondes, but honestly, I think he’s just drawn to people with a real presence of character? It’s likely a coincidence that a lot of those women have happened to be blondes, but I don’t think he’s really exclusive on that preference tbh. Or at least I hope not.
I think us British subjects (yuck) couldn’t care less about who Harry marries as long as she makes him happy. I like this pairing more than any of the others. Brenda would be mad to interfere.
I’ve never heard of her but she is very pretty and seems to do a lot for charity. Like most others, I find it hard to believe that Waity has given her seal of approval. I think she would be very jealous of someone like Meghan who would completely overshadow her.
If it’s true, she is certainly a nice change from the aristocratic blondes, Harry usually dates.
Agreed. Meghan is incredibly pretty and you can see in her pictures that she carries herself with a great sense of grace and poise that really draws the eye. Compare her to Waity, who washes out in every instance, and I can’t see her ever being happy about someone who she’s going to have to put up with being endlessly compared to. Especially if they’re better than her in any way.
I see a lot about the BRF now accepting other religions. What about Atheists? Would they accept someone who was openly atheist marrying into the family?
The only religious barrier to marrying into the royal family was Catholicism and that was removed in 2015.
Other religions have always been welcome by default due to the loophole created by the omission of any laws that expressly forbid them though no one has ever tested the theory by marrying a non christian.
In theory, as long as the monarch and heirs are church of England, no one cares. And until 2015, ONLY catholic spouses were a problem.
I reaaaaaally doubt that Granny in her infinite wisdom, after the colossal mess with her sister, and three quarters of her children, really gives a hoot about anyone marrying a divorcee anymore. If that were the case, she wouldn’t have given her assent to Charles and Camilla, which was FAR more of a long shot than Harry.
The British aren’t as hung up on race as much as some Americans can be. I’m not sure how much that extends to the aristocracy, but I still can’t see the Queen objecting on those grounds either. However, if she is devoutly Jewish, that’s going to be a problem. Not for the Church of England exactly, since I think it might be something they’re willing to work around (it wouldn’t look good for them to object to something this contentious), but they’d have to sort out the question of what religion his children will be raised in since that’s significant (they’re part of the RF after all).
But, I do think a small, vocal portion of the British population are going to be fairly noisy about something like this in a really ugly way. And that’s the response that frightens me more than anything else. I can’t see the RF compromising on Harry’s happiness since he really wants to get married and settle down for his own sake. But the ugly folks in the audience who devour the Daily Mail and carry on the unsavoury tradition of hating on foreigners of all stripes are not going to be okay with this.
(Also, the idea of Kate being happy about any other woman or liking them on any personal level, especially someone who is by far going to be her biggest yardstick for comparison is HILARIOUS. Like yeah, sure, I really believe that. Ok.)
Basically if he were to marry a women of color; William and Kate already lost in the media.
Kate will never be ok with anyone Harry marries because she would lose in any comparison except for laziest person and fakest accent. Kate has done nothing with her life. Both in the decade prior marriage and since. Take any woman of 34 years off the street and you would be hard pressed to find someone who has done less than Kate because most women have at least held a job down for more than a few weeks.
Kate can’t bear with not being the center of attention. It’s really funny for someone who throws such a fit when she gets on the press honestly. But yeah, anyone who Harry chooses to marry is going to outstrip her by a long shot (it wouldn’t be that difficult!) and given that Kate has shown she can’t get along with other women and hates having to spend time around them, I can’t see her ever giving her stamp of approval for anyone Harry chooses to marry. What I think is more likely is that she probably didn’t even care to meet Harry’s girlfriend (if he’s dating her), and neither did Willy. The source probably just made up the most diplomatic thing to say, because what will you say otherwise lol.
Well, *she’s* pushing this story hard…she spent Sunday night in a SUPER busy restaurant talking *really* loudly and conspicuously about it. Seriously unsubtle, 8 hours before the story hit the gossip rags. Somebody is working hard to be the next royal story!
Maybe that’s why Harry cancelled his trip to see her in Toronto? He was due to fly out on a BA flight and then word of his cancellation hit the press about 5pm today London time.
She broke the rule about discretion.
She’s not in Toronto right now. She’s on the other side of the Atlantic. 😉 (not the UK…or at least, she wasn’t in the UK last night)
Really? What’s your source? Just curious.
You said she was “talking *really* loudly and conspicuously about it”. You could put all or most of this gossip to rest by stating what you heard her say about the relationship with Harry. It would make sense that she was either confirming or denying it at the time while talking “loudly”.
She’s trolling us.
And…there’s that famous narcissistic Leo trait I am all too familiar with from my own sister. For heaven’s sake, please DO NOT bring a Leo into the British Royal Family….They already act like Kings and Queens of the universe and the earth centers around them…errr. It will not fit with their already earth and water-centric elemental family.
And…there’s that famous narcissistic Leo trait I am all too familiar with from my own sister. For heaven’s sake, please DO NOT bring a Leo into the British Royal Family….They already act like Kings and Queens of the universe and the earth centers around them…errr. It will *not* fit with their already earth and water-centric elemental family.
He is a triple earth…This relationship is not going to ask.
Gosh, he just needs to go to an astrologer already…He picks the worse women for himself, sorry Harry.
Also, she was wearing the *exact* Halloween cat makeup she’s got up on her website. Like, if she was trying to be incognito, she was being really bad at it. I mean, half the patrons in this place were Americans/Canadians (myself included, seated very nearby). She was being SO loud, it seemed really intentional. That being said, she is stunningly beautiful and amazingly fit, so I can see why he’d be into her!
I don’t think her age is a factor. Princess Angela of Lichtenstein gave birth to her son Prince Alfons at 43. Her husband Prince Maximilian is 11 years her junior and she was over 40 when they married. Talk about real love. I hope Harry makes up his mind and puts his foot down if indeed this story is true and he decides to marry her. With all the past scandals Her Majesty might give her consent. I hope it’s true. Meghan is beautiful, well educated and such a good speaker. I have the feeling she would handle the press with flying colors. If King Felipe of Spain was allowed to marry divorcee Letizia Rocasolano, so should Harry.
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