Amy Schumer posted this Instagram after the election. It’s actually a fake quote, or at least that’s what NY Magazine said after they exhaustively researched the origin of the quote, which has been widely attributed to Donald Trump for years and years. Anyway, Amy Schumer was a Hillary Clinton supporter. Amy did standup at some Clinton events, and Schumer was pretty public about her support of all things Clinton. She even joked, in an interview, that if Clinton didn’t win, she (Amy) would move to Spain or London. Following the election of President P-ssygrabber, Schumer took to Instagram to talk about how she feels now.
First of all the interview where I said I would move was in London and was said in jest. Not that anyone needs more than a headline to count something as official news. Anyone saying pack your bags is just as disgusting as anyone who voted for this racist homophobic openly disrespectful woman abuser.
Like the rest of us I am grieving today. My heart is in a million pieces. My heart breaks for my niece and my friends who are pregnant bringing children into the world right now. Like everyone else I am horrified that people believed these bumper sticker slogans filled with hate he spewed. People who voted for him you are weak. You are not just misinformed. You didn’t even attempt information. You say lock her up and you know something about the word email but what was in the emails? You have no clue. Well I’ll tell you if you were able to read this far through the holes in your sheet. They said nothing incriminating. Nothing. She dedicated her entire life to public service and got our children Heath care and education without discrimination.
He didn’t pay his workers. Started a fake college. Ripped people off. Never paid his taxes and sexually assaulted women and on and on She would have taken care of us. I personally would have had to pay higher taxes. All the celebrities backing her would have. People asked how much I was paid to stand with her. Nothing. None of us were paid a dollar. We would have had to pay a lot more because we are fortunate enough to make a high income. But we all wanted to do it to take care of the people in need. She was fighting to take care of you kicking and screaming babies. Yelling about emails you know nothing about and not liking her clothes or her hair she wanted to protect you even you.
Well you’ve gotten what you asked for and now you can watch the sky open up. Literally. I am furious. I cry for her and for all the smart people I love who know what’s right and I cry for you people who fell for shiny hats and reality catch phrases. She would have protected you. Today we grieve tomorrow we begin again. Yes this quote is fake but it doesn’t matter
[From Amy Schumer’s Instagram]
While I am not any kind of Amy Schumer fan – as I think I’ve made clear – I’m giving her a pass this week. I’m giving a lot of passes this week to every Clinton supporter and the anger, rage, fear, sadness and pain we’re feeling. Besides, what did Schumer say here that was a lie? Nothing. Her Instagram message was one of disgust and anger, the feeling of genuine unfairness that came to a head this week. It’s the dawning realization of: Oh, right. Millions of people bought into those lies. Millions of people think it’s fine to speak about women that way. Millions of people think it’s fine to elect a man who openly brags about grabbing women by the p-ssy. Millions of people – our neighbors, our friends, our family members, our coworkers, our employers – elected a ham-faced lunatic, misogynist, racist and clown. I’ll go one step further than Amy: the people who voted for Trump embarrass me and disgust me as an American, as a woman, as a taxpayer and as a patriot.
Photos courtesy of Fame/Flynet.
Preach!
I would argue that her own racist “jokes” contribute to elections of politicians from the (far) right, as well. People like her help to normalize racism and xenophobia within the society –making it seem like some level of racism acceptable. Basically, she needs to look at herself, as we all need to look at ourselves because the far right is on the rise across the globe.
Exactly
Her platform is nothing compared to what Rumpy’s was.
Well said, Kaiser. I am broken hearted for all but those who caused this travesty. I can hold my head up because my state went Blue. We we rejected hate. All those who voted for HRC rejected hate. We must now work to make sure that minorities, immigrants, the poor, the elderly, LGBT, veterans (they voted down another bill that would have aided veterans, Happy friggen Veterans Day) & woman are not marginalized.
“Stop thinking about the past. We need to come together and think about the future. Shut up and accept it. Stop protesting you whiney babies.”
– everyone who WONT be affected by a Donald Trump presidency, as anti-LGBTQ, Muslim, POC and Latinx hate crimes surge across the country
Class is actually the biggest one. These poor white people really think he gives a damn about them and that they won’t be affected. They are in for a rude awakening.
Anyone who isn’t part of the 1% will be fucked.
Trump used the southern method to reel in the working class votes.
Now watch him switch on them.
I’ve seen a lot of data that suggests this is wrong.
Trumps average voter makes over 72k a year. The largest bracket within his voters is over 99k a year.
Those making less than 50k voted for Clinton. Those making more voted for Trump.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-mythology-of-trumps-working-class-support/
The poor were protecting their interests, the middle and upper class just sold them out to pay less taxes and support the sentient id of a malicious 11 year old boy.
Hmmm. That economic data is from the primaries. (Check the date, it was published in May.) So it covers just over half of probable voters, but it’s not necessarily reflective of the final vote.
Meanwhile, if you look at the map, Trump won over a bunch of the lower-income areas in the rural North. (Areas that had voted for Obama in the past.)
Both approaches have pros and cons, but I think it makes more sense to look at the map rather than data from the primaries.
Exactly. Stop telling us to move past before we are ready. She’s safer than the rest of us so she can have a damn seat. I’ll move forward when I’m ready and able to stop being horrified by my country of birth making a decision that threatens my life.
She gets a pass this week but she should work on herself. White women overwhelmingly voted for Trump. Go find your people and talk to them and not the scared minorities
I don’t feel like giving her a pass, just because someone might agree on one aspect of my life, like a political stance, doesn’t mean everything’s hunky dory
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS to all that.
Actually, Amy is Jewish, and the more fanatic Trump followers are rabidly anti-Semitic, as is Pence. Already in the wake of Trump’s election there have been anti-Semitic hate crimes reported; two of my Jewish neighbors are very scared of being targeted. Even before Trump won, many Jewish journalists were being sent vile rants about how soon they’d be in Auschwitz. Actress Emily Rossum was just set one, with the threat that all “Hollywood” (read: Jews) would share the same fate. It’s NOT just POC who are scared for their lives; Jews are not any safer. Amy, too, will be personally affected by Trump’s reign.
THIS SH!T RIGHT HERE: – everyone who WONT be affected by a Donald Trump presidency, as anti-LGBTQ, Muslim, POC and Latinx hate crimes surge across the country
People can MISS ME and Mine with this whole “we Owe them to wait and see” /Prayers/Vote of Confidence NO We Owe Trump the same respect he gave all of us, we Owe the Republican Party every F*ckass Obstructionist Thing we Can Possibly do, just like they’ve been at for 8 years
To a gleeful coworker (straight, white & male) I proudly said “I’m happy for you. I’m happy that you were born into the privileged group of people who are able to feel anything other than terror today.” His jaw sort of dropped and he turned around.
Erica, did it really drop? Did he scamper away? Dif he drop his coffee on his shoes?
So before I deactivated facebook yesterday, my mother in law’s goddaughter shared a post with some dude bro saying “I am so tired of you privileged whiny millennials crying like babies when you don’t get your way. The people have spoken and now you’re going to go sit in your safe spaces and cry while Trump finally get’s stuff done and makes America Great Again.” She was one of the people who kept saying they both suck wah wah. Now she is calling protesters stupid and calling for unity and kumbaya.
Some simpleton I went to high school with made posted a fox article making fun of students on college campuses coming together, talking to crisis counselors, and professors cancelling classes. She said “oh my god is this real life? get over it babies.” This is a 32 year old woman who posts pictures of candy and coloring books and labels it “weekend plans.”
The mother of one of my daughter’s former gymnastics classmates posted several memes in reaction to the “What do we tell children?” articles. They said things like “we tell children to suck it up and deal with a loss” or “we tell children that this is America and when your team loses you act like a grown up and deal with it.” She also claims Hillary lost because she is a liar and a criminal and universally hated.
These three are all a) white and b) straight.
I deleted facebook, not for my own sanity or because I was triggered, I deactivated because I was about to go off on these people saying this isn’t a game, it isn’t about winning, it’s about the unaffected caring about and worrying about the affected. White privilege is alive and well, folks.
I deactivated also, but what troubles me more are how many people I likely know and respect that voted for him, and I just can’t take knowing that right now. It’s so cowardly, I know, but I feel like mentally I’d go crazy if I found out this person or that person voted for him. And I’m definitely not ready to play nice either, forgive and move forward. I’m mad as hell and I feel like if you voted for trump that says something about you as a person and that’s not thd kind of person I want in my, or my family’s lives. I feel like it seems petty, but I just can’t help it.I’m judging the sh!t out of all trump supporters and I hate looking at people with suspicion, but I feel like I just can’t trust who people say they are publically versus how they feel privately. I’m constantly wondering from my dr to my son’s daycare instructed “who are you really??”but I know I can’t handle the truth at the same time.
I’ve oddly found some comfort in FB. A lot of people on mine, and have very diverse friends, are horrified that Trump won. Some of my conservative friends are even upset, especially those with daughters. Think this election may even stir up a movement much like the teabag movement in 2010. People are angry he won.
Think about the past. Learn from it. Accept that there is something going on that we completely failed to understand. Then change what we’re doing so this never happens again.
I accept that these are the results. I’m disappointed as hell, but instead of name calling I am going to take responsibility. People of color came out and voted. We, white America, are the ones that failed, and we have to change our approach, drastically.
I was insanely angry at the protest voters. The uneducated but sickeningly smug liberals who opened the door to an Autocratic regime. That poisoned me for days. That’s the anguish I can’t with.
This is so refreshing. I have had to come off social media as I’m so frustrating and sick of reading excuses for those people who voted for him and that we need to come together and move on. I’m sorry but I am so far from being there and I’m not sure I ever will. I don’t think I can ever be okay with someone who thought a man who brags about sexually assaulting women is fine to be president. That someone who has cheated, conned and lied his whole life is more acceptable than a woman who has spent her whole life in public service and preparing for this job. I am angry. I am so f**king angry and I am not ready to “come together”.
I had to get rid of facebook because I have a lot of nitwits on there. Some of my own family, my hubbies relatives and a lot of dum dums I grew up with. They were gonna learn. If I saw one more white, straight person come out of the woodwork and tell me they voted for Trump because they ignored the “smear campaign” and focused on jobs, I was going to lose it. My husband’s cousin’s wife (another college educated white lady who gave PA to Trump) tried to sound oh so smart and shared an article from a site where anyone can published (acting like it was the damn Washington Post or New York Times) saying she voted for Trump because he has a plan to bring back jobs to this country and she didn’t let herself get distracted by the liberal media. I told my husband that if she wasn’t coming to my daughter’s birthday party next month, I was going to go off. I have shown so much restraint with family, and after going off on my mom for treating this like some sort of game, I had to resist the temptation to go off. People on there posting stuff like “um I thought people were entitled to their opinions and could vote for whoever they wanted, some of you sound more immature than my 9 year old.” or “we need to come together right now.” NOPE!!! I ain’t sitting around a campfire singing kumbaya with people like that.
For whatever weird reasons, I don’t follow my FB Friends anyway — never have. Didn’t want to get all caught up in the day-to-day with it and spend even more time on the Internet than I do … so I follow dog rescue pages, some spiritual stuff (pantheism, atheopaganism) and some glass fusing folks. That’s pretty much it. I don’t have to unfriend anyone because I don’t pay attention to them that way anyway. If we get in touch, it’s via the old-fashioned methods of phone, email, or in person. So far, I know who voted for Trump for sure (by previous in-person discussions of political views) and can assume others. I won’t contact them and if they do me and mention that they voted Trump and how jubilant they are that he won, well, I won’t respond. Ever. Do the Charlize Theron thing; they’re GONE…
I had a friend tell me verbatim she secretly hoped Hillary would win but said she had to vote libertarian. I had such a delayed reaction that 10 hours later I am reaching out to choke her but luckily she has long since gone home.
@Louisa
Did you actually read the post? That’s exactly what Amy said, so you guys are in agreement there. Never thought I’d be defending Schumer..
Amen to that! I was so upset that I reached out to my transgender friend to let him know I support him and the LBGTQ community. He invited me over and others to his and his wife house tomorrow for dinner. I’m definitely going because I need some emotional support.
You should BE the support.
Sweetheart, I’m a woman of color who reached out to my friends in the LBGTQ community to let them know I’m with them and they reached out to ME asking me to,join them. So we are supporting each other.
Sorry, I wanted to edit when I read your post again and was too late.
Let me start by saying I didn’t vote for trump. Can’t stand him. However over the last few days I have been appalled by people making such grand statements about everything who voted for trump as was done above. Not everyone who voted for trump is a racist, homophobic, sexist, etc. How is this language and classification of millions of people any better than what trump has done over the course of the election. I know a lot of people who voted for trump and while I don’t agree with their decision, it’s their right to vote for who they want to. Im exhausted by all the hate on both sides. As President Obama said I’m rooting for trumps success because the opposite will only divide us further.
The results of this election has really forced me to self-reflect on how i intend to pursue social justice in my world – OUR world. And i think it begins with me extending that inquisitive respect that i have for POC, other forms of minority identities and my own community to the people who voted for Donald Trump. I’m Muslim, Southeast Asian, American-educated and hope to come back to the US very soon. My boyfriend of 5 years is an American citizen and is Mexican. Donald Trump as president of the free world will have very profound impacts on our lives. But what i’ve realized most post-election is that i need to start listening to “the other side” as well. Their concerns, their grievances, their needs – those are all just as important as mine.
TO BE VERY CLEAR – YES, THERE ARE TOXIC AND POISONOUS ELEMENTS IN HIS CAMPAIGN AND ELECTORAL BASE. Donald Trump is NOT a good person. His message was racist, sexist and ableist. It seems like a good number of people who voted for him see their ideals reflected in him. Those people – the white supremacists, ethno-nationalists, bigots – are people i am not willing to reach out to and explore the possibility of compromise on. But the rest of them, i do want to listen to them. I do want to hear them out. I do want to see if i can improve our lives and our communities together.
Frankly, i don’t have it all figured out. These are my initial thoughts after some introspection but i am still trying to reconcile these conclusions with the awareness that Trump’s win has brought out the ABSOLUTE WORST in a lot of people, especially white people. Just read Shaun King’s timeline and see the horrible personal stories of harrassment that POC and minorities have faced 2 days after the election.
It’s hard to empathize with a lot of them because they DID vote for Donald Trump. It’s hard to empathize with them because sometimes, it feels like they are making it clear that they do not care about anyone else but themselves. On one hand, i understand their frustrations and anger at “the establishment.” Yet, the sad reality is that these same people who are burdened by economic problems, financial worries, uncertainties about the future – they will all be let down AGAIN by Donald Trump and his empty promises. We have to help them too if we want to heal a divided nation. I’m not even American but i know how important it is to start the healing process. Too much is at stake for us not to try to work together.
Great comment Tifzlan.
I have reached the same conclusions, but your beliefs seem to come from a nicer place than mine. I’m taking a coldly rational, manipulative perspective: in 3 and a half years the progressives will have to convince the people who just voted Trump not to give him a second term. The more they get insulted now, the harder it will be to court them later.
Your version, recognising that others’ grievances deserve to be listened to, sounds much nicer than my version.
Here’s my attempt:
The working class is not “white”, it is multicoloured – and more than half of it is made up of women. We’ve got to try and spread an understanding of intersectionality that doesn’t limit itself to race and gender, but also to class. Possibly change the top down language of “privilege” into something that goes bottom up and starts with various disadvantages instead of various privileges?
Ack. I dunno. We need to reclaim the term working class and stop making it erase POC (and women, for that matter). I really don’t feel any line of thinking that goes along the lines of, “If only we could find something positive in the prejudice of the white poor…” is going to be helpful. There’s NOTHING positive about prejudice.
I don’t really even know what I’m saying.
It is a religious war, Sixer – and whatever means, justify them, for their end goal is power over Us all, and the right to impose their beliefs upon the rest of their fellow man, for God; Himself. Their religion tells them, that must must simply believe – and heaven is theirs….
I think sometimes class is more detrimental to ones place in society versus their outward appearance. I’m mixed race, my grandparent were under Jim crow laws. I say this because poor whites have the same disadvantage as any other group that doesn’t matter to elites or even middle America. Unfortunately they often mocked and dismissed as rednecks and yes racist. We have a caste system in this country based on peoples income and their ability to earn income as we see it. Minorities figure into it because a brown persons fate is based on how they can contribute to society. Its based on their race and through that lens, a lot of people see them as people that can’t financially contribute to their wealth. Its messed up but its a definite caste system. Unfortunately working class & poor whites think they can contribute because they are white, but they are very ill informed that the wealthy see them as trash because of the class system they are in.
They saw the vilolence at his rallies, they heard his disgusting words, they knew of the mounds of evidence of his vile and/or illegal deeds, they knew of his racist, homophobic, sexist, etc. cultists and they still chose to vote for him, so I have no problem at all with grand statements being made.
Agreed, if your desperation for change (or social security or whatever you choose to believe Trump) comes at the expense of people of color, LGBTIAQ+ community, women´s rights, etc. then YOU ARE A RACIST, HOMOPHOBIC, AND MISOGYNIST Person. You just don´t value the lives of minorities, end of story.
At least some of that violence was incited by people hired by the Democrats…and developmentally-disabled people at that.
Yup. agree. He made plenty of “grand statements” of his own. I say protest protest protest and put the GOP on notice that the people are watching and will not lie down and roll over on command.
So then how are we going to get those people to vote for our next candidate? Call them more names? Ignore them more?
So then how are we going to get those people to vote for our next candidate? Call them more names? Ignore them more? WE CAN’T WIN THE PRESIDENCY WITHOUT MIDDLE AMERICA.
It was indeed their right to vote for who they want, and the US Constitution upholds that right.
While it is unfair to paint millions of people with the same brush , it is accurate to state that these votes were cast in self-serving ignorance and total disregard for the rights of the most vulnerable and those without a voice.
A vote for Trump was, pure and simple, a human rights violation.
No, no, it really wasn’t a “human rights violation”. You say it’s unfair to paint millions of people with the same brush, and in the same sentence and the next one you do exactly that!
Yes, self serving. Black, white, rich, poor, gay or straight, we vote in accordance with our self interests. I don’t know that I could ask the proverbial straight white male to vote for a candidate he perceives as detrimental to his welfare with the hope doing so would assist others – others he believes are invested in his downfall. That defies human nature.
I don’t hate, I’m appalled, sad, and frightened. As with any loss, this will take a while to accept. Acceptance wont mean that I approve or support him, it will just mean that I am a realist. But not yet. And I am entitled to my own thoughts and feelings. Yes, people had the right to vote for Trump. And I have the right to believe they are idiots.
Like I said above the hate is exhausting. I am all for people being upset and appalled at the outcome of the election. But name calling, bullying, and all of this is just unneccessary. People vote for a variety of reasons. My husband is Hispanic comes from a family of immigrants. Their reasons for voting for trump were surprising to me. They were incredibly personal and not for all the things you all are saying. I choose to respect that instead of calling them idiots. I can only hope that there will be smart good people behind trump and that we hold our local representatives accountable so they don’t just tow the party line.
@SBSSCR:
Who exactly is being bullied?
And do you think Trump’s birther nonsense and the horrible way he spoke about President Obama for the past 8 years (and encouraged his supporters to as well) was also bullying?
‘Not everyone who voted for trump is a racist, homophobic, sexist, etc’
no, not everyone is. in the same way not everyone who voted for brexit is xenophobic. but voting for the sort of candidates who promote this sort of behaviour, makes you part of the problem.
No, but they are a least one of those things. otherwise, why vote for him.
I agree with this comment. I also did not vote for Trump and found him horrifying. I am really and truly sad by the division in our country. I am sad that immigrants are afraid and I am sad that an obviously sexist man won. But I don’t think it helps to bully Trump voters and call them names. I know lots of people who voted for Trump, reluctantly and for individual reasons. I strongly disagree with them but I am not going to call them names. I am just choosing to hope for the best at this point. I wish we would all stop yelling and just listen to each other.
False equivalency. Calling voters who voted for Trump racist among other things isn’t the same as Trump’s shenanigans. In addition, most of the people saying this aren’t running for the President or now President-elect. Big or Yuge difference. I would hope any person who said and transpired to do some of the things Trump has said would automatically be fired. Honestly, think about it if you or any friend said this and we knew you’d be fired, but apparently we have a different set of rules for celebrities. He was right for that.
Take all that away, and what I am stuck with is how uneducated and ill-informed a large section of the US population is. They honestly believed his business prowess mainly as their whole knowledge of him comes from a reality tv show. Most of it is bluster, and almost all is scripted. Look NYC his home town and they can’t stand him. In addition with little to no training we have a hired a person for a very big job that knows nothing about it. My suggestion is the next time one of these people needs heart surgery hire the best plumber you can find. It’s similar isn’t it. See how that works for you, because although I wish him success, I feel like this is what America has done.
I disagree that Trump voters are not bigoted. In the practise of social service work — where we strive to diminish the effects of oppression and educate those in places of privilege about how their actions an inactions affect others — we have a saying: “Silence is consent”. In other words, if you stand by and allow an injustice (such as misogynistic, homophobic or racist words and actions) to occur by not speaking up, you are enabling the oppression to continue. Your silence implies a tacit agreement, whether you realize it or not. Therefore, an outright supportive action such as VOTING for a misogynistic, homophobic racist bigot demonstrates a strong enabling this reprehensible behavior. That means you’re HELPING this behavior to continue by the individual and sending a message that it’s okay. It means you’re accepting it as a model for others. That makes you a bigot. Whether you realize this or not. Whether you want to be or not.
Another day, another delusional Trumpster-apologist trying to tone-police, #NotallTrumpSupporters and white/hetero/cis-splain away the valid criticism and reactions of people who have to deal with the ramifications of people whose political beliefs and actions threaten their (and their loved ones) rights and safety being given political power. All because they don’t want people pointing out what their husbands and friends are complicit in. If you’re more worried about your Trump/Pence -complicit bae or bestie being called a stupid misogyny-supporter or promoting ‘politeness and political impartiality’ then what’s just happened in this country, you may want to re-examine your priorities. Just because people have the right to vote for whoever and whatever they want in this country doesn’t mean that that political choice is above criticism when it’s something that puts other people and their rights in danger. #NotAllTrumpSupporters Are Like That, but they do bear responsibility (that’s what comes with important rights like voting). If a politician isn’t above criticism, then neither are his enablers. The Trump supporters who weren’t motivated by hating or feeling threatened by the idea of equality but were willing to turn a blind eye to racism, xenophobia, misogyny, sexual assault, and homophobia because they thought he’d bring them lower taxes/more money are still guilty of selling out whole groups of people for money. Nothing about that screams ethical.
Thank you. Maybe they aren’t all racist but you can bet they are either, privileged, uninformed, unintelligent, or selfish. Yes EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. Including my own parents. I will not make peace and sit around the campfire with these people.
It’s certainly the right and privilege of someone to vote for whomever they want; the reason people are so upset about Trump voters is because Trump is so clearly unfit to be president of the United States. Period, ended.
It says everything about, not only a person’s intelligence and willingness to look at information critically but, most importantly, their values. What’s important in life, in the world, not only to them at this very moment in time but to everyone in the connected world we live in. I don’t need or want ‘friends’ who voted for Trump, and I make no apologies for that.
I absolutely agree with you. What people are calling others is absolutely wrong. Calling rural people dumb and uneducated really gets to me. I am a Canadian and could not vote but I am a farmer and am not dumb or uneducated. These generalizations and lumping all people into 1 category is just uncalled for to put it mildly. And so much of it from celebrities who are living their privileged lives. It’s time for people to stop and think what they are saying.
I am from a rural area as well, and I can see how people around me may have felt slighted the past eight years.
No Dem presidential candidate in years has come within 90 miles of where I live (and most of us are within one of two CSAs, which are is one of the top 45 largest in the nation — so there are population centers to visit). I have been thinking about that, and realizing that DT did come to the area, and placed coal miners front and center at that appearance.
We can’t downplay the rural insults and how people may truly feel forgotten.
it is no one’s right to vote to curtail the civil rights of others. NO ONE’s.
Let me borrow from Sartre : YOU ARE YOUR CHOICES.
If you vote for or abstain to vote against a misogynist, racist, homophobic, etc… pervert, contributing to his being elected to represent you, that’s your choice. And yes that’s who you are. Deal with it. You have the right to your choice and the responsibility of them.
If one does not want to be labelled misogynist, racist, homophobic, etc…., one should not associate with proud misogynist, racist, homophobic, etc….
Did she leave the country yet?
We can only hope, and that she takes Lena Dunham with her.
Canada needs a big sign. Winter is coming.
Seriously. How intelligent are you if say you will leave the country if something happens that you didn’t like, and then to deflect the fact that you (in fact) NOT leaving, begin insulting those who disagreed with you?
Get rid of the Electoral College NOW.
I know it will take some time, but it an arcane system designed to protect slave owners (seriously). The sad reality is, your vote doesn’t count unless you live in a swing state. The system is broken, and this bigot’s election proves it. There’s a petition going on at change.org…everyone please go sign it!!
I just did! Thanks for bringing it to my attention!
Yeah, the Electoral College proved to me that I would have to move to another state to make my Dem-vote count. I’m in TX, and even though my county pulled blue**, I was amazed at how fast TX handed over their Electoral votes well before all counties were in. I was hopeful to see it flash (projected) blue for a few minutes before it went red.
**Disheartening to see that all the major metropolitan areas pulled blue here
https://www.google.com/search?q=2016+election&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#eob=enn/p/tx/0/0///////////
I am sickened by the result, and dismayed that a candidate can win the popular vote and still not win the election, but I’m not sure a simple nationwide majority is the way to go. If someone could be president just by winning a few large metropolitan areas, that would marginalize even more people. Perhaps the electoral college could be reformed, rather than just eliminated altogether. Maybe the winner-takes-all component should be removed, or the votes could be increased and reapportioned so that one electoral vote in Wyoming represents the same number of people as it does in California.
The Electoral College is not going away, but there is an excellent argument to be made that states should split their votes. If one candidate gets 51% and the other gets 49%, why should the first candidate get all of the electoral votes? Only two states split their votes currently. Maine splits theirs by Congressional district. That sounds like a good plan.
Robin, that sounds like an excellent plan and one that wouldn’t be quite so radical as doing away with the electoral college altogether – which I agree is never going to happen. I wonder what the count looks like done that way. My state was solidly blue, but I think if we counted by district it probably would have split its votes.
Yes, and I said this yesterday with saying California should try to secede from the union to try and force the issue. The three largest states are the most underrepresented in the Union with the electoral college. Citizens of Texas, NY and California per person have less of a say in our system than citizens of Wyoming or South Dakota. The reality is it has damaged the democrats more, but if the republicans think it won’t hurt them eventually they are nuts.
I wonder if a case could be made that the electoral college, as it currently exists, violates the equal representation clause in the Constitution. It might be an interesting test case for the federal courts. I doubt the current crop of Republicans would be interested in giving more power to the liberals in big cities, but you’re right – eventually the current system will bite republicans in the a$$ too.
This!…and there should an uprising from both sides to support it. Rather than protesting Trump that was unfortunately elected, protest the system that elected him. Wyoming should not have more power than the state of California that has 10 times its population. you get to decide how your state is governed by the people you elect.
My 24-year-old daughter and 21-year-old son are literally crying over this man’s “win.” They thought they knew where they lived and what America was about, and now they discover that they were wrong and that everything they believed is false. It is devastating to them. And I don’t even know the words to say that will make them feel better. As a parent it’s really hard not to be able to comfort your children, not to be able to make the hurt go away. And even worse is that I am sure it will get worse before it gets better.
Yep. I’m sick to death of people saying “Oh the lefty/liberal elite/whatever need to stop treating Trump voters (or UKIP voters here) as if they were all racist, they’re just economically disenfranchised, they’re scared, they want reassurance, you should reach out to them”…. F*CK THAT. They are not scared.
I’m sorry, Trump voters, but if someone can be openly hateful, racist, misogynistic, transphobic, islamophobic, so utterly hateful of everyone who isn’t exactly like him – if someone can run on a ticket of insane promises like mass deportation, xenophobia, isolation – if someone can lie and lie and lie, verifiable lies, about everything, even the things he’s said himself some other day – and you VOTE for him? I’m not going to hold my hand out to try to understand you. I’m gonna assume you’re a racist mother*cker just like him, because otherwise YOU would NOT have voted for him.
I don’t want to understand. You stab my child in front of me and laugh at my tears and expect me to try to sympathise with YOUR FEAR? Not my job anymore, and not the job of anyone who knew the storm of hate and fear this man was brewing. MILLIONS, not just in American but across the world, can see this man for what he is. The information is available, easily, right now, it always was, but you ignored it. You were happy to be ignorant. You knew: you just didn’t care. He’s a bigot, he’s a fascist, he’s an idiot, and so are you.
Don’t anyone tell me to reach out to those who vote for people like Trump – those voters ought to be begging the rest of us for forgiveness. “Can’t shake the Devil’s hand and say you’re only kidding.”
(Sorry, this rant was aimed at the imaginary Trump voter I’d like to be screaming at right now. My heart goes out to you, America. I can’t even pretend I feel like this is your problem. Aside from the other fascists, EVERYONE is scared now, across the globe, and we’re right to be afraid.)
America bought into the “everyone is laughing at us” routine spewed by Trump. The fact is that the world respected America as a rational world leader. What America does affects the world. Russia won and is laughing at you American chumps. They wanted to destabilize the country and the world and that is exactly what they did. Good going you stupid American’s who voted for an obviously racist/lying Trump or stayed home on election day because they just “didn’t like” Hillary. The thinking world has a right to be angry too!!!!!!
Well everyone is laughing at you Now. And being scornful and terrified for the future.
Amen!
Thank you! I’m tired of people trying to defend the Trumpers by saying they are not all bigots or uneducated, or just mad at the status quo. If you call yourself an educated person while saying you voted for Trump that really does not help your case. You are still deplorable, you are just an educated deplorable – which if you think about it, is actually worse. If I can’t explain your actions by blaming a lack of knowledge or understanding, then I’m going to think you basically just suck as a human being.
I think it’s delicious irony that Trump voters are calling for tolerance. Dear Trump Voters – welcome to world you created. It’s horrible when other people judge you based on just one thing and are automatically prejudiced against you. Now you know how it feels.
What’s more important? Being right, or fixing this fiasco and keeping it to just 1 term? Because done is DONE. It didn’t work during the election to call them racists, it’s going to work now?
@Bridget, as I commented below, I’d rather we try and build bridges to the people who didn’t vote at all, rather than give any legitimacy to what Trump stands for. I still believe there are enough good people in the country that we outnumber those that stand with Trump and his ilk, hopefully this is a wake up call.
I am not an elected official, so thankfully I will not have to find a way to work with those people, but I want my elected officials to find their own moral line in the sand and hold it at all costs. Being tolerant of intolerance has had horrible consequences in the past, and the road to hell consists of many small compromises, at what point do we stop and say “No more”?
The things that kept those voters away are the things that drove some of them to vote for Trump, though.
We blew it. Donald Trump gave people in those Red States false hope and it worked because Clinton gave them no hope. We had a terrible ground game, we put forward the most establishment candidate we could find in a year when the electorate was screaming for change. Hillary Clinton was never going to be elected president, for a lot of reasons. Every time we call all Trump supporters racist we completely miss what got him elected in the first place. We failed. The DNC failed MISERABLY. So how about instead of doing more of the same that didn’t work we actually try something different?
No I don’t want to get to know them either. Sorry, but even if you tacitly supported him for other reasons or for one issue you unfortunately supported hate. I have been reminded of this poem or sermon from a pastor in Germany during WWII. I looked it up and he was Pastor Martin Niemöller. In fact through this whole campaign I have been reminded of this, as my mother told me this as she was a young woman working during WWII. She told me about some of the victims that managed to escape and worked with her and they had their concentration camp tattoos on their arms. She had me at 45. She like a few women quietly broke through a lot of barriers for women, but I didn’t appreciate until later. I was praying this wasn’t where we are, but sadly I think we are.
When the Germans first came they came for the communist. I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionist and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics and I didn’t speak up because I was Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left.
We need to speak out!!
Thank you for this quote.
I remember it, for school. I was 14, and our history teacher showed us the film Nuit et Brouillard, then wrote this quote on his blackboard and let us go without saying anything more.
To this day, I still cry every time I think about it.
I believe there are Trump voters who feel they are not racist (“Hey, I’ve never used the N-word!” “I don’t hate Latinx people!”) or sexist (“I’ve never sexually harassed or assaulted a woman!”) but they MUST own the fact that they voted for someone who is. They MUST own the fact that they thought those things were forgivable from a presidential candidate. They MUST look us in the eye and say “I know he said that, I hear that you’re scared and I don’t care.”
My favorite ” I have Hispanic and black friends, I even have gay friends”, yet they vote the people that spite them and openly denigrate them. Even wanting to make laws to discriminate against them. In the end think they are very very selfish & narcissistic, shallow people that only think of themselves and their family, maybe. There is deep narcissism/selfish attitudes in Trump voters, believing their rights are above everything else including the constitution.
Here I am venting steam again and agreeing with Kaiser, even though I haven’t agreed with her about some celebrities. I have to say I am disgusted by everyone who voted for this ass called Trump and also by the people who didn’t vote or let him get away with his lies while over-focusing on Hillary … media included. This election also exposed the racism and sexism that quietly is still sitting like bile under the surface in America. If you are an African American or Muslin whose son died for America. you realize that many people around you are hiding their racism. If you are an inexperienced young woman starting out in your profession and think (as I’ve heard them say many times) sexism no longer exists, perhaps you now realize that you are being secretly maligned and really mere scum in America. America’s true colors are shining through and it isn’t all shiny and bright it is dark and hateful. Hillary was just trying to take care of people and you spit in her face again as you’ve done in the past.
Ah, yes, because insulting and labeling people has been so successful in making the deplorables see the light and vote for Clinton in a landslide. I’m sure that after we spend the next four years writing endless opeds about how racist and misogynist Trump supporters are, we will totally win back that midwestern/ rust belt “Blue Wall”, which somehow voted for a black man two elections in a row.
Who gives an eff about winning them back?? We don’t cater to hate. Half the voters rejected him. This is a movement to energize good people, not pander to haters.
^^ This ^^ There is a huge pool of people who were too apathetic to vote at all. How about we win those people over instead?
With this strategy, in 4 years will we have a Trump re-election. We cannot do this again.
Its called winning in 2020, with that short-sighted emotionally charge non-analytical attitude you do realize Trump will be elected again in 2020? YOU are the hater to Trump. So your anger will anger them to turn out the vote, just like this did time. Pure emotion only leads to apathy and division. Not enough numbers to win elections. This problem needs to be tackled with intelligence, rationality and gratuitous anger. Obama would disagree with your statement as well as Hillary Clinton. Also you do realize Michigan, Ohio & Wisconsin were lost by very close numbers? Hence why Hillary has won the popular vote. The real story is also, Democrats had a very low turn across the board, they sat on their apathetic butts and many didn’t vote. A lot of blame lays in the Democrat liberal land itself and they need to address the problems in their own party and part of it they have neglected the working class vote. Its more complicated than just being angry about it
(Posted before seeing R’s comment above.)
This is a false insight actually. Trump tapped out that blighted/rural constituency, and, while I think it would be political to economically govern for their benefit, I don’t care to appeal to them and make them feel better about their wordview. I know why they voted for Obama, I ‘ve lived among them for 15 years, and considerations of racism were at play (you don’t vote Republican, you don’t vote Mormon, yeah, I’ll vote for a n…., close paraphrase). If the Dems want to expand their vote they’ll have to cater to the urban youth.
Not directed at your point, but I’m sick of these invitations to kumbaya and empathy. They don’t benefit me. If Trump supporters are indeed decent people, they’d better start yelling at those who harass women and Hispanic kids as we speak.
I’m not talking about empathy – not for that worldview. I dont care to ‘hug someone who just voted for Trump’ and ‘lets all support president elect bc we’re one country.’ I am for healthy pragmatism and for winning. I want to see the map painted blue so that we have universal healthcare and female bodily autonomy and gun control. But I dont doubt for a second that there were several times as many speeches and articles coming from the Clinton camp (and the media that supported it) about the dangerous bigotry (also – Putin! brought us more in the debates than ISIS or taxes or healthcare) than those screaming “you have economic anxiety? YOU ARE F*CKING YOURSELF OVER ECONOMICALLY BY VOTING FOR TRUMP!” And maybe the next guy (ahem, Elizabeth Warren) will energize “urban youth” enough to win by another thin margin, but the other side will be just as angry and energized, and next time around they wont even have an excuse of not wanting to vote for a dilletante bigot.
The one “empowerment” strategy I’ve seen come up quite a bit even before the election, is the “well, the Bad Side is mostly old (white) folks, and that demographic is getting smaller every year due to, um, age, so we know our enlightened way will win out soon/in the end.” Just think of it for a moment – our side is essentially rooting for half of our countrymen and women to die out. So morally righteous.
I’m not sure what your main point is, though. That we should have appealed to the rust belt? By not pointing out that they are voting against their interests? By not calling out their racism and all those other isms? Tall order. I don’t have a crystal ball, yet I think you’re essentially wrong if you think the base is gonna stay angry and energized. Once the economy contracts, most and not all them are going to be despondent and culturally isolated. If Trump doesn’t bring jobs back (and how could he, with the exception of natural gas, maybe?), I don’t see the “other side” staying put. Unless, and this is double scary, we’re gonna have a leettle war or two, just for sufficient distraction. You know, like Putin did since 1999, basically.
A few points here. First, Putin came to power in 2000, the wars he fought (Chechnya, I guess you’re referring to) were those started by his predecessor, and by 2014 the Russian’s real GDP has grown more than 300%, so… no distractions needed. When westerners see his high approval figures (again, even if we talk pre-Ukraine, when anyone barely talked about Russia), what they fail to understand is that they dont mean that the population is fauning over him, or that everyone’s an idiot brainwashed by propaganda. It’s that everyone but the Russian millenials remember the 1990s on the brink of starvation, demographic and infrastractural collapse, salaries and pensions unpaid for months or years, and rampant violent crime, and say, this, today, is MUCH better. When Russians support Putin, they actually are voting for their own economic self-interest, first and foremost. The “liberal opposition” enjoys <5% support precisely because of the "liberal" 1990s; meanwhile nearly 40% of the parliament is made up of communists and LDPR (=Russian Trumpists).
What frightens me about Trump is that he is a supremely effective demagogue. That he WILL find the way to blame any suffering on the revanchists coastal elites – he is already doing it with the protesters! That he will keep the crowds angry.
My point is that doubling down on insulting the new political majority as weak (the pull quote from Schumer's piece), deplorable, racist etc, and otherwise shaming them, is simply counter-productive. We dont have to agree, and in fact, we can condemn, sure, but we can also talk about other issues. Those where we CAN make inroads, bring people over to our side. They're more likely to listen to reason on everything from immigration to healthcare if we're not calling them names in the process. We tried the other way. And lost.
No, actually I mean 1999. I’m referring to the, um, Ryazan non-bombing. I’m sure you know what I’m talking about. Plus, all those other border wars.
Then: yes, I would not discount the trauma of the 1990s, that was horrible, but, boy, I can’t congratulate the Russian millennials for flocking behind an evil prick who, what you know, makes the trains run on time, but kills, follows, and harasses journalists (do you think it’s possible that that is why you don’t have a diversified political opinion?).
Then, that income spike is grossly unbalanced between Moscow and, say, Saratov, between the ethnic Russian and the ethnic Uzbek, or educated and uneducated.
Final point here: Russia’s economic growth was mostly, if not massively, due to high returns from fuels and massive investments in the defense industries. I’m not smart enough to explain it, but both strategies, esp. the second, are unstable and with limited time benefits. Saudi Arabia showed an impressive willingness in wanting to keep their oil market shares, even when the price of gas was plummeting, while Russia can’t afford the same strategy. Military investments don’t stimulate consumer involvement, and require other little wars. I don’t want to be callous, but this “prosperity” is fool’s gold.
Re: your last paragraph, without a trace of sarcasm, I can say that it sounds good and I wish it possible. But I’ll point out that it’s what Obama and the Dems have been doing for 8 years, trying to dialogue, while actually taking the economy out of the gutter. THAT outreach failed. I won’t waste time either insulting or trying to understand Trump supporters, they’ll vote Dem soon after they wake up.
Have you seen the numbers? Millenials came out at the rate they always come out. POC voters came out. The Democrats are lost if they cannot figure out a way to re-connect with white, middle and lower class voters. I’m sorry that those aren’t the ones you want.
I’ve seen the numbers, Bridget, and I think you got it wrong (true though, not all the numbers are in). The millennial share of the electorate dropped by close to 10 points compared to 2012. And that’s in the context of larger population figures. It’s even more acute when it comes to the battleground states, esp. in Arizona, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania (same goes with the POC vote in MI and PA).
It’s bizarre you think I don’t “want” the lower-middle class white vote. I rather see them as an nonfluctuating demographic.
“I don’t care to appeal to them” – how else should that be interpreted?
This cannot happen again, and it worries me that people have totally missed how this happened in the first place. I am furious, I am livid, but at US for not doing better.
those people are lost.
No lies detected. I see people on other sites saying move on, it’s done. Nope. I want him opposed, protested and called out at every turn. I want this to be the most miserable time in Donald Trump’s life. He earned it. And then he can swan dive into his grave.
I demand justice. And that can only be served by this man, his flunkies and his idiot supporters getting their collective comeuppance.
Say it loud, say it proud.
A beginning not an ending and hope this has woke the apathy that deeply sleeps in our electorate. 2018, we have midterms and people should start campaigning to unseat Republicans. 2018, we have an election where we can gain a few seats, 202 we could gain a lot of seats. 2020 is the congress that gets to gerrymander. We need to get the Republicans out period and definitely before 2020.
…donald didnt win…hillary lost…end of..sad really…she was always gonna fail…
She didn’t, actually.
Wrong-o.
Hillary actually won the popular vote. She received 61,292,712 votes compared to Donald’s 60,565,143 votes. More Americans voted for her than for the fascist cheeto.
Donald received more electoral votes. It doesn’t make sense that electoral votes count more than the popular vote. It should be the will of the people, not some outdated electoral college which should have been removed a long time ago.
I know this will sound hateful, and I don’t know how to rephrase it so that its not. The Trump win affirms who I thought America was. The Country as a whole~ I’m not remotedly surprised by Trumps landslide win. I’m terrified by it, and disgusted and disappointed. But not remotely surprised. I’m So sorry.
It was not a landslide win though. It was an Electoral College win and HRC won the POPULAR Vote… while it doesn’t change the situation it does give a small bit of relief.
Especially as the Electoral College roots are in efforts to protect slavery in the South. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/electoral-college-slavery-constitution/
46% choose not to vote. Choose not to oppose him. Basically saying it’s ok either way. That means around 70% american were pro or not against Trump and his racist, homophobic, misogynistic, etc… views.
In the aftershock, I’ve been stunned by the amount of women I thought I knew well who voted for him. Educated women with daughters…Van Jones was right, this was a whitelash.
They were right when they said women would decide this election. Unfortunately those women voted for a misogynist bigot. The Republican party spent 20+ years going on and on about Bill Clinton’s sex life yet when their candidate brags about sexually assaulting women (with audio/video of it!) it’s suddenly not an ~issue. Van Jones needs to commentate my life, he is always on point.
I thought she was headed to Canadanadan
“If you needed open heart surgery and you had a choice between a dr with 40 years experience with a pending malpractice suit and an manager of a Burger King franchise which would you chose?” America, you chose the Burger King option.
That is the most elemental way of looking at it.
i still stand with her.
I love this analogy.
#notmypresident
I often said something similar during this campaign: Imagine you were going for heart surgery, and while you were being wheeled into the OR, you said “Screw you, doc, and all your education and training! I like that loudmouth janitor over there! He speaks his mind! I want him to operate on me!”
Well Amy always liked your show thought you were crude but funny. Not that you’ll care but now that I see your attitude towards people who do not agree with your way of thinking you will no longer get any of my money and/or time.
I’m sure she’s crying over this loss.
Doubt she cares about getting the KKKash from ‘Merrica’s anti-woman, anti-LGBT pro-Trump Trash. Not everyone in this country is willing to sell out the rights and safety of whole groups of people for some $ (oh, I mean, “the economy is rough and I don’t want to pay high taxes”).
I’m Canadian. Sorry I should have said that in my post.
I can’t believe I am going to say this but right on Amy Schumer. Right on. Thank you for being in the fight with Hillary Clinton. We may have lost this battle but we will most certainly win the war.
To quote Oprah: “When people show you who they are, believe them.” This man ran on a platform of hate and ignorance. I would be shocked if anyone who voted for him could state what any of his policy is. If you can’t grasp why people are outraged that this bigot is now the leader of the free world then you are, in fact, part of the problem. I grew up in and live in a state so red, it is blinding. Not a single person has confessed to voting for this monster. None. When you allude to your party affiliation but won’t even utter the name of the man you voted for – you are a coward. I can’t even begin to express the horror of these past few days. It is an unending nightmare. You’re offended that I call you a supporter of hate and intolerance? Then why, in God’s name, did you cast your vote for hate and intolerance? Take ownership of your complicity. I’ll call a spade a spade and you can continue lying to yourself.
I cannot “get over it”. OBAMA was the first president in many years that I believed cared a bout a middle-aged working poor woman. I have worked my a@$ off all my life. For the last 13 year’s I had no insurance until the ACA. I was recently diagnosed with high blood pressure and glaucoma. My daughter is going to a nephrologist for early signs of kidney disease brought on by severe pre-eclampsia during her pregnancy. I expect our insurance to be history by March. Ryan has already stated dismantling the ACA is their first priority. I work 2 jobs just to have the basics for my family. At the warehouse Wednesday, a truck driver said hateful, unforgivable things to our security guard, who is a woman of color. I am a Christian, but Trump is the Antichrist. Hitler not only murdered Jews, but also homosexuals,handicapped people, and the poor.Jesus save us all, we are doomed.
@wolfie Hugs to you and your family.
All the reports of hate crimes happening this week in Trump’s name are horrifying, and while I am lucky to live in a liberal, progressive bubble, I still fear for my black, Muslim, disabled, and gay friends here.
I just can’t understand how the people who voted for him based on his “policies” still could do so knowing that it was a package deal with the misogyny and hate that was spewed for months.
Honestly, I feel like we completely missed the boat here. Think about it: people voted for Donald Trump despite knowing that he is incompetent, unqualified, and a racist. Why? Because when people were screaming for a change within a broken system, we gave them the most establishment candidate of all. Every day, I will stand up for injustices, and I will let people know that they are seen and I won’t let them down. But you know what? Screaming at those other Trump supporters that they’re racisists and STILL ignoring what they’re telling us they need is only going to result in 8 years of Trump in the White House, not 4. I’m not saying that now we roll over and play nice, but I am saying that if we can’t reach out to those Rust Belt voters who have been telling us they voted for him in spite of his racism, we are doomed to repeat ourselves. I am so ready for change.
This is not that simple, yeah maybe they’re not all racist misogynistic bigoted but racism mysogony etc wasn’t a stopping point for them. This isn’t just different ideas on foreign policy and economics, it’s about taking away human rights from the most vulnerable percentage of the citizens. All the ones voting for him to bring back the jobs, cannot possibly believe he will bring them back. His business, his acquaintances businesses his familys businesses they all took those jobs away from them. They cared more about making more money themselves than making sure the blue collar factory American workers had benefits and a decent salary. This is common knowledge.
Think of it this way: how desperate do these people have to be that they thought the racist misogynist was going to help them more than the other person? These people believe THAT MUCH that the system is broken. That kind of desperation, and we’ve ignored them. We failed them.
I agree with you totally Bridget.
And I was also being coldly pragmatic, but I just saw a statistic that has sparked my first bit of true empathy for Trump voters: Trump votes were highly correlated with the rate of mortality of middle-aged white men. (google death predicts whether people vote for trump)
Mortality rates for white middle-aged males are actually increasing. That shouldn’t be happening, not when everyone else is living longer. Change in number of deaths per 100,000 people, for males 45-54, (between 1999 and 2013): Blacks down 215, Hispanics down 64, Whites up 64. Then split the white group further: Whites with college-degree down 57, some college down 3, no college … up 134.
Middle-aged uneducated white men have seen their rate of survival decrease while everyone else’s improved. The figures don’t show exactly what they’re dying from, and the obvious guesses would be suicide, alcohol and opioids, decreased health care, poor health choices – all of which are linked to economic struggles.
It has opened my eyes. There *is* some real desperation there, something that needs to be investigated.
Lucrezia, very insightful post. You are right that the majority of American’s have been ignored, and they aren’t having it anymore.
But did they vote for him despite knowing that he is a racist, misogynist, homophobic pervert? Or did they vote for him because they knew he is a racist, misogynist, homophobic pervert ?
Since he had no real economic program beside lets-get-everyone-different-deported/in prison I’m not gona excuse them and say his proposition was sooo good that it could not be ignored, despite every thing else.
If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. That’s just the way it is.
I agree with Amy. Not entirely sure what Trump supporters voted for. Hillary’s emails this and that she so dishonest that blah blah. Meanwhile the individual they voted for started a fake university, (which is under investigation) used campaign funds to buy copies of his own book so he would get back the proceeds, also used campaign funds to put money into his business, violated trade embargoes, has almost all of his products made in China, openly mocked a disabled person joked about being able to shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose support wants women punished for terminating pregnancies and the incredibly long list goes on. I’m all for shaking up the establishment but this was not the way to go. The individual that people that Hillary lost against cares about nothing but himself.
You forgot Bengazi! Bengazi! When Hillary….well I don’t exactly know what she did but….Begazi!
Whenever America elect a fool, I know they are drumming for war. Who better than Donald to ignite a war?
Guys there are se far more corporates hurting economically world wide. And America ruled by corporates.
Those corporates or octopus thrives and fix their losses with wars. stop blaming each other the game is bigger than Trump?
This is why he himself is surprised to be elected POUS. He is the fool who will ignt the next war and the one will be fully blamed for it.
Those who vote for tramp some belong to the octupos system and others are clueless .
Mercy on us
Well, America….never again will you be able to call yourself the greatest nation on earth. Because the rest of the world will never take you seriously again. Dubya was embarrassing, this is horrifying. You are no longer world leaders. And if you think this ridiculous decision isn’t the business of people outside your borders, think again. I personally witnessed an offensively racist rant in which the phrase “Trump has legitimized white power!” was used as a threat in a public library only two days after the election. It’s us who need the wall now.
I think it is condescending to assume trump voters didn’t know what they were doing when they voted. THEY KNEW. I think trump played on the oldest common denominator in human nature-the desire to scape goat. Yes, many trump voters are poor. But it feels good to blame someone else, to rage against people of color, women and LGBTQ. It feels good to have an outlet for your rage. Now we have a president who encourages that rage, and that feels exhilarating to trump voters. Well, enjoy. Because poor people will be the first to suffer when Trump cuts off social services. I don’t want to hug or sympathize with anyone who voted for this lunatic….and it is so patronizing to assume they even want sympathy.
I don’t either….they can all go fuck themselves, just as they’ve done to the rest of us.
A lot of successful, educated people voted for Trump. Doesn’t mean they are racist, sexist etc. It only means there’s a two party system and they had 2 viable choices. For many people it comes down to the economy and which candidate’s party better suits them. I don’t know Amy’s education level but I get that social issues are much easier to understand than economic.
Kindly explain how Trump is going to create/maintain/bring jobs back, while NOT hurting the consumer through protectionism, while NOT raising taxes on the rich and corporations. With what money is he going to fix the infrastructure, as he promised? What is the American leverage in renegotiating a trade deal with, say, China (other than nuclear weapons, but wait, they have them, too, but we have more, yay). You should know that American markets are still attractive to China, but they have been diversifying and weakening their dependency to our Walmart type market for at least a decade. And now that I remember, a bunch a post industrial assets in the rust belt are already owned by Chinese mixed-financed trusts. China owns Toledo, in other words.
So maybe you voted for Trump now please reassure me that he’s gonna deliver with the economy. Don’t spare me the details, I will understand you.
Of course he’s not. It’s going to be a total disaster, and I am just praying that we can minimize it.
But in that same vein, Hillary didn’t give those voters much in the way of an alternative. Of course they’re going to be sold a bill of goods, but where was she?
He’s also promised the biggest tax cut ever. It’s a beautiful thing. It will be yuge. Trust me.
Uh, no. More false equivalence. What is the basis for your opinion other than Fox News platitudes? Evidence, please.
“A lot of successful, educated people voted for Trump. Doesn’t mean they are racist, sexist etc.”
Sure but it means that they are OK with having the highest office of this country being held by an individual who has openly made racist, sexist remarks, and who surrounds himself with such individuals*. And, oh yea, is also backed by the Klu Klax Kan.
The fact that overt racism and sexism did not automatically disqualify Trump from being their candidate of choice is downright disgraceful.
It’s a shame that racism and sexism can be brushed aside so easily, as a no big deal sidenote.
One can not brushed aside so easily racism and sexism and for nothing without being ok with it, ie being racist and misogynist.
Yep. Good post Cat.
How naive. Hillary wasn’t going to protect “us” any more than Trump is. Hillary is a career politician who is well versed in looking out for number one (her and hers). Trump is a career celebrity businessman (using that word loosely) who us well versed in looking out for number one (his and his). Either way, the poor stay poor and the middle class gets poorer. Get a grip everyone. And as for mocking the colleges that felt the need to cancel classes and offer therapeutic settings to express feelings, yeah I mock them too. These are our future leaders and they crumble when things don’t go the way they want and are unable to function. THAT scares me more about the future than Trump or Hillary could.
Kindly do some research on the toddler and his lies. There is a rich history of vilifying Germans and Italians who “felt” (touchy-feely in the manner to which you allude) offended by an election which “didn’t go the way they expected.” Memes, all. Please consult history and do not resort to Fox-level platitudes. There is a bit of difference between being offended at not winning and being horrified at an inevitable apocalypse that the ascension of fascism will create. The sour grapes meme equally applied to those who foresaw the horror of fascism.
she’s the one who’s weak!! she has no class at all. ever since she step into Hollywood, all she does is cause trouble. I hope she leaves this country and never come back!!
I luckily don’t have a lot of Trump supporters on my Facebook feed being from NY and having mostly liberal friends.
But of course I do have one conservative uncle who lives in SC who watches Fox News like it is gospel and before he deleted his old FB account was constantly reposting obscene articles from conservative FB groups. When he posted a picture of Michelle Obama and captioned it “skank” for no reason I had about enough.
Last night my mom posted a video of young people protesting the election in Boston to her feed. My uncle smugly commented “They don’t get how this process works” to which I replied rather diplomatically what makes our country great (using Trump’s slogan on purpose) is the right to protest peacefully and express our discontent. My uncle went on a long unhinged rant which included terms like “demoRATS” and how the left was the one harboring the hate and that we were mad for not getting a winner trophy for participating. I wrote a long response rationally explaining that his bullying and name calling was not a solution. Realized my uncle is an idiot and deleted my response before I posted it and texted it to my mom instead. I’m done talking to him and luckily don’t have to see him often because he lives down South. but I am so glad I am going to France instead for Thanksgiving. I suspect other family members voted for Trump and simply are not admitting it.
“weak” was all she could come up with? How about moronic, quivering, gutless, stupid, sickening or maggoty?
So Schumer posts a fake quote and then rants about how people are uninformed and didn’t attempt information? Not surprising. I’ve heard a lot people proudly proclaim that their Facebook feeds are echo chambers and that they delete anyone who disagrees with them. Cognitive dissonance is a real problem.
Cognitive Dissonance is especially a problem when people vote for a man who advocated for hate, division, racial profiling, homophobia/transphobia, yet they can’t fathom why anyone would think they themselves would endorse such things.
This is not cognitive dissonance. It is delusion. This collective delusion is now obvious to the world on a horrifying scale, and it’s highly questionable whether the United States can survive this–as the Canadians here have cited– even if the deranged toddler is as incompetent as president as he was in his business life.
One story that’s stuck with me is a woman on Twitter talking about going to see her very sweet Muslim doctor the day after the election, and them having a cry together in the examining room, and the doctor had a bunch of blonde ladies working in her front office who had voted for Trump “for the change”.
The change being their own future unemployment? Because their boss can’t exactly give them a job if she doesn’t live here anymore thanks to Trump… How can a person cluelessly vote for deporting the person who created the job they’re earning a livelihood at (and getting health insurance through)?
expected reaction from a bourgeois feminist.
And yet its not Trump supporters looting, rioting and terrorizing people…all because they don’t think they same way as them…. Kind of ironic to because that’s the very think they blame Trump for.
Amen!