I keep saying that I love the fact that Tom Ford has a movie out right now because I love Tom Ford’s interviews. It will never stop being true! Tom Ford is a wonderful interview subject. For someone so posh, wealthy, artistic and elite, he doesn’t seem to mind doing interviews with outlets and TV shows that some might consider “beneath” him. For example, he appeared on The View yesterday. Think about that! TOM FORD. On The View. It was actually amazing. You know why? Because he’s a gossipy bitch and he loves to chat. I love him. So what was he gossiping about? He was asked point-blank if he would dress First Lady Melania Trump. And Tom threw shade. Because why not?
On the idea of dressing Melania: “I was asked to dress her quite a few years ago and I declined… She’s not necessarily my image.”
Why he doesn’t dress many politicos or political spouses: “The first lady — other than the fact that I’m a Democrat and voted for Hillary [Clinton] and am very sad and disappointed that she’s not in office — even had Hillary won, she shouldn’t be wearing my clothes. They’re too expensive. And I don’t mean this in a bad way… [She needs] to relate to everybody.”
He dressed Michelle Obama once, for a dinner at Buckingham Palace: “I thought that was appropriate and I was honored. I live in London, and so that made sense.”
Whether Melania should wear designer clothes as FLOTUS: “I’m gonna leave that to Melania.”
I’m including the video below, which is completely amazing. As we discussed last week, there will be some designers who flat-out refuse to dress Melania, and I’m guessing Tom Ford will continue his Trump-boycott even when Pres. Trump is in office. But what I like about what he said is that he was throwing shade YEARS ago. Like, he never thought Donald Trump’s trophy wife was good enough to wear his clothes. Never!!! And his opinion hasn’t changed.
Photos courtesy of WENN.
Love it!
And dear Lord, how can that mail-order bride even see after the hoisting done to her eyes??
LMFAO!
I find this boycott of Mel T. is ridiculous simply because she is wealthy enough to buy and wear whatever she wants to. Sure you can say that she will not get that “specially made for her” dress or whatever but at the end of the day dress is just a dress.
But I think dressing her contributes to the normalization of Trump. So am here for anything that adds to the narrative that this is not normal, that this man we have in the office is a psychopath.
Cynthia, yes. In this case a dress is most definitely not just a dress.
You are missing the point. In celeb world, it is considered gauche and unseemly to BUY your clothes -as opposed to being so admired by couturiers that they WANT to give you clothes (or more pragmatically, that they believe dressing you for free would be a huge *publicity benefit* for their brand).
THAT is why it is important for designers to use their leverage to make clear to the public that they are not willful supporters of the Trumps.
That is the whole point though– it actually is important for a celeb to be “dressed” by a designer and to wear either custom clothes or clothes that have not been released yet. Its a big step down to have to buy anything off the rack. Heavens, someone else might be wearing your outfit.
This also has huge importance to designers– it is how they create their brand. There are a lot of reasons behind this boycott.
In addition to the status marker point, this means that he doesn’t have to personally participate in her fashion choices. Sure, she can go to the store and buy his products, but he doesn’t have to interact with her or her people to craft something specifically for her. If he wants to avoid that, that’s his right.
Why should Gay or socially progressive designers be forced to dress a woman supportive of anti-gay, anti-women, racists and xenophobic policies? A woman that tells other immigrants the lie that she immigrated here legally and they should too? She supports scum and I as a professional would not choose to work with her.
Unless people think designers should also have volunteered to dress spouses of other dictators in the world?
She is wealthy enough to buy what she wants but the dress the First Lady wears to the Inaugural Ball goes into the Smithsonian. It will make a real statement if she has to go buy something for that event and no designer dresses her for it. Although several have said they will dress her because she’s basically a billboard.
It’s not just the prestige of being dressed, like Audrey Hepburn and Givenchy. When a designer dresses you, you get something original that hasn’t hit stores yet and won’t for some time. This is what makes you a style setter–exclusive access. People who buy aren’t style icons because anyone with money can buy. But access is exclusive so it very much is a matter of prestige. That’s why designers are careful about who they dress–certainly Tom Ford can afford to be very exclusive and protective of his brand.
Melania is young and talks a great deal about her love of nice things. So it would matter to her and she would recognize the snub. This stupid stuff matters disproportionately among the wealthy. You know, crass consumerism is for the masses.
Maybe that’s the point? I mean, would YOU want to see what she sees?
lol.
Good one.
Yikes, no!
Why is she a mail order bride? And anyways, what’s so wrong iwth mail order brides. I know at least a couple of men that got married to Russian women and they are happy.
I personally find it pathetic!!! In my eyes, mail order brides are nothing less than prostitutes. Their selling their services for money.
OMG! These men who get mail order brides are pathetic losers who couldn’t get a women without going to another country and paying for her.
yes, as long as the men are happy, what’s the harm?
She’s a mail order bride because she’s Eastern European (ish). Was she exactly the same and married for money, but was from the US or Western Europe, no one would call her a mail order bride.
It’s amazing how people who despise Trump for xenophobia have no problem using xenophobic rethoric themselves.
“Mail order brides” shouldn’t be a slur. These women left horrible circumstances in hopes of a better life and usually end up abused.
Having said that, Melania is from Slovenia, a well off country and she went to university. She wouldn’t be this rich, but she would have been fine without Trump.
I have a friend who shipped off as a mail order bride when she was 18 years old. Her mom was desperate get get her kids out of poverty anyway she could. Fortunately for my friend, arranged marriage is common in her country and she was married to a man from her homeland who did not see her as purchased property. Eventually they divorced and she went to work for an anti-trafficking organization. She is adamant that bride purchasing should end.
@ Locke – wasn’t that university thing debunked?
Also, I think the “mail order bride” slur, while super tacky, probably reflects her less than above board immigration process.
She got into university, into an architectural programme, which in Slovenia is super hard to do. She didn’t finish, but she must have been smart to do that. I think she would have been fine without Trump.
I doubt it reflects that. If she wasn’t Eastern European, people wouldn’t call her that. Are you saying that, if she was say, German, and did the exact same thing people would call her a mail order bride? No they wouldn’t.
Are you people kidding me?
Thank you Locke ! Unless she was a mail order bride in any way this statement seems inappropriate. Trophy wife, sure. But let’s try not to sound racist
Have you guys, scratch that, ladies, seen docs on these poor women who are tricked to be these brides? It is heartbreaking. These men are just socially inept and these women are tricked to going to conventions to be ‘ a bride’ and get ‘a better life’. It is awful.
But the Donald is more high end than many of these men, I understand the anger and wanting to call her these names because well, she knew how to get some shady invitations to these ‘events’ where she met her husband.
@Locke Lamora
Not really, many Western European women get the same tripe if they are non-native speakers and with a very marked accent. Before Brexit, only Dutch or German women were considered non ‘mail order brides’. I’m Italian married to a local and had to hear that even said to my face.
So, no, not just Eastern Europeans.
I called her a mail-order bride because Trump probably picked her out of a catalog before the met. Also, while she’s technically not here legally, people bristle at the term “illegal immigrant”. “People aren’t illegal!” they protest. No, people aren’t but their immigration status can be. I have no respect for anyone whose first act in coming to this country is to break its laws. Melania Trump’s immigration paperwork ain’t clean; the details have been written up many times, you can look ’em up.
@SilverUnicorn,
I’m sorry, I’m with Locke Lamora on this one, I have never heard the mail-order bride joke about anyone other than an Eastern European woman. Did people who called you that actually know that you were Italian?
@Alix
She was already in the US when Trump met her from what I understand. So, she was definitely not a mail-order bride, or in any case, not his mail-order bride. But hey, white people are fair game for negative stereotypes, right?
@Locke Lamora
“She got into university, into an architectural programme, which in Slovenia is super hard to do. She didn’t finish, but she must have been smart to do that”.
Heh. This is from Snopes:
We also checked the Ljubljana University archives for any records of Melania Knauss, Melanija Knavs, and every other combination and alternate spellings of those names that we could find, and were unable to locate a record of her at that university, nor at any other university in the country.
http://www.snopes.com/melania-trump-architecture-degree/
Just imagine that! There is no evidence whatsoever that she ever attended that university, *any* university, or started an architectural degree.
I read an article in our media where her old professor at the university talked about her, but even if she didn’t, I don’t care. I don’t really care about Melania.
I just strongly dislike the insults that have been hurled at her because they don’t adress the real issues. Calling her a prostitute and a mail order bride mocks the fact that she’s an Eastern European glamour model, and not the things she has said or the things Trump has said.
@locke lamora (beautiful name BTW) I have a question for you. I understand you are European, and have read a couple of comments (not just yours) insinuating that Slovenia isn’t necessarily considered Eastern European proper. I am just curious about this…is there some kind of non-official boundaries that dictate a more specific way of determining which countries are undisputedly Eastern European, while others are “ish”, as you say? After a trip to Prauge, I find this part of the world utterly fascinating, and was hoping maybe you could enlighten me!
@moochiemom That is so true. I have known two “mail order brides” as well, and they were both highly educated (and just so happened to be gorgeous), but they said ultimately they went the “mail order” route simply due to a profound lack of opportunity in their native countries. These women are very far removed from prostitution, as they are academics, but really are left with so little opportunities in their native countries that they felt ultimately compelled to see if they could make a romantic match overseas. It’s impossible for Americans to understand their situations, and the difficult decisions they must make.
Not a mail order bride. I can see hating on him, but now I see his wife is guilty merely by association. I fail to see how she’s suddenly now become all these horrible things because her husband is going to be President. She’s done nothing to warrant this kind of verbal cruelty. I’ve seen her on The View and she was as nice as could be. My comment will make no difference of course, but at least I’ve pointed out the immaturity of some individuals.
@Fiorella- how is “mail order bride” racist?
Some racist and/or xenophobic misogynists use the term ‘mail order bride’ in the same way that racists use the term ‘illegals’. It sometimes gets used in a derogatory, dismissive way towards women from Asia (and sometimes eastern Europe), especially those who date or marry white men. That’s not the only context of the word, but that’s probably why it makes people uncomfortable.
Actually, while I don’t agree with attacking her simply because she’s his wife, she has also mirrored his views in interviews given – specifically saying that Obama should show his birth certificate and college transcripts in an interview long before this election – and also his views on illegal immigration and this is what holds her open to entirely valid criticism in my view – but I don’t agree with calling her a mail order bride though.
I personally know four women who were in fact “mail order brides.” Husbands picked them out, they talked on the phone, went over to Russia to meet them, the whole bit. Best part is that all four of these women are more educated (two doctors who took exams to practice in the us, a geologist who works at an oil company and a lawyer) and make more money than their husbands. All have been married over 10 years, have kids are everybody is happy. It isn’t always a model out of a catalog who is going to cook and clean kind of thing.
Leaving politics aside… it seems all so petty and childish to me.
What the First Lady does and who she wears is a pretty big deal, after all she resides in our White House, Oh nevermind…
ahaha 😀
LOL. THE BEST!
yes, I don’t think it will matter what she wears while holed up Trump towers, looking after Barron who is holed up in the next floor. Seriously he should have said he wasn’t going to dress Ivanka.
Side note: trump towers always feels evil to me, like lord of the rings evil.
Ha, “petty and childish” seems like politics as usual for our PEOTUS.
I don’ think it’s petty. Tom is a business man and can do what he wants.
Hi all! I love him…my dream designer.. I hope every cbis doing well! 🙂
Heh. Tom Ford has been warming my heart as of late.
He is reminding me of Uncle Karl a bit. We haven’t heard from him in ages.
The next four years are going to be the ultimate “reality show” . The bitchiness, backstabbing, lies will make the Real Housewives shows look like Sesame Street. Unfortunately this is more like a nightmare come to life
I read a quote by him once saying dressing well is a form of good manners. Since then, I’ve been more mindful of what I wear because he’s not wrong. I still wear sweatpants, whatever, when the occasion warrants it. But he definitely changed my mindset about clothing. I actually reduced my wardrobe but started getting clothes tailored and was able to find a more flattering style. Super shallow, I know.
Anyway I like him. I like reading his interviews. I don’t always agree but he’s always interesting and thoughtful in his responses.
It’s not super shallow. I agree with you. Look your best, you feel your best.
I buy on extreme sale (like 70%) off but buy good brands now, especially shoes, and they last forever.
The other side of the coin, the not dressing well, is that header picture of Jonny Depp.
Same! I always buy clothing on sale and get them tailored or tailor it myself. People always think I buy it from some specialty store because it fits well but it’s usually TJ Maxx or Ann Taylor Loft or Banana Republic Factory Store. I do spend a little extra on shoes, a handbag or two and a coat or two because those are meant to stick around for a while.
In my former profession, I stuck to Brooks Brothers, Ann Taylor, and good shoes. I still do.
Tim Gunn would agree. And I agree with them and with all of you.
I heard that, too but didn’t realize he said it. The sentiment was was something like “you don’t have to look at yourself in public, but everyone else does, so show some respect for others”. I had never thought of it in such a way!
Love the man … he can see right through Melania’s squinty cat eyes. Sounds like he can also see right through her pussy-grabbing husband’s bluster.
“he can see right through Melania’s squinty cat eyes.”
That is a feat in itself.
So much hatred. What would your reaction be if a designer had stated Michelle Obama did not represent his/her brand? Both Michelle Obama and Melania Trump deserve equal respect.
Not being snarky, but I’d be interested to know melania’s achievements that you feel deserve respect. Just by existing? Her continued alignment with one of the most disgusting men who ever lived means she’s going to catch some blowback. That’s understandable.
I respect a highly-educated lawyer and advocate for education & equality.
I do NOT respect a bargain bin “glamour model” who lies about her education, lies about working illegally in the states and who stands shoulder to shoulder with racism, xenophobia, Islamophobia and homophobia whilst minimising sexual assault and speaking worse English than immigrants with a tiny fraction of her opportunities.
Respect is earned.
No respect for someone who lied about her education, early immigration and leads a lazy life of luxury while standing by her pussy-grabbing conman husband who also is a bigot and a liar.
And what is her excuse for not expanding her English with all the money she has … why does “stuff” substitute for detail and empty adjectives like “amazing” litter her vocabulary like a virus.
Still waiting for that list of achievements from today’s trump troll.
Excuse you? Michelle represents class, brains, style, elegance, and general good breeding and manners. Moronia isn’t fit to shine Michelle’s Louboutins.
“Hatred”? Nah, that’s the Trumpenfuhrer and acolytes’ (that includes Melly) purview. In fact, I’d say they practically have a lock on it and on evil. That’s what got the Orange Abomination into office.
The role of First Lady seems useless anyway. It would be a shame if a woman as educated as Michelle ended up remembered just as “the wife of”.
She absolutely does not deserve the same respect that Michelle commands. Respect is earned.
Being respectful vs. having respect for someone are two VERY different things. You can be respectful without liking someones character. Tom Ford clearly understands this and I feel that his response was appropriate.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there were some designers who weren’t interested in working with Michelle. I can’t imagine Moschino being very interested in designing for any First Lady, for instance! My assessment of that would depend on the reason for it.
If the designer clearly didn’t want to design for a black woman, then I’d condemn it as racist. But if someone didn’t want to work with her because they objected to her and her husband’s politics, I’d probably find their politics disagreeable but respect it as a personal choice. If the designer simply didn’t care to design anything appropriate for a First Lady or anything a particular First Lady was likely to enjoy, then that’s an entirely respectable creative choice.
Nope
@Anon, I think you’re full of crap on this one. Becasue if the M.O. was disparaged as a “baby mama” and had the same qualifcations as Amber Rose, I doubts you’d advocating for her as you would M.T.
@Locke Lamora
Ah, I finally see the Drumpf dark enchantment.
“The role of First Lady seems useless anyway. It would be a shame if a woman as educated as Michelle ended up remembered just as “the wife of”.
I’m Canadian and I know a lot about what Michelle has worked at and accomplished (I mean, lookie there, Melania actually cribbed one of Michelle’s speeches!)
What Hillary Clinton has worked at and accomplished. It’s shameful that you know nothing about your First Ladies except Trumpist talking points which are boringly always, always, always about false equivalence and denigration.
How’s that hatred working for ya? I would be so depressed trying to normalise monsters.
I’m from Europe. I’m not even American. I find the whole glamorisation of politics and the elevation of the First Family strange.
In my country, we saw our First Husband ( Gentleman?) at the inauguration and maybe once or twice since then. I have no idea what my President’s kids look like. And I don’t see why I should. She is the President, she was elected, they were not.
And I definitely would have never supported Trump or Melania, considering I’m pretty far left on the political spectrum, but I just find the hipocrisy annoying.
Seeing as Michelle Obama was never an immigrant who worked illegally in your country and then lied about it, they do NOT deserve equal respect.
I’m not sure how Republicans can even respect the fact that she is wasting taxpayer money for her entourage in New York because she doesn’t want to move into the White House. Seems more like an Imelda Marcos type to steal from her adopted country.
Hehehe. Michelle in Moschino. Ah, that was the laugh I needed. Thank you!
@hmmm I believe locke lamora was speaking more to Michelle’s exceptional gifts and qualities as an individual. The woman is remarkable in her own right, and her accomplishments do not merely stem from having been FLOTUS for 8 years.
What designer wants to be associated with a former paid escort, oops I mean “model”.
Paid escorts are selling themselves. A million times better than someone that sells their countries interest and takes money from Saudi Arabia.
@anon
I’m sure you’re just here trying to rile up emotions.
But if you are truly interested in learning about the potential for the United States’ interest to be sold, I would point you to the article below.
You mention Saudi Arabia. DJT has not disclosed his lenders or released his taxes. How do you know that he is not indebted to interests there or elsewhere?
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/26/us/politics/donald-trump-international-business.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
@anon,
What a drab little world of hatred and logical fallacies some live in. I would be so depressed and angry having voted for evil.
I’m by no means a Trump supporter, but God, for people who are supposed to be open mided and progressive, you sure as hell are ignorant and condescending.
I’m sorry, but this argument is tired and old. Being open-minded and progressive has nothing to do with accepting racism, xenophobia, homophobia, misogyny and the all out lies and deceit being foisted upon us by Trump and his pending administration. Please try again.
I have not said you have to accept racism, xenophobia, homophobia, misogyny and the all out lies and deceit. But then you shouldn’t be so openly xenophobic and misogynistic when talking about his wife. I hold liberals, myself included, to a higher standard.
@PaulY I can’t speak for Locke Lamora but I think s/he was talking about the comments about paid escorts and mail order brides, and Eastern European stereotypes, that always proliferate in comment threads about MT.
It’s fine to drag Trump for everything he’s said and done, and Melania for supporting him, but the comment threads always reek of contempt for prostitutes, Eastern European women, etcetera. I understand that the insults are directed at her specifically, but when you use national stereotypes and stereotypes about sex workers as insults, it hurts more than just that specific person.
@Locke Lamora: Sorry, I wrote my comment before you posted yours!
I agree that the misogyny is very disturbing. That, and the stereotypes.
It’s like when someone dislikes a particularly unpleasant person who happens to be overweight, and suddenly the thinly veiled contempt for fat people comes out in spades. It’s not a good look on anyone, and in a self-professed progressive it just seems hypocritical.
Thank you for posting this. It’s entirely possible to condemn Trump for his many horrible acts and Melania for supporting him without insulting her in sexist or misogynistic ways.
Condemn her for what she’s done and what she believes, not for the broad categories she falls into.
@LockeLamora
“But then you shouldn’t be so openly xenophobic and misogynistic when talking about his wife. I hold liberals, myself included, to a higher standard.”
No one is being xenophobic even though you say so. No one is being misogynistic though you say so. This is the argument for false equivalence.
Melania willingly attaches herself to a person who foments hatred against others including women- this is what she’s done. She doesn’t seem to have a problem with his p*ssy grabbing sexual assaults- this is what she believes.
I don’t find self-righteousness particularly attractive in liberals but that’s just me (BTW I always vote for the New Democratic Party here in Canada, which is a neo-Socialist third party, and way back in the dark ages, legislated in universal health care which is a *total* godsend, thank you, Tommy Douglas).
Hey, I’m from a country that had universal helth care in the deep dark ages of communism ( and where a lot of people think they lived better during communism) :gasps:. Speaking of the Canadian health care system, there were talks about implementing something similar here, and people were really worried because our basic health care system covers more stuff.
The fact that she doesn’t have a problem with his rhetoric doesn’t mean I don’t too. You saying no one is being xenophobic and misogynistic also doesn’t make it so. I think that there are a lot of bad things you can say about Melania, but I don’t agree that her past as a model is one of them, even if she posed for Playboy. I think that is misogynistic. I also believe that she woudln’t be called a mail order bride were she Western European or Canadian. I percieve that as xenophobic.
@hmmm
it’s the second time today I see you tell people how to think and proclaiming your opinion as the truth. Locke Lamora says you’re being xenophobic, and so do I. So, I’m sorry, you saying it isn’t so does not make it a fact.
Locke Lamora isn’t some Trump apologist, she’s a regular commenter here. Using a marginalized group of people (in this case, sex workers) as a slur to put down women is the misogyny she’s calling out. I’m sure that if the original commenter used any other marginalized group of people that way, another commenter wouldn’t be called self-righteous for criticizing it because with us liberals, some prejudices are a little less normalized than others. It’s not about wanting to defend Milania, Trump, or their enablers, it’s about not being comfortable with how normalized some forms of misogyny and discrimination still are.
I don’t exactly have a problem with consenting escorts. Or her potentially being one at some point. It is like the last of the things I find fault with her. Most people do super weird things with heir sex parts. I’m for that.
I’m more concerned with her aiding one of the lizard people in taking over the white house and camp david (its located in prime alien spotting country) And also the Liberati. Its like the illuminati but they worship Liberace as the top eye in their pyramid gang thing. Thats totally why I won’t dress her for events either.
Another factor I think people fail to realize is that human trafficking, ESPECIALLY in Eastern Europe, is a huge business. When last I was in Austria, they ran non-stop PSA’s reminding the public of the dire consequences of trafficking. I was a little shocked, and deeply saddened.
On Stephen Fry’s “The New Europe” television series, they devoted an episode to this ongoing problem in Eastern Europe. UNICEF has many programs that target vulnerable populations (Eastern Europe is such a hotbed because the young women/girls are exceptionally beautiful and often w/o opportunities).
Apparently it is a common ruse for people who once lived in these small communities (so they are somewhat trusted) to come back after an absence and speak to the young population about the amazing wealth and opportunities that await them in the UK, or some other wealthy county.
We cannot imagine what it is like to be in such a situation. But, the majority of these girls/women do not go into prostitution willingly. They were coerced, if not kidnapped. They then go on to a life of living hell, with little hope. These are the same females that are shamed and dismissed on the regular by other woman. It is sickening to me.
Looking at their facelift eyes, it looks as though Melania and Tom share the same surgeon.
Tom is prettier.
Ha!
He does have mean little eyes, doesn’t he? Are they from a facelift?
He recently decided not to have any more work done. But he’s plastic.
He totally does! Those are not kind eyes, he looks like he’s always scheming.
She buys everything she wears, and she probably started doing this because designers refused her so much.
Or maybe because she can AFFORD to buy what she needs, instead of other first ladies, going begging to designers.
@anon
Are you an American ? you do know that is against the Law for the First Family to take freebies from designers right ?
Designers may design tailor a dress for them but they have to pay for it out of their own pocket/ salaries not the national coffers
Mrs. Obama doesn’t have to beg any designer to dress her. They compete for the honor. She practically made Jason Wu’s career when she wore his gown to the first inaugural.
Poor Melania, always needing defending and elevating after willingly attaching herself to vulgarity and evil.
Melania herself said there is no need to pity her. She knew what she wanted, a mediocre model marrying a very rich guy was her goal and she is perfectly happy with the results and with him. She is one of his willing enablers and I couldn’t squeeze an ounce of sympathy for this pampered woman if I tried.
Good!
That is some Phaedra level shade!
I know!
As if Melania will be doing FLOTUS events enough for her to need Tom Ford styling her. I’m sure she doesn’t need specially made clothes just to stay locked away in Trump Tower with Baron.
I will admit, it makes me uncomfortable to see Melania repeatedly being diminished as a “mail order bride” or “glorified escort”. There’s so many perfectly valid reasons to shame the Trumps, you don’t have to take the sexual angle. Plus it makes you look like a hypocrite. Or are we still preaching that nonsense about how women can’t be sexist?
I approve of what he’s saying here but I don’t like this guy at all? He’s like the textbook definition of a pretentious snob. That applies to most designers, anyway.
Obviously women, especially white women CAN be sexist. That is a major reason that Comey came on the scene last minute and why so many white women preferred the pussy-grabbing con artist Trump to the more experienced woman. That is why his misdeeds were diminished and his shtick was all about being a strong “broad shouldered man” while her misdeeds were exaggerated. That is why America now has a mob boss as the president-elect.
And by the way, I still don’t know why Trump isn’t in jail for working with Russia to help him win the election.
@Robyn I agree that women can be sexist. Not sure what race has to do with it though. But I absolutely agree with rest of your comment. Spot on!
“Obviously women, especially white women CAN be sexist.”
Offensive or random?
Seriously, what’s up with “especially white women”?
Well that went over everyone’s head.
Well said, @robyn. An overwhelming number of white women voted for institutionalised Misogyny, showing their true sexist colours.
Agree with Robyn and Hmmm.
White women have to shoulder a good portion of the blame for Trump’s presidency. It sucks for those of us who didn’t vote for him but it is what it is–stats don’t lie.
@kitten. As nice as accountability would be, I don’t have any faith that it would happen. Privelidge has a lot to do with it. Look at all commenters crying racism, despite the fact that 53% of white women voted Trump, and 83% of black women voted for Clinton. So White Liberals can’t blame Black Americans for this one seeing as that they’re 12% of the population.
The white women who voted for trump voted for him because they felt he would protect and provide for them more than the other candidates. I’m sure they were ‘uncomfortable’ with trumps sexism but they believed that white patriarchal society (which is what trump represents) will protect and provide for the white woman. If the white man becomes more protected and provided for within the trump administration it stands to reason that the white mans wife, daughter and mother will also get to come along for the ride. White women voting for trump has nothing to do with white women being more sexist than black women(I don’t believe this is true). They voted for who was going to look after their needs – by looking after the white man the white woman will also benefit because they are so closely associated.
I struggle with that too. There is a part of me that immediately will go to that line of thinking with her – but it’s from years of hearing the ridiculous backlash that Michelle has gotten for doing things that aren’t even comparable. I’ve seen so many comments on fb about how there’s going to FINALLY be a classy woman living in the white house, all the derogatory words hurled at Michelle, the racial slurs, the comments about how she dared wear a sleeveless dress… after seeing that for years, and then seeing these same people hold up a woman who has posed for essentially soft core pr0n – and who’s face is tweaked so much that she doesn’t even look like the same person she once was … a little bit of a petty streak comes out.
But I tend to keep those thoughts to myself because a) not worth it- the people who are doing these things aren’t going to have their mind changed with logic and b) I hate to tear down a woman for doing what she wants with her body.
But good lord, it really makes my blood boil to see the hypocrisy from the right wing human garbage that had no issues calling Michelle every name in the book.
How have we come to this, America? Michelle, a target of racists and bullies, who worked hard to make a difference in this world and who is classy to the core, being compared unfavorably to a woman who married a rich bully conman for a life of luxury and ease.
I have actually had tears in my eyes reading some of the horrible comments about Michelle…tears of anger! Michelle, as First Lady, has been nothing short of perfection, and now this woman? It is hard to not to make comparisons and have Melania come up way short.
At the end of the day, the line of thought those people have is that being white is classy and being black isn’t. And I don’t think there’s any need to prove that beyond the fact Michelle is consistently described as a “monkey in heels” by those people.
The thing about those uneducated Trump supporters is that I don’t really care about them, because I know they will turn their backs on him. Right now Trump is their racist hero who will make America white again. A few years from now the inevitable crisis will kick in, the whole country will go down, and people will start demanding explanations and actions.
Everything about this election is unprecedented, but one thing I have uniformly seen in every democracy is that when a clearly incompetent president is chosen, they run the government incompetently, and the country goes down along with his approval rates.
ITA with your comments…you nailed it perfectly. I simply can’t give Melanie a pass after all the racist vitriol that Michele has endured for the past 8 years. The stench from the hypocrisy of people who bashed Michelle is overwhelming.
I agree, Josepina … however, it is not just the uneducated that have a hand in this. Racism is pervasive and often disguised as something noble and grand, like patriotism.
Well-said!
Whilst I do not believe in personal attacks the sheer and utter hypocrisy of these people is mind boggling the GOP claims to be the party of Family values, and Trump was endorsed by so called religious leaders i,e . Jerry Fallwell when IMOs they are no better than the falsely religious Pharisees and the Scribes in the Bible
The same people who shamed Michelle Obama for wearing a sleeveless dress are perfectly OK with having a FLOTUS in varying states of undress all over the internet . not to mention for their antigay rhetoric some of these pics are h0m0erotic poses with other women ??
The same people who denigrated the Ivy League Grad Mrs Obama are cool with the questionable model/escort background of Mrs.Trump???
The same people who rail against illegal immigration are turning a bind eye to Mrs Trumps own spotty immigration path until she eventually legalized her status. ???
Nope Just Nope
@Erinn: I kind of get where you’re coming from about not wanting to give Milania a pass.( That situation from a few weeks ago where that southern politician made that comment about Michelle Obama to some other lady made my blood boil. Then she tried to play it off like it wasn’t about race (sure) and tried to deflect with how she was the real victim because people responded to her racism with belligerence and death threats. Death threats and threatening peoples’ children are never ok, but this lady didn’t want to accept any accountability.)
Michelle as FLOTUS was grace and dignity personified. She took what abuse was thrown at her and kept her head held high. She earned respect because she gave respect, showed respect and did work worthy of respect. To go from Michelle, who is a articulate and passionate speaker (I still get chills thinking about her talk about Trump’s misogeny and how we can all somehow relate to the guy at work standing too close, or staring too long) to Melania planning to focus on bullying. She is married to the biggest bully of all!
CorruptLobbyist who said: I agree that women can be sexist. Not sure what race has to do with it.
I’m not sure either … but I know compared to other races, lots of white woman preferred pussy-grabbing Trump to the woman with a proper resume. They often would say they didn’t trust Hillary but any other woman would be fine, no problem. I don’t believe that … I think any woman running would have been met with the same distain eventually. As a white woman, I often find other white women prefer working for men and see women bosses as mean bitches. I think white women think they can manipulate white men so it’s a weird sort of reverse sense of power. I think it’s all about fairy tales we white kids have been fed and the white knight that is still coming around the corner to save us. We’ve come a long way, baby, but not really.
Well, but you have absolutely no proof that those women wouldn’t feel better about a different female candidate. I know plenty of women who did vote for Clinton, yet still said they would’ve preferred to see Warren there, for example. And I almost voted for Sanders in the primaries – does that make me sexist? I mean, ultimately, Hillary’s election, while highly symbolic and exciting, wouldn’t have made a big change in the lives of most women. I don’t think Hillary would’ve even been able to pull off the maternity leave legislation. So, if some poor woman felt that she would benefit more from free education that Sanders championed than from the symbolism of a woman sitting in the Oval office, I don’t think that anyone in their right mind would call her sexist.
While I commend you for speaking for white women, since you’re one, I’m not sure “especially white women” was the way to put it. “At least”, perhaps?
I hear this from original Saunders supporters and it’s easy to speculate. But if he actually ran against Trump I think the rude awakening would be that Trump would have been far far ahead of him because socialism is a dirty word for most American’s still.
@Timbuktu
Hmmm….the Choice: P*ssy-grabber v Feminist
These white women voted for insititutionalised misogyny and hatred and seemed to have no problem with voting in a p*ssy grabbing Orange Abomination. No matter what arguments to explain that they might have voted for another woman, etc., etc., the fact remains they voted to enshrine misogyny and hatred. That is the bottom line. Everything else is just noise.
The sexist part isn’t the fact that white women didn’t vote for a female candidate, the sexist part is that so many white women believed the fake news about HRC, fed into the false equivalencies, and blamed Hillary for her husband’s indiscretions.
They’re not sexist for not voting for a woman, they’re sexist for subscribing to and perpetuating a sexist narrative.
Because HRC was unfairly maligned in the press for 20 years and many white women were all to happy to believe the lies.
No, you will never convince me that a male candidate with HRC’s level of political experience would endure the same level of scrutiny that she did.
And I get that people are sensitive about sweeping racial stereotypes but the facts are clear here: white women by and large chose Trump over HRC.
Well, I feel like this is mathematically biased, though, and that looking just at gender does not represent the full picture.
I will be rounding up, but roughly speaking, white people are 50/50 – Republican and Democrat. Actually, we, as a group, are skewing slightly towards Republican. I heard the number of 53% – is that correct? So, if 53% of white women voted for Trump, then they just voted for their political affiliation. Yes, I’m disappointed that they weren’t able to break the formation and withdraw their vote from THAT, but the odds are very high that those women would have still voted Republican even if Clinton were a man (or, for that matter, if Donald were Melania).
Black people in this country vote something like 80% Democrat and 20% Republican. So, if an overwhelming majority of Black women voted for Clinton, it once again merely demonstrates that they, too, voted along the party lines, not that they are necessarily less sexist.
Mind you – I’m not saying it’s not the case, I’m just saying that those numbers alone do not tell the whole story and should not be a basis for judgement. If I recall correctly, highly educated white women voted quite in favor of Clinton. I guess I prefer to think that stupid people vote for Trump. Honestly, in my immediate circle, it checks out.
I see where you’re going, Timbuktu.
But even if we give white women the benefit of the doubt and say that we simply voted our party affiliation, it’s still an incredibly sad statement about us that we would largely vote for a misogynist and an accused rapist.
I also think a lot of women just didn’t vote in this election, which is also very depressing.
@Timbuktu
That’s just muddying the waters with reductive reasoning. The stats show that a ton of white women, *educated*, privileged white women voted for the Orange Abomination. Hence, they voted to institutionalise hatred and misogyny.
@Oh, it’s beyond sad, it’s downright suicidal.
@hmmm
How is my reasoning reductive? I happen to think it’s just more complex, and I think that complex is good and failing to consider complexities in favor of simple slogans in perhaps the most important problem of American politics.
We are a big country, even 1% is “a ton”, “a ton” is not a number, so I can’t really respond to that statement of yours. Of course, a certain number of them voted for Trump. But you know what? I can actually understand why educated affluent folk voted for Trump. Do I think it’s incredibly selfish and even immoral to support a sexual predator just because he might lower your taxes? Yes, but I can understand it a lot better than poor people voting for Trump.
“white women” are to blame for everything now? We need to start supporting each other here, folks. I get that statistics are informative fact – but 6 of my best gal friends at school, 5 who are NOT white (but not Latina) and not financially well-off, 1 is white and quite wealthy – all in the 18 to 28 age range, all registered voters, who voted, did not vote for HRC. We were at school the night of the election. We have discussions about politics often – the gals say Hillary is a liar, she is corrupt, she is a criminal, “she should be in jail” is a big refrain; up until the moment the tide did not turn in America’s favor on election night, the gals all parroted the “rigged” allegations and were adamant it was rigged against Trump/Republicans – when I asked them for specifics (I used their lingo and said, “show me the receipts”) not one of them could do so – they kept saying, “she had those men killed” but could not tell me who/when/where while repeating that they had received most of their “facts” via facebook feeds and youtube. I asked them if they believed everything they read, they said no. I asked them if they believed everything they saw on tv – nope. Do you believe everything anyone tells you? No way, they replied. So, I asked, why do you believe everything you read/see on the internet? They are now talking about fake news stories –
I want to help our society and all women. I have always been this way and it will never change. I do not come from money and I don’t have much now, but I am still white. I was actually born this way! I do not refer to nor reduce other humans to only their skin colors, I think it is disgusting and wrong.
I think it is important that we stop using color monikers to describe humans – especially if we purport to support all women, to allay the responsibility for the state of our union on all ‘white women’ as a group is not an effective way of building the bridges we so desperately need. I read on this site just the other day that calling a person by their skin color (I think it referred to someone referring to people as ‘blacks’) reduces them to just a color and that is not ok. I understand that I may need to be re-educated about a lot of stuff but seriously I am asking, why is it ok to do this to ‘whites’? Why must we make it about ‘them’ vs ‘us’? In my heart, we are all in the same gang. I wish we could find a way to unite, work together and save our country, folks! Don’t you all wish for and want to work toward the same thing? Well, as a ‘white’, but more importantly, and where it really bites, is as a woman. I stand for women’s rights atop every mountain I encounter and do it because I am a woman and an advocate for all women. It kinda also makes me feel cruddy to think a large portion of cb-ers reduce my vote/life/experiences/support/efforts to the color of my skin and attribute negativity toward the race group that they decide I belong to – and I have mentioned these kinds of views before here on CB and folks have certainly set me straight. Comments ranged, some mentioned that my white privilege makes me think this way-So if y’all want to educate me where I am wrong in my thinking here, please do so, because I am actually not trying to be an ‘uninformed dumb white woman’ –
And straight up, instead of blaming this fiasco of crap on other women, I am more inclined to believe malfeasance occurred to get the cheeto into the office – I believe the ‘rigged’ complaints now!! I am not convinced Russia did not have a part in hijacking our election and that Mr Trump stole the office and we are totally screwed here, so I am not as worried about which of our voting groups have as much fault in the matter as that our President-elect is truly the most corrupt we have ever had in office and I am terrified – for all of us.
@Nicegirl-There’s no way to discuss post-election poll figures or demographics in general without talking about race—there just isn’t. We’re using the same descriptive terms that pollsters use so I don’t understand why the term “white” would be seen as so offensive in the context of this conversation.
Additionally, white women still represent the majority of women in this country and I don’t think it’s “burning bridges” to accept our part in the election results. On the contrary, I think that as a majority, it’s an imperative step towards understanding ourselves as well as an obligatory admission that white women may not be as progressive as we think we are.
Where you see combat and in-fighting, I see a chance for self-reflection and a deeper understanding. Maybe this is a backlash against feminism or a product of feminism. Maybe as women we no longer feel bound to the same “sisterhood” that was a tenant of early feminism. Maybe women are simply becoming more self-interested the way men are, or maybe we’ve always been this way.
I don’t have every answer to these very important questions, but I do see them as relevant in terms of preventing this from happening again. It’s not burning a bridge, it’s BUILDING a bridge, a bridge of understanding to women whom we might not live next to, women whom we may never meet. never know or maybe never truly understand, but women whom we nonetheless share something with: we are all bound to the same demographic.
Ultimately, the “ra-ra-ra” of white women supporting each other means very little, when contrasted against the reality of white women by and large voting for a misogynistic white man. Denying it or downplaying it stifles the opportunity for us to understand more about why this happened and what we should do going forward. I know that after this election, never again will I make the mistake of assuming women won’t vote for a terribly misogynistic, sexist man for POTUS. This is a new reality and we have a responsibility to be as open and honest about our culpability in the outcome of this election.
@Timbuktu
“How is my reasoning reductive? I happen to think it’s just more complex, and I think that complex is good and failing to consider complexities in favor of simple slogans in perhaps the most important problem of American politics. ”
It totally is reductive. This is not complexity. This is simplifying, reducing explanations to party lines. It ignores as irrelevant the very real reason for voting for or against the Orange Abomination- hatred.
As for understanding the 1% or the poor- I doubt it, because the argument removes the crux of the matter, hatred. The rest, as I asserted, is just noise and an attempt to distract from that hatred.
Hatred is not a slogan.
@hmmm
saying “it totally is reductive” does not make it reductive, it makes you repeat yourself. Saying “this is not complexity” also does not mean it’s not, it just means you don’t see it.
I didn’t reduce explanations to party lines! I proposed juxtaposing party affiliation with gender and race because I think it gives us more nuanced answers than gender alone, race alone, or party affiliation alone. Please, explain how it’s not complex. “it just isn’t” is not an explanation, btw.
Is it possible that perhaps your opinions aren’t the absolute truth 100% of the time?
@nicegirl
I understand your arguments but the fact is the women that you know did not do their due diligence. They willingly drank the Kool Aid uncritically when it came to Trump which reveals their biases. Who could look at this abomination and not be repulsed by the hatred spewing from him? They voted for him because they found Trump more in tune with themselves than Clinton.
All things being equal, they voted against a supposedly corrupt woman in favour of hatred, justified it as the lesser of two evils, yet ignored the monumental corruption emanating from Trump. They led with their bigotry and baseless hatred.. They are complicit and I don’t give them a pass. This is what they wanted.
It is sexist, and it is xenophobic. As I said above, she wouldn’t be getting these kinds of commments were she not Eastern European.
I’ve been getting them as an Italian in UK (I married a Scot) and ‘mail order bride’ was used to define many immigrant women who had married Britishhmen, regardless of where they were from (with only the exception of white American, Canadian, Australian, New Zealander, you get the drift)
Yeah, I get that Eastern European women are not the only ones, but she gets called one beacuse she’s Eastern European.
I have to say, I didn’t know Italians get the term thrown at them, I thought you guys fit into the fancy European category. It’s usually Eastern Europeans and Asians.
@Locke
Some Italian women are surely not the same ‘shade’ of white of British women. When I fill the forms in I have to declare ‘British other’, I cannot surely pass off as British (sic! I always found this race thing disturbing!). The ‘fancy’ European category has always been about nordic Europeans (Spain, Italy, Greece, Portugal, are countries that have always been treated like sort of third world here. Think that the acronym is ‘PIGS’ in UK).
I think she gets called one because she’s a model AND Eastern European. If she was uglier, I doubt she would have been called that term at all. Not that I’m beautiful lol but I married ‘above my station’, hence the term thrown at me and others, as we seem ‘undeserving’ to others based on nationality.
White Canadian women who married British soldiers are referred to as mail order brides as well. So are english white women who marry Canadain soldiers.
I don’t know whether she is a mail order bride or not. I do know that she has a limited English vocabulary, is way younger than him, she is from another country and worked in the States illegally, serves his every need and has no voice. Sure sounds like a mail order bride even if she wasn’t picked out of a catalogue.
Since ‘mail order’ is argued as sexist, let’s call her what she really is, that neutral term, gold digger (because men can be gold diggers too).
I think Moronia works well enough. Or Mrs. Orange Abomination. She has proven to be pretty stupid, and she did marry that thing. There’s SO much to judge about Melania, I think focusing on her paperwork and her work as a glamour model seems pretty trite.
It makes me sad that across so many forums, I repeatedly see women calling out Melania’s work as a glamour model on a negative light. They don’t use the word slut, but they get the point across. The funny part is I’m SURE if a male celeb gave an interview one day degrading Melania in any way for her work, we’d all be dragging him to filth.
Tom’s the best . That’s all. I just adore him not only as a designer , but as a human being .
Why? I just had a curious conversation with someone who claims to have worked for Ford back before he made it big, in fact, during his ascent, and that employee says that he boycotts all Tom Ford merchandise because of all the ugly things he witnessed. He sounded like someone who was fairly experienced in the fashion industry, and he said that it was usual level of ugliness even for them.
Not to say that we must take this anonymous man’s word as gospel, but he is a huge perfume enthusiast, so the fact that he refuses to purchase anything from the Tom Ford line, which has an excellent reputation, is kind of telling (and that’s the only reason Tom Ford came up, so I sort of trust that source: he wasn’t bitterly running around gossip sites, he just mentioned it when someone asked him why no Tom Ford).
I don’t think he has to worry about it. There are many designers out there who would love to dress Malania. He does not have to be rude. As if he was perfect.
I really don’t think it’s rude. He didn’t say anything specific- just that she doesn’t match his image.
Maybe there are designers who want to dress Melania. Difference between them and Ford (and others) is he can look in the mirror and know he’s on the right side of history.
Not rude, honest and tactful.
I doubt there are many established designers out there who want to be associated with what that woman represents.
His response was classy and tactful. He possesses manners unlike the short-fingered vulgarian and his ilk.
I think when Tom says “doesn’t fit my image”it’s code for “will stain all the clothes I lend her with her neon tangerine spray tan”
Seriously, looking at the pics, Donald and Melania are so unnaturally Orange, I bet they glow in the dark.
Love it. Love him. That’s all.
But when Michelle Obama wears expensive designer clothes, that’s totally fine.
What a dense comment. Spend a little less time making false equivalencies, and a little more reading all the eloquent responses breaking down into detail why the designer boycott of Melania is happening.
Drumpf acolytes riff off a basic meme: “Not the puppet, *You’re* the puppet, *you’re* the puppet.” LOL That’s elementary school level.
Don’t waste time on the obvious trolls. They didn’t come here to learn, so there’s no point in trying to teach them anything.
I am sure she can def afford his clothes but his aesthetic is different and he only allows one of his dresses to be worn at the Oscars or wherever and if you want to wear it march to the store and pay the $20-30k that it costs. I couldn’t see her in Calvin Klein either v clean lines although I could see her in Victoria Beckham’s dresses. He’s a charming guy IRL as the kids say. There was one actress who bought a dress at his store and he wrote her a note when he found out but still only ONE person he dresses. I bet this year will be Amy Adams like it was with Julianne Moore.
It was Hayden Patteniere. She bought a dress off the rack and claimed Tom dressed her on the red carpet but was called out for it by some news outlet because he does only dress one person per awards show and it wasn’t her that day. So she got embarassed and he sent her a note thanking her for wearing his dress.
Tom knows (but i don’t think people outside of NYC really knew fully) that the Trumps have always been complete garbage people to work with, work for, or live near. That includes their businesses, interests, family/offspring, or homes. Does anyone even understand how much a developer of that scale in NYC (and others) has to deal with the mob, unions, crooked politicos and such? I mean come on. You can google this mess and find information on verifiable news outlets. Tom is not a stupid man. He is not scared of the Trumps because they will always be dumb crooks to him and that tier of our class system.
I seriously doubt that Melania will care if designers don’t want to dress her. She can afford the best clothes and make them (and the designer) look great. In fact, she could wear a cheap dress and make it look like a million dollars.
Sorry, I have to disagree. She can put on haute couture and make it look like it came from Wal-Mart.
She looks tacky as all getout in that boob smusher she’s wearing. But then, she looks tacky in every Dynasty inspired outfit she wears.
I hope she dresses with a bit more class than the white dress shes wearing. She looks awful in that photo.
You have to have class to know how to dress with class. In her case it’s a no-win.
No wonder any designer with style and class would shun Melania. Her constant grotesque orange accessory would taint everything she wears.
As for those who see this designer stance as churlish and mean-minded, not enough eyerolls in the world for your abject failure to see where the real churlishness and mean-mindedness lies.
I’m still living in hope that the grotesque Trump will have over-egged his grotesque pudding to the point where even his most dedicated supporters will be out on the streets, come mid- January, in protest against the handover.
I like your style! And Tom Ford’s.
I love Tom ford. And I think posters are reading way more into this. He says he decided this years ago — so it’s not a recent decision. He said he wouldn’t dress a PE Clinton EITHER. And he claims he only dressed MO one time and it was an exception decision So is this part of the thus far 1 designer boycott or a didferen animal all together ?
So yeah — his issues with dressing WH women in general seems established. And MT too. Doesn’t seem related to the presidential election results at all.
Still think he’s the bomb tho. 😎
Just to clarify and summarize what he thinks:
Melania Trump shouldn’t wear his very expensive clothing, because her wardrobe choices should make us poor peasants feel like she’s one of us. *giggle*
But maybe I’m wrong. Maybe there are TONS of regular ol’ folks out there who wear his stuff all the time. Just for my own edification, how many people commenting on this article can afford Tom’s clothes in the first place? I’m not talking about finding the occasional item for a decent sale price. I’m talking about the in-season current stuff. You know, the super casual hot-right-now $2,000 summer dress that you MUST have if you’re going boating in the Mediterranean.
His comment rubbed me the wrong way. I respect if he doesn’t want to dress her, that’s his choice, but most, if not all, first ladies wear expensive clothing, period. One, they do represent our country, whether we like them or not. Two, ummmmm, hellllo, they’re rich.
Michelle wasn’t exactly dressing in Target-chic before she became first lady (no offense to Target or anyone who likes it), you know what I mean? Neither was Hillary or Laura or or or … everyone else! And presidential kids weren’t/aren’t slumming it in the fashion department either!
Wealthy people wear outfits that exceed or are close to one paycheck of mine, that’s just reality. At the lowest, their outfit will equal just half of my paycheck, (but then the purse or accessories makes up the rest, lol). Even in a “jeans and this ol’ top and these ol’ shoes, I’m just slumming today” outfit, that’s easily $500 bucks. I mean, I’m not gonna lie, some of the expensive brands are really well-made and stylish. Do I covet? I DO. Ain’t gonna lie. Someday, when I am making big-bucks and can afford to splurge, I’ll be wearing the fudge out of that stuff. And you know you love those purses, even if they are insanely expensive. *sigh* So yeah, I’m not begrudging ANY of our past, current, or future First Family members the right to wear expensive designer clothing, or to be dressed by designers on overseas trips, or public and special events. Nope.
***An edit to the above, I meant to type, “Melania Trump, an insanely wealthy woman, shouldn’t…” I think faster than I type and I couldn’t edit my post!
Most First Ladies wear a lot of mid-range designers. Expensive chain store stuff, middle of the road American designers, up and coming designers etc. Rarely top tier designers or true couture. Tom Ford is extremely expensive, like $900 for a tank top and $12,000 for an off the rack dress expensive. A pretty basic custom dress would easily be $50,000.
There’s a difference between wearing something that would cost a middle class person a months income, and wearing something that would cost a middle class person the equivalent of their kids college tuition.
While I agree he should be able to dress anyone he wants, those who are claiming he should be allowed to refuse his services to anyone based on political beliefs or otherwise, I’m sure extend the same right to bakeries, wedding gown designers, etc.
More false equivalencies. Man, I wish Drumpf’s acolytes were taught logic. There’s a difference between anything else and unalloyed hatred.
I Am weary of the often badly applied, and overused phrase “false equivalency”.
The term is reflecting an opinion…..not a fact. And one can presume those drawing comparisons do indeed find them relevant and on point. And if they rub you wrong, just whip out the “false equivalence ” phrase to deflect, Right ?
It’s all opinion, not undeniable fact.
Hey Bonbons,
As long as people keep doing it, it should be called out for what it is- false equivalency. It’s far more wearing to deal with bad logic. Of course, why should logic stand in the way of an opinion? If you’re going to argue a point, give an opinion, then back it up and do it logically and not dumb down civil discourse. All opinions are not equally valuable and many present false facts and can be harmful.
It’s a BS a phrase, and its opinion anyway, Not fact, opinion, Like derrières….we all have one, and ours is attractive to only a few. It’s way too easy a phrase to use, and it is used around here about as often as Kleenex and usually with undeserved smug,
He didn’t say she couldn’t buy his offerings. He is saying he will not work for her personally, the work being personally designing and styling her for a political or social event. He also said he wouldn’t style Clinton. So you know, pffffffft and all that. It’s like demanding terry richardson to take a questionable photo of you on American Apparel underwear instead of buying a stupid picture he was already selling. He doesn’t have to style anyone. These aren’t cakes and dental services man come the eff on
He said nothing about refusing to dress Melanie on the basis of political beliefs. NOTHING.
He also said he wouldn’t have dressed a President elect Hillary Clinton and he only dressed Michelle Obama one time as an exception.
Most of the posters on this page really missed his point because it didn’t fit THEIR desired political narrative,
I agree that years ago he had other reasons for not dressing Melania. But the topic grew into the political, on more than one side. And that’s what’s being argued here.
are you talking to me? I said he wouldn’t dress either clinton or melanoma for social or political events. Events aren’t reasons. They are just a place where you make uncomfortable small talk while wearing control top panty hose.
Remember though this is the same guy that was screaming get Victoria Beckham out of his clothes when he saw her as a laughing stock and then gushing over her when she won the Brit fashion award in 2011. So i dont take much stock in this guy . If the tide turns for Mrs Trump he will be lining up like all the rest .
I rarely say this about celebrities, especially those who come off really elitist and artsy, but I would love to be friends with Tom Ford. I know he comes off as very elegant and elitist, but he seems to also know how to connect with people on shows like The View. He knows how to have fun and be catty. I need a gay male friend like Tom Ford!
I think Melania is seen as a mail-order-bride or as a rich man’s arm candy. And true, Tom Ford doesn’t dress people with such a reputation but rather puts them down publicly. It is a brand strategy to not be worn by the “wrong” people. I mean would Melania dare to be seen in Tom Ford after this?
Tom Ford did also have a problem when Victoria Beckham started buying in his stores.
I’m in ❤️ Tom is spot on with all he said. . He sounds logical and down to earth.
So rare in people in that echelon. And you were right too Kaiser
She is the trump wife and the designer clothes are needed. She looks pretty if we leave aside the luxury lifestyle. The guy Tom Ford was always good in his designing job with the Victoria Beckham. The clothes are the designing which meets the need of the celebrities. And no doubt that Melania Trump is a wealth woman.