Donald Trump: The ‘alt-left’ came charging at the ‘very fine’ neo-Nazis, okay?

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What’s funny/terrible is that when I make a conscious choice to unplug for a few hours, all hell breaks loose. It’s inevitable. I turned everything on and I was like “why is George Washington trending on Twitter?” It was because Donald Trump compared Robert E. Lee to Washington. It was because Donald Trump, the emperor-general of the Federated Russian State of Trumplandia, decided to give an unhinged press conference where he: 1) said the “alt-left” was equally to blame for the Charlottesville terror attacks, 2) defended white supremacists and neo-Nazis as “very fine people,” 3) claimed the alt-left “came charging” at the innocent and fine neo-Nazis, and 4) said the words “you had a group on one side that was bad, and you had a group on the other side that was also very violent,” a sentence I’m still trying to translate. Here’s the video:

You can read the full text of Trump’s press conference here. I was going to do some excerpts from it but I couldn’t even get halfway through JUST THE TEXT because the man is so clearly mentally ill and unfit for office. Apparently, Trump wasn’t even supposed to take questions – he was just supposed to announce some infrastructure thing and walk away without taking questions. He literally did a press conference on the fly, and these were his actual thoughts, his “hot takes” on racism, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, the Confederacy and all of it. This is what he actually thinks. Assorted tweets:

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  1. kNY says:

    He’s so beyond crazy at this point. I have no words.

    • Shambles says:

      He’s a Nazi Sympathizer. The President of the United States is a Nazi Sympathizer. There is no grey area here.

      • Megan says:

        This! Trump is morally bankrupt and too unhinged to hide it.

      • Esmom says:

        And yet. The vast majority of commenters on my city paper’s website insist that’s not true, that Trump has always been a champion of equality.

        I heard an interesting story yesterday about how much easier it is for the neo Nazis to get together and join forces thanks to the internet. I guess when we are nuked back to the stone age they’ll have to rely on old fashioned methods of finding each other.

      • lightpurple says:

        I think “sympathizer” is too kind. The man is a Nazi.

      • Tate says:

        He was loud and proud yesterday. Absolutely no grey area.

      • magnoliarose says:

        He is a Nazi. Sympathy my ass, he is in a position of power, and he just gave them the nod to go ahead and hurt people. Every injury and death is blood on his micro hands.

      • BlueSky says:

        Make no mistake, The GOP owns this POS. Silence speaks volumes. And for all those that still support this a-hole, you are complicit in racism and on the same side as the white supremacist or whatever name they are trying to use to rebrand themselves to make them seem more mainstream.

      • Emma33 says:

        He has this weird love of authoritarian leaders and of strong-men, and somewhere in his twisted mind he probably sees the alt-right in this light as well, as somehow being ‘strong’.

        This may be a very unpopular viewpoint, but I don’t see him as being motivated primarily by racism, I think he has a psychological motivation to associate himself with whichever group he feels most accurately reflect how he would like to imagine himself…and in this case it’s the gun-toting neo-Nazis. Of course, Bannon etc are influencing him, but I think there are other factors involved as well.

        I see Trump as a narcissist who is essentially devoid of values and ethics, he literally believes in nothing. Of course, that doesn’t mean he doesn’t exhibit racist (and sexist) attitudes and behaviours, he absolutely does, but I don’t think that at the core of himself he holds any true beliefs in anything.

        (Not sure if I have expressed myself very well there!)

      • Scal says:

        THIS. He’s a Nazi. “there were some very fine people walking out there who weren’t nazi’s or white supremacists’ FINE PEOPLE DO NOT WALK OR PROTEST WITH NAZI’S.

        What really shakes me to my core are the people defending him. Well of course both sides are to blame they say! I have no idea how to respond to them.

      • Vizia says:

        Yeah, I’m with Emma33. He has very few people still cheering for him, and his loyalty lies with them, and this hate group is a big part of the small portion of support that he still has left. This is how he got elected–tell the crowd in front of you what they want to hear. There’s no substance behind his words. He didn’t “lock her up”, he put no real effort into “repeal and replace” or “build the wall” or anything else he spews. He just wants the cheering crowd and says whatever he has to to make them cheer. This is why people say that he’s not personally racist/neo-nazi etc etc etc. He’s nothing. Dead inside. He’s just the guy who wants the adulation, he believes in nothing but himself. I say this as a person who has card-carrying (literally, they have cards) KKK members in her family history, and as a mental health professional (Goldwater Rule be damned!). He does not believe, with that gut-churning horrible self-righteous hate and certainty, that whites are better than everyone. He believes that *he* is better than everyone else, white, black GOP, Democrats, other rich white guys, all other world leaders, all other humans. And he’ll defend anyone who reflects that back to him.

      • Lahdidahbaby says:

        Exactly, Shambles, and for normal, decent citizens it’s now such a weird combination of outrage, disbelief, and hurt — yes, hurt — that life in the United States has become a humiliation.

      • Raina says:

        Is it horrible that I adore every insane human vomit of evil that this hellbound orange twat tweets? Keep it coming you disgusting orange gum stuck to shoe. Bury yourself you piece of fungi. I hate myself for hating this Hitler 2.0 this much. They aren’t worth hell or hate. They are meant to be obsolete. Die orange Cunt dinosaur.
        I’ve lost it.

      • Tiffany :) says:

        **Good News Update!!**

        Illinois state senate passed a resolution that encourages law enforcement to view white nationalists and Nazis as terrorist organizations in the state of Illinois!

        Very interesting idea. I’m thinking about writing to my own state congressional members.

      • Esmom says:

        Emma33, I agree with you, I’ve thought this since he began his campaign. He really is devoid of any core beliefs or values. He’s surrounded himself with the worst people imaginable so he’s reflecting that as much if not more so than any personal ideology. He’s an empty shell. And truly despicable and dangerous.

      • Ellie says:

        If the election were held today he would still win. That is the scariest part.

        And daily more kindhearted Americans talk about not coming home from abroad or moving to Canada. We need you here!

      • Tiffany :) says:

        **Good News Update #2!!**

        So many CEOs were leaving the President’s advisory councils, that he just disbanded them ALL!!!

        No one wants to be in your club, Donnie.

      • 2Little2late says:

        When I stated that he was a fascist- LAST YEAR- people thought I was being extreme. I have lost many, many followers (from left and right clients) in a vocation where my “hire-ability” is based on followers. HE hired steve bannon as his campaign manager- that spoke VOLUMES. This gradual de-cloaking is no surprise. In this case it’s more than a bitter “i told you so”.

      • milla says:

        He is racist. Nazis came after slavery. And slavery was popular all over the world before black people were taken from Africa.

        I know this doesn’t really matter now but knowledge is power. To sum it up : he hates black people, women in general but he would sell his mother for a dollar. He is power and money driven. There is word for all that.

    • Esmerelda says:

      I’m afraid he’s perfectly sane. Fanning the flame of the Civil War will keep all attention away from his shady deals and keep his base energised while he takes away their health care – and if he’s ever prosecuted for even one unrelated thing, he can whine “they’re trying to silence me for telling the non PC truth! Evil alt-left commies!”
      It’s a even better smokescreen for him than twitter feuding with North Korea – less risk of being taken to task by the international community.
      (Also, I think he means what he says – he’s a true believer, a true fascist – but he decided to double down because he thinks it’s expedient)

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      • Kitten says:

        Totally agree, Esmom, and it’s f*cking WORKING. His base is as fired up as ever.

        I had four people in my FB almost simultaneously post some version of this after the presser yesterday: “I’ve had it. Done. If you are still supporting this guy just unfriend me” and these are all people who only post about politics occasionally.

        The divide has never been stronger.

        I expect that the rally here in Boston on Saturday won’t be remotely as volatile as the one in WV. We are not an open-carry state and I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s exactly why so many Nazi leaders have dropped out of the protest. These assholes are scared as shit without their assault rifles and military gear.

      • Megan says:

        I think he was straight up pi$$ed that the media didn’t fall to the ground and kiss his feet after his speech on Monday and he wanted to scream about it. That said, I think someone else, like Steve Bannon or Stephen Miller, may be stoking his anger to create a distraction and empower their neo-nazi fan boys

      • Esmerelda says:

        About the Boston rally – I think it’s half cowardice half planning: the right is trying to manipulate the narrative to paint the left as the ‘true villain’ – if they can generate a situation where just one dumb antifa charges a handful of ‘peacefully protesting’ neo-nazis, they win.

        Trump has given them a bare-bones script, the alt-right is now regrouping and thinking how to follow it, IMHO.

      • lightpurple says:

        @Kitten, yes, I think being told they can’t march with their rifles and semi-automatic weapons is discouraging many of them from attending. They simply lack real courage without their guns to prop them up and act as substitutes for their impotent penises. And you can’t very well conceal a rifle. Also, MA has no reciprocity for gun licenses from any other state – you must have a MA license to have a gun in MA, so that right there knocks out the out-of-staters. And they know they are going to be outnumbered by the thousands.

      • Llamas says:

        I feel like he’s not okay. He’s just…too…crazy. at his age he is at risk for lots of brain diseases. I just need some logical medical reason to explain him.–jack-sparrow-funny-captain-jack-sparrow.jpg

      • Christin says:

        But can they carry tiki torches? Such fierceness, to borrow items from their parents’ patio…

      • lightpurple says:

        @Kitten, Christin, & Esmeralda, they still do not have a permit but the City recognizes there will still be marchers even with no permit. The organizers are meeting with the police commissioner and parks department today. Of course, guns are banned but the Mayor has now banned bats and sticks of any kind, and, since tiki torches are carried on sticks, no tiki torches. I expect more items to be banned. Backpacks were banned from the women’s march.

        Also, after the women’s march in January, which was too large for the march area, the Parks Department posted a picture of the Common on its website, thanking the marchers for leaving the historic park in such pristine condition. So, if they don’t clean up, the Parks Department will let us all know.

      • Raina says:

        2018. That’s it. I can’t.

      • Birdix says:

        They’re coming to SF the following weekend and do have a permit for Crissy Field, which is federal land, part of the national park. People are suggesting to ignore them but I’ll be there protesting right back. I’m so furious.

      • lightpurple says:

        Update on the Boston rally: as of 3 PM still no permit, although people have gatherings on the Common without permits all the time. Various City departments have met with them and the counterprotesters. They will be confined to a specific area behind barriers apart from all other people. All bags will be searched. No guns, knives, bats, sticks of any kind, which includes not just tiki torches but flags too.

    • Raina says:

      At this point, I’m in tears. Trump and his gang of sociopaths need to go to jail.

    • Katenotkatie says:

      @Emma33 agreed x 1,000,000

  2. KJA says:

    At any given point these days, I feel like I’m either near tears, or a rage induced mental breakdown. This is too much.

    • Who ARE these people? says:

      Greetings from your psycho-emotional twin.

      • Esmom says:

        And triplet.

        Yesterday completely redefined my idea of “new low.” I barely slept. Thank goodness for my CB friends.

      • KJA says:

        Honestly, hearing from and talking to like minded people on CB is one of the few things that keep me sane. Sending you all love, especially the American readers.

      • Beth says:

        CB is the only place that people see things the way I do. Hard to find smart people these days. Thanks so much for you guys being around

      • Kitten says:

        Same. Also not sleeping and I feel like I’m losing it for real.

        Watched the Vice doc about Charlottesville this morning and just broke down crying.

        I just don’t want to live in this country anymore. I cannot take 3.5 more years of this…

      • Who ARE these people? says:

        Piloting a new approach. Instead of asking “what fresh hell today?” I’m saying, “One day closer to his removal or death.” What do you think?

      • Tiffany :) says:

        I watched the Vice doc last night, and bawled as well. I was so unproductive yesterday. I worry I am getting depressed.

        I keep hoping, waiting for that tipping point where conservatives turn on this man. And they never do it. They tweet strong words, but they never follow through with action.

        I guess…under all of their bluster, I did think that Republican Americans CARED about their country. I thought they were PATRIOTIC. I thought that we had different ideas about policy, but ultimately, I always thought their (misguided) hearts were in the right place.

        I can’t believe they are ok with Nazis. I can’t believe they are ok with a President who says Nazis are good people.

      • magnoliarose says:

        @Tiffany:) They don’t care but these Nazis are going to be out every weekend and he will be confronted with it every weekend.
        How long can they withstand that?
        We can only hope.

    • LadyMTL says:

      Honestly, I’m just bewildered. I watch the news and think of all of the insane sh*t that’s happening there and my mind is like “yeah, we’re not gonna process this…peace out.” I wish I could have all of you come to Canada, if for no other reason than we’re not defending freaking Nazis. (We’re not perfect but we have maple syrup and health care, and our PM is kind cute.)

      • Kitten says:

        No you guys are definitely not defending Nazis, but make no mistake: these guys are everywhere. There was a Canadian dude featured in the Vice doc I referenced above. He drove all the way from Canada to protect a f*cking confederate statue. LOL

        PS_The Nazi leader in the documentary referred to Canada as “Canadikzstan”
        *eye roll* I guess life is so hard in Canada for the poor oppressed white man??

      • Still_Sarah says:

        @ LadyMtl : Well said! I am from Hamilton, Canada’s steel town. I am beyond sad at what the USA seems to be turning into. Americans deserve so much better.

      • Nic919 says:

        Rebel TV, an Ezra Levant creation is definitely in the middle of the mess. Faith Goldy was at the march and making snarky remarks about the counter protestors seconds before the car crash. Gavin McInnes is linked to the Proud Boys and a Richard Spencer. So sadly there are Canadian racists involved in this.

      • Arpeggi says:

        It’s not all fluff here either. Remember that a white guy from Quebec killed 6 people this winter just because they were muslims and praying in their mosque?

    • Megan says:

      I’m right there with you. There is a TV in the kitchen at my office and we were all standing there in stunned silence until a colleague walked in and turned it off. She said Trump didn’t deserve our time. She was right.

      • Christin says:

        I am so glad I had already left work and did not see him live. Your co-worker was right — it’s a waste of our time to watch such ‘performances’. I just wait for highlights.

    • Beth says:

      You’re not alone. I was shaking yesterday while watching this. My boyfriend held me while I cried last night. Didn’t sleep much again

      • CuriousCole says:

        I almost threw up when I saw this. What’s worse is my boyfriend is Army and away training for four more months. I’m dreading having to tell him about this, he was already conflicted about having to officially follow orders from this deplorable human being.

    • magnoliarose says:

      You aren’t alone. Now I am just wondering what to do. I couldn’t let my kids sleep in their rooms, so we played slumber party and they piled in bed with us. I needed to see them to know they are OK. I didn’t sleep much.

    • Emma33 says:

      Yeah, I got 2 minutes into that presser and had to turn it off…and I don’t even live in the US. I don’t know how you guys are coping, this is just a horror show.

      • KJA says:

        I don’t live in the US either-I honestly don’t know if/how I would cope if I was American.

      • Kitten says:

        The sane people are hanging by a thread, believe me.

        If I could get a bit personal for a second, this has been a crazy year for me in that last October I met my BF. He is truly the most incredible person I’ve ever met and our relationship is the relationship I’ve always dreamed of having.
        In terms of my personal life, this is probably the happiest I’ve ever been.

        Conversely, this past year has been so trying. Beginning with the fear and dread that I felt for months leading up to the election, the pain of watching HRC lose, and now ending with the terror that accompanies watching our rights, our government protection, our very democracy and of course Obama’s legacy, being swiftly dismantled in front of our faces.

        It’s just such a strange feeling to be so happy and in love while I’m watching our country burn to the ground. Just the fact that this is all happening congruently is hard to handle…
        …I’m joyful then depressed, full and happy heart one second, filled with despair and sadness the next.

        It’s just a constant roller coaster of emotions.

        Does anybody have a similar experience? Maybe you are expecting a baby or planning a wedding or something really wonderful while all this awful shit is happening at the same time?

      • Enough Already says:

        Watching my nieces grow into young teens and seeing them go from awkward, brace-faced gigglers into confident, knowledgable, quirky, beautiful young women of color has been wonder inducing for me. I constantly have to juxtapose this joy with what is going around me. I’m nauseous and anxiety riddled with the fact that these vibrant, curious blessings will become women in Trump’s America.

      • Beth says:

        Yes @kitten. 2 years ago my heart was shattered and I was really depressed for a whole year until I met my boyfriend last summer. I’m so happy with him and so lucky to have him. We’ve been talking about being together forever.

        Now that things are going great for me, Trump and his supporters have really brought me down. I’m always worried about what’s happening to our country and upset about arguments with strangers, friends and family who don’t agree with me. Frustrating and scary to have such an unhinged guy in charge of our country and some don’t care or realize there’s trouble. I’ve had medical insurance my entire life, and never thought there was a chance I’d lose it. I don’t know what I’ll do without it, and there’s lots of people who need it even more.

        I now go from being so happy one day, and having anxiety attacks the next day. Totally unfair for this to happen. Let’s hope for impeachment and maybe the next 3 and a half years won’t be as bad as Trump has made it.

      • Kitten says:

        @ Enough Already- I have so much hope for young women like your nieces. Maybe the younger generation will see how destructive pervasive, systemic and sanctioned hatefulness can be and will bring this country back from the brink.

        Because I’m not gonna lie: generally-speaking, I have no love for Boomers these days–and I say that as the daughter of two very progressive Babyboomers.

        @Beth- I totally get it and I HATE Trump and his supporters for ruining the lives of so many. I know feeling like you’re unable to enjoy a happy relationship is a first world problem compared to the fears that PoCs, immigrants, LGBTQ community etc are feeling right now, but I’ve never had a POTUS affect my life to this degree. It’s just a crazy scary feeling.

      • littlestar says:

        Kitten, the same thing is happening for me. Big exciting life changes with the fear of the unknown there too, if that makes sense. I think what we need to do is be positive and put positivity out into the world and hope it overcomes everything that is bad in the world. When times are tough we need to keep believing that people ARE good and that good things will happen for us. That love IS powerful and that things like being kind to a stranger can go a long way.

        We WILL get through this. We just need to remember to put more energy into the good things in life and not into anger and hate.

        (P.S. My prediction is that trump will be gone by December.)

      • Christin says:

        Each time I get overly sad, I think about what other generations experienced (during past 100 years: WWI, 1930s/40s and 1960s – many other examples of struggles, hatred and losses). It helps me to know that many people like my grandparents and parents trudged forward and the country survived.

        My biggest concern is passive complacency / laziness. Voters are likely going to be the eventual fixers of this mess, in 2018 and 2020.

      • magnoliarose says:

        @kitten Congrats on your love life. You have someone to cuddle with through this nightmare and feel loved when it feels so dark.
        @EnoughAlready That is special. We can let these young women down. They are a reminder why we fight. Easier said than done but it has to be said.
        @Beth Hang in there.
        @littlestar I hope he is gone soon. We can’t handle this for years as a country.

        As much as I blab here I don’t talk that much to people I don’t know about my life but then there is the anonymous element here that makes it easy. These are frightening times and I think a lot of people just want to feel connected to other sane people besides the people you know offline.
        It was the hard year personally with separating and fighting about divorcing but the best in that we made it through such a dark period, and we are back together closer than ever and crazy in love again. It never left I suspect. We had lost each other through so much misunderstanding and built up resentment. My little ones are thrilled and happy. I love being a complete unit again. I traveled last year all over the place first for a project and then to visit family and friends all over the globe with my kids and my husband sometimes. We visited him working overseas. That should have been the clue we can’t quit each other. lol
        His career is exciting right now and my options to work again as much or as little as I want is open again. My nonmaternal sister just had a second baby in her forties unexpectedly, but we are so happy. She pretends to be put out, but she fools no one.
        I try to fill out my children’s baby books with current affairs but I don’t anymore. What can I say?
        No matter how great everything is the world is scary and uncertain. I am forced to make some hard decisions to make sure if things get back enough we can leave. I used to press my great uncle about leaving Russia and why didn’t he leave earlier and didn’t you know? I get it now. Planning is comforting even if it comes to nothing. These are sad times.

      • Dippit says:

        @Kitten I’m watching in horror from the other side of The Atlantic. I have bipolar affective disorder of the rapid-cycling with mixed state variety (so I know the maelstrom of conflicting emotions very acutely). Due to a very bumpy year, thus far, my medical team are medicating the hell out of me – injections and tablets galore. The consequences of which is that I am chemically coshed to all intents and purposes. I can cognitively recognise when I should be feeling good or bad in a situation but I can’t FEEL much at my core. I am in a state of induced flatland. *Except when it comes to the horror I FEEL over Trump.

        My psychiatrist, Community Psychiatric Nurse, and the Crisis Resolution Team with whom I’ve been working since January have all noted an uptick in patients citing the state of the US for causing them feelings of despair. Bear in mind this is in the UK so I can only begin to imagine what it’s like for US citizens such as yourself.

        I hope you can take all the strength and happiness from your newfound love

      • Esmom says:

        Kitten, so happy to hear you and your bf are still going strong. And thanks to all for sharing their thoughts and stories. I have two teens and one is on the autism spectrum and battles depression and anxiety. Yet, he’s managed to do well in school and is applying to colleges. It’s very bittersweet — I will miss him like crazy but am beyond proud of how hard he works every second of every day and how far he’s come. My other son was diagnosed with a serious chronic illness earlier this summer…it hasn’t been as stressful as people might think, I think because of all that I’ve gone through with my other son.

        It’s been very hard to discuss politics with my teens because they seem to think they know everything, especially my younger son. He’s such a great kid but has been trying to push me away for months (developmentally normal, I know) and really doesn’t want to hear anything I have to say about pretty much anything. His friends are all good kids but I worry about the one who comes from a Trump supporting family and loves to talk about conspiracy theories — I can see my son siding with him purely out of rebellion. Strangely, along with the healthcare uncertainty, that’s the thing I’ve been worrying about most. Luckily he has some great teachers and other adults in his life who are compassionate and passionate about social justice. As a great, inspiring, strong woman once said, “it takes a village.”

      • Erica_V says:

        @ Kitten – planning a wedding and took out double on my loan because Dump is hell bent on killing us all one way or another so I might as well splurge on the big centerpieces.

      • Esmom says:

        P.S. One more bit of good news for me, my friend just told me she scored us two tickets to see Pod Save America live in Oct! Seems they sold out fast, more good news for the resistance.

      • Enough Already says:

        Kitten, magnoliarose and everyone on this offshoot,

        Thank you thank you for your stories and your resolute determination. It is comforting and empowering. I’m proud to be a daisy in this chain.

      • magnoliarose says:

        Excuse my typos. iPad and fatigue… 🙁

      • Aurelia says:

        I few years ago I felt regret at not being able to have a second child. We wanted two children. Now I am glad we only bought one should into this shit mess. Dark things are on the horizon. I don’t want anybody more than we have to suffer.

    • Payal says:

      I’m thinking I may not survive a full term of Trump.

    • CityGirl says:

      KJA – you’ve summed it up perfectly

    • Lahdidahbaby says:

      Yes, KJA and all the rest of my CB friends here (that you exist is a soul-saver). The outrage and disbelief that have become such a constant state since November 8 have now been overridden by a plain, dull, feeling of hurt — hurt at what is happening to our country, hurt that our democracy has somehow failed us, failed to keep a reactionary rightwing madman from ascending to the presidency. We have been so dramatically and profoundly let down by our system, unless it can step in and save us without delay by impeaching the bastard or simply carting him away to an asylum.

      Then, of course, we have Pence. A saner far-right ideologue who has no concept of female equality, just for starters.

      Win-at-any-cost politics is at the bottom of this travesty. The GOP was so desperate to be in power that even the so-called reasonable ones sold their souls and jumped on the Trump train without considering what they were doing to our country.

    • Aurelia says:

      What the hell have I been reading here???? I live in a peaceful small country and I’m expected to believe american rhetoric that the U.S is the greatest country on earth. The land of the free, envy of the world. I don’t envy you that your employer only has to give you 2 weeks annual leave, you have no paid maternity leave, you can be fired from a job on whim ( this is not possible where I live, there is a dismissal process required), hell you don’t even have universal free health care. I could go on and on. You are primative! And now I hear you have marches where people can actually bear weapons in the street???? I’m stunned. From an outsider looking in it is mind boggling what you guys put up with.

  3. Lindy79 says:

    Those lovely nazis. They only arrived with riot gear on chanting hate speech and nazi slogans because they were afraid of the leftists.

    Im off to the Sterling K Brown post to calm myself

  4. Maya says:

    I just can’t anymore with seeing this level of racism, sexism and hatred coming from Trump, Republicans and his supporters.

    Mother Earth and humanity are weeping seeing that history seems to repeat itself but this time with bigger weapons and consequences.

    I am not a praying kind of person but I praying now for those poor people in America who don’t support this hatred. I hope this nightmare ends soon without more lives lost.

  5. Jenns says:

    And what will happen to him? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

    Republicans will ride this one out because they 1. Want tax cuts for the rich. 2. They agree with him.

    • Who ARE these people? says:

      It gets ever harder to get that agenda through but I agree on their racism.

    • Esmerelda says:

      With the added benefit that any left-wing movement can now be painted as ‘violent alt-left’: the one percent is safe from a repeat of Occupy Wall Street and similar wealth redistribution movements. I think most of the GOP supports this smearing of the left. He’s their man.

  6. Nicole says:

    He’s insane. And I’ve been anxious and mad ever since the election but yesterday I felt outright hatred for people that unleashed him on us. We were outside trump tower during the conference for the DACA protest and everyone got heated once the remarks hit the web.
    Legitimately I can say I hate this man and every person that voted for him and enables him now.

    • Alix says:

      You and me too, Nicole.

      • Kitten says:

        Yeah I thought about that comment you made here the other day, the one that got some blowback.

        And while I think we agreed it was dangerous to say in terms of karma, GOD DAMN if I wasn’t thinking exactly what you wrote (and later edited) all afternoon yesterday.

      • Alix says:

        @kitten: Which is why I officially took it back. But yeah, hard not to think it, huh?

      • Kitten says:

        Yup. As I said at the time, you expressed something that many of us have felt before. I don’t feel good about feeling that way but it is what it is.

    • magnoliarose says:

      I hate his effing guts. His followers are dead to me. I don’t give a flying eff if they get jobs, healthcare, Opioid programs or if every coal mine collapses (not with anyone in it). Guess what idiots steel is dead. Your jobs are gone. THEY AREN’T COMING BACK! Suffer and suck it up.

    • Tiffany :) says:

      He has created this weird, protective rage in me. I have never been a person who gets upset if I get attacked, but you come after one of my friends or family, and its a whole other story.

      With Trump, I feel protective of millions of people. I want to DO something about it. He and his administration are threatening the safety of legitimately good people, and I feel such a desire to go to battle to protect them. But I don’t know how to do it. Marches, signs, tweets, phone calls, petitions, they don’t seem to be enough. We still have armed men walking down streets threatening to exterminate my fellow citizens, and we have President how says their are good people.

      I just don’t know what to do in the face of such obvious evil.

    • Erica_V says:

      My boss is a Dump supporter. Every single day I have to talk myself out of walking into his office, slapping him across the face and screaming BUT HER EMAILS RIGHT!?!?!?!?!!?

  7. Eric says:


    • ida says:

      + 1000

    • Maya says:

      I think the damage has been done and there won’t be peace in USA for years maybe decades.

      It took Germany almost 40 years to get rid of the sins of their forefathers. It may take a lot longer with America and the Republican Party.

      • Raina says:

        And I was born in Russia, the smart ones discard Trump. The idiots are loyal to the degree of being freaking stupid. Putin and Trump need to go to prison camps.

    • Nicole says:

      I’m over peace.

    • Esmom says:

      Thank you Eric for your optimism. Although my bleary eyes initially read “Pence” instead of “Peace,” lol. I’m not sure peace or healing will be achieved, at least in my lifetime.

      • Annetommy says:

        Pence is cowering in the panic room with the rest of the cowards. In case trump attacks him on Twitter. It was appalling to see a president acting and speaking this way. Those in his party who are not speaking out are – as SNL says – complicit. And talking of complicit, how’s Ivanka? Still advising?

      • swak says:

        Ivanka and Jared are on a well deserved 2 day vacation (IIRC what I read yesterday). Far, far away from this.

      • Christin says:

        Any one of those enablers at that press conference could have stepped up and publicly stated his views were not theirs. Standing by and grinning or looking at the floor doesn’t count.

        Funny how the ‘going rogue’ / surprised staffers narrative came out so quickly. Yeah, right. Walk the talk. Resign. Start talking and doing the right thing.

    • adastraperaspera says:


  8. Lenn says:

    I don’t even live in the US and I go to bed at night wondering what the hell will happen next. I feel like something horrible is brewing.

    • Sixer says:

      The rest of the world is all going – um… help? The country with more bombs and firepower than the rest of the world put together is being led by an unstable, unhinged, fantasist villain who makes the dictators in the rest of the world look measured and reserved.

      • Maria F. says:

        and feeling so helpless. I used to live in the US for 13 years and am now back in Germany following closely all the stories coming out of DC. And I cannot believe that the country that was my second home has deteriorated within 8 months like this. And I know that there were a lot of problems under the surface, but at least you had hope that things might move in the right direction. Now we are basically facing a political civil war and who knows how this will end? The GOP does not seem to throw a line in the sand. It gets moved for MILES every other day.

      • Mumzy says:

        I think most Americans have finally accepted what he is. The part that really is giving increasing anxiety is that we have always believed in our “system of checks and balances” — Senate and Congress, etc. The design of the government was supposed to protect us from this very sort of thing happening. What we are now realizing, in horror and disgust, is that it is not offering any protection to us, but is rather actually now complicit. These people who are there to provide rational balance to protect us from a dangerous president (so unqualified in so many ways), are actually harboring and protecting him — clearly for their own self interest.

      • Megan says:

        @Mumzy Ryan and McCain didn’t have the guts to call out Trunp by name. They are so damn complicit we need a new word for it.

      • Betsy says:

        I think the Us is going to need an international intervention, Sixer. I know we’ve launched wars and covert actions, but I think we have also helped out occasionally. Now we need help – starting with an international body to examine the 2016 Election. I still do not believe he was elected (though make no mistake; it is a stain upon our nation that it was close enough for Putin to have been able to hack it.)

      • Aurelia says:

        Call me a conspiracy but if you like. Trump has been installed as the unhinged trigger man required to bring about the new world order. Think about it. In a matter of a few months you have both nuclear and civil wars imminent. Nothing like a bit of divide and conque when you need to get things done. Oldest trick in the book. Ladt unhinged trigger man was adolf hitler. The global elite are apparently very patient people. 2018 is apparently “go time” for the elite. Enjoy the last of your freedoms.

    • littlemissnaughty says:

      Yeah. It’s pretty awful when you realize that your most immediate concern is neither Putin nor Erdogan but the f*cking Führer of the United States. With the launch codes at his toddler-like fingertips. I was going to write something like “I feel like this is only the beginning.” yesterday but then I thought “Don’t be dramatic.” Let’s be dramatic. Let’s be realistic. Whatever happens, the nazi genie is out of the bottle and even removing 45 won’t change that. It might make it worse.

  9. RBC says:

    Chief of Staff Kelly looks like he is going to be sick. If he stays on until the end of the year I will be shocked.

    • Megan says:

      If Kelly stays on until the end of the week we will know he is a spineless, gutless, sycophant who agrees with Trump.

      • ArchieGoodwin says:

        yes, absolutely. I am surprised, but not, that he hasn’t resigned yet.

      • Christin says:

        Why anyone would join this train wreck makes me question their true motives. He should resign TODAY, if he has a moral compass. He’s 67 and does not need this gig.

    • Jenns says:

      It means nothing if he doesn’t resign immediately.

    • Beth says:

      I was really hoping he could get Trump under control. Seeing Kelly standing with his arms crossed and looking at the floor, showed it’s not working and he might give up

      • lightpurple says:

        But Kelly’s job as Chief of Staff is not to get Trump under control. It is to manage access to him by controlling the others. Trump himself can’t be controlled; he’s too crazed.

    • Supfan says:

      Was the Chief of Staff doing the ‘Mannequin Challenge? !

  10. anonymous says:

    He needs to get impeached ! like asap !

  11. Alix says:

    What I find hard to believe is that no one misguided enough to vote for him saw this coming. He’s BEYOND incompetent.

    At least W, Harding, and Nixon can rest easy (or in peace) now, knowing they’ll no longer be in the running for worst president ever.

    • adastraperaspera says:

      Many thought he was the character that they watched on The Apprentice for years. Bombastic, but at heart an affable BS-er with friends from all walks of life. This was not his actual self, as we now can see. Exactly the reason that websites about celebs should be covering him now more than ever. Thanks again to Kaiser and the other Celebitchy writers.

    • Payal says:

      They knew. And they agree with him.

    • Scal says:

      He’ll be tied with James Buchanan-the last president who was in office right before a civil war. That’s what he’s aiming for. *vomit*

  12. TPOE says:

    Are any of us surprised? Trump is a narcissist, a racist, a sexist and a buffoon. He has the IQ of a five year old and the self awareness of a mango. Everything he knows he learned from listening to sycophants, watching Fox and Friends and listening to Alex Jones. If his dad wasn’t a billionaire, if not for his inheritance, he’d, at best, be a failed con man rotting away in jail.

    We (everyone who didn’t vote for his incompetent, insecure, lazy ass) already knew this.

    The only question now, the only one that matters, is just how many of the people who actually voted for him are going to vote for him again in the next election. I doubt there are enough racists and bigots in America to re-elect him. There weren’t enough to elect him in the first place. But he did sucker enough stupid people to vote for him. Will those stupid people suddenly get smarter between now and the next election? Even if he destroys social safety nets, makes America weaker globally, raises their taxes and takes away their health care?

    I’m worried that it won’t matter. They will still vote him because the bat shit they think is the “real news” will just convince them that they have to vote for him again to save America from “lyin’ crooked’ insert democratic candidate”

    • Jenns says:

      The only thing that is surprising is that people are surprised at this. This is exactly who he has shown himself to be.

      His administration and republicans are on!y upset that he said this out loud.

    • abby says:


      And IMO the republicans are only making noise now because of the overt Nazi symbolism. The racism has been overt for some time and all we got was deafening silence.

      Nothing here is surprising. In fact, nothing here is surprising about Trump or his supporters. Were people asleep during the Obama administration? The number of hate groups multiplied incredibly during Obama’s presidency. White supremacy groups, Neo-Nazis, etc. They have been around for decades, maybe longer.
      I mean, regardless of that whole “all men are created equal” business in reality this country was built on the concept of white supremacy and religion was used to justify it all. Are we surprised it persists and that Christians are some of its staunchest supporters? These groups are Trump’s base, his core supporters. He will never denounce them.

      So no, I am not surprised at all. The US has been heading in this direction for decades but gains in civil rights have blinded many to the reality. Hate groups have infiltrated law enforcement, the judiciary, etc. The have organized. Their resentment is now a weapon and many are in a position to use it.
      And Trump is just the manipulator/con-man to take advantage of the racial resentments that run deep in this country. I don’t think Trump is stupid at all. He may not be smart in the traditional way that we expect presidents to be (in that regard then yes he is an idiot) but IMO Trump knows how to read a crowd. He tells them exactly what they want to hear or he says just enough to piss you off but not enough to incriminate himself. He is an opportunist and manipulator, his only ideology is to serve his interests.
      Right now, I am saddened by the state of the US. I am sad because it took so little for it to come to this. Certainly all is not lost but if progressives keep fighting each other over relatively small details and don’t start making gains at the local, state and federal levels, it won’t matter. Progressives have a common enemy, we need to keep our eye on the big picture.

      • Boo Peep says:

        @Abby YES!!! Agree. That’s why I find the people who voted for Trump more frightening than Trump himself. They are acquaintances, friends or neighbors. There are many of them. As a queer POC woman, I’m sad/angry that people in my community/country may smile to my face, but they don’t really think of me as human.

        Trump won the presidency by blaming economic ills on groups of people with less power, stating that if “those” people were forced out of the U.S., then this country would return to its former glory. He cast minorities as the aggressors and the majority as the victims.

        I assumed at best, votes for Trump meant that swaths of people didn’t care about other people’s safety and prioritized promises of job security. Now I see, at worst, Trump supporters have believed in these sentiments prior to Trump, and are empowered because someone in a position of authority is validating their biases. That’s all. They already believed this, but most of them were too afraid to voice their opinions in the open because they knew these weren’t “PC” things to say. But now it’s okay! Because many of their friends, neighbors and president think the same way.

  13. anonymous says:

    The man is literaly clapping for people who would love to put his daughter and grandchildren into gaz chambers. This is crazy !

    • Valois says:

      The Nationalsocialists had “honour aryans”, like the Jewish doctor who treated Klara Hitler. Just like them, Drumpf is a huge hypocrite.

      What I find crazy is that plenty of those racist protesters admire a dictatorship where they
      – might have been some of the first ones that Hitler got rid of in 1934 because he didn’t need the dumb streetfighters anympre or
      – they might have been sent into a camp with a black triangle or who knows what.

    • Aurelia says:

      The other politician to get voted in on blaming economic ills on a certain group of people (Jews) and promising to make Germany great again, was your friend and mine Adolf Hitler, who came in on the Socialist Workers Party ticket in the 1930’s. Ring any bells with anyone. And suckers voted for him in your country. I honestly couldn’t believe my ears during the run up to the u.s elections last year. Thank god I’m educated.

      My husband still thinks good will triumph over evil and common sense will prevail. I said that is exactly what people said in the late 1930’s in Germany just before shit really got real. I am honestly scared for the first time in my life

  14. Radley says:

    It’s been zero days since our last nonsense.

    Once again I ask, where is rock bottom? When is enough, enough? How much longer will this monster be allowed to humiliated and endanger us? I’m aghast.

  15. Rapunzel says:

    Our president said Nazis are OK. And you shouldn’t protest them without a permit.

    I need to up my blood pressure meds.

  16. detritus says:

    The man in that video, Kelly?, he looks like he is going to die from stress. That is not a healthy or happy man and he’s too self aware to survive a Trumpocracy.

  17. trollontheloose says:

    So surely there are some fine men in ISIS and surely there was some fine men in the Gestapo/S.S.. we should tell that to WWII vets and make them feel guilty that they charged at nice fine people.
    He said “charging at US”. Huge give away that indeed 45 is in their groups. There is a video with 45 and Matt Lauer in 2000 where 45 said that David Duke is not a person ‘to be involve with. Who would what to be involve with this hateful guy” . fast forward to 2016,:”I don’t know who he is, i don’t know why you brought up this guy and his group..” Alzheimer on demand

    • LittlestRoman says:

      “Fine men” indeed. Usually, I’m able to ignore The Great and Powerful Cheeto, but something about his unhinged lunacy yesterday got under my skin. I just keep thinking about my dear grandpa who suffered from decades of PTSD because of the atrocities he saw in Germany. The president is spitting on the sacrifices he made and it’s hard for me to put into words how livid that makes me.

  18. IlsaLund says:

    So now Trump and the rest of the White House white supremacist have entered the “alt-left” term into the media. No such thing exists but it will be trumpeted and used ad nauseum to justify the actions of all the crazy domestic terrorists. They’ll use that term to further confuse the mindless sheep in this country who are too lazy to educate themselves about who the real danger is to our society. Just watch and see how all of those racists will start throwing the term alt-left around the same as they call everything fake news.

    • Kitten says:

      I am so effin frustrated with all the comments claiming antifa or BLM are “just as bad” as Nazis.

      Um NO.

      Antifa and BLM are not responsible for the extermination of millions and neither movement walks around open-carrying assault weapons, draped in military-grade gear. Fascists are not the equivalent of those that fight fascism. To paraphrase Hasan Piker, saying that antifa or BLM is the same as Nazis is like saying that the KKK and civil rights activists were equally as bad during Jim Crowe south.

      • lightpurple says:

        The US Civil War resulted in over 620,000 deaths and that count doesn’t include slaves who were routinely killed on the plantations. The Confederacy is responsible for those 620,000. Nazis are responsible for the murder of 6 million Jews, and at least another million murders of Roma, the disabled, and gays. They are also responsible for the war that claimed over 60 million lives. Those numbers need to be brought up whenever anyone tries to equate Nazis or Confederates with anyone else.

        Also, in answer to Trump’s question about why people don’t want to tear down statues of Jefferson or Washington instead of those of General Robert E. Lee, Lee was a traitor to the US, Washington and Jefferson were not traitors to the US.

        And the next time a Trumpet tells me that we need to get over losing the election, I’m going to point out that they need to get over losing the Civil War.

      • Esmom says:

        lightpurple, I saw a funny tweet yesterday about how the Confederate statues are “literally participation trophies,” which the right loves to bitch about. LMAO!

      • Erica_V says:

        I actually really hate the term “Antifa”. I’m struggling to put into words why but it feels like a nickname the Right gave in hopes people don’t know what it means and thinks it’s a negative thing.

        I keep thinking about the conversation between the mother of guy who murdered Heather Heyer and a reporter.
        “He said he was going to an albright rally.”
        the reporter corrects her “you mean alt-right?”
        the mother “No, albright.”

        Using proper terms is important.

  19. Rapunzel says:

    And he’s tweeting NK again. Saying Kim Jong Un made a “wise and reasoned” decision not to bomb Guam. He’s insane.

    • lightpurple says:

      And providing Fox plenty of free advertising.

      • Lolo86lf says:

        I was watching Fox News today and they were defending Donald Trump claims of both sides were to blame. They are so disgusting.

    • Esmerelda says:

      They are mutually reinforcing narratives to induce paranoia: the twin menaces of North Korea and the alt-left, commies within and commies without… it’s an old strategy, but it seems to be working.

  20. Lolo86lf says:

    The white supremacists and neo Nazis truly got a president to support them. Only in America.

  21. Kiki says:

    It pains me to say this l, forgive me to the nice people of USA. However, I don’t have any sympathy for USA. Everyone was trying to tell you that Donald Trump is no good and still won’t budge. But when this is atrocity last weekend happen and now this was the final straw. I do not feel sorry for USA. When lay with sleeping dogs expect some fleas.

    • Honey says:

      That’s pretty cold. Do you know that 3 million more Americans voted for Hillary? Most of us knew he was bad, but some only vote for the party, no matter what. Russia hadn’t meddled, things might not be like this.

      • Veronica says:

        Nah, I agree with her, and I voted for Hillary. The people who voted for him intentionally hold the most blame, but the rest of us hold a small piece of it, too. I’m more politically active than most people my age, and I still look back and think about everything how much more I could have done. It’s a lot of things, in the end – whether it was due to our negligence in acknowledging the problems of voter suppression and gerrymandering, apathy toward the responsibilities of democracy (Democrats have been bleeding seats for eight years – would we even have this problem with a Congressional majority?), or just plain privileged purity politics and general ignorance toward civil rights discord. We all took democracy for granted. Now we get to see the fallout from that.

      • Kitten says:

        The problem is that Kiki has made similarly callous comments before.
        Whether she’s right/wrong in her sentiments isn’t really the issue for me. It’s just poor form to come to a forum where people are fearful, angry, and upset just to tell us that we deserve it.
        It’s smug and it’s gloating and it brings nothing helpful or interesting to the conversation.

      • Mim says:

        Can I ask a question?
        I know the US has a system where some states count for more on election days which caused Trump to get in, but what is being actively done to change this? I haven’t seen any protests to stop this happening again. Surely it does have to be changed.
        One more question. What are they going to do with the statues? I read they may get destroyed. That can’t be right can it? They are part of history (whether good or bad) so need to go to a museum

    • Megan says:

      @Kiki your lack of compassion speaks volumes about you.

    • Beth says:

      Thanks a million @kiki. You’re a real sweetheart. Always fun to know someone has no sympathy for my country and its people

    • Payal says:

      I think the vast majority of people who voted for the other candidate knew what he was. Neither your advice nor your sympathy is required here. You can take a seat.

    • paranormalgirl says:

      I didn’t lay with any sleeping dogs, Trump-wise. I voted against Trump, didn’t third party vote (even though I lean Libertarian), and have thrown my hat in with those opposing all the Trump stands for. I do not deserve someone else’s fleas and either does anyone else who did not support Trump.

      By the way, where are you from, Kiki? Because when and if bad things happen in your country, I will be sure to sympathize and empathize with those suffering or those who fought against the bad things that happen and I will not behave as you did on this board.

    • Nicole (the Cdn One) says:

      Well, personally, my heart breaks for what Americans are going through. It feels overwhelming and I cannot even imagine what it must be like to live in the midst of it. And none of us are safe from the impact of normalizing racism and hatred. It emboldens everyone with these views regardless of borders. I choose to stand in solidarity with all those opposing racist propaganda and to empathize with all those suffering from its expression.

  22. Maria F. says:

    and in a few days he will give a barely coherent press conference or speech and everybody will be ‘oh, he is finally presidential’. I hope this fiasco has proven to the press that he will NEVER be presidential and fit to run a country.

    • Annetommy says:

      People were on CNN last night saying that trump should apologise but won’t because he never does. But what would he be apologising for? What he said at trump tower was what he actually thinks. An apology wouldn’t change that, it would just be as hypocritical as the “better” speech he made criticising Nazis. RIP Heather, a woman of courage and conviction. 🗽🗽

      • paranormalgirl says:

        He’s a Narcissist. Nothing is ever his fault and he never feels the need to apologize. He’s downright psychopathic in nature.

  23. CC says:

    Remember when Hillary was filleted for daring to suggest his base was FULL of deplorables? Holy cow, I cannot imagine what it must be like for her to see her every admonishment come true, day after day after day.

  24. third ginger says:

    Many thanks to CB and all the fine posters here. I hope to God the epitaph for our great republic is not ” They had a permit.” Best to all.

  25. adastraperaspera says:

    We know Trump is a mob boss. We know he stole the presidency with the help of Putin. I am wondering what is making him so angry now that he is trying to nuke us and unleash nazi violence at the same time? I guess we could say he is crazy, sure. But that seems too easy an answer. Could the Mueller investigation be making headway that is forcing his hand? Chaos and division are his only defenses if indictments come down and undeniable evidence of his crimes is presented to the public.

  26. Neelyo says:

    Every Republican politician needs to be asked if they agree with their party leader that Nazis and White Supremacists are ‘good, fine people’.

  27. IndifferentCat says:

    I think it will be very hard for so many Americans to get rid of Trump because they will have to admit that they made a mistake. That’s not something the US is historically very good at doing.

  28. grabbyhands says:

    Not much to add except I am done with the “but we have to try and understand these people and why they voted for him” bullshit. Done.

    There is no more trying to justify or “interpret” what he said. If you do, you are complicit. You are giving a pass to a man who justified violence and murder committed by Nazis in an American city. Who defended Nazi marchers as “some very fine people”. After taking two days to vomit up the pathetic “there was violence and bigotry on many sides, but remember IT ISN’T MY FAULT!!” he then took 24 hours to prove what all already knew – that his little teleprompter statement naming names was complete and total bullshit.

    He’s been showing his true face since well before the election and people justified it, He continued to show his true face after they election and in the months after and people justified it. Gave him huge passes for the tiniest efforts, things they flayed Obama for. And now this. Defending Nazis. Justifying and supporting Nazisim.’

    If you are still justifying and supporting him, you ARE him. A Nazi. End of.

    • ArchieGoodwin says:

      Yes. I’ve had this opinion from Day 1. Taken much heat for it, in life and here. Been told that I was cold, unforgiving, had to rise up and be better. Been told that someone’s auntie voted for him, and should that person ditch sweet old auntie from her life because of it?
      Yes, yes you should. No deplorables in my life, thank you. Not ever.

      Because this was all told before the election. And if you didn’t see it then, you won’t now, and I am too old for this shit in my life.

      You are deplorable, every one who voted, supports, is still supporting. The Bernie Bros? F you. The “vote my conscience” people? F you even more.

  29. Marta says:

    It’s insane to me what Americans call “free speech”. I live in Brazil and it’s not so great, but at least racism here is a crime, if you offend someone for their skin color they can call the police on you.
    To carry a Nazi flag in any way that suggest you’re supporting and promoting it its also something you can be prosecuted for.

  30. snowflake says:

    He stresses me out so bad. Please don’t let him serve his full term.. I am beginning to think he can literally do anything and still be in office.

  31. B n A fn says:

    When a person show you who they are believe them. 45 showed us his drawers and there are no mistaken he’s a Nazi, kkk and white supremacists. Enough is enough. Btw, where is Mitch and Ryan? If they don’t call out 45 by name they are with him.

    • LittlestRoman says:

      McConnell and Ryan will happily sell *anyone* downriver to satisfy the corporate donors who line their pockets. The craven greed is mind-boggling.

    • Christin says:

      One of them (MMc) has a spouse who literally stood by during that rant yesterday. One of the reporters last night said that she (his wife) said she stands by “both” her men. Greed and power apparently override everything else.

    • Mermaid says:

      @bna fan
      I think McConnell and Ryan have to be in on the Russian payroll thing too. Otherwise they would move on impeachment and trying to shore up support among members in the house and then later the Senate. Why isn’t Pence working on the 25th Amendment? He totally wants to be President. And while I loathe all Pence’s beliefs about women and gay people, I don’t think he would start fights with other world leaders. As others have pointed out, the damage being done is deep and I worry we are getting to the verge of civil war.

  32. What I don’t understand is that if the majority of the country want him gone, know that he’s dangerously unfit for the job, then why there haven’t been massive protests after his pro nazi comments?
    I mean sure, calling your congressman is effective and of course there have been protests but at local stage.

    Why don’t take the examples of South Korea or Romania? in those countries massive pacific protests made a corrupt prime minister resigned and stopped pro corruption reformsms, respectively.

    Btw apparently Pence is going to be here, Chile, today. If he thinks we are going to support a US military “intervention” in Venezuela, he’s insane. Good luck trying to convince of that to our female president, who was tortured and exiled by a dictatorship backed by the US.

    • Kitten says:

      There ARE massive protests planned.

      Look, people have jobs and if you live in an urban environment, there are logistics to take into consideration when planning a large protest i.e. commuter traffic, availability of parking/transport, etc. People aren’t just going to take to the streets with pitchforks–these events require permits and organization, they often include pre-protest workshops that help to educate people on how to protect themselves again violence and how to protest peacefully. We are not in the ’60s and ’70s when employers would let their employees leave work to join a protest against Vietnam, you know? We live in a day and age where people drive cars into crowds of protesters or come carrying weapons.

      There is a protest this weekend here in Boston. We have already had several gatherings/rallies at the state house the past couple days in light of his callous statements regarding Heather Heyer and his disgusting coddling of his racist base. I have already been to four protests in my city since Trump was elected.

      So yes people are protesting but until the people in power (the GOP) stop protecting this asshole or until Mueller’s investigation comes to the conclusion we all hope that it does, we are stuck with this trashbag.

    • Tiffany :) says:

      There are something like 9 Nazi rallies this weekend, and counter protests.

      In Los Angeles (Venice), they will be protesting Google because of the firing of the engineer re: his memo on women. I’d like to go and represent…but that is a very congested area that is blocked in by the ocean. If things went bad, I’d feel trapped. The Nazis WANT things to get violent. On the Vice documentary, they stated their goal is to antagonize so that they can get violent. They were HAPPY someone died last weekend (they actually said this on camera). Let’s not forget this isn’t the first person to be killed this year by white supremacists. We’ve had 2 people murdered in Washington on the train, 1 person stabbed at the University of Maryland in May because he wouldn’t “step left”, and 1 person stabbed to death in NYC because a Nazi just wanted to kill a black person.

      I think protests are a great way to stand up and represent, but things are getting very dangerous now. Proceed with caution.

      Honestly, I think I’d feel safer if my state passed legislation (like Illinois) that allows the police to treat white supremacists groups like terrorist organizations, because that is what they are.

      • Tiffany :) says:

        The “March on Google” events have been cancelled! They said that they are cancelling because of threats from [the name Trump made up for groups that oppose him, which I refuse to spread].

        I’m so glad my city won’t be their audience this weekend.

  33. Jerusha says:

    I hate this man with every fiber of my being. I have very evil thoughts and wishes I can’t state in print. Otherwise, I will defer commenting to all the other compassionate, intelligent, wonderful posters here.

  34. Tyrant Destroyed says:

    I got teary eyed when I saw the photo of the lady with the message. Is incredibly sad to see what is becoming of the USA in the past months…

  35. Sam the pink says:

    He insists on drawing some kind of equivalence between the sides, which I find sickening.

    Do I believe there is a regressive left? Yes, I do. And we should push back against them when they pull dumb stuff. But even the most regressive leftist does not advocate killing people. The “alt-right” is perfectly fine with killing or maiming of people like me (for being a “race traitor”) my husband for being “part Arab” and my kids for being mixed race. These people threaten our wellbeing in a way I cannot think of a leftist doing. To even suggest moral equivalence between them is disgusting. But I doubt anybody close to the president can possibly appreciate that, since they stand to lose nothing if these people gain traction (even the president seems quitwe willing to throw his Jewish grandkids to the wolves on this on).

    • lightpurple says:

      The people he is calling “alt-left” aren’t even leftists or liberals. They are anarchists and not the same thing at all.

      • Sam the pink says:

        They are certainly liberal anarchists. Anarchism runs the gamut across the political spectrum. The ones doing this espouse a leftist form of anarchism (they’re not anarcho-capitalists, for example). I have no issue referring to them as leftists. I have an issue making them morally equivalent to nazis.

  36. seesittellsit says:

    I wonder if one of those “fine people” on the other side is one I saw interviewed this morning who sneered at Trump himself for “giving his daughter to a Jew”?

  37. lightpurple says:

    Can we use the actual names for groups? Alt-right is a label they put on themselves but they revealed themselves as who they truly are when they carried swastikas through the streets while chanting “blood and soil.” They are Nazis; they should be called Nazis. Alt-left is a term they put on another group, a group that is actually not liberal and not left but a group of anarchists. They should be called what they truly are: “anarchists.”

  38. BJ says:

    I don’t have the strength to watch but I am curious what the people at Fox News said about his comments yesterday.I read he probably got that term “Alt Left” from Sean Hannity.

    • Tiffany :) says:

      One of the really pro-Trump pundits named Kat Timpf who’s libertarian said she was fighting back tears yesterday. She said something like “I’m wearing too much make-up to cry right now”, but she wanted to. I was really surprised.

      She said she was still wondering if this was real life. That she couldn’t believe it just happened. “It shouldn’t be some kind of bold statement to say ‘yes, a gathering full of white supremacist Nazis doesn’t have good people in it,’”

  39. Big D says:

    Trump becoming president says more about America (the election “system”, Americans) than it does about Trump. The so-called “system ” allows a candidate with 3 mill votes less than his opponent to still be called the winner. Some “system”.
    We all knew what he stood for but Americans and the “system” put him in power nonetheless. He is just being what he has always been.
    And we are all running around acting surprised? Really?

  40. Jerusha says:

    I said I wouldn’t comment again on this thread, but please watch John Lewis’ Note to Self. It’ll make you cry. Hope the link works right.

  41. Where’s his Jewish daughter Ivanka during all this? I guess she’s too embarrassed to say anything at this point, not that I blame her. He is an embarrassment and is seriously stressing me out to the point of where it affects my ability to work. I’m terrified either a civil war or nuclear world war will break out any day now and I’m literally all alone. All my friends have moved away, my husband is after 2 years still in his home country still patiently waiting for his visa to legally come here, and my parents live far away too. Perhaps I’m being paranoid, or I sense something coming and it terrifies me.

    • SoulSPA says:

      @Chicken N Pastry, be strong! I am sending happy and safe vibes to you. I literally understand how you feel despite some different circumstances I’ve been into. Most likely the biggest issue is an emotional unsafe environment that affects many of us. I do have the hope that things will change for the better. One thing I’ve learned is to never loose hope and lots and lots of selfcare. Millions of happy safe vibes to you!

  42. DLebel says:

    2/3 of white men voted for this vile, disgusting excuse of a man, along with 53 per cent of white women. Truly shameful, AND scary.

  43. Elizabeth says:

    This comedian does a teriffic job of summing up the current situation. Look out for a brilliant analogy that involves testicles.

  44. tw says:

    It has always bothered me when people use “excuse me” and mean “shut up” or “move”. He is an ignorant, no class, racist, violence-inciting POS.

    • robyn says:

      Me too. For once I wish someone would shout back NO, I WON’T EXCUSE you … answer the question!!!!!

  45. belindaya says:

    The man is KKKrazy!!!

  46. Annie G says:

    He is not my President. He is not presidential. He is immoral. He is a disgrace to our country. He is not fit to represent the office.

  47. Lady Cali says:

    wow i just want to throw up. this orange turd bucket gives me the worst anxiety EVER!!! hes not competent to be a president, he seriously can not articulate his words. my two year okd nephew can talk better than he does!!! i keep waiting for his impeachment. it needs happen and it needs to happen NOW.

  48. Lyla says:

    Back in the day Ivanka said trump kept Hitler’s speeches by his bedside. His dad was arrested at a KKK rally. He didn’t let black people rent apartments in his building. And then there’s the whole central park 5 thing. So yeah, he’s not a sympathizer…he’s plainly a racist Nazi.

    I do wonder what he thought when his son married a Jewish woman and when precious complicit Barbie married Jared. What about his Jewish grandkids?

    • adastraperaspera says:

      Yep. I think the Kushner connection is fine with him because it’s a marriage between mob families. I don’t think it’s any amazing true love between Jared & Ivanka. It seems like everything is just a scam or a con with this bunch.

  49. crazydaisy says:

    Is racism a religion? We have freedom of religion here, but last time I checked: No, racism is not a religion. Okay then, are racists entitled to freedom of speech, and the right to peacefully assemble? In other words, do they have a Constitutional right to march in public and spew their disgusting poison? Unfortunately, yes they do.

    Personally, I have a problem with this. But is morality in the eye of the beholder? I mean, Right and Wrong… is it that complicated? Evidently, it is. Once you ban one thing, even if it seems clearly, blatantly evil, you’re in slippery slopesville. White Supremacists don’t think themselves evil.

    UGH. This whole situation is so disturbing. Sad, sad, scary, sad.

    • LittlestRoman says:

      Philosophical arguments are all well and good, but at some point, each of us must decide what behaviors we will allow in our communities. Actual human beings are suffering and dying every day on the alter of white supremacy. For what it’s worth, I (a white woman) surround myself with the voices of people of color (news, blogs, etc.) so that I am constantly reminded that this is not an intellectual exercise.

    • Aang says:

      I agree crazydaisy. Who decides what speech is worthy of protection? In my view it’s the courts and the constitution. Not elected officials or mobs. I hate the supremacists but they way I understand the law is that they have a right to assemble. So do their critics. As long as they are both peaceful. I won’t trade my right to speak and assemble so I don’t have to hear anything I find objectionable or even evil and scary.

  50. Mabs A'Mabbin says:

    I have lost it. I do need medication. The only thing that’s remotely positive, when thinking politically, is coming here and reading that I’m not alone. If someone near me starts speaking current events I have to gfo.

    • adastraperaspera says:

      It’s a terrible time. Hang in there! I told my partner this morning (who was upset at the latest news) to just “tie a knot in the rope and hang onto the end of it.” We will get through this together. I also appreciate all the posters here who share their perspectives every day. Keeps me sane!

  51. robyn says:

    The Bushes issued a generic statement about equal rights. Fine words, all well and good, but why are not more Republicans calling out Donald Trump by name as the one who so recently gave the White Supremacists a great big lift. There’s lots of evil in the Republican Party as well as in the rest of America. As Trump once said, if you don’t say it’s name, you can’t get rid of it. Say Donald Trump’s name!!! Donald Trump is hurting America deeply.

  52. Joannie says:

    Trump doesnt seem to realize his role. He’s there to represent the people but also work for the people. Not be a “Dick Tator”. He needs to show a little humility instead of outrageous arrogance. He’s short term. He’s going to get himself impeached. At the same time people need to ask themselves how the hell did this buffoon become our president? He is only the symptom of a much greater issue going on in the US.

  53. HK9 says:

    My fear is Trump will start a civil war (and a whole bunch of others) and leave us to clean up the mess. He clearly doesn’t know what he’s unleashed upon the country. He’s irresponsible and delusional. He needs to be removed now.

  54. nicole says:

    He is one bad egg, and I hope he gets whats coming to him, because he deserves it, he is a violent horrible excuse for a human being, and should of never got anywhere near the position he holds now, he is a disgrace, and I honestly think there is something mentally wrong with him.

  55. dawnchild says:

    Guys…I’m on a minor deadline, so forgive me if what I’m about to say is already posted upthread (will catch up later).

    As beyond unbelievable as all this seems…I can’t help but feel good about so much about what I’m reading and hearing from all sides. It’s NOT ENOUGH to remove Trump alone…it’s like removing the head of a weed, whose roots reach far down in darkness. It has to be pulled up slowly, and all the clinging roots come up with it into light. We have to ROOT out evil and hatred, not just cut it at the head. All the neo-Nazis, racists, Mnuchins, Prices, Bannons, Millers, McConnells…all of them.

    We can’t let their hate get in us and crowd out positivity and love and caring. That would be their victory, not ours. So I suggest not wasting our precious life hating this banal evil, but do everything to make a positive difference. After all, the bar is set pretty low, so there’s lots of good stuff to do 🙂

    I think this is a cancer….like I said the day after the election. Trump is the chemo…nobody loves it, it’s weakening and horrible, we lose weight, hair and good days, but hopefully emerge better spiritually and physically at the end. It would be nice to not have cancer at all…but it’s there. You all know it. Well, this is a time of reckoning with the ugliness in ourselves and our nations. Now is the time to fight…because we can see the faces of our enemies out in the light at last.

    Nobody said fighting was easy, but I’m glad to fight alongside you. Needless to say, I don’t mean with guns either!

  56. Pabena6 says:

    If you didn’t watch Rachel Maddow’s open last night, you need to find it asap. He DID NOT go off script. HE HAD NOTES. My question is who wrote them or planted the George Washington/Thomas Jefferson diversions in his fevered brain, Bannon or Miller? My money’s on Miller.

    • me46 says:

      Gorka. He’s a straight up Nazi.

    • Christin says:

      Did you see how large the font was in his script? Must have been 24 to 30 point, and very dark/bold. Too vain to wear eyeglasses, no doubt.

    • why? says:

      Miller. In an attempt to justify his legal immigration ban, Miller went after the Statue of Liberty.

      Miller had a hand in all 3 speeches: Saturday’s “many sides, many sides” speech, Monday’s speech in which the King of Lies and Fake News continued to attack counter-protesters and admitted that he had no remorse for what he said on Saturday(he flat out said, “as I said on Saturday…” in the context of the speech and then went to twitter after the speech to say that he was just adding additional things to what he said on Saturday), and then again yesterday during the planned meltdown.

      This isn’t the first time that Miller has written a speech for The King of Lies and Fake News. He wrote the speech that The King of Lies and Fake News have before Congress and in Poland. I wouldn’t be surprised if Miller, wrote the speech that The King of Lies and Fake News gave before the Boy Scouts.

    • Tiffany :) says:

      I think it is Miller, too, but I think Gorka is a total and complete supremacist. I just think he is consulted more on “international” issues, and not domestic.

      Both Miller and Gorka are horrible people and should have nothing to do with our government, much less the President’s administration.

  57. Pabena6 says:

    Oh, and Daddy Fred marched w/ the Klan. Orange Foolius (don’t know who coined that, but hat tip to you) denies it, but he’s on the hand-written register of the event.

  58. jwoolman says:

    This just might be Trump’s Waterloo. I know we keep saying that with every outrageous thing he does or says, but there is an unusual persistence to the reaction at the moment. The neonazi white supremacists are helping that along by thinking they have a green light from the White House. To be more precise, they know they have a green light from the White House. Trump just keeps making it worse every time he opens his mouth or tweets, he just can’t help himself. He seems to have finally hit a bipartisan nerve but doesn’t seem to realize it. He’s too focused on defending himself and his supporters. This is how he is and always will be.

    The Confederate symbols and statues are a magnet for hate groups now, so they really need to go into private collections and museums for a few centuries… People seem to realize this and are quietly removing them from public areas. I am personally not a fan of other non-Confederate heroes either, but we can’t ignore the current context. The nazis aren’t gathering at the Lincoln Memorial.

  59. me46 says:

    I’m not defending John Kelly but people better hope that Kelly,Mattis,and McMaster don’t resign. They are the only ones keeping trump from using Nuclear Weapons. If they all leave, we are in deep s**t. I don’t trust trump one bit when it comes to NK.

  60. themummy says:

    Watching Kelly during this insane press conference…ugh. He looks just beaten.

  61. Heidi says:

    The next time poor Angela Merkel has to deal with President Tiny Wizard, she has the perfect gift for him: a Nazi uniform. Not some cheap fake, noooo, an ORIGINAL! Hermann Goering’s attire should fit like a glove.

  62. why? says:

    The King of Lies and Fake News didn’t go off script yesterday. That meltdown was completely and totally planned. We saw a precursor of this when Stephen Miller went before the WH press and attacked the Statue of Liberty and her poem. Based on the language of the King of Lies and Fake News’ speech, it sounds like The King of Lies and Fake News and Stephen Miller planned this. Rachel M and Lawrence brought the receipts last night. Rachel M showed a photo of him putting/removing a paper with notes about Charlottesville in his jacket. Lawrence showed even more of the clips where he says something like, “I have it, I have it… “and then he pulls the paper from his jacket and starts reading what Stephen Miller wrote on Saturday, minus the “many sides, many sides” lines. If this press release was supposed to be solely about infrastructure and the King of Lies and Fake News went rogue, why then would he walk up to that podium with the Charlottesville notes in his pocket? That press release was never supposed to be about infrastructure, it was about The King of Lies and Fake News fighting back. He to that press released with responses. So I beg the press, please stop falling into the trap of thinking that these outbursts are unplanned or that he is going off the script. Remember his speech writers are Stephen Miller and Jared.

    I don’t understand why there is this massive movement to make John Kelly appear as the adult in the WH when there is so much evidence to the contrary. John Kelly loves it when The King of Lies and Fakes News goes off on the press. He even encouraged him by telling him to use the saber on the press. John Kelly doesn’t looked worried. He looks like he is trying to prevent himself from laughing because he is loving what was going on.

    To save face because The King of Lies and Fake News couldn’t stop CEOs were resigning from the WH business council, he went to twitter to announce that he was disbanding 2 of the councils. The headlines are funny, it goes something like “Trump dissolves 2 advisory councils that have already disbanded”. 45 is a joke.

    As far as NK, did The King of Lies and Fake News use the same method that he used when he talked to Mexico’s president? It would be interesting if the King of Lies and Fake News had placed a call to NK begging KJU to stop saying he was going to bomb Guam because it’s making him look bad!

    • why? says:

      I also want to point how the WH uses Hallee Jackson, Kristen W, and Kelly O to spin the narrative in their favor. When the chemical bomb was used on children in Syria, they sent out these 3 to spin that The King of Lies and Fake News as a changed man because the photos of the children changed him. To convince us that the King of Lies and Fake News wasn’t having a meltdown, they sent out Kristen W to say that The King of Lies and Fake News wasn’t showing any signs of anxiety and was being defiant even though he was threatening people. They have used Kelly O to do the same. After the courts shot down his first Muslim Ban, she went on tv and said that The King of Lies and Fake News was calm and didn’t seem stressed. To convince everyone that The King of Lies and Fake News went rogue, they sent out Haillee Jackson. Please be aware of how the WH uses these 3. Notice in the WH briefings they are always allowed to ask whatever questions they want and Sarah, Spicer, and The King of Lies and Fake News never yells at them.

  63. why? says:

    How much is enough for the GOP? David Jolly made some good points last night. He said it’s not good enough for the GOP to just comment on what he said about Charlottesville, they need to denounce The King of Lies and Fake News and put their words into actions. It’s time for them to impeach The King of Lies and Fake News. He is so confident that the GOP and the WH press reporters won’t hold him accountable for his actions that for the 3rd day he made horrible comments about Charlottesville. How did the WH try to fix it? By having an “anonymous source” leak that The King of Lies and Fake News went rogue. And the press bought it. That’s the scary part. It just seems that The King of Lies and Fake News is testing the GOP and press to see just how far they will let him go.

    If the CEOs of the WH councils are brave enough to walk out on The King of Lies and Fake News because of his bad behavior, what’s stopping the GOP and WH press reporters?

    Why are the press surprised by the fact that The King of Lies and Fake News said that he has no regrets. He made that very clear on Monday when he delivered the speech that the press praised as presidential. It amazes what little the press sees when it’s right in front of their face.

  64. why? says:

    For the 2nd time, Pence has stated that he supports everything that The King of Lies and Fake News said about Charlottesville. The press and GOP also need to hold Pence accountable because he too is gladly bragging about how he supports WS.

  65. K says:

    I know I keep saying this, but how? How in all that is sane, reasonable or even possible have we ended up with this classless, stupid, amoral, ruthless, crass, vulgar, dishonest, violent, greedy, ignorant and utterly worthless man as President of the United States? How?

  66. why? says:

    The top FBI investigator who Mueller hired has quit. Is this a sign that Mueller is becoming complicit and catering to The King of Lies and Fake News? Or does this indicate that the King of Lies and Fake News is succeeding in bullying and intimidating the people who Mueller hired?

  67. MAC says:

    I came by tonight to read all the comments. I am actually throwing up from all of this recent insanity.
    I am on medication because I was unable to stop vomiting.
    I am disabled & I went out to vote. (That’s my little bit of hope to you lovely people).
    Also I am interested in knowing how he won, all but 3 of the Republicans I know voted for Hillary & a couple lived in blue states didn’t vote. Sorry I am rambling. A big hug to everyone. Everyone I know who voted for that thing I no longer talk to them and won’t anymore.
    I had stopped following his insanity and than walked right into it on Saturday. Now on medicine to stop vomiting and allow me to sleep. I need to stop trying to be up to date and informed his followers are not rational. Hugs to you all

    • magnoliarose says:

      Hugs to you too.
      Don’t worry about rambling we are all feeling uneasy. Take care of yourself even though it is stressful.