Ashton Kutcher evokes Sharon Stone: uses ‘karma’ to refer to David Carradine’s death

David Carradine
There are people who believe there are no accidents and it’s all due to negativity & karma
A few weeks ago I listened to the entire book on tape of “The Secret,” that Oprah-lauded book that tells us that life is a cosmic catalog and all we have to do is put in our order. It sounded like all of the other self help books I’ve read but with one difference: it took the “you are the master of your own destiny” stuff way too far. There were parts of it that really helped me, and there were parts that I found incredibly offensive. Author Rhoda Byrne says that there are no accidents and even mass tragedies occur because the victims are all resonating on a negative level. She says this in the book on tape like she’s imparting this great, sad wisdom but I found it incredibly cruel and haughty. She also claims that in order to get thin, you have to avoid even looking at overweight people. I wish I was making this up. (I was talking with JayBird about the book and she pointed me to this critical article on Salon that mirrored a lot of my thoughts.)

Sharon Stone called last year’s Chinese earthquake “karma”
When I heard Byrne’s claim that mass tragedies happen because the victims somehow deserve it (she didn’t say this exactly but it’s not a huge logical leap) I immediately thought of the terrible earthquakes in China last year that claimed nearly 70,000 lives. Sharon Stone evoked hatred around the world by suggesting that the earthquakes were somehow “karma” for the Chinese government’s treatment of Tibet. Stone said at the time “I’m, you know, not happy about the way the Chinese are treating the Tibetans… And then all this earthquake and all this stuff happened, and I thought, is that karma? When you’re not nice that the bad things happen to you?”

Except Sharon was referring to little kids, moms, dads, sons, aunts, and people who had nothing to do with their government’s oppression. That’s like dismissing it casually if an entire city in the US was wiped out and saying it was karma for whatever our country has done.

I believe that there are accidents in life, and that of course people get sick, die and have problems without causing them indirectly or directly. It’s not all random, but it’s not all our fault, either. We have control of how we deal with life and what outlook we take. We can prevent some things, but not everything. It can make people feel better to rationalize that someone who died or got sick brought it on themselves, because that would mean they’re not susceptible to the same kind of fate. There’s a haughty kind of dismissal to that, and many of those same people who think other people have problems because they’re defective are quick to point to outside factors when faced with their own crisis.

Ashton Kutchter twittered that David Carradine’s death was “crazy karma”
So that lengthy introduction is all about the fact that Ashton Kutcher brought up the “K” word when referring to David Carradine’s death. He twittered that it was “crazy karma”:

What an awful and confusing way to go. There is some crazy karma in that.
about 4 hours ago from Tweetie

Remind me to never asphyxiate myself while masterbating [sic] in bangkok. It just confused [sic] people.
about 4 hours ago from Tweetie

[From Ashton Kutcher’s twitter via Radar Online]

To be fair to Ashton, he quickly realized he said something super stupid, and tweeted that he wouldn’t delete the evidence and would have to face the consequences “sometimes you have to take licks 4 doing stupid stuff. Deleteing wouldn’t make it go away it would just hide it.”

I have mixed feelings about this. This is different than an accident because it was one guy who is presumed to have been engaging in a very risky practice that resulted in his death. If that is the case, and we do not know for sure if it is, it’s not really karma and more like statistical probability. You have someone who does something repeatedly that has a much higher risk of death than a typical habit and then they die. How is that karma and not just luck of the draw though? If you play Russian roulette and die it’s because you were playing Russian roulette, not because you were necessarily a bad person.

A director who worked with Carradine on one of his last films said that he told him that “in moments of intense sexual activities one could get a glimpse of God and the aftermath.” This suggests that he may have been involved in auto-erotic asphyxiation at the time. His ex-wife also cited his “deviant sexual behavior which was potentially deadly” during their divorce proceedings in 2003.

Was someone else in the room when Carradine died?
On the other hand, Carradine had his hands tied when he died. Many have pointed out that he may have done it to himself, and it’s supposedly common among people who are into auto-erotic asphyxiation to tie themselves up to heighten the thrill. He was also in Thailand, which is known for its prostitution, and there’s speculation that someone left the scene after he died when the stunt went too far. His family wants to get the FBI involved in the investigation, and Carradine’s lawyer has suggested that he may have been murdered by a secret martial arts society after delving too deeply into their affairs. I’m leaning toward the accidental death theory, but you can’t blame his family for wanting a thorough investigation.

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  1. middle-aged-diva says:

    The most intelligent discussion of this I’ve seen.

  2. Hieronymus Grexx says:

    Ashton, if it wasn’t for Demi, you’d be back to bl*wing guys behind Denny’s for crack money.

  3. Vixenella says:

    It is sad,no matter what theories are behind it. How humiliating for his family,and to him,really. I am sure if he was into this lifestyle,and according to reports 1 of his ex wives said he was,then I am sure he knew the risks.

  4. Vixenella says:

    Oh,and I agree with you,Hier. He’s only still talked about because of his wife. I never have liked him.

  5. kiki says:

    sad to see that people are insensitive to the Carradine family so soon after his passing.

    it would be nice if people could just be kind in light of the tremendous hurt the family must be experiencing at the moment.

    what’s with the young people today? they don’t seem to have any kindness or love. is it just me?

  6. Yae says:

    Wars are waged on innocent people with that karma argument. It’s an excuse for those with money & power to be tyrantical, blaming the oppressed……for being oppressed. Karma is also used as an excuse to be selfishly rich…..some groups even believing that being rich means “God is shining on you”. You are above everyone else, simply because you are rich.
    The nutty wealthy make up all sorts of so-called spiritual ideas to scream their entitlement, and make the “little” people worship them. All I have to say is… remember the Dark Ages & the Burning Times.

  7. DD says:

    In response to Sharon Stone’s earthquake in China being karma because of the way they treat Tibetans. Well if that’s the theory than Tibetan’s are receiving their own karma of ill treatment from China for some reason too. People love to use the word karma a little too much these days.

  8. Yoshi.6 says:

    Everyone has their opinion. Why do people get their chuddies in a twist whenever anyone has an opinion that differs from the norm? That comment was not that bad! Ugh, people need to chill.

  9. Dua says:

    Karma gave ASSton a middle aged wife and three ugly step children. He thought that would give his punk ass some creditability, but it didn’t. It just makes him look like a little boy with mommy issues.

  10. santacruz says:

    Ashton the Buffoon!

  11. Feebee says:

    Once again Ashton’s mouth (or thumbs) have engaged before whatever he uses for a brain.

  12. mE says:

    Yeah, sure. Karma. That totally explains why children get and die from cancer and bad things happen to good people./sarc

    What an asshole.

  13. Annie says:

    Hate the Karma “argument”. It’s a crock of sh*t and pisses me off to no end.

    Because yes, people deserve to get cancer or die in a car accident or what-have-you.

    Things happen, it’s not necessarily the fault of anyone.

  14. Judy says:

    WHat David did behind closed doors is no ones business but his. The only person he harmed was himself and his ex wife is a total BTCH for coming out with that anyting to get your last hateful BS in???
    His family should have just been quiet about it, denied it was him in the pictures and moved on. No one killed David, he screwed up and died.

  15. gg says:

    Except that it was necessary for his other ex-wife to cite it in her divorce petition. So it came out 6 years ago.

    Tibetan Buddhist teachings on disaster and death are that we should accept that they are a necessary part of life so we can learn.

    Christian teachings say we should trust God that He would not put anything before us that we cannot handle, and that they are a necessary part of life.

    But claiming that people are 100% responsible for absolutely everything that happens, is destructive.

  16. lola lola says:

    But it’s the unexpected Tweets that make celebs more human and interesting. Thoughts not filtered through 10,000 PR hacks. I don’t think there is anything wrong with that. Even if it offends people. That’s life.

  17. Maybe Ashton didn’t originally mean it to come across as harsh as it sounds.

    I mean, it is pretty great karma to die doing what you love . . . mid-orgasm.

    Just sayin. We should all be so lucky.

  18. Mocksure says:

    the last thing the world needs is more masturbation related guilt trips

  19. Moogles says:

    Karma for his racist ass career of taking roles away from Asians, maybe.

  20. Magsy says:

    That Ashton is such a dumb ass. You think he’d act more grownup being married to an older woman. He makes no sense.

  21. sabine says:

    The “secret” is bullshit and i am only pissed because i didn’t think of it first.