Zack Snyder wants the kids to know that Batman & Superman are murderers

Batman creator Bob Kane posthumously receive the star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame

For several years, Zack Snyder was in charge of Warner Bros’ most valuable property, the DC Comics Universe. Warner Bros had wild success with Christopher Nolan’s dark, morose, angsty take on Batman, but after The Dark Knight Rises, Nolan tapped out of the franchise and WB handed it to Snyder. I understood the general play from the studio – make the DCU more fun and cartoony, and less like these dark and violent slogs. The problem was that Snyder got in over his head very quickly and everything he touched turned to sh-t. Some of those movies made money, for sure, but none of them were good films. Snyder is responsible for overseeing several of the DCU’s most disastrous outings, like Batman Vs. Superman and Justice League (not to mention the money pit that was Suicide Squad). Anyway, Snyder was doing a Q&A session recently and he yelled at some fanboys about the violent, murderous tone he gave to Batman and Superman:

Zack Snyder would like everyone to make their peace with the fact that the DCEU’s Batman has killed people, and nothing short of a universe-altering turn of events is going change that. While answering audience questions about Watchmen during a recent event (that was filmed and posted to Reddit), Snyder described how fans still come up to him with gripes about the dark tone of his DC superhero movies, and the fact that both Batman and Superman have killed people. While Snyder understands where people’s objections come from, he added that he really wishes everyone would “wake the f–k up” and move on already:

“Once you’ve lost your virginity to this f–king movie and then you come and say to me something about like ‘my superhero wouldn’t do that.’ I’m like ‘Are you serious?’ I’m like down the f–king road on that… It’s a cool point of view to be like ‘my heroes are still innocent. My heroes didn’t f–king lie to America. My heroes didn’t embezzle money from their corporations. My heroes didn’t commit any atrocities.’ That’s cool. But you’re living in a f–king dream world.”

[From io9]

Oh, where to start. I’ve read some comments elsewhere from people who know the history of the Batman and Superman comics, and how the idea of Batman or Superman murdering people was dealt with within the comic universe, and it was obviously dealt with different ways in different eras. I think there’s a difference between a superhero killing “bad guys” in the name of protecting people versus “Batman/Superman just goes out with murderous intent all day, bruh.” I also think it’s insulting for Snyder to cuss out fans and tell them to “wake the f–k up” because the fans want to actually engage in a legal/moral/ethical conversation about justice and murder and assault. Not to mention… this is all a fantasy comic world, so yelling at people for living in a dream world is… not on brand.

TL; DR version: Snyder was always garbage and he never should have been in charge of the DCU.

Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)

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  1. Tiffany says:

    I get what he is saying but I was still shocked when Superman killed Zod in Man of Steel. There was a hush over the audience when it happened.

    • VintageS says:

      Superman would NEVER have killed Zod. He would have imprisoned him somewhere in the galaxy where he would, of course, subsequently get out to fight the bad fight all over again.

      ZS murdered the spirit of Superman.

      OK, geek rant over for now!

  2. Veronica S. says:

    Which is exactly why these films are a disaster, IMO. The fundamental idea of a superhero myth is the transcendent aspect of the heroic figure. He/she supersedes our own limited capabilities for moral justice. It’s a figure that’s meant to stand as a thread between God/gods and human life. That myth persists for a reason. I’m not certain why filmmakers think that needs to be “subverted” (I use that term loosely, what they’re doing isn’t that clever) and made grimdark. What are you supposed to cheer for if your heroes are flawed to the point of being borderline villains? We want flawed heroes, but we want them to triumph over that flaws to do great things. That’s the entire point of the hero myth! What the hell are you doing selling me one product and giving me another? You think your audiences are so stupid they can’t see fraudulent storytelling?

  3. Nev says:

    oh geez.

  4. Mia4s says:

    Sigh…Zack get some therapy. And if you’re already in therapy? Go more often. Geez.

    Say what you will about Nolan’s “dark” take, his movies were hopeful. The heros were heroes who wanted to fix things and believed they could. They weren’t morose and tortured by the mere idea of helping. The movies had a “realistic” setting, but at their core they were pulp adventures.

    • Lucy says:

      He probably is. He lost his daughter to suicide a couple years ago. Agreed on everything regarding Nolan. Those are excellent movies.

  5. mazzie says:

    Veronica S. nails it. (Great comment!) Also, the audience isn’t dumb. They know what they’re watching/reading and know that Batman and Superman’s actions do result in injury and death. We’re buying into the myth and hope that they supersede it.

    It’s like having Gotham be destroyed in the earthquake and not expecting deaths. Snyder needs to sit down.

  6. Xi Tang says:

    I’m tired of people who pretend that this guy is some visionary. He completely ruined batman in the monstrosity that is bvs.
    He doesn’t understand these characters at all. I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt but these comments prove that. He took away the very essence of batman and superman. Only to look edgy.
    Apparently the only way to make serious and dark movies is to make everyone a murderer.

  7. megs283 says:

    I am a casual viewer of superhero movies – I don’t read the comics or anything. But I was really disturbed by the large cities that are just DESTROYED in that crop of movies.

    Don’t get me started on Avengers: Infinity War. I felt like I needed therapy at the end.

  8. Gobo says:

    He does realise he tells stories for a living, right? Not actual real life, but fictional, (allegedly) entertaining stories. If he’s that bothered by the realities of the word he should take a look at making documentaries.

  9. holly hobby says:

    He can just shut up and sit down. I watched the first three Superman movies with Christopher Reeves, Michael Keaton Batman and Nolan’s Batman and they were all good. When I watched Snyder’s first one I couldn’t even finish it. It was loud, mopey and didn’t even make sense. Couldn’t finish Batman v Superman. Couldn’t finish Justice League. So glad he had his depressing hands off Wonder Woman. That was the only movie I liked.

    Snyder’s a one trick pony and only peddles gloom and doom.

    • Darla says:

      For me, Justice League was worth watching solely for Ezra and Momoa scenes. But yeah, Snyder sucks.

  10. Lala11_7 says:

    I had no problem with Zack’s dark take on Superman and Batman…none at all…had been waiting on that take all of my life…because…well…Gods kill…and I don’t have a problem with a God that kills to protect humanity…

    I have a problem with Zack’s direction…Zack’s editing….Zack’s writing…

    Oh…and of course…with Zack himself….

    • Incredulous says:

      Right there with you (Mostly). Ah hell, I’ll effort post a bit:

      Snyder is a very subversive director and a very, very visually oriented one. I’d rate Sucker Punch as his best movie with Man of Steel a close second and I don’t actually like Man of steel but it is a fantastic movie.

      Where he gets the most stick, these days, is his DC view, particularly Superman and Batman. He took a long measured look at both and pointed out there’s no way in hell Batman’s never killed anyone and Superman killed Zod because his morals got straight up tested and in the moment Superman* saved people rather than his morals.

      (*Not actually Superman, Clark Kent learning who he could be, he’s not Superman yet, a point the entire movie makes from the start. That said, it is the moment when Superman starts to be)

      Snyder challenges the basic archetype myth by pointing out they can’t exist in real life because reality and we won’t let them. Then many, many people get angry and say “Let us have our fantasy” and Zack responds “Sure you can have your fantasy, I’m just pointing out it is fundamentally childish” and that always seems to me to be the bit that really angers people. All his movies say, to a greater or lesser extent, achievement costs, be prepared for that as much as you can and it may turn out to be not worth it. Even his owl movie for kids straight up says it – – and that’s the guy Warners hired to make Punch Fight Movies with Capes On, what did people expect, really?

  11. Steff says:

    Why was this guy ever given such a huge role in creating the DC universe in the first place? 300 was overrated as hell, Watchmen was a huge disappointment, and his other films sucked. Some of DC’s projects outside of Snyder were ok but sticking to his aesthetic was a mistake. Dark lighting and slow motion action scenes are not my taste and frankly drag the product down by making it “Snyder-esqe”.

    I partly blame Christopher Nolan setting the “dark tone” that Snyder thought he could copy, but the difference is that Nolan is a great filmmaker and story teller and Snyder is not.

  12. BANANIE says:

    Only tangentially related, but I think it’s so silly when they try to make actors look the exact same height. Affleck’s ears are high, yes, but they’re looking into each other’s eyes and Affleck is actually three inches taller than Cavill.

  13. Darla says:

    For my money, Captain America; Civil War did this topic so well. The complexities made it so great.

    This guy sounds feebleminded.

  14. VintageS says:

    I have this image of the Producers of the DC movies sitting around moping and trying to figure out where they went wrong after ever DC movie tromps their rears in ticket sales.

    It’s called levity. And wit.