I am exactly that nerd who loves to read theories about Game of Thrones. The fan theories are often amazing, and backed up with evidence and logic. Some fan theories come true, like R + L = J, which is that Jon Snow is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark. Well, now that we’re in the final season of GoT, people are theorizing that the show will end with at least one major f–king twist. But will the twist be THIS big? One fan theory is that Daenerys Targaryen will end up the “Night Queen,” as in she’ll either choose to go to the other side and become the Night King’s special lady, or she’ll die and the Night King will do his thing on her and make her an ice zombie.
A wild Game of Thrones fan theory predicts Daenerys Targaryen may turn into the Night Queen, and it might not be that farfetched. The theory was first discussed by marisaann26 on Reddit at the start of April. Daenerys could lose the Iron Throne but end up with a different type of power.
The theory revolves around a Season 2 vision Daenerys had. Viewers may remember: Dany envisions herself in the throne room in Kings Landing. The room is mostly destroyed, and the throne is covered in snow. According to marisaann26, this snow translates to ice. The vision continues, including Dany leaving behind Khal Drogo and their son to tend to her crying dragons. A warlock says, “The mother is reunited with her babies, and you’ll be with them through winter, summer, then winter again.”
The Reddit user and deep theorist explained some of this vision has already translated to Dany’s real life, such as when Dany was aiming to attack King’s Landing, but Jon Snow persuaded her to fight the White Walkers instead. The theory could come to full fruition in Season 8, where Dany could, potentially, become a White Walker by her own choosing. The explanation is simple. The vision shows Dany choosing her dragons over her human family. One of Dany’s dragons has already died. If her other two are killed, Dany may choose to live on eternally with her dragon children and may take a place as the Night Queen. It’s a win-win for the power seeker. She’d get to live on her days with her most beloved family members, as well as rule as a queen.
What may be the most convincing: During the Season 2 vision, Dany sees the snowy throne, and the sight is accompanied by the White Walker theme music.
The theory also notes Emilia Clarke’s own comments about her role as Dany in Season 8. The actor said her last scene as Dany was emotional and concerning in an interview with Vanity Fair. “It f***ked me up,” Clarke said. “Knowing that is going to be a lasting flavor in someone’s mouth of what Daenerys is….”
Put the theory together with Emilia’s quote about how the ending f–ked her up and yeah… I think there’s a certain logic to it. I went back and re-watched the Season 2 “vision” scene Dany has at the House of the Undying (you can watch it here) and I’d like to point out one thing… while she sees the Iron Throne covered in snow, she doesn’t sit on the throne at any point. She also sees the space above the Iron Throne (the high ceiling) ripped off or possibly burned, through dragon fire or wildfire.
This also goes hand-in-hand with another fan theory that the Night King was once a Targaryen and he still uses symbols related to Targ symbols. But I’ve always believed more in the theory that the Night King was once a Stark.
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That’s heavy. A lot to digest. I don’t know how I would feel. I mean, yes she loves those dragons because they are essentially her “children” but, would she want to give up the natural world for the undead, no matter who or what they are?
Also, I do hope we get more back story on the leader of the White Walkers!
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@Nikki:
“Also, I do hope we get more back story on the leader of the White Walkers!”
Me, too. I unabashedly LOVE him.
Jon Snow’s lineage was not a fan theory, if you read any of the book series there were many implications that surrounded this. Jon Snow is the rightful heir, but the Night King is is probably Jon Snow’s father. Only Targaryen’s can fly on dragons, so the night king is connected to Snow and Bran some how, some way.
Whitewalkers were created by the children of the forest to protect them.
Yeah she almost touched that icy throne, in the house of the undying, but didn’t.
What I am having a hard time wrapping my head around is that we have 5 episodes to go! (right? just 5? or 6 still?) There is a LOT that has to happen for there to be any kind of conclusion here. I’m going to be super annoyed if they dragged this show out for 8 seasons and then in one episode Jamie kills Cersei, Jon kills Dany, Dany becomes the Night Queen, and Winterfell is destroyed (or whatever ends up happening.) Not that anyone asked me.
I do think the battle of winterfell will be episodes 3 and 4. I think those are the two longer episodes, so I’m expecting good stuff there. So that will give us a few episodes after Winterfell to wrap it up.
Anyway, that said – I can see Dany becoming the Night Queen, if all the dragons end up dead. I can also see Jon ending up with one dragon.
***POSSIBLE SPOILERS***
((I’ve read episode 3 will be winterfell, 4 will be aftermath, 5 will be king’s landing.))
That makes sense, because we still have to get to Kings Landing – or at least there has to be some sort of showdown between Cersei and the others.
Well yeah (my apologies for sounding sarcastic). Sunday’s is setting up for the Nigh King’s arrival. Plus, that episode is only 54 minutes so the battle episode would be E.3 which is a little over an hour.
I was referring to the part where the poster stated that battle of winterfell will expand into episode 4. I don’t think we’ll get much battle there. It will be entirely episode 3. Some battlefield aftermath maybe, but i think general consensus is winterfell will fall to the wws. They’ll be on the lam as it were in episode 4 maybe. Not sure.
The Night King existed long before the Targaryen symbol existed. The Targs only created that symbol when they conquered Westeros 300 years prior to the start of the show. The Night King existed 8000 years prior to that. If anything, the Targ symbol is based on the Night King/Children of the Forest symbol they saw on Dragonstone, not the other way around. The Night King makes that symbol because it’s the same formation that was around the tree where he was created (as shown in season 6). The Night King can’t be a Targ since the Targs weren’t in Westeros at the time he was created, but he can definitely be a Stark.
I said the same thing yesterday on another post. The Night King is not a Targaryen. The timeline is way off.
I think he’s just one of the anonymous First Men…❄❄❄❄❄
I know the targaryen symbol is based off The three headed dragon which is Aegon the conqueror and his two sisters. When he came over first to Dragon Stone he married his sisters. They Concorde the 7 kingdoms together and they all rode dragons. They are the basis behind the symbol 3 headed dragon. I don’t know much about the night king except for the first people made him to protect them and it kind a got out-of-control .
You sure about that?
Prince Aemon Targaryen, called Aemon the Dragonknight, a son of Viserys II and a member of the Kingsguard for four kings.
https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Aemon_Targaryen
She already has the so called crown (Cersi being the only outlier) so can’t see her sacrificing herself since she already has a lot pf power but could see her being resurrected. Honestly that would be an OK ending as I don’t expect it to end well.
While we may get a NK backstory, I’m skeptical. Mostly because he’s a D&D creation and not from the books. They have stated that he’s just one of the first men who the Children of the Forest turned into a White Walker. I do think there is more to the story, but right now I doubt it will be that complex.
As for the Night Queen theory, I don’t know. In the Beyond the Wall episode, Beric stated that if you kill the NK, all he created will fall with him. I think that’s how they will wrap it up. The NK will be destroyed and all of the dead will fall with him.
But do we know if the Night King is soley a D&D creation. Technically, in the books at least, we haven’t gotten to a part where anyone would’ve seen him. Bran is still in the tree and in the books, Jon did not go to Hardhome. If Winds of Winter if ever published, I suspect we’ll see our first glimpse of the Night King.
My theory is if anyone will become a Night Queen is Cersei. Keep in mind, she is standing back so that once everyone dies, she and her army will be standing. Cersei is a survivor and wants ultimate power. In her warped mind, I can that being enticing.
It is possible there is a leader still to come in the books, but since there already was a Night’s King in the books, I don’t think it will resemble the show at all.
D&D essentially confirmed we would get a NK backstory and understand the motivations of the wws.
I think it’s possible she will become the night queen, but we’ve basically been told we’re getting a disney ending, so unless they’re lying to us, a whole lotta people gonna be rolling their eyes, including me.
“but we’ve basically been told we’re getting a disney ending”
We have? Not being snarky….truly want to know. I thought the quote of “if you expect a happy ending…you haven’t been paying attention” was a real thing?
It’s pretty much the only way she becomes queen in her own right without the death of Jon Snow.
My personal theory is that regardless of how, Dany and Jon’s child gets the throne under a Sansa regency, Tyrion serving as hand, possibly with a Sansa-Tyrion political marriage to cement it all.
That’s the exact ending I want. And at this point, Sansa and Tyrion are actually a really good match.
I like this ending too, I really like Sansa/Tyrion pairing.
I feel like the Stark name and bloodline will weild a lot of influence throughout several houses. I feel Tyrion and Sansa will end up together. They are a good match. I also foresee Gendry being legitimized and getting the Baratheon land and titles, and if my Gendrya ship comes to fruition, Arya will be his wife. Theon has seemed to resolve his inner conflict and as per his convo with Jon and has reconciled that he can still be a Greyjoy AND A Stark since Ned raised him. The Ironborne will be loyal to the Starks for however long Theon has any influence. If Jon makes it, he will be the King or the father of the next Targ baby at least. So Lamnister/Stark alliance, Baratheon/Stark, Targaryen/Stark, Iron Islands loyalty, the Vale is loyal to Sansa and so will Riverrun, etc
My crazy theory is that Dany is somehow transformed into a dragon. It sounds silly, but Mirri Maz described her still born baby as having scaly skin and wings.
In the books Tyrion is a much darker character and he actively resents Sansa, especially after she flees Kings Landing. She in turn pities him but not much more than that. Their tense reunion on the show belatedly reflected their book relationship more accurately. They’re doing GRMM’s ending so even if both characters survive them being together is highly, highly unlikely.
I’ve never believed Dany would end up on the throne. There is too much foreshadowing that it’s not for her.
Her vision at the House of the Undying has her going up to the throne, but she never actually touches it and then walks away from it. Daario also tells her she is no ruler. That she is a conqueror and he can’t see her sitting there.
That said I don’t hate Dany, but I see a lot of people having no faith in her reaction to finding out that Jon is really Aegon Targaryen, 6th of his name. Sure, she’s always been entitled that the throne and titles are her birthright, but at this point, she has fallen in love with Jon in a more genuine and authentic way than she ever did with anyone else, including the Stockholm Syndrome she developed for Drogo. Also, she knows this is her last blood relative, and not one who abused her verbally and physically like Viserys did. He is the son of the brother both siblings looked up to and admired and were told was noble and honorable. Jon also treats her with respect and she knows him to be a man of his word, of loyalty and of honor. The man who “won over” her dragons, who was stabbed and brought back to life, and has earned her respect and admiration as well. And if he has the power to get her pregnant again after she thought she would never have anymore children, she may rethink everything. He will be her king, she his queen and she will want them to rule together. I think she may be conflicted at first, but will come around to see it that they can BOTH rule like Aegon, Visenya and Rhaenys did. I don’t think she’ll wanna kill Jon like some suggest.
I don’t think she will be an ice queen either. I think she just may go back to her conquering ways. Still Queen in title, but leave the actual ruling job to AeJon and the rest.
The drama is that Jon isn’t okay with the whole situation. He is uncomfortable with her being his aunt and he isn’t happy about being the apparent true heir to the Iron Throne. If he rejects her … how will she respond? She will have lost a lover and gained a rival.
I also think lots of people need to start having babies.
Kingdoms require heirs and spares and houses must be built.
Unrelated but I’ve got my heart set on the return of the Blackfish. I doubt I’ll get it but you know.
Now that you mention it, it is kind of weird that in this long epic there is only mention of one child being born (little Sam).
I think the Blackfish was killed with the Lannisters took over River Run – I think. I just hope that Olenna Tyrell is still alive. Imagine Sansa, Olenna, and Lady Lyana Mormont. Talk about bada$$.
I have never been a huge fan of Daenerys but I doubt she would willingly serve the Night king. Even if she died, I don’t think they would go that route. I think by the end of the show both Daenerys and Jon will be dead. The iron throne probably won’t even matter anymore they will go back to how things were before the Targaryens took over.
My hope though is that Sansa will take the iron throne from Cersei. I hated her for most of the show but now she’s one of my favorite characters. I know it’s a long shot but I kinda feel like that’s what they have been building towards.
I feel like they are definitely building towards a Cersei/Sansa showdown.
…and Sansa will win IMO. I mean she has survived under horrible circumstances and came out on top. Plus she is way smarter than Dany. She tends to let people hang themselves before she steps in.
Sana will be the “younger brother” who kills Cersi.
I think Sansa is a great character, I would love to see her have a significant role to play in Cersei’s downfall.
Cersei must answer for all the horrible things she did to Sansa, including killing Lady. Sansa can feed her to Ghost and Nymeria
That would be a most fitting ending but I can’t shake the feeling that Jamie might get there first.
Jamie, Tyrion, or Arya wearing one of their faces. Otherwise the prophecy is not completed.
Snow on the throne, you say?
Exactly. Take also into account that in the books, Melissandre asked R’hllr to show her who Azor Ahai is and all he shows her is Snow. With a capital S. Some suggest it might have been a typo, but it’s written that way in every copy.
Azor Ahai’s sword was tempered by driving it through the heart of his wife, combined with her soul, and created the sword Lightbringer. When he plunges it into his enemies, they burst into flames.
Does Daenerys dragon-ness create the weapon that Snow needs to kill the Night King?
I expect the next episodes are going to eff us and all our theories up and yes I can see Dany doing something selfish and totally unexpected – finding out about Jon and potentially loosing her remaining dragons are going to push her over the edge.
Sam’s question to Jon about Dany is important and, I think, a significant plot clue – I don’t think she will give up crown for her people, she might for her dragons if she has any left but given how she reacted to the news of Vis am not even sure of that.
Given Dany’s vision Winterfell will fall to the walkers and the fight goes to Kings Landing where Cersei is waiting to kill everyone but she has no wildfire left, she used it all to blow up the sept.
I’ve been holding on to my own ending idea, which is that Jaime and a select few enter King’s Landing, either to rescue or kill Cersei and gain control of the Lannister army. They try to stave off the WWs, fail, and Jaime realizes the only way to save Westeros is to blow up King’s Landing with the wildfire caches. It would be poetic, him making the decision to murder a million or so innocent people when he murdered the Mad King for that exact same command.
It’s not going to happen, of course, but a girl can dream they find some semblance of a decent story this season.
“Given Dany’s vision Winterfell will fall to the walkers”
When did this happen?
@ M.A.F.:
I think it was King’s Landing (not Winterfell). And the vision she had happened when she was at the House of the Undying (in Qarth).
I meant that in the upcoming battle Winterfell will fall as in the vision Kings Landing is destroyed and shows snow/evidence winter had been.
She doesn’t say the ending f-cked her up though, she says her last scene did, and her last scene may or may not be the ending because don’t they film these out of order? I also think that the final scenes many of the actors did messed them up not because of the content of the scene itself but just because this show is ending.
I thought that on initial reading but then that doesn’t make sense with her saying it bothers her that that’s the last view of her the audience has. It would need to be her last scene in the show for it to matter what impression it leaves on the audience.
I don’t think think she’ll become a white walker or the Night Queen for that matter but the theory is interesting. What I don’t understand is why so many people think she’s going to come apart once she finds out she and Jon are related as if incest isn’t the Targaryen way, I mean her parents were literally brother and sister 😂
It won’t be the incest. It will be the fact that she’s not the one true heir.
Daenerys will not want to be queen consort
Yep. She’d probably welcome that idea. Now they can rule the way her ancestors did. When people talk of Aegon’s conquest in font of Arya, she reminds everyone it was Aegon AND his sisters. He didn’t really rule, he left the governing to them and only stepped in when he felt like it. Even if Jon is only half. But his other half would also bring the loyalty of the North since he was raised there and still has Stark blood..
Why no one is talking the baby Dany lost, we never saw the baby the witch only described the still born baby. I’m asking because there is fourth dragon picture on the new intro of the series, what if the ugly baby described by witch is the fourth dragon.
But she saw her baby in the house of the undying sitting with Kahl Drogo, or is that supposed to relate how Dany thinks her baby would’ve or should’ve looked? He was chubby and cute not twisted like the witch said. There’s a new symbol too…the person holding a severed head. Who is it and what does that mean? I wonder if that’s how the night king needs to be destroyed??
Speaking of babies, this theory creates a whole new wrinkle and a lot of questions.
http://www.zimbio.com/Beyond+the+Tube/articles/qITA4DAuxSs/Game+Thrones+Season+8+Theory+Night+King+Heir
“Consider the origin of the White Walkers. They’re a family, at least some of them, depending on how long Craster has been sacrificing his sons. He has 19 wives in George R.R. Martin’s books, so it’s been awhile. He claims to have 99 sons on the show. Since they’re born of incest, the Craster bloodline is pure. This is a practice, to put it generously, most famously time-honored in the Targaryen family. Is it possible Craster is a long-lost Targaryen and there’s some connection between the great Westerosi family and the Night King? On his deathbed, Maester Aemon says Little Sam laughs like his brother Aegon Targaryen. “
Ned Stark was beheaded by the Lannisters…maybe it’s Cersei’s head that gets defenstrated.
Actually, what’s everyone’s favourite didn’t-make-it-into-the-show bit from the books? I’ll go with Oberyn Martell poisoned Tywin Lannister, ensuring his death. (Yes, it’s a hidden sneaky thing)
The Jon Connington-(fake?)Aegon plot. It’s not my favourite, but I want to know who got a better claim to the throne: Aegon or Jon .
Well, he’s heavily implied to a fake heir – mummer’s dragon and all that – but, on the other hand, he’s been deliberately raised to be a good king, man of the people, et cetera. Jon has the better claim but would he be a better king? That’s a hard one.
PROPER SAND SNAKES! They were wasted on the show..
I think once the show has ended, I might go back and re-read the books. I read them so fast (and I have yet to finish book 5).
I agree completely!! The Sand Snakes were so cool in the books.
Yes- the show ruined the Dorne storyline!
Yeah, they were all cool as hell but, to be fair, it means we didn’t get Dark Star, he is of the night, you know. God, the Sand Snakes were cool, except for Dark Star*, he is of the night, you know.
*If you don’t know what I am talking about, all you need to know is Dark Star has like eleventy billion lone wolves on his T-Shirt and he is of the night, you know.
I could also read fan theories all day long, my husband makes fun of me but I’m fascinated by how well thought out some of them are.
I think the night king is both Stark and Targaryen.
That’s not how I saw that scene at all. King’s Landing is in ruins either because of the war with the NK (him having reached that far south) and/or from the Houses battling each other. I took that scene to mean that Dany will never to sit on the throne. How that happens is yet to be determine but I don’t think she will be the Night Queen since nothing has led to that direction.
I literally cannot think of an ending more absolutely tone deaf than a woman sexually trafficked by her brother turning into the ultimate villain on the throne, her body AGAIN violated by an unwanted change. If she becomes the Night Queen, it has to be an act of sacrifice and love to protect the world, not a downfall. I will be screaming in outrage by the end of the season if the writer’s really come at me with this misogynistic bullshit where the only “acceptable” women in the story by the end are those that aren’t ambitious and shrewd.
Dany has never been shrewd though. Ambitious yes, but throughout the narrative her choices and actions have been flawed. She was never set up as a good ruler.
So in this rage inducing possibility of yours Arya, Cersei, Sansa, Daenerys, Melisandre, and Brienne all have to die.
Daenerys isn’t the only ambitious and/or shrewd woman in the place.
And the men who remain haven’t been very shrewd or ambitious either. Most have survived by accident and are mostly concerned with their own survival and/or the survival of house and home.
She’s an inexperienced revolutionary, not a perfect governor, I’m not arguing there. I don’t really mind if Sansa or somebody else winds up on the throne, but I will find it deeply repugnant on a thematic storytelling level if Dany is turned to villainy at the end. Taking a marginalized character sold into sexual slavery at the hands of her own family into a corruption of her original principles is just gross storytelling. It isn’t comparable to where the men are because they were privileged with power. They had it from the start, whether they deserved it or not. Dany is many things with many flaws, but she fought for that power. She walked through the inferno to birth dragons. That’s why their hers to command.
Frankly, none among Arya, Brienne, or Melisandre strike me as interested in taking the throne, and two of them aren’t even primary characters, so I’m not sure why they’re being included here or how that was read into my comment. (Milly has the potential, though. She believes deeply in Dany’s vision.) Cersei, on the other hand, is absolutely going to reap what she sowed, much as I love her.
Yeah, it’s repugnant to think that Dany, who fought so hard and long to end slavery, is enslaved as the Night King’s bride. Not buying it. Why would a woman of fire freeze?
DSP, wow chill out, you are out of control. I never even mentioned one of them needed to die, never mind all of them.
@Susan:
I think the snarky remark was directed at Veronica S., not you.
It’s hard to find the right box to reply when you’re typing on your cell phone (if one’s using CB’s mobile version).
My theory is Dany is going to die during childbirth after she has Jon’s baby and Sansa and Tyrion are going to adopt it and live happily ever after. Sansa on the throne, Tyrion her hand/husband, Arya her executioner. Everyone else dies.
Why wouldn’t Jon Snow sit on the throne?
I think the last sentence sums it up.
Rumor is heavy that Tyrion is dead in the end.
perfect and fitting end to the white saviour narrative because dominating the people of the south was just practice for the brand of evil.
Exactly 👏🏻 My 👏🏻 Theory👏🏻!!!!
If Sansa serves as regent in King’s Landing, Arya will remain at Winterfell. There’s always a Stark in Winterfell and it hasn’t escaped most people’s notice that Arya dresses and walks just like her father.
Arya is baby Ned Stark, albeit much wiser
Found this on another website (Pajiba), it may be old and I don’t know if it’s already been linked here on Celebitchy (if so…my apologies). Anyway, it was fun for me and I’d like to share:
https://youtu.be/jsYAYXeVtoM
Bwahahahaaaa that was not what I was expecting!!
I think Dany will die and is just giving the night king the army he needs to take it all. I mean if even half of her army dies, everyone is in trouble. I think John will survive but let houses rule their territories. I can see Sansa in a position of power and I hope she sees Cersei die. In the books, isn’t it Jamie who kills Cersei? I wonder if it’s because Jamie is dead and Arya is wearing his face? Also, if Bran is the most important living person at this point, why is he even at Winterfell?
Well if certain spoilers are to be believed, Tyrion won’t be alive at the end of the show. Quite honestly, I don’t think any of the main characters are fit for the Iron Throne. None of them have proven themselves adept at building relationships without alienating others. Jon is in my opinion, the most noble and least selfish – but we all know how well that has turned out for him in the past. Dany is good at getting people to follow her, but her time leading Mereen was a moderate success at best (and that was mostly due to the maneuvering of Tyrion and Varys), and I know she’s really liked but Sansa hasn’t really shown herself to be some great militarist or ruling strategist.
Personally, I can’t wait for all the Northerners to shit their pants when they actually come face to face with the AOTD. I still don’t think most them truly understand the threat.
That’s why I’m of the opinion that the most logical direction of the story is for Jon, Dany, Sansa, Tyrion, etc. to all come together and hash things out in the face of the AOTD. What’s been missing through the entire story is a true sense of unity. They all have their ambitions, dreams, and experiences pulling them into different paths, but in the long run, it makes no sense for characters like Sansa and Dany to continue to be at odds. They’re cut from the same cloth. All of them have gotten to where they are now by dragging themselves from the bottom after being tossed there by the powerful. If they can get past the surface differences, they can learn from each other and all become more effective.
@ Veronica S.
“That’s why I’m of the opinion that the most logical direction of the story is for Jon, Dany, Sansa, Tyrion, etc. to all come together and hash things out in the face of the AOTD.”
I agree with you but the problem is both Sansa and most of the nothern Lords and Ladies are still being petty and arguing about things that mean nothing when you have to face said real threat.
I almost threw things at the tv when Jon Snow had to beg Sansa to stop undermining him in front of people.
@Patty:
“Personally, I can’t wait for all the Northerners to shit their pants when they actually come face to face with the AOTD.
I’d so love that to happen. I’ve been living for this they refused to let the wildlings pass through The Wall’s gate and some houses also refused to fight along them for Winterfell (Battle of the Bastards).
“I still don’t think most them truly understand the threat.”
They really don’t. Sansa is still quibbing over who’s who among the lords and ladies of the North.
And people, please, spare me from “she’s a brilliant military strategist”. Like someone posted yesterday it’s wise to think about provisions…if it’s a human versus human battle. It isn’t.
There won’t many to feed once The Night King and Army Of The Dead reaches Winterfell.
“Like someone posted yesterday it’s wise to think about provisions…if it’s a human versus human battle. It isn’t.”
It was Mrs. Krabapple who pointed that out.
Thinking about provisions is also the most basic thing to think about. It doesn’t elevate Sansa to genius status. In fact, the way she brought the issue up demonstrates that she isn’t a very effective ruler because all she can seem to do is antagonize people and bring things up in forums where it is not appropriate to do so.
@Susan:
I agree with you.
To be fair, that way of making decisions is a very Northern thing. Everyone gets together and openly talks and/or argues about things. There is hierarchy of course but you’re expected to speak your mind. A classic example is Robb’s interactions with the Stark bannermen back in Season 1. It’s supposed to be much more rough and tumble (and arguably honest) than the behind closed doors, wheeling and dealing political style of the ‘sophisticated’ South.
I agree that many don’t fully grasp the dangers of the AOTD, but I also don’t completely blame them for that. If you’ve never seen a walker, and all you know is that it’s a legend/myth, and someone is trying to convince you that it’s a bigger danger than cersei, who is a known entity – I can see why sansa et al are “willing” to go along with Jon but aren’t entirely on board with the danger.
They SHOULD be on board, but Sansa has been through some shit. I can understand why her immediate goal of survival involves provisions and beating Cersei.
DID anyone say she’s a brilliant military strategist? The comment I saw above was about how she isn’t one.
@Becks1:
Yesterday someone said she was “an excellent military strategist”. Can’t remember who posted.
Oh well I love Sansa but disagree with that assessment lol. She has her strengths, military strategy isn’t one.
I can see this happening if her other two Dragons are killed and turned into white walker/dragons. She will want to be with them.
Some believe magic will end with the NK’s death, and that includes the dragons. Plus, it seems Dany will become a mom to a human. If she’s going to die, I think she will die in childbirth. If Jon dies, I think he will sacrifice himself for Dany, his child, or the greater good.
I too believe Magic will end after the NK is killed. That also includes everyone that is touched by magic: Jon, Dany, Arya, the dragons, Ghost, Melisandre, Bran, Cersei’s undead knight, etc. GRRM thought that the hero’s from LOTR who touched the ring should have all died instead of retiring to live with the elves. That was a motive to write GOT.
Sansa, Tyrion, (Jaime??) and the “regular” 2nd/3rd string characters. Also Jon and Dany’s Human baby. Of course Jaime kills Cersei. Arya wearing Jaime’s face is not Jaime, it doesn’t have the same ironic effect. It has to be a poignant event, Jaime has to continue the theme of saving others from a dangerous leader but this time with skin in the game: Cersei is who he has loved his entire life, his twin and the mother of his now dead children. Maggie the Frog’s prediction have been precise each time not metaphoric.
“GRRM thought that the hero’s from LOTR who touched the ring should have all died instead of retiring to live with the elves. That was a motive to write GOT.”
Then GRRM missed the pointed of them “retiring”. Their “retiring’ was death but in Tolkien’s own way. It was said numerous times that they will never return to Middle Earth.
What if the only way to remove the Night King, is to replace him? He dies and Dany takes his place and makes peace between the living and the dead. She rules, just not on the iron throne – fits with the ‘Song of ice and fire’ theme. I don’t hate it if it’s her choice/sacrifice.
If Daenerys dies in childbirth it will be full circle for what happened w/Jon’s mum. And as her brother sacrifised for his wife, so would Jon. I do like Daeny but she is a leader only so far as she has Varys, Tyrion, her lady in waiting and the head of her army and of course her dragons and Jorah Mormont, whom I love.
As for Daeny’s army, I believe them showing us how vast an army she has might be the foreshadowing for their demise when the majority are turned by the NK. But, if that is the case, then no one is surviving…
Sansa is petty. She still has a lot of growing to do, yes, she is not the little impetuous child she once was, but I think she really is overconfident with her abilities. She had people helping her every step of the way, she never truly made sacrifices or survived her horrors w/o help/assistance. None of this is to discount her suffering, just, she isn’t the saviour of the North.
Arya prefers to remain in the shadows, I believe, but as she stated to Jon, family is everything and I believe she too will sacrifice accordingly.
Tyrion, sweet Tyrion, has, as Sansa, come a long way, but he too would not have made it as far as he did w/o the sacrifice and help of others.
Lord Varys, his BF, I truly believe is the only one that has his back. I know Daeny cares about him, but I don’t think she would hesitate to protect Jon over Tyrion, or anyone else, except of course her babies – her dragons.
I think we’ll see an epic battle betw the three dragons and I hope the two fire ones win. Otherwise…
Anyway, I am expecting this to be spectacular – I mean the best battle was at the North vs Ramsey (love the actor – shout out to Misfits!) – so this has to top that! Not even the battle at the Wall and then against the WKs topped the Battle of the Bastards for me. XP
Cersei…ugh. She has suffered tremendous loss of her children but oh boy is she despicable. Hiring Bronn to kill her brothers (w/ the very crossbow Tyrion used to kill his father)…She, like Arya, takes family very seriously, but she is on another level. I’m curious to see her fate. She still believes she can sit back whilst everyone fights each other and she will remain unscathed…
YAY – GOT!
@Nikki:
“Sansa is petty. She still has a lot of growing to do, yes, she is not the little impetuous child she once was, but I think she really is overconfident with her abilities. She had people helping her every step of the way, she never truly made sacrifices or survived her horrors w/o help/assistance. None of this is to discount her suffering, just, she isn’t the saviour of the North.”
Said it better than I ever could.
Thank you! I love you! 💓 💗 💖
But you in danger, girl. Apparently Sansa is a fan-favourite here on CB.
Eh, I think most people here like Sansa, but don’t think she is perfect. Just because some people like her as a character more than Dany, doesn’t mean she is perfect.
The irony is that I don’t even like Daenerys. I like the dragons.
But Sansa, no matter what people say, I find bratty, petty and still dumb. She’s penny-wise and pound-foolish.