For Game 3 of the NBA Finals, the Toronto Raptors played the Golden State Warriors on the Warriors’ home turf, ORACLE Arena in Oakland. The Warriors still lost, because even though Steph Curry is Steph Curry, the Warriors were missing Kevin Durant, Klay Thompson and Kevon Looney. Beyonce is a big fan of the Warriors, but she also supports LeBron and just basketball in general. She and Jay-Z usually make it to several of the Finals games, and they always sit courtside. So it was for Game 3 – Jay and Beyonce sitting on the court, right beside the owner of the Warriors, Joe Lacob, and his wife Nicole Curran. Unfortunately for everyone, the seating arrangement was Jay, Beyonce, Nicole and Joe, all in a row. This caused some problems. Watch this:
Jay-Z and Beyoncé are courtside for Game 3 😎 pic.twitter.com/6mmJuN8Odn
— ESPN (@espn) June 6, 2019
Becky. Needs. To. Stop. Leaning. MY GOD. If you were that close to Beyonce, wouldn’t you try to spontaneously shrink your body so you wouldn’t dare touch the Bey-couture?? The LAST thing you would do is LEAN OVER BEYONCE to talk to Jay-Z. Wait for Lemonade Deux, with songs like “Becky With the Courtside Seat” and “You Just Try Leaning Over Me One More Time.”
Anyway, the Beyhive was especially active last night, and now you know why. Nicole Curran had to be identified, her social media accounts had to be found, and a million bee emojis had to be flooded in her comments. And thus, a meme was born.
She got removed 😭😭😭😭 pic.twitter.com/AWg0RfrVtI
— MUFASA 🦁 (@Jazocracy) June 6, 2019
I would leave the earth if Beyonce looked this ready to smack me https://t.co/Yaf4JKeMhN
— KB (@KaraRBrown) June 6, 2019
Beyonce: “This Becky with the good hair bout to get her wig split” pic.twitter.com/1BpSWdYzNB
— Josiah Johnson (@KingJosiah54) June 6, 2019
me, still in the Google doc while two editors tear a piece of my writing to shreds pic.twitter.com/ABmWUGs1Zg
— Hanif Abdurraqib (@NifMuhammad) June 6, 2019
Beyonce & Jay-Z are taking in some #NBAFinals action. 🙌
(📸: @nba) pic.twitter.com/z5yaC7CIir
— NBA on TNT (@NBAonTNT) June 6, 2019
Photos courtesy of Beyonce’s Instagram.
This is the most ridiculous thing I read today (not on CB’s account). It must be exhausting to be Beyoncé and Jay Z. So a woman leaned over into bey’s personal space to actually have a conversation with them in what’s probably a super noisy venue. Big deal beyhive, yawn.
Yeah exactly. Beyonce’s hair looks gorgeous
Her wig. But she bought it, so it’s hers. LOL.
On a more serious note, though, I would like to see more celebrities not wear wigs and inspire girls to love themselves as they are. Not focusing on Beyonce; she seems to be doing a good job with Blue, but in general. I work with middle schoolers of color and they are already talking about “edges” and “bad hair” and some even come in with (really bad and cheap) wigs.
What was the point of clarifying that it’s a wig? So WHAT?
It makes a difference to me. It’s not her hair; it’s a wig. A nice, expensive wig, but a wig nonetheless. Triggered much?
@ByTheSea yeah actually I am triggered. Because as a black woman I am sick of OTHER black women trashing black women’s hair choices. We get enough s-*it from white society and black men. What purpose does it serve to pile on? You like natural hair? Great sis. Then rock your natural hair. I will applaud and support your choice. Just like I will applaud Beyoncé’s or any other woman’s right to wear a wig. Black women deal with a LOT. We dont need the call to be coming from inside the house as well. Perhaps instead of feeling so preachy and holier than thou you can learn to accept ALL black women’s hair journeys and choices. Oh – and btw. My hair is natural. I shaved all of my hair off last year. Was bald as a cue ball. It’s now a tiny fro. Which I wear proudly. And sometimes I throw on a wig too. I rock BOTH.
Valiantly
You always bring that fire! A little louder for the judgy people in the back. My body, my money, my choice. Period. This woc does as she pleases as should every woman. So sick of the natural hair police.
@Valiantly Varnished. All day, sis!! Preach that!!
There was no judgment in that comment. As I said above, I work with middle school girls and see the real life implications of celebrities’ “perfect” hair and bodies. Come at me when you have heard twelve year olds feel bad about their edges and natural hair. I will continue to point out people’s wigs (Beyonce and otherwise, including the Klan) and surgeries.
@ByTheSea Girl, bye. Your comments are DRIPPING with judgment. As for “coming at you” when I’ve heard twelve year okds talking about their edges and natural hair. YOU are one of the black female role models in their lives. In the flesh. But if you are coming off to these young impressionable girls the way you come off in this thread? Well…smh.
Clarifying (for who?) that her hair is a wig? As a joke? This comment stood out to me as highly inappropriate and offensive. It didn’t help anyone and only served to hurt, whether you meant to or not… When are we as women going to have each other’s backs? 🙁
Beyonce has also shown her natural hair before.and it’s long. If she’s wearing a wig hair it’s probably to protect her hair.
Thank you, @Eto. @BytheSea, you must not be black or familiar with the toll being in the entertainment industry can take on one’s hair. Black people have fragile hair that cannot withstand the constant heat/styling processes that are required when one’s a celebrity. Wigs can protect black people’s hair against damage. That’s likely why Beyonce wears one. That said, all wigs aren’t created equal. Plenty of people have fake hair that looks like crap. Her hair, wig or not, looks gorgeous. Trying to say she needs to be a role model for little girls seems like a BS way to trash a black woman. And, frankly, it’s not Beyonce’s job to make any little girls, besides her daughters, feel good about themselves. By the way, black people have been talking about “edges” and “good hair” for decades before Beyonce was even born. It’s crazy that somehow a black woman is to blame for the white beauty standards that have presumably caused the girls you work with to feel bad about their appearance.
ByTheSea
Whether synthetic or real, natural or processed you are reinforcing to those young girls that there is a right and a wrong way for a woc to look. You really don’t see how problematic that is? How dangerous? Haven’t woc been unfairly proscribed an aesthetic for centuries in this country?
Save some of that energy for those who set the beauty standards or for the institutions and establishments who marginalize woc when they don’t adhere to them.
You just helped those girls trade in one set of limitations for another.
This gang up, bandwagoning against folks with a different opinion mess is why I rarely post or look at this site anymore.
I’m Black and proud. I wear my hair natural. I wear wigs. I cut my hair to a short fro last year.
Pointing out the fact that she’s wearing a wig is not wrong.
I once had another POC ask me what Beyonce was: “What is Beyonce? Because she’s not Black right? Because she doesn’t have Black hair.”
I and anyone else can point out her wig, her nose job(s), or anything else. If you disagree, that’s cool. Let’s discuss. No need for vitriol.
I’m white, I would love to try a wig. It comes across as racist to be like that about a wig. I’m sure there are white girls with highlighted hair but you didn’t mention them. The reason why the girls have cheap wigs is cause they dont have the money to buy a nice one. Duh. Just like we box color our hair if we don’t have money to go to a salon. They have the right to experiment w fashion, hair and makeup as anyone else. Just cause it’s not “white” hairstyles doesn’t make it bad to experiment. Your style preferences are not the gold standard we all have to go by. Just fyi.
Oh shit, i just read some of the other comments. You’re black? That’s even worse imo. I honestly thought you were a white woman dissing POC hairstyles. That’s how bad you sound.
LBoogi – thank you.
To everyone else, the fact that you see nothing wrong with reinforcing outdated beauty standards is frightening. There is nothing. wrong. with. saying. Beyonce. is. wearing. a. wig. Not a single thing. You’re reading so much into it. The fact that 12 year old girls are spending money on WIGS is not right. That’s not “experimentation,” it’s “something is wrong with the hair growing out of my scalp, so let me hide it.” We, as WOC, have elevated another beauty standard above our own. Why not address that, instead of being like “well, that’s the way it’s been forever, so let’s just either ignore it or keep doing it.”
No one is dissing WOC hairstyles. I made a comment. The “dissing” was read into it by the bandwagoners. I apologize for triggering so many of you, but I will not stop speaking about this. You won’t silence me.
ByTheSea,
The attacks on you are unhinged, especially because they are wrapped in this “all women’s choices are excellent because a woman chose it” feminism. It de-historicizes the decades long project of engendering self love for black girls, which is simple: love your natural hair even though the world, including black men, often hate it.
The irony is that Beyonce herself knows this, which is why her daughter’s hair is natural despite the vicious attacks she has faced by making this choice. She is aware that her brand is build on being beautiful in a very conventional way (& had had the cosmetic procedures to ensure this), but seems to want something less confining for Blue.
The way we talk to each other on this form is becoming more and more troubling. I see this on my campus & the venom & self righteousness is over the top. Wasn’t it possible to disagree while acknowledging that ByTheSea’s concerns may be worthy of contemplation.
It’s the height of hypocrisy how some complain about self-righteousness and ‘venom’ (saying no to other people’s moral codes is always venom, I guess) while invoking ‘feminism’ to basically tell select groups of people, “You have to look the way I want you to look in order to be progressive. You owe people this.” Nobody said wearing a wig, wearing extensions, hair dye, or getting work done is a feminist choice. But people are not obligated to look only one way to make a political statement about race, ethnicity, or gender, nor is that the only way to love oneself either. All of this is just putting way too much (selective) emphasis and moral weight on physical appearance, ironically from people who preach about being too ‘Radical’ and Not Vain to care about looks. It gives conservatives, whites, and men an easy, cheap way to derail issues that certain people bring up, and it’s just another good reason for some women to decide they’ll just be progressive without identifying as feminists. After all, what’s the point of adopting a label that just becomes another weapon? It’s also racist and misogynistic to say people are unhinged just because they’re tired of themselves and other members of their group(s) being body-policed, derailed, and gaslit constantly over any decision with their bodies under the guise of some greater good.
@ByTheSea
All I can say is thank goodness it’s you teaching those young black women and not any of the ladies attacking you. Since when did pointing out a fact become attacking someone especially when pointing out that fact makes the person seem more real and not so unattainable. With the amount of fake imagery that goes on in the media, pointing these things out will help young girls develop a healthy and more balanced sense of self.
She’s not talking to them. She’s talking to him and leaning far into Beyoncé’s personal space to do it. Watch her line of sight. Do I think it’s overblown? Sure, but I don’t think her fans are angry – I think they’re poking fun at it given the subject matter of Lemonade. But if she was irritated I’d understand – that’s a pet peeve of mine (I hate being touched by strangers even unintentionally and having people in my personal space).
I am extremely uncomfortable when people get into my personal space or touch me. There is a close talker at my office and she is clueless. She walks up to me, I take a step back, she takes a step forward and so on. It drives me nuts.
“they’re poking fun at it”
I mean, imagine you leaned over to talk to someone and then you took out your phone and thousands of strangers from all around the globe are harrassing you for it.
If Beyonce wasn’t bothered by this enough to actually make a comment to the woman, then her fans who weren’t even there shouldn’t have a more extreme reaction than that.
A close talker wearing glitter thigh high boots and a leopard handkerchief for a skirt. Does she buy her clothes at Frederick’s? Maybe Bey’s just pissed off that her husband showed such poor taste in responding. Not good for the image.
It can get pretty loud in that arena, she probably leaned in to hear better. I’m just guessing.
There is also video and pics of the woman talking directly to Beyonce and putting her hands on Beyonce’s shoulders. I think this woman is just very “touchy feely”…which some people like and others don’t.
Oooh yeah, I’d be side eyeing her too, then. I’m fine if someone has to lean in to hear, I’m not fine if they’re being touchy feely while speaking to me.
Really, I don’t read anything serious into this. The woman is just leaning over to talk to him and to them. I don’t see Bey being bothered. Right, it is loud in that stadium and you would have to lean in to talk, or to hear someone else talk. She’s obviously connecting with them and there isn’t anything upsetting going on. Not sure why this got blown up the way that it did.
I usually also make eye contact w/the woman if I’m saying something to the man next to her. It just seems polite.
If she’s only speaking to him, does that mean he spoke to her first, and she’s replying?
What I always find hilarious is when ordinary people project their own little everday issues onto rich and famous people as if they have ANYthing in common. The “white woman” is the owner of the team. JZ may have initiated the conversation w/her for his own reasons.
It doesn’t occur to her that she’s lower and can’t speak to someone.
And she has more money than complainers here could ever dream of having. He may want to ingratiate himself to HER.
Nope. Mr Birdix, who is usually quite mild mannered, has met Nicole several times and has an extremely low opinion of her based on their interactions.
The “white woman” is married to the owner. She’s a trophy wife. A brief glance over her Instagram shows that. If Jay Z and Beyonce need to ingratiate themselves to anyone (it’s unlikely but IF they do), it’s not her.
in my opinion, it’s normal for ANY person to talk to beyonce like they would to any other person. people should really get a grip. beyonce isn’t an egyptian goddess. she’s a person like anybody else. anybody implying that people should treat her like some deity and bow to her and act as if she was more valuable than them suffer from very low self esteem and have no respect for themselves.
People can get really weird around celebs. Some people engage physically with celebrities because it gives them a story. I’ve see seemingly average people get very inappropriate because they think it’s their 1 shot at making a story, so why not go for it. I’ve see 10 year old girls say “If I see so-and-so, I’m just going to grab his butt. I don’t care! I’m just going to do it!”. Her mom laughed at her.
Like what happened with Miley Cyrus the other day, where a guy put his elbow around her neck and hard kissed her face. The Taylor Swift butt grab by the DJ.
This woman is engaging physically with Beyonce in ways that most strangers wouldn’t with another stranger. But, because it’s Queen B and this woman is eager for an interaction, she’s treating the person sitting next to her in a more familiar way than is natural. If I don’t know you, I don’t want you on my lap. You’d know it is wrong to be on my lap if you don’t know me, but because Beyonce is a celeb, those boundaries were ignored.
How do you know they’re strangers?
For all we know Beyoncé & Nicole have met each other plenty of times behind the scenes. All rich people hobnob.
Towards the end of the video you see Beys arm push the other chick. Subtle but it’s there. Hahahah. I love her 🙂
Yeah, this is messed up. Nothing to see here. I say this as someone who makes that Bey-face when people get in my personal space by my super high Canadian personal-space standards (not, I’m sure, dissimilar to those of major ASN celebs), but I’m acutely aware that I’m the unreasonable one in most situations.
Honestly, the clip didn’t make the woman look intrusive. It was probably noisy AF there.
You aren’t Black.
In general, studies have shown that Black Americans have larger personal bubbles and stricter touch boundaries than white people.
Also, there is a dynamic at play here and it is loooooongstanding where white women (white folks) insert themselves into Black women’s personal space and personal business as though they have a right to be there and they are generally out. of. line every time they do it.
This white woman, leaning so far into Beyonce’s personal space that she is TOUCHING her body and then doesn’t heed the slight bump when Bey shifted. That subtle shift was a warning “MOVE, GIRL. GET OFF ME.” And Nicole just continues with her head all up under Beyonce’s nose. And they are on camera so Beyonce can’t do what I do when people invade my personal bubble – tell her “You are entirely too close to me and you need to back up and get off my clothes.”
This white woman (and this dynamic) is very similar to all the white women in the last few weeks who have mistakenly thought we were friendly enough that they could finally ask me the burning question of their lives “are my braids my real hair”. They were embarrassed to find out that we are not, in fact, that friendly.
This was a pretty aggressive and presumptuous comment Yup. I think this tirade speaks more about you and things you’ve gone through than it speaks for Beyonce and All Black Women. I’m sorry for the anger you felt from the clip.
Wow. That’s some serious anger.
@Maylee what was presumptuous about her comment? telling @minx she isn’t black? we all know @minx isn’t black because she’s posted before that her avatar is her daughter, so that wasn’t presumptuous. so what is? there’s no aggression towards @minx at all either, clearly the aggression in the comment was directed at racist white folks who don’t understand boundaries.
it’s also really in poor taste to call a black woman “aggressive” for simply stating her feelings towards her space being invaded. she’s right to be pissed off at the shit she describes happening to her. micro-aggressions like that will add up over time and people get angry – RIGHTFULLY SO!
@Maylee and @toolazy4username
Naaaaaaah. You really just don’t get it, and that’s ok, but you gotta hold space for what she saying. You are dismissing her account of her experience because you’ve projected anger where perhaps YOU feel discomfort.
As a Black woman, I am her to COSIGN every word of that post, and I do so without anger or malice, because this is my experience EVERY DAY, and to be angry or feel malice EVERY DAY only adversely affects me. I see it, I experience it, I keeps it pushin. I HAVE to.
THESE ARE FACTS —maybe not for all Black women, but definitely for some, and I would put some money, though not all, on most. I also won’t ascribe intention to the behaviors of the many and myriad White women that I have this experience with, but it is predictable. Add to that the immediate repercussion of being labeled “angry,” as you have done here, for directly addressing this behavior and experience, and often I, and many other Black women that I know, will respond as Beyonce did: subtly or not at all.
I don’t know @Yup, from Adam, but I know EXACTLY what she is talking about. My mother knows what she is talking about. My grandmother knows what she is talking about. My aunties, my cousins, my friends, we ALL know what she is talking about. We get trained up for this passive-aggressive bull$h!t the way our brothers do for traffic stops.
I am not here for your dismissal!
Isn’t the white woman the OWNER OF THE TEAM? —
Just found out she’s married to the owner. In a community property state.
So doesn’t she have a “right” to be there? You don’t know what JZ said first. Maybe she’s responding to him.
Some singer isn’t “the one with the right to be there” more than the owner.
And if your braids aren’t OBVIOUSLY real hair, that’s why they ask.
@charo incorrect. Nicole Curran is not the owner of the Warriors.
Wow this thread. @Yup, Me: I see examples of what you are talking about all the time in my hyper-liberal West Coast city. White women *do* like to get physically close to Black women, invade their personal space, and behave *as if* they are super friendly and then usually ask them some rude question about their hair or comment on their clothes or something, or their children’s styling. I am Filipina American, not African American, but I have noticed this frequently!!!!! My best friend was visiting me once and in a museum, a white woman approached her and her child and touched her daughter’s hair and asked how they got it into braids like that. I was APPALLED!!!! And I see examples of these interactions when I am at work, at parties, out shopping, etc. Upper-middle class white women will walk up to a middle- or upper-middle or upper-class African American woman, touch her blouse or something, and say, “What a lovely fabric! It really sets off your skin tone!” WTF?!?!?!? I really don’t know what is going on, some combination of trying to demonstrate friendliness (but that is *not* the right way to do that) and some kind of weird curiosity about Black culture and people, and some kind of entitlement to know everything about people different from them. But white women don’t come up to me or other Asian women and start touching our clothes, asking about our hair, commenting on our skin tone!!!!!!!!!!! This is something that, in my experience, is fairly unique to the dynamic between white women (usually middle-aged and older) and African American girls and women (of any age), usually from the same or similar socioeconomic classes.
All she did was bring in facts and personal experience to give you someone who isn’t Black some perspective and @Maylee and @ toolazy4username instantly go to ANGER.
Man this shit is honestly tiring.
@Yup, me…Pretty rude to ask that about your hair in the first place; I recently saw my SIL, who I hadn’t seen in a while and I am pretty sure she had breast augmentation; we have a good relationship, but I would never ask her if she had breast augmentation, because it’s not my business. Same with hair, be it wigs, extensions, color.
It’s effing shameful that you deal with that, but it’s beautiful how you handle it.
i don’t care who you are, it’s incredibly rude to lean over someone like that to talk beyond them. Add in this (rich) (white) lady’s entitlement, and omfg. If she’s willing to disrespect a woman at the top of her field (Beyonce) like this, imagine how she treats us regular folks.
*I am white, btw, and think this cow needed to be elbowed. Again though, she’s relying on it being in public thinking that B has no options but to smile. NFW.
Maylee, I can’t believe you accused Yup of being aggressive. Clearly you need to listen more to the experiences of WOC and believe them.
charo, your comment is really out of line.
@Dee Kay
I’m white with curly hair and have had Black women, Asian women, Filipina women, etc touch my hair and ask me whether it’s natural or permed and who I got it from in my family, etc. I’m not trying to downplay anyone else’s experiences but I’ve had people do this same thing to me and I’m a white as white can be white girl, who happens to have really curly hair. It happened to my mother all throughout her youth and into her 20’s too. She’s actually had it worse than me as she gets a very dark tan in the summer and yet had white blonde, curly hair (think of Daenerys Targaryen with a tight perm). She’s been asked all kinds of inappropriate questions all while having her hair touched without asking. I don’t think this exclusively happens to WOC, by white women. I think it’s just people in general who have no concept of boundaries and those people can, shockingly, be from any ethnicity.
For the record, I am not a Beyonce fan. I think she’s extremely over-rated.
With that said, I didn’t have to see a picture to KNOW that the woman in question was White. @Yup, I co-sign every single word you said.
I can’t count the number of times a White woman has leaned over me, encroached in my personal space or moved me out of the way, to insert herself into a conversation I’m having. Nine times out of 10 it’s with a man. It’s a very clever move because it gives me one of two options and neither is that great.
I can either tell Becky to back the hell up and stop being so rude. That gives Becky the opportunity to claim victim-hood. With her eyes full of tears she will tell me that she LOVES Black women and thinks we’re SOOOOOOOOO beautiful and her best friend is Black. Of course, it will be loud enough so everyone in earshot can hear how this AGGRESSIVE, HOSTILE Black woman has hurt this poor well-meaning White woman’s feelings.
Or I can choose to grit my teeth and say nothing. This makes me a participant in my own humiliation.
This is a dance that White women and Black women have been doing for centuries and they’re REALLY good at it.
If this woman doesn’t know how to behave in public, she needs to use her some of her husband’s money to get some home-training.
Ms.ChanandlerBong, I’m a white woman with curly hair too. Strangers touch my hair too. That doesn’t mean that I am going to diminish or ignore a woman of color who says that she experiences an elevated level of inappropriate touching from white women.
Your experiences do not disprove her experiences.
“I’m not trying to downplay anyone else’s experiences but…” YOU ARE.
“I don’t think this exclusively happens to WOC, by white women…”
Yup DID NOT SAY that it happens “exclusively” to WOC. You’re inventing that in order to negate her point.
@Tiffany 🙂
Go back and reread the posts. There were very clear statements about how white women have shown a pattern to continually overstep their bounds with black women. I was addressing the comments made that very clearly put this issue squarely on white women.
And now because I’m a white woman who’s been inappropriately touched, I can’t say that? And my experiences aren’t as valid as a black woman who’s been inappropriately touched? Man some other commenters on here today hit the nail on the head. This site has become so divisive and it’s a constant competition between who’s experiences are more valid… I was merely pointing out that I’ve had the exact same thing these commenters have addressed happen to them by white women, happen to me by black women, and various other races/ethnicities. But I’m peacing out of this pissing contest.
No need for me to re-read, I understand the posts just fine. It doesn’t make your dismissal of their experiences any more tolerable.
No one said that you “can’t say” you were inappropriately touched (reread the posts). I’m saying it is out of line for you to suggest that because you as a white woman have 1 experience, that it in someway disproves the Yup’s point.
You yourself can be inappropriately touched by different types of people WHILE AT THE SAME TIME women of color are more frequently touched inappropriately by white women. Do you understand what I mean when I write “Your experiences do not disprove her experiences”?
I hope that while you are “peacing out”, you are also reflecting on how women of color might legitimately have a different experience than you when it comes to people invading their space.
Wow. Team Yup for sure on this.
@Olive – @Maylee did not say Yup Me was aggressive; she said her comment was aggressive.
I got the same energy from it.
but is it not righteous aggression? she’s complaining about racist white people invading her space. why wouldn’t she be angry about that happening over and over? why should she have to moderate her tone when expressing anger over something like that in order to be heard? if you’re complaining about tone, you’re not hearing the message. look up “tone policing” – that’s what your response is.
Ahhh, you got the energy, but not the content. Convenient.
A friendly addition, if I may: The energy you got from the comment is probably the energy they get from the experience.
Energy is as important as content. How one conveys can absolutely affect how one receives. A natural response to what feels like agression while still undertanding a message are not mutually exclusive. In fact, auto-labeling such as tone policing is policing, too.
You’ve not addressed the content, just the energy (that perhaps you’ve projected, as there is no reference to what is aggressive, just that it feels that way), therefore you exhibit none of the understanding that you profess is being policed.
So if a white woman got fired up talking about how men tend to get in her personal space, you would label her aggressive? Dismiss the valid things she was saying?
Got it.
@GirlMonday- Just here to upvote your comments. Tone policing is bs, especially when someone is discussing their experience of being marginalized.
I can’t imagine having to bite my tongue when talking about being the subject of racism so that I can have the “right energy” for someone else to being willing to be comfy and then they might listen to the context of my experience. Lord, my tongue would have deep scars…..
@eto is on to it- maybe we should think about how we feel when we are asked to tone down our voices when talking to ignorant men about sexual assault, rape & abortion so our “energy” is sweeter.
We can do better.
toolazy4username is doubling down on negative stereotypes! smh
…am I missing something? Beyoncé doesn’t seem angry or upset, nor should she, as that’s what you have to do to speak to someone when sitting in a row in a noisy place?
I thought the screen grab of the first video she looked vaguely over it. Like she’s just tolerating the woman talking to them. But then the photo of her looking straight ahead while they talked just looked like she was pulling a Jim Halpert from the office.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It honestly must be exhausting for Beyonce from all angles. But I can only imagine her insane fans (not your average person – the big STAN types) are only making her life harder. They’re constantly making it look like she thinks she’s better than everyone else, they hold her up as a saint and attack anyone they see as causing any sort of disrespect towards her.
I saw a clip where it looks like she shoulder bumps the woman pretty significantly….and I don’t blame her one bit.
If this was a repeated thing, then I could see her being annoyed – I’m not touchy feel and I like my personal space. If the other woman was too close, I don’t blame her for being annoyed.
Based on this clip alone though, I’m not seeing it. I’ll have to seek out the other clips.
I like Beyonce well enough, but the deifying of her is so overblown. and the bee emoji BeyHive stuff is just as childish as the Snake Fam. fan culture is fairly gross when they feel like they have to attack everyone all the time.
Thank you for stating this. I feel like the beyhive (so ridiculous to even type that out) needs to grow the F up and stop acting like emotionally challenged 13 year olds.
+1
I don’t see how who she (B) is is relevant. It’s rude to talk around someone like this. Maybe if we are all bffs, then sure invade someone’s space. This is clearly not that.
I agree Alissa, and it has come out that they were guests of this lady and that she was asking them what they wanted to drink and she couldn’t hear what Jay-z was wanting so she leaned over and was trying to hear him. I guess she’s been harassed so much that she made her Instagram private.
Beyoncé is an icon and she is no more responsible for her fans than any other celebrity. You’ll always have wackos going after people on the internet.
I think people are reacting to Beyonce’s facial expression, like the woman said something she didn’t like??
For all we know Beyonce could have been agreeing with whatever point the woman was making, about something objectionable, and her expression reflected that.
This is getting ridiculous!
….. What am I missing?
You are missing nothing. Because nothing happened. Meanwhile…..
Beyoncé’s gorgeous handbag.
I love that bag!
The comments and memes on Twitter this morning have given me life. Such a delightful distraction from the shitshow going on in the UK and Normandy.
wow that seemed so petty from beyonce.
Literally beyonce just existed but she is being petty?
Thank you!
i should have put “sarcasm” in the brackets. not sorry for being opinionated. i thought that was the point of the comments.
She didn’t do anything though. It’s her fans who are making a big deal out of nothing.
Is she actually reacting to the lady? She looks like she doesn’t feel well and it’s hitting her hard lol I’ve been there when I was pregnant. Trying to hold it together but then I got kinda sweaty and all nauseous 😂
ETA that I’m not implying she’s pregnant. It’s just the closest I can relate to suddenly feeling sick recently lol
I got super prego vibes from her here too. I was the exact same way, about to vom at any second and just generally feeling gross. It was like a perpetual hangover without any of the fun.
I think she looks pregnant too
I thought the same thing re:pregnancy, the draped clothing, the way she was sitting maybe, something sets the bells off. And my GOD she’s beautiful, I was feeling her glow through my beat-up laptop, pregnant or not.
Okay I feel better now about thinking she might be pregnant. I edited to add the not prrgnaby comment because I know bump watch is a (rightfully) controversial thing and I didn’t want to start an argument lol
It must be absolutely exhausting to have every moment of your life in public scrutinised to this degree. Let the lady have some minor resting bitch face for heavens sake! Also poor Becky, I can’t imagine she’s having the best of mornings!
I have RBF, it’s just my face.
Beyonce’s Hair doesn’t look gorgeous, her WIG looks gorgeous
excuse me miss, this is a wendy’s
The hair on Beyoncé’s head looks gorgeous.
There. Fixed it for ya.
Who da fuk cares whether its a wig or real hair? Literally every white celeb ever dyes their hair. You don’t have a bunch of clowns correcting every comment about their hair, which is as manufactured as any wig. Check your white blind spots.
hahahah THIS.
Exactly this!
BEYONCE’s HAIR LOOKS GORGEOUS. That’s it
Eh. It’s in the same vein of pointing out a woman with fake body parts. It’s always been done and pointed out by someone or other. “No, that’s not so and so’s real butt, it’s fake, she got some fix-a-flat.”, etc with those types of comments. I think for some it’s more about praising or putting something bought and paid for above something naturally attained that bothers some women. We (women in general) do it with hair, boobs, eye contacts, butts,BBL’s etc.
“Literally every white celeb ever dyes their hair”
And wears extensions!
Thank you. I am a (white) woman who often wears a wig. Initially it was due to hair loss from chemo but it looked so much better than my “real” hair. It is tacky, rude, and pointless for someone to need to point out (and laugh) that anyone is wearing a wig.
This is the third comment I’ve seen of people ✌🏿Correcting✌🏿 Others about Beyonce’s Hair. So all I will say this:
All of your fave white celebrities use wigs, extensions, and hair pieces on their heads whenever they go out.
Wearing hair pieces is not exclusive to Black women. The Kardashian’s have co-opted that sh-t and on the flip side, Britney been walking around with busted extensions for the better part of a decade.
Beyoncé’s hair, yes, HER hair looks flawless. And if anyone (who wasn’t Black) knew about the artistry required to apply a lace front wig, have the lace melt and blend into your edges properly, you’d be impressed too. Instead of pointing out that a Black woman’s (who has never claimed that all of her current hair was real) hair isn’t really hers, separate from her body/persona, and needing to be complimented, not as an extension, but a completely different entity. And I have never seen this furor to do just that I’m posts with white celebrities. Just the Black ones.
We get it 🙄 Ya’ll ain’t low. Beyoncé makes some people feel some type of way 🤷🏿♀️
Standing OVATION. Yes to all of this.
Thank you for saying this!! These comments are ridiculous, it’s weird and othering to point out Beyonce’s wig multiple times in a thread but people are silent about extensions with white celebrities. I mean Kate Middleton wears pieces too ffs. Are we gonna pretend that’s Ariana Grande’s actual ponytail too? There’s nothing wrong with wigs.
Also to the people who don’t know, a wig is a great way to protect your natural hair from constant handling and damage. This is especially important for someone who is constantly in the public eye.
Hell, I’m so stupid that I didn’t even know it was a wig, I thought it looked great. But yes, we’ve all processed our hair into oblivion, wore wigs, extensions, hair pieces…what have you. If she wants to wear a wig, so be it. She looked good as usual.
And yet, people talk about the Klan’s wigs all the time. People talk about Ariana’s ponytail all the time. People clown Kim Zolziak (sp) all the time. But no one can point out that Beyonce is wearing a wig. Okay, then. Seems the blind spot is the people pretending that Beyonce is beyond any comment that is not deifying. (And I’m a black woman.)
I need a wig.. any experts on here want to help me? Im losing my hair due to alopecia, and at 33 its tough to deal with. I can’t figure out what I’m doing or what I need 🙁
@EMc if you are on Facebook search the group We Love Wigs 2. Send a request to join There is a whole community in that group of women who are dealing with hair loss or who just love wigs and have a ton of info. Also search wigs for beginners or wig tutorials on YouTube. You’re not alone and it will be okay. ❤️
yes.
to the wig commenters: I see you, your racism is showing
When people talk about Zolciack’s wig or Ariana’s pony tail they are making fun of how bad/unnatural they look. Same goes for Britney Spears. With all that money, it STILL looks busted.
That is a conversation to be had.
When people talk about the Kardashian wigs, it’s in the same vein (like that horrendous shaggy bob cut Kim had few months back) but with a added level of, like I said, how they have co-opted specifically lacefront wigs and their creators.
All people are saying now is “Beyoncé’s hair looks good!”
And multiple people are jumping in to ☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻 point out, needlessly, that it isn’t growing out of her scalp. In a way that they don’t do when other white celebrities have GOOD extensions, wigs, pieces, whatever.
And you are being too cute by half if you don’t see the distinction. But please. Keep caping for the selective Hair Truthers.
I see no problem pointing out anyone’s wig or weave or extensions. Rich people, of any color, wearing hair chopped off and sold by poor people will never not seem problematic to me.
I don’t care who likes wigs or wants to wear them. It’s an exploitative industry that preys on poor women from South America and parts of Asia. It’s a load of shit that needs to be addressed. They are women of color too.
Peak concern-trolling in these last two comments (likely typed up on devices that were made by poor people in a distant country). At least hair grows back.
I really don’t get how this is a wig. It looks completely natural. Where are the wig lines??
Lace-front wigs are designed to look like one’s real hair. There’s a way to apply the wig at the hairline so that it blends seamlessly. Drag queens will often wear wigs that are several colors of not natural (purple? pink? blue?) but you wouldn’t be able to tell from the hairline if it’s their real hair without expertise (aside from the fact that they’ll be in different hair the next time you see them.) Look at the recent portrait of Nina West in Paper Magazine for the most natural-looking hairline you’ll ever see in pink hair. (It’s in the DragCon portraits.)
BTW, Julianna Margulies wears wigs in every project now and is apparently evangelical about it. These commenters saying that white celebrities do it all the time are not wrong. Christina Hendricks wore a wig all the time in Mad Men but also wears them all the time on the red carpet as well.
A real wig made of human hair is EXPENSIVE. Upwards of a thousand dollars sometimes. And it is fashion just like clothing, jewelry, or shoes. It’s a luxury to be able to afford this hair, and considering the pressure on black women throughout history to wear hair that is “good” (i.e. white-seeming–straightened, loose, etc. which historically caused a lot of pain from lye burns, etc.) and discrimination against them for wearing natural hair (like prohibitions on dreadlocks, and yes, I’m looking at you, Abercrombie and Fitch) I would never fault anyone for wearing a wig. Especially one that looks this gorgeous.
She bought it honey so it’s HER hair. Just like all the your white faves who wear weaves and extensions too that you dont feel the need to qualify.
People have been wearing wigs since ancient Egypt and lace front wigs since the 17th century. It’s simply another form of hairstyle. Pointing out a wig is petty, childish, and really obnoxious. And I so agree with you, VV.
Everybody gets what’s going on here.
I think the concepts of ‘natural’ and ‘self-acceptance’ sometimes get pushed too far in the other direction and end up getting used for things that really don’t have much to do with tolerance at all. New unfair and unequal standards are applied, and the issue becomes a silencing tool and a weapon for people of all races and genders to use at their convenience.
Why do you feel the need to state that? Says a lot about you, none of it good.
oh please, Kate Middleton wears wigs daily and no one says a word.
*ehem*
Kate wears wiglets and weaves… and yes we have talked about it often. So much so when lak and bluhare were here we had wiglet watch. Articles were about her winglets. Speaking to wiglets and types. How you could tell. And we were called bullies over it. Fans claimed it was all her own hair. It was nuts. Not like this though. A Bey connection and the hive buzzes up a storm.
WigletWatcher!! I missed you! Yes of course I remember the discussions on here with you and the others. I meant the general public, lol. I miss LAK and bluhare too.
This is the team owner and his wife. They would be why Jay and Beyonce have those seats. I am sure Beyonce was fine with everything thing and if she wasn’t then she needs a check. She is not an actual queen afterall
What was the woman supposed to do? Gently get Beyonce’s attention then reverently, with lowered eyes, softly say “If you don’t mind, could you tell your husband x, y and z?”
I’m not saying at all that this is what Beyonce expects. I don’t know what she expects. But this seems to be what her standom demands.
“What was the woman supposed to do?”
Perhaps politely ask if it’s okay to lean in so she can hear rather than shove her way into Beyoncé’s personal space. A loud arena is no excuse to insert yourself into the space of the person next to you without permission. Period. Beyoncé’s celebrity status does not factor. No one. NO ONE. Has a right to invade the personal space of another.
Mrsbanjo was she really in beyonce’s personal space tho? They were sitting right next to each other and those are not big seats. Did Jay z ask beyonce’s permission when he responded to this women? I think everyone is reading into Beyonce’s reaction far too much.
@JADEDONE I can’t reply directly to your comment from my mobile.
Yes, she was in her personal space. And she was also touching her hair and shoulders. It doesn’t matter if Jay-Z was leaning in. He’s Beyoncé’s husband and as such, she can lean in and tell him to knock that shit off without it being controversial. If she said something like that to Curran, Beyoncé would be blamed for being aggressive and there would be endless think pieces about her ego – much the same way many of these comments are playing out.
Mrsbanjo I saw other photos where the two seem to be interacting and laughing. I think the only one who can say she was encroaching on her personal space is B. We are reading a lot into a small snippet of a three hour game. I personally don’t understand why B is getting any heat for this, she made a slight facial expression and everyone wants to imply they knew her true thoughts.
I don’t think Beyonce was annoyed about Nicole talking to Jay however it is uncomfortable to have someone lean over you to talk to someone else. I don’t blame her if she felt a little uncomfortable in that moment. We all have differing degrees of personal space.
If that’s a wig it’s an exceptionally good one.
Exactly! This is my face in every noisy venue when someone encroaches on my personal space to talk to the group. I HATE when people touch me/lean in too close, even if it’s a friend of mine. This would be my face, too, if I knew there were cameras on me but someone was leaning into my lap.
This is such a non-story.
beyonce looks insanely gorgeous…and that is my facial expressions 15 mins into every live sporting event.
Becky with the poor fashion is really leaning a little to much. Of course the venue must be terribly noisy but I hate when people do this. Beyoncé might be uncomfortable with it too.
Becky with the poor fashion indeed 😀
yes…those boots.
I sincerely believe it was an issue of personal space invasion. Peep this —> https://www.instagram.com/p/ByXOBtKJ-MO/?igshid=55dt7hompo5a.
Oooh I just took a few quick looks at her Instagram and she seems…. kooky. Plus that picture is worth a thousand words. Beyoncé didn’t care that she was talking to Jay, she was probably annoyed that the woman kept touching her, invading her space and wouldn’t chill out.
This devil repeatedly puts her outside shoes ON the BED.
That’s ALL I need to know about her.
That is absolutely disgusting. I don’t even allow shoes in my house. Throw the bed away.
Please cremate my remains, because that comment just killed me.
Dupe
Oh WOW. I am suddenly on Team Bey, a place I have never really been before. That lady seems cuckoo.
I can relate to this as this has happened to me. This WW who started working at my job last year thought it was okay to stand really close to me and rub my back. It made me so uncomfortable because I barely knew her and that she thought it was okay. Finally she noticed I was uncomfortable and started using excuses about how she didn’t get enough hugs in her childhood. Um, yet, she wasn’t doing this with the other WW in my department.
Some commenters may not get this or understand how triggering this can be, especially for black women.
I’m sorry this happened to you 🙁 It’s such a hard place to be in because if you react then you’re seen as angry or over-reacting but if you don’t they think their behavior is okay. I’ve had this happen to me, not in the workplace but at school, and when I asked her to stop I got those WW tears. You can probably guess the rest…
This. And reactions to that are not always going to be smiley.
I dont know, to me Beyonce looks ready to cry/upset about something more important than somebody leaning across her to hear what Jay Z is saying. She just goes through too many facial expressions, like she is pushing something down.
But dear Beyhive, Beyonce is an international superstar businesswoman. Please stop acting like she has no agency to swap seats if the leaning was bothering her.
That’s what it looks like to me too. Like she’s not happy about something that has nothing to do with Nicole and Jay talking and she’s just going through the motions.
And the pic Launicaangelina posted right above you kinda confirms that for me
It honestly looks more like Beyoncè just made the expression a lot of women do by accident when we switch off our “friendly, smiling face” and return to a neutral expression. Or she’s tired. Or thinking of something. *shrugs* There’s a lot of potential reasons for that face journey.
Does anyone else think Bey’s face looked like that because she might have gone overboard with the tweaking/injections, so it is hard for her to make her normal facial expressions?
I thought it was Zoe Saldana when I saw the first pic.
Oh, spot-on!
To all the people making a fuss about Beyoncé’s state of mind: I will take sequential pix of you all day and we can all fantasize about what tragedy hit you between 3.45 and 3.49 pm.
Hahhaha! This is so true! I would look like someone kicked my dog but I’m just thinking about lunch.
A good point, for sure! It is only like 12 seconds of her face; mainly it’s me projecting what happens to MY face when I’m smothering feelings. 😂 But idle speculation is what I’m in the comments for, ya know?
Yes! I’m usually glaring at my computer or something, I’m sure I look pissed most of the time.
I’m all for the distraction of celebrity and gossip and all, but whew, sometimes a lot is made of NOTHING.
Yeah – this is why I hate all the body language ‘expert’ talk, too. Most people are going to look strange at different points of the day – every.single.day.
Maybe you feel sick. Maybe you’re focused on something. Maybe you’re worried about something. Maybe you smell something gross. I look awful in candid photos 95% of the time – and have a bit of RBF. If I had people watching my every move they’d think I was an asshole.
This is so true! I’ve got a really twitchy face and tend to frown to stay in control of it and my friends always tell me how pissed I look
I thought that was Kim K in the first picture above!
Things like this are why I really hate social media. A woman leaned over to talk to someone in a noisy place, the wife made an expression. Nothing happened. Yet this is news somehow and the woman was harrassed by thousands of people across the world for it.
Right. Maybe Beyonce is annoyed at the woman. Maybe she has cramps. Maybe she saw someone across the court she didn’t like. We don’t know. And hard to tell from this five second clip what the dynamic is.
As much as I despise strangers walking too close behind me on the sidewalk or sitting too close to me on the bus (I am a massive personal space princess), I would feel WRECKED if any of those benign passersby/busmates were internet mobbed on account of it. JFC people.
A non-story, and yes the Beyhive’s reaction to this is way out of line.
This is so f*cking stupid. Anyone that would be mad at this needs to get a damn life. Is the Beyhive even real? Are they actually real people or robots lol? They have no life I guess.
I don’t think this was intrusive at all. The lady was trying to have a conversation with Jay-Z. I think that Beyonce copping an attitude because some lady deigns to (marginally) invade her space in a crowded noisy venue is what’s incredibly rude. Here’s a newsflash: Beyonce eats, sleeps, and sh!ts just like the rest of us.
I am not young. Can someone help me with the term “Becky”? It’s obviously derogatory, but what specifically does it mean? Someone who is trying to move in on your boyfriend? Like, generally, the “other woman”?
I think it’s a reference to one of her songs where she says ‘hello Becky with the good hair’ and people think the ‘good hair’ part was in reference to non-afro, silky hair so ‘Becky’ could mean some mean white lady. I’m not sure tho. Seeing as the lemonade album was partly about her husband cheating it could just mean ‘other woman’
Let me clarify because white women have gotten this ALL mixed up. There are two Becky references. “Becky” means white woman” “Becky with the good hair” is NOT in relation to white women. It is a reference within the black community for a black woman or WOC with a hair grade that is considered “good” or “white adjacent”. “Becky with the good hair” was never about a white woman.
Thank you for clarifying. I am getting so confused on this ‘Becky’ mess. It seems derogatory just like ‘shiksa’ is for a non Jewish woman. I appreciate this comment so much and honestly, I also appreciate the conversations about personal space as I can be a hugger and will keep all of these points in mind!
Becky is not a derogatory term. It’s slang for a privileged white woman. Like the woman invading Shawn Carter’s wife’s space and actively ignoring her: that’s a Becky move or she’s a Becky.
According to the urban dictionary it is a derogatory term for white women therefore we should stop using it
@valiantly varnished: I’m not white, I’m a black Briton and Becky isn’t a common term in British black culture. The only time I’ve heard of it was in her song so I was just saying what I thought it meant
It’s amazing how the white women commenters form like Voltron to undermine Beyoncé, her bodily autonomy, her mothering, her career, her damn hair, etc every time there’s a post about her. Regardless of what it is about!
It’s so upsetting to read so many people dismiss what is clear rudeness, a clear invasion of space because the woman being intruded, violated is Beyoncé. So many white women see black women as less than women, less than human. How else can you all be actively blind to what is so obvious? I really bummed out by reading these anti-black women comments. There are way too many of them. Celebitchy is one of the few sites that profile black women celebrities but the comments always get flooded by these comments with the subtext that black women are less than. It’s hard to tolerate.
It is amazing, isn’t it?
I’m not trying to dismiss what you are saying, but how can you reach the conclusion that this woman was actively ignoring Beyonce from a ten second (if that) clip? We don’t know what they were talking about, maybe the lady had been talking to Beyonce, Jay-Z said something, and she was responding to him? I just think that painting this woman as the typical white woman who views black women as essentially sub-human is a little presumptuous based off a clip the length of a whisper.
@ Grant
There is other footage of the woman and Beyonce also having a conversation with each other but that wouldn’t get any media attention would it?
@Grant her comment is specifically about comments on THIS thread – not the woman in the video.
Grant I agree, there is a lot being assumed based on a very small clip. I don’t feel comfortable projecting onto Beyonce an emotion that she may or may not have felt. Beyonce is a strong women who doesn’t need protecting from any of us.
Is it really a “clear violation of space”? They were in a noisy place and apparently she’s not a stranger to the couple. For someone who felt so “violated and intruded”, Beyonce didn’t really do much more than make an expression. What is clear to me is you’re making a much bigger deal about this than Beyonce herself did.
@Valiantly Varnished I understand that but she also said “It’s so upsetting to read so many people dismissing what is clear rudeness, a clear invasion of space because the woman being intruded, violated is Beyonce.” I’m saying that from this video, I don’t think there is any clear rudeness or a clear invasion of space on display. We don’t know what they were saying but we do know that it’s a big game in the thick of the NBA finals, so we can be pretty confident that things were loud and chaotic. She may have been leaning over and “violating” Beyonce to ask Jay-Z whether or not he wanted loaded fries with his Bud Lite, for heaven’s sake. I just think it’s a little (ok, very) presumptuous to paint the woman in the video and the readers defending her in these comments as people who minimize the very real injustices black women face on a daily basis.
What are the injustices that I, a black woman, am ignoring by pointing out WW on this thread are dismissing an invasion of a black woman’s space?
Do you think misogynoir does not exist on a spectrum? Do you know what misogynoir means? Or perhaps you coined the phrase and have written on it and I am the one who is clueless about black women’s experiences?
(Y’all making me really really worried about the election)
Beyonce is entitled to feel however she wants about her personal space being invaded (if that’s indeed what made her uncomfortable), but I’m over her silence while her psycho stans harass people all over the internet.
“The Warriors still lost, because even though Steph Curry is Steph Curry, the Warriors were missing Kevin Durant, Klay Thompson and Kevon Looney.”
Naaahhhh…
“The Warriors still lost, because THE RAPTORS CAN’T BE STOPPED #wethenorth”
Fixed it for you 🙂
Preach! Kevin Durant hasn’t played since the 2nd round and may not play at all since he’s a free agent at the end of the season (can’t risk a lousy playoff performance and/or injury).
Raps killed it, especially Lowry, Siakam and Green. Huge win. GO RAPS!!!
… this thread. god help.
+1000. Gross.
Very disappointed in the comments today. Bey doesn’t control the way her Stans act online. Ariana’s Stans are just as bad if not worse and yet I never see people say she should somehow stop them, and she’s a lot more active on social media. Same with Gaga. I wonder why it’s different? But not really. Also, the comments on her hair… almost ALL celebrities wear hair pieces, yet the rush to point it out on Beyoncé, is… interesting.
It all comes across as a huge need in some to put Bey “in her place.” Gross.
I think all of them should get on social media and tell their stans to chill the eff out. This woman is getting death threats. That’s bonkers. Bey should absolutely tell them to cut it out.
yes. but they like it, right? they can’t bite the hands that feed ’em.
@jen she must. Like I know her whole “thing” is being above it all, but she could stop it. She chooses not to. What does that say about her?
Oops double reply.
Sophia
True. I’ll identify a wig or wiglet. Like my name and wiglet watch here… it’s just pointing it out.
Yea it’s a wig. She doesn’t have a gorgeous head of hair that fluctuates length, color and texture by the day. And I see nothing wrong with noting that. For sure there was a triggered response. A personal nerve hit. Not really for wigs, but with the connection to beyonce.
Not like anyone said she’s incapable of growing that hair herself. Then, yes, it would be attack worthy.
This is not a comment about the article but rather how we are responding to one another. Seems like the comments have been getting uglier to one another. Some times tone doesn’t always transfer correctly in written format when one is reading. And I’m talking about across the board CB articles. Not just here. I can see why some long time regulars have stopped commenting. I’m not saying we need to sugar coat everything but I think we can agree there are better ways to get our ideas across.
If we are wrong, educate us. Nothing wrong educating and helping others see the other side. That’s what I love about this site.
Agreed. I’ve seen innocent comments just get swarmed with nasty, self-righteous repsonses. Sometimes the comments section feels more like a competition for who is the wokest or something, instead of a fun gossip site.
@hogtowngooner
I totally agree with you. The comments on this site are absolutely exhausting lately. And God forbid you have an experience to share about something being discussed, as a *gasp* white woman because apparently it means you’re a racist and trying to diminish all black women the world over.
right! as if lecturing and screaming at people will actually change their minds.
Whenever I watch vids of NSU drum corps, specifically Spartans I am in awe how inclusive it is. All sizes all hair no one comments about anything except whether the snares are in tune. BeyJays thing is that they were on their own courtside so ppl comment on every little about them. & sometimes I fall into the trap too. But hey nice to see them being media friendly.
I’m sure it was so loud you couldn’t even hear yourself think, let alone trying to hear someone two seats down. If I was that close to Beyoncé and Jay Z, I would pretend like it wasn’t them. I’m sure they would appreciate it. I have seen many famous people. I’m not impressed by much. LOL. Now, this lady isn’t doing anything wrong. Bey just probably A. Doesn’t like her personal space invaded. B. The lady had beer and hot dog breath. C. She was going out of her way to talk to Jay Z and ignore Bey. No matter the reason, this clip is hilarious.
My own reaction is, if you have to lean over me to speak to someone else (boyfriend/husband/friend/coworker), you are excluding me from the conversation that I am literally physically in between and that is really rude. Either sit back and include me, or have this conversation at a later time. And please respect physical boundaries.
And even if she meant no harm, I can see how the optics are really, really bad. And that’s not even getting into the issues being brought up above about the history of black women and women of color being over shadowed and bumped back.
Night out with the hubby! Three kiddies in care, loving the hair, fashion is fierce…..only to have this chic leaning in her lap…once, twice, thrice?! Nope. I’d be nudging her head out of her ass and back into her assigned seat too!
WHAT?! This lady is the OWNER of the teams wife??? So, she is a friend and that was her seat more than it was Bey & J’s! If this lady is really get 🐝 and death threats, I would be embarrassed if I was Bey. Call the hive off. Ridiculous!
Whew these comments.. We see yall.. The anti Black woman judgemental vitriol
Just for the record re: the white women/black women interaction and how so many people commented that it only happens to WOC that white women overstep their bounds and want to be too friendly or touchy feely. I’m white, with curly hair, and have had probably literally every other ethnicity want to touch my hair and do so without asking. It used to happen to my mother all the time too who had white blond, curly hair that went past her ass (think Daenerys Targaryen with a perm) Everywhere she went when she was my age people would touch her and her hair and comment on it. I don’t think this is something that exclusively happens to WOC.
I love your name.
Thanks 🙂
By the way, it is not my intention with this comment to downplay anyone else’s experiences. I just wanted to mention that it’s happened to this white girl many, many times by many different people. I don’t think it comes down to race or ethnicity, it comes down to people who have no concept of boundaries and personal space.
To the White woman with curly hair. Just because it happens to you, that doesn’t take away from the microagressions when it happens to Black women systemically 👏🏾 👏🏾 👏🏾. Sit down
Sit down is right. She tried this same thing twice in this thread and was already told that that she’s missing something with this angle. I guess she didn’t hear it the first time.
As a white woman, I would like to address the other white women on this thread and invite you all to sit with what some of the women of color here are saying without responding. Feel yourself wanting to respond, then just don’t…because it’s confronting for us white people when systemic racism gets called out and we want to be all, “But, but, but that’s not what I see here!” And really, the truth is our opinions about this don’t really don’t matter. We as white women have HUGE blind spots about this stuff. It would be great if we could hear women of color when they get angry and speak up about issues that they deal with that we have NO idea about because while we may separate ourselves from “those other racists,” we actually benefit from just being white in the world. Our lives may not be easy, but they have never been harder because of our skin color, and that’s something we never, ever think about because we don’t have to. That’s white privilege working for us. So if this lady was invading Beyonce’s space in the opinion of a woman of color, then she was invading her space and it’s not okay.
I think your words have fallen on deaf ears but I appreciate them.
One thing I’ve learned is White privilege means White people don’t have to listen to people of colour. So Black women can say ‘I feel this about that’ for hundreds of years (we have) and it won’t matter. Because White women don’t have to listen to us.
As a white woman, I didn’t actually need another white woman to explain to me what the WOC on this site are telling me.
Keeping my ears open.
I’m amazed at the people who claim that this woman (Becky) is the reason that Beyonce and Jay-Z are at the game, so if she wants to lean all over Beyonce, then Bouncy needs to just suck it up and be grateful. The reality is that Shawn Carter (thank you to the person who reminded me what Jay’s real name is) and Beyonce could cut a check on the spot and purchase BOTH the Warriors and the Raptors. And not even break a sweat. Would Beyonce be allowed to be upset THEN?
The thing that really bothers me is that Jay-Z isn’t correcting this woman. We know there have been ‘issues’ in the past, so Shawn should be EXTRA careful that some woman isn’t auditioning to be his side-piece, and if she is, he needs to govern himself accordingly. Because nobody wants Solange to have to get his ass in an elevator.
As for the hair issue, I wear my hair natural and have for most of my life. I do feel some kind of way about Black women covering up their hair or straightening it as if a woman can’t be beautiful, or acceptable, or PROFESSIONAL with the beautiful hair that God blessed her with. But Beyonce is a grown woman and has made it this far in her life without my opinion. I know what I would say to someone who had an opinion about my locs. I’d tell them their opinion is neither sought or required.
Lol okay. The Raptors are worth an estimated 1.7 billion. The Warriors 3.5 billion. Jay Z just recently reached a billion dollar net worth and Beyonce is in the 300 million range. This all according to Forbes. So no, they couldn’t even write a check for the Raptors alone let alone BOTH teams.
Kerwood,
Since “Forbes has estimated musician and businessman Jay-Z’s net worth at more than $1 billion (€890 million). His wife, Beyonce, has an estimated net worth of $355 million.” and the Warriors are worth 3.5 billion (according to Forbes) and the Raptors are worth 1.7 billion (according to Forbes), that is mathematically impossible.
Secondly, Jay Z and Beyonce will be the only ones whom are aware of whether or not Nicole Curran did something “wrong”. I think everyone can speculate and argue as much as they like. I think it’s awful how people are being. Beyonce doesn’t need keyboard warriors defending her. Curran doesn’t deserve the vitriol.
I do think this whole thing is petty and not worth the negative energy people are putting into it. None of these people, Jay Z, Beyonce, Curran and Lacob, are aware the people spewing vitriol at this woman or those arguing for or against, exist.
Let’s focus on what really matters: Beyonce looked nice, Curran looked nice, the men seemed engaged and vested in the game and the Warriors and Raptors are playing a great series!
-N
@NIK and @Sweet Dee. I guess I over-estimated the Carter family wealth. But neither of you bothered to answer my question, which doesn’t surprise. I don’t know how or why Jay-Z and Beyonce found their way to be at the game. But the implication from some people here is that if Becky paid for the tickets, then Beyonce has to put up with whatever rudeness Becky wants to dole out. As if Becky OWNED them.
And appears that Becky is running true to form, claiming that she was ‘just being nice, waaaaaaah’. But if her ‘niceness’ makes someone uncomfortable, then it’s not so nice, is it.
The responses on this thread are classic. Black women discuss their experiences with disrespect at the hands of intrusive White women. Then a couple of White women come in and say that people always want to touch their ‘naturally curly hair’. Suddenly the experiences of Black women are negated because a couple of White women have suffered too. Which is exactly what the Black women on this thread have been saying.
I am not a member of the Beyhive. I think that Beyonce’s fans are ridiculous. All I know is I’ve been Black all my life and I’ve had countless experiences just like Beyonce is having in that clip. I don’t have to guess or assume she’s uncomfortable. I know she is. Because I’ve been EXACTLY where she is. And my hair is naturally curly too.
Kerwood: Beyonce’s and Nicole’s husbands are both part owners of NBA teams. (As spouses, these women may themselves be part owners too, I personally hope they are but I don’t know how the contracts are written.) The point is they enjoy EQUAL status at NBA games as owners. Beyonce enjoys higher status because she, in addition, is a superstar. Nicole married Joe less than a year ago, she is hardly auditioning to be anybody’s side piece. Is she thirsty? Of course she is. Is she annoying? Eh, probably. Would she intentionally (or even unintentionally) dis Beyonce, the superstar of our times? No, she certainly would not, because she knows she’s not even close to the same league. For the love of all that is holy, she leaned over to make a comment to a person near her just as you or I would at a concert or other noisy event. Imagine if we’d all been at Barclays Center and Beyonce leaned over Nicole to make a comment to Joe. Would you be commenting so vehemently?
This thread is nuts. This woman is friendly with Beyoncé and Jay Z, she invited them to this game, as she has before.
She’s now come out and said that when this video was taken she was asking Jay Z if he wanted lime with his vodka soda, and she couldn’t hear his answer because it was loud (you can see him say ‘vodka’ and her say ‘with lime’ in the video). Poor woman’s getting death threats because she was trying to get her guests drinks.
Here’s a thought though.
Wouldn’t it have been more effective for her to ask Jay via Beyonce who was seated next to her? Beyonce could have answered or checked with Jay and conveyed it to Nicole. There was no need for any leaning over Beyonce. Now the beyhive attacks were over the top for sure but since we’re on here analyzing this – imo Nicole was being rude and intrusive to lean over Bey multiple times like that and there was no need to. Talk to Bey dammit.
For goodness sake, this is how people talk to each other at sporting events! They might even stand up and cheer, blocking the view of the person behind them. It’s not a “slight” to other spectators. Has nobody here ever gone to a sporting event? Talk about “manufactured” outrage.
I am pretty sure they were the Lacob’s guests, the same as last year. So, if Bey gave her shade, it was probably because Nicole was dressed like a hooker and Bey thinks she’s trashy. There, I said it.
Seriously? Beyonce’s worn pretty much that exact outfit to games before (booty shorts, thigh high boots and a long jacket). She’s also worn things like lycra body suits and jumpsuits with a plunge down to her navel. I highly doubt she was judging Curran’s outfit, but if she was she’d be quite the hypocrite.
Just no. Not this game. I highly doubt Beyoncé is that invested in female modesty. She wears whatever she wants and associates and collaborates with women who wear whatever they want. One doesn’t have to be slut-shamed to defend the other.
Whatever she’s thinking or feeling, she can stand up for herself. Her crazy fans gotta sit down.
Beyonce’ has thick, full head of natural hair. Her hairdresser posts it all the time. Her mother also has thick, curly natural hair.
My gut reaction to this is Beyonce doesn’t like whatever drink Jay just ordered AND/OR she finds the woman annoying.
I seriously doubt that she felt threatened in this moment. I can’t believe this cheesy woman Nicole actually received death threats. That is crazy. I hope Beyonce speaks out about it.
Making memes and jokes is one thing, but threats? Not ok.
Too all the commenters up top- Wig, natural, nose job, no nose job, thick, skinny- makes no difference. He still cheated on her. Has nothing to do with what she looks like.
This thread is awful. I wonder if anyone here has ever been to a noisy venue?
Beyoncé and her husband know this lady and are clearly at a level of frankness where they were invited to watch a game with them.
People have made a mountain out of a molehill over a 10 second clip.
I think she’s annoyed. If she is, that would be my exact reaction, politely smile and then adjust myself so that I can reclaim my space.
I want to thank the woc that spoke up about this. I’m a ww and, although I never have touched anyone’s hair and asked “what are you”, I am guilty of some things that I realize now are not appreciated.I mean well, but that doesn’t matter. Long story short, I am going to check my behavior and definitely change my behavior.thank you.
People need to chill out. I’m sure that Beyonce is not okay with her followers bullying others.