Writer & advice columnist E. Jean Carroll accuses Donald Trump of rape


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E. Jean Carroll is a writer and advice columnist. She is 75 years old. She appears on the latest cover of New York Magazine because she’s ready to talk about all of the rotten, disgusting men who hurt her throughout her life. She’s written a book called What Do We Need Men For? A Modest Proposal, and NY Mag got an exclusive first excerpt, all about the “hideous men” who have hurt her, assaulted her and molested her. She names Les Moonves and describes how he assaulted her on an elevator in 1997. But this excerpt is mainly about how Donald Trump raped her in a Bergdorf’s dressing room in either late 1995 or early 1996. E. Jean understands that Trump would deny that anything took place (as he already has) and she understands that with the sorry state of America today, “I run the risk of making him more popular by revealing what he did.” You can read the full excerpt here. Here’s the Trump section, with some edits for space:

This is during the years I am doing a daily Ask E. Jean TV show for the cable station America’s Talking, a precursor to MSNBC launched by Roger Ailes (who, by the way, is No. 16 on my list). Early one evening, as I am about to go out Bergdorf’s revolving door on 58th Street, and one of New York’s most famous men comes in the revolving door, or it could have been a regular door at that time, I can’t recall, and he says: “Hey, you’re that advice lady!” And I say to No. 20 on the Most Hideous Men of My Life List: “Hey, you’re that real-estate tycoon!” I am surprised at how good-looking he is. We’ve met once before, and perhaps it is the dusky light but he looks prettier than ever. This has to be in the fall of 1995 or the spring of 1996 because he’s garbed in a faultless topcoat and I’m wearing my black wool Donna Karan coatdress and high heels but not a coat.

[Trump suggests that E. Jean help him pick out a gift, and they spend some a brief amount of time looking at hats and purses, before he lures her into the lingerie department.]

I have no recollection where lingerie is in that era of Bergdorf’s, but it seems to me it is on a floor with the evening gowns and bathing suits, and when the man and I arrive — and my memory now is vivid — no one is present. There are two or three dainty boxes and a lacy see-through bodysuit of lilac gray on the counter. The man snatches the bodysuit up and says: “Go try this on!”

“You try it on,” I say, laughing. “It’s your color.”

“Try it on, come on,” he says, throwing it at me. “It goes with your eyes,” I say, laughing and throwing it back. “You’re in good shape,” he says, holding the filmy thing up against me. “I wanna see how this looks.”

“But it’s your size,” I say, laughing and trying to slap him back with one of the boxes on the counter. “Come on,” he says, taking my arm. “Let’s put this on.” This is gonna be hilarious, I’m saying to myself — and as I write this, I am staggered by my stupidity. As we head to the dressing rooms, I’m laughing aloud and saying in my mind: I’m gonna make him put this thing on over his pants!

The moment the dressing-room door is closed, he lunges at me, pushes me against the wall, hitting my head quite badly, and puts his mouth against my lips. I am so shocked I shove him back and start laughing again. He seizes both my arms and pushes me up against the wall a second time, and, as I become aware of how large he is, he holds me against the wall with his shoulder and jams his hand under my coat dress and pulls down my tights.

I am astonished by what I’m about to write: I keep laughing. The next moment, still wearing correct business attire, shirt, tie, suit jacket, overcoat, he opens the overcoat, unzips his pants, and, forcing his fingers around my private area, thrusts his penis halfway — or completely, I’m not certain — inside me. It turns into a colossal struggle. I am wearing a pair of sturdy black patent-leather four-inch Barneys high heels, which puts my height around six-one, and I try to stomp his foot. I try to push him off with my one free hand — for some reason, I keep holding my purse with the other — and I finally get a knee up high enough to push him out and off and I turn, open the door, and run out of the dressing room.

The whole episode lasts no more than three minutes. I do not believe he ejaculates. I don’t remember if any person or attendant is now in the lingerie department. I don’t remember if I run for the elevator or if I take the slow ride down on the escalator. As soon as I land on the main floor, I run through the store and out the door — I don’t recall which door — and find myself outside on Fifth Avenue.

And that was my last hideous man. The Donna Karan coatdress still hangs on the back of my closet door, unworn and unlaundered since that evening. And whether it’s my age, the fact that I haven’t met anyone fascinating enough over the past couple of decades to feel “the sap rising,” as Tom Wolfe put it, or if it’s the blot of the real-estate tycoon, I can’t say. But I have never had sex with anybody ever again.

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E. Jean interrupts the story mid-way to note that she never reported this to the police, and that she told two close friends about it just after it happened. One friend begged her to go to the police, and the second friend begged her to stay quiet because “He has 200 lawyers. He’ll bury you.” She says that at some point, Bergdorf’s probably had security footage of them entering the lingerie department, but obviously, Bergdorf’s wouldn’t still have 25-year-old security footage still to this day. She also says that the reason she never came forward before is because she knew what she would get the second she told her story: “Receiving death threats, being driven from my home, being dismissed, being dragged through the mud, and joining the 15 women who’ve come forward with credible stories about how the man grabbed, badgered, belittled, mauled, molested, and assaulted them, only to see the man turn it around, deny, threaten, and attack them, never sounded like much fun. Also, I am a coward.” I believe her.

As I said, Trump has denied everything. I believe her. Donald Trump is a rapist and a serial sexual predator. I believe all the women.

President Donald Trump returns to the White House

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  1. TaniaOG says:

    I believe her.

    • lisa says:

      I have no doubt whatsoever that she is telling the truth. And this is the horrid human the American People allowed to sit in the highest office.

      He wants to be elected President again to shield himself from legal issues. If he is not elected (Pray and Vote to make sure it doesn’t happen) he is going to JAIL. Being President is his way of avoiding it. you can see how desperate he is. He scared.

    • (TheOG)@Jan90067 says:

      I TOTALLY believe her! That pond scum has already bragged about just “grabbing and kissing” any woman he wanted to, w/out permission. That vomitous pile of skin! Imagine those anus lips coming at you! *shudder*. #IBeliveHER

    • LahdidahBaby says:

      Yes, I believe her, too. The scariest thing is that there are likely many other women Trump has sexually assaulted over the years who have remained silent. He admitted this malevolent hobby himself on the Access Hollywood tape, and we have all heard it. “I just grab ‘em by the pussy…You can do anything you want if you’re a star.”

    • Megan says:

      Remember when he never met Stormy Daniels, and then he never paid her off, and then he didn’t know about the payment, and then he did know about the payment but so what?

      E. Jean is absolutely telling the truth.

    • Bella DuPont says:

      I’ve stopped paying attention to him. It’s pointless and all the accusations are true.

      What I pay very careful attention to now, are the people who still support and defend him. I have a little list and the reasons for their support (yes, I’m a petty little bitch like that). Because these people have something broken in them. And they’re going to deny supporting him in years to come. Once he’s taken his place amongst the most beastly leaders of the world.

      They’ll lie and pretend they never said the parents of the immigrant, caged children were the ones at fault, or that the women are lying gold diggers, or that he’s a genius with the economy, or that he didn’t really mean “shithole”, or “nasty”, etc.

      They will deny it and I want to be able to give them dates, events and quotes so they can’t deny that they are also evil, inconsiderate pieces of shit.

      Like him.

    • Anne Call says:

      Just hoping and praying that Ronan Farrow is working on a story that exposes Trump’s probably very Harvey Weinstein like past. And that this opens the floodgates for more women to come forward. I know a reporter friend of mine talked to at least one women in NYC who was too scared to go public in 2016.

  2. CherHorowitz says:

    It continues to baffle me that there’s so many people that wouldn’t believe this story. So, so sad. There comes a point when there’s been so many accusers, it wouldn’t even matter if 90% of them were lying (which they clearly aren’t), he would still have done so many awful things. He mental gymnastics required to suggest this couldnt be true are just… unimaginable

    • Bettyrose says:

      I wonder if it’s really don’t believe as much as don’t care/don’t have a problem with it. His minions love living vicariosly through this man who literally does whatever TF he wants and always gets away with it. He’s the walking personification of toxic masculinity and the minions feed off it.

      (Awesome name, btw, cherhorowitz)

      • Becks1 says:

        This is what makes me so sad about these stories. I felt the same way about Christine Blasey Ford. Its not that the Republicans/Trump supporters didn’t believe her, and don’t believe E Jean Carroll – its that they don’t care. They either think “eh, that’s what happens, she didn’t protest loud enough” or they just.don’t.care. I could understand their position more if I thought they didn’t BELIEVE them. but I think they believe these women. They don’t care. and I find that depressing as fuck.

      • Tasty says:

        A recent survey had 14% of respondents saying they DO believe the sexual assaults allegations about Trump AND ALSO will be voting for him.
        They know it’s true. They don’t care.

      • Seraphina says:

        Tasty, no they don’t care. Which is so damn sad.

      • Cindy says:

        @Tasty
        I remember being depressed for a long time when I noticed that (not for a survey, but surfing through the internet). I thought it was about society not believing victims, and, I mean, in great part it is. But it goes deeper than that. There’s people who genuinely don’t care if he’s rapist or not. And what’s worse, and this is what really depressed me… there’s a not small group of people who like him for that. Rapists and abusers, like him, who enjoy the idea that the whole world can know about your sexual misdemeanor and you can still be POTUS.

      • BeanieBean says:

        It’s the don’t care part, which makes it all the worse.

      • Otaku fairy... says:

        And now he’s basically encouraging his stans to harass her.

      • CherHorowitz says:

        God, you are totally right. And it is absolutely worse. The horrific liklihood is that a lot of his supporters like him MORE for it, i.e. would love to do these things given half the chance and the status to know they’d get away with it. (Saying that, even ‘normal’people are much more likely to get away with it than be punished, but I digress.) But there are also people who have an instinctive reaction to a sexual assault story that the woman is lying for money and/or attention, but perhaps that’s easier for them to digest than supporting a ‘bad guy’.

        (P.s thanks! She is my always and forever icon and nostalgic reminder of my youth)

    • Anne Call says:

      Almost Everyone believes these stories, it’s just a percentage of, mainly men, don’t care and probably even think that they have a right to treat women this way. Ugh, my faith in people after electing trump is very very low.

      Remember most of these people loved that trump brought women that had accused Bill Clinton of various crimes to one of the debates. It’s bad when a democrat acts immoral, but every lady accusing trump is a liar.

    • Megan says:

      These are the same people who believe Obama was born in Kenya and Hillary ran a pedo ring out of a pizza restaurant.

  3. Sue Denim says:

    He is as bad a human as they get. How he’s gotten away with it for so long is just baffling. And worse, how anyone, let alone the Christian evangelicals, can love this guy is just beyond me. It’s almost biblical in the sense of worshipping false idols…

    • launicaangelina says:

      Yes, he’s their golden calf.

    • Tate says:

      Evangelicals have shown us who they are. They care about power and keeping people down. If a heaven and hell exist I think evangelicals will be surprised where they end up.

    • AnnaKist says:

      To quote Greg Griffin and Brett Gurewitz, “The Process of Belief is an elixir when you’re weak…”

      I believe this lady.

    • Original T.C. says:

      They don’t care if it’s true or not. As long as he keeps “owning the libs”, destroying Roe V. Wade and preventing Brown people from entering the country, he can do whatever the heck he wants and retain his support base. He is essentially a folk hero to them so the rules of moral/ethical/human behavior don’t apply to him.

      The press is not covering it because they know it makes no difference to his base and it’s no longer shocking to the average person that Trump is a rapist. It’s not going to get them views. No views = no money.

    • Tasty says:

      Most men in power get away with things like this.
      I do political image consulting. Every man – EVERY MAN – we’ve ever looked into has some sexual assault in his past; a girlfriend in high school, an office assistant somewhere, etc, etc.

      They’re talked out of coming forward, or paid off, or terrified, or blackmailed.

      • Sue Denim says:

        Wow Tasty…that’s horrifying…but in light of what we’ve been through the past few years, I guess not all that surprising. Thanks for sharing…

      • buensenso says:

        I refuse to believe this. not all men can be monsters. I know politicians are greedy and all kinds of stuff, but this claim sounds quite extreme.

  4. BengalCat😻 says:

    I believe her too. But I don’t believe anything will ever come of it. His supporters eat this shit up.

    • Flora Kitty says:

      Sadly, he could rape the child of one of his supporters and the parents would consider it an honor.

      • Athyrmose says:

        @florakitty it’s way too early for a post with this level of crudity and callousness.

        We know he’s a monster. No need to post fanfic about pedophelia.

      • Bettyrose says:

        Crude and callous are perfectly appropriate here. It’s no time to be lady like, and honestly it’s probably true. How many of the female deplorables know these accusations are true because they’ve had similar experiences? Yet bash the accusers because the normalization of rape somehow works with their own world view?

      • Jerusha says:

        You want crude and callous, Athyrmose? Here’s crude and callous for you. One of trump’s Border Officials Monsters doesn’t believe that access to soap and water and bedding is required for detained, warehoused children. The judges, however, reamed her out. Enjoy!
        https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1142151178177978368?s=21

      • Tasty says:

        Athyrmose is right. Making up weird hypotheticals and getting really het up about them is more of a MAGA thing to do. Let’s not.

      • Athyrmose says:

        Thank you, Tasty.

        Y’all are going to have a hard time convincing me that hyperbolic posts about raping children are beneficial.

        Also, I’m a whole black woman living in the confederate south. You shouldn’t be lecturing me about anything, TBH. Go talk to your 53%, and act.

      • Bella DuPont says:

        The sad fact is that Flora Kitty is absolutely 1,000,000% right. It’s isn’t her post that’s sick and twisted, it’s the monster you guys voted in that’s sick and twisted….and his psychopathic followers.

        Didn’t he get accused of raping a 13 year old? Where is that girl now? Isn’t/wasn’t he friends with Epstein the paedophile? Wasnt he a regular to paedophile-island? Doesn’t he feel up his own daughter right in front of our eyes? Didn’t he make sick, sex based comments about a 12 year old Paris Hilton? GMAFB!

        This is why the live keep getting trounced. They just never seem to be able to grasp just how twisted their opponents are. Good luck beating Trump again, if you can’t even see the size of the monster you’re dealing with.

      • Bella DuPont says:

        Live = Libs

      • Bettyrose says:

        Bella Dupont: 👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋 Standing ovation. Thats the brutal truth.

    • Esmom says:

      Yes they actually seem to take pleasure in trashing the victims. The comments I saw on Twitter yesterday, all predictably along the lines of “no one would ever want to have sex with such an unattractive woman” made my stomach clench and my heart hurt.

      It’s really astonishing how the POTUS used to work for the people, be accountable to the people. Now his supporters seem not to care at all about what he’s doing or not doing for them but instead exist to support and defend him. It’s truly insane.

    • BeanieBean says:

      Jerusha: wow, I cannot believe the pretzel logic that woman was twisting herself into. She’ll probably be SHS’s replacement.

  5. anna says:

    I belive her.

  6. 10KTurtle says:

    Next steps:
    1. “I don’t know her. I never saw her before in my life.”
    2. Photo of Trump clearly seeing Carroll is published.
    3. “Well she’s ugly so I wouldn’t have raped her.”
    4. Media moves on to the next awful thing he does.

    • Devon says:

      This^^^

    • otaku fairy... says:

      Yep. He already tried to deny having ever met her, but there’s photographic evidence disproving that.

    • Lightpurple says:

      1 & 2 happened Friday

    • Christin says:

      Sadly, I think we’ll be at #4 by Tuesday.

      I watched Ms. Carroll’s interview with Lawrence, and I completely believe her. She struggles with blaming herself to this day. As a comedy writer, she has attempted to outwardly mask that episode with humor to the degree she can, but the mix of emotions still shows on her face.

    • Louisa says:

      “4. Media moves on to the next awful thing he does.” — the media moved on 5 secs after the article came out. It wasn’t a blip on the news shows and the NYT had the story in their BOOK section.

    • hogtowngooner says:

      Exactly. The media has learned NOTHING from 2016.

  7. SJR says:

    Trump is a complete failure as a human being.

    • Elisabeth Smith says:

      I think he fails completely in any species

    • Some chick says:

      Yeah, let’s not besmirch humanity by calling him one!

      This just breaks my f’n dark little heart. I adore E. Jean. I’m not surprised this happened to her, I’m not surprised he did what he did, and I’m not surprised she reacted how she reacted.

      It is basic socialization for women and girls to tolerate bullsh*t from men and bays. “Boys will be boys!” And girls will suffer for it.

      Enough!!!

  8. oui oKi says:

    I used to love her column in Elle magazine around that time. she had a very unique take on advice with lots of optimism
    sad to hear about this

    • Harryg says:

      I didn’t realize at first that this was her. Yeah, her advice is always interesting and smart, I like that column.

    • ChillyWilly says:

      I also remember the Ask E. Jean column for Elle. I read it every month. This is so disturbing. I 100% believe her.

      • oui oKi says:

        yeah I read so many magazines as a teen monthly and this was the highlight by far. vogue used to have good articles too or is that just because I was young with a low standard?

    • BeanieBean says:

      That’s where I know her name from. I always read her column. She’s a great writer, and her description of this awful event in her life is riveting.

  9. Is it wrong of me to want to bag and tag that dress send it to a lab?
    I’d love to see the mental gymnastics from the folks that lost their shit over a blue dress (from a CONSENSUAL relationship) mansplain this.

    • (TheOG)@Jan90067 says:

      I was thinking the same thing, the moment I read that sentence! His DNA has to be all over it. It *should* go to a lab, pronto!

    • LahdidahBaby says:

      A very interesting thought. I wish they would “bag and tag” it.

    • Larelyn says:

      Fyi – she is wearing the same coatdress in the cover pic. I don’t think that was made clear up above

    • Sunnee says:

      Once I read that it’s never been laundered, I was like, “let’s send it to the lab for DNA analysis”. I wonder if that’s why she mentioned it?
      Rubbing my hands together hoping that this will be the thing that brings him down. Then reality bites… it won’t!!
      NYC mayor says the NYPD will investigate if they get a complaint. He’s subtly urging her to file a criminal complaint.

      • Christin says:

        Two attorneys stated Friday that they believe her allegations could result in a 1st degree rape charge in NY, which has no statute of limitations. However, Ms. Carroll stated Friday evening (on Lawrence’s show) that she does not intend to file charges. Maybe she will reconsider.

      • Some chick says:

        She probably doesn’t want to have to go through it all over again. Can’t say I blame her for that.

        I’m so brokenhearted over learning this. I have always adored E. Jean. She’s a phenomenal writer with a unique voice. And she deserves better!

        I have to read it, but I will have to work up to it. </3

      • Tasty says:

        Unfortunately not, the statute of limitations for first-degree rape in New York was only five years during the mid-1990s. New York updated the law in 2006 to the current standard, no statue of limitations on first degree rape, which is obviously what it ALWAYS SHOULD HAVE BEEN, but the new law doesn’t apply to cases in which the statute of limitations has already expire.

        SCOTUS case was Stogner vs. California.

    • Laura says:

      Although New York now has no statute of limitations for rape, the (newish) law only applies to crimes committed in 2001 going forward. I think Ms. Carroll said that this happened in 1996 or 1997, so there could be no prosecution even if they came up with DNA evidence. Of course, it would still be great to have scientific proof that he did it.

    • BeanieBean says:

      I was thinking the same thing.

  10. Amanduh says:

    How terrifying for her. That is sickening and awful. What a disgusting piece of garbage this man is. I hope its giving her some kind of closure or validation at least to publicly tell her story.

  11. Jenns says:

    It’s making me rage that this is getting zero coverage.

    An alleged rapist is putting children in filthy nails at the border, but he has people who go nuts for him at his rallies, so let’s treat him like a rock star.

    • Goldie says:

      The lack of coverage is jarring to me as well. If this were any other president, it would be dominating the headlines. Unfortunately, we’ve become desensitized to his cruel, vulgar behaviour, so it barely makes a ripple.

    • Harryg says:

      Those magahat-loonies at his rallies creep me out. This whole story is so sickening and sad and infuriating.

    • (TheOG)@Jan90067 says:

      You do realize that there are ads on Craigslists to get AISs (a$$es in seats) for those rallies?? I saw several screenshots on Twitter the day of his last rally, saying they’ll pay between $20-100 (I guess dep. on where they’d be put in the stands). Otherwise those rallies would be 2/3rds empty.

    • Jennifer says:

      I think it’s not getting coverage because we’ve sadly heard it all before. And still, nothing happens.

    • Darla says:

      More and more reporting came out over the past week that indeed, these children are basically in torture camps, so the idea that the same people who are okay with torturing children are going to pause over trump raping a then-50 yo woman is ludicrous. I can’t really think about anything other than the fact that we are torturing children myself. Yeah, he raped this woman. I 100% believe her. I am certain he raped many women.

      But we are torturing children. Right now.

  12. GMonkey says:

    For the record: I think that polygraphs are 99% BS. Buuuut…I would love for there to be a live televised townhall event where a citizen and a retired FBI expert polygraph administer challenge him to a live on the spot test as to his sexual assault and rape allegations. I’m sure that he would refuse–but the look on his face, the immediate upper lip sweat, the reddening of the face, the scent of fear, the likely scent of fecal material instantly filling his diapers. That would be precious.

    • oh-dear says:

      I am sure it would not be accurate. He is able to believe his lies, rendering a polygraph useless on him.

    • BeanieBean says:

      Nah, he’s lies so frequently & expertly & with zero thought or emotion it wouldn’t matter. He’d refuse or not, but it wouldn’t matter.

  13. Digital Unicorn says:

    I believe her – EVERYONE know he has a loooooooong history of sexual assault and abuse. He is a monster.

    I am scared that he will start a war with Iran, we know he suddenly pulled out at the last moment (I wish his father had) but the question remains will he follow through with his threats? The UK has sent one of our diplomats over to Iran to try and smooth the situation.

  14. Tootsie McJingle says:

    I just can’t with his supporters. They claim there’s no proof. If there are at least 15 other women with similar stories, how is that not in the very least concerning? None of them are the least concerned. You know why? Because his base straight up believes all women are liars.

    • Snowflake says:

      Because they feel that if a woman is attacked, she did something to cause it. Like “dressing slutty.” In their world, women are responsible for the sexual actions of men. Because we are supposed to be the gatekeeper that keep men from doing bad things. I was visiting relatives who insisted on talking about the Kavanaugh hearings. I had asked them not to talk about politics because I am a Democrat and they are Republicans. But my stepdad’s brother was so upset about it…this woman didn’t come forward when it supposedly happened, she’s a liar! I said i didn’t talk about my rape for years. We were in a car together, trapped because he insisted on talking about this. We were all worked up at this point. Another relative goes well, you used to dress like a slut back then. I said so? It doesn’t mean i deserved to be raped. Then that person backtracked but it was insight into why i rebelled against that upbringing when i was young. This is what they truly believe. That you’re asking for it.

    • Sean says:

      Or worse, they just don’t care because they think the end justifies the means. I recall discussing Trump’s history with women with my Mom (a lukewarm Trump supporter) during the 2016 election. I showed her an article that detailed every instance from Ivana’s claim of rape to the most recent (at that time) accusations. My Mom just shrugged and said “Oh it’s well known how he is” and assured me she didn’t like him as a person but he was still a better option than Hillary “because.”

      My Mom is a “Christian” who thinks Trump’s a narcissist and doesn’t want anything to do with him as a person. However, she feels he’s kept his campaign promises (like on immigration, for example). Meanwhile, she thinks Clinton and Obama were two of our worst presidents and Bill was an absolute disgrace for what he did with Monica.

      None of it makes sense to me and the 2016 election revealed a lot about my parents I didn’t know (or like). I’ve been talking about all of this with a friend (who’s a Baptist minister) who’s equally flabbergasted at the support Trump receives from “Christians.” In my mind there are several reasons that I can think of 1) most of them are older, white and watch Fox or OAN. 2) Trump actually has much in common with the televangelists a lot of “Christians” admire. Check out the documentary “In God We Trump” for more on that. 3) he (falsely) represents a time when things were “better.”

      I also believe most people who voted from him know how bad he is, yet refuse to admit it because they’d have to face their part in it all. So we have something like a sunk cost fallacy.

      • Livvers says:

        I also find it flabbergasting how Facebook seems to have destroyed so many Baby Boomers’ critical thinking skills. Like I *know* Sunday dinner conversations used to have way more intellectual rigor than many of our parents seem to be able to muster up these days. Is it Facebook, age, or Facebook+age that seems to have turned our parents into people we don’t know anymore?

        No offence to any of you boomers out there, I find that after 2 or 3 years of my mother getting sucked in to Facebook, she still uses it just as much, but her critical thinking skills are back. Maybe since Boomers didn’t grow up with the internet they are more vulnerable to the initial mindsuck that social media is, but most will eventually find a balance just everyone else…

      • Elkie says:

        So Trump married two women who worked in the US illegally, the latter of which fraudulently acquired an Einstein visa and brought her no degree, no job-having parents into the country by chain migration; employed undocumented migrant workers for at least fifteen years, reserved dozens of jobs at Mar-a-Health-Code-Violation every year for foreign nationals over US citizens, manufactures almost every Trump brand item abroad and has actually INCREASED Southern border crossings by tens of thousands A MONTH from where Obama left office, while the cost to the taxpayer of running the concentration camps has crossed the billion dollar-mark, but he’s keeping his promises on immigration?!

        It’s almost like the cruelty is the point. God knows it ain’t any kind of Christianity.

      • Sunnee says:

        @Elkie. Has her obtaining the Einstein visa ever been investigated? Someone with clout had to have helped her get it. I know I’ll sound like a tin-hat-wearing-conspiracy-theorist, but I’ve honestly wondered if she was a plant by Russia, and this was plotted for years.

      • Sean says:

        @Livvers. You may have a point there about social media. My Mom loves Facebook. She cuddles up with her tablet every night and scrolls through FB looking at posts from “friends” she hasn’t spoken to in 20 years. When I cite studies about the effects of Facebook she waves them off because it’s allowed her to “reconnect” with people she hasn’t seen in years and catch a glimpse of what’s occurring in their lives. Mind you, she doesn’t actually reach out beyond comments or “likes”. Never picks up the phone and never proposes get-togethers, yet she feels she’s “in touch”. I counter that if these people mean so much, why didn’t you make a more concerted effort to stay in touch the first time around?

        As she’s used FB more and more, I’ve watched her critical-thinking skills deteriorate, just as your mother’s has. My mother’s an LPN and I gave her this hypothetical: if she were in charge of hiring a new employee on a nursing staff, would she hire a candidate that has a documented history of mistreating patients and malpractice? She answered no. I then asked why she thought Trump would be a good president given his history in business and personal relationships. She answered it wasn’t the same thing because the president doesn’t have a direct effect on a person’s life the same way a nurse does. I countered by pointing out the family separations occurring at the boarder as his policy is having a direct effect on those lives. She stated “it’s heartbreaking to watch parents be separated from their children but those people shouldn’t be trying to sneak into the country.” I informed her these were families seeking asylum (a legal way of entering the country) at legal check points. She replied she knows what she’s talking about as she’s watched Youtube videos of immigrants sneaking in by hiding in car trunks as the vehicles cross the border.

        It’s maddening, truly maddening and I have no answer for it.

        @Elkie. You are absolutely right. Part of me hopes Jesus is real and these “Christians” will have to answer directly him when they die. I can only imagine how those encounters would go. I hope they sell tickets because I’d love to be there to see it.

      • Kylie says:

        I remember during all of the coverage of Roy Moore, one of his accusers talked about being a Trump supporter. All I could think was how you support someone who has been accused of many of the same things.

      • BeanieBean says:

        Livvers: my critical thinking skills are fine & dandy, thank you. Stop with the ageist nonsense, please.

    • serena says:

      No, I think it’s because they don’t care.

  15. Rapunzel says:

    Donald Trump puts the POS in POTUS. Apologies to any actual POS.

  16. hnmmom says:

    I believe her.

  17. Teebee says:

    Man, do I believe her. The way she expresses herself is incredible. She’s everywoman. She is why women scream into the sky when they finally reveal the truth and are damned for: laughing, going with, thinking it’ll be ok, knowing the truth, waiting, wanting to tell the truth but being afraid, for finally telling the truth…

    I despise Donald with the power of an infinite number of suns. But he is one man. Flawed, coarse, arrogant, spoiled, spiteful, petty. But I hate his supporters more. Donald is what he is, even through the lying almost everyone knows the kind of man he has and will always be. It is the supporter that has the choice. And his supporters, as a general rule it seems, prefers to champion and glorify the disgusting behaviour, to their own detriment. And through their endorsement they reveal themselves to be worse then Donald.

    The battle for the heart for the US right now is not right or left. It’s good vs. evil.

    God help us all if evil wins.

    • Esmom says:

      Well said. I had a brief period of hope after the midterm elections but more and more, I honestly don’t see good winning. I’m beside myself with rage and grief every. single. day.

      • Sean says:

        This is my fear as well. I remember taking the day off from work to vote in the mid-terms. While the process actually didn’t take up the entire day, I felt the outcome was urgent and important enough to not let anyone get in the way of casting my vote. I was at my polling place before the doors opened and voted straight blue. Since then, I’ve watched the Democrats do nothing but putz around. In a way, I understand slow-walking impeachment against Trump especially since there’s an ongoing counter-intelligence investigation. However, I can’t for the life of me understand why they don’t hold Barr, McGahn and Hicks in contempt of court. Hell, Barr defied a Congressional subpoena and all they did was joke that he’s a “chicken.” What the Hell? I hope the Dems are acting like this because they have information the public isn’t privy to (they have to know something). However, it’s so difficult to keep the faith when so little action has been taken.

        Part of me fears they’re not acting because they secretly like the precedent that’s being set (elected official ignoring court orders) and hope to exploit that if they ever find themselves back in power. It something that shouldn’t be tolerated by anyone.

  18. Lulu says:

    This is so much bigger than Trump. Because it’s everywhere. Every woman I know has her own list of disgusting men who made it through life sexually harassing or assaulting people only to go on and hold powerful or respected positions; or to just go on with no repercussions. And most women, from every generation, at best are taught to quietly complain amongst themselves at sorority meetings and happy hours. At worst we internalize it and defend the man. We still defend men.
    I always have and always will blame the silent complicity of women in the continued misogynist behavior and culture of toxic men. Grandmother’s, mothers, sisters, women needing validation, women who are insecure, etc continue to stand by these men. I don’t care who men defend because they are just half the population and power is in numbers. Women me to STOP. We need to defend one another and hold men accountable. It’s the only way this will change.

    • ChillyWilly says:

      Well said LuLu. We outnumber (and definitely outsmart) these bastards. We all need to keep resisting the patriarchy.

    • beccab says:

      Well said, I imagine that is one of the reasons she wrote this.

  19. Patrizio says:

    This country is s damaged by this man and his family. It will take years-if ever to undo the damage of their unethical, immoral influence on our society. Sure, this happened to this woman. No one would invite the type of negative scrutiny she’ll undergo. As for the MAGA folks who go to his rallies, for the most part they look like normal people- but I guess that’s what people thought of the Germans under Hitler too.

  20. Jane wilson says:

    The other rationale Trumpsters use is that all these accusers come forward for MONEY.
    Like elegant, bright, successful, respected 70-something journalists blithely toss away their reputations, self-respect and personal safety for any amount of money.
    Is anyone aware of a single, solitary woman who has come out of sharing her rape/assault story triumphant, happy or universally respected? In my experience – including reading hundreds of press accounts – even when accusers win their cases, their journey is tortuous, soul-destroying and frightening and the aftermath very little better, with a vast swath of the public continuing to disbelieve them.
    Coming foward is a terrible sacrifice. God bless and save those courageous women who do.

  21. minx says:

    Every day it’s some new travesty. We’re living in horrifying times.

  22. JRenee says:

    This made my stomach turn, ong. How disturbing. I pray she is safe.
    No words can describe what an issue this really is, omg

  23. Jerusha says:

    The only unbelievable part of her story is that he is only No. 20 on her list of Hideous Men!!!!!

  24. serena says:

    I’m beyond disgusted, I can’t find other words to express how I feel about what he did.

    I’m with her and all the women that came forward.
    This man should be in jail, not on being USA’s President.. again, how disgusting.

  25. Becks1 says:

    I believe her. I am sorry that she has had to carry the weight of that for so long, but I also completely understand why she hasn’t come forward before now.

  26. Jaded says:

    I sit up here in Canada, pondering how a serial rapist, a chronic abuser of women, a liar, a cheater, a grifter, a criminal, is selling America out to Russia, pushing America into another war, looting health, education and social services and sending women back to the 1800′s, and yet people LOVE him. He truly is Beelzebub and he’s infecting the entire planet with his blasphemy. He truly is bringing out the absolute worst in people globally and I fear not just for America but for the whole world.

    • Cindy says:

      “He truly is bringing out the absolute worst in people globally and I fear not just for America but for the whole world.”

      Yup. And this is why I’m so pessimistic. He can be impeached, or he can lose the next election. And that’d be GREAT. But I don’t think that’ll actually change much. He already left his legacy. He already validated rampant misogyny and racism as a legitimate political position. If Donald Trump with all of his odiousness could be POTUS, just imagine what other right-wing less idiotic politicians could do in upcoming terms.

    • Betsy says:

      Propaganda. Susceptible, scared people were propagandized for the last thirty years and it has destroyed their kindness and critical thinking skills. Until we break the propaganda machine, I do not know how it will get better.

  27. ChiaMom says:

    Oh my god this is horrifying his supporters make me vomit

  28. Ann says:

    It showed how little he understands about rape that he doesn’t understand that it’s something that mostly happens when no one else is around to verify the victim’s account, and that perpetrators are careful to make sure they’re off-camera. That’s what makes it so hard to prosecute, because it’s mostly a case of ‘he said, she said’. Lack of witnesses doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

    And with the camera thing, did he just mean footage of them walking into and coming out of the dressing rooms, or was he expecting there to be cameras in the actual dressing room?

  29. zuzu says:

    He literally said on the Access Hollywood tape that he does exactly this. He “just starts kissing” and then he “grabs them by the pussy.” He said himself that he does this.

    • zuzu, exactly. He said he moved on them like a b*tch, that you can do anything, Grab them by the p*ussy because again you can do anything. (I am sorry to repeat that, but he said it and it’s sickening.) Oh my God. Now that statement right there is NOT just normal kind of rude guy talk. Those are predatory words. And NO, I do not believe all guys talk like that, think like that. Yet, a man that does is now the President of the USA. The damage just this issue alone is causing is enormous. We have a P Grabber in Chief. That is unacceptable! WE MUST vote him and his whole Trump/Kushner klan out.

      • Franny says:

        The rest of his statement “And they let you do it” only means that they weren’t able to physically fight him off.

  30. Veronica S says:

    Considering how many of his supporters don’t think women are human, plenty of them will just view this as a powerful man putting a woman in her place.

  31. Marjorie says:

    Right after Donald Trump raped her, E. Jean told two friends, both of whom are well-known journalists who confirmed the story to NY magazine. These women need to come forward, IMO. They are afraid of career damage, but that is not as important as revealing Trump for who he really us.

  32. Mego says:

    I don’t believe her

    Said no one.

    I don’t give a damn

    Said every MAGA/Trump supporter.

  33. Jerusha says:

    If you’re not aware of The Daily Don on IG, you should check it out. The poster channels the rage we all feel with a different drawing every day.
    https://www.instagram.com/p/BzCijhsHQdF/?igshid=tchfyrkt626k

  34. Robinda says:

    I absolutely believe her, and I understand that trauma means that some details are lost and timelines can be confused, but the moment she said Fall ‘95 or Spring ‘96, all I heard was Trump supporters pointing out that this was such a traumatizing event that you never had sex again, but you can’t even narrow it down to what year it was?

    It makes me incredibly angry because I know people who will roll their eyes at her story despite the fact that so many women tell the same basic story. It also frustrates me, as a lawyer, to know that charges would never have been brought in this case, even if she’d reported it at the time. I don’t know how we change that without throwing away due process but I wish that someone smarter than me would figure it out.

    • Franny says:

      I don’t know if it’s the legal system or our culture, but we almost always default to protect the predator.

      I worked for a child trauma center and even when the victim is a child and doctors testify that the child was physically assaulted, it’s almost impossible to get a conviction. And most cases would never even go before a judge.

      Could it help to change the narrative or the line of questioning? Change the default from “what was the victim wearing” to “how many times has the accused pursued a woman after she said no?” How often does the accused get blackout drunk or start fights with people? Something needs to change.

  35. Franny says:

    She’s telling the truth. Half the country doesn’t think rape is that bad, so even if they do believe her they really don’t care. Plus it’s so much easier and fun for people to blame the victim (who is usually a woman of course).

    We have a bottom feeding, reality show con artist rapist leading the country.

    However, we also now have the most diverse Congress in history.

    Plus, Trump is single handedly destroying any remaining myth that white males are inherently superior. He sinks to a new low everyday. He is the emporer with no clothes (sorry for that imagery!!!)

  36. Justwastingtime says:

    Of course we all believe her and believe that she is one of many.

    It’s fascinating how in denial Trump supporters are and how they twist themselves in knots to justify him and his horrid crew.

    A colleague of mine breached the topic of Dr. Ford during the Kavanaugh hearings (I never discuss politics at work). He said he believed that she thought she was telling the truth in all the details but that she mistook who assaulted her. I just looked at him and then changed the subject. Reason is long gone in this political environment.

  37. Anonymous says:

    What Do We Need Men For?

    Ain’t that the truth! When will we, women, realize this?

    Literally, there’s absolutely no need for men. The patriarchy has gone too far for men to be our allies.

    Someone once said that there isn’t even a biological need. We have women with uterus and we have women with sperm. We can literally carry on as a species without them. But transmisogynists still don’t get it.

    It saddens me, how the patriarchy managed to destroy sisterhood.

  38. Dark and Stormy says:

    I remember reading some years ago that Ivana had accused him of raping her during their marriage. I believe she later changed the narrative of that experience from rape to something else (I don’t exactly recall what it was changed to). At any rate it does beg the question of how long and how many. Interestingly enough I was watching an old re-run of a Joan Rivers talk show and her guest happened to be Donald Trump. They did a phone-in call with his mother and when she was asked what he was like (I think as a child) there was an uncomfortable pause before she settled on “aggressive”. In light of the accusations against him that seems more telling today than it probably was at the time of the interview.

    • Pineapple says:

      Dark and Stormy, “aggressive.” Wow. He is clinically quite ill, do you guys remember when Psychiatrists all over The United States wanted him out of office because he was deemed too dangerous to rule? What happened there? Why did they suddenly go quiet? Well, they were quieted but they were correct. I think they should have gone ahead and attempted to get him outed. He is obviously a sociopath.

    • Jerusha says:

      Ivana changed her story after coming to a monetary settlement in their divorce. Money talks, truth walks.

    • Harryg says:

      Apparently he was an arrogant asshole from day one. I totally believe psychopaths are born, not raised. It’s a brain thing. There was that neuroscientist, James Fallon, who studied the brain scans of psychopaths, only to find out the same pattern in his own brain. And then his friends and family told him, “yeah, you really do operate like a psychopath, glad you finally noticed.”

      All Trump women are silenced with money and NDAs. Disgusting. He is revolting.

  39. Louisa says:

    I don’t believe there is anyone who doubts Carroll’s story. Even those with the usual “oh why did it take her so long” or “there’s no proof” are just saying that because they think it makes them sound better than if they just admitted that they don’t care.
    His supporters all know exactly who he is and while some may not particularly like him as a person, they are willing to close their eyes and ignore it as long as they perceive they are getting some benefit to his presidency, whether it be his racist immigration policies, or tax cuts for the wealthy.
    And the fact that there has been little to no coverage of this story shows that the media knows this too. There’s no story. We all know who is he and it didn’t change anything before, so why should it this time.

  40. hogtowngooner says:

    “There’s no proof”

    From the people who follow Q Anon. Unbelievable.