Donald Trump called Mike Pence a ‘p-ssy’ before Trump sent a mob to murder Pence

Congress Meets to Certify Electoral College Vote at the U.S. Capitol

Last night, the House voted to compel Mike Pence to invoke the 25th Amendment. The vote went ahead even though Pence sent a letter to Nancy Pelosi ahead of the vote, wherein he wrote that he did not feel it was within his constitutional authority to invoke the 25th with only eight days left in Trump’s term. He called the House’s vote “political games” and claimed that invoking the 25th at this moment would “set a terrible precedent.” You can see the full letter from Pence to Speaker Pelosi here. Still, the House still voted and it passed and today the House will vote on impeachment. All of which leads me to this remarkable article in the NY Times about Pence’s relationship with Trump, which included some really astounding moments:

Trump called Pence a p-ssy ahead of the election ratification: Mr. Trump was enraged that Mr. Pence was refusing to try to overturn the election. In a series of meetings, the president had pressed relentlessly, alternately cajoling and browbeating him. Finally, just before Mr. Pence headed to the Capitol to oversee the electoral vote count last Wednesday, Mr. Trump called the vice president’s residence to push one last time. “You can either go down in history as a patriot,” Mr. Trump told him, according to two people briefed on the conversation, “or you can go down in history as a p-ssy.”

During the Capitol siege, Pence stayed in the basement: Evacuated to the basement, Mr. Pence huddled for hours while Mr. Trump tweeted out an attack on him rather than call to check on his safety. “He set Mike Pence up that day by putting it on his shoulders,” said Ryan Streeter, an adviser to Mr. Pence when he was the governor of Indiana. “That’s a pretty unprecedented thing in American politics. For a president to throw his own vice president under the bus like that and to encourage his supporters to take him on is something just unconscionable in my mind.” When the mob burst into the building, Secret Service agents evacuated him and his wife and children, first to his office off the floor and later to the basement. His agents urged him to leave the building, but he refused to abandon the Capitol. From there, he spoke with congressional leaders, the defense secretary and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff — but not the president.

Don’t give Pence credit for Not Doing Fascism: “I’m glad he didn’t break the law, but it’s kind of hard to call somebody courageous for choosing not to help overthrow our democratic system of government,” said Representative Tom Malinowski, Democrat of New Jersey. “He’s got to understand that the man he’s been working for and defending loyally is almost single-handedly responsible for creating a movement in this country that wants to hang Mike Pence.”

Pence & Trump’s meeting came five days after the attempted coup: The official description of the hourlong conversation was “good”; the unofficial description was “nonsubstantive” and “stilted.”

Trump fundamentally believed that Pence could overthrow the election: Mr. Trump was told, incorrectly, that the vice president could stop the final validation of the election of President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr. in his role as president of the Senate presiding over the Electoral College count. Mr. Pence’s counsel, Greg Jacob, researched the matter and concluded the vice president had no such authority. Prodded by Rudolph W. Giuliani and Jenna Ellis, two of his lawyers, Mr. Trump kept pressing.

[From The NY Times]

The Times details the weeks of conversations between Pence and Trump, where Trump’s batsh-t legal advisors (like Rudy Giuliani) were insisting over and over that Pence could overthrow the election results and install pro-Trump electors. Trump just couldn’t get it, he didn’t want to get it – he thought Pence was so loyal that Pence would help him do the coup. The fact that Pence actually sought legal advice from outside advisors is both disturbing and yet… smart. I guess. And the fact that Trump called Pence a “p-ssy” to his face is pretty extraordinary, but not as extraordinary as the fact that Trump literally sent a violent mob to the Capitol to murder Pence and Speaker Pelosi, the next two people in the line of succession.

The other point of the Times story is that Pence feels/knows that he probably kneecapped his own presidential ambitions by, you know, not doing the coup. The fact that Team Pence is largely leaking all of this sh-t tells me that Pence is actually very seriously positioning himself to be MAGA-adjacent and yet an old-school Bush-era Republican.

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  1. Rapunzel says:

    I’ve seen Trumpsters now trying to say that the scaffold picture was fake and they weren’t chanting to hang Pence. These people are in denial. None of them want to admit this is what they wrought.

    • Miranda says:

      Sooo, Wayfair is DEFINITELY smuggling child sex slaves in their cabinets, despite the lack of a single drop of evidence, but violent racists baying for Pence’s blood ON CAMERA? Fake news. Got it.

      • Eating Popcorn says:

        OMG – Is Wayfair part of the QAbsurd conspiracy… is there no longer any discernment?

      • Dani says:

        Dang! The adorable sewing cabinet I ordered from Wayfair didn’t have any sex slaves whatsoever! Too bad the time has passed for a refund. Rats.

    • MissMarierose says:

      There’s an old saying that “victory has a thousand fathers, but defeat is an orphan.”

      They won’t take credit for what they’ve done because they failed and the “party of personal responsibility” doesn’t want to accept the consequences of its actions.

    • Sandra says:

      They learned from their cult leader to just say it’s “fake” if they don’t like what they hear. “What you’re seeing and what you’re reading is not what’s happening” is how Trump put it.

    • Coco says:

      Yeah, they were saying, “Hang Mike’s pants!” Because they noticed his pants were wrinkled and wanted to smooth them out for him. Mobs are considerate like that.

    • LadyMTL says:

      It didn’t work out the way they planned / wanted, so now they’re all basically acting like 6 years olds with their fingers in their ears chanting ‘la la la I can’t hear you la la la.’
      It’s all so pathetic.

    • Amy Too says:

      But I thought it was all antifa trying to make maga people look bad? Wasn’t that the original story they were going with? Now they’re back to saying it WAS maga people but they didn’t actually do the things that we’re seeing in pictures and videos? Pick a story, guys.

  2. ClaireB says:

    The fact that this spineless loaf of white bread grew a single vertebra and refused to participate in a coup is amazing. Do you hear that, Mike Pence? People are astounded that you actually did the right thing. What a legacy.

    • Traveler says:

      But that one veterbra is not enough to invoke the 25th amendment on a guy who wanted you dead. That is one flaccid spine.

      • bettyrose says:

        Pence is a coward and a do nothing and a his doing nothing to overthrow our government is not hugely impressive, but it does fit his MO to do nothing in regards to the 25 Amendment. As I was reading elsewhere, it’s not just that he’d have to invoke it, he’d then be faced with the conundrum of pardoning Trump. His do nothing mantra has worked so far. Why stop now? (Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad he wasn’t murdered by a treasonous mob because MYGAWD! but I’m perfectly happy for him to shuffle into obscurity on Jan. 21st, emerging only to give testimony at the trials).

      • Jane's Wasted Talent says:

        Someone on here the other day pointed out that he doesn’t have enough support in the Cabinet to invoke the 25th, so I’ll give him a grudging pass. For this.

  3. Miranda says:

    Oh yay, now I get to tell all the people I know who were congratulating Pence on “doing the right thing” that he really, really wanted to do the wrong thing, and even had a lawyer look into doing the wrong thing before he did the right thing. So much for that spine people momentarily thought Pence had.

    • AnnaKist says:

      Great comment, Miranda. It’s nearly over, so I think we should only see “the fly on Pence’s head” photo from now on.

    • Pusspants says:

      That’s my takeaway from this too. If there was any way he would have overturned the vote, Pence would have done it. And for once I agree with trump. Mike Pence is a spineless wimp (hate using the word pussy to describe lack of courage).

    • Northstar says:

      I am not a Pence fan by any means, but I don’t think he wanted to support Trump on this – I think he wanted to do the right thing and that he consulted with a lawyer to give his decision more gravitas. The lawyers helped make the decision constitutional and not personal.

  4. Seraphina says:

    I have a very string feeling that when all this plays out we will be shocked at what we learn. We will all be wondering how can it just continue to be THIS bad. Make no mistake, we are not being told everything. Watch as they run to cover their asses and they start throwing each other under the bus. who knows what he has on the VP.

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      Yeah – after next week the real dirt is going to start coming out, Trump and his ‘supporters’ won’t forget those who ‘betrayed’ them. He will take them all, inc his crotch goblins, down with him.

      • Seraphina says:

        Yes, because the first defense will be that they were not complicit or that they were not inciting insurrection. Then, when the shit really gets real they will start to throw their coconspirators under the bus. I am here for it but it will be disgusting and heart wrenching to watch.

    • Golly Gee says:

      Good point. I’ve come to believe that some of the logic defying compliance comes down to blackmail or serious bribes. I’m sure Putin was very helpful in providing Trump with portfolios on any errant Republicans.

  5. Andrew’s Nemesis says:

    Trump acts like a f*cking mob boss at a WWE fight. The man has no education, no understanding of the solemn gravity of the office which he swore to uphold. I’m glad Pence decided to be a pussy, but I’m so sad that he was targeted for death – for actual death – by Trump’s SA. So 1929-33.

    • Miranda says:

      How dare you question Trump’s education! He went to Wharton, they don’t just hand that shit out (unless, you know, you have money)! Also his uncle was a professor at MIT, and everybody knows that your relatives’ academic credentials totally count as your own!

  6. Sandra says:

    Pence still won’t invoke the 25th after Trump sent a mob to hang him in front of his wife and daughter (and do god knows what to his wife and daughter). His wife and daughter had to hear chants calling for Pence’s execution. So you know what? This is the only time I’ll ever say this but Trump was right. Pence is a p*ssy: he’s one for not invoking the 25th after his boss’s attempted hit job on him. WTF, Mike?

    • LightPurple says:

      He doesn’t have the votes for the 25th. He needs a majority of the Cabinet to support it. Chao, DeVos, and Wolf all quit instead of doing their job. Pompeo is going full Trump extremist puppet. Even if Pence wanted to invoke the 25th, he couldn’t.

      • Traveler says:

        It should have been done anyway – even if it is just on the record, even though the remaining fascists in the administration are ok with tearing down the fabric of the democracy, even if it is just a symbol .
        If he had one ounce of courage he would have sent the message loud and clear that this should not be tolerated by anyone from any political party.

    • Seraphina says:

      So I thought about this too. But maybe, just maybe, they are trying to go by the book. Because the 25th is more for when POTUS is incapacitated, which takes a bit to prove. So the best legally viable way is to go with impeachment knowing full well that this will remove him. yeah, I know, I can be naïve and maybe I am here as well. BUT I was so disappointed when they certified the EV and then adjourned. But the heavy hitter met to move with impeachment. Who Knows at this point. Those well versed with the process please correct me if my thinking is totally off.

    • Boxy Lady says:

      The 25th amendment is not nearly as punitive as the 2nd impeachment. If impeached the 2nd time, 45 won’t receive the usual post-presidential perks like the travel budget and the pension, among other things. That letter that Pence wrote may be a bit of theatre. Like maybe he’s playing it one way publicly while privately, he wants to make sure 45 is punished as much as possible while also showing Congress as the “bad guys” instead of Pence. (I doubt Congress minds this in general.)

    • Keroppi says:

      don’t insult p*ssies! They are strong and resilient!

      • bettyrose says:

        I have never in my life understood this BS. Pussies? Slang for the orifice that brought you into this world? Much more powerful than those hangy thingies male athletes have to put protective cups over.

      • Dl says:

        Oh Betty rose. Hangy things ! 😂😂😂😂😂

  7. Golly Gee says:

    ” Mr. Trump told him, according to two people briefed on the conversation, “or you can go down in history as a p-ssy.”
    To which Pence replied “Meow” before scampering outside to chase butterflies.

  8. Amy says:

    This might be an ignorant question, but I’m really not sure: what does that mean for his political future (if he has one) to be a “maga adjacent old school bush style republican”?

    • molly says:

      Also, Pence will NEVER be president. He’s not nearly charismatic enough for any period in time, much less what we require of our presidential candidates now.

    • MissMarierose says:

      I think she means that he’s still attempting to play both sides of the Republican divide. There are the MAGAts and the old-school Republicans who never liked Trump and his ilk.
      I personally don’t think that will be possible, once all of the Congressional republicans are on the record with a vote to impeach/convict Trump.

      • Amy says:

        That’s sort of what I was thinking, and I agree. It doesn’t seem possible, so I was sure there had to be something I wasn’t getting :)

    • Becks1 says:

      He’s trying to walk a fine line – he doesnt want to turn off the MAGAts, but he wants to appeal to the old school Republicans – i.e. the ones who just want tax breaks and are against gay marriage (but arent openly fascist.)

    • Keats says:

      oh no, it’s not ignorant at all. this is the exact question that ‘old guard’ republicans have been trying to answer for the past 5 years. the answer was always going to be either ‘be too cute by half and be left with nothing’ or ‘kill democracy in favor of white supremacy’. Pence and the rest of the old school republicans have always been fine with option 2, but it looks like the tide is turning juuuust enough to leave them with option 1. time will tell, though.

  9. molly says:

    Trump sent those people to KILL YOU, Mike. He does not care one bit if you live or die. He doesn’t care if anyone dies.

    Maybe he thought the threats were a game, but I’m not trusting 8000 screaming lunatics with weapons, a noose, and filled to the brim with rage to understand the tuff guy nuance of what’s an act and what’s instructions.

  10. MissMo says:

    Mother’s Husband isn’t a p*ssy…he lacks the warmth and depth.

    He also doesn’t get a gold star for not participating in an attempted coup, after four years of slavishly kowtowing and pandering to Orange Twitler’s every whim, word-salad statements, and MAGAT cultists.

  11. Christina says:

    Pence is threading the needle with his folksy, straight man image. Very smart man. He’s a slight of hand Republican, the more traditional kind who smiles in your face while taking your rights. Not hamfisted like Trump and Pompeo, but Pompeo and Cruz are more ideologically Trump’s heir to Trumpism. Of course, Ivanka and Don Jr feel entitled to those voters.

    Pence may not be demonstrative enough for the new Republican Party. There may not be enough Liz Cheneys to counter the three-percenter supporters. The open racists are taking over the party. They don’t want to hide anymore, and they have been able to crawl from the shadows with Trump.

    • Keats says:

      I’m not sure I agree with your assessment re: Pence’s smarts. I think he was fundamentalist enough to be a viable statewide candidate, but he never really has had the chops to be a national republican, and really only looks smart in relation to the rest of the administration. Definitely agree with almost everything else you said though. And I’m willing to admit that I’m extremely armchair expert, so maybe he’s smarter than I realize (I just don’t see it).

  12. Tiffany says:

    Yeah, Pence wasn’t and never will be a Bush Republican. His couldn’t even keep his job in Indiana, and that was after failing as a Congressman.

    The government kept losing his number, but this cockroach still found a way.

  13. nicegirl says:

    I cannot wait until we ‘semen to ovester’ our derogatory female-centric language. Rather than pussy, what could we use?

    I’m like, “YOU SPINELESS JELLYFISH MAN O WAR Mother,May I,loverrrrr” bc I cannot think of how to refer to his idiocy, VP Pence.

  14. FancyPants says:

    Well… he’s not wrong… oops I mean “Be Best!”

  15. Badrockandroll says:

    I only started to follow American politics when Trump was elected. Like the rest of the world, I couldn’t believe it, and thought that my lack of understanding was due to my lack of education about your history, your constitution and your style of government. Coming from a country with parliamentary federalism I really crammed on democratic republic congressional federalism.
    About two years ago, I concluded that you guys needed to lose the electoral college and that three parties – right, left and centre moderate – would change the political discourse. I did not predict that it would be the GOP that would implode, I thought that it would be the Dems since big tent and virtue checkpoints are ultimately incompatible. But let Cruz, Hawley etc. have the crazies, let those never Trumpers/Lincoln project folk have a party that would attract people like Manchin (I don’t think that they would take Pence though), and let there be a party for those with a social conscience.
    Of course my prescription means Jack. But it is a symbol of my horror and my hope. Good luck.

  16. Coco says:

    Presidents receive Secret Service protection for life. Vice Presidents only receive six months (though the DHS can extend if they deem it necessary). Does Pence believe that Secret Service members would be the ones conspiring to murder him if he invoked the 25th Amendment?

  17. Hannah A says:

    His wife and children were there? And he still didn’t evoke the 25th? Even McConnell caved when it threatened his personal safety. I don’t know what trump has on pence but it must be damning.

  18. Feebee says:

    Luckily for Trump he (Pence) is a pussy because otherwise Trump would have been 86ed by the 25th years ago. And definitely yesterday.

    Unfortunately for us Trump is right on this occasion, just not for the right reason.

  19. EllieK says:

    WHEN is Trump’s second impeachment going to be announced? I know they’re voting now.