Here are more photos from Prince Harry and “Madame Duchess” Meghan’s first full day in New York. They were up bright and early at One World Trade Center, where they did a photocall at the Observatory with the governor of New York and Mayor De Blasio. Then they went back down to the 9/11 Memorial and the fountain. They got a tour of the 9/11 Memorial from Patti Harris, CEO of Bloomberg, and Alice Greenwald, CEO of the 9/11 Memorial and Museum. For all of the abject morons in the British press whining about how Meghan and Harry were “dressed for a funeral,” this is why they chose somber-looking clothes, as all of us knew yesterday. They knew they would be photographed at the 9/11 Memorial. They wanted to look somber and respectful. PS… Meghan’s ensemble is apparently Armani.
Leading the way with compassion & unity is at the heart of The Duke & Duchess of Sussex’s work, & a mission that is very much shared by the @Sept11Memorial. Today, I was glad to join @AliceGreenwald in welcoming Prince Harry & Meghan to the Museum & to learn more about their work pic.twitter.com/bONNCVDx4l
— Patti Harris (@PattiHarris) September 23, 2021
What else? After the visit to One World Trade Center and the memorial, the Sussexes went to the United Nations, where they reportedly had a meeting with US Ambassador to the UN Linda Thomas-Greenfield. They were back and forth from their hotel a few times by the look of it – they’re staying at the Carlyle, which is where Princess Diana stayed when she visited New York. Page Six notes that Diana usually stayed in the Royal Suite, which costs $8000 a night, but that sources confirmed to Page Six that Harry and Meghan were not staying in the Royal Suite. Interestingly enough, when William and Kate were in New York in 2014, they also stayed at the Carlyle. Dang – there are other luxury hotels in New York, you guys.
As Thursday progressed, the wails and salty commentary from across the pond grew louder and louder. By the time I checked in on the Daily Mail’s coverage, they were freaking out about: H&M’s “large security detail,” the jewelry Meghan wore, the “staggering” cost of the hotel, the idea that the Sussexes “dramatically quit” the UK, Meghan’s autumn clothing despite the warmer weather, the size of the UN ambassador’s penthouse, the Sussexes’ “gas-guzzling” SUVs, and the fact that Harry and Meghan ate at a fancy restaurant on Wednesday night when they arrived in the city. Whew… imagine being that mad over every single thing.
Start spreading the news, this is the cutest thing we've seen today: the engraving on Prince Harry's portfolio, "Archie's papa." 🥺📍New York (📷: Getty) pic.twitter.com/3hZQ8derwB
— E! News (@enews) September 24, 2021
Photos courtesy of Backgrid.
But how many bathrooms does it have???
Personally, I’m still kinda bummed that we weren’t apprised as to how many bathrooms there were at the 9/11 memorial.
Lmao, I’ve been waiting to hear how visiting the 9/11 memorial or staying at the Carlyle is a stab to the heart of the Queen and the entire monarchy.
LOL…salty meteorologist, salty restaurateurs, salty hotel owners, salty auto dealers, salty jewelers yes Salty Island was very salty yesterday!
I made this comment on another forum. How many bathrooms does the suite have? 😂😂
I need this info 😅
Lol
It must SUCK to constantly have to watch your step because haters will hate and will find ANYTHING to outraged about. They are royals and should be able to stay in the royal suite – hell any “royal suite”. And Prince Henry is royal by blood, grandson to the monarch. And that is also why they need security.
They look great and well, we all know these two are professionals and get it right. I will not compare them to the other two – because that would be insulting to H&M.
Well done AGAIN.
Lol, I wish they’d stayed in the Presidential Suite. That really would’ve inflamed the misogynists.
Good Lord, can you imagine the headlines!?!?! They would say Meghan truly does have aspirations to run for POTUS.
If they had stayed in the Presidential Suite, then Rotten Rota’s narrative would have been, “What’s the matter, isn’t the royal suite good enough for them?”
@Merricat it’s so ridiculous but Seraphina is right; no idea how this asinine rumor even started, but there are people who are convinced that Meghan’s plan was to move back to the US all along because her “ultimate goal” (remember, she’s a scheming schemer who always has a nefarious motive 🙄) is to run for President. I’m sure Meghan would be the first person to laugh out loud at that. How are people so stupid? Like, really…how do they dress and feed and support themselves? Dumber than a bag of hair.
I suspect M&H have had a LOT of coaching in how to handle the hatred. The peaceful and positive aura around them has me thinking they’ve attained the right mindset.
@Monica: Yup, coaching and therapy. Good for them.
@Monica I don’t know how she does it. Even with therapy and all of the help in the world, I don’t think I could survive what she did and come out on the other end this happy and productive. She’s amazingly strong.
If you could/would cough up the thousands per night for the Royal Suite, I’m sure you, too, could stay there. If it was kept empty all the time for ONLY “Royals”, they’d be losing a boatload of money for a huge suite/amenities. Same for the Presidential Suites. They ARE rentable for us peons if we have the cash.
Get Hotel Tonight and put in some big cities like vegas, NY and LA, and you’ll sometimes see these MASSIVE suites incredibly discounted. But it’s the fools discount, lol. I mean it might normally be $10, 000 and now it’s $1000, but that’s still a thousand freaking bucks.
A lot of folks are making the mistake of thinking that H&M consider themselves part of the Monarchy, i:e the British Royal-INSTITUTION.
They. Left. The. Institution.
And theyre making it crystal clear (i:e to those that can see clearly from their actions) that they have no dealings whatsoever with the Institution and that the fact that they are a part of the british royal family is incidental.
Therefore, staying in the “royal suite” which naturally brings to mind not only the BR-Family but also inevitably the BR-Institution, would be a non-starter for H&M. And I do believe that they only stayed thereat the Carlyle to honor Harry’s mom’s memory vis-a-vis her favourite hotel in NY.
On the other hand, H still considers himself and his wife and children to be members of the royal family…..part-owner of its 1000-year old heritage. Why in god’s name should he give that up? To please whom?
Notwithstanding all that, the royal FAMILY today is, per se, relatively small, albeit with a large extended family situation going on. But the members whom I believe, constitute Harry’s paternal “family” are limited to: his grandma (& recently-deceased grandpa); his father; his aunt and uncles (anne, andy, edward); TOB; and his cousins: bea and eugenie; zara & phillip; and edward’s 2 kids.
And I daresay, among his cousins, the only one to whom he’s closer than “hello/how are you” is eugenie; and i also doubt he’s on heart-to-heart terms with his uncles and aunt. So really, H is like any other human being in the western world who grows up, marries and moves away from home with his own nuclear family.
So all the noise we hear coming from that once-great-britain-now-only-a-cesspool, is from the anal BR-Institution and its minions.
Page Six is such a joke. I lol’d at, “Prince Harry and Meghan Markle have checked into the swanky Carlyle hotel, which was Princess Diana’s favorite New York City haunt, Page Six can exclusively reveal.”
Like, no, you’re not “exclusively revealing” anything. That’s always where the royals stay when they’re in NY (I think there are certain security features the Carlyle has that other hotels don’t), everyone knows Diana stayed there, there’s actually a 30-year-old picture of Diana walking out of the Carlyle on the same page as this article, you numbnuts. But sure, thanks for “revealing” it to us.
Go on Duchess!!!
Stay mad haters.
YES! Looking like a boss 🙂
The sheer unnecessary nastiness of the British ‘media’ coverage depresses me. They’re famous millionaires – of course they’re staying in a nice hotel, wearing nice clothes and jewellery, and have a security detail with appropriate transport. But it’s not like they’re in New York for a self-indulgent jolly, they’re doing internationally important diplomatic and philanthropic work. How can that be a bad thing?
The only thing that would satisfy Salty Island is for the Sussex’s only mode of transport was the subway, that they stayed at the local Holiday Inn, that they received no welcome from powerful elected officials, that Meghan wore a garbage bag as a dress, that they had to pond her wedding ring to pay bills and most importantly that knew Lilibeth’s skin color.
This. The house, the deals, pop culture influence, working with high profile persons, Meghan and Harry glowing and succeeding wasn’t suppose to happen. I honestly think in the next year, we will see begging from parts of the press because they’re losing money and opportunities. They’ve become too dependent on the Sussexes instead of expecting more of the royals.
Yes, that last one is key. The complaints about them not bringing Archie and Lili are entirely about them not providing an opportunity for the press to photograph them and analyse how Black they both look.
@Jane – God, how sad is that? You know Meghan and Harry are proud, excited parents and would probably love to be able to show off their precious baby girl and their adorable little boy, just like every other parent does. But they have to think twice, because they know any photos of their kids would immediately be turned into a “paper bag test” by the BM, and you’d have people hurling racial slurs (or at least dog whistles) at A BABY AND A TODDLER.
@JMoreno, but then the BM would slam them for “disrespecting the Queen” for being so low-life and tacky. These people are nothing if not raging hypocrites.
It used to bother me, as well, especially in 2019 when she was pregnant. But once you tune them out (especially post-Sussexit), they just sound like crazy people shouting into the void. Their opinions don’t matter. They are not relevant.
Agreed. I don’t look at any other site for Sussex updates, so the only salty folks I encounter are the sad ones who show up here to complain about how Meghan is dressed too heavily for heat and humidity, as if the woman hasn’t been successfully dressing herself appropriately for decades. It’s just sad.
Myra, you are so right. I figured, after a while, I was just hurting myself. After all, the raving lunatics are deaf for the most part and utterly filled with hate infected hearts. It won’t be so easy for the Sussexes to just ignore them but I do think they’re doing a magnificent job moving forward!
@Jane, I know. It’s awful. I always think back to this example when it comes up…someone (maybe here) said,
“Meghan could cure cancer and they’d complain that she took too long.”
and I think the reason that one has stayed with me is because it’s so fcking insane and over the top but I swear to god it’s also probably true, because their coverage of her is UNHINGED.
@Myra my brain knows you’re right, but sometimes I just can’t help but get upset at how relentlessly they go after Meghan. It’s just so sad and she never deserved any of this. I do try to mostly ignore, though (no way am I ever wading into the DM comments).
The DM Is a cesspool but I must say I have seen more and more people calling them out and telling the DM this is becoming a deranged obsession,well atleast the comments on their FB feed.
I noticed this as well. On those panel shows like Jeremy Vine, many callers are correcting these journalists and experts as well. It gets boring and they won’t move on because they can’t afford too. Imagine trying to get attention and access from a couple in another country, that’s desperate and sad.
Honestly unless these tv panelists, ‘journalists’ and other haters have no self respect and integrity I would feel really stupid waking up every morning to write and talk pure bile. I mean this is how they put their journalism qualifications to use ?
Yeah, I noticed that too. People are getting sick of their constant racist articles on Harry and Meghan. Same with Piers. People are sick of his obsession and find it creepy.
I actually bookmarked an article yesterday (US based one of course) that actually called out the British press for slamming H&M for the same things they praised Elegant Bill and Keen Mandella for during their 2014 NYC visit. The criticism is deranged, and I do think a lot of people who are just casual observers are noticing.
I’ve wondered for a while how on earth they haven’t moved on to someone else by now…how long can their hatred of Meghan be sustained at this level? Don’t even people who hate her get sick of hearing and reading the same criticisms of her over and over and over again? I’ve never seen anything like it.
In a way I feel sorry for the papers and reporters but not really. No one told them to attack, bully and abuse the Sussexes the way they did. It’s literally a self fulfilling prophecy. They attacked Meghan for being American but are now losing scoops, exclusives and access to the American media. Harry and Meghan are thriving, respected and are still getting their names out there without the egotistical BM. The own hubris did them in. Theyre going to be traumatized because Harry and Meghan were really the first royals who took them on, didnt play the game and are still successful. Nothing has worked or brought the Sussexes to heel. They don’t know what to do. They need the Sussexes more than the Sussexes need them and they don’t even realize that they helped cause that.
@Brit, I disagree that they weren’t told to attack, bully and abuse the Sussexes. They were absolutely given the green light and free reign to do so by The Firm. They also attacked her for being a WOC-let’s not forget the racism. 72? members of Parliament recognized it. There are too many connections between KP, W/K, Jason Knauf, Christian Jones, Callum Stephens, Wootton and the list could go on to show that they were given the go ahead by The Firm. Bringing the Sussexes to heel? Every time the BM go after H & M they are providing more evidence to the world why they had to leave. No sympathy for any of these jackholes. Can’t even call them reporters or journalists-they’re lackeys.
No pity for those horses’s asses. They are the very definition of “hoist on their own petards.” They created this situation. They crapped out this shit sandwich, and now they have to eat it. They have to eat every bite.
The British press were mad when Diana was doing this after she left Charles too. I had a great time yesterday seeing the outrage and confusion from the royalists about Harry and Meghan working in NY. I saw some tweets from members of the Royal rota and they’re pissed off about this but they only have themselves to blame and should turn their anger towards the Palace not Harry and Meghan.
I was just wondering whether Diana was given security when she visited ny? I would assume she did?
I don’t think she would have been given FT security from the city when she was visiting after her divorce, but I’m assuming any public events she might have done would have had security, like H&M yesterday – the security at UN and the 911 memorial was provided by NYC (well maybe the UN security was from the UN), but the actual security detail for H&M is private.
I believe Diana had given up her Security Detail after her divorce from Charles.
@Jais I’m not sure how it all works, but NYC would not want anything to happen to Diana or the Sussexes in their city, on their watch, so they’re probably happy to provide extra security; they have a vested interest in it.
My guess is they stay there for security reasons. I know there are many other hotels in NYC that can host high-profile guests, but some are going to be more experienced at it than others. And I’m assuming location as well?
I loved seeing the breakdowns from across the pond yesterday. The Daily Mail could.not.handle it. Her diamonds! Her coats! Their SUVs! I was glad to see on twitter that most of the responses were either “who cares?” or “you’re obsessed.” There were some negative responses aimed at the Sussexes but not as many as I would have thought. Maybe bc they can’t control the twitter responses the way they can their comment section.
You can tell it’s upsetting the BM that the outrage isn’t sticking anymore. Everyone knows the BM are obsessed. They tried everything yesterday from her diamonds, clothes, the SUV’s, they even tried security 😂 They can’t really say anything because they’re not on taxpayers dollars anymore. The loss of control is killing them.
Their refusal to adapt to the current situation is killing them. They have this business model for royal coverage they’ve been using for decades. It worked so well for a long time but so many factors have changed it’s no longer tenable. Adapt or die. It looks like they’re choosing death.
One of the more startling things about the DM article linked above, is that it’s actually pretty well written – possibly because they had multiple events to discuss, so didn’t repeat the same sentences multiple times.
They did also accurately note the last time Meghan was in NYC was for the US Open, though of course the $500K baby shower was also pointed out.
They did however, leave out the minor detail that those “gas-guzzling SUV’s” are in fact, according to their own picture, Range Rovers. It escapes me for the moment, but I do believe there’s a prominent family in England that uses the very same vehicles…
@windyriver, they do like to leave out those minor details. Just to be difficult, does the DM know in fact they are “gas guzzling SUV’s”? You can’t always tell-unless you can see the gas tank(or look underneath the hood) and sometimes the tank is high up underneath the vehicle where you can’t see it unless you’re under it. There are hybrids of Tahoes & Range Rovers. Looking at the Tahoe again from the DM story, over on the right hand side it does look like it says Hybrid. Like this one-
https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/chevrolet/tahoe-hybrid/2009/photos-exterior/rear-view
It’s not like the BM would be honest.
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The UN is in session, World Leaders are in NYC, so not many choices of hotels.
President of Brazil is not vaccinated, so he was eating pizza outside of a restaurant.
People get tired of baseless hatred toward a woman who has never done anything but her best. It’s tedious.
It’s reflecting poorly on the UK as a whole. I know I’ll never spend a dime there again. There are probably a lot of people having second thoughts about travel to the UK. As a POC, I’m thinking, if this is how they treat Meghan, how welcoming will they be to me? (I know that’s not fair, and I know the media doesn’t speak for everyday people in practice, but the truth is that the media DOES speak for the country. It’s creating the public message about the country and its values.)
@Ianne, I’m with you 100%. I had long wanted to visit the UK but now England will never, ever see a dime of my money. Hubby and I are still considering visiting Scotland and Ireland though.
Exactly, I do look forward to visiting Scotland after they leave the UK. Otherwise, I will turn to Ireland and the rest of Europe. I am torn about the Islands though. I love the Bahamas and BVI. 🙁
Same, Harla. I’ll do the two Irelands, Scotland and Wales.
It will be a loooooooong time before I go back to England after Brexit and Sussexit. I have five friends (2 Canadians, 2 Aussies, 1 American) who were all on track for UK citizenship or already had UK citizenship who left the country as soon as they could after the Brexit vote (Canadians went back to Canada, Aussies came to the U.S., American moved to Portugal). My one English friend and I agreed to meet in Europe in future summers when travel is safer (we are thinking Italy), so no need for me to go back to the UK ever. That country has the stench of rot on it right now. Maybe if the Tories get booted and some Labour PM and government can get their act together and start building a new pathway to the future, instead of trying to cling to the old dead Empire and the completely retrograde imperialistic culture, that would be a new day for England and I would visit that island again.
Same with me. I love to travel and have been to England a couple of times (Scotland too). However, after seeing this nonsense and, aside from the members of Parliament, no one, not even family members speaking out against the British press, I would never give that country one penny in tourist money. Although the RF and RR’s views are not reflective of all the English, their overall silence speaks volumes to me. Didn’t MLK say, “In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.”
@Becks1 – Given that it’s UN Week, the high security hotels in NYC are fully booked. The Carlyle is on that short list, so are The Mark, The Peninsula, and the St Regis. The Waldorf-Astoria is usually on that list, but is closed for renovations.
Yeah I’m not that worried about their motivations for staying there lol. I know its UN week and NYC is busy. It doesnt really matter to me why they are staying where they’re staying.
I laughed so hard at today’s article on how Meg “ditched her laid-back California look” for polished “red carpet” Hollywood celeb makeup. They had to point out her “glossy lips” “sleek bun” “enhancing highlighter” and “intense smokey eye.”
Oh no! Not highlighter! And glossy lips!!
Such palpable desperation.
Oh, and she had “Hollywood brows” wtaf?
what the hell are Hollywood brows? And honestly, I would love to be able to wear makeup like Meghan does! Her makeup is always so perfect and natural. I’m jealous of her skills!
I hate to tell them, but I’ve lived in So. Cal almost all of my life. In the area I live (West side LA) while most run around during the day in athletic wear, a LOT of the women look like that when they get “dressed” for work, charity luncheons and out to dinner. At least the ones I see/come into contact with!
Glossy lips, sleek bun, enhancing highlighter Oh My! They really try hard for something. IMO, they are talking about the wrong duchess when it comes to “hollywood brows”. Kate’s brows have always given me Joan Crawford brow vibes and not in a good way. These are the same people that praised Kate’s lewk and glamour shots at Philip’s funeral then calling it dignified.LOL
Im guessing part of the reason they chose the Carlyle is because Diana used to stay there. Iirc when Diana used to talk about moving to the US it was to New York so I’m sure this is sentimental for Harry.
Also: they did meet with the US Ambassador to the UN to talk about vaccine equity and other issues and she posted pics on her Twitter page. It definitely feels like this was a work trip that they decided to kick off with a courtesy visit with local politicians at the One World Trade Center and a photocall. Any comparison to a royal tour falls flat because most don’t have meetings of substance like the WHO roundtable they did yesterday on them and the majority of their visits yesterday were not open to the public.
Exactly. There were no pap strolls down crowded streets getting flowers and waving. That’s for Keen and Mean and they wouldn’t attract big crowds, that’s for sure. This visit is strictly business.
That’s impressively smart to choose the Carlisle and not another hotel. First, the hotel must have done a good job with Diana and the Cambridges’ stays. Ive stayed there in another lifetime – it’s discreet. But what’s really impressive: it take away one avenue of credible attack for the tabloids – if it was fine for Diana and for PW, why *shouldn’t* her other son stay there. And then not staying in the Royal suite. Chef’s kiss.
Also what is the reference to “Madame Duchess”? Did I miss something?
One of the reporters asked her a question yesterday about being back in NYC and he called her “Madam Duchess”.
“Madam Duchess”? *gasp* Somebody fetch my smelling salts! I must withdraw to my parlor and swoon onto my chaise longue!
@Miranda – right?? The scandal!
I love it because it was clearly just something he did to be respectful, based on what he said on twitter, and I feel like its going to stick now for her.
TBH…I live for the Salty Island meltdown. It’s always EPIC and it never disappoints!!
They are really obsessing about her makeup (glossy lips?), her hair, her clothes? Really?! Now, I’m not a gun person. In fact, I absolutely hate, hate, hate them, but if I had a jealous ex-boyfriend who stalked me (after I left him) and went on and on like the British media, I might get myself a weapon. Is there no self-awareness or pride in country?
The reporter that asked her how it felt to be back in NYC called her “Madame Duchess” and I am living for it.
I love this and will probably be calling her Madame Duchess from now on!!
They look so cute! What on earth could there be to complain about???
They don’t call them Salty Island for nothing
My favorite DM freak-out was the “LOOK AT THESE PHOTOS OF HARRY DINING WITHOUT MEGHAN OMG WHERE IS MEGHAN” bit. Do they expect her to insinuate herself into every single thing her husband does, like Buttons?
Also, I wonder if Meghan might be anemic? Because I’m severely anemic (I have a malabsorption disorder) and it makes me constantly cold, and people always think I’m overdressed for the weather, too.
They really want photographs of Archie and Lilli and they’ve been trying to figure out where the kids are. If Meghan wasn’t with him, she’s probably with the children. The DM knows this. They’re trying to dig for information.
@miranda
Now you know full well that if Madam Duchess was there, they would be cries of ‘she wears the trousers, she controls him etc….’
Word on these twitter streets is that Jessica M is also in NYC 👀👀👀👀
That was my thought – Harry having dinner on his own was a big deal because they immediately assumed Meghan was with the children. Of course, she could have been taking a bubble bath, she could have been with one of her many friends, she could have been asleep, she could have been watching LuLaRich, who knows, none of our business.
They really are so obsessed that it’s almost sad, in a bizarre and scary kind of way. Even IF the kids are there – the Daily Mail is NEVER going to get a picture of them.
(and that’s a big IF).
Meghan is the worst hostage holder, her hostage looks happy, he goes on overseas trips by himself, now he is eating without her.
Some new rules for the hostage, stop holding her hands so you can run away, stop rubbing her back, and whispering in her ears, this can’t be Stockholm syndrome.
@Jan, lol. That cracked me up!
LMAO!!!
For me it looks like Harry had work meeting at the hotel’s restaurant. It happens a lot. Usual practice. Only DFail could try and turn this into something suspicious…
The part of the DM headline where they were wailing, “he’s not even royal” when talking about them meeting the mayor and governor, really made me laugh.
They aren’t joined at the hip and can do things separately. The funny thing is he was still in the hotel while he was without Meghan. She was probably up in their room or having her own meeting. It looked like he was with 3 other people. I hope they do have some down time to relax and have a little fun.
I remember after M&H first moved to America, one of the so-called royal experts, out of spite of course, said that they would be surveilled even more than before. That every British reporter would on the look out for Harry to be photographed out late in a bar without Meghan (you know the implication is cheating), or for Meghan to be photographed with her hair undone (they know she’s attractive, so they want bad pictures of her). (Yes, THIS is what a grown man fantasizes about.).
@Miranda I also enjoyed it the other day when they were reported to be “out partying,” when in fact they were eating dinner in the restaurant *in the hotel they’re staying at*
That must make my husband and me quite the party animals.
Again, the U.N. General Assembly is meeting in NYC, I think the influx of many heads of state and dignitaries may have something to do with availability of hotel rooms and hotels choices.
The Carlyle has a decades long reputation of discretion and vast experience at dealing with high profile guests; a book was written about it. Plus, it is at Madison and 76th, while other viable options, the Waldorf-Astoria, St. Regis, The Plaza, are all midtown in the 50’sish, pain in the neck traffic, etc., especially during UN sessions… I sprinted out of NYC on Tuesday. Wise choice for them–they could walk to their Saturday appearance if they wanted to…
I’ve seen Twitter comments that they didn’t really draw huge crowds but I think that was the point. The governor’s office announced the visit later in the evening and the visit was 8am in the morning, not giving much time for anyone to be there, which I’m sure was part of the plan. It’s been at least 2 years since they’ve done such a public outing and it’s probably jarring after all the time in quarantine. But the sussex supporters that were there were really cute.
Right, how were they going to draw crowds? No one knew they were going to the UN until they were there (it was speculated but not confirmed IIRC after their SUV left in the afternoon), and I don’t think you can just crowd UN entrances anyway. The WTC event was announced late in the evening, a lot of people still aren’t in the office in NYC, etc.
Besides, we don’t really judge the quality of work based on how many people cheer when you walk into a building.
Well, unless you’re employed by the BRF and your ‘job’ consists of waving and nodding. The your crowds matter.
I work down the street from the UN, even in normalcy having a crowd there during these sessions is impossible. You can’t get near it, even the protests are two blocks away.
I think they announced the event quite late specifically so they wouldn’t draw enormous crowds — because drawing enormous crowds is IRRESPONSIBLE during a pandemic!!!! H+M don’t want people getting ill from cramming together in a huge herd trying to get a glimpse of them!!!! They went to NY to try to prevent the spread of this disease, not to facilitate it!!!!
The shocking thing is I bet your very rational explanation has not occurred to a one of them.
I’ve read that Queen Maxima of the Netherlands is also in NYC and if her and Madame Duchess were to meet up I think that I would have a full meltdown!! The fashion alone would slay me!!
That would be epic!
I just read about Iman and a whole bunch of entertainers and celeb figures spearheading a campaign for global vaccine access and equality. How epic would it be if they joined forces with Meghan and Harry. They’re all doing the same thing, they might as well
Is it British to call your dad papa? Papa is what the grandkids call my FIL. I can see how if Archie calls Haz Papa it might be a little confusing to other American kids.
I don’t know if its British or European – I have two American friends who both have French husbands and their kids call the father “Papa.”
But “Papa” is the only way to say it in French, nobody in France says “Daddy”. Whereas in English, at least in American English, it’s not the first choice. If Downton Abbey is any indication, they say PapA, so it’s supposed to be French? In America, it’s usually PApa for grandpa.
Well obviously language plays a huge factor, but my point was that I don’t think my friends are worried about what other American kids think about what they call their father.
We know Harry calls Charles “pa” so Papa does not seem that far a stretch.
I don’t know anyone who calls their grandfather Papa but FluffyBunny said that’s what her FIL goes by, so I’m sure it varies (maybe regional?)
Mr. Jaded’s granddaughter calls him papa with the stress evenly on both syllables. We’re Canadian but his family is half American so I guess it’s more an American thing than Canadian but it’s gradually migrating north.
Our child calls her father “papa.” It was his choice, but he’s not British. No one was confused.
Most Africans call their father; Papa, at least in Ghana
It’s posh British. Most British kids call their fathers Daddy if they’re children, Dad if they’re teens or older, Father if they’re adults (and uptight). You might also hear Da in Scotland or Northern Ireland, or Pa in working class communities. Papa really isn’t common outside of posh people and, apparently, hipsters.
Not true, I know a regular Dutch guy who calls his father Papa, and now his daughter call him Papa in the the U S, when she started saying Da Da, he taught her Pa Pa.
Lol. It’s not posh British in the U.S., or hipster. Melting pot.
When my son was three, he watched 101 Dalmatians. One of the pups referred to his mom as ‘mother, and from that day on my son called me mother. I’ve heard him say mom twice in the last 30 years. I’m used to it now, but I got a lot of judgement over it.
Didn’t The Cambridge’s have Charlotte’s card referring to William as “papa” and Im pretty sure Charles referred to Philip in the same way as well. “My dear papa” and Harry himself calls(called, if Charles still takes his phone calls) “pa”. He did it at the wedding.
Seems like a common thing in the royal family
Not really, with so many immigrants in the U S, Papa is not a strange word, even in the Caribbean some children call their fathers papa.
My kids call their father Papa and their German Grandfather Opa. I think Papa and it’s sound alikes- Appa, Abba, tata, buba, etc are pretty common.
Exact same situation here with Papa and Opa except Opa and Oma (grandma) are Dutch Canadian.
But I do remember one time when my son was a toddler and he pointed to someone that looked like his dad from the back and said “Papa!” and the lady we were sitting near said “Aw, does that person look like his grandpa?” So I think Papa’s more common use is for Grandpas in America.
My parents are Italian immigrants, they are Papa and Mama to me, grandparents are Nonna and Nonno. It’s not weird and no one was ever confused.
@fluffy, I’m sure as the kids get older they’ll say “my dad” when they are around friends even if they call Harry “papa” at home. People have different traditions, my mother called my grandmother “Mother dear” which was common in the South when she was a child, while I always used “Mommy” and some of my friends called their mothers “Mama”.
Tom Daley’s son calls him papa, I think? Which I know from going down the rabbit hole of watching his YouTube videos, which are really cute.
My daughter ( 14 ) calls her dad “ Dada” for the most part BUT I’ve noticed when she wants to wheedle something from him she calls him Papa. It’s veeerrry effective,lol…
Not confusing at all. In fact, people use many names interchangeably. Dad, Daddy, Father, Papa, Pops, etc. Not really a big deal.
My dad called his grandpa papa, and everyone called him papa. We’re English speakers but not American/ English.
How tone deaf is the “dressed for a funeral” remarks? H & M were visiting a site that is filled with horror and distress for most U.S. citizens. What should they have worn, hot-pink party coats?
Spare me.
@Merricat: Totally. I don’t know if the press didn’t know where Harry and Meghan were, if they forgot about 9/11 or they fell into the old habit of criticising Meghan for wearing dark clothes.
@Merricat, that comment really annoyed me. It is the gravesite of thousands of people. The British media is so eager to criticize Meghan that they throw all common sense and decency out the window.
This visit was a huge success, I’m so happy for them.
Point of information: Patti Harris is the CEO of Bloomberg Philanthropies, not Bloomberg.
I’m just here to call Megan Madame Duchess now. I kept thinking about how much I love that moniker yesterday.
That detail on Harry’s portfolio is PRECIOUS.
I love how it totally encapsulates the American way of thinking where Duchess is more her job title than who she is. Whereas in the UK, Kate being called Duchess is all about her station in society and who she married. Madame Duchess is great, it signifies a high profile professional, woman working in the charity sphere, as opposed to a tiara and coat dress wearing rich bi**h Princess.
Yes, it’s got “Madame Secretary” vibes, and I’m here for it!
Amy, you nailed exactly why I got such a kick out of reading that the reporter called her that. I will be using it from now on.
Meghan came out with a big bang! Photogenic, confident, and stylish . And the British press are losing their minds. She was sensational and adored. She and Prince Harry were big news. The rota clowns have lost control of their narrative and they’re going crazy.
💯 Meghan was on her A game and she and Harry were stellar. They were gorgeous and all about the business. I loved it and I adored watching the Salty Tears from Britain and their press
I wonder why Kensington Palace or Clarence House hasn’t ordered the Daily Mail to stop covering the Sussexes like this. Wouldn’t it be in the best interest of the “working royals” to make the Daily Mail and the Royal Rota IGNORE Harry and Meghan and Archwell? And instead put that focus on…Baldimort’s football chat? What are KP and CH not doing that they need to do to make that deal?
No one is going to stop the tabloids from making money.
It’s in the royal family’s best interests for the tabloids to keep attacking Harry & Meghan until Meghan and her children go away and Harry returns to the royal family alone.:
The royal family needs the other members of the family to see the savagery of the tabloids on H&M and decide to stay in good with the family so they don’t get attacked
The royal family needs George, Charlotte & Louis in particular to see “This is what will happen to YOU if you decide to leave: We will shun you and we will endlessly attack you.”
Unlike Harry, George , Charlotte & Louis will never be allowed to take a foreign spouse or a spouse with their own money.
If a crazed person harms/kills Meghan, Archie or Lili because they were whipped up by the tabloids, the family will be happy because the dark stain on their bloodline has been washed white again
If a crazed person harms/kills Meghan, Archie or Lili the family can point to them and say “See, this is what will happen to YOU if you step out of line.”
William & Kate will rarely if ever mention the existence of Archie and Lili to George, Charlotte or Louis and those children will be taught that Pippa & James’ children are their cousins, not Archie & Lili. The “Firm” cannot have George, Charlotte or Louis looking at the freedom their American cousins have and wanting that for themselves.
So it would seem logical to call off the tabloids from reporting on the Sussexes and letting them fade away but letting the Sussexes fade away would not help the royal family retain control over the rest of the family.
@Emmitt, that’s…really dark and I think, totally true. I shudder to think about the control that will be exerted on Louis and Charlotte to make sure they don’t “pull a Harry.” Unfortunately, there’s no guarantee that the UK public will want to support Charlotte and Louis as working royals, so there’s a good chance that they will be raised to live in a world that will no longer exist for them.
H&M’s first public appearance since coming o America is an event. William liking football is business as usual. I don’t think there’s any kind of deal the royals can make to stop the DM from profiting off of H&M.
because if they aren’t talking about the Sussexes they’re going to talk about the other royals and “William met with footballers” isn’t going to sell papers, so sooner or later they will have to talk about things like William and Kate living separate lives, which the palace doesn’t want them talking about. So the Sussexes it is.
@Becks, they have got to cave at some point though, don’t they? The palace also didn’t want tabloids covering the Charles & Diana mess, but it dominated headlines for years. The Sussex attacks are getting old and repetitive. Idk what will force a change, but eventually something must, right? (I hope 🙏🏻)
Did they freak out about how much it cost the tax payers when the keenbridges did it? Or Katie keen jewelry collection cost. Or how much it cost the keenbridges for security or when the keenbridges went on a date in St. Andrews.? No. I didn’t think so. Must be the black thing that has these racist haters pressed. Cause last time I checked Harry and Meghan work for the money that pays for all their stuff.
Oh it’s totally that, I agree. A “how dare they have nice things” argument – so obviously racist but nope ‘they’re very much not a racist family/country”.
Salty Isle lived up to its name yesterday. I saw all kinds of hot takes. My favorite was the security detail whine. Why do they have security?! Who’s paying for it? Whine! Whine! Whine! Nothing but a bunch of racist douchebags pissed that a black woman not only rejected and escaped their abuse, but that she continues to thrive without them.
Seriously? Who’s paying for it? Didn’t they point out repeatedly that the main reason for them hustling and signing those deals was so they could pay for their own security?
This!
It’s unfair that they have to pay for all these themselves when they are literally doing charity work for the world. Isn’t this what the ‘working’ royals are funded for?
This must be costing them so much money privately. They have big hearts. But it’s unfair. There should be some sort of tax deduction at the very least…
It’s better that they have cut ties completely with the UK. The UK media acts as if they are still working royals, paid for by the UK public but the truth is that they are completely independent. They owe jack shit to the UK media. They don’t owe them any pictures of their children, information about their lives, or any attention at all. Freedom may be expensive, but they have true independence, even though those racist bullies won’t accept it. It’s just like the deranged ex who can’t accept a break-up.
The Sussexes were provided with security by the NYPD and the Secret Service because Harry and Meghan are members of the BRF, regardless of their working status. The fact they were visiting high value targets (WTC/UN/WHO) and meeting with the Mayor and Governor and US Ambassador dictated they have police escort in and around the city.
I believe most big city police departments have a detail that handles dignitaries and New York’s is probably huge given the number high profile people that go there. But I’m guessing it would only be for public or official events. I don’t believe they would be providing security for private events, the Sussexes would have to pay for that themselves. With the number of security firms and car services in New York that’s probably a piece of cake to set that up.
Yes, the city literally budgets for visitors like this. The haters want the rules to suddenly change because it’s the Sussexes. And anyway, the haters can bitch about it all they want to. No one’s going to be publicly discussing their security situation.
This is exactly the sort of thinking that would get them in trouble here (in America), btw. Rich people doing charitable things on their own dime is fine. RIch people expecting taxpayers to chip in on expenses is not.
They’re all so angry over the loss of control and the inability to convince Americans that Harry and Meghan are horrible people. We love to see it. Sorry, but you’re never going to be able to convince Americans that two people who chose to get off of welfare and earn their own money are monsters. That doesn’t work here. We love financial independence and a success story after shaking off your haters. If they knew anything about Americans, they’d know this stuff does not play here.
I’m enjoying the NYC visit and I hope they get to step outside and interact a little with the public. Take a page out of the playbook of American presidents and make an unannounced stop at a neighborhood restaurant or a local bookstore, cameras in tow, of course. I love when Obama does this. The people go wild. Meghan and Harry are the only royals who could even remotely pull that off. I’d love to see them do something like that. The tears and teeth gnashing from the palace and the British media would be something to see, lol.
What I don’t understand is why the BM and the palace thinks that they can control the media of a whole ass other country thousands of miles away. This isn’t the UK and nobody here has to waste time propping up the Keens or defending a rapist because that’s what the royals demand. I actually saw an article saying that Prince William is losing American support to Harry and I’m like, why the hell would he have our support anyway? Who the hell is he? And it’s not like Will Jung Un was burning up our newsfeeds prior to H&M anyway. Get real.
Harry and Meg are over here now, with different goals now. The main ones being showing America what they can do and accomplish because that’s what the US mostly cares about, showing your worth. Not about some damn crown.
The suites at the Carlyle look nice enough. It’s kinda just a place to rest your head though. You have to pay extra for WiFi and breakfast, which comes included at a place like Embassy Suites. I get for people like H & M the choice of hotels has as much to do with security and the discretion of the staff. But as a traveler myself I do not under why $2k/night hotels include fewer amenities in the price than $200/night hotels.
Because they can lol. For the “name” of the hotel/luxury.
It’s like buying a car: a LOT of mid-priced cars have a LOT of safety features standard now. But if you look at luxury cars (looking at you, BMW, Mercedes, Porsche), you have to pay for almost ALL safety features as extras.
My last lease was a MB C300, and I got a *great* deal on it, with *almost* all of the safety features I was looking for. When I started looking at a new lease (an SUV this time, because of my dad), for fun, I looked at a Porsche Macan….and on *top* of the high base price, just about *everything* was “extra”; drove the price up about $35K!!! For BMW it wasn’t as bad, but it also drove up the base price $15K!
The people who can afford to pay the 2K can afford to pay for the extras. It’s a money grab. What’s an extra $500 for services if you’re paying $2000 a night? It’s the old, “if you have to ask the price, you can’t afford it.” Sometimes you can get a great deal on a room at a hotel like that. When I would do long-time travels, I would book 2 nights on arrival in a country at the swankiest hotel 5 star hotel I could for the cheapest price I could find. It was a great way to acclimate to a new country and time zone before travelling much cheaper and closer to the ground the rest of the trip.
Lanne – One time, my traveling companion did just that – got us a killer deal on a luxury hotel. Seemed great till I discovered there was no coffee maker in the room. So, not only were we forced to buy coffee in the hotel cafe, we had to wait for it to open in the morning or leave the hotel at 6am in search of coffee. That experience is why I side-eye the nicer hotels. I’m sure Embassy Suites sounds absolutely drab to those accustomed to traveling in style, but dayum do I like my free perks.
The suites are more like $1,300 a night and they come with breakfast and Wi-Fi.
It’s got my favorite bar though – Bemmelman’s Bar. The walls have murals of Madeline
https://www.rosewoodhotels.com/en/the-carlyle-new-york/dining/bemelmans-bar
I LOVE Bemelman’s! When my nieces come to visit, I definitely want to take them to the Madeline-themed tea for children (which I’ll probably enjoy more than they will, lol).
I am looking at these pix and what comes to mind is that Diana did all the heavy lifting to make sure this was a very possible option for her 2nd son. She knew the firm would always take care of William so he would be fine. She hoped what she did would make him a far better royal than anyone before him but alas. He has too much of his father and that family inn him.
Not only did she make sure he/Harry got a bit of a financial cushion independent of the royal family’s control, in the event of her death but she created a caring presence in the rest of the world, opening a door to escape the isolated british monarchy if he wished. She also worked hard at breaking the elitist and only way to be a royal mindset for both her sons. She allowed them to see that there were people of value, people equal in value, outside the upper crust of british/european high society etc. Harry has not squandered his inheritance, bequeath to him by his dear mother, at all. You have to admire him for expanding it even, because it would have been very easy for him to do the opposite. He has not taken the easy way at all but it appears to be the happy route. Diana must be pleased!!
Absolutely! I was just thinking this yesterday.
I love the Carlyle….why wouldn’t they stay there? The location is wonderful in the Upper East Side. I like it much better than the Mark which is nearby. The Mark is too “trendy” looking for me.
The Carlyle is old school New York, elegance and discretion all the way. Also, one of my very favorite spots in NYC is Bemelman’s Bar in the Carlyle. I see Harry and Meghan have been photographed having drinks there. LOVE LOVE LOVE!
Also, they look amazing. I love Meghan’s fall wardrobe. The only thing better than fall in NYC is Spring.
It’s cute how the people screaming we love you Meghan also make a point to say we love you too Harry. Harry is probably so happy that Meghan get to see the support that she has.
Harry was the more interesting prince but with Meghan he’s so much more. He’s aware his partnership with Meghan is why we’re screaming for him, and that’s what makes him so easy to love.
All of the other men in that family were forever consumed with jealousy and resentment when their wives received more attention than they did, and it’s so juvenile and petty. I love how happy it makes Harry.
Where do they expect them to stay, an AirBNB in Chelsea? For the love of Pete!
On the topic of security in NYC hotels, my husband and I were once staying in one – not the Carlyle, nice but not that nice – and the room at the end of the hall had two security guards outside of it the whole time. I jokingly asked them if the Queen was staying there or something and they just said “someone’s children”. I’ve always wondered who it was. I imagine the top hotels there often have to think of security issues.
Yep–they don’t want anyone to get kidnapped and thrown into the trunk of a car from their hotel. A hotel would be an easy “entry point” for assassination and kidnapping attempts. Lots of the biggest, most high-profile assassinations have taken place at hotels. And Meghan has already dealt with lunatics who wanted to stab her in her “fake belly” or “rip off” her “fake belly” during her pregnancy.
Plus they don’t need it. Even if they chose to stay on the first floor which is typically the least favoured they’d make it shine and everyone would want to stay on that first floor afterwards. They just do them
Some of the coverage around this trip is just off the rails. They are pricing out everything from the jewelry she’s always wearing since they got engaged, to her clothes, to the hotel, and wondering who is footing the bill. I know who is NOT paying for it ( cough UK taxpayers). Also, they keep going on about them having drinks in this swanky bar, which is actually located in the same hotel. Imagine, going to the bar and restaurant of the hotel you’re staying at, the nerve! The Carlyle is near Central Park so good location. I recall when Meghan was in NY for her shower, the Rota was all salty that she stayed at the Mark instead of the Carlyle, because the Carlyle was considered more discreet and since Diana had stayed there and she wasn’t, she was snubbing it. Well now they’re staying there and not even in the royal suite, but now it’s a problem. Can’t make this stuff up.
Story about harry is a hostage.
They need it to turn it around.
Harry is the one keeping meghan as a hostage.
Have you seen the videos,
harry continuously rubbing meghan’s back,
harry watching meghan all the time,
Harry looking at meghan likes he want to eat her up.
Harry locking up meghan in their hotel room while he is going outside for dinner without her.
Feel free to use my story DM
The British really don’t understand free enterprise-if they did an understanding of making one’s own way with their own god given talents is what America is about-The Brits keep showing their own hatred and evil mindsets-They need to remember the whole world exists not just their salty isle of maniac depressives.-the poster Nyro stated it best.-God bless the Sussex family always.
Please don’t think that British journalists represent British people. Quite a number of us are ok you know and not racists. I’m certainly not proud of my country at the moment but don’t write us all off hey? We didn’t do that to you in the dark Trump times! X
Do the idiots whining about the somber attire realize that the 911 memorial is an actual grave site. That some people were never found. Disrespectful b@st@ards.
I don’t care if they snuck into the ‘royal suite’ (which I don’t think they even have anymore) and ordered exactly what Diana did from room service. It’s their money. Not mine, not yours, not anybody else’s. Cry harder British media and haters, my margarita needs more salt for the rim.