One of the legitimate questions a lot of people have about the Reverse Sussexit is “why in the world did the Duchess of Sussex agree to come back to live in the UK whatsoever?” People accept that Prince Harry has been homesick and that he misses spending time with his deadbeat father, and that he also misses seeing the Spencers regularly. On Harry’s side, this (hopefully temporary) relocation makes sense. But what about Meghan? Why did she suddenly agree to this? And what will she work on in the coming year? Well, there’s a rumor that she was offered an acting role in the UK:
The Duchess of Sussex has been offered an acting role in the UK, according to reports. Entertainment sources told news.com.au that the Duchess had been offered a role in an upcoming project based in Britain.
The Telegraph revealed on Wednesday that the Duke and Duchess of Sussex were returning to the UK later this month, with their children Prince Archie, seven, and Princess Lilibet, five, already enrolled at a British school before September.
The details of the acting project have not yet been confirmed, but it is thought to be one of the reasons behind the couple’s decision to return to the UK. Sources close to the Sussexes have not denied the report.
She returned to acting for the first time in nearly 10 years, playing herself in the upcoming comedy Close Personal Friends starring Lily Collins and Brie Larson.
I know the randomness of this irritates the Sussex Squad, but I actually hope it’s true. I hope Meghan stays booked and busy, and I hope she has a full slate of projects and businesses occupying her time during the relocation. I hope she’s taking acting gigs and I hope she launches As Ever internationally and I hope she takes on more commercial work. Meanwhile, Rob Shuter has another side:
Meghan Markle may be willing to return to Britain — but sources tell Naughty But Nice this is very much a trial, not a permanent move.
According to friends, Meghan has agreed to spend six months based in the UK, while keeping the Sussexes’ Montecito home and their vacation property in Portugal. She is not giving up either house, making it clear that California still feels like home.
The bigger problem? Meghan knows almost nobody in Britain outside the royal world, and that isolation could make the transition incredibly difficult again.
One friend tells Naughty But Nice: “Meghan is agreeing to try it, but she isn’t moving back to Britain. Six months is the test. She wants an exit strategy.”
And that arrangement could put enormous pressure on the Sussex marriage. Harry has spent years insisting that his future is with his wife and children in California. Meghan, meanwhile, would be leaving behind her mom, the life and support system she built there. Friends fear the question eventually becomes unavoidable: where does the family actually belong?
Another source tells Naughty But Nice: “Eventually, Harry may have to choose between his wife’s happiness and his country. That is the nightmare scenario nobody wants to talk about.”
Meghan’s mother, Doria Ragland, is said to be heartbroken by the prospect of her daughter moving so far away. A six-month experiment may sound temporary. But for the Sussexes, it could become the biggest test of their marriage yet.
The “six month” agreement makes no sense, since six months from now would be February 2027, the middle of her children’s school year. You know what makes sense? A one-year agreement to relocate, to try this out, to help Harry out as he’s involved in the preparations for Invictus Birmingham (scheduled for July 2027). I do not believe that Meghan wants to raise her kids in the UK or that she wants to live in the UK for longer than a year. And yeah, it’s possible that is an indicator of marriage trouble. Harry and Meghan still haven’t issued one on-the-record statement about any of this and we’re just taking it on faith that they’re on the same page on everything.
Update: It’s being widely confirmed that Meghan plans to return to acting, likely in Guy Ritchie’s The Gentlemen series?? Apparently, there are early talks about Meghan taking a role in the third season.
Photos courtesy of Netflix.
I find it impossible to believe Meghan would live across the planet from her kids. So this may be a trial, but I bet it’s a year-long trial. One part of the test is no doubt how the tabloids handle it and whether we see a repeat of the vile misogynoir.
I also think it will be a year long, but not because it’s a trial. If Charles’ health has worsened, he might only have a year. The Invictus games are in 2027. And something else of significance is a year away, and that’s the 30th anniversary of Diana’s death. It wouldnt surprise me if Harry is trying to plan something for the anniversary.
Mrs. K, with the rational explanation, as always. Even if Willard doesn’t want to mark the 30th anniversary with his brother, doesn’t mean the Spencers don’t have something in mind. They probably feel like they are the true guardians of Diana’s memory, after how Willard has behaved. And tbh, they are.
I’m with you on the Chuck situation as well. He’s on the wane and probably getting his affairs in order.
The “trial to permanence” is wishful thinking on the media’s part. They are the ones who desperately need a reverse of Sussexit.
My only thought, since first hearing about this, (this all came up seemingly quickly), is that Charles’ health is much more dire than anyone has been privy to. It might’ve been a shock to H&M seeing him, a fragility perhaps, that wasn’t apparent in doctored photos in the tabs? Either way, my gut was saying Charles doesn’t make it past Invictus, IF he even lasts that long.
And I totally agree with Kaiser, unless something HUGE happens, Meg won’t pull the kids out of school mid-year and go to Portugal or back to Montecito.
First test will be Remembrance Day, if they’re invited to be with family and if Harry is allowed to lay a wreath. Then, Charles’ Christmas Concert: are they both invited (doubt the kids would come), and Balmoral/Christmas Church walk.
I just hope, for their sake, enough security has been put in place, and the tabs leashed, so that no drones are flying over their home again, and that Archie & Lili (both home/school) are left alone and safe!
I agree that it’s partly about Charles’ health. I also still think it’s about the Games. There’s so much more Harry and Meghan can do prepping for them when they are on the ground in the UK. Meanwhile the family is together. There’s no missing out on birthdays. There’s no Harry having to jet back and forth alone. They can spend time with the Spensers. They can visit places that Harry loves in his birth country. Heck they can hop a plane to France and take the kids to EuroDisney. I don’t think this will be forever. But it can be a test run to see if they will be able to spend quality time in Britain as a family (but not part of the BRF).
I think the one-year makes sense. Especially because the People article said it was for “an extended period” not a permanent relocation
Here’s hoping they give the tacky Christmas Concert a miss even if they are invited!
Kate would release a statement about how she “is trying to be the bigger person”.
I don’t think the tabloids and the people who hate her will ever let go of the misogynoir they aim at her unless they find a bigger target for it.
You’d think it’d’ve been a royal pedo, but that’s apparently completely acceptable ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Someone correct me if I’m wrong please. But regarding the Sussexes’s move to England it seems like we know only four things.
1- We know that the Sussexes are going to relocate to England.
They are returning for an unknown length of time, for unknown reasons, under unknown circumstances with unknown conditions in place.
2- we know that the Sussexes – in their own words and in their own shared photos – have been very happy in California.
3- we know that the Sussexes make their decisions carefully, plan meticulously, and center their family and their relationship in everything they do.
4- we know that the last time the Sussexes lived in England, it was under very different circumstances. It was catastrophic for their well being and they left both the institution of the Royal Family and the entire country and media behind. I think it’s a valid assumption to believe that the Sussexes do not feel that they are returning to the same situation.
I’ve supported them in their lives and in their work. They seem to be genuinely good people who want to make the world a much better place for everyone. They have spent a decade making very good decisions together, even when their decisions didn’t make sense to anyone but them.
So – I’m trusting that they have a much better understanding of what a return to the country would mean for them and the reasons that were compelling enough for them to do so.
And I hope so much that it works out better than they dared to dream.
I hate that the multiple headlines are back again. The ghouls in the media are already gleefully churning out multiple articles about this since this came out two days ago. Just in the bbc alone there are numerous articles about it this. They can clearly see a lot of money to be made from this. I hope it’s worth it for their family.
The same press corps who have been ‘quietly reflecting’ since the death of Jason Arday are now hammering Meghan once again. Hypocrites! A year-long trial in the UK would make sense on all accounts. Harry has lived away from his home country for almost 7 years now, and their children barely know anything about it. Marriage is sometimes about compromise and if a security deal has been made, which I think it has, then the temporary move makes sense.
I have no real sense of what they’re doing. I am puzzled why Harry thinks a British education is better than good quality private schools in the U.S. which are excellent. I lean towards his emotional responses getting the better of him but they make him look ridiculous. As for Meghan, whatever the reason is for agreeing to this, I’m thinking she better keep her head down and focus on her projects exclusively. The tabloids are loving this and it will be even worse I suspect, second time around.
I agree Magi7 wholeheartedly. I cannot see how Meghan could have agreed to return. I do fear for her and the children; only recently a TV presenter referred to Archie and Lili as “little creatures”. I’m baffled. I do hope Harry makes a statement soon.
Why would harry want to be there in future when scooter becomes king. Scooter wanted to break up harry and meghan. And try to persuade harry to stay. Harry should walk away and not look back rather than stay to help scooter
That’s a good point. They may have decided that the UK is going to be even more dangerous after Charles passes and so this is basically their last opportunity to spend any significant time there (assuming Charles has a relatively short amount of time left).
This. Assuming they have a year-ish to spend there before Bill becomes king. Sounds like it is important to Harry to have that year— more time with his Spencer family, and also his father. Then they won’t be able to go back. I really hope their security is in place and that the plan is doable for Meghan.
That’s exactly my thought: they want to spend time with Charles for whatever time he has left. I think they’ll return to the US when Charles passes. Archie and Lili are a prince and princess of the UK, so this gives them a chance to get to know their heritage.
I see it more like Harry establishing his right as a citizen to live in the UK for as long or as short a time as he chooses, and to travel freely, without “permission” from the monarch. This also applies to Archie and Lilibet in the future. Easier to do while Charles is king, but William can’t be allowed to think that he can ban Harry and his family from the country.
@mairzydoats Bingo!! Harry is a white alpha prince that is marking his territory and letting William know that he (and his children) have more rights to his homeland. I’ve always felt like that’s what the problem has been especially for William that Harry is not going to let William limit him or keep him from what is his birthright. And for that attitude I’m all for it.
That has been my thought as well. They are trying to create a system in which they can travel and stay between the two countries. This is the first step. But oh wow, imagine if Meghan has an acting role. Bc I’m sorry that’s kind of exciting.
The King, whomever it might be, has no legal authority to ban a British Citizen or any foreign citizen from living in the UK. A Constitutional Monarchy isn’t set up that way. That is covered by the Home Office under laws passed by Parliament.
Yes, the King doesn’t have the legal authority to ban a citizen but they can place a target on them for the system to abuse them and make their life a living hell. We just have to look at the example of Ngozi Fulani whose charitable organization was ruined for having the temerity to not lie about being racially harassed by the old witch, Lady Susan Hussey.
Bingo Mairzie!!! to everything you said. Drawing a line in the sand by Harry. Also, “if not now, when?” Timing is everything. Not just a cliche. I’ve learned that the hard way myself. To lose this perfect window would be very bad planning. Harry HAS to give this a stab or everything in the future would suffer.
Only Harry and Meghan know why they are doing this . That’s their business. I have given this a lot of thought and it’s wrong of me to have such strong opinions about people I don’t know. I will pray for them and pray that Meghan is able to keep her happiness and peace and that lily and Archie can continue to be happy well adjusted children. May god keep them safe and happy.
You’re right. They are adults. Tbf I wouldn’t let a child of mine anywhere near a „shooter drill“ in a US school. That must be so traumatic for the little ones.
Former 1st/2nd grade teacher here. Were you freaked out when you had to do fire drills as a kid? Because in my experience, to most, it’s basically the same level of seriousness. They’ve been doing these drills since as early as pre-K, so it’s rather routine. So incredibly depressing, I know.
@miranda. it is super depressing. i also think it’s kind of a matter of perspective? i’m older (so old…), and i remember having to do nuclear war drills in school. they were the same as our tornado drills! go in the hall and cover your head! ha! but school shootings were something we never thought of or had to deal with, so it’s more terrifying to me. i don’t have children, but i have nephews, and they’re none the worse for wear. it’s just a different part of their reality. i work in children’s publishing, and there are a lot of books our there that deal with it in what i feel are sensitive and realistic ways.
I remember the ‘duck and cover’ drills (in case of nuclear explosion). Those terrified the crap out of me, I think it was the sirens more than the ducking under my desk. I think drills affect different kids in different ways.
“May god keep them safe and happy.”
Hear, hear!
Respectfully, @Over it, it’s only natural for people who care about the Sussexes to have strong feelings about their decision to return to the UK. This is the same environment that led to Meghan’s suicidal ideations, and one that—JUST LAST MONTH—was too dangerous for her and the kids to visit without their movements being cloaked in secrecy. I worry about their mental and physical safety, and I don’t feel “wrong” for doing so.
Apparently, they know very well what they are doing working with THEO JAMES!! With Meghan that will be a hotness explosion followed by a smokeshow, and the Keens will absolutely melt down. I can’t even imagine what they are gonna do. Nature videos vs Guy Ritchie HAHAHAHA. And apparently Netflix still hates her, which is why she is on a chart topping show. My head is spinning but I’m enjoying the show. They are coming back with a bang, unapologetic. Go Meghan
And how would they expect her to work on a Guy Ritchie show without doing interviews?! They all spew such nonsense.
i love the idea of her on that show (even though I’ve never seen it.) But also, what a plot twist if this is the catalyst for the move.
Look, Squaddies have been melting down for days thinking that Harry is dragging her back against her will, that this is the first step towards a divorce, that Harry is obsessed with being king, and on and on and on.
But what if this move is all about Meghan??? What if she was offered this role and said to Harry, hey, I know it sounds crazy, but what if…..
Maybe she’s the one driving this move and not the other way around.
I agree, only they know. It must be hard having every step you take in life scrutinized up and down, left and right, big and small. Harry and Meghan have that “Diana factor” though, for lack of a better way to describe it. I can’t wait to see what’s next for them!
They called it liberty flight u-turn yesterday lol
Whatever it is, whatever the reasons for this move, i’m hoping for the best and not the beginning of a conscious uncoupling!!!
I think it’s due to visa issues for Harry
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Visa, tax liability, family commitments, Invictus, work opportunities, less constraint under CIII than a potential Baldimort reign, there’s many possibilities and only the Sussexes what they want out of this UK jaunt.
Ya know, a spouse of a US citizen can apply for US citizenship after 3 years of marriage (with 18 months of presence in the US, and the nebulous “being of good character” which mostly just means don’t be a convicted felon or terrorist), with the average processing time for approval (or denial) being 5 to 8 months.
And that citizenship information is protected just like visa information, so that would not necessarily get out there if Harry did do it.
Were Harry to want to become a citizen of the US I believe he’d *have* to relinquish his title, at least here, in the US. And while (according to AI) this would not alter his place in the line of succession, you can bet your last nickel Peggy would pounce of the renouncement and do *everything* he could to take it away in GB, as well as try and get him tossed from the LoS, even thought *that* takes an act of Parliament.
According to Google AI:
Titles are Not Required: A person does not need to hold a title like “Prince” or “Duke” to remain in the line of succession. For example, many distant royals do not carry official titles but still maintain their numerical place in line.
Foreign Citizenship is AllowedInternational Precedent: Foreign nationals regularly occupy spots in the British line of succession. The King of Norway, for instance, holds a spot far down the list.Automatic Naturalization: If an unexpected tragedy occurred and a non-British citizen became the next in line to inherit the crown, U.K. law dictates that they would automatically become a British citizen the exact moment they ascend the throne.
Only Parliament Can Change ItAbsolute Authority: The British monarch cannot unilaterally strip someone of their place in the line of succession.Act of Parliament: Removing someone requires an explicit act passed by the U.K. Parliament, as parliament ultimately holds supreme authority over the crown’s title
The deranger comments are intensifying. Not good
For six years any mention of H&M moving back to the UK was considered a deranger comment. Now that its happening, what constitutes a deranger comment? Anyone who claims to know what’s going on (or who’s “instincts” have the answer) needs to sit down.
As an example the deranger comments talk of divorce and how meghan will have to curtsey to keen. Same comments different context. The hope they divorce talk has been going on for years
What was shut down as deranger comments was the idea that they would move back due to a divorce, or because they were broke and were running back to England with their tails between their legs.
Neither is happening here. A wealthy couple is moving back to the home country of one half of said couple and will keep multiple homes in different countries.
Thank you! Recent developments show the supporters are equally just reading tea leaves from press briefings that turned out H and M also engage in, instagram photos and litte else. They’ve been proven right many times, and the opposite too. We don’t know if it’s a sign of marriage troubles, we can’t say acting is off the table and we don’t know if they handle money wisely or not etc. I do wish them the best and pull out the popcorn for the Keens return from vacation.
If divorce or being broke have been ruled out, this doesn’t mean that moving back to the UK makes sense. Being happily married and financially stable don’t justify returning to the country that is openly hostile to your existence.
I wonder exactly what was said at the meeting Charles had with Harry and Meghan (who brought the children).
Thank you Tessa and Becks1 because those are exactly what deranger comments are. There is no logic to how derangers think. To them 1+1=78 and there is no logic to why. They firmly believe the things they say and never need or use facts or rational thinking to come to any conclusions. We all know that derangers and UK media come here to find ridiculous talking points and any suggestion that a couple moving together with their children to a country that they once lived at is a sign of marriage problems, now or in the future, is as deranged as it gets. The same with talks about them being broke or needing to be royal adjacent. Couples who are having marriage problems don’t return TOGETHER to the place where most of their worst experiences happened? Couples who are stronger and have a solid marriage can return to the place it started because they know that they and their relationship are more resilient than they and it was all those years ago. They’ve been through the worst of it and still managed to get to the other side. They lost a child, yet they walked through that unbearable pain and managed to be stronger and have another child. people who are broke don’t keep one home in another country (or two) and buy or rent another one in another country that they aren’t sure how long they will be at. They don’t have to physically be in the UK to be royal adjacent because THEY ARE ROYALS.
Yeah the 6 month timeline makes no sense because of school schedules in the UK and the US. I can definitely see it being a plan with a timeline of a year, which works out with the timing of Invictus. They’re not keeping a mansion in California for funsies.
I wonder if this is as simple as they want to spend more time in the UK going forward, and they want the kids to be comfortable there and to not always feel like “visitors” – so they want to have a house there, they want the kids to have some roots, etc.
I have no idea. But I am looking forward to another day of everyone, supporter or deranger, being completely reasonable about this LOL.
(but yes I do think this is completely a joint decision. I don’t think it was Meghan’s idea or that she jumped for joy when it was first discussed, but I do think at this point she’s fully on board for whatever reason.)
A year makes sense given the timeline for Invictus and the kids get to become more familiar with the country their father grew up in now they’re old enough to remember more of it.
“I have no idea. But I am looking forward to another day of everyone, supporter or deranger, being completely reasonable about this LOL.”
Honestly? I kinda think that watching the comments here has been almost as entertaining as William/his proxies crashing out, lol.
“Harry is stupid!! He’s dragging Meghan along!!! how can she put up with this!!!!”
I mean…..this whole thing is a big dream for the british press. they have talked about nothing else for 48 hours lol.
Okay I’m coming back in to say what if we are all just overthinking this? what if it is as simple as H&M wanting to give the kids a taste of British life for a year while they’re young, and that’ s that? I have a childhood friend who married a French man. They moved to france for a year around 2021 I think and the boys went to school there, they traveled, spent time with his family etc. They’re back in Boston now and I dont think plan to move again but that was the timing that worked for them. Maybe this is just as simple as that. It’s not about Charles or William etc.
And maybe they want to see if they can have the kind of quiet life in the UK that they have in California – school runs, farmer market visits etc with visits to London for restaurants or nights out. And if it doesnt work, they move back.
Maybe there is something big behind the scenes – that was certainly my first thought- but maybe its just a matter of “if not now, when?”
That’s what I’ve been saying the whole time whilst craziness was happening all around both here and in the tabloids. That is what they’ve both said in the past. Now if Meghan is going to do some acting while here great for her. I knew M way before she met Harry- as a good and appealing actress. Harry wanting to be king was peak crazy for here though.
Its so surprising to me that I hvnt seen H&M supporters bringing up what H&M said in their exit statement of Jan 2020 that it was their wish “to balance our time between North America and the UK,” and to raise their child (it was only Archie then) with an understanding of his heritage.
The fact that financially and security-wise (and all the other bts maneuvers about which we will never get details) theyre now in a position to establish themselves in their own home in britain as they have done in N. America (with a foothold in continental Europe) is a testament to the bold, focused and strategic manner in which they have structured their family-life despite the noise and threats.
These 2 phenomenal human beings have proven time and again that they are above average in intelligence and in their ability to “adult.” I challenge anyone to show me another individual, couple or family who has not only survived but thrived in the face of sustained global bullying with the intent to destabilize or destroy, initiated by powerful forces, for over 10 years (2016-2026.)
The fact that they have powerful friends and allies (as well as their ordinary supporters around the globe) to help them, is just another example that in their youth they had “Cast [their] bread upon the waters,” and now they are finding it “after many days.”
All this. And I’m certain this was not a ‘sudden’ decision, but one that had been in the making for quite some time. They just saw no need to make any public announcements, as is their right.
@Kingston and @BeanieBean
Completely agree with you both. I feel like so many people are forgetting that Meghan loved England before she ever met Harry, and she planned to move her whole life there for good when she married him.
She had already dealt with the fact that she would be separated from Doria and her friends here, and was excited about continuing her philanthropic work from their base there.
They have both said straight out that they want to spend time both in Britain and in America.
Unfortunately for those plans, multiple members of Harry’s family completely trashed their whole plan, by being narcissistic, racist, misogynistic bullies — aided and abetted by the poisonous Hydra that is the British press.
When H&M were “senior working royals,” they were employed by and therefore at the mercy of the Firm.
After they walked away from that job, and successfully established lives as private citizens making their own way; after they survived and thrived despite the ongoing campaign against them, there’s no reason they shouldn’t go back to a version of the life they originally planned.
Yes, the UK press is still terrible, but if the last six years have proven anything, they’ve shown that putting an ocean between them doesn’t make any difference. They still get written about daily.
So if we assume that they’re just doing what they’ve wanted to do all along, then the security problem was the remaining barrier that had to be overcome. And that was only a problem because of Harry’s family.
I believe they have to have come to some acceptable resolution about their security, otherwise it’s just highly improbable that this move will go forward at all. And if problems arise later, I expect plans will change accordingly.
A life in England doesn’t need to revolve around the monarchy, and the Sussexes have no need to allow the press to control them either. They can have a personal relationship with whatever members of Harry’s family they choose, without being involved with the Firm publicly. And they can work with the press in the manner they choose.
As for some of the speculation—
of course this has been in the works for months if not longer. Of course they didn’t just decide to up sticks and scamper back across the Pond a week after they saw Charles.
Of course they’re not going to move and then yank the kids out of school in six months. Will Meghan be acting in something? I have no clue, but if she does, I hope she has a great role and a fabulous time doing it.
As others have said, I trust them to make smart decisions about their own lives, though my opinion doesn’t matter in the slightest. I wish them all the happiness in the world.
I’m not saying Harry and Meghan moving back to the UK will be problem-free. Obviously there will be challenges. But people acting like this means they’re simply returning to the exact same situation they fled in 2020 are missing how much has changed.
They’re not working royals anymore. They don’t answer to the Palace. They have their own money, businesses, staff, lawyers, communications people and their own home. They can choose what events they attend, who they work with and how much interaction they have with the royal institution.
And importantly, they can defend themselves now. If the British press publishes something they believe is false or unfair, they don’t have to sit around hoping the Palace will correct it or waiting for permission to respond. They can ignore it, issue their own statement, have their spokesperson push back, or take legal action.
They also aren’t the same people they were six years ago. They’ve had years to learn how the British media ecosystem works, establish boundaries, develop coping strategies and figure out who they can and cannot trust.
Harry has now lived outside the royal system for six years. Meghan isn’t a new royal bride trying to understand an institution she just entered. They’ve been married for eight years, they’re parents of school-age children, and they’ve built an entire independent life together.
And perhaps most importantly: they have an exit door. Britain isn’t a trap anymore. If something isn’t working, they can leave.
There will absolutely still be press intrusion, family tensions, security concerns and plenty of drama. But “moving back to Britain” and “going back to their old royal life” are two completely different things.
In 2020, they had to leave Britain to get out of the royal system.
In 2026, they’ve already left the royal system. Now they can potentially live in Britain on their own terms.
That’s a very different proposition.
Really well said. this is not a “reverse megxit” or whatever else the press is calling it (I think I saw that term in WaPo or the NYT actually.)
They didnt leave the UK because they hated living in the UK. they left because they wanted to escape the intrusion of the press and they wanted to leave the toxicity of the Firm. They wanted to be able to pursue their own projects without worrying about whether Kate had something scheduled that day (likely not), they wanted to be able to push back against false narratives in the press (TBH these days I wish they would push back a little bit more), etc. And yes at the time to accomplish those things they had to leave the UK. But it was never about ‘hating” the UK. It was about hating the system they were in while in the UK. And now they’ve escaped that system so maybe they want to see how they like it now.
But let’s all remember they kept Frogmore until Charles kicked them out. they always wanted to have a home base in England.
@Snuffles and @Becks1
Thank you! I am so tired of the H&M supporters wailing why Harry drags Meghan back into the viper’s nest, how can they go back to their abusers, how Harry is dumb and Meghan follows him blindly out of love….. don’t they know the couple they supported for 6 years? Do they all simply project their family problems on them?
The Sussexes don’t go back at all. They simply spend a year in England, in a house either rented or purchased. Not a royal estate, not a crown estate, not on Windsor/Sandringham/Balmoral grounds. They can ignore the courtiers, they can ignore the other brother and his wife. No need to curtsy, except when visiting with Charles.
Harry can concentrate on Invictus, Meghan can add new recipes to As Ever (and hopefully go global), the children learn about their roots. If it doesn’t work out or any of them aren’t happy – back to Montecito.
They have no intention to move to England permanently or to become working royals again. And they certainly don’t go back to their abusers. The press is there wherever they live, whatever they do, they learned to ignore it and clap back if necessary (not often enough).
@lurker. Just last week the entire squad was adamant that H&M would NEVER return to the UK so to say they have no intention to move to England permanently is not your call to make. It should be ok to have doubts about this decision without being tagged a deranger. Many of us are capable of understanding the complexity of the situation without name calling or offering up dozens of unsubstantiated reasons for the sudden announcement.
@VMax you know the term “deranger” specifically refers to Kate’s stans who are more anti-Meghan than pro-Kate. I’m saying that bc you are a new name here – someone I never saw before yesterday, unless you changed your name – so you might think that term means more than what it actually does.
And none of this is anyone’s call to make! We’re all speculating and gossiping about people that we don’t know personally.
Yes to Snuffles and Becks1.
Lots to speculate and way too many troubled people with agenda.
The more I see serious press like NYT and the Guardian, champions of free press and truth!, go down the same rabbit hole chasing that golden carrot, the more I understand why regular folks don’t know whom to trust anymore. But perhaps it’s the only way to gin the clicks and pay everyone before AI writes all the news that’s fit to print.
@Becks1. I’m not new here. In fact just a few weeks ago I said that taking Archie and Lili to England was a good idea because they could hopefully get to know the country as a welcoming place. And let me tell you I was attacked from all sides for using the term ‘welcoming’. Not only that, I was hounded for saying it might be good for the kids to see their grandfather, the current king. But now, all those same people who branded me a traitor for raising deranger talking points are suddenly on-board with Harry and Meghan moving the family across the pond. I’m all for differing opinions but the about face jumping through hoops is what makes this all so hard to take seriously.
Agreed. I also think that they have reached a level of financial security that has enabled them move back to the UK and to live on their own terms.
Only Harry and Meghan know why they are doing this . That’s their business. I have given this a lot of thought and it’s wrong of me to have such strong opinions about people I don’t know. I will pray for them and pray that Meghan is able to keep her happiness and peace and that lily and Archie can continue to be happy well adjusted children. May god keep them safe and happy. And i agree with Kaiser that I hope it’s true she is returning to acting and working on whatever projects she wants. Her life should continue as is no matter where she lives because she is a grown ass woman with agency in her Own life
Only Harry and Meghan know why they are doing this . That’s their business. I have given this a lot of thought and it’s wrong of me to have such strong opinions about people I don’t know. I will pray for them and pray that Meghan is able to keep her happiness and peace and that lily and Archie can continue to be happy well adjusted children. May god keep them safe and happy. And i agree with Kaiser that I hope it’s true she is returning to acting and working on whatever projects she wants. Her life should continue as is no matter where she lives because she is a grown ass woman with agency in her Own life
If it is marriage trouble and they’re giving it a year just for Harry’s sake and also invictus. Why would Charles agree to this and the fact Camilla hasn’t ratted out gossip to the press also speaks volumes. Not denying Harry might be homesick but the fact that Charles and Camilla willing to agree to this and haven’t disclosed much and on top of that removed Charles most loyal aide tells me it’s deeper than that. But honestly who knows at this point lol.
I don’t think it is marriage trouble.
I recommend that anyone who thinks they have “marriage troubles” watch the Holiday Special. Sizzling hot when Harry popped in to sample the Christmas Eve gumbo. The final guest was goo goo eyed at the heat.
Their marriage isn’t in trouble. That’s crazy. No couple has a perfect, idyllic marriage, and I’ve never believed that H&M have a perfect marriage just because of all of the curated photos presented by Meghan on their Instagram, but I do believe they have a solid, committed marriage, love each other, are a team, and work through any issues.
They have been together for ten years.
Camilla has nothing to agree to. Nor does Charles, except for leaning on RAVEC to provide the appropriate security for the son of the monarch & his family. Y’all ascribe way more power to the British monarch than actually exists. They’re figureheads. They’re Head of State, not Head of Government.
All this “concern” about the state of the Sussex marriage gives me the creeps. Where on earth did the idea of marriage troubles come out of a couple announcing a temporary move to the UK ? It gives wishful thinking. It’s a huge jump to come to that conclusion…unless it’s the desired result.
Did anyone see them at the David foster event a few weeks ago? They can’t fake that affection.
This marriage trouble talk is once again deflection from the forest lodge couple who can barely smile in each other’s presence
An Archwell Production for the upcoming anniversary, based an Earl Spencer’s Swan Song – Diana, my sister??? Would love it?
Oh I would love that and it would make sense too.
The children should not be separated from their mother. The derangers will criticize those children and say how much more they admire the wales kids. Whatever happens both parents need to be with and protect the sussex children
To do that, the derangers would first have to admit the Sussex kids exist, which they’ve been campaigning hard against ever since it was announced that Meghan was pregnant with Archie. 🙄 These people are ludicrous…
Oh please. Meghan has tons of friends in the uk , of that I am sure
This! Before she met Harry, Meghan was traveling to the UK to promote SUITS, so I’m sure that she has contacts and friends that she made before she got married.
Yeah, she has quite a wide-ranging friend group & other contacts she’s built up over the years. Meghan is n not Kate.
I don’t know why everyone’s saying that harry needs to be in uk for games. He didn’t to move to Germany for the game. This doesn’t have any sense at all. I won’t be surprised that prince harry goes back to royal life means royal work. He didn’t figure his life in usa , all he does the same type of charity work but meghan built from the start and making her living. He didn’t and he was happy to do royal style tour after stepping away. He could have easily have farm or horse related. He struggle let’s not kid ourselves. He does all charity the same royal style.
This is many sussex squad were upset by this . I don’t know that’s why I don’t buy breaking generational cycles and going back to racist chuck .
After William’s proxies committed a hostile takeover of Sentebale being on hand to protect his interest in the games makes sense. Also being in Europe means less long haul back and forth to meet his commitments. With the growing oil deficit from the foolishness in the Strait of Hormuz that looks like a very smart move indeed.
H&M don’t live in a vacuum, they have a right to return to the UK.
I think Harry learned how to support himself. I think people have trouble understanding this because their work–both of them–is outside the norm for most of us. I mean, we sort of understand acting, but not really. Most of us are not wealthy (in the stinkin’ rich category these two are in), not famous, not high-dollar philanthropists. I think Harry’s got this down. And again, charity work & philanthropy are not the realm of the royals. Anyone can do it. I personally think the royal way is a front for money laundering, but that’s me.
It’s a complicated thing and we may never hear the full story. It is probably a mix of:
– Harry realizing he needs to be in the UK for Invictus often enough that the travel from California to the UK and back would take a personal toll (+ and possibly wanting not to a poster boy of flying, whether commercially or private, several times a week/month),
– talks with Charles going well enough,
– Charles not having that much time left,
– the palace and/or Charles offering them something of worth, knowing (besides the previous two things) that W&K will work a lot more if H&M are around,
– the palace finally realizing that they need H&M as semi-working royals to stay relevant,
– Meghan being open to acting roles in the UK and Europe and getting one,
– their security is cared for,
– the political situation in the US,
– whatever will happen in that one lawsuit and what Harry will have to pay,
AND
– H&M saying “we can do six months / a year” on a trial basis to see if Charles/the palace can keep the worst of the press in line. Like, if photos of the kids leak or the press puts any of them in harm’s way, then it’s only 3 or 6 months. If it goes well enough, it might be for longer or semi-permanently.
And Charles may have known about the actual day of the move only on Sunday but he def knew about the logistics before then. C’mon.
But the Palace has already briefed to the press that Harry and Meghan will not be allowed to return to royal duties. It was already reported when the announcement was made that they weren’t going to be working royals but I guess the Palace felt the need to reinforce that issue.
The Palace also said (for many years) that Camilla would never be known as queen, she would be the Princess Consort. So I don’t put much stock in what they say.
What amybee said, they are not returning to life as working royals. I think Harry is doing this for himself honestly.
Agree with all these points, plus:
– There are comments saying that H didn’t move to Germany when Invictus was there, but I can see that there will probably be a lot more hoopla around Birmingham because 1) it’s taking place in his native country, 2) there are interviews with Invictus athletes saying that Birmingham has great significance for them because that’s where all injured vets were sent to from Afghanistan/Iraq. In one interview, one athlete said it’s like a homecoming for him because after he was injured, he doesn’t remember anything except waking up in Birmingham. That’s also where they all spent significant time recovering, so this Invictus is going to be extra meaningful for everyone involved. So, I can see that there might be more run-up events than at other Invictus Games, and Harry would have to fly over multiple times.
– I think this shows the OPPOSITE of marriage trouble. M said in the Netflix doc that they’re like salt and pepper shakers — they always go together. People mag makes it clear that they’re going to be there for an “extended period of time” and keeping the Montecito house, so this isn’t a permanent move. I don’t think this is any different than actors who get movie roles overseas and move their whole family with them temporarily if they know that it’s going to be for a long time. (Obviously, this is WAY different, but same underlying reason: To keep the family together.)
– Charles’ health is probably a HUGE factor. He may be a dogshit father, but Harry has made it clear in interviews and his book that he loves Chucky nevertheless, so … And it’s obvious they got some kind of security concessions or else Harry wouldn’t be moving his whole family over. At the time of the BBC interview last year when he said he couldn’t see bringing his family over … UNLESS they had some kind of security arrangements that satisfy him and especially Meghan. I highly doubt they would put their children in danger just to “dare” the RF to do something.
– Let’s not forget that Meghan is a TYPE A PLANNER. How many times has she dropped a completed project on an unsuspecting and clueless media? (the Together cookbook, the clothing capsule, etc.) The fact that they’re moving to the UK in a matter of WEEKS means that plans have been in place for a long time. You don’t move overseas and enroll kids in school at the drop of a hat or on a whim.
P.S. If/when she starts an international base for expanding shipping/products for As Ever, certain people’s brains are going to explode and I AM HERE FOR IT.
The whole her getting into acting again just makes me think of harry and Charles talking about how she will have to keep working because Charles wasn’t willing to contribute money to pay for her.
I mean – I feel like it’s very unlikely she is doing big acting roles. I would have expected more lifestyle things, but that makes much more sense from the us than uk since anytime she even tries to talk about the uk, even if it’s just tea, she will be so attacked and it will be harder since she’ll be around it.
I think the return to acting was brought up by charles to separate harry and meghan causing a breakup. I doubt she is going back to acting
Harry has never moved before to set up Invictus so why are so many convinced that this is a reason for the sudden relocation? As for Meghan getting an acting gig, throw that on the pile with all the other theories fans have floated.
I dont think its the reason but I think its probably a consideration or a side benefit. Meaning, if they were talking generally about moving back to the UK for a period of time while the kids were young, the year leading up to Invictus makes sense. I dont think it was “we need to move to Birmingham for Invictus,” just probably something that weighed a little more in favor of this move.
If it has anything to do with Invictus, it might be that Harry wants to be extra hands-on with the Birmingham games due to William having several of his creatures pushing the narrative that Harry needs to step aside and give IG to a “real” royal (presumably William himself)? Maybe? But right now, who the hell knows.
Miranda, I suspect that is part of the reason for the move. We saw what happened with Sentebale. Harry being there on the ground during the year run up to Invictus makes it easier to stop any effery from his loser big brother.
Agree with those speculating this move is about Invictus (especially in light of what happened to Sentebale).
I thought the same thing at first about Invictus, he’s never had to move before. What’s different here is th likelihood of forces attempting to disrupt or denigrate the games; not just Will, but the media on it’s own will do it’s best to create problems, if only for funsies and something to write about. We also don’t know if there are issues behind the scenes with the Birmingham arrangements. Still, I’m sure this isn’t the only reason for a trial period in England. Someone mentioned the value of having the kids become comfortable being in the UK, for visiting in future, which makes sense, while they’re still young and don’t have the friend and activity commitments they’ll have later.
But I’m guessing there’s business interests as well. Meghan wanting to expand As ever, for one. But there’s a reason Harry was involved in publicity about that veterans’ roundtable on Wednesday, and a reason we’re hearing about some commercial project involving veterans. (I’m not sure what the source is of that info except from the CB article the other day.) Could be Harry has a significant project being developed that’s going to launch in conjunction with the run up to the Birmingham games, and needs to be on the ground there with whoever else is involved.
That is not a good enough reason to disrupt the children’s lives and put them in an anti American culture with absurd class stratification, and where they have no friends. To say nothing of the change in climate. Nor is Charles’s illness nor Invictus. Now the monarch will have control over their children. I knew Harry’s refusal to stop looking back was damaging their happiness. This is a mad idea and will not end well.
The change in climate? Do you mean climate as in vibes or climate as in weather? Lmao. Listen, from what we can tell they are a strong family unit. Before they married, Meghan and Harry both liked to travel and I’m sure they want their kids to experience that as well. Many families have spent a year or two abroad with their kids before settling in for the high school years. My neighbors spent 2 years with their kids going to school in Denmark before returning to the states. There is not necessarily a doomsday scenario to this.
Like i said, all the completely reasonable responses here, lol.
Wow @”Catherine” (LOLOL) you seem to know A LOT about H&M. HAHAHAHAHA
It’s the change in climate that i was thinking about. I lived on the West coast for 30+ years in the rain. Always raining. I moved to the interior where it’s sunshine 300+days of the year, 2 decades ago, and I’m not going back. Adjusting to constant rain is going to be an experience for the tots.
And fog. Freezing fog always got to me. Can’t take it anymore. Always glad I left my hometown foggy environment.
I went the other way. Grew up in very sunny, semi-arid desert. Moved across the state to the coastal rainforest.
Forty years later, I still can’t get over how *green* it is here, all year long. I love it.
So does anyone know why they’re going? Was homesick Harry confirmed? He said so many times he wanted to live outside the uk and how much he loves living in CA. I assume someone has that information to state it categorically as a fact.
I dont think Harry being homesick means what the British tabloids want it to mean. I think its natural for people to miss where they grew up after they move away, or to miss a city they lived in, etc. It is possible that he was homesick – maybe he missed the fish and chips, maybe he missed the winters, whatever – but the press is making it sound like being homesick means he hated California. And its not as cut and dry as that.
Um, why would you make the assumption based on “someone has that information to state it categorically as a fact”?
Who’s the someone? Where’s the proof?
If you are making assumption based on something you read or heard without real names named and actual verification, then I know someone who has this amazing bridge to sell. And you know— peace is already a done deal with Iran. All is good in the Strait of Hormuz. In Gaza and Lebanon too. There’s no inflation either.
I wish this couple well. I totally agree with them having a home base in the UK because of this being the husband’s home country and their children should be allowed to experience as much of their father’s early years as possible. While children are incredibly flexible while young, this will be quite an adjustment for their children, since California is all they have known and the freedom they have on their property in California. Hopefully the children will see this as a new adventure. Putting the adults aside, I believe their children’s adjustment will determine how they move forth with dividing their time between the UK and California. Pretty sure Ms. Doria will miss her grandbabies as any grandmother would.
This is a well planned move. It’s sound like there is a big project coming up. As for Meghan, as usual, the decision was made based on what is best for the family. The couple have been working long distance for the past six years, it shouldn’t be a problem. I’m sure she will find a way to do more charity in the UK. God knows the UK people need some TLC. Finally, if we’re lucky she will develop As Ever to ship international. All will be told in due time.
I’ve thought about this whole moving back thing. At first, I wondered why they would move back into the lion’s den, and that it didn’t make any sense.
After giving it some though and reading commentaries on this subject, I have come to believe that Harry has taken a diplomatic role and that he, Meghan and the kids will have full security while in the UK. I don’t think this will have anything to do with the royal family, so, there will be no chance for the leaking and briefing and pettiness. I belive Meghan will continue to run her business , probably do some acting if the right role comes, and they’re continue with their charity work.
I am hoping for the very best for them.
Diplomatic role with who? It’s definitely not with the UK government.
Exactly with the UK government. That is just my thought.
I’d be surprised if the UK government gives Harry a diplomatic role. The UK is extremely deferential to the Royal Family and won’t go against them by giving Harry a job.
I think k Harry and Meghan would be excellent ambassadors/diplomats for the British govt. Classy ones too.
It seems like everyone was very surprised, even Harry’s Invictus colleagues didn’t see this coming although they mentioned he said he was homesick. I think they began to plan this last year because enrolling the children would require it. And they seem to have been in sync since while these preparations were, as we know now, probably being made.
If she’s going over there to do stuff and be active the way she wants then I’m less opposed to it. I’m not a fan of her having to hide herself and the children away like she did a month ago is all. But the press will not let them rest and it might even be worse than last time is the concern.
Invictus colleagues said he’s home sick? You realise that’s a tabloid infantilising talking point. I’d be surprised anyone close enough to him would say that. More fantasy.
I don’t read tabloids. This was a direct quote from one of the officials, I’ll try to find it because everything is blowing up but yes, he mentioned Harry said he was homesick. It was a benign quote and all he said was “good for them, I didn’t know about it but he did say he missed the UK”.
Your comment above is questioning whether him being homesick is true so I’ll assume you know as much about this as the rest of us, and kindly try not to assume what my sources are.
Furthermore I don’t understand why the concept of him being homesick is hard to understand. Lots of people who move feel that way. That part of the equation isn’t controversial to me.
Eh, after a year Harry will remember why he left.
That’s what I think too, BeanieBean, lol.
Yeah, six months is bollocks. The kids will be in school. So it is more like for the duration of the lease of the home they are renting for 12 months, I would assume, and clearly the summer months of that lease will most likely have them back home and in Portugal for the better part of the summer before the lease is up in August 2027.
I’ve never thought their marriage was without problems. They relocated. Harry is a Brit, raised as a royal, and had a whole life with friends. He lost his mother at a young age. And years and years away, with the estrangement, takes a toll on many people. They work together, especially in the beginning, with all of the ups and downs of things working, some not.
I do believe Meghan is on board with this year there. Why? Their children are a prince and a princess. That means zero here. Meghan’s Duchess title means zero in America. They are thinking about their children’s rightful place in history. If they never lived in England and understood what this all meant and who their father is, then the titles are meaningless. And I don’t believe Harry and Meghan want that. Also, God knows what underhanded things William is going to try once Charles dies, which I don’t think is anytime soon, but I believe he really wants to try to strip everything he can from them and will work underhandedly in many ways. Harry wants to go back and solidify his own standing as a royal, make amends with his father. I think the summer trip and them moving around to Scotland and several places in England with relative ease, no one staked out, and the good visit with his father has made them see this might be a great time to come back and for the children to understand their heritage and their father’s homeland.
This is closer to what I think as well. It is clear from what we’ve seen that William is going to take every action he can to keep Harry out of the UK when he is king. So Harry may believe this is his last chance to spend time in the UK doing every thing he loves to do there and introducing his kids to it before William makes it basically impossible. That might also help explain why this announcement has been hidden until the last second, why only Charles knew, and why Charles is agreeable to it (because he knows what William is like). The homesickness aspect makes less sense to me based on Harry’s own past words, the fact that he’s said he felt more at home in Afghanistan and Africa than in the UK, etc. But if he thought this was his last chance to spend time in the UK safely, that changes the equation. Also, if Charles dies and Harry is out of the country, there is a strong chance William will not let him or Meghan back in for the funeral. The fact that this all exposes William’s malice may be another reason for the secrecy around the move thus far. No one could state this out loud without causing a ruckus.
I don’t believe that this move is a 6 months trial. I think it’s at least until IG 2028 and don’t think this was a spur of the moment decision. Looking back now, Meredith Maines stepping down, the revamping of their foundation and the retention of London-based Liam Maguire all point to Harry and Meghan planning this move for almost a year. I would love it if the story about getting a long-term acting gig was true. We’ll have to wait and see. It wouldn’t surprise me if Meghan posts a video explaining the decision to move or that the two of them do an interview explaining it at some point, perhaps nearing to when the go over to the UK. Another thing that’s not getting mentioned is next year is also the 30th anniversary of Diana’s death and I just think the timing was right for the move to happen now.
Thank you. I said in another thread this explains a lot of what was going on. That and her not continuing with Netflix, the podcasts, etc.
The children have no chance of being working royals. They should be allowed to choose their own paths despite th eir heritage. They have an American heritage too
Of course, they will never be working royals. Harry and Meghan don’t want that. But Harry and Meghan do not want their heritage erased nor do they want their family’s rightful place in history erased. This is who he is. He wants his children to experience and see so much of what he loves in England and immerse them in it. I can see them wanting to put them in school there, even if only for a couple of years. And the way Meghan uses her Duchess title in America at odd times, when it’s not needed, shows me that she cares a lot about their family being royals. I am talking about Royals in general, not them back being under their thumb working for Charles and Harry. They want to stay out and do their thing..
Time is ticking. He has an elderly father living with cancer for now. There will be no looking back, wondering “what if” if they try this and Harry gets to spend time with his father. I really believe William is going to be so vindictive when he takes the throne. So Harry and Meghan spending time back in England while Charles is alive is a smart thing to do.
The Daily Fail is stupid. They already write four vile articles a day on Meghan. They are going to be back in England, a dream come true for tabloids and even more legitimate publications. The smart thing to do would be for he Daily Fail to at least write one-third of the articles in a positive light on them so that they don’t chase them back to America too soon. But they are a stupid tabloid that can’t see the forest for the trees.
Edit for typo. I meant at the end of the first paragraph “working for Charles and William.’
If there were actually any major issues in their marriage there’s no way that someone as smart as Meghan would agree to take their kids out or her home country and back to their father’s home country. That would put her at a major disadvantage in any court proceeding on getting them back to California so this argument doesn’t logically make any sense. While this move was very shocking to me I think it really comes down to Harry wanting to be there in the run up to Invictus and Meghan agreeing to do it for a year because there’s something coming down the pipe for her there that we just don’t know about. Maybe it is a role. Maybe it’s expanding As Ever in the UK and Europe. Maybe it’s something else entirely but we’ll find out soon enough.
Also the idea that Meghan doesnt know anyone in the UK is categorically false; she literally met Harry through a mutual British friend. She used to visit London all the time. The problem is she got stuck in a toxic institution that exerted insane control over her and tried to isolate and destroy her. I’m sure that this relocation will come with issues for her because of the British press and her crazy in laws but coming back as a financially independent woman and not a part of the firm is a significant difference and I don’t think she’ll feel anywhere near as trapped and isolated as she was when she left back in 2020. Plus I imagine the Spencers will be around a lot which is probably another factor in this move.
Exactly. And I mentioned that either here or somewhere else. And Meghan has shown she is very well advised. And I am sure that even in this move, agreements were made in every circumstance regarding the children and their residence/domicile. Meghan is love but is not stupid.
Six months? Acting role? And Avengers: Secret Wars is about to start filming. 🤯
I’ve solved it! 😜
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I am wondering how many of Harry’s alleged friends in the UK stayed loyal to him. I imagine some are not harrys friends but scooters
I’m a bit late to the party, but having digested the bonkers news of Harry and Meghan’s return I’m finding it actually quite exciting. Not least because of all the nonsense theories and fake news being created around it, like this 6 months story. Overall I think the move could prove to be pretty clever.
Many people are worried about M&H’s safety, but let’s face it, what will the UK government look like if they or their children are attacked on British soil? Of course they will have police security and access to intelligence briefings. If ever there was a way to FORCE the UK to provide Meghan and Harry with police security while in the UK, this absolutely was it!
Then the royal media attack dogs and their social media army. Again, this is a bold move by Harry and Meghan, Meghan especially. They are basically saying: we’re done ‘hiding away’ in California, we’re coming right back to be IN YOUR FACES, now you do your best. Now Jason Arday has added to the case against racist media pile-ons, and there are public calls for an inquiry into media practices, the media of course are not going to stop but the racist/race-baiting journalists will think twice before coming up with chimpanzee comparisons and ‘straight outta Compton’ articles about Meghan’s family. And the media know Harry will sue if they go too far. Like doxx his home address or his children’s school, neither of which can credibly be claimed to be in the public interest, particularly as they are officially private citizens. And this time he will have all the evidence and sue promptly. Harry’s saying loud and clear: “behave, or you know I’ll be after you, and the public will be behind me”.
Then the royal family. Again, they’re now in their faces too. Time for a reckoning. Either make peace or look pathetic. Starting with William. What’s he gonna do, strip Harry and Meghan’s titles for this latest “outrageous attack on the royal family”? Funny how no-one’s bringing titles up lately. William must indeed be bugged as hell to be forced to get out and do actual work, now his hyper-active (compared to him) annoying little bro is back on ‘his’ turf. Not to mention the lovely hardworking Kate. She’s going to run herself ragged doing 2 engagements per week.
I’m even beginning to wonder whether bringing Invictus to the UK was all part of Harry/Meghan’s return plan. As for this latest decision, many of us didn’t understand it at the time. But now it kinda makes sense, as it gives Harry an immediate priority to focus and deliver on, which is 100% aligned with the UK’s best interests and reputation. Imagine if Invictus Birmingham is a dud, when all the others have been glowing successes. No-one will be able to blame it on Harry. And I have to say I’m looking forward to be spared 5000 “will Meghan attend” headlines over the next 11 months. She will, royal rats! and she’ll be cheered, right in front of your faces!
Maybe Harry (and Meghan, but particularly Harry) has out-foxed everyone, particularly those who enjoy saying he’s dumb…
Just posted something similar below but absolutely agree with you
I have always thought that having a permanent UK base makes sense but as to why now I have no idea anyway the UK school year includes half term breaks, so they would be able to go back to California throughout the year. All the focus is on Harry and Meghan and how they will behave and winning back the public, which is a lot of B.S. The real opportunity is for Charles, William and the institution to do a reset and move forward. I wonder will they take it. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
K, are you serious when you write, “And yeah, it’s possible that is an indicator of marriage trouble.” ?? Please tell me that you are being sarcastic–and NOT believing Rob’s lies.
Honestly, they should have issued an official statement explaining their decision to return to the UK, as well as the conditions of their return. That would probably have prevented at least some of the speculation that is currently multiplying.
Personally, I think they have probably agreed to a one-year trial period. Meghan is not a stupid woman: she has no particular attachment to the monarchy, and she is perfectly aware that her husband’s family has never truly accepted her and that the British tabloids will probably never be fair to her. She also knows that returning to the UK means giving up some of the privacy and peace she has been able to enjoy in California.
I therefore think she must have set certain conditions. She wants to be able to continue developing her work with As Ever, to remain free to choose her causes and interests, to keep their Montecito residence as well as their villa in Portugal, and, above all, not to consider this return permanent from the outset. In my opinion, they have given themselves a year to see whether this new life is actually viable for the whole family.
For me, the “six months” do not necessarily mean that she has agreed to live in the UK for exactly six months before leaving. I understand this information more as giving Meghan the option to end the trial period if, after a few months, she finds that the situation is becoming as bad as it was before, or even worse.
They could therefore very well have agreed to a one-year trial period, but with one condition: if Meghan feels that the media pressure, the attitude of the Royal Family, or the exposure of their children become unbearable again, she can end the experiment and return to California with the children without waiting until the end of the year.
In that case, the “six months” would be more of an exit option than an actual length of stay planned in advance. Meghan is willing to try, but she is not committing to staying no matter what. She wants to be able to see for herself how things develop and leave if she decides that this new life is ultimately not viable for her or her children.
And this is where I think Harry could ultimately be faced with the real dilemma mentioned in the article: having to choose between his wife and children on one side, and his country and the monarchy on the other.
I also find it difficult to believe that their return is primarily motivated by the Invictus Games. For the previous editions, Harry did not need to move back to the UK with his entire family in order to help prepare for them. Likewise, even though Charles is ill, there is nothing to suggest that his condition alone would require Harry, Meghan and their children to permanently leave the United States.
I am also not convinced that their decision is primarily connected to concerns about Trump’s politics. In my opinion, the reason is probably deeper and has more to do with Harry’s relationship with the monarchy.
Harry grew up within this institution. From birth, his status, role and privileges were clearly defined. He was raised in a world where the monarchy was simultaneously his family, his social environment and an essential part of his identity. I do not necessarily think that he is incapable of seeing the flaws in this institution, but rather that it is extremely difficult for him to completely detach himself from it. He remains a committed monarchist and still seems to believe that it is possible to maintain a close relationship with the monarchy while living an independent life.
But I think he may be underestimating one essential problem: Meghan and their children can never have exactly the same experience of this institution that he has had.
Ultimately, deciding to return to the UK also means taking the risk of finding themselves in a situation that could have certain similarities with Diana’s situation after her divorce. Obviously, the two situations are very different, but Diana was no longer officially part of the Royal Family in the same way, while still being in the UK, extremely popular and very present in public life. She had lost some of her roles and patronages, but she continued to pursue her own activities and wield considerable influence. This inevitably created tensions with the Windsors, because she was still operating within their environment while now having a public identity of her own.
So far, the Sussexes have benefited from one factor that distinguished their situation from hers: geographical distance. By living in California, they were able to build their own lives while maintaining a certain separation from the monarchy. They could come to the UK occasionally and then leave again. If they move back to the UK, that distance disappears, and they will have to deal with a completely different dynamic.
They will probably have to face a new wave of negative articles, with some outlets accusing them of trying to overshadow other members of the Royal Family, seeking attention, or taking advantage of their proximity to the monarchy to promote their own activities. The mere fact that Meghan continues to develop her brand and various projects could be portrayed by some media outlets as an attempt to compete with or overshadow the Royal Family.
This is why I think their return could be much more complicated than it appears. Harry seems to want to reconcile two things that may ultimately be very difficult to reconcile: regaining a place within the British establishment and the monarchy, along with the status and privileges associated with it, while allowing Meghan and their children to retain the independence and security they have built in California.
And why are they choosing to try this now? If Harry genuinely wants to test the possibility of returning to a life closer to the monarchy, it is probably easier to do so during Charles’s reign than to wait for William’s. Charles knows Harry personally; he is his father, and their relationship, however difficult, still exists. Under William, the situation could be very different, given the breakdown in the relationship between the two brothers. If Harry wants to find out whether it is still possible to regain a place in that world, perhaps now is the time for him to try.
This is precisely why I see this return more as a trial period than as a genuine decision to permanently settle in the UK. Harry may want to regain part of what he left behind, while Meghan probably wants to see whether this life is actually compatible with her own interests and those of their children. And if the situation becomes as bad as it was before, or even worse, she needs to be able to say: “I tried, but this isn’t working,” and return to California with her children.
Agree with all of your points. Harry wanted to stay a working Royal with a half in and half out model.
@Line: here you are with more truth bombs! 😄
Well said. And I agree, if this experiment is to work at all, it must be under Charles’s reign and not William’s. And perhaps this helps explain why they have not stated the reason for their return (because doing so would make W look bad).
Well, Harry did choose his wife and his marriage over the monarchy. The results of the Sandringham Summit weren’t “you must leave.” It was “either you’re in or you’re out, full time working royal or not at all.” And he chose “not at all.”
I think this return is absolutely going to be complicated and I do think its a trial run. I dont think its a trial run for full time life in the UK though. just to see if would work at all on any level. As I pointed out above, remember they kept Frogmore when they moved to the US. They always intended to keep a home base in England.
Becks1 : I don’t think he ever really made a choice. He was given an ultimatum: either you are in or you are out. And Harry has always seemed to want both.
If he had truly chosen his wife and children over the monarchy, they would never be trying to return to the UK now, and he would not have continued maintaining a relationship with Charles after everything that was done to his wife and children — including removing their security while their address was being exposed to the tabloids.
But that is a choice and he made it. He was told you are in or you are out, and he said fine then we’re out. It may not have been the option that he wanted overall, but it was still a choice.
The UK is not the monarchy. he can return to the UK without trying to be a working royal again. He’s said often enough that he wants a relationship with his family, not the Firm. Now yes they are one and the same but he is able to distinguish what he wants in his head. And even now I dont think he’s choosing the UK over his wife and children. This is clearly a joint decision.
Its only the supporters who don’t seem to be able to do that.
This. They retained Frogmore for 3 years after their exit until their eviction because as per their 2020 statements before AND after the Sandringham summit they wanted to split their time between North America & UK.
https://sussexroyal.com/archival-statements/a-personal-message-from-the-duke-and-duchess-of-sussex/
We probably would have seen them spend prolonged periods in uk as a family & seen more of what that meant in practice much earlier if not for the security shenanigans & trying to navigate a uk presence especially after the eviction from their secured Uk home in Windsor and due to the pandemic. I’m sure they needed time bedding down in California with a young family and young businesses and foundation too.
I definitely agree that Harry is a monarchist and has blind spots about the harm that the monarchy does and has done which is why he was still disappointed about the missed opportunity with the commonwealth in the docuseries 🥴
But I also think the Uk is more than just about the monarchy to Harry. Aside from the Windsors, he has his Spencer relatives, long term friends like father figure Mark Dyer, Travalyst and many of his long term charitable interests all based in UK. Meghan also has her own close friends in UK incl her BFFs Lindsey & Marcus & allegedly some of her childrens’ godparents live there. She was a pretty regular visitor to London before she even met Harry so idea that this is completely Harry’s idea or notion of a choice between Meghan over the Uk seems bizarre.
Well, first off, H&M don’t owe any of us an explanation for what they’re doing. No private citizen does. Secondly, Harry hated the institution he grew up in & I do not believe he wants to return to any official royal duties AT ALL. No laying of a wreath on Nov 11, no Christmas walk, no Trooping, no nothing. Nope. He’s done it. He’s done.
So Harry finally realized that in America, without the royal institution he spent years trashing, he’s basically just… some guy. Suddenly, the monarchy doesn’t seem quite so unbearable when irrelevance is the alternative.
But he wasn’t just some guy. He was Prince Harry, Diana’s son, a well respected entrepreneur, veteran, public speaker, statesman, and celebrity. He is everything that William, who is heir to the throne, wants to be.
Harry has proven that taxpayers don’t need to pay for the upkeep of a monarchy that doesn’t provide anything in return. He has shown the people of his country that photo ops and playing dress up aren’t work.
Marriage troubles? Sounds like deranged type talking. Please.
I know people here don’t agree, but I really wish they made a short statement instead of the sources close to them tell people magazine stuff. We are temporarily moving to uk to establish a home base there and continue our work in the uk and globally. But instead it’s a mess and last min or planned for a year or the king is blindsided or project thaw or an incoming divorce or they are broke and will quietly list their home soon or harry gave her an ultimatum, Harry was miserable. And honestly how can you blame people for thinking those things. I will not be shocked at anything that comes out – divorce, returning to working royals, best buds with Willy and kitty, broke and begging like Sophie and her husband. Nothing is a never will happen anymore. Relocating your whole life for 6 months does not make any sense whatsoever. But even a year seems crazy to put kids in a new school for just one year. I do think there could end up being marriage problems, Harry’s obsession with his father and royal stuff. It doesn’t seem like Harry has been able to let that stuff go. But I don’t think an incoming divorce would be a reason for Meghan to move to uk( maybe the treat of one, yes)and have less legal standing. They let the media and trolls spin this, because they don’t put of a simple, from them not sources statement. I hope this stops some of the Harry’s playing chess stuff, this all comes off as a mess, and maybe it isn’t, but maybe do better communicating so you don’t come off as a mess. And yes it’s technically no ones business, so then don’t tell people magazine, just move. I support Meghan, I hope it works out.
I agree their comms strategy still leaves a lot to be desired. And I’m certain that for now their marriage is fine. I hope it stays that way for a long time. However, I am also pretty certain that Meghan wasn’t fully aware of what she was getting into when she fell in love with Harry. I don’t think she had any idea how messy the royals are or how attached to this mess Harry is. It’s a lesson for anyone contemplating marriage. You marry the whole family. For better or worse.
I am with you. I used to defend their communication strategy but it sucks.
I do think its pretty weak across the board. This should have been issued as a statement to the press, not something obviously given by them to People and the Telegraph. And yes, in that statement they could have headed off some of these talking points. I’m not saying they need to issue a point by point rebuttal of every negative thing that gets said about them. But a better strategy would be helpful IMO.
Yep. Terrible comms. Makes it look chaotic rather than well thought out.
Harry experienced emotional and physical abuse when he was in the UK. The surprise raid by his brother for instance. Maybe he thinks his father has “changed”. And all will be well. I don’t think it is marital problems, I think Harry feels that possibly he and his family will be treated better this time. And before he met Meghan, he was not treated well particularly by his father and brother.
They’re grown ups and have a far better idea of what awaits them in a move, however long, to the UK. I do think there are a bunch of interesting factors which tick the boxes. I could imagine Harry is crazy involved in IG in Birmingham. Godd and country and all that. Being in the same time zone would be a gift as a father.
This year winter on the CA coast is supposed to be particularly ferocious. We’re already making plans. I’d avoid the mud and flooding if I could.
It’s not the dark ages and a lot of Meghan’s support circle is richly rich. I’m sure they’ve built in ways to make sure contact and communication still happens.
If it were marriage issues, I highly doubt Meghan would choose to relocate like this. And yes, Meghan chose to do this with Harry. People need to stop acting like she’s being led by the nose. This is not a decision any couple would make lightly given the background. Meghan’s a grown ass married woman and either she’s okay with this decision being made or it wouldn’t have been made. Their reasons are not our business. If the Sussexes decide to talk about this then I’ll listen. Until then, I won’t believe much of what anyone says nor is it anyone’s business.
I can see a scenario though where this is a trial school year in the UK. Especially with Invictus and everything else going on. I would hope that Meghan has plenty to keep her busy while she’s here.
Close Personal Friends is supposed to be set in Santa Barbara but has been shooting outside of the country bc of tax breaks I thought. So maybe Meghan has a cameo playing herself or parody of herself but the role will be small.
You say that an official statement might have lessened much of the speculation and then proceed to rattle off more theories. “And if the situation becomes as bad as it was before, or even worse, she needs to be able to say: “I tried, but this isn’t working,” and return to California with her children”. Responsible parents don’t uproot their children and move to another country just to see how it works.
I have a feeling this move wether permanent or temporary is to set up a home base in the UK before chucks time on this earth ends.. also Prince Harry is working on a new initiative with veterans so it makes sense for that to be in his home country. I also wouldn’t be surprised if Meghan is also going to get British citizenship eventually so this stay may be to finalize that process I’m sure they have many projects in motion for their time in the UK because these two always do. I also wonder if an achewell production may be filming over there this year, and if As Ever will be expanding internationally either in the UK or EU.. I also think they will be staying until the IG27 games are over.
I will admit I wasn’t a fan on Meghan going back to that abusive island that has to be full of triggers, but she isn’t the same person she was as she was a decade ago she has been through hell that they created and had therapy and learned how to manage it all in a very healthy way, I trust she is stronger and knows to expect the worst and she will have control of her own life and passport unlike being trapped by the firm. So I wish them well and hopefully the kids pick up a little of their father’s accent during the school year. Would not surprise me if both the Sussex children are bilingual with English and Spanish already and they should do very well in any school they attend. I will be praying for their safety…
Meghan eventually get British citizenship? Please, God, NO! Especially since Harry shows no signs of interest in American citizenship.
I don’t think the arrangement is just for six months, because as many have pointed out, that would mean removing the children in the middle of the school year. This move has definitely been planned for a while; Meghan & Harry would have researched which schools would be best for their children, where they might live, etc. I just want to point out that it has never been announced that KCIII’s cancer is in remission, just that he’s still having treatment and that he’s doing well. Also, as others have pointed out, if they are going to move back to the UK, even for a short time, it is better to do so while KCIII is still alive, because Baldemort will probably make it very difficult for them to come back during his reign.
There are many children who attend schools in two different countries for part of the year and it’s perfectly normal. Some wealthy people employ tutors to travel with them, some get a house in each country to give the children a familiar place in which stay and give them some stability.
It’s hard for people of limited means to understand, but this is not an issue for very wealthy people.
“The bigger problem? Meghan knows almost nobody in Britain outside the royal world, and that isolation could make the transition incredibly difficult again.”
These trashy tabloids act like Meghan has no goals, but she runs her own business! Plus, England isn’t new territory for her. Long before she met Prince Harry, she regularly flew over for events and to visit close friends. Among them is one of her best friends, Lindsay Jill Roth, who splits her time between the U.S. and the U.K. alongside her husband, Gavin Jordan, and their two young sons.
Like some other regular posters here, looking back, I can kind of see the threads of how this decision started to come together.
Last year, Billy was briefing everyone that he was going to be king soon. Then Charles’ office said he was doing well and had stepped down his treatments.
Two things can be true at once, and the declaration of stepping down treatment was curiously not a declaration of remission. At the time, my thoughts were “Chuck is likely transitioning to holistic/palliative care and putting a positive spin on it, because no one in that family tells the whole truth about their illnesses, least of all the monarch”.
It’s possible that part of the reason why Billy has been acting so out of pocket, is because he had a panic attack on being told he needed to prepare himself (there were leaks from the palaces about this, along with pleas he get anger management treatment)… because the doctors told Chuck how much time he has left on the clock.
It’s only my opinion, but given what we’ve seen and what is afoot now, I think the move to the UK was rooted in familial stuff. It’s possible that Rycroft had helped with the planning back during that mysterious meeting last year.
I suspect Chuck hasn’t much time left, and the courtiers’ scrum over the summer trip really made Chuck look bad. Heads have finally rolled for it. Alderton is out. Why did it even happen though? My thinking is, certain courtiers who despise H&M were deliberately kept out of the loop by Chuck, and that’s how that BP drama happened. They were acting the way they always do when Harry comes to the UK.
Chuck can keep schtum when it serves him. He knows who not to share with if he doesn’t want something becoming public knowledge. It’s served him to keep the true plans of the Sussexes quiet. So the fact that the Rota WhatsApp has zero clue about what’s really going on is a good indicator that Charles has cut certain courtiers (and family members) off. Charles isn’t stupid, he knows who leaks in his camp because in the past he’s used those same people to leak to the press himself.
So the whole “Billy is blindsided” and “Camilla had to rush over to Highgrove last minute” tells me that Charles didn’t trust any aspect of the larger plan for the Sussexes’ relocation to either his wife or his heir. Didn’t trust certain courtiers.
All of which paints a very, very interesting picture. And makes the sight of courtiers and press scrambling even more entertaining.
Was Charles being genuine, when he said he wanted the whole Sussex family at his funeral, and that there would be a special place for them? Is it still just for optics or was there a twinge of real humanity peeking through there?
Time will tell.
When did Charles say he wants the whole Sussex family at his funeral? If he passes anytime soon, the Sussex kids are still too young anyway.
June of last year, actually.
“King Charles Includes Harry And Meghan And Their Kids In Funeral Plans Amid Hopes For Family Reconciliation”
https://theblast.com/698159/king-charles-funeral-plans-harry-meghan/
Kaiser even commented on it.
https://www.celebitchy.com/928865/king_charles_expects_prince_harry_meghan_the_kids_to_come_to_the_uk_for_his_funeral/
Thank you! 👍 I missed that.
I don’t believe chuck is seriously ill because the way middleton and kate moving seems they are in panick mode than usually smugness kate has. They are behaving in very insecure manner , so I doubt that chuck is that ill. I think if I want to guess , Prince Edward seems very gravely I’ll than chuck.
I think you raise some really good points. the Alderton exit looks a lot more interesting now. I wonder if he either resigned in a fit or Charles pushed him out. It will be interesting in a year or two to look back and see if we can connect more of the dots.
@Becks1 and Alderton was just the head of the anti-Sussex faction in the palaces. I wonder how many are still there, and how many will be quietly shown the door or leave of their own accord.
I guess it depends on whether Billy is still going to inherit the throne and not be forced to abdicate, and how much power the anti-Sussex faction has both in the palaces and the wider government. Billy could conceivably bring Alderton back in some capacity. 🤷
Charles’s health is stable. He’s been very busy this year; BP and Spain are discussing a state visit next fall. Charles is indeed still undergoing cancer treatment, but he’s not dying. I never believed Charles couldn’t bring Harry and Meghan back if he wanted them; he just doesn’t want to. The claim that Camilla rushed to Highgrove comes from KP’s mouthpiece, which I don’t really believe. KP has been cultivating the narrative that Camilla is on William’s side all year. It’s ridiculous; I simply don’t believe it.
I certainly do not believe that Camilla is on William’s side.
The one thing I will call out as false is that Meghan doesn’t know anyone in the UK outside of the Royal family. That is categorically a lie because that’s how she met Harry in the first place – through a British friend. She has friends in the UK – the problem is that she was cut off from even them when she was a working royal. She is no longer a working royal. And she has her own team behind her.
I could be wrong, but I believe that when she left six years ago, Meghan had no intention of ever returning except for short visits with Harry and the kids. But then she got stuck there for Elizabeth’s funeral and that was a whole other trauma in itself, if you recall. I’m pretty sure there was some bargaining that went into her agreeing to this. And I also think she’s keeping her therapist on speed dial for the duration. I hope she is not subjected to any further trauma while there but I am doubtful she won’t be. Harry better be prepared to make a quick exit if she is abused in any way. His need to be royal adjacent should never be her priority.
Yesterday you said he wanted to be king? Your anger at him is palpable for reasons that are currently only speculation. Meghan is an adult who doesn’t need advice from us. We also cant read Harry’s mind. But your obvious hatred of him is duly noted.
@BrassyRebel — you seem to be really upset. I always watch for your comments, and the last couple of days you’ve seemed really unhappy about all this.
Which is fine, you get to feel however you feel, of course, and it’s clear just from the volume of comments that a lot of people have been shocked by this news.
But I just wanted to ask — is everything OK? This may sound silly to say on a gossip site comment thread, but you have friends here.
This comment will probably be held for moderation, so if it’s inappropriate by the time you see it, my apologies.
(((((hugs))))))
If we look at the facts their joint statement in 2020 said they wanted to split time between UK& North America. Meghan came to Uk in September 2022 & said in her one young world speech it was great to be back. they kept Frogmore incl after Betty’s funeral until they were evicted. Harry’s security case said he wanted to be able to safely have his wife & kids in uk. they got British passports for their kids. Meghan has her own friends including her bff Lindsey in the uk. Then there’s silly things like the kids seem to keep up with British programs like bake off and Meghan tagged Alison hammond in Harry’s Colbert skit. Meghan posted Archie wearing an England top just last month. Meghan posted them celebrating uk Mother’s Day last year.
Given that I’m not sure why people think Meghan would never want to set foot in Uk or have her children spend significant time there. Meghan said the press attacks not merely living in uk led to suicide ideation. Well those press attacks didn’t end after leaving uk & one of the most libellous reports I ever saw on her was page six suggesting last year she had stolen a dress . Based on what Meghan said about trolling in Australia- she knows it’s not going to change & i think she’s moving how she wants to despite that.
Who cares about these rich people’s problems at this point? Leaking things when it’s in their interest to gain sympathy.
And please spare (no pun intended) me. I live 4 hours away frm salty island, and my ancestors were certainly not looking like vikings, Romans or Greek. I have never set foot there. And I don’t have the need for it.
I’m over these 2, longer than a minute ago
Okay, that’s cool. And since you’re over it, I assume this will be your last comment here.
Dang! ‘Cause I was looking for an explanation of the Viking, Greek, and Roman comment!
🤣😂 agree @Jais!
Y’all I’ve cracked the case. Lili wants to be an actress with a dual accent to increase her international marketability, like her favorite redhead Gillian Anderson. So they’re moving to cultivate Lili’s accent.
Sounds as plausible as anything the Fail comes up with! 😉
“Meghan knows almost nobody in Britain outside the royal world”
This is demonstrably false. As I’ve said before, these people just LIE. Meghan knew and spent time with many people *in the UK* long before she met Harry. She travelled to the UK for business and pleasure and has said that she loves the UK – despite craven reporters repeatedly claiming otherwise.
This Shuter man is just another in a long line of desperadoes trying to make a fast buck using M’s name.
I’m going to say even Brooklyn Beckham who is way younger and inexperienced than harry seems to put his wife first and foremost. His wife didn’t go through what meghan went through but he seems to stand up to his wife and made the decision in his 20s to cut of his family and siblings and focus on his life in usa. He seems to understand what toxic family and trauma better than prince harry. Brooklyn doesn’t try to make a contact with his abuser family and he made peace with it and living his life.
He doesn’t healed at all and he certainly doesn’t healed or break generational cycle. If anything Brooklyn seems to do better job where he was mocked for his career etc but oh boy he seems to stand up guy for his wife.
Meghan is biracial herself, and she moved between her father’s world and her mother’s. In that sense, she’s providing the same for her children with this temporary move to the UK.
I doubt they’ll stay – maybe one school year (6 mos. is ridiculous – sounds made-up) – unless Meghan has a better experience this time around, which is highly questionable. But we’ll see. Harry should be happy with getting a year or two back home, and maybe they’ll establish a good foundation for going back & forth comfortably in the future. The 6 years he’s been gone were like a banishment but resolving his relationship with his father maybe will allow them to pave a foundation for being able to go back & forth without all the derangers freaking out and throwing excrement around like monkeys in a cage, for god’s sake. Whatever they’re doing, I hope it works out and that their marriage survives.
I agree that the move is for a year. I don’t agree that Meghan should take up acting jobs in Great Britain. The derangers are slavering over this possibility. They will hate-watch every production and write mysogynoir for every move she makes and every word she utters. They will rip her to shreds anyway, but free TV with Meghan doing acting jobs is a wet dream come true for them. With a one year agreement between Meghan and Harry, I see this as an escape hatch Meghan has planned for herself and the kids. Harry will absolutely honor the one year commitment if Meghan wants them all to go home. I also believe something is up with the family, probably Charles’ prognosis and possibly some major problem with Will and/or Kate that has been hidden thus far.
I can’t speak for the horrid tabloids with their depictions of Meghan’s uk relationships but I feel like Sussex supportive people who are skeptical of this move are right to bring this point up. Sure Meghan had friends and relationships with people in the UK, but when things were going down, where were they? They were quiet. They did nothing cause they were cowed by the tabloids and the British Monarchy. Who seriously helped Harry and Meghan when things were at their darkest? It wasn’t a British friend. It was a stranger and Meghan’s fellow American,
Tyler Perry. So if things go pear shaped will these British friends stand ten toes down? Or will they scatter and hide and tried not to be a tall poppy?
I wonder what Tyler thinks of this move.
That is an excellent question .
Been wondering the same thing.
Smartypants22, Excellent point about the only one who actually helped/rescued her was the wonderful Tyler Perry, an American film director who sent her a note around the time of her marriage and gave her his number in case she needed anything ever. He was prescient and KNEW that Meghan would be persecuted in England (and no, persecuted in not too strong a word for what happened to her).
I wonder what is happening with the Archewell offices. I assume it will carry on as usual. They are becoming not a bicoastal family but a bicontinental one. Brits travel back and forth between the US all the time for business, family and pleasure. Americans do the same, at least we know American actors do. The Clooney family had homes in both countries until recently. There are British aristos who have married Americans and their home is in the US. It’s beginning to look from the outside that the Sussexes are establishing their home base in the UK before W accedes to the throne. It seems it is something they have wanted since exiting the UK, to eventually have both homes in both countries.
I’m sorry but there are so many rumours floating around about H&M. I believe we should take every rumour with a grain of salt. The only people who have said nothing about the move are H&M, they seem content to let the media twist themselves into pretzels talking about their future.
I wonder if Harry’s US visa comes into play. For normal people with a green card (I have no idea what he has), it is a problem if you leave the US for more than 6 months. I just saw in the news that a grandmother was detained by ICE because a few years ago she stayed abroad 7 months when she got sick just before she was due to return to the US.
If the rumors about the Netflix show are true, it makes more sense that they relocated if it’s shooting in the UK. Then they’d both have reasons to be in the UK for extended periods of time. Meghan has an agent representing her so what other plans does she have. She may be working on other productions? Is it another cameo or something more extended, assuming this is actually happening.
“Sources tell Naughty But Nice”
I think this is enough to disqualify “sources”
I was thinking the same thing! You expect me to take seriously anything presented by a publication calling itself ‘Naughty but Nice’???!?!?!?!
I was in meetings all day, but I see the speculation about this move is rampant. I have been speculating too, but let’s face it, none of us really knows.
I just hope they’re happy and safe.
My phone keeps showing me all these different people talking about Harry and Meghan returning and Let me tell you .Meghan is getting the brunt of the hatred and vileness. I will continue to pray for her . Lord knows she will need it . I can’t understand or begin to comprehend why she is doing this but I do hope her and her mental health vsn withstand it because it’s not going to be easy and I hope Harry is prepared to be there for her and their children because this is a lot already. I hope she doesn’t read or watch this stuff because it’s not me and I am already heartbroken for the her and the hatred coming her way from a bunch of critters
I think it’s been confirmed by multiple sources that M is in a new Netflix project based in the UK. So that’s interesting. If that’s true, it points back again to what some of us have been saying all along from the start of this surprising news: it’s HM Own terms.
They have been in stealth mode these last six years.
Only fools are repeating the gossip, lies or worse, making up their own lies. Only fools are panicking. None of this is drama. Millions of people move for reasons every day. They both said they’d like the kids to know they’re heritage. Big whoop. Now or never, it won’t happen when willy is king. It’s bizarre how melodramatic people become. It’s notable though the Harry hate. That tells a lot. Meghan stans are as bad as Kate stans. The treatment of Harry when they know nothing is nothing short of abusive.
I was scratching my head as to which wild horses dragged her back to the UK, and I honestly believe it is because she has a role in The Gentlemen in the bag and will be on location.
Think about it. She will probably be playing herself, and I hope they write her in as a badass. The people who hate the Sussex couple can’t tell fact from fiction so she could use this opportunity to reinvent herself.
Meanwhile, Harry gets to hang out with his ailing dad and do school runs at British schools. At the same time the tabloid will have a breath of fresh air in the charisma vacuum that is the BRF.
It’s a win for everyone except the Keens.
If Meghan can’t land a better project for a return to acting than some shitty Guy Ritchie project then she must have a really terrible agent. She’s incredibly famous, and she has existing acting experience: surely she could basically name her own project. It could be built around her, not being a part in season three if some movie spinoff. I find this one very hard to believe.
I shockingly enjoyed the first season. It’s not as bad a project as you are indicating.
I’ve not seen it – maybe it’s perfectly good – I’m thinking only about the “level” or prestige of this project. It’s not known as one of the BIG TV shows like Game of Thrones, Bridgerton, The Bear, a Ryan Murphy or Taylor Sheridan production (I’m not suggesting she appear in any of these specific productions). It’s ‘just another show’ and I feel her status as a celebrity if nothing else should get her a better deal.
Its a really good show!! I am super excited about this. Check out the first season its great
Guy Ritchie was literally nominated for an Emmy for his direction of this show; what are you talking about? This show was a big hit for Netflix and his other hit how that’s currently on streaming, Mobland, stars Piers Brosnan and HELEN MIRREN
It is a perfect fit for Meghan though, since it deals with topics pertaining to disgraced (and disgraceful) British nobility. I believe the main character is a Duke?
Not everyone’s cup of tea, but how many Derangers who quote South Park like it is gospel would watch more than two episodes unless they were strapped to a chair? Especially with its brutal takedowns of MAGA, and lets face it, a lot of the American Derangers are MAGA.
I enjoyed the show’s first season also!
Please remember that the Royal Family had confiscated Meghan’s passport. Meghan could not leave even when she wanted to.
This time, Meghan has a house in California, to which she can fly, and a house in Portugal that she could drive to, if necessary.
I will laugh and laugh if she shoots a series there. Working for a living? Outrageous! Still not a good enough reason to disrupt the children’s lives and expose them to that very warped society.
People here keep treating this as a short-term return, but I think that doesn’t really match the facts. Harry isn’t thinking in one‑year increments. He’s thinking about the long-term environment his children will grow up in.
A British education, British peers, and a cultural setting that aligns with his own background give Archie and Lilibet access to opportunities they simply wouldn’t have in California. It’s not about rejecting the US; it’s about making sure the kids can move comfortably in the world Harry comes from as well as the one they were born into.
From that angle, I think this looks far less like a temporary experiment and far more like a strategic choice for the children’s future.
Why are you putting all these words in Harry’s mouth. Show me exactly where HE said that? He never said anything about a British upbringing. You’re simply repeating gossip. Or deliberately lying.
You’re reading my comment as if I claimed Harry said these exact words, but I didn’t. I literally wrote I think. I’m giving my own view of why this move makes sense.
Harry has spoken positively about British schooling before: Joss Stone mentioned he talked about “how wonderful the schools are here and how important community is for children.” And there were reports last year that he wanted a British education for his kids and felt they were missing out on the family network their cousins have.
I also think it’s realistic to acknowledge that growing up with a British education and a British accent makes it easier for his children to move comfortably in the social world Harry comes from. That’s not a judgement, just a well‑known aspect of British upper‑class culture.
So no, I’m not putting words in his mouth. I’m giving my own interpretation based on what’s been publicly reported and on what Harry himself has said about schools, community and belonging.
Oh dear SpringFlower, it’s no wonder AI and advertising execs love you.
To sell a lot of sh*t to certain people, an old strategy is to use the. Alastair Cooke accent as voice over to add perceived class and elitism. It’s why rich and wanna be rich enclaves on the east coast are full of names with Windermere, Lyons Bay, Avondale, Kensington, etc, attached.
It’s funny to see this in full bloom in the NYT cause NYC doyennes love the British and euro accents. This fatal attraction is so bad that I’ve seen visiting family put on the posh accent to get the better table at restaurants and it works! No wonder the Brits are constantly poking fun at Yanks for being so naive, uncouth about classism, and a love for all things royal and titles.
More Royal tea towels (made in China) for 20 quid a piece ? Anyone? .
As Dante said where did Harry say this words? I read and heard a lot the last years and have never come across this. So where is your source? Is their a clip? It better not be a made up story in the British press.
I don’t think Harry ever said that he wanted them to have a British upbringing. This is people still under the impression that being royal is the bees knees. It does not make you better than anyone else. Those people Are a mess especially the Windsors. Why would Harry want that life for his children? And I also need you all to remember that Harry has an entire other side of family who isn’t Royal . Maybe if anything, he would prefer them to know his mother’s side of the family. The Windsors have treated their mother and them like crap. Why would Harry want them to be around those people
I don’t think a British education necessarily means wanting them to be part of the Windsor world. Britain and the Windsors aren’t the same thing. They already have their American upbringing through Meghan and California; British schooling could simply give them another side of their heritage and the option to feel comfortable in both worlds. That doesn’t mean rejecting America or embracing the royal family.
If she’s in *early* discussions with Ritchie, I’d say this acting job is not the reason for the relocation.
But . . . can’t be true: Remember, Netflix is THROUGH with the Sussexes!
Until this move I would have never questioned Harry and Meghan’s marriage. Now I see a clear path to division. It’s not the only path but it’s definitely a path that they could take. I’m hoping it works out well for them.
Please explain how this is a clear path to divorce? Love to hear your expertise and expert thoughts on the end of their marriage since you have that information. Nothing about the wails not living together for 5 years though? Interesting
Dante, Dante, Dante, remember the 9 circles of hell. Wrath in full bloom…
Anyway Dante, where have you been? Willy and Keen are never happier. Their marriage gives a new definition of marriage dochaknow. Like Trump and Melania with Harpy on the side.
Bestest marriage ever! The Wales have the polls to prove it. Polls are never wrong you know. Even the Pulitzer Prize winning NYT is using these polls to announce how beloved Willy and Keen are by their fawning subjects. Today NYT bravely featured mere 1 article (as of early this AM) about the failed Canada-Trump trade deal, and at least 3 columns about the BRF.
Who needs affordable lumber, tomatoes, energy when we have the Wales bestest marriage to praise.
Priority people!
Phew what a relief . This reassures me so much . That there are alternative and exit plans. The Sussexes have emerged stronger and capable of great things , but their children have to be shielded and thats a major challenge.
I hope she is going back to acting. I Have heard a supporter declare her too above acting . That’s just stupid. She is human like anyone else and Duchess of not , she is not above it . It’s a legitimate honest craft with a paycheck and I hope so hope she is in this show . No one could possibly have seriously thought that Harry and Meghan would relocate to the uk for school with children so young where school is not serious yet or because they need to know their royal heritage. Harry doesn’t want that life for his children i believe, you don’t shelter them for all these years then to feed them back to the very system that almost destroyed you and your wife . . Moving there for work makes a hell of a lot more sense . And the children will go to school there while they are there because they have to go to school.
Another one of my wayward thoughts after reading the compulsory item for context, then all of you lovely people with similar thought patterns, ideas and having another tyrant the Wails created, along with “clear air” inbetween their renewed tweezer cut every Sunday to teach their entitled brats that it is only those lower than a snakes belly will enforce this for way more vitriol, and highly treasonous and poisoned random thoughts.
Whether the time frame for living in varied places for the whole Sussex Clan year on year, 9, 6 or even months is enough to have Whingeing and Wiglet Wails jump off the white cliffs of Dover or coastal pathway road then the rest of them better wise up with Wails Repellant being perfected as I type this.
After I fired off similar thoughts calling, (screaming out..) and typing out this comment calling Bull shit giving Amanda (what’s Her name) and the doofuss Sykes, I figured silencing the libray of shit they have bet on,then the two Wails ant races both Whingeing and Wiglet have set another actors swooning years, a la Wiglet – then collectively OUR Voices will be heard long after we have gone still with the battle cry in our throats and deliver the eviction notice to kc3 and crew,the other loitierers AND finally after the 25 forever fortresses, gates have been left open and it is Whingeing and Wiglet Wails that get the six months.
Anyone want to set up a bet on that game of “strip the lies away?
Whether it’s true, or not, I’m sure the reasons are many and multilayered. These two love and support each other and whatever they decide, they’re committed to each other and their little family and will stick together. I wish them well on this journey. I’ll be rooting for them no matter what. I don’t blame them for wanting to leave the US for a bit – things are crazy here. I don’t how much better things will be in the UK, but having homes in both countries does makes sense. ❤️
The daily fail has bots deployed working overtime writing unpleasant things
Love that Meghan is returning to acting if the rumors are true but disappointed it’s a show I tried to like but could not Finish more than a few episodes of…
I saw that item about her acting in Guy Ritchie’s new Netflix show in the New York Times – I hope she does it and I hope she SLAYS in it! Good for her. If it’s leaked, it’s probably happening as long as the 3rd season gets picked up. We’ll have to brace for the bitchy, snarky, petty haterade parade that will probably be like a tsunami no matter how passable or fine her acting is. No matter. Being dynamic and involved in things is far more interesting than just galumphing around in buttons and wigs.
Hahaha I LOVE that she will be in The Gentlemen, a show whose entire premise is based on Bulliam’s Bucklebury pot barn lolololol
Tina mf Brown has just come out with her scoop – Meghan’s offer to be in the show is off the table! According to her the backlash was so vitriolic that they can’t cast her in the show. Hmmm. Really??? I didn’t read her scoop, I read it second-hand but sounded very gloating to me, like Brown is thrilled to her gills about this. Ugh. These f*ing saltines.
I’m surprised by people thinking this spells trouble for their relationship. I believe that Harry needs this move (for a variety of reasons, but most likely for his sick father), and Meghan has decided to make a sacrifice and move with him. He is her husband. There is no chance that I would let my husband move across the pond to that vipers nest without me, I am sure she feels the same. These two have been through Hell together. I think they will get through this just fine too.
@Kit
“Oh dear SpringFlower, it’s no wonder AI and advertising execs love you.
To sell a lot of sh*t to certain people, an old strategy is to use the. Alastair Cooke accent as voice over to add perceived class and elitism. It’s why rich and wanna be rich enclaves on the east coast are full of names with Windermere, Lyons Bay, Avondale, Kensington, etc, attached.”
– Where I come from, we usually read the comment first before launching a condescending lecture that completely misses the point. 😂
I’m not arguing that a British accent makes anyone better, or that Americans should aspire to one. I’m talking about social and cultural fluency, which is a rather different thing.
My opinion (and that’s all it is) is that Harry and Meghan may want their children to have both cultures available to them. Not more than that, and certainly not some yearning for royal tea towels.
I did read your comment. Sorry if I misunderstood. My family is a blend of many cultures. Though I kid you not, using the posh accent really works in many places in the US. The Irish side didn’t get the royal treatment and they even got asked if they were Polish or Ukrainian. lol.
I get your point but nowadays, rich Brits, even the more Sloan ones, seem less concerned about how posh your accent might be or what public school you attend and more how about big your bank account is TBH. I think it’s just the cost of everything. I mean there’s a reason why posh clubs and hotels are now owned by Russians and other non-British born billionaires. (It wasn’t that long ago when London was called Londongrad or Moscow-on-the Thames.) Take a gander at the grade listed manor homes and who has been snapping them up. Even Eton and other boarding schools are full of non Brits these days. For a while there, lots of rich Chinese were boarding their kids at these expensive private (public)schools too. Even good QE2 and Charles weren’t averse in accepting gifts like expensive racehorse, jewelry or bags full of million quids.
I suspect the class that unites regardless of background or cultural fluency is the billionaire club. If you are born into the club like Charles and Willy, even better. The rest of 99.9% can fight to the death over the 0.01% that’s left.
Based on what Harry has said in the past, there can only ever be one reason for the move back – safety. Americans underestimate how scary America is to non-Americans at the moment. It makes the UK press look almost quaint in comparison. Just my two cents.
Their 6+ years in the U.S. was definitely more peaceful and safe than their toxic years in that island, to the point Ms mental health took a downturn and contemplating on suicide. That island can say whatever delusional things they want their people to believe, but they were safer in California.
Four of those were under President Biden. Dictator Cheeto is a different story.