Kanye West flew out of LA on Wednesday and he managed to not throw a hissy fit, even though paparazzi and videographers (or whatever they’re called) swarmed him and asked him a million questions about the crazy month he’s been having. They even asked him about Kylie Jenner’s Puma deal and how he originally claimed Kylie wouldn’t take the deal because of his deal with Adidas. Kanye explained his tweets saying: “She already signed. And I was mad for a little bit. I’m really happy for her, though.” Kanye was also asked about Taylor Swift and their on-again beef. Someone asked if Taylor Swift should show him more respect, to which he said “No.” Then he said:
“It’s like, I want the best for that person, but there’s people going through real issues out here. There’s people out of work. There’s people in debt that can’t make it out of the debt. There’s people that’s in debt that don’t have a shoe. There’s people that are in debt that don’t have a hit album out also — you know what I’m saying? … I don’t think people care about me or her in that way. People care about their families, their kids. If you like my music, listen to it. If you like her music, listen to it.”
“There’s people that’s in debt that don’t have a shoe. There’s people that are in debt that don’t have a hit album out also.” Won’t anyone think about the people without a hit album? What of those people?!
Meanwhile, if you’ve been paying attention this week, you might have felt the reins tightening a bit around Kanye’s relationship with the Kardashian clan. There were some strategic leaks and quotes which basically made it sound like Kim has one foot out the door. And now this gem from Page Six:
Kanye West is so out of control, family matriarch Kris Jenner is worried that “he’s damaging the Kardashian brand” and has ordered he get some crisis p.r. to reign him in. West’s team met with a host of top publicists within the last few months — but nobody is brave enough to work with him. A source said, “His Twitter rants are out of control, and Kris fears that he’s taking the family down. Kris wants Kanye to hire someone to handle all the noise and drama so he can focus on being an artist.” But the response from the p.r. world was deafeningly silent.
One top publicist who was approached told us, “You couldn’t pay us enough to represent Kanye. He’s too much to handle.”
While I believe that Kris is worried, I don’t believe that there isn’t some high-powered, masochistic publicist who would love to take Kanye on as a client. I mean, Madonna has a publicist. Mariah Carey has a publicist. Like Kanye would be the first self-destructive, crazy, uncontrollable mess ever? No.
Last thing, these quotes from unnamed sources to People Magazine: Kim is still supporting Kanye “from everything I’ve heard…They’re incredibly supportive of one another, not only publicly, but privately as well. Kim has a unique understanding of him, probably in a deeper way than anybody else in the world. She’s understanding of the way that he operates….[Kim] will do whatever to make this work. I don’t know what they talk about on private about this stuff, but contradiction is very often Kanye’s calling card.”
Photos courtesy of Fame/Flynet.
I absolutely believe that Kim has a unique understanding of him. How else could she have even gone this far in a relationship with this mysogynistic egomaniac??
Also I can’t believe he’s talking about people who “don’t have a shoe” when just days ago he was tweeting that his debt is more important than a school for children in Africa. Now he wants to act like he cares about people. Yeah right Kanye, you already showed how you feel. You don’t care about anyone but yourself.
Two extremely self absorbed people found each other, its perfect. Kim doesnt have much going on upstairs and I think she is one of these people who is able to shut what little brain she has off. She probably just drifts off into selfie land when Kanye starts talking. I also think she is too stupid to connect the dots and see a misogynist and I bet my left arm that she has never even heard that word. Unless he mistreats her I cant see how this isnt a match made in heaven.
“Misogynist” is a big word for Kim. She might need help on that one.
She’d probably think it’s a soup of some sort…
I think Kim thinks misogynist is a pageant title.
Well, in his defence, until he shed light on this problem no one was addressing the one shoe issue. Credit where credit is due. 😉
*snicker*
LOL!!!!!
hahaha! 🙂
perfect!
Actually, at the upscale retail giant I work for we have a special bin for the one shoe phenomenon.
First, yes she does, her understanding of how much legitimacy it provides her to be the official bonafide of one of the top ten musical talents in the world right now ( like it or not he is, he is STILL brilliant at music, and trust I don’t like saying this)
Also They found love in the hopeless place that is their collective vanity and ego, love of success and brand that is, but love nonetheless, I’ve said it several times, this is mutually beneficial for both of them and that alone will keep em together, if nothing else Kim cannot afford ( brandwise) another divorce, so if this happens it’d be all his doing and Ye can only divorce her if he finds a more “beautiful” ( in his and her mind and their followship) sought after and more private woman, so tbh This union is where it’s at for them
as a topical aside, I LOOOVVEE how now there are bigger worries in the world like poverty and such but when baby Ye wants to rant and be grandiose there is no bigger art no higher frontier and mountain that the exquisite power of Music and arts
I also think if there is a divorce between those two, KW is the one who will leave. But I don’t think he will. He loves her to death, in the weirdest way, but still.
As always, QQ, spot ON. (even the *sigh* he’s got talent. I wish it weren’t true but I begrudgingly admit he’s done some amazing stuff).
@jeanpierre: He loves her as a possession. Whenever he talks about her, it involves her ability at some sexual act. He’s not leaving her unless she’s paralyzed from the nose down and can’t sexually service him anymore.
PREACH
I dont’t think they spend a lot of time together.
He arrived in Paris yesterday:
http://www.nrj.fr/artistes/kanye-west/actus/kanye-west-debarque-a-paris-336175
Yes they don’t live together as it’s a contract marriage. 2 kids done and bye bye. A publicist and a roll of duct tape should do the trick! STFU and fade away already!
Off topic, but you know what baffles me? The fact that Kanye West loved and respected his mother, and has never truly been the same since she died ( understandable).
Though he married into a family of women and men, including his own wife who speaks to there mother like she is a dog.
Seriously, they call her every name under the sun, B1tches Wh0res etc.
They have no respect whatsoever for her.
Its disgusting to me, because I know some could argue Kris Jenner is a pimp,devil etc. (and i agree she is some of those things) But still that is their mother,and above all that an human.
They talk to their pets better. They are so ungrateful its sickening.
Let’s not forget without Kris Jenner there would be no Kardashians.Period. Kim would have been a hot topic for a day and that’s it, because of Kris pimping they have all they have now.
In fact oif lwanna really go back, if O Jay hadn’t killed those people, there woud be no Keeping up with the anything.
Sorry for the rant but this baffles me. That out of everything makes me look at Kanye, and whoever associate s with the Kardashians in a different light.
Not to mention,Caitlyn while I respect her for living as her true self, she went on and on about thier marriage but sat around and allows her kids to speak to them as if they were crap.
Sorry for the punctuation.
There is a diagnosis for this person. This is not snark, I’m serious. There must be a name for this somewhere in psychiatric books. I always wonder how he functions in his daily life. Like, is he able to take care of basic stuff? What does he talk to Kimmy about when they eat dinner? Does she leave the kids alone with him? This isn’t just a quirky or “bold” personality, he has no contact with reality.
It could be narcissistic personality disorder (no joke, that exists) because he’s exhibiting pretty much 99% of the signs of it. I mean, if you look at the DSM 4-5 definitions, it’s like they studied Kanye.
And just FWIW, I’m not a psychologist but I do have a Bachelor’s in psychology so this is just my somewhat educated guess.
My friend’s dad has this disorder and he’s a completely charming and charismatic arse hole. People who only know him casually think he’s brilliant and kind but those of us on the inside know what he is really like. It’s horrible.
It may be part of it, but being the child of a narcissist, I can tell you that his off the wall rants and non-sequiturs are not the hallmarks of narcissism. IMO there is something else at play here.
@crumpet.
Daughter of a NPD mother here, and I agree with you. Publicly behaviour like this is not NPD. At any and all cost they need people to believe they are the ultimate person. Kanye is doing much damage to his reputation and he knows it- thus the continued raging.
Narcissistic people only show any weaknesses as a last resort to manipulate and they only show it to select few. Not in public places, etc.
That’s my experience anyway. Everyone loves the narcissist except the scapegoat. And of course no one believes the scapegoat because the narcissist excels at lying and manipulating others.
Crumpet, OG Kay, Let’s make a Club, My Mom is THAT^^^
#ScapegoatPrideREPRESENTTTTTT
OMG @Original Kay!
You’ve got it down & have explained my life w/a Borderline Personality Disorder mom as well.
No one has ever believed me, except for my sister who was the only other who was victimized.
I feel for you O.K.
Not a fun way to go through life…
Wanted to add..
I agree…something MUCH more going on with Kanye, although he probably is a BPD.
Crumpet I think he uses drugs.He acts like people that I know after they have been up for days and hitting the pipe.
@QQ
There is a club for you, it’s on reddit and called Raised by Narcissists (RBN). It’s a very popular subreddit…
Drugs were my second thought as well. BPD, I’d say that’s more like Azealia Banks… dealt with a BPD person for a good while (a roommate, still have flashbacks lmao. Srsly tho, in my dreams). She was aggressive like Azealia. Kanye curiously seems harmless for someone who’s so out of control…
No joke aside, I would love a support group of some kind. I am just finding out about NPD and how it’s shaped my life.
Everything about childhood I question. I know now it’s all based on her lies and gaslighting and manipulation. I have not had contact for 3 whole months and it’s been both enlightening and frightening. The scapegoat part feels such guilt.
The real me rejoices
Love and hugs to all of you.
Just to clarify, in my comment BPD stands for Borderline Personality Disorder. Not Bipolar Disease.
OriginalKay – no contact for over a year after many years of caving in. It is amazingly freeing. But I have a lot of support and a great therapist.
NPD likes to go hand in hand with bipolar disorder also. As a bipolar person who exhibits mania sometimes, I definitely see myself in him. I think it’s both. I’m not NPD, but have known people with it.
I believe the technical term is ‘being an asshole’.
…or as Freud may or may not have once said, “sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.” And sometimes an ass is just an ass. One can be a narcissistic jackhole without having NPD.
These threads must annoy the piss out of you. I mean, from a professional stand-point.
See that’s my point, that he’s not just an ass. Sean Penn, yeah, sure. But Kanye has no touch with reality.
@kitten, yeah, to a degree. It kind of annoys me to see people armchair diagnosing when that is what I went through 12 years of education to do.
qwerty – part of diagnostics is to spend enough time with someone to truly discern if what you are seeing meets the full criteria for diagnosis. I wouldn’t even attempt to pin a psychiatric disorder on Kanye West without treating him for several reasons:
1. The man is clearly a narcissist. But one can be a narcissistic, even a raging narcissist without having Narcissistic Personality Disorder. His narcissistic tendencies actually make it HARDER to tell what’s at play here, if anything.
2. He is attention seeking. Any attention is good attention. He will play up anything to get the attention he wants.
3. He is still in mourning over the loss of his mother. That can cause a temporary state that can actually last quite some time.
4. We have NO idea what his basis in reality is because none of us have spoken to him face to face and are going on “sources” which are like shadow puppets. He may very well be completely different out of the public eye and in a small environment.
On the surface, it would “appear” that Kanye West is either a pathological narcissist or that he has NPD as superficially he meets enough of the criteria. But again, that is SUPERFICIALLY. It is what we can see or what is told to us. That doesn’t mean it’s the whole story or the correct diagnosis.
Thank you for your expertise, Paranormalgirl, interesting assessment.
I know it’s “unofficial” or whatever since you don’t treat Kanye but it’s always good to get some insight from a professional.
i agree. he probably has narcissistic personality disorder. he might also have a panic disorder. these episodes always happen when he is about to release a project of some sort. it has been spun as a means of publicity over the years but i don’t think it is all that calculated. i think he is legitimately having a public melt down over his new album and is somehow fixated on taylor swift as a threat to his success. that is not to say it is defensible – he should seek therapy and go on medication. but his behavior seems too fraught and out of control to be deliberate.
KW has admitted he has a mental illness. In his new record he tried to explained his recent actions. “I have been outta my mind for a long time”, Yeezus rapped on the new track. “Name one genius that ain’t crazy”…. “You ain’t never seen nothing crazier than this N***** when he off his Lexapro”. So all of us armchair psychologist are using our common sense. He admitted he’s mentally ill. if it walks like a duck, swims like a duck, waddles like a duck it’s a duck.
Probably bipolar and a personality disorder combo – narcissistic or histrionic. The twitter rants are likely a manic phase of the bipolar.
Is a 5 year old boy mentally ill because he throws a fit after not getting the present he wanted? No, he’s not, he’s just being a kid. The boy will eventually learn life is not how you want it to be, that you don’t always get what you want, and he’ll become a mature and sane grown man.
Kanye’s that 5 year old boy, except he always got his presents. He surrounds himself by people who will give him everything he wants and say exclusively the things he wants to hear. He thinks the world revolves around him because HIS world truly revolves around him.
Kanye’s got a spoonful of reality recently, with his work and attitude being criticized and several of his projects failing. And he’s reacting like the immature, childish asshole he is.
Long story short: Kanye’s not mentally ill. He’s just a big asshole who surrounds himself with people who applaud his assiness.
Five year old’s don’t generally throw fits like that. By five, they should have already begun to have a better understanding of their emotions and ways of expressing them. A three year old, yes. Even a four year old will throw fits. In my experience as a pediatric psychiatrist, by five such fits should be very uncommon.
A grown person throwing such uncontrolled and public fits is not the equivalent of a child. The latter is still learning about his/her emotions and appropriate ways of dealing with them. An adult, even a spoiled adult (Paris Hilton, for example) will generally contain their outbursts or at least keep them private.
I am not diagnosing Kaney. But I do not believe he has NPD. He appears to be exhibiting what we call a “god complex” symptom. He is making grandiose plans and expects reality to to fold to his views about himself. The intensity and length of his public outbursts suggests that he is not in control. He is irritable and irrational. He appears to be getting little sleep.
I would speculate that he is on the bipolar spectrum, although I would not diagnose him from a distance with a more specific diagnosis. My concern is that if he is bipolar and he is in a manic phase, his cycling into depression might be devastating. Frequently, depending on the diagnosis, a person on the BP spectrum will cycle down as intensely as they cycle up.
He needs help. Of that I am certain.
+1,000,000
Yes! He is acting exactly like a spoiled child. How painful it must be for him, just now hitting the point where the world doesn’t revolve around him. I don’t think he’s mentally ill, unless you count extreme sheltering from reality a mental illness.
And kids should be able to handle disappointment with grace by age 5? I haven’t seen many who do. Heck, I threw a few fits at that age over toys I wanted at the store.
Thank you, drknowitall. I’m a psychiatrist as well and I’m only seeing a superficial appearance of NPD, but I don’t think that’s the issue at all. I think it’s more of a symptom of something else.
that disorder is called Cocaine…
Respectfully, I have to disagree. While he may also be on drugs, drug use alone does not account for the duration and severity of his outbursts. He is clearly manic, although where he falls on the spectrum is not something I can or should diagnose from afar.
I’m pretty sure I read some people could go manic from coke.
Yes coke can and speed can make you extremely manic.Especially if you are smoking it.It can last for days.
For real examples of manic phase of BPD refer to Amanda Bynes, Catherine Zeta-Jones and way back Britney Spears. Kanye’s behavior isn’t anything like those breaks with reality. I said it a few days ago. These are the temper tantrums of a 2 year old.
Agreed. Coke, meth or some other stimulant.
Yeah, I agree. Those arguing back and forth that he isn’t this or that because of x, y and z… Someone is considered disordered when they aren’t able to function well, when they can’t manage their life in a way that isn’t destructive to themselves or those around him. The diagnosis doesn’t need to be clear-cut, and saying someone isn’t really disordered because they’ve been raised poorly or been surrounded by bad influences goes against some *very* basic principles of psychology.
No disrespect to the professionals here, but as a lay person that works in addiction and recovery, this guy isn’t “normal”. I have no idea what his diagnosis is, but I’m sure some form of mental illness is at play.
I’m tired of him. I’m tired of all the tweets and rants and tantrums. What I’m most tired of are the people that continue to insist this is just a genius at work. I don’t know what flavor Kool-aid they drank, but they’re wrong. He isn’t a genius or an artist. He’s a musician, simple as that. No better or worse than many of his peers.
I think back to Amanda Bynes and Britney Spears, watching them break down, make crazy statements, delusions of grandeur. This guy needs help. Something is wrong.
He is 100% undiagnosed bipolar and a definitive narcissist. In some new song, he talks about not taking his “Lexapro”. Lexapro is an anti-depressant and NOT what he needs. I believe he mentioned Lexapro because he wants people to feel he’s a tortured genius when really what he is is a bipolar mess who needs Lithium.
Agreed! I used to work for a woman with bipolar disorder who was being treated just for depression. The antidepressants kept her in a manic state all the time.
Really? Lexapro? That is not something I would prescribe to treat any related depression on the bi-polar spectrum. If he were properly diagnosed and he did have a BP spectrum disorder, a mood stabilizer would be the first line of defense. Depending on the depression side of it (severity, length, cycling) then an an antidepressant might be added. Lexapro would not be my choice. Obviously a olanzapine-fluoxetine combination would be best. Again, all of this would depend on the case history and clinical presentation of the patient. So I am in no way suggesting that he go out and pay a doctor to prescribe anything.
I thought having kids might mellow Kanye out but it seems like he’s gone off the deep end. He needs some serious help.
He has a child who is only a few weeks old, yet he is ranting like a spoiled child. And I don’t think lack of sleep from caring for a newborn can be blamed.
Interesting he refers to Swift as that person. He won’t even mention her name. Every time she is mentioned, he’s getting the spotlight as well. In the midst of his madness, I think he’s quite aware of what he’s doing, and for the Taylor fans, this isn’t a bad thing for she will continue to get the sympathy vote although she doesn’t need it.
but he though about sex with her in a manner of power/ debt, she owed him, and put it in his cd . What an ass.
“There’s are people that’s in debt that don’t have a shoe”
What???
That made me think of of ‘Flight of the Conchords – Issues (think about it)’. Look it up on youtube if you haven’t seen it, really funny. 🙂
+1. Just rewatched this episode the other day.
His implication in the scheme of things it doesn’t matter who sells more records, although he proclaims himself to be king. He does have a valid point on what is and isn’t important in life. If only he could practice what he’s preaching.
I think he means don’t have a shoe selling in stores, seeing as he follows it up with the hit album stuff.
yes! That’s what I think too. He isn’t feeling badly for poor people, he’s feeling bad for people who are in debt but have a shoe for sale like he does. Or himself, since he is probably the only one.
Exactly! Why does anyone think he’s addressing poverty with that shoe comment?!? He’s talking about a shoe in the stores designed by him. A shoe contract with a big sport shoe brand.
When Kim and Kanye first got married all the stories were about how genius he was and how in awe and happy she was about his ranting. How she was letting him change her life and happy to do it because clearly his opinion in clothes, their wedding, etc was so important and brilliant.
Everything now has been reframed. Audio is getting leaked for the first time. Stories are appearing daily about how worried ‘they’ are for him.
53 million in debt and his current album bleeding money because of some insane artistic effort to send a strong message. It’s interesting how when it was his money there was some support but since he tried to screw with Kylie’s business deal there’s been calculated detachment. When he becomes more annoying than profitable that’s when we’ll see the divorce.
I recall a quote of Kim about baby North that said something like she wished then any was as opinionated as her daddy.
Say that again, Kim.
correction: …she wished that the baby….
It’a not the lame Puma deal. She’s got the kids, now it’s a matter of time.
Exactly. EXACTLY, Eternal SE. You nailed it.
For someone who claims that he made Taylor Swift famous, he sure likes to mention her A LOT. To the point where I actually think the only reason why he’s been relevant the last several years is because of her. Meanwhile Taylor Swift must be loving all of this free press. She’s doing absolutely nothing and her name is all over the place.
To be fair, he was asked about her. He knew what he was doing by putting her in his song. They’re both loving the attention right now. He gets press and she gets to play victim, like she’s been playing since 2009.
Uhhh, he’s been relevant the last several years because he makes music and does other ventures like clothes and shoes. His tiff aside with Taylor Swift, Kanye is independently talented and famous outside of her. Kanye may have issues, but he is not untalented.
No where did I say he was untalented. And as far as I can tell his business is failing hence why he’s in debt and his latest album isn’t that good. He was famous before her absolutely and I was a big fan but you can’t tell me that he hasn’t been using her name to stay relevant right now. Like how many times in one week can a man talk about another woman who he apparently doesn’t like? If I’m Kim I’m wondering what happened between the two of them where he can’t keep her name off his lips.
Re taIent, am probably biased because I do not like his music. If you tell a lie often enough people believe it is the truth. I think he is a good producer though.
I’m not a Kanye apologist, but his shoes are wildly popular and his recent clothing line sold out I believe. He just came out with an album, has put out songs over the last couple of years, and still produces (I believe he executive produced Rihanna’s latest album). The rehashing of the Taylor Swift has only been the recent couple of weeks. I really don’t see how his relevancy for years is only tied to her.
@sasha – his clothes sell out because they put out a limited amount of them and therefore it is easy to sell out.
The only thing that really sells are his sneakers.Kris Kardashian was on Fashion Police last night and she was really choosing her words when they brought up New York Fashion week and his show.
I think he is fixated on her. That is very common when a person cycles into mania. They will typically focus on a plan or on an object or person. Typically when someone cycles out of a manic phase, they will most often focus on themselves in a destructive way. I think he needs help before he starts the down cycle, which is going to be extreme, given the level of extremity seen with his mania.
I hope someone intervenes to help him soon
Can I buy those pants from the Kanye Kollection?
I see what you did. I remember that other klothing kollection that ended up on klearance.
Side note — Auto korrect hates changing c words to k.
Auto correct has given me more giggles that any other electronic product out there. I’ve seen some insanely funny auto corrections in the past 2 years or so.
Speaking of which… I received an email from an Aussie discount/clearance website a couple of days ago. One of the sales was for Kardashian Kollection clothing. Everything was under $25, some as low as $9.99. I’ve never seen the women’s clothing in shops, and I’m not sure that Big W (a big chain store) still stocks the kid’s items.
In the last few days it seems he has tone down his behaviour, I don’t know if it is the Jenner Kardashian Clan, I don’t know if it was Kim or someone in his inner circle, but something must have happened.
Kanye has always been moody with lack of filters, I think. Rants today and backtracks tomorrow. Also, it seems like he has a short attention span.
He was talked to by Kris Jenner. He thinks he is such a genius that any publicity is good publicity.
Well now he knows differently. Being hated and thought to be crazy may have helped him sell his last two records but …. He is married and a father now. The image he cultivated over the years hurts his family and just looks bad.
I think all this crazy was him managing his image. Times change and audiences mature, this is why people hire image consultants.
Disliked, disrespected, being a joke, ok, but hate? I think he is crazy in the common meaning, not crazy as clinically mentaly ill.
Acting crazy in the common meaning is not always bad, some people cultivate this image. We have a saying: „you don’t have to worry if you’ve no reputation to lose“.
He crossed the line with his misogynist rants.
@dagdag, I think he has eclipsed “disliked and being a joke”. People are sending around make Kanye leave america images on facebook.
I don’t think he is crazy as in mentally ill. I just don’t think he is a genius. He needs to stop thinking he can do everything. He has limits.
Denisemich,
this people are a minority, no? Otherwise, it would be scary.
I probably expressed myself poorly, would not be the first time, I never thought you believed Kanye to be a genius, but rather a crazy for self promotion.
That’s what I’ve been thinking… The statement from a “friend” or whatever, that he was nothing but happy and good-natured every day, came out around the same time that he started backtracking.
I was watching The Talk yesterday and they were talking about him.I guess Julie Chen interviewed him I think about a decade ago and she said he was more low key.But she also said you could defiantly tell there was something wrong with him.They also pointed out that the tape of his rant.If this was just him talking normal in his inner circle this is the real Kanye.I never thought about it because I personally don’t like him or his music but he really does need some sort of help.I know he is a ragging Narcissist but I always felt he has substance abuse issues.Hence the ragging rants.
How can anyone in his entourage sit there with a straight face when he rants in front of them? I wonder how much they get paid. Well not enough, as there is a rat in his group lol.
Crisis PR? Worried about the Khardashian brand? There are sexual predators, drug dealers and ex-cons in the business who can get a PR firm to represent them, Kris must not be trying very hard. Sounds like a smear campaign.
Why not deal with the actual problem of getting him to a psychiatrist for an accessment. It could be bipolar, or psychosis or just a personality disorder he has had since birth that is now getting worse. There is nothing about his recent behavior that would be considered “normal”.
I believe it is a smear campain. And Kris is “the source.”
I can believe that a top PR firm would avoid Kanye like the plague. Most people who seek out such firms actually want to improve their image and can be reasoned with, setting up a win-win for the celebrity and the firm. It’s pretty obvious that Kanye the genius doesn’t care about his image, take advice, and certainly can’t listen to reason. No-win for the PR firm.
Look, if Mel Gibson and Charlie Sheen can score publicists, I’m pretty sure Kanye can too.
I’m really confused by Hollywood publicists though, they seem positively stupid. They set up pap shots that just make their clients look desperate. They arrange for unfiltered sessions on twitter and reddit when they know their client is controversial and could get torn apart (Wyclef on Reddit and R Kelly on Twitter!). They put out quotes that are too obviously scripted. If you give them your twitter account, they sanitise it to the point that you look like a robot. They try to get media houses to take down stories as if that doesnt make a story bigger (Renner v Gawker; Beyonce v Google images). When you take them to award shows, they hover impatiently behind you where they camera can catch them, for no apparent reason. I cant believe there is a Hollywood publicist with an IQ of over 70. Seriously. They serve no known purpose to the point that one of the worlds biggest movie stars (Jolie) has managed to do without one for a decade.
Google Pat Kingsley. Hollywood PR extraordinaire. Sadly now retired.
She’s the sole reason no one (the public) knew about Tom Cruise’s brand of crazy. Or Mel Gibson or anyone on the A list as a whole. Her methods weren’t simply to manage her clients’ images as far as putting information into the public arena, she also took or removed information from the public arena such that many stars remained enigmas to the public.
All these other publicists are trying to emulate Pat and they are pygmies in comparison. She was once dubbed the most powerful person in Hollywood ahead of studio heads etc because she wasn’t afraid of wielding her power and she did. To extent that she could get people , important and unimportant, fired if they didn’t follow her rules of engagement, even if they were unaware that they’d crossed a line.
And it says a lot for how effective she was because post-retirement, people think her former clients have only recently taken leave of their senses or gotten out of control or developed out of control addictions. They were always like that, you just didn’t hear about it on her watch.
ETA: there is a really good article on her in Slate magazine, ‘Pat Kingsley, Tom’s steady girl’ written in 2004 after Tom fired her thinking he could do his own PR…..considering what followed, worst decision of his career. Apart from CO$ of course.
It was amazing what happened when Cruise fired Kingsley, it was like someone flipped a switch and all the crazy lights turned on. She must have been a miracle worker all those years.
Never knew she also had Mel as a client.
That is so true about TC — you can identify the moment in time when he was off the leash. Amazing how he had 20 seemingly ‘normal’ public years, until he parted ways with her.
Wherever he flew to, he apparently wrote “good to be home”. As opposed to home in LA with his wife and 2 little kids?
This guy is charging hundreds, if not thousands, for ripped up T-shirts. But he’s telling us to pay attention to people who don’t have a shoe. Ok.
According to the DM, he’s been sighted in Paris. It could be why he’s been seeming more relaxed and somewhat sane the last few days. His true love was waiting…
It really says a lot to me that he would leave LA where his newborn son is – a baby rumoured to be unwell to get away from it all thousands of miles and a whole continent and ocean away. He’s really Dad of the Year material, isn’t he?
Think he left town after North was born also. Don’t think this is new behavior for him.
Didn’t Kim go with him on that trip? I seem to remember some hogwash about her flying breast milk home daily.
His body language says it all!
Scary!
“It’s like, I want the best for that person, but there’s people going through real issues out here.”
reminds me of Hillary “Would breaking up the banks end racism?” those issues have nothing to do with each other. if i call someone a slur i cant just say “but there are starving children in Namibia” starving is worse than being called a slur but there is literally no connection between those two things.
Non-sequitors. Word salads. I love them, because I think they are so revealing about the person who is saying them. Basically throwing out whatever they can think of and hoping that something will stick. It shows real disingenuous I think.
And he loves to hear himself talk and has really nothing to say.
You don’t understand! LOL It is Taylor Swift’s fault that people don’t have a shoe!
I’m sure Kim wants to make it work, it’ll be her third divorce after all, “it’s not good for the brand”.
Kanye is an hypocrite, if you really wants the best for a person you don’t slam her publicly like that. ‘What about people in debt’ or ‘that don’t have an hit album’.. he’s so clearly talking about himself, lol, how can anyone believe he cares about anything but Kanye? Ohh poor you!
guessing this is one of 5 years marriage contracts. And if pimp mama thinks her cash cow is getting any sympathy, she should think again.
The petulant child got what he wanted: the media hanging on every his word/outburst/fit. We keep feeding this monster ego that is out of control. He’s a genius at manipulation.
“There’s people in debt that can’t make it out of the debt. There’s people that’s in debt that don’t have a shoe.” Yet he wants someone to bail him out of his debt so he can buy his family furs (his words not mine). Such a hypocrite.
Does he even realize that he is nothing but a laughing stock right now?
No, he believes that uncreative, dumb people with low IQ do not understand the burden of being a genius.
He should hire Camilla’s PR. She went from the most hated person in Britain to the level of tolerance, even affection in some quarters.
It only took 10 years.
Kanye isn’t starting from a point of absolute hatred by most of the population, so i’m sure his PR rehabilitation would be a fraction of that time.
A friend of mine made me listen to his album and while it lacks cohesion and it’s mostly messy, it has some really nice moments. I’ve been listening to Ultra Light Beam for a while because it reminds me of old Kayne rapping stuff like Jesus Walks.
Just as some of you were so eloquently discussing the other day, Kanye only cares about people when it works for him. When he’s on top? F*ck you, peasants, I’m God. When he’s a punchline and trying to deflect questions about a mess he made? I care about the people in debt, man, the important issues.
Just gross. I’m over it, and if I never saw another article about this jackass I would be fine.
That is what makes me think it’s just being a jerk. Push it to every possible limit, then attempt to backtrack and appear to have a shred of humility.
I personally enjoyed his mention of a friend who only makes under 400 dollars a day. If you did the math on the specific amount he quoted, it was nearly 100,000 per year (not exactly a poverty salary). He was talking about a college textbook costing 400 or something. He apparently never heard of used textbooks, or thought about the salaries going to the writers and printers of said books. He acted like this was such an epiphany — that textbooks are expensive, especially for his ‘friend’ making a nearly six figure salary.
“There’s people that’s in debt that don’t have a shoe.
Yet he wants someone to bail him out of debt so he can continue to buy his family furs. I don’t understand why he keeps contradicting himself non stop? I mean after what he said last week why would anyone believe he is sincere about this? Does he not remember what he tweeted last week?
Yeah didn’t he tell Mark not to build schools in Africa and instead give HIM the money? Oh he just cares so much doesn’t he?
I truly don’t understand what that quote is supposed to mean. You want the best for Taylor, which is thanking you for her fame by having sex with you, and this in some way benefits needed shoe-less people without hit albums?
I’m getting a bit of a headache here.
Totally agree…..passing Tylenol to you. 😮
I still can’t believe Puma is paying Kylie 1 million dollars for a 6 month contract. In the contract it states she’s still allowed to wear Yeezy’s as not to upset Kanye. My God why is the whole world kissing these people’s asses?
When Kanye “acts nice” it’s always for damage control. The real him is what those tapes and tweets show. I wish he had said something about Beyonce in that recording lol the Beyhive would have destroyed him for sure. But he’d never say anything about her as he’s obsessed with her.
“In the contract it states she’s still allowed to wear Yeezy’s as not to upset Kanye. ”
See, people? It’s because of stuff like this that Kanye is the asshole he is. People go out of the normal boundaries to please him. He’s not mentally ill. He’s just ridiculously spoiled.
I have heard it all now.That is ridiculous.
That’s response to Taylor is so weird. Like, he’s the one who made a fight – the song, the SNL rant, Twitter. All she did was have a short Rep response and use it as a talking point for woman empowerment at the Grammys.
Yes, Kanye, there are “people out there with real issues.” Take your own advice, don’t scold the paps or Swifty.
At the beginning of all this mess i was so upset that I wouldn’t even bootleg the album. Now that I don’t care anymore of the scripted bs, I got it. I agree with those who say that it lacks direction, but there are real gems inside, I love it. And that’s why I always forgive Kanye West. He really is great.
Now stay with us in France Kanye, France is what you need.
LOL I sad the same thing. I hate Kanye as a person with a passion but his music is good and has always been good. A guilty pleasure 🙂
“that person.” LOL
Why hasn’t anyone asked him about his comments on opening schools in Africa?! I want to hear him attempt to explain that one. That was the part that is ridiculous. He’s more important than that big ‘country of Africa’, and I would love to hear him talk about it!!!!
I don’t think he is thinking about people who do not own shoes to wear, but people who do not have a shoe the way he has his wheezies or whatever they are. Its the only way that quote makes sense to me, and it shows how disgustingly superficial, oblivious, and vain he really is. Also stupid and filterless.
There’s a video out there, maybe a few months old, where he tells a kid at the airport to throw away the shoes he’s wearing and get some Yeezy’s instead.
I like the name “Wheezies” better actually.
**** crackers. ****
Is it weird that the most shocking thing about this, to me, is that Kanye wears a wedding ring?
@paranormalgirl
What direction are you thinking? I am with you on NPD.
I won’t lean in any direction. I’m not even convinced he has any diagnostic disorder..
Thanks 🙂
Although if I had to look at at something, I would look at Impulse Control Disorder.
I am getting convinced this is either on “direction storyline” or direction “shameless self promotion” or both.
There are also quite a few jerks that are just assh*les and spoiled. We all have heard stories of terrible bosses and heirs, so…
I know it’s not nice to armchair diagnose people but it’s great to read the povs here, especially the measured povs from the two professional posters.
Thanks:) My concern is that even if he agrees to seek medical intervention, the types of medical professionals these people likely associate with might allow him to dictate his own treatment rather than treat the patient as they would anyone else. I can imagine him saying “I just need something to sleep” and getting an RX for his sleep issue. It’s a sad situation and being part of the Ks is not helping his issues.
Another weirdness is they still live at her mothers. I mean they have enough money to rent while they are renovating. If they were building from scratch I can see why it’s taking so long but. It’s like they really don’t want to be alone with each other. He spends a ton of time in Paris, she should surprise him unannounced one time and see what he’s really up to.
Kim K probably likes the security of being with her mom and all the familiar personnel. She saw what happened to Katie Holmes, and doesn’t want to be surrounded by Kanye’s “yes men”.