This is the second five-page, intensive, wordy magazine interview I’ve read in the past 24 hours. Tina Fey was worth it – Iggy Azalea is not. Iggy covers the new issue of Elle Canada and she looks like a sad Barbie doll in the editorial. While she freely admits that she’s had work done – and sure, I’m happy that she admits it – I still don’t understand why she’s messed with her face to this extent. She was pretty before all of this. Anyway, Iggy is about to release her new album, Digital Distortion. And she’s trying to rebrand herself in ways beyond her new face. In this Elle interview, she even comes close to sounding regretful. You can read the full piece here.
She’s back on social media after a self-imposed hiatus: “I’m back. But this time I’ve given myself some rules so I don’t get too sucked in again. For me, what happened, not just on social media but with everything in my career, was like a whirlwind. I started to feel like I was losing control over my own life… I even think back to the Papa John’s incident and ask myself ‘Why did that piss you off so much?’ I see now that it spiralled into something so quickly because I felt like I didn’t have any power over my own life. At that point, I needed to take some time, step away and just get that control back.”
Her fraught relationship with the hip-hop community: “So many people think that I don’t care about rap music and the community, but I absolutely care about it, to the core of my being. That’s why the Q-Tip incident annoyed me so much: Why do you think I need a history lesson? Because surely if I did know anything about hip hop, I wouldn’t mix pop and rap together? Or I wouldn’t rap in an American accent if I truly understood? I just have a different perspective about rap music. I love learning about hip hop, I love reading about it and I actually love having debates with other people about it.”
Whether there are valid criticisms aimed at her: “Do you not like me because I rap with an American accent and I’m not American? Well, that’s valid on some level because that’s your opinion and I can’t change that. But I’m not trying to sound black—I just grew up in a country where on TV and in music and film, everyone was American or any Australian person in them put on an American accent. So I never saw it as strange at all. And I think it’s hard for Americans to understand this because, when you look at the entertainment industry, American culture is the dominating culture across the globe. A lot of people say ‘Imagine if someone rapped with a fake Australian accent.’ Well, okay, but you don’t turn on the TV and hear American people with fake Australian accents, so I don’t think it’s a fair comparison. I grew up watching Nicole Kidman speaking with an American accent in every movie. Even Keith Urban sings with an American country accent. And that’s just what you have to do to make it in this industry and be accepted. It’s what I heard and it’s what I saw, so how can you not understand that that would be influential for me?”
The racial part of the conversation: “It’s black culture and black music, so it becomes a racial conversation—versus Keith Urban, who is making country music, which is considered white. It becomes a very muddy area. And it became especially difficult in 2015. The United States has such a fraught history with race, and I don’t think I realized how prevalent racism still is and how hurt people still are until I moved here and saw it for myself. As I was growing up in Australia, it was easy to think ‘Well, that was then and obviously it’s not like that now.’ It’s not something you can understand when you’re on the other side of the world. But many people think I still live in that bubble and that I don’t understand that the United States is set up in a way that doesn’t benefit minorities. I’ve lived here for 10 years now, and I don’t want it to be that way either. I’m marrying a black man, and my children will be half black—of course I care about these things. And I understand if you’re not comfortable that I rap with an American accent, and you are totally entitled to your own opinions, but you don’t have to listen to my music. I’m still going to keep making music.”
Her future goals in music: “I think it’s important for music to reflect what is going on socially and for there to be those kinds of voices within the industry. But I want to be that person you can listen to for four minutes and not think about that stuff at all, and it’s important to have that too…. I’m not going to suddenly start rapping about political matters; it’s just not what I do. There are other great people who do that, like Kendrick Lamar and J. Cole. I’m not here to offer that commentary, but that doesn’t mean I don’t care. I don’t think everyone has to be everything—like, does Katy Perry have to start making songs about politics? I think it’s good to still be able to have a little fun.”
Her plastic surgery: “I think, in 2016, people should be more accepting of the fact that both famous and non-famous women are having cosmetic procedures. That’s just the reality. And I think more people need to admit that sh-t so it doesn’t have to be so taboo—because we’re all doing it anyway. I wanted to change my nose because I didn’t grow up with a bump on it—that happened when I got smashed in the face with a soccer ball when I was 16. Now I feel like my nose looks the way it’s supposed to look. But for how long do we have to acknowledge that I got a nose job? For the rest of my life?… There’s nothing black and white about beauty or plastic surgery. There are no guarantees that it will fix how you feel about yourself. All of those women [who criticize someone for having surgery]—if they had $10 million in their account tomorrow, I’d dare them not to change one thing about themselves or at least think about it. Yes, there are some women who wouldn’t change a thing, but, for the majority of us, we’d be thinking about that one thing. And there’s nothing wrong with that. I just hope that in 25 years the conversation will shift to where if a woman wants to change her body, all we say is ‘Good for her!’ instead of shaming her for making decisions about her own body.”
G—damn it, I found myself agreeing with her at several points in this interview. Do I still think she’s a culturally appropriating douchebag? Sure. But I also see her point – to a certain extent – about how American culture dominates across the world, and how that affected how she raps. Does that explain everything? No, of course not. I also think she should be forgiven for everything involving Azealia Banks, because those moments were not actually about Black Lives Matter or any serious conversation, it was about how Iggy and Azealia absolutely despise each other.
Photos courtesy of Elle Canada.
Ugggghhhhhhhhh
Yep. Still an a$$hole.
She’s not worth the time it would take for me to get into what I think about her “American” accent and all that, so I’ll stick to the superficial (quite appropriate for this one).
I love how she spouts off about cosmetic procedure acceptance as if it’s some worthy social cause, then goes on to only talk about the fact that she got a nose job because she got hit in the face with a soccer ball (so she needed it, don’t you know?). As if she hasn’t had 876 other things done to her chin, her cheeks, her chest, her butt, the list goes on. That’s hilarious.
I don’t get why people want to buy the bone structure of a G I Joe. It’s not pretty.
I think she still doesn’t understand why people found what she’s done so offensive and racist at times. How can she live in the US for 10 years and only just realize all that racism is still prevalent? Since she loves talking about how she’s marrying a black man and having mixed kids so often she needs to properly educate herself on racism in the US and racism in her own country (since maybe she doesn’t realize it still exists there as well).
I don’t understand people who are not American coming here and saying they don’t understand the racism that it exists here because it doesn’t exist in their own countries. I find it to be woefully and willfully ignorant. I have only travelled to three countries outside of the US. What I do know is that racism exists everywhere. It is not particular to the US. I’ve never been to Australia yet I’m aware that racism exists there. The only difference I see is how it is engendered in different countries.
Where she grew up, it’s entirely possible that she never noticed much racism in her every day life. As a kid growing up, neither did I.
If she went away and never came back no one would miss her. She’s like that fly that everyone at the party tries to swat away but keeps coming back for more swatting. But we all know what happens to the fly eventually…
Wow. Nice.
And accurate.
Nah I like her and will continue to like her!
I think her responses were great
She still posted racist tweets and has lyrics that are offensive af. But she’s right I don’t have to buy her crappy music (which again is not even good). So I will continue to not buy anything she does…thanks for the go ahead on that one Iggy
Yeah she said a lot of dumb sh*t. Like if she’s so aware and understanding, she would’ve have said those things. Tons of people aren’t comfortable with that. Why isn’t she one of them?
Never cared about the accent. Ppl get way too hung up on that stuff. If you’re around people all the time who speak differently than you and especially if you speak a couple languages, you tend to pick accents/vocabulary up. It’s just efficient communication.
and the world breathes a collective sigh of relief
An American accent? What? People are mad because she’s affecting a BLACK accent! Smh
What is a Black Accent? Beyonce, Kerry Washington, President Obama, Jada Pinkett, Will Smith, Taraji Henson, Ice Cube, Snoop Dog, Denzel Washington, Kanye West, Jay Z, Nikki Minaj and Rihanna all sound different to me.
Breakfast – exactly my thought!
She’s specifically mimicking the tone and cadence of black southern rappers, one in particular is who I always think she’s copying. I haven’t heard a single white or Asian rapper sound like her so no – in this case she’s going for a ‘black’ accent in an effort to sound authentic.
More like Facial Distortion.
LOL
This was actually a solid interview!
Yes, I actually liked her a little bit after reading it. And while plastic surgery is not some “social issue” that should be championed, I kinda like that she said “yes, I got stuff done. So what?”
Yes I liked her more after reading the interview as well. And she’s right about a lot of it.
Interview was much more interesting than Tina Fey but Feys pictures were better.
Iggy is mimicking the music she grew up with and which has been pop music for a generation. Why should rap be limited to black or American voices…well actually it already has diversified in other languages (there is Spanish rap, French rap, Finnish rap, Korean rap, all kinds). It’s just black people (and others) think that black folk should have the monopoly on English speaking rap.
I was in elementary school, the lone black kid, in a suburban classroom when everybody black, white, yellow, and brown was spitting put Straight Outta Compton. Not to age myself but that was a long a** time ago.
Don’t go after Iggy because she is white or a woman who raps. If you go after Iggy, do it because of the quality or she said something outright crazy and offensive.
Her music is shitty. Period.
Have you not read her bigoted and homophobic tweets from way back when?
Home girl is an idiot, period.
She’s from Australia, where till this day, their indigenous people suffer and are discriminated against 😯 She knew what she was doing and rather than deal with the criticism, she deflected… played the victim… and let others fight for her.
Tip tried to break it down as to why some folks felt the way they did, she wanted to get slick, even now she can’t keep quiet—as for all those other forms of rap you’ve mentioned, the difference between them is they took the music and incorporated into their culture–they rap in their languages and reference their issues…
The only thing this wench ever did was steal a hood accent—she’s not speaking with an American one, she’s talking in hood tones because her fake ass knew it would sell better, she can kick rocks (NOTE: hood doesn’t equate to black either, I’ve heard plenty of non blacks talk hood, she tried to play into a demographic and people called her out).
This is why people dislike and call her out…
http://thatgrapejuice.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Iggy-Azalea-allegedly-racist-tweets.png
Not because she’s a white girl in rap. There’s been other white girls in rap.
@ Thunderthighs: Thanks for posting that. I had no idea! She’s a bigoted moron!
The whole world takes ownership of rap in its glory, when there are negative aspects involved suddently it becomes music by thugs (racist code word for Black), I’m not ok with that. Hip hop was originated by Black people, it’s amazing that it has become a global phenomenon, just don’t forget its roots.I can see why people are concerned to see hip hop become what rock’n’roll has become. If you go ask kids playing in rock bands they don’t even know that rock’n’roll originated by people like Sister Rosetta Tharpe, Chuck Berry and Little Richards. Maybe it’s kind of catastrophic to see hip-hop going this direction, but if we allow people like Iggy to go around mimicking black accents then what else could happen? She should just rap with the same accent she has when she speaks, it’s simple.
This. Everybody loves rap and hip hop when it’s about looking cool and bragging. The second things get real people disappear real quick.
Rap doesn’t have to be political but the existance of a form of spoken word poetry is and always will have a political connotation. So many people complaining, “Where’s the rhythm? Where’s the chorus?” too busy trying to find a beat to dance to rather than a message to listen to.
Iggy should have gone the Kesha route but she wanted to insert herself into the deepest part of rap and intertwine herself in the issue when she’s clewrly both too ignorant and too selfish to do more than he the token white chick.
Both Macklemore and Eminem know and stay in their lane. They truly have an intelligent interaction with hip hop. Iggy – just give her a second and she’ll be saying something awful and racist about you.
I love your comment, Cynthia.
Just about the entire catalogue of modern music originated with Black America. I really think it would behove everyone who isn’t a black American to remember that.
I think the margins of inspiration and appropriation are blurred when you are talking about real, actual, artistic creators. Example: the two bands I’m listening to most at the moment are Sleaford Mods (angry social comment) and King Blues (punk + angry social comment). Both owe a lot to hip hop/rap but if you listen to the music, you couldn’t think it was anything other than British and you wouldn’t think it had stolen anything.
But not so much blurring when you’re producing a copyist pop product. Then, what you’re doing is more likely than not to be appropriating. Azalea doesn’t seem to understand this.
You do realize that’s exactly why people are going after her. Because she’s be been repeatedly racist and said horrible things. Lots of people have reached out to her in an effort to extend the olive branch but she wants both sides of the fence.
She wants the hip hop glory and to go back to being the safe white girl when things get dicey.
Was recently in New Zealand and 90% of the music on the radio was from the states. It kinda hit my husband and I then what a huge influence American music and movies have on the world. I get what she is saying yet I also understand the anger over her appropriation of Southern rappers. I look at Macklemore and how he correctly handles and acknowledges racism, appropriation, and his own privilege. She could take a lesson!
Well, she’s putting forward the same arguments as I’ve seen played out in the comments section in reaction to varied topics on here. They’re not entirely unreasonable. On the other hand, if you want to make money and be loved in your adopted country, you should be a lot better at reacting and adapting to its cultural issues and sensitivities. The same as Americans should realise they can’t overlay their own experiences onto everyone else’s and complain if they aren’t the same when they go to live and work in other countries, or get into discussions about the cultural issues and sensitivities of other societies.
That’s all I’ve got. My bum is stinging due to the splinters from the fence it’s sitting on.
Well you can discuss it, but I think you should do so with the awareness that you can’t really begin to understand until you experience. That’s what I think other musicians were trying to communicate to Iggy and she wasn’t really absorbing the point.
I was reading an article today written by a Chinese scholar who was talking about what Beijing calls ‘separatist’ movements in China and comparing them to “separatist” native American tribes in the US demanding autonomy. If you want to really appreciate how little insight you have into other countries’ sociopolitical issues, listen to them try to explain yours. It’s funny how off they are and yet you can totally see where they’re drawing their conclusions from.
All of my opinions about race in America began with my own lived experiences. I couldn’t begin to form strong opinions about issues elsewhere without that as a starting point.
Oh, I agree. By discussions, I more meant the general cultural translations and mistranslations that occur on here. Sorry to be unclear!
I mean, she comes off more as a karaoke copyist than an actual artist. Which might be fine if you were a fan of American culture living and working in another country, but is NOT fine if you’ve moved to the country of that culture and want people to accept you and your work. Copying karaoke style is NOT artistry and when the genre you’re performing in comes with acute socio-political-cultural issues attached, you are not on to a winner, in my books.
Realistically however she’s not a recent transplant. I also think the ‘cultural excuse’ (not from you, but from Iggy) is another reason she gets bashed so much.
There’s just such an act of her never taking responsibility. “You know what? I was wrong, this was fucked up. I’ll do better.” for a hip hop artist she could literally get away with tweeting that and things would cool down.
But it’s always, “I’m not that. I didn’t say that. I didnt know that. I haven’t been here that long.” Well back when she first came out and I actually liked Iggy I reemember reading a magazine interview with her where she admitted to being so embarrassed by Australian culture because of how openly racist and ignorant they could be. Then to counter that she’s been in the US since she was 16.
So…when she says she doesn’t understand the culture I call fibber. She knows both abroad and overseas, she’s just gotten caught and shown her true colors.
Absolutely fair enough. I should remember that my knowledge of all things pop is exceedingly sketchy and that I would have no actual idea how long any particular popette has been living anywhere!
I always end up knowing the more random bits and pieces, but in one of her songs she’s says she’s been here since she was 16 and in the above interview she says she’s been here for 10 years.
As someone also non-Amercan, I’m also on the fence a lot when it comes to certain issues. I didn’t wade into the cultural appropriation argument because unless it’s obvious, stuff like that can go over my head. So I sit back and try to educate myself and keep an open mind as I read about different perspectives.
The way in which Iggy handled the criticism was certainly to her detriment. That and the fact that she lacked the talent to back up her arrogance and cluelessness. But dammit if she doesn’t sound quite reasonable here and made me feel for her a tiny bit.
Yeah ITA that this is the least annoying/offensive she’s ever been. Methinks she got some serious PR coaching while she was laying low and recovering from surgery.
Or how about just go away???
I don’t care if you rap about anything political, but why don’t we start with you not being a thin skinned, racist homophobe anymore? How about that?
Thank God.
Girl seems to have learnt some things but she’s still oblivious to fair criticism. It’s not about the American accent but the fact that she was literally mimicking what she imagined black girls from Atlanta sounded like. There are a lot of good Australian rappers who rap in their accent, just do you! And the whole Azealia Banks thing started because she called herself a runaway slave master in a song and Banks rightly called her out on it, so it was more than just disliking each other, at least in the beginning.
Yeah your comment is spot-on. I really REALLY hate Iggy and I think her music is sh*t but I didn’t hate this interview (unfortunately).
I don’t doubt for a second that she grew up listening to and emulating American accents and American culture. But I also think she’s bending over backwards to justify verbal blackface because she’s found success through that. Acknowledgement on her part would mean admitting that what she does isn’t right. There’s no way Iggy is going to trade in her fame and fortune in favor of cultural sensitivity and awareness.
plus there are PLENTY of English-speaking rappers (including, er, British ones) who don’t feel the need to adopt a faux accent when they rap. I mean, M.I.A. still sounds like Londoner with a touch of Sri Lankan, you don’t hear her putting on the sound of what she thinks a black girl would speak like.
I love M.I.A.!
M.I.A, Ghostpoet, Plan B, Dizzee Rascal…none of them do that sh*t.
One of my favourite things about rap is how political it is, even mainstream hip hop. I wish other mainstream genres would be the same, especially rock which is so bland now.
I also like political music or at least music that contains some cultural comment. Love songs are not for me!
I have about 3 love songs I like and that’s it. Even literature and movies, romance is not really for me. But I love art thatbis very political and deals with social issues. There is a lot of music of that kind in my country, but on a global level I can’t think of a really popular band now that is both mainstream and very political, the way RATM used to be.
I’m trying to think of love songs that I like! Er… er… er…
God Only Knows, Beach Boys? But actually, I think I like that because it was such a thing in its time that they put “God” in the title. So a cop out. It is beautiful though.
Everyday I Write The Book, Elvis Costello? Does that count as a love song?
Nope. I got nothing. I don’t like love songs!
Why Worry by Dire Straits and Into My Arms by Nick Cave, I’m sure there is one more but I can’t think of it right now.
Agreed!
This was…exhausting to read.
So we not going to talk about her face?
Okay….
Rapping for fame. Don’t talk shit about Qtip, you’ll never come close to having that level of respect in the hip hip world. You’re below Vanilla Ice. Shut them insecure lips.
Your comment made me howl with laughter! I couldn’t agree more. She shouldn’t even part her lips to speak about Q-tip, a rap legend who so eloquently and respectfully SCHOOLED her.
I cannot believe that she is STILL talking sh*t about Qtip after all this time. The funny thing is that she tries to make it seem like Qtip and the hip hop community are against her because she’s a white chick, but Qtip has collaborated with so many different artists, including the Beastie Boys.
Argh.
She sucks.
“Shut them insecure lips”
If that isn’t the best thing I’ve heard today, LMAO.
…freaking liar.
So to actually tell the truth:
1. You came to America when you were 16.
2. Singers often sing in ‘American’ because singing causes you to form words in your mouth differently when you’re connecting them to a melody. Nicole as an actress would always have different demands. There is no reason for you not to be rapping in your natural accent except wait for it –
3. You’re not mimicking an American accent. We all have different dialects and cadences based on region. You’re mimicking a Southern accent and not even a normal Southern accent but a drawl that was popularized by black Southern rappers.
4. So you’re just gonna never admit to all your racist tweets huh?
5. And gonna continue to misrepresent every criticism tossed your way?
6. If you thought 2014 was rough on your career I wouldn’t suggest you come back in 2016. People haven’t forgotten why you were such a jackass and with the current political culture you will screw up again (because you lack all awareness) and have your Twitter mentions ruined.
7. Find your lane Iggy. I suggest the off ramp.
Okay, why did I read this list like a rap in my head? 🙂
Preach! Alla this and more.
@Eternal, I LOVE this in ALL of its Kanye glory! Not to mention that is soooo true it hurts. I wish someone would print this and have it framed to hang in her home so that she could read it daily. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
The fact that she’s using “I’m Australian” as a defense is so truly stupid, since any black or indigenous Australian will tell you that white Australians are really racist.
I was going to say this but you beat me to it , ha.
Indigenous Australians are nowhere near as populous as African Americans. I grew up in Sydney and there was one single indigenous girl at my high school of 1000+ students.
I am not negating the experiences of the indigenous population – I am damn sure they frequently face pretty awful racism from other Australians (and Australia is very multicultural by the way – it isn’t just ‘whites’) all the time. Just doesn’t necessarily mean that she had much interaction with them or any awareness of this issue.
In school we learn about the stolen generations and the mistreatment over the years but you don’t really touch on what’s happening now. If you never experience it, how do you know?
Her pretensions regarding not knowing what racism was because she’s Australian are noxious. Anti-aboriginal racism is a massive problem in Australia. And she doesn’t rap in an “American” accent — that stereotypical fake accent she uses is not what she grew up hearing on TV. She really expects us to buy the Nicole Kidman line?
She’s only learned to lie a little better, but not much. And people aren’t angry with her because she’s a white women who raps. It’s because the voice she uses is the aural equivalent of blackface. Also she’s not any good.
It’s nowhere near any version of blackface. Blackface is used to mock, deride, belittle. She is clearly using an accent that she likes and thinks will help her. She isn’t trying to be a parody rapper, making fun of black people.
Most of us (black people) think that’s *exactly* what she’s doing. She’s raping our culture purely for profit and in turn, putting nothing back into it. She’s trotted out that tired line about marrying a black man and having half black kids as if it will make us have more empathy for her but all we see is an opportunist.
She truly should just go back to being her authentic self and also, be quiet…just stop talking/typing for a while.
A lot of words, and yet Iggy still has the exact same message as before: I’m going to do whatever I feel like and am not going to change a damn thing. No self awareness, and she’s the first to point fingers at everyone but herself when things go wrong.
The whole cultural argument falls down when you consider all the years she’s been living in the USA, and all the times people have explained what’s wrong with her schtick. She’s not a clueless immigrant who just arrived to the USA and is discovering things.
I don’t see what’s the point of bringing Nicole Kidman up. She’s an actress playing characters of several nationalities. Hollywood is an American business, so logically she’d play a lot of American characters. By comparing herself to her she’s just admitting she’s a phony.
The problem is not an Australian white woman raps, it’s the way she does it.
Rapping about political matters? She still thinks that mess she does is rap?
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/entertainthis/2015/11/29/erykah-badu-iggy-azalea-soul-train-awards/76544782/
I like the way they styled her and did her makeup for this photoshoot. I agree 100% with everything she said about plastic surgery. But as for the rest of it… the “imitating the accent or tone you hear in the movies and music you listen to” argument is kind of understandable, but didn’t she start off trying to be a Britney-esque pop singer without that accent? She forgets that it’s not just about her putting on an accent that isn’t hers to seem more authentic and sell her music. People also have a problem with her because of the racist/homophobic stuff she said in the past. With her it’s a combination of marketing herself using a genre that originated with another culture while disrespecting people of other races (and gays as well) at the same time.
Itchy Areola is still a hypocrite who keeps avoiding the point about why her “accent” was criticised in the first place, quelle surprise.
I’m willing to forgive the stuff she’s said in the past. I am always careful now to consider my words and actions now that I am in my mid twenties. I assumed I had always been this way. This ‘facebook memories’ has shown me otherwise, much to my dismay.
Statuses I posted maybe 8 or so years ago have filled me with immense shame. I absolutely should have known better, but apparently I didn’t (nothing too severe, just sometimes using words I know to be derogatory). I have the luxury of being able to remove those offending statuses without the world immediately turning on me forever whereas celebrities do not. There isn’t one person alive who has said or done things they don’t regret – I don’t think they should necessarily follow them around the rest of their lives.
Iggy is a human like the rest of us. She didn’t appear on the scene perfect and fully formed. She is making mistakes and learning and trying to move forward. I can give her slack provided she is learning from her mistakes and trying to improve herself.
I like your attitude, I wish Iggy had that much class with admitting her past mistakes and not repeating them. It’d go a long way towards letting her have the fresh start she’s fighting for.
I agree and I don’t agree about American media in Australia.
Yes, I have to admit as an Aussie who grew up watching movies and tv and listening to music American accents are all over media and as such they sound pretty normal to me.
However, let’s not pretend that Australian TV is dominated to that degree by American shows. There are just as many shows featuring Australians with Australian accents. Australian versions of reality shows, the news, sports, soap operas… Australian accents are absolutely normal – definitely moreso than American accents – in Australia.
So it’s disingenuous to me to pretend that she was influenced that heavily by TV and movies. In Aus, we’re exposed to tons of Aussie media. Even with music, there’s plenty of Aussie stuff out there. I had no trouble finding it as a teenager who wanted to listen to non-mainstream genres.
It’s true that all the hiphop she grew up listening to would have been American, though. There’s very little Aussie hiphop out there, so I’ll give her that point.