Kevin Smith vs the airlines: take two

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Director Kevin Smith last made headlines when he was kicked off an overbooked Southwest Airlines in February of this year. Southwest initially insisted that he was “too fat to fly,” but it turned out that the decision was based on the fact that he was a larger man on an overbooked flight, and was not technically too big for the seat or seatbelt. As a result of that debacle, Smith avoided flying for months and then gradually went back to flying first class, were he felt like he stuck out like a sore thumb after all the publicity he received over the “too fat to fly” incident. So he booked what’s known as a “concierge” service that specializes in getting VIPs to the gate just before takeoff, essentially avoiding having other passengers file past them while they’re seated in first class. But an employee at Virgin Airlines refused to let Smith or his party board despite the fact that there were ten minutes left before takeoff and the jetway was still attached. They also refused to retrieve their luggage, which contained medication his wife needed.

On Twitter, I’ve been asked this question a few times, so I figured I’d include the response here…

Via @cbalint “Why did you wait until 10 minutes b4 the flight to board?”

One of the only pricey indulgences I’m happy to pay for is First Class air travel. I fly LOTS, and when you’re also big fat-ass, the wider seats are definitely more comfortable. Indeed, with the exception of the Bay Area Southwest flights I used to take, it’s fair to say – since ‘96 – you could always find me at the front of the plane (as a first class passenger, not giving the pilot’s “driver’s courtesy”).

After Southwest did it’s level-headed best to alienate large passengers everywhere, I was off flying for awhile, sticking strictly to my beloved bus – the last refuge of the oversized traveler with a Jay-and-Silent-Bob-lined bank account. But in order to attend the Walter Gretzky street hockey tournament in Brandtford this summer, I HAD to fly again (we couldn’t make it in time driving, due to a previous engagement).

So I bit the bullet and got on another plane, for the first time in months. And when I sat down, the fella next to me smiled and asked “They gonna throw you off this plane too?”

And the next three flights I took, it was the same. Even worse: when you fly first, you board first, sit down… and then EVERYONE files past you. And when you’re the Too Fat To Fly guy on a plane? Well, everyone stares. Then the whispering starts. A hundred people look right at you – when you’re not on a stage. It kinda blows.

But Affleck told me that when he flies, he uses a concierge service: a company that works with the airport and each airlines. Their job is to get you to the plane on time, but not when boarding begins; that way, you don’t have to play the Elephant Man for passengers passing you en route to their seats. Essentially, you board last. The entire service is designed to get you to the plane door shortly before the door closes.

We were at the airport and checked-in for over an hour before departure, waiting in the lounge. Dorothy, our concierge, has been doing her job for years; she knows EXACTLY how much time she has to get her clients to the plane before the door closes. This is how she makes her living, so it behooves her to know when to head for the plane; we had time. The plane was not only in sight, it REMAINED in sight for the next 15/20 minutes. Dorothy the concierge was, rightfully, beside herself: the gate agents made HER look bad – even though this is EXACTLY how she does her job every day.

So that’s why I got to the door ten minutes before the flight: because I was told to by a professional who’s been working JFK for years. It didn’t matter; The gate agents made up their minds to lose Virgin some business.

But that’s in the past now. Virgin America did EXACTLY what any corporation/company should do when their customers have issues with their service: they almost instantly self-corrected. I appreciate that they’ve done their best to repair damage and apologize.

Lots have Tweeted that Virgin only corrected because they didn’t want to go through the shit I went through with Air Master Race back in February. I don’t care why they’re trying to amends, I’m just sincerely relieved to know that there’s an airline out there that will listen and seriously try to fix things – not just write a blog that lied about their captain, only to then CHANGE their party line AND blog without denoting or highlighting their deception… Sorry – CORRECTION! Meant correction. Southwest still stands alone as Worst in Customer Service in my book.

But even though the Virgin America JFK gate 25 agents royally f*&%ed my day, someone higher up in the company tried very hard to make it right… And succeeded.

[From SilentBobSpeaks.com]

At least Virgin corrected the situation and made amends, unlike the way that Southwest handled it earlier. A lot of people are going to disagree with me and say this is Smith’s issue, but I don’t blame Smith for making a fuss. They could have let him on the plane and it just sounds like an employee was grandstanding to make a point. This just reminds me how much it truly sucks to fly commercial, even if you go first class and pay big bucks to get some respite from the crap that everyone else has to deal with.

Kevin Smith is shown out with his daughter on 11/27/10. Credit: Beiny/Fu/WENN. They’re also shown at the MTV music awards on 9/12 and at an event on 8/18. He loves that shirt. Credit: WENN.com

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  1. fancyamazon says:

    I heard about this story yesterday, and to me it sounds like he’s being an ass. One thing he complains about is people staring at him while they file on the plane, when he surely can’t be that sensitive, and also could just get in line at the regular boarding call if he wants to wait. He showed up late for his flight even though he was checked in in plenty of time, and then he whined about it. In my mind the airline was not in the wrong and had no reason to make amends, except that it was a famous person who would give them bad press.

  2. Jackson says:

    I have to say I’m shocked that anyone even knows or cares who he is. Is he *that* large that his size draws attention to himself? IDK. It sucks to fly, and it sucks even more when you don’t have the means to fly first-class. It’s nice that Virgin made things right although I wonder if they would have done that for someone else. In this case maybe his ‘notoriety’ helped him.

  3. Amy says:

    The only bad thing here was the meds being on the plane that his wife needed. That’s it really.

    And if he is so self-conscious about his weight (and well let’s face it, he is overweight), he could probably make an effort and lose some. If he can afford to fly first class, he can definitely afford to pay a personal trainer who will help him set up an exercise regimen and healthy eating habits.

  4. jen says:

    Someone needs to start Fat Airlines, they’d be billionaires.

  5. AlaskaJoey says:

    Team Airline. So you mean to tell me all the times I make sure to get my ass to the airport 3 hours before my flight, get myself on the plane, out of the aisle and buckled in my seat in a timely manner, the plane might still be held up because someone like him and Ben Affleck think they’re too good to get on a plane with the rest of us on time? Because it takes time to get on a plane, get your bags stowed, and get settled.

    Seriously, when I get on a plane, the last thing I’m doing is looking at the people in First Class. I want to get to my seat so we can take off!

  6. LeeLee says:

    The first time I was on his side. Now he’s coming across as a whiney b*tch.

  7. erikarain says:

    ^^ @ Amy – girl, re-read that comment and think about how much it makes you seem like a C U Next Tuesday.

  8. Devon says:

    Airlines have procedures they need to follow when it comes to boarding so he is plain SOL when it comes to being late. Just because the departure time is 11:35am, it doesn’t mean the doors are shut then, that’s the time it leaves the gate. So many things have to happen before the plane starts to taxi. As for the luggage, I know in Canada if the passenger isn’t on the flight, they will (or should) take the bags off but this is why you NEVER check you medication. What if they were on the flight but that bag never made it? What then? Going to write a long ass post about how the airline lost your bag? Well shit! That happens all the time! Keep your meds with you. I like Kevin Smith’s flicks but his complaining is tacky and annoying.

  9. bellaluna says:

    I guess we’re lucky he’s not a terrorist, since they kept his bags on the plane. Isn’t that a no-no?

  10. belle Epoch says:

    #3 STFU about judging other people you don’t know. Maybe he has a medical condition you know nothing about. I bet he already exercises. You are an ignorant bigot. People like you are why he wants to get on the plane last in the first place.

  11. chasingadalia says:

    Hahaha. This made me laugh, and oh did I need a laugh this morning.

  12. Scarlet Vixen says:

    @Devon: You usually HAVE to check medication now. They don’t let you take ANYTHING in your carry-on anymore.

    @AalskaJoey: And it’s not like he rolled up to the terminal in his limo at 11:30am. They got there in a timely fashion, checked in, went thru security, etc. etc. just like us plebians. Then the concierge (who he’s paying to do their job correctly) told them to wait until 10 minutes before.

    He’s not playing the ‘famous card.’ He’s just annoyed that he was given 2 sets of information by 2 different sources. Concierge said, “You can totally board 10min early so people don’t stare” and Virgin said, “Nuh-uh, too late.”

  13. Trillion says:

    I’m more entertained by his blogging than his craptastic movies.

  14. RobN says:

    Yeah, everybody is staring at him. There are about nine people in this country who know who the hell he is and all of a sudden everybody is staring at him? He may be a bit of a douche.

  15. Devon says:

    Scarlet Vixen, it can depend…at least in Canada you don’t have to. My mother works for Air Canada as a CSA and I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard stories about people raging that their meds have been in the bags that have gotten lost. I was day shadowing her once and this guy just lost it and her response has always been NEVER check them. I’m on several different meds and I’ve never checked them (going to Europe or the USA) because I know if they got lost I’d be up shit creek without a paddle.

  16. mary says:

    In Canada you are allowed to take prescription meds through security if they are in the proper bottles and you are not taking a years supply.
    Many airlines including the one I work for consider the boarding time to be “Wheels up” or “Door Closed” depending on the situation. This means that at 11:35 if that is your departure time the plane should be leaving the runway, not pulling away from the gate. That is why boarding times are usually well before the departure time.
    I understand him wanting to board last, but you could easily get to your gate at boarding time and wait until the line has gone through and board last. Allowing First Class to board first is a courtesy, not a requirement. Just get there on time wait near the back of the gate and get on when there is no line up. Easy.

  17. Ron says:

    I always take any medication in a carry on. I fyour bags are unlocked, or even with the TSA lock, meds and jewelry are the most stolen item out of checked luggage. They should have allowed him on this flight, it sounds like a gate agent acting like God. Although that should be no surprise. Apparently anyone who works at an airport gate has been annointed. The rudeness of airline employees is overwhelming anymore.

  18. hatsumomo says:

    I think Im the only one here, but I LOVE what his daughter wears! When I was her age and if I had access to the things she has, MY LOOK WOULD HAVE BEEN ALL OVER THE PLACE! you go girl! Rock it while you can!

  19. Mia says:

    I’m over him and his problems with the airlines. He’s ridiculous. People stare at me & whisper about getting kicked off the last plane. How would we have known about that if this twit hadn’t gone on a twitter rampage against Southwest. I didn’t have any sympathy then, don’t now. He was at the airport 2 hrs in advance and waited until the last minute to board. Sounds like a problem to be taken up with the hired guide, not Virgin. They did their job.

    And I don’t feel bad about his wife’s medication. She knows she needs it, she could take it with her on the plane. I’ve never had any problems taking my medications on the plane with me. My mother has a medical condition and she carries a letter with her from her doctor that explains her condition and the need for her appliances and medication. So, no…no sympathy. They are just whining to whine.

  20. JuJuBee says:

    Wow let’s attack Amy for stating the obvious. Her comments certainly didn’t warrant a C**T or STFU. Sensitive much?

    Kevin Smith himself has stated he’s “too fat” and has never blamed it on a medical condition. Even though most of the weight loss battle can be emotional, the advantage he has is that he has resources the majority can only dream of having. No need to attack Amy for pointing that out.

  21. Melissa says:

    If you’re checked in but haven’t boarded the plane by the time they want to close the doors, don’t they usually make an announcement asking “Passenger Smith, please report to gate 25 for boarding”? I hear this all the time in airports. If they know you’ve checked bags, you’re clearly at the airport, so they give some courtesy calls to make sure you get your ass to the plane. Sounds like his concierge service messed up, not the airline.

  22. KsGirl says:

    I’m not a fan of his movies (at all) but I’m on his side, again, here. Nothing really to do with him – I’d be on anyone’s side in this/these situations. It must be nice to have the power to actually DO something about bad service. Come on, people, defending the airlines? Seriously? Virgin did exactly the right thing, Southwest didn’t, and if in the future I have a choice between these 2, it’s going to be Virgin all the way because of how they handled this. LISTEN TO YOUR CUSTOMERS and I’m yours.

    Also, the fact that he is fat is no one’s business. The solution to rude service isn’t ‘what can the consumer do to make themselves more acceptable to the business’ – it’s the opposite.

  23. olivia says:

    i always thought that if you checked in your luggage, the plane won’t leave without you or without taking your luggage off first because it’s a security risk.

  24. lucy2 says:

    I don’t know why they didn’t let him on, people board last minute all the time. Seems silly.
    BUT – his wife should not have checked medication. Unless it’s liquid, I don’t know of anyone who has had a problem if they have a legal prescription.
    And he seems way too sensitive about the whole being looked at thing – seriously, I don’t gawk at the other passengers, and even if I did, I wouldn’t recognize him if I tripped over him. Lady Gaga in sitting in first class in full costume I might notice, but this guy? Not so much.

    Wouldn’t it be cheaper just to buy a newspaper and hold that up to block your face from the ogling masses, than hire a concierge service???

  25. Jeri says:

    If the airline works with a “concierge” service they know how it works (boarding in the last minutes) and they should not have refused him boarding.

    Actually, they should not refuse anyone boarding that is there in time, even if they don’t enter with the great herds.

  26. Kim says:

    Wah wah wah I’m rich but I still can’t buy exactly what I want. Pity me!

  27. Zvonk says:

    I hate when fat people use the phrase “it’s a medical condition” to excuse obesity. The majority of obese people are overweight because they have no self control when it comes to eating.

  28. clorismetchum says:

    well, he’s a fatty.

  29. Madison says:

    Who does this dude think he is, Brad Pitt? I wouldn’t look at him twice if I saw him. I can’t believe that people like this him and his friend Ben hire a service to help them get on the plane last so that nobody will look at them, what an egotistic and narcisstic attitude they have.

  30. tvf says:

    Last time I flew, I carried on a goodly amount of diazepam, a 60-day supply of thyroid meds, and at least six ounces of liquid antibiotic. Security didn’t blink. There’s absolutely no reason to check medication.

  31. original kate says:

    “And the next three flights I took, it was the same. Even worse: when you fly first, you board first, sit down… and then EVERYONE files past you.”

    ohhh….boo-fucking-hoo. the famous fat guy has people looking at him as he enjoys his nice comfy seat in first class, with his decent food and his extra legroom, while the rest of us unwashed masses are piled in economy like cattle. fuck him. and also? what kind of an idiot checks medication on a plane? if your luggage gets lost you are screwed. as long as you have a prescription it is fine. i have medication i have to take and i always carry the bottle in my purse on planes. i’ve never had a problem, not one time.

    he needs to stop snivelling, grow up, lose some damn weight, and his wife needs to hang on to her meds. what a couple of dumbasses.

  32. sally says:

    If you don’t want to be stared at for being a fat guy that dresses like a 12 year old, put down the burger and put on some pants.

  33. Christina says:

    The “you must be on board now” cut off for US domestic flights is usually in the neighborhood of five minutes before departure time. (It can vary, but usually doesn’t, especially at JFK.) Departure time is the time the aircraft pulls back from the gate, NOT the time you take off. If he was there ten minutes before, there should have been no problem.

    How many people have twit-bitched about bad service at the airport before? Just because someone’s paying attention to this guy doesn’t mean his complaint is less valid.

  34. original kate says:

    “You usually HAVE to check medication now. They don’t let you take ANYTHING in your carry-on anymore.”

    @ scarlet vixen: i don’t know where you got that information but it is not true. the last trip i took in october mr. original kate was taking a blood thinner that had to be injected every day (to dissipate a weird clot – he’s fine now) and he carried 10 pre-loaded syringes (with prescription) onboard. we showed them at security, they said no problem and i had them in my purse the whole time.

    never check your medications in case something happens to your luggage.

  35. Allie says:

    I don’t understand why he wasn’t let on. I have sat on planes and waited while they paged and paged people who were late for the flight. And they were not first class passengers.

    If he has the money to afford a first class ticket and a service that gets his ass to the plane right before take off so he doesn’t have to wait in line, then more power to him. He is paying for a service, he should get that service 100%.

    I think a lot of people commenting on this site are a little bit bitter for no reason at all. And if they had gone through the same thing, they would have bitched and complained to everyone that would listen.

  36. Kath says:

    He calls himself fat, tells a story about literally breaking his toilet with his fat ass, jokes about his man-boobs, etc. Let’s not make up fantasy medical conditions for his weight, then attack people who aren’t sharing the delusion.

    I would totally stare at him at an airport… Clerks, Dogma, Chasing Amy… he’s responsible for a few of my favorite movies.

  37. Dr_Venkman says:

    I call BS on the “medication still onboard” topic. I have spend countless hours in planes, waiting for checked luggage being unloaded because the according passenger not showing up for boarding.