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Kelly Preston was interviewed as part of a segment that aired on The Today Show yesterday. She talked about her newborn son, Benjamin, with her husband John Travolta, and revealed that she had a “silent birth” as is typical for members of the Scientology cult. The first thing that struck me about Kelly was her demeanor. She seemed very affected and phony to me, albeit superficially “nice.” It was clear a few minutes into the interview that she’s a total whackjob.
On what silent birth is
Silent birth is basically just no words as much as possible. If you need to moan, if you need to cry out … of course that’s normal. But, it’s just bringing them in, in as peaceful and gentle a way as possible.On how L. Ron came up with this silent birth theory
Because L. Ron Hubbard found that the single source of abberation of psychosomatic illnesses, stress, fears, worry, things like that have to do with the reactive mind, and in that part of the mind is different words and commands that can come back to affect you later in your life.On how silent birth benefited her kids their whole life
My kids have always been amazing. Just very calm, very peaceful, happy and I absolutely know it’s very much because of that.On how baby Benjamin helped them heal from losing 16 year-old Jett
It’s been wonderfully healing. Of course, you know, we still — it’s still every day. But it’s been, I think, a really nice gift for a lot of people throughout the world. We’ve gotten the most beautiful letters. And the most beautiful notes of happiness
[From Today Show interview, aired 1-19-11, and via Popeater]
The “silent birth” stuff doesn’t sound that abnormal until she gets to the L. Ron part. When I had my son I asked everyone in the room to shut the hell up until the pushing stage because they were bugging me. (This is true, and I was pretty serious about it so they complied.) The thing that Kelly doesn’t address is that her cult also recommends that parents not even talk to a new baby for a full week after it’s born. That’s borderline abusive and is also idiotic considering that babies are used to hearing their parents voices from when they’re in the womb. L. Ron pulled this stuff out of his ass and Kelly talks about him as if he’s God. (That’s at 3:30 in the video above.)
I believe that Kelly really had that baby, and I’m guessing that she may have used an egg donor due to her age. I don’t really care much for Kelly or John, but I wish them the best with their new baby, especially after all they went through with the loss of their son, Jett. Kelly is clearly brainwashed, though, and the way she goes on about L. Ron, the reactive mind, and her kids being more peaceful due to their birth experience (as if that imprints on them more than anything else in their lives) is pretty disturbing. This is absolutely a woman who could easily be in denial about her husband’s sexual preference.
Here are John and Kelly out at Mr. Chow last night, 1/19/11. Credit: WENN.com
crazy lady. it does make me think she has no idea about John’s love of men in hot tubs.
Scientologist Stepford wife (as Katie Holmes is turning into). Xenu is producing some real wackos. Poor baby Ben…hope he can break free!
It’s sad to see she’s still drinking the Kool Aid. Silent birth must be easy – when someone else is having the baby for you.
the similarities in presentation, speech pattern, and tone of voice between preston and holmes are eerie. are scientologists taught/encouraged to speak like this?
That L. Ron Hubbard and his silent birth lark sound incredibly misogynistic.
I am he as you are he as you are me…..
goo goo ga joob.
That’s nonsense she spouts.
I think L. Ron is The Walrus.
I remember reading a true crime novel about the Black Dahlia case that mentioned L. Ron’s pre-Scientology cult. I don’t remember everything that the author presented on it, but it did involve some beliefs that went into Scientology (psychology, pharmaceuticals, L. Ron as Numero Uno) as well as sexually deviant practices among the members. I’m going to look for that, see what resources the author used.
Tiki: they go through a lot of very rigorous mind-altering sessions. It’s always seemed to me that the goal is to remove a layer of basic humanity (the ability to feel shame, embarrassment, discomfort, compassion) and then paste on a sanitised, scientology-approved layer of superficial friendliness to replace it.
Make no mistake: every scientologist believes that to save the world, it must be ‘cleared’ of every single person who is opposed to scientology. And they believe that NOTHING is off limits to get that done.
Ever notice that a lot of scientologists have a very similar, very intense stare? (this is why Tom Cruise often looks like he wants to eat your eyeballs, even when he’s smiling)
Hasn’t L Ron’s own son discredited the cult? I think he even mentioned that his dad wanted to make money so he created his own religion. How can some people be so stupid?
when you give birth to a baby (vaginally and no meds ) you dont moan , u effing scream your lungs out
She sure is trying, unsuccessfully, to cover up her never-pregnant, flat stomach in those photos……
Wow, and this is the woman who almost got George Clooney to commit. I guess he doesn’t like them brainy.
Hilarious pics of the Cloons here, btw:
http://www.people.com/people/george_clooney/biography
complete self betrayal in her eyes, really weird
@lin234
After reading your comment, I did a google search and found this:
http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/scien240.html
Fascinating reading!
Edit: Oh my goodness! Anybody know if it’s true that Errol Flynn was a pedo?
Eh the silent birth is self inflicted harm I care more about the week of not talking to the baby with minimal health care. I wish the Today show had the guts to ask about that one.
I have a couple of friends and we always look at couples to see if they are solid. ONE way is we think does this couple have sex. NOW when I look at John/Kelly I have never thought of sex. EVER. Same with Tom/Katie. Affection yes. SEX no. They just don’t seem to have that underlying passion. And I don’t mean falling all over each other. I have seen couples in their 70’s and you can see that spark between them that they still have passion. NOT so with this couple. She seems the earth mother type. She has 2 children and if John is gay on the downlow.. I think she may not care because she gets to be a Mommy. John has always been weird to me, just something too over the top sweet. It is almost sickening sweet. But hey people like him so…
She sounds deranged.
Operation Clambake.
These folks have been debunking, attacking and offering help to people seriously affected by the evil that is Scientology. You will NOT believe the depth of depravity and mind control. Celebs have it easy because they give the cult legitimacy.
http://www.xenu.net/
I wouldn’t be surprised if these women were put in a dark little room, all alone, tied to a chair, & ‘broken down’ mentally & emotionally until they were completely brainwashed, and parroted the scientology rules by memory.
Not speaking to one’s newborn IS abuse. Those first few months of life are *so* important due to how much the brain develops during that time… They have *proof* that children who were separated/segregated due to illness as newborns (as sometimes happens), end up growing up lacking normal emotional growth. Sometimes even documented as becoming sociopaths.
Silent birth. Let L.Ron experience the reality of childbirth, and see how silent he is. Fucking idiot.
It’s pretty easy to have a silent birth when the baby is being born to a surrogate in another city.
Well, I suppose that you have to generally be deluded to ignore the fact that your busband like to bonk men.
I totally believe in in-utero sentience and am of the belief that birth is a tramatic experience for the baby. Regressing someone to infancy under hypnosis has provided some evidence. Although, increasingly I’m speculating that the two of them have an agreement based on their common beliefs and friendship rather than a romantic union. Only they know.
But what’s tramautic is being in the darkness and warmth of mom’s womb to suddenly be pushed out of a small hole into a strange environment. Whether the mom screams or not is immaterial.
#14 That link is AMAZING! Everyone should go see it!
The children of L Ron mysteriously died/disappeared, and a remaining son, L Ron Jr, went into hiding.
He says his father said drugs are the easiest way to get close to the devil.
All Scientologists are deluded. What other “religion” costs hundreds of thousands of dollars to practice?
The not talking to the baby for a week after birth is, like everyone else has said, abuse. It is psychologically damaging. In one of my classes (sensation and perception) we reviewed a lot of studies on newborns. They had one where the parents don’t talk to the hcild for like an hour or two…and omg, it’s insane. The child who wasn’t held or talked to didn’t recognize their parents after a few hours. I mean, the babies were fine after beign with their parents for a few hours…but I couldn’t imagine what it would psychologically do to the child after a week!
That is the face of a cult member. Just because your a movie star doesn’t mean your a smart person.
@Macheath —
Flynn was supposedly into very young teenage girls. I do know that the studios had to do a lot of damage control due to his alcohol/drug use.
A real winner, that one.
She is disturbing, as is that interviewer for crawling up her arse and skipping over scientology so gliby and casually, as if it were a perfectly normal and rational set of beliefs. I used be sympathetic towards her and JT after Jett died but no more. These people are sick freaks and at celeb level, even sicker freaks because they use their celeb platform to promote it. Sick.
@TESS: you have MADE my entire day !! GOO GOO GA JOOB ! hahhahahhahah!!!
and why does John look so PASTY? it’s like layers and layers of makeup or ? what’s up with THAT?
He’s ‘ Peaceful and gentle and VERY present?’ HUH? why wouldn’t he be peaceful, gentle and let’s HOPE he’s present ! (coffee spurting)
I am not sure if it was the case, but the media really made it seem that John and Kelly ignored a lot Jett’s medical issues and put too much trust in Scientology. Her son may have been very “calm” but the media made it sound as though he had very limited language and social skills. I am a littled stunned that she can try to sell the Scientology philosophy when Scientology does not acknowledge that conditions like Autism and epilepsy exist, conditions many believed her son lived with.
Everyone should read #14’s link….whoa. this cult is crazier than I thought!
You know what I love about these comments? In most posts, commenters have differing opinions. I like this actress, I hate that actor, so and so is totes gay, etc. But I love that everyone – every single commenter – sees how ridiculous and insane Scientology is. Not one person is like “well, I mean, if you read Dianetics…” because it’s that obviously wacked out. I think we should follow suit with Germany and refuse to recognize it as legit religion, if not outright ban it like France did. I’m all for freedom of religion, and I’m not saying most other religions don’t have their share of ridiculousness (my family believes we drink the blood of our savior every Sunday), but scientology is dangerous and predatory.
Actually, it’s pretty damn noisy in the womb. That’s one of the reason why babies are soothed by sounds of things like the washing machine going. A lot of rhythmic body-operating thumping all around, not to mention outside noise, are audible to the baby. It’s not silent in there; why would they suddenly freak out if it’s noisy out here?
And that doesn’t even take into consideration the silent week, which, like everyone else said, is just cruel and wrong.
I saw some of her appearances at various protests relatating PPD and mental illness and she is SCARY. Xenu has taken over large chunks of brain.
I have also read that the Sci-heads treat their public pupputs, like Cruise, Travolta et al very differently from the ordinary cult member. The Xenu stars never see the uglier side of the cult or encounter “negative” views.
i don’t find her phony at all. i’m one of those nuts that remembers actors from their obscure ‘earlier’ films…and i liked when she played a witch in the 80’s flick ‘spellbinder’ (i was in my ‘faux-goth’ period lol) and one thing about her that stood out is that ‘affectation’ in her speech. i guess it’s just how she talks and has for 20 some-odd years. 😮
This wacko nutjob denied that her own son was autistic and denied him the medical and social care that would have made his life even marginally better. They’re insane- both the Travolta’s and the Cruise’s. Scientology is the perfect lifestyle for ego driven celebrities who already think they’re better than everyone else- that’s why Tommygirl gets so pissed when he thinks others are being “glib”. I LOVED that Ricky Gervais outed the little nitwits.
I honestly believe that the vast majority of Sciento ‘believers’ choose to sign on to the cult because the only other option is to risk being signed up for a mental health review. But, all you have to do is sign up with this ‘church’, sign over your life savings/earnings and voila, no worries about insanity, schizophrenia, bi-polar disorder or depression. Everyone around you is certifiable and they will all tell you what you want to hear. You’re not crazy, the world is crazy, you don’t need drugs to get rid of the voices in your head, let L. Ron Hubbard’s voice replace the others; you don’t need help, the world needs you to save it!
My kids have always been amazing. Just very calm, very peaceful, happy and I absolutely know it’s very much because of that.
well that clinches it. of course, my son is also very peaceful and happy, and he got here after 24 hours of hellish labor, an emergency c section, and three people yanking on him to unjam him from where his head had become completely stuck in his mother’s pelvis. you just gotta start them right. or, y’know, completely wrong.
urgh her hands are absolutely disturbing
@Macheath – thanks for that link!
‘On how silent birth benefited her kids their whole life
My kids have always been amazing. Just very calm, very peaceful, happy and I absolutely know it’s very much because of that.’
Didn’t her son have a condition that contributed to his death? So how did silent birth help with that?
I had the absolutely worst labor and delivery with my son, and screamed the whole time. They finally vacuumed him out, and I screamed more.
He was the most peaceful calm baby I have ever met.
this is some serious Cray Cray talkin!
Actually, the issue after birth that creates problems is not touching or only minimal holding. There was no proscription against holding, as I understand.
I just get a real cold cold vibe from her those scientologists are really freaking creepy.
I once heard that Scientology was an avenue whereby celebrities could hide their money and not be taxed on it because it is considered a church in California?
Maybe I’m mistaken, but that has always made me wonder if these celebs believe any of the Scientology crap and just have to spew the garbage in order to protect their money.
“This is absolutely a woman who could easily be in denial about her husband’s sexual preference.”
This is what I was thinking as I was reading her statements.
Having the room quiet doesn’t sound crazy, but having mom not talk and continue not talking to the poor little baby really is borderline abusive. Babies recognize mom’s voice when they are born and it soothes them. Leaving a baby alone in a room is so unnatural and crazy.
Hm, I just thought of something. I’m no doctor or scientist by any means. I’m barely on my way to a bachelor’s, BUT, could there be any connection between this “silent birth” ritual and Jett’s alleged autism?
To be on the autistic spectrum means, among other things, that your ability to relate to others is compromised. It’s difficult for those affected to read social cues and communicate effectively with others, and as you go down the spectrum, the ability to communicate and form relationships becomes more difficult.
Now if Scientologists believe (and I haven’t done all my homework because everytime I read Scientology’s actual beliefs and practices I just wanna put a gun to my head) that birth should be quiet and the baby shouldn’t be spoken to/be physically touched often within the first week after birth, couldn’t that have something to do with an environmental factor causing one to be autistic? Essentially they’re robbing the child of social contact right out of the womb, so after a week of that, anything that happens (increased physical affection and speaking) is now out of the ordinary. If you ask my (non) professional opinion, these idiots probably triggered autism in Jett, who may have had a predisposition to be on the spectrum biologically, but the switch was flipped by the birth ritual, then refused to treat it because it’s not a “real condition” to them.
I dunno, I’m a conspiracy theorist I guess.
These guys will stop at nothing… they even bribed the london police:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/may/20/1
on. no. she. fucking. did. not.
No, she did not qoute LRon. No she did not have the balls, the ignorance or the self-righteous confoundedness to quote LRon.
What a fucking loser.
I haven’t even seen 22 year olds look so good so fast after having a baby, never mind a 48 year old woman who has already had two children. Kelly has always looked cold as ice to me, and the story is she’s the one who’s the Scientolobot, him not so much, and she had the baby to keep him from coming out and ruining her “perfect” life.
If that’s true, she’s effing crazy.
Of course LRon espouses “silent birth” – he’s. A. MAN! Duh.
i feel bad for scientologists…it must be difficult to be that ignorant.
It’s an interesting hypothesis, KJ, but it’s dangerous to assume that parental interaction (or lack thereof) can cause such a debilitating cognitive disorder, especially one as pervasive as autism. Especially when current research suggests problems with neurological “wiring” and synapse communication.
I’d say that neglecting a newborn for the first couple weeks of their life certainly hinders parental attachment (and possibly future social interactions), but I think you need a lot of empirical evidence to suggest a causality between “silent birthing” and autism. And with current social and legal standards of morality, I think the only way to research this topic would be on a case-study basis. Good luck trying to get psychiatric records from those $cis, KJ. 😉
@#37 bizzy… ha ha ha! I was an OB RN for awhile and I can picture that real well…. thanks for the laugh. 🙂
Saw the interview on Today. So phony. So weird.
I don’t envy their two children… the pressure on them to be perfect as they grow up will make for an abnormal childhood.
Hubbard: I believed in Satanism. There was no other religion in the house! Scientology and black magic. What a lot of people don’t realize is that Scientology is black magic that is just spread out over a long time period. To perform black magic generally takes a few hours or, at most, a few weeks. But in Scientology it’s stretched out over a lifetime, and so you don’t see it. Black magic is the inner core of Scientology –and it is probably the only part of Scientology that really works. Also, you’ve got to realize that my father did not worship Satan. He thought he was Satan. He was one with Satan. He had a direct pipeline of communication and power with him. My father wouldn’t have worshiped anything. I mean, when you think you’re the most powerful being in the universe, you have no respect for anything, let alone worship.
This is from Hubbard’s mouth from the link above.
These people are NUCKING FUTS!
I never like to ‘bash’ someones faith, but there is a fella that works in my office who recently became a Scientologist, out of curiosity I asked how that was going for him… he explained that he was ‘audited’ or something like that and found out that in his prior life he was a soldier on Mars or some such nonsense. To each their own, but that sh*t sounds wack-a-doodle to me. But hell, I guess the same could be said about walking on water, etc. Who knows?
If these are the things she believes and that get her through the day, more power to her.
Yes, I find Scientology ridiculous, but you know, there are millions who find my religion to be ridiculous. To each his/her own, I say. The COS doesn’t have a place in my life, so it’s no bother to me what the whack nuts do when giving birth or anything else.
KJ– I have 2 kids with autism and gave birth with lottsa noise!!! Predisposition to develope (regress) into autism was triggered by adhering to the strict vaccination schedule (our experience anyway) my kids lost all speech eye contact, etc. and it wasn’t because they were pushed aside and ignored. our last child did not follow vac. shedule and is typical, and everytime she has to get one (so she can go to school) she gets VERY ill. every case of ASD is individual. ANYWAYS, the autism of Jett isn’t whats so tragic, it’s that they denied it, an in doing so
I just don’t get it.
it’s documented that Hubbard was a drug addict, a drug smuggler, a pedophile, a traitor to his country, a satanist and is quoted as saying words to the effect of “you want to get rich? invent a religion for the stupid masses”.
and yet, people STILL follow his “religion”?
I read the Penthouse interview, and I read the quotes from the “Reverend” who was acting as a spokesman from the Co$, but has anyone ever asked a follower, like Cruise or Travolta or Alley, about Hubbards history and what they know of it? and if they DO know his history, how they can still believe that tripe?
CONTINUED #58; denied him. the assholes. I LOVE,LOVE my kiddies!!
I hate the implication that if a mother makes noise while in labor she will be at fault for any problems in her child’s later life…classic, blame the woman!
Also, the link btw autism and vaccinations is FALSE. It was just revealed that the “scientist” who found the link MADE IT UP and published false information! He should be punished for all of the children whose parents believed that by not vaccinating them they were protecting them, but were actually exposing them to diseases like whooping cough which is killing babies again. Makes me furious!
Well, this confirms one of my greatest suspicions.
Kelly probably made noise and cooed to Jet during his birth and after, and now probably thinks that his Autism was her fault because of that. The fact that she says that psychological and psychiatric problems are merely “psychosomatic” is the icing on the cake.
What a moron! She is basically saying L Ron said her sons illness/autism was in his own head! She is a cult member with no brain of her own. What do we expect from someone in an arranged marriage with a gay man. She sold her soul long ago.
I feel for anyone who has lost a child but i feel John & Kelly are completely irresponsible for so adamantly denying he had autism or any ilness because of their scientology beliefs. They could have helped other kids with same illness but no they cant admit he had illness because Scientology doesnt recognize those types of illnesses or says they are in ones head. Who would support something that told them their childs autism was in his head?!!!!
L Ron Hubbard was a psychotic, drug addict, pedophile whose own son wouldnt have a thing to do with him!
Its one thing to not agree with a religion but Scientology is NOT a religion (even Tom Cruise says it isnt a religion) and its been proven the founder founded it in order to get rich & famous, verbatem words from L Rons mouth he said ON TAPE so there is no denying he said it.
People who believe in Scientology are 100% NUTS! Nothing more, nothing less. They are simply
not right in the head.
I saw a few minutes of it and instantly thought she seemed really cold, and oddly smug.
Agree with whoever mention the tax shelter idea of CoS, I’ve long suspected that was a big part of the appeal for some of the wealthy celebs.
@alarmjaguar-there IS a link btw vaccines and autism, ask almost any parent of child with ASD. the Department of Defense also acknowledges the link. It’s not the sole cause but it’s one of many. When parents are finally given a voice that is heard, along with DAN doctors, maybe people will wake up and realize THAT is what needs to be listened to.
I’m pretty sure the study linking autism and vaccinations was debunked pretty recently, and called “an elaborate fraud.” The scientist, Wakefield, who authored it, falsified a lot of patient records and other data. He’s since been stripped of his medical license.
Link here: http://edition.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/05/autism.vaccines/index.html
Also: google Jenny McCarthy body count, it’s a good website.
And Reba, I mean no disrespect because I’m not a parent, and have very little personal experience with autism, and my heart definitely goes out to you and your babies. Regardless of what the cause is, I can only hope they can come up with something to prevent it or ease the stress for the children and the parents. As one poster said above, it’s their religion and they can do as they wish, but I have a problem with groups that push agendas that are dangerous. Not acknowledging Jett’s autism is extremely dangerous, and because they’re such a high profile family, could have hindered a lot of good. What about the Scientology believers who aren’t rich and famous? How are they supposed to treat their” not autistic” kids without the means to do all that the Travoltas did? Scientological practices are quite expensive.
right on! @Alarmjaguar!
“It’s been wonderfully healing. Of course, you know, we still — it’s still every day. But it’s been, I think, a really nice gift for a lot of people throughout the world. We’ve gotten the most beautiful letters. And the most beautiful notes of happiness”
So is she saying her late son’s death is a gift or her new sons birth? That’s really disturbing, I lost a child and it is traumatic it’s the worst thing you can experience in life. She reminds me of people who go out and buy a new pet of the same kind they just lost like you just replace them and it’s all better. She is sick.
@ KJ – Well, I am the mom of an autistic kid, and I can tell you that you are right that the vaccine-autism link has been completely and totally debunked. The fact that Reba and others like her STILL believe it is a mystery to me. Some people are uncomfortable with not having the answers, I guess, so they force themselves to believe all sorts of nonsense. It ultimately hurts their kids.
We all want answers, and we all want to help our kids. I am not a doctor, but I am smart enough to realize that 1) doctors know more than me, 2) anecdotal evidence is NOT dispositive, and 3) if the answers were simple we would have them by now. Unraveling autism is going to take a while. My daughter will likely be grown before we figure out what went haywire in her brain. In the meantime, we focus on her education and development. That is what I fault Kelly for: she willingly deluded herself about Jett, claiming he had Kawasaki’s disease, and focused on medical treatments instead of Jett’s education and therapy. All because, according to L.Ron, a psychological disorder indicates an evil, thetan-riddled person. Pathetic.
And KJ – I know you didn’t mean to stir up a pot of trouble, but questioning whether Kelly’s silence with Jett caused his autism will get a LOT of people in the autism community mad at you. It strikes a nerve b/c years ago, when autism was still rare, Dr. Bettelheim postulated that autism (and specifically the social withdrawal that sometimes accompanies autism) was caused by “refrigerator mothers”, i.e. mothers that were cold, withdrawn, and unaffectionate with their children. Of course, he based this theory on NO research or scientific method. It just sounded good. Later research proved this theory wrong, but the stigma stuck around for years. Everyone always blames the mom, right?
These people are not normal. To follow the mantra of a mediocre, yet manipulative (and greedy) sci-fi author says a lot about the rationality of Scientologists.
@Kim: ITA 100%. No more to add.
@Moops – I had no clue about the early theories of autism, thanks for that info. And while I wasn’t blaming JUST Kelly (not to say that anyone is to “blame” for a child’s disorder), I understand why it would stir shit up. It was more of a wondering out loud, and I do find it sad that when something goes wrong with a child, the finger points first at the mom.
Scientology birth practices are obviously lost on me, and I hate that people with the platform they do (the Travoltas, and the Jenny McCarthys of the world too) would try to perpetuate such bizarre, dangerous and frankly stupid ideas. I don’t think we should ever look up to celebrities just because they’re famous, but I understand that many people do. I’m normally not one to say they should think about the message they’re sending, but when it comes to health and science, things that are completely out of the realm of expertise of 98.9% of celebrities, they should really think about the message they’re sending.
@Ally,thanks for the Clooney link. I didn’t know he was married to Talia Balsam or had Bell’s Palsy as a kid but it went away in a year. Strangely him dating Kelly ties into Katie’s facial issue answer for some. I still say it’s her attempt at a sexy smirk.
whoever sold her that baby also sold out her soul.
“Because L. Ron Hubbard found that the single source of abberation of psychosomatic illnesses, stress, fears, worry, things like that have to do with the reactive mind, and in that part of the mind is different words and commands that can come back to affect you later in your life.”
Blah blah blah mumbo jumbo bull**it blah blah….
You, madame, are an idiot
my sister’s autistic and my mom reportedly had one hell of a noisy birth. I believe she even wished my father into the bowels of hell at scalpel point (yeah, I think my dad made up the scalpel part). She was also vaccinated, as was I and my youngest sister. Neither of us is autistic.
The COS is a tax shelter for the very rich, who don’t seem to understand or care that they belong to, and willingly publicize, a dangerous cult.
OMG she is a scientolobot. she talks and amiles and even tucks her hair back just like Katie Holmes. freaky.
::Hasn’t L Ron’s own son discredited the cult?::
His son committed suicide so we wouldn’t have to become the leader of the “church”. However, Jamie Kennedy is his grandson and speaks out against the cult all the time, risking his life as he gets stalked and harassed and threatened all the time.
Jesus this shit is scary.
I, too, am glad that everyone on this board seems to agree, at least in the basic sense, that scientology is absolute bullshit.
I don’t know why, but I’d never really seen anything about Kelly spouting this nonsense before. Any little bit of respect I had for her just disintegrated. I wouldn’t have thought this before, but I agree with whomever said she could *actually* be in denial about her husband’s sexual preference.
They also don’t believe in breastfeeding or even baby formula – they make some barley drink – totally lacking in proper nutrition for infants.
I am definately not supporting scientology here, but as a physical anthropologist, being familiar with bio-cultural interactions and a holistic view of health i have to say that this stuff is not that off base. There are many different labor and birth behaviors cross culturally and the mother’s wishes should always be respected. About the L.Ron ideas of psychosematic illnesses, ect it seems to fit with the widely accepted theories of neuro-linguistic programming. nothing said here is off base.
i think it’s funny that people absolutely want to discredit links between autism and vaccines…SO uncomfortable with the idea that injection a newborns nervous system, for years, with neuro toxins, could cause harm?
yea, well, that is what they used to say about transfatty acids, smoking, drinking while pregnant, etc. ‘oh, that’s crazy talk; the dept of health/drs. etc would tell us if it was dangerous-they care about our well being’.
Regardless of whether or not one guy says he started it all on a lark, parents have seen reactions in their children due to vaccines.
Chinese herbal medicines, homeopaths, etc are explicitly used to support vaccines-ie, to help children handle them w/o side effects.
And why call them side effects? it’s what the vaccines do, not ‘on the side’-same with pharmaceuticals. Just b/c it was not an ‘intended result’, so not mean it’s ‘on the side’.
Anywho…..eventually, this will all come to light-probably in several decades, or a cen tury.
Interesting how people forget that current medical practices are not etched in stone-it’s always a work in progress, and not always for the better. In any case, many practices today, accepted as the norm, are less than a hundred years old.
This is not an either/or story-the vaccine/autism thing. Much as people would like it to be….
oh yea, and people thought lead paint and asbestos were a good idea. And infant formula…and nitrates in food, and and and….we could do this for days….
@lrm
Actually it was debunked when the “doctor” Wakefield guy turned out to be LYING his ass off.
Children are again in danger of dying from whooping cough and scarlet fever, simply because parents have decided it’s better to risk their lives and go back to pre-penicillin era health standards.
Strange thing to be amused by.
Ahh, with all the info out there, people still sign up for scientology, there’s a fool born every minute so my husband says!!! Have they thought of auditing Suri yet???? Lol
For those of you unsure of the damage vaccines can cause see this link:
http://www.tasdogs.com/articles.htm
The article is the one at the top of the page. It should be a parents right to chose whether to vaccinate, not be forced to by pressure from friends family and government. I have vaccinated my children, not through wanting to, and am sure part of my sons PDD-NOs was caused by his 18 month caccine, when he began to regress within weeks of having it. I am also aware of a parent suppport group where 13 of the 17 members also are of this belief (vaccine induced problems).