Madonna tells Harper’s Bazaar she was raped at knifepoint her first year in NYC

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I got three paragraphs into Madonna’s Harper’s Bazaar cover interview – for the November issue – and my eye started twitching. It’s not that Madonna’s words are unremarkable or uninteresting. It’s that Madonna is 55 going on 15. It’s like she’s permanently an angst-ridden teenager. The whole piece is written in the first person, like this is how Madonna writes or talks directly to us – you can read the whole piece here. She goes on and on about how she realized at a very young age that she was and is a “rebel” and that knowledge made her “dangerous” in the eyes of people for the status quo. She goes on and on about that and she repeats the word “daring” (about herself) a million times. Anyway, some highlights:

People usually choose “truth” when it’s their turn because you can tell a lie about yourself and no one will be the wiser, but when you are dared to do something, you have to actually do it. And doing something daring is a rather scary proposition for most people. Yet for some strange reason, it has become my raison d’être.

If I can’t be daring in my work or the way I live my life, then I don’t really see the point of being on this planet.

…Most people thought I was strange. I didn’t have many friends; I might not have had any friends. But it all turned out good in the end, because when you aren’t popular and you don’t have a social life, it gives you more time to focus on your future. And for me, that was going to New York to become a REAL artist. To be able to express myself in a city of nonconformists. To revel and shimmy and shake in a world and be surrounded by daring people.

New York wasn’t everything I thought it would be. It did not welcome me with open arms. The first year, I was held up at gunpoint. Raped on the roof of a building I was dragged up to with a knife in my back, and had my apartment broken into three times. I don’t know why; I had nothing of value after they took my radio the first time.

…Trying to be a professional dancer, paying my rent by posing nude for art classes, staring at people staring at me naked. Daring them to think of me as anything but a form they were trying to capture with their pencils and charcoal. I was defiant. Hell-bent on surviving. On making it. But it was hard and it was lonely, and I had to dare myself every day to keep going. Sometimes I would play the victim and cry in my shoe box of a bedroom with a window that faced a wall, watching the pigeons shit on my windowsill. And I wondered if it was all worth it, but then I would pull myself together and look at a postcard of Frida Kahlo taped to my wall, and the sight of her mustache consoled me. Because she was an artist who didn’t care what people thought. I admired her. She was daring. People gave her a hard time. Life gave her a hard time. If she could do it, then so could I.

At 35, I was divorced and looking for love in all the wrong places. I decided that I needed to be more than a girl with gold teeth and gangster boyfriends. More than a sexual provocateur imploring girls not to go for second-best baby. I began to search for meaning and a real sense of purpose in life. I wanted to be a mother, but I realized that just because I was a freedom fighter didn’t mean I was qualified to raise a child. I decided I needed to have a spiritual life. That’s when I discovered Kabbalah…. They say that when the student is ready, the teacher appears, and I’m afraid that cliché applied to me as well. That was the next daring period of my life.

When I was 45, I was married again, with two children and living in England. I consider moving to a foreign country to be a very daring act. It wasn’t easy for me. Just because we speak the same language doesn’t mean we speak the same language. I didn’t understand that there was still a class system. I didn’t understand pub culture. I didn’t understand that being openly ambitious was frowned upon. Once again I felt alone. But I stuck it out and I found my way, and I grew to love English wit, Georgian architecture, sticky toffee pudding, and the English countryside. There is nothing more beautiful than the English countryside.

Then I decided that I had an embarrassment of riches and that there were too many children in the world without parents or families to love them. I applied to an international adoption agency and went through all the bureaucracy, testing, and waiting that everyone else goes through when they adopt. As fate would have it, in the middle of this process a woman reached out to me from a small country in Africa called Malawi, and told me about the millions of children orphaned by AIDS. Before you could say “Zikomo Kwambiri,” I was in the airport in Lilongwe heading to an orphanage in Mchinji, where I met my son David. And that was the beginning of another daring chapter of my life. I didn’t know that trying to adopt a child was going to land me in another s–t storm. But it did. I was accused of kidnapping, child trafficking, using my celebrity muscle to jump ahead in the line, bribing government officials, witchcraft, you name it. Certainly I had done something illegal!

Ten years later, here I am, divorced and living in New York. I have been blessed with four amazing children. I try to teach them to think outside the box. To be daring. To choose to do things because they are the right thing to do, not because everybody else is doing them. I have started making films, which is probably the most challenging and rewarding thing I have ever done. I am building schools for girls in Islamic countries and studying the Qur’an. I think it is important to study all the holy books. As my friend Yaman always tells me, a good Muslim is a good Jew, and a good Jew is a good Christian, and so forth. I couldn’t agree more. To some people this is a very daring thought.

[From Harper’s Bazaar]

Good Lord. SO DARING. The rape story is the part that is getting the most attention, and seriously, poor Madonna on that count. But the rest of it is just… annoying and cringeworthy. She’s still trying to prove that she was the original nonconformist, that she’s still an angsty teenager and she still appears to angsty teenagers. And to what end? What is all this daring nonconformity all about? It’s just about Madonna. She doesn’t have anything interesting to say about life or love or music or politics. She just wants to “shock” you with how “daring” she is and that’s the message in and of itself. It’s tissue-paper nonconformity, disposable rebellion that no one would notice if Madonna wasn’t so good at self-promoting her own DARING lifestyle.

Here are the Photoshop Disaster pics from her Terry Richardson shoot. Look at her cleavage. SO DARING. I’m shocked she didn’t wear her DARING GRILLZ.

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Photos courtesy of Harper’s Bazaar.

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  1. Lilalis says:

    I’m sure Goop thinks of herself as daring too.

  2. Linda L says:

    Classic narcissist.
    And how exactly does selling yourself as the object of men’s sexual desires (how she got famous!) fit the definition of non-conformist? That IS conforming, at its base level. Sell your body to the masses- get famous!

    Oh, Madonna. You- like almost every celebrity- should just stop talking. Let your art speak for itself.

    On the flip side, her music/voice has gotten better over the years. Still like to bop around to True Love, La Isla Bonita, Ray of Light, etc. when no one is looking…

    • Azurea says:

      AGREED. And in the last pic it looks like she’s saying “Not tonight, I have a headache.”

    • Kim says:

      The one thing Madonna did was be a woman in charge of her sexuality, regardless if you liked her for it or not. She took responsibility and wasnt a mans stereotype of what they wanted in a woman as most women before her in the industry were. She didnt come from fame or money and earned her way to the top and regardless if I like her or her music I do respect her for the fact that she worked really hard to get where she is.

  3. Jane says:

    Wrong D word.. DESPERATE is more like it.

    • SpankFD says:

      +1 Agreed.

      She just sounds so…developmentally delayed, emotionally speaking, though such an outlook isn’t too surprising in someone who
      1. continually “reinvents herself” with new personas, etc, as if trying to find herself
      2. is threatened by Gaga, Steffani, etc.
      3. is rumored to indulge in binge/purge/body dimorphism type behaviors
      4. dates people half her age – un-ironically

      I just don’t know what to say. Why can’t we have a successful, empowered woman who is wise and emotionally astute? Are the pressures on us as women so acute? Why aren’t as men freaking out like this (or if they are, why aren’t we talking about it)? Do they get a pass where we don’t?

  4. DanaG says:

    Yep Madonna is desperate to hang onto her youth. And it’s not working. All the things Madonna did had been done before all tried and true methods of attention seeking. I wonder if Miley will come out with a coffee table book? LOL

    • Becky1 says:

      If she really wanted to be daring at this point in her life she’d age naturally instead of getting one cosmetic procedure after another. In the world of the rich and famous that truly would be a daring act.

  5. Jules says:

    Madonna went to high school in Rochester Mi with my cousins husband, they graduated together. She wasn’t daring in HS, she was the school slut. My cousin’s husband didn’t hit it, but 2 of his brothers did, like many others.

    • I Choose Me says:

      Not a fan of Madonna AT ALL but if she’s a slut so’s all the guys that hit it. I think she has a ton of issues but I wish the word slut didn’t get bandied about just because it’s a woman who happens to like or have had a lot of sex.

      • V4Real says:

        I’m with you on that I Choose Me. Perhaps it’s the brothers and all the others who so called hit it that are male whores. If this was a man who likes to sleep around no derrogatory slut shaming words would have been mention.

        This is what I mean and have been preaching on other posts. Women scream about feminism and being treated as equal counterparts to men. Yet women are the first to slut shame other women. I am by no means a fan of Madonna but maybe she was just a girl who loved sex just as much as a young man her age at that time. These double standards are out of control.

      • springingforward says:

        I think that 40 years worth of videos/photographs/books are evidence that she equates sex with power. Her definition of power over men.
        She has narcissistic personality disorder and her promiscuity in high school probably stemmed more from a devastatingly low self-esteem than enjoyment of sex.

      • V4Real says:

        Don’t get it twisted I’m not just referring to Madonna. I’m referring to any woman who has multiple sex partners who gets that label. It’s ok if a man does it but a woman gets labeled a slut, usually by other women. A man is praised and labeled as a player but a woman is a whore or slut; that’s a double standard no matter how you try to dress it up. Madonna was in high school at that time and what does that say about adults who label a teenage girl a slut.

      • Sloane Wyatt says:

        Well said, I Choose Me!

        Does it matter whether one was attempting to enjoy sex through trying on different partners for size, or if one thoroughly enjoyed having a lot of sexual partners, or if one was acting out their low self-esteem? Regardless, having numerous sexual partners does denote being a slut, period. I don’t have to tell any of you that the word “slut” is a male word construct that seeks to confine and define women’s sexual activities to bolster men’s power and control over women. You know sometimes I forget this fundamental fact: there are no victims, only volunteers. When we buy into using the word “slut”, we are accepting it and all its attending self-imprisoning parameters.

      • Linda says:

        I could marry your comment V4REAL. YOU now have a new fan.

      • tessy says:

        I don’t know, I always felt the same sense of ick with both males and females who slept around indiscriminately. And as a generic term called them sleeze bags. Not that I was ever mean to them, it is a sad choice but its certainly not “daring”. More like looking for love in all the wrong places, unless you’re a sex addict of course.

      • Babalon says:

        Thank goodness someone posted this, and early.

        +1000 I Choose Me.

      • Leila in Wunderland says:

        Yep. A young guy who has had sex with multiple girls is just enjoying sex. A young girl who has had sex with multiple guys is a slut and must have devastatingly low self-esteem, right Jules and Springing it forward?

        Ah, don’t you just love conservative patriarchal values? 🙂

        Serioously, even if she did hook up with several guys during her high school years, calling her a slut would still be misogynistic and unacceptable. But have you even considered the fact that your friend could be wrong about how many people she hooked up with? I’ve seen the middle-school/high school slut thing play out many times- I went to multiple schools. Too often the stories are exaggerated rumors and sometimes complete lies. Plus, to teenagers the world of sexuality is so new and they don’t know shit about equality and feminism, so it’s very easy for them to call any girl a slut based on her clothing choices, the way she dances, her flirting with guys, her sexual orientation, the age of her boyfriend, the age when she starts being sexual, and all kinds of other stuff.

      • Chianti says:

        Maybe slut is not very nice. What about promiscuous, low-morals, low self-esteem, no standards…it’s a double standard, but it is what it is. No need to be offended unless you were “that girl”

      • aang says:

        I think that the problem with multiple sexual partners, especially at a young age, is that it teaches one to be caviler with the feelings of others, to use others for ones own pleasure. Sex rarely exists in a vacuum and is rarely done purely for a physical reason. Someone always ends up hurt.

      • Missykittens says:

        Chianti, please. By your logic, you shouldn’t be offended by murders, rapes, terrorism, animal cruelty, robberies or anything else that doesn’t directly affect you. In my opinion, lack of empathy and lack of community spirit is evidence of low morals and standards, much more so than “promiscuity”.

    • Tulip Garden says:

      I think it is super healthy to enjoy sex. I allso think high school is a normal & typical venue to begin exploring your burdgeoning sexuality. I am not so sure that it is evidence of strength and confidence or general self happiness be the type of girl (or guy) that flies from one sexual encounter to another in high school. JMO

      • jwoolman says:

        The problem for girls, especially before DNA tests, is that they can get pregnant, which is a life-changer whether or not they carry to term. The boys don’t have the same risk or investment. Both girls and boys have little sense of the 18 year financial commitment a baby represents, or the lifelong emotional commitment (and what happens if the baby has special needs?). I think that’s why social pressures try to work on the girls to keep them from letting somebody’s little swimmers near their eggs. The boy can vanish from the aftermath scene while the girl can’t. Contraceptive technology is simply not 100% and at the same time fertility is generally highest for the young and stupid. So although it’s not fair to focus on the girls, it’s understandable why that happens, as a way to try to discourage doing anything that could result in a pregnancy. Boys are also at least two years behind the girls, making it even more difficult to affect their behavior. Convincing the girls to just say no might actually be an easier battle, although that might be changing once guys realize the financial hooks are much stronger today and it’s harder to disappear in the high tech world.

      • Tulip Garden says:

        jwoolman,

        You bring up some very important points. It is certainly true that a resultant pregnancy can be devastasting for a young girl. Also, as you noted, boys aren’t getting off very easily anymore either.
        I guess one of my concerns for the very young (high-schoolers) is that they are often embarrassed or unwilling to use condoms which protects not just against pregnancy but against STDs.
        Another concern that I have is emotional maturity. Of course, sex feels good to teens (and adults too) obviously. I just feel that many young women and men are not prepared for all of the emotional aspects involved in an intimate relationship. A break-up can be much worse when coupled with the ending of a sexual relationship or first-time partner. Also, worse yet I fear that some (females particularly) sometimes try to make these sorts of relationships work for far longer than they would have if sex were not involved.
        In general, I believe that it is far healthier, particularly for girls, to put off sexual relationship until after high school. There is so much “slut-shaming” still happening at those ages that I believe it would make for a far happier and healthier high school experience, one in which the majority of concentration can be on your studies, your friends, your fun, and, of course, dating without the terrifying worry of getting pregnant, called a “slut”, or dealing with the drama inherent in a teenaged break-up made worse by boys that like to repeat “…and then she and I ___________” did whatever sexually. I am concentrating on teen-aged girls because that is the subject here but I think that outside of the “slut-shaming” everything that I have written is equally applicable to young men.
        Okay, you all can now commence to tell me how “old fashioned” I am. BTW, I am not suggesting that sexual relations should wait until marriage. I am suggesting sex should wait until a person is more self-aware, more mature, and, hopefully, able to make better decisions 🙂

    • Ann says:

      Not a Madonna fan at all, but enough with the slut calling.

      • Peanut says:

        Totally. Like it’s actually relevant how many guys she did or didn’t sleep with in high school almost 40 years ago? I think not.

      • Jules says:

        It’s her only talent. Even she admitted that’s how she get where she did back in the 80’s.

      • Linda says:

        To Jules , you are being ridiculous, Madonna may be many things but no one can ever deny her talent. To slut shame her and even when corrected insist that being a slut is her only talent is just sad.

      • Wow says:

        What is with the hate?

        Love her or not, she is breaking barriers down ladies, so when YOU are in your 50s and still want to feel sexy or enjoy sex, you are not branded an old slut. Enough. Women are worse than men IMO, because deep down inside so many of us wish we had experimented more or had more sex, and so HATE those who have, and not ashamed about it either.

        She is a strong woman, hated by the male dominated music biz,am fab dancer and an icon.

        Deal with it.

    • eliza says:

      Doesn’t say much about the dudes either who slept with the school slut.

      Honestly, so what if she was slutty in school? Lots of women are called sluts by men and it doesn’t make it so. More men are sluts than the womem they bang. Fact!

    • Jayna says:

      Wow. Oh, all the men that say they slept with someone famous, but if she did, big deal.

    • chalkdustigirl says:

      Dare I say that his brothers were also the school sluts, then???

      And how does her sexual behavior negate any possibility of her being daring? Does fuc*ing erase it?

    • Debbie says:

      Aside from the “slut-shaming” “controversy” this comment created, if true, it does sort of call into question her “I was unpopular and had no social life” claim, doesn’t it?

      Unless we’re going to feel sorry for her needing love so badly that she felt she needed to sleep around, and the other girls didn’t like her when she doinked their boyfriends, so I guess she *was* telling the truth as she knew it, blah de blah blah blah.

      And you know what? I got a big bag of “whatever” for Madonna anymore. The fact that she’s 55 and *following* trends instead of *setting* them — lord a’mighty, what I wouldn’t give for a fashionable example of how to be saucy in my 40s and 50s without seeming sad and desperate to cling to my youth — automatically renders her irrelevant to me.

      In conclusion, SHE IS 55 YEARS OLD AND WEARS A GRILL ON HER TEETH BECAUSE SHE SAW MILEY DO IT. That is all.

    • Kim says:

      Supposedly having sex with 2 guys throughout high school makes 1 a slut? pllleeaaasssee. 2 nobodies trying to get some attention by saying they slept w Madonna back in the day (when they probably never even kissed her).

  6. Alexandra says:

    What’s the photoshop disaster??? Can’t see it!

    • Jane says:

      The woman is air-brushed to death. Pap shots on the street showing her without make-up show her looking 15 years older and very haggard.

      • AmandaPanda says:

        Seriously. Can’t take her seriously when she’s photoshopping herself into oblivion.

      • hadleyb says:

        Her jaw line looks amazing at 55, is that photoshop or surgery or both?

        Can’t stand her but her pics look gorgeous, she has the same beautiful eyes she always had though I think?

        I wonder what surgery she has had besides botox and fillers. Laser? face lift? Necklift?

  7. Ashley says:

    They finally had enough sense to cover up skeletor’s granny hands.

  8. Mika says:

    RIP Madonna’s titties

    • Liv says:

      What the fuck is wrong with her breasts in that picture? I swear if I see one more photo of Richardson I’m going to vomit!

  9. Zorbitor says:

    Well, it was the DARING issue after all

    • whipmyhair says:

      I don’t think that word means what she thinks it means.

    • Tara says:

      It doesnt even sound like a mag article. It reads more like an open letter to Miley, Ga Ga, Beyonce and Rihanna telling them to stfu.
      She makes her life sound like an even worse version of Eat Pray Love.
      Ugh.

  10. T.Fanty says:

    Oh, Madge. You are a legend, and defined an age (that has now gone). You set the bar for everyone today and managed to successfully manage the balance between feminism, power and sexuality that evades so many of today’s girls. You WERE amazing Please let that be enough for you and just retire while you still have a tiny shred of dignity left.

  11. lisa2 says:

    Gosh I just knew these pics were from that Richardson guy. They all have the same feel. I also just found out that Terry R. directed Miley’s video for Wrecking ball. I just don’t get why people are flocking to this man. I just don’t understand it at all.

    I really wish Madonna had just remembered she was Madonna. That she played the game the way she use to and didn’t feel the need to be this new person. She was an original in a sense and everyone else were copying her. Now she is trying too hard, and she doesn’t have or shouldn’t have had to.

    Shame..

  12. Baskingshark says:

    She actually has a few interesting points to make here, especially about England, but 95% of the article can be summed up as follows:

    “Me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me e me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me etc”

    • Aud says:

      That’s true.
      I remember the first interview I had read when she started out. She was always talking about herself. Decades on, things haven’t changed.

      • MinnFinn says:

        She was on Oprah about 10 years ago to promote her English Rose kids books.

        During that interview she said she had matured and had become less self-centered.

        But at the end of the interview she said all the profits from her books were going to a nonprofit group–that nonprofit was her own kid’s private school.

        Yeah, less selfish my arse.

      • GreenTurtle says:

        Aud, as Oscar Wilde says, “loving oneself is the beginning of a lifelong romance.” :D. Of COURSE nothing’s changed.

  13. *Laowai* says:

    55 going on 15 is the perfect way to describe Madonna. It is so creepy, sometimes…how she insists on behaving like a child. And somehow believes that her juvenile mindsets, tantrums, and stunts somehow makes her ‘sexy.’

    Because, nothing is sexier than being middle aged and having all the perspective of a teenager.

    Oh, and for the love of God, Madonna–stop calling yourself the patron saint of Malawi. Malawi has said, over and over again, that it wants nothing to do with you. So, stop trying to exploit third world countries for attention. And, don’t get mired in adoption battles over children who’s families still want them…it hardly makes you look heroic.

    • jwoolman says:

      To be fair, it’s obvious David was left in the orphanage to die. None of his extended family offered to help with him after his mother and brothers died, and he was not a healthy child. When his father was going to remarry, he and his new wife did not intend to get David back (she already had another son, I think). The talk about his family wanting him again seemed to be in response to foreign media suddenly interested in them. So his birth family had really emotionally and physically distanced themselves from him, as a sickly child who was expected to die. Leaving him at an orphanage seemed like a reasonable solution – he would be taken care of while alive and buried when he died. The economy is rather fragile in that area, I can understand why his father did it. He was a widower who had already buried two sons, and with no way to really work while caring for a sickly child, and most likely his family was pushing the orphanage solution. Certainly American families have made such tough decisions themselves in earlier times (people forget what a difference government assistance programs have made), leaving children in orphanages or scattering them among relatives to work for their keep. Solving the problem for David without adoption would involve improving the medical and social and economic situation for the whole community so taking care of a sick motherless child would be more doable. Definitely the idea of community support instead of focusing on individual children is underway as an alternative in some places. We’ll have to wait until David is an adult to ask him if getting adopted by Madonna was a reasonable choice for him.

      • Ravensdaughter says:

        Wow-great analysis, really. I don’t think anyone ever explained the entire Malawi adoption situation-in the context of the poverty and the horrible choices people make or are forced to make in Malawi-as precisely and as thoughtfully as you just did. Thank you.

  14. fingerbinger says:

    I’m a little surprised at the Madonna bashing. Oh well. I’m still a fan and always will be.

    • Cecilia says:

      I’m with you fingerbinger.

    • Sloane Wyatt says:

      I am still a huge fan, too!! Her music really holds up, and Madonna puts on a hell of a concert still today.

      I wish Madonna would be a real trailblazer again and regain her long gone avant-garde bona fides. She could be TRULY daring by insisting all of her images be photo-shop free. By spearheading authentic rebellion, raging against the machine, and leading the fight against our covertly suppressive patriarchal culture, she would once again buck dominant convention. Instead of confusing youth with relevance, Madonna could remind us, and herself, to embrace the timeless ultimate – beauty is truth, truth beauty.

    • Sea Dragon says:

      I always liked Madonna but a few years ago I was doing research on um, mischievous behavior and came across this:

      http://www.aishamusic.com/lawsuit_many_artists_madonna_stole_from.htm

      She’s a great dancer and she’s a hard worker but I think her genius lies in her ability to copycat others, change at a moment’s notice and own both fully. I also suspect she’s very savvy, knowing exactly who to surround herself with and using them at just the right moment.

      Personally, I’ve come to the conclusion that she’s a talented hack and con artist but her own refusal to live in the here and now (a virtue that’s part and parcel to her character) stifles her from seeing anything beyond her favorite mirror.

  15. Penny says:

    Wow. This is the first post I’ve ever read on Madinna on CB. I may be in the minority but since I did not know some of the details of her life in this account, I was amused. Not shocked. I’m a NY transplant myself. Never mugged or raped or held at gunpoint or forced to sell my body to ‘survive’ here. Where I’m from in the Midwest, Madonna’s experience is the text book perception of what New Yorkers live. So thanks Madonna for extinguishing the flame of “it’s not really like that” which I’ve fanned for years. My small town folk probably think my rather granola experience is a lie.

    On another note, there are aspects of Madonna’s life that show she is a liberal. I may be wrong but embracing homosexuality and gender identity choice was not something that everyone did when Madonna was doing it. Same goes for her attitude toward interracial dating or embracing different cultures (despite the fact that may have been more about being edgy). She’s also a survivor of domestic violence. Not sure how that surfaced – her abusive relationship with Sean. Nor am I aware of her campaigning on violence against women. I could go on, but the point is as flawed and gimmicky as she appears, her experience loans to us a forum for discussing and addressing societal ills. She lived, she sang or danced about them. Even though her motives may have been ulterior it doesn’t change the fact that she shed some light on them and helped to start dialogues.

    • Bodhi says:

      She moved to NYC in the 70s when it was significantly more dangerous than it is now. I’m not at all surprised that she was robbed & assaulted. NYC was a scary, dangerous place back then

    • Virgilia Coriolanus says:

      I always did wonder how that whole story about Sean Penn torturing her for days came out–because the best I could come up with, when I looked it up, was a book that was written by her former manager/assistant or something–so I guess it isn’t on file, the assault, because she never pressed charges??

      • Penny says:

        Yeh. I never fact found that. I’d think if it were horseshit, Sean being a star himself would seek legal action against slander, right? He remarried Robin Wright and fathered Dylan – the 50 Shades lead (I’m sure you know). He is rumored to still be violent and a cheat. Usually tigers don’t change stripes and evidently Sean has not beat or left the abuser rep behind.

      • Virgilia Coriolanus says:

        I’m not saying it didn’t happen–at the very LEAST Sean Penn is an asshole with with a temper-that’s him at his best. But I guess because it was the ’80s, and that it was sort of hushed up–that the only online record of it would be from that book.

        Because to be honest, I was a little skeptical when I first read about him torturing Madonna (from a comment)–I’d never really heard anything about Sean Penn, other than thinking that he was a great actor, and had great charisma. So I looked it up, and found a passage from the book (on google) that described it. That, and coupled with other things make me believe its true.

        I just hope his son doesn’t turn out like that.

      • Jayna says:

        From what I remember, she was taken or did go to the police station very shaken. She was such a mess, they didn’t even recognize her at first. He was just beginning his career and doing good and she didn’t want to destroy his career so didn’t press charges.

      • Mel says:

        Actually the lead in the 50 shades movie is Dakota Johnson, Don Johnson and Melanie Grifiths daughter.

    • Penny says:

      Mel, you are right. My circuits crossed for minute. I guess because of the parallels: vague resemblance, both being 2nd gen Hollywood and debuting on gossip sites at the same time…Dylan for allegedly dating RPatz, which I highly doubt; Dakota as you verified for 50 Shades…

      Virgilia & Jayna, it seems Madonna followed a known pathway of battered women – protecting the victimizer despite the harm caused to the victim. I guess that only points more to the truth of the situation. She was probably just satisfied to get out and put it all in her rear view mirror. I bet it’s a lot easier to discuss the assault of a random perp than a partner or family member. Things that hit closer to home oftentimes are harder to face. This is why she will discuss the rape before her marriage to Sean.

      • Jayna says:

        She left Sean loving him, but knowing she needed to leave after that incident. So that’s kind of where her love stayed, an abrupt ending still madly in love. She has always admitted he was the love of her life. So she will never bash him to the media.

  16. Aud says:

    In and amongst what SHE does, it’s always her ego.
    It seems as though all the female divas are currently trying to outdo each other in the flesh stakes. It’s a case of who can be the most revealing [in various forms].
    Daring in today’s music industry, for female singers, is synonymous with slutty and desperate [we all know where boobs and vaginas are, we don’t need it pointed out thank you very much: Rihanna, Miley, Madonna, etc].
    It’s unfortunate, but it is what it is: a barometer for how crap the music really is.
    It’s reached the point where the amount of crotch grabbing/thrusting is a universal indicator of how rubbish a song is.

    • Leila in Wunderland says:

      Yippee, more slut-shaming. Female nudity is so sinful and wrong.

      Maybe if society was more TOLERANT of nudity and female sexuality, Madonna, Rihanna, Miley, Christina, and Beyoncé wouldn’t feel that they were being fierce, daring, and shocking?

      As long as nudity and revealing costumes are seen as bad, and women are called sluts for posing nude, dressing sexy, having lots of sex, e.t.c., there will be female artists who feel the need to push boundaries in that way. Once we abandon our puritanical routes and, sorry, religious patriarchy-based attitudes about women, sex, and the human body, it won’t all be seen as daring and feminist, because slut-shaming, the sexual double standard, and pearl-clutching prudery will be a thing of the past.

      • MavenTheFirst says:

        Bang that drum!

        Seriously, sounds like personal modesty is the new sin in the radical brave new world without boundaries touted here.

      • Mirna says:

        Meh – it’s not being “prudish” to want someone to cover their labia while yodeling a song. Seems the less talent they have, the more naked they get.

      • joy says:

        I honestly have just started skipping over your comments, Leila. We get it, slut shaming is bad. The scolding and lectures anytime someone makes a comment about the scantily clad is getting tedious. Really, really tedious. Do you ever have anything else to offer to these discussions?

    • Butterfly J says:

      I agree. The word slut is negative… but appropriate in the context of your comment. Positive sexual references are usually words like sexy, sensual, coquettish. The word slutty appropriately describes desperate, vulgar, in your face music videos and antics. Maybe it is time for us to stop yelling at each other SLUT SHAMER, and instead ask why slutty behaviour is the norm? I think feminism requires us to decry the industry that reduces women to sex objects, each trying to out scandal the other. Women deserve better than that.

      • Mirna says:

        This! Thank you. It’s ridiculous to try to shame people for pointing out the vulgarity with which a lot of these young ladies carry themselves. The male artists are not doing that. I didn’t see Robin Thicke writhing naked, just Miley. It’s not empowering to degrade one’s self; nor is it slut shaming to notice said degradation.

      • Sloane Wyatt says:

        “Maybe it is time for us to stop yelling at each other SLUT SHAMER, and instead ask why slutty behaviour is the norm?” ButterflyJ, I would ask why don’t we attack patriarchy instead of attacking each other??? This crazy video begs my question way better than I do. 🙂 – http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/21/all-india-bakchod-its-your-fault_n_3968264.html

        I think it takes women to keep men on their pedestals. Perhaps we are loath to look at male behavior through a lens that might demote them; after all, we still have to live with the guys and prefer ones with robust egos. But do we really need women to blame women for male promiscuity when evolutionary psychologists are working overtime to justify male swinishness in the name of Darwinism? Instead of not holding men accountable or buying the view that male philandering with ever younger women is some kind of adaptive evolutionary device, perhaps we might interpret it (as have some female scientists) as the aging male’s desperate attempt to stimulate potency via younger flesh in more dangerous situations. By placing the entire burden on women, it is not feminists, but the women who are buying, perhaps unwittingly, into the same old double standards who let men off the hook. – http://observer.com/1999/03/the-new-retrochicks-let-men-off-the-hook/

      • Tara says:

        Ita. Boundaries and standards arent inherently a symbol misogynistic, patriarchal repression. Some shit just boils down to self-respect. And yes, a woman can have sex with five guys at once in the middle of Times Square and not be a slut or a whore as long as she is the architect of the experience.

        So no one can call me a pearl clutcher because I think that females carelessly twisting the conversation about gender, sexuality, patronage and expression do no one any favors. No one has the monopoly on defining vulgarity but when sexual themes are hijacked and used in a way that divorces the message from the mode then sex becomes a weapon instead of a tool.

        So no, not everything is slut shaming. I hope I didnt just slut shame slut shaming…

    • Leila in Wunderland says:

      There’s nothing wrong with modesty- as long as it’s something that a person chose, rather than something that they’ve been taught protects them from harm and makes them a better person- and there’s nothing wrong with immodesty or nudity, as long as it’s something a person chooses, rather than believing that their sex appeal/attractiveness is they’re worth or that they somehow have to do it.

      The word ‘degrade’ means to lower in value. Everyone has different opinions and attitudes about clothing and nudity. Some women prefer modest clothing and would feel lowered in value as a person by going nude or wearing revealing clothes. Others like risqué clothes/costumes, like nudity, do not feel that those things lower them in value as a person, and find the idea of being put on a dress code repugnant. And some women are somewhere in between.

      What’s most important is that we don’t impose our own personal feelings about nudity and clothing on other women. Just because we would feel restricted, stifled, or repressed by one woman’s choices, or degraded and vulgar by another’s, doesn’t mean we have the right to tell anyone else what to do or how they have to feel about what they’re doing.

  17. MrsBPitt says:

    wow…narcissistic much!!! so daring for the gazillionaire to move to England, when she could hire a private jet and be back in New York in the blink of an eye…and she could have left out the part about not having any friends before she was famous and everyone was kissing her ass, somehow, I already knew that part! One word, Madonna, RETIRE!

    • *Laowai* says:

      I sort of laughed out loud at the self-congratulatoryness of it all at that point.

      “I was so bold! And daring! I moved….to England! I’m having a real foreign experience! I faced down some real challenges! Real pub talk challenges…just not, you know, foreign language barrier ones…”

      Even she seemed somewhat aware of how silly she sounded at that point. I mean…the absurd overemphasis how ‘daring’ this move was…makes her seem quite dull and bland.

  18. ol cranky says:

    am I the only one who finds it suspect that the raped at knifepoint story suddenly shows up now when she doesn’t really have anything to shock us and isn’t the center of the universe that she once was? Many of her actions and stories (especially that sex book) would have made me question the mental health/emotional stability of anyone but Madonna but Madonna is mercenary and a brilliant “Marketeer” so I just find her to have no credibility with this story

    • Mitch Buchanan Rocks! says:

      Madonna has become a mix of Leann Rimes-Rihanna and Miley Cyrus levels of creepiness. I’m surprised she has sunk to this for getting attention.

    • fingerbinger says:

      This story didn’t just “show up”. I read about this 10 years. So you’re wrong on that account.

    • MavenTheFirst says:

      Yes, yes, yes! Madonna needs to stay relevant. She comes across like a drama queen. The rape is enumerated so casually. No one has had it as hard as her.

    • Decloo says:

      I find it strange that she did not report the rape to police. I get that rape victims may be traumatized but shouldn’t one get the word out to the public that there’s a dangerous predator in the area?

      • Nono says:

        This was New York in the ’70s. Everyone knew there was danger in the neighbourhood, because there was danger in every neighbourhood. Read up on New York’s 20th century history. It’s changed a lot over the past three decades.

      • Decloo says:

        To Nono: I grew up in New York in the 70s and, yes, it was much grittier than it is now, but that doesn’t mean that serious crimes such as rape were not regularly reported. Quality of life crimes such as turnstile-jumping and graffiti were no big deal but rape, like murder is a serious problem for society.

      • Leen says:

        Decloo, a lot of rapes and sexual assaults go unreported. Actually, the majority of rape and sexual assault cases are not reported to the police. Even more worringly, only 25% of the rapes/sexual assaults reported ever result in arrest. So I don’t think that’s any indicative of whether it happened or not.

    • Jayna says:

      The rape incident isn’t a new revelation. It’s been known of and discussed in documentaries on her and books about her from as far back as the early ’90s, maybe earlier. She was forced to perform fellatio on a man at knifepoint in the rough neighborhood she lived in.

  19. Tammy says:

    It does take a lot of guts to pursue your dreams & still pursue them after what Madonna went through before she made it. She was extremely determined & when others would have ended up broken and disturbed, she survived. She was raped, robbed, she rummaged through garbage cans to eat & basically did whatever she had to do to survive. I give her a lot of credit. Some of you are just ridiculous in your criticisms of Madonna.

    • Danskins says:

      Agree – based on some of the article comments (e.g., Madonna is a slut, she faked the rape story for more publicity – wow, really?) the way women downplay other successful women is just ridiculous. We are our own toughest critics and worst enemies of each other.

    • Nev says:

      Awesome post.

      Madonna can and will do whatever she wants. And always has. That’s admirable. No apologies.

    • Sloane Wyatt says:

      She is gutsy, determined, and a survivor, no question. Maybe we expect more from Madonna because she IS so strong, Tammy?

      I mean, who better than Madonna to assume the mantle of agent provocateur against the tedious canard of older women as dried up, sexless grandmothers? By eschewing massive photo shopping and fruitless plastic surgeries, she’d be so much better off to cultivate self-acceptance instead and overturn the moldy cannons of polite society. C’mon, Madonna throw off the chains of illusion!

      *In no way do I mean to demean plastic surgery as a lifestyle choice, I just personally would love to see see more real faces on our maturing celebrities. I also do not think it’s unhealthy or less than to lift your face or inject Botox, but in Madonna’s case, she seems to be chasing the sweet bird of youth pretty hard.

  20. Blondie says:

    She doesn’t even look like Madonna anymore.

  21. I love her music, and I always thought she was beautiful. I don’t really care about the rest of it. I’m surrounded by ‘daring’ people every day.

  22. Mandy says:

    I really used to love Madonna SO MUCH. She USED to be awesome and “daring”. These days she is just so try hard and comes off looking like an idiot.

  23. It'sJustBlanche says:

    I’m not a fan at all. Never liked her music, always thought she was full of crap, but this interview doesn’t bother me. People want to hear Madonna being Madonna and whether you like her or not (and again, I don’t) she’s pretty damn amazing. Well, especially when you consider she really can’t sing.

  24. nicegirl says:

    Not to be too picky, but I think she IS wearing her GRILLZ in some of the pics

  25. Anna says:

    What is she promoting? Herself? I stopped reading the post a few lines in. I do love a good sword though..

  26. Nan209 says:

    What a narcissistic bore.

  27. GoodNamesAllTaken says:

    Wow. That made me throw up a little. It was daring for her to move to another country? To adopt? I mean, yes, I suppose it is but it’s hardly like she was the only person to ever do either. She takes herself sooo seriously.

    • Jayna says:

      I think what she meant was in life you should always be pushing forward, changing, not stuck. Moving to a different country is hard and lonely at times. She uses the word daring, which is too dramatic, but really it’s about new life experiences and ever-changing and evolving, not being afraid to take risks or to open your heart to new things. I do think Madonna is a great mom and takes it seriously. Madonna just has to say it in a pretentious way LOL, but I got the essence of you article.

  28. Uncle Charlie says:

    I miss the early Madonna days when she was promoting “Borderline” and lypsyncing to it while stoned out of her mind at the Pyramid club in New York. Many a night we saw her literally fall off the stage because she was so drunk.

    But you know what? You’ve got to give her credit for breaking the rules and being an amazing marketer. All these years later, talented or not, she still gets everyone’s panties in a twist. You’ve gotta let her go, or hang on for the ride and stop bitch’n about her.

  29. Jayna says:

    The rape isn’t new news. It’s been in documentaries from 23 years ago on her early life in New York. I love the photos. They are absolutely gorgeous.

    Regarding the first-person article, Madonna is narcissistic and it always comes across these days more than years ago, sadly. I guess she’s replacing “daring” in this article for her usual word, “ironic.” As much as she bores me these days, her legacy is intact. She has accomplished so much throughout her career that the poptarts can only dream of and never even come close, and I will always be a fan of that Madonna before the MDNA era hit. But I am in awe of most incarnations of Madonna and her legacy. Whether I loved her or disliked her at times, I was always intrigued by her and always loved her music and performances.

    She needs to take the cool factor vibe from Cher who is amazing in interviews these days and see how it’s done and still not conventional. Still Madonna is an icon and always will be.

  30. Sugarrbunny says:

    I read her brother Christopher’s book. He managed her Blonde Ambition Tour. Not a v nice portrait of an “artist”

  31. Homegrrl says:

    These stars/celebs are fascinating on a “visual” level, but most don’t have an education. So of course, the vernacular of a valley girl.
    It’s kind of easy to get educated these days. Everything is online and might really improve the bent of our society;
    these people are the modern avatars and advertising is the bible of the masses. Can we force a-listers to get a degree?? Might help the world

    • Chianti says:

      A degree does not guarantee that someone is educated or smart. There are plenty of educated idiots running around. I’m sure Madonna is smarter than most of them.

  32. The Original Original says:

    I know theres a ton of photoshop going on but I actually think she looks really beautiful in these pictures. I dont think her face looks jacked like it usually does and she looks youthful and I like the clothing. I wouldnt have pegged this for Uncle Terry. Its not porny enough.

    • Jayna says:

      I agree, and she looks like a woman on the cover, not abnormally young. Most of the young stars or others her age get tons of photoshop, too, so why should she be any different. I think the photos are gorgeous.

  33. s says:

    holy photoshop, batman.

  34. Bea says:

    Madonna is becoming Oprah – if it happens to anyone, it happens to them.

    • bluecalling says:

      You are being obtuse. They had really bad things happen to them, things that happen to many women, but because they are still at the level they are inspite of it we should dismiss their experience? You slay me.

  35. Cool Phosphorescent Shimmer says:

    Greatest thing Madonna has ever said:

    “the sight of her mustache consoled me.”

  36. Lindy says:

    Now it would be ‘daring’ of her to age naturally.

    She was a front-runner in so many things during the 80s and 90s….why not accept her changing face and body and show others how it’s done?

    What is she afraid of? She has plenty of money and her place in pop history is secure.

  37. GreenTurtle says:

    I kind of love the photo with the sword. //ducks//.

  38. Santolina says:

    She needs to pull her head out of her a$$ and do something with those millions to help people like rape victims or disadvantaged young women or, heck, even the daring-impaired.

  39. Eleonor says:

    About the narcissism: you don’t get where she is without an ego like that.
    All celebrities have a huge ego: Beyoncè is like that, actresses and actors are like that. I don’t know why she is the one who’s bashed.

  40. Adam says:

    God, yes, how DARE Madonna write about herself in an article she was asked to write about herself. What a slut/bitch/loser/narcissist!

    The author of this article, and most of the commenters, seem like dicks.

    • Angie says:

      Agreed. I don’t know what’s been happening in the world the last few years but it sure does feel like regression. An assertive, sexually charged, aging woman, who makes choices about her own body we don’t all agree with. Narcissistic, graceless old slut! And to even have the audacity to question her rape.

      Women are failing them selves in a big way these days. Bigger than I think they realise. And for what? To feel better about your own choices? That’s the thing, it’s okay for all women to make the choices they will make. That’s the goal. There doesn’t HAVE to be a right or a wrong choice. Madonna has said herself she is an egomaniac. SO. WHAT.

  41. Faithmobile says:

    There is ego and there is narcissism, which is a personality dissorder. we love to hate successful narcissists like Madonna, they make great gossip fodder because it is impossible for them to be self aware beyond the superficial. The word narcassim gets bandied about as if it were synonymous with self centered when clinically it’s an inability to empathize with others and is impossible to cure. We can appreciate the products that these sick people create but the danger is when we idolize them because they are superficial human beings without an ounce of morality and compassion.

  42. Az says:

    Dear Madonna,

    You know what would actually be daring? Letting yourself age naturally.

    Best of luck!

    Az

  43. JaNIL says:

    Very photoshopped!

  44. LMS says:

    I really, really want to see the pre-Photoshop versions of those photos. Be daring, Madonna, show us how you really look!

  45. Patti Nichols says:

    I love the pictures! Photoshopped yes, but I love the outfits. Pretty cool.

  46. Jane says:

    Leave it to Mage to be all upset that she is not the center of the universe and continue to take over the world like she said on American Bandstand so many years ago. She noticed that Miley, Katy and Rhianna are stealing her thunder, so she is getting all edgy to make a spectacle out of herself and get noticed.

  47. Flim says:

    But… that chain mail-inspired head/face piece is awesome. I’ll rock that for the apocalypse!

  48. tessy says:

    Ick. Her t*ts are pushed up to her thyroid, I just hope she doesn’t pop an implant from the pressure. How anyone could think that all that constant S&M posing is sexy is beyond me. Unless pervs are her target audience.

  49. rudy says:

    From what I read, Madonna did NOT come thru with what she promised for Malawi. She may have been an innovator,etc., but I am less than impressed with her adoption tactics.

    And why do I never ever see her holding hands with David or Mercy. Maybe once or twice but those kids are always walking with other people.

  50. bijlee says:

    …terry richardson just needs to burn in hell already. disgusting creep. madonna MAJOR SIDE EYE WTF???

  51. Evie Rose says:

    These pictures are photoshopped within an inch of their life! My god, the entire article was basically: me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, I’m building another school in Malawi. . . not because I care about helping underprivileged children but because it feeds my narcissism. . . .

  52. Caz says:

    We’ve heard everything Madonna has to say by now…not interested. She reinvents everything anyway and NEVER discusses the people she used and took advantage of to get her where she is.

    I seriously doubt she took solace looking at Frida Kahlo’s moustache…eye roll.

  53. Mabs says:

    So as I’m reading the above excerpt, I’m wondering which accent of hers everyone’s hearing…lol

  54. St says:

    Whatever. Madonna outlived every single pop star. Even Gaga slowly is fading away. She is bitch. But we still love her. I wish she would release some hit single. I think she can afford to buy herself good song. If stupid Miley could buy Wrecking Ball.

  55. Deedles says:

    Whoa – very sad. The lengths this woman will go to to try to remain relevant are staggering. She crowned her successor in Britney and that didn’t quite turn out the way she wanted it to so shall we look forward to something more daring with Miley soon? Sorry Madge but you’ve just steadily gotten more gross (daring) since 1992 when you published your coffee table book.

  56. Moi says:

    All Leo’s are narcissistic. I should know, I am a leo. It’s in our make up. It doesn’t mean that Leo’s are not caring and loving, we just have to either make a conscious effort not to be narcissistic, or not give a damn. Which is very daring. lol

  57. Emmie says:

    I remember when her documentary came out how shocked I was at her giggling when a dancer was upset about being date raped. I have no sympathy for this hag and wish she would disappear.