Maker of 2003 Grindhouse film says he sent it to Tarantino, was ripped off


Independent filmmaker Stephen Tramontana says he made a low budget film called Grindhouse on weekends in 2002 and 2003 on a budget of just $4,000. It was shown at independent movie festivals and won best horror film at the New York International Film and Video Festival, along with receiving good writeups in industry magazines. The original Grindhouse creator says he was with a producer friend at the Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back after party when he approached Tarantino and told him about the film before they were about to make it. Tarantino was friendly but said he wasn’t insterested in seeing it when it was done.

Once the film was shot, Taramontana Fedexed the DVD and a poster to Tarantino’s office. He didn’t hear back from him, but he knows he received it.

Then the creator of the original Grindhouse says he read in Variety in 2005 that Tarantino was making a movie called Grindhouse with Robert Rodriguez.

On his website detailing the way Tarantino ripped him off, he says he doesn’t want money or publicity for his project, just an acknowledgment from Tarantino that it was his idea to make a Grindhouse film. Tarantino didn’t steal his story, he says, but he blantatly jacked their concept and they want him to admit it.

Taramonta even copyrighted the Grindhouse title shortly after making the film, and was told that if he wanted to do anything about the fact that Tarantino was using it, he had to take them to court:

Cut to 2005. I was now working for a production company as a Post Coordinator. I picked up an issue of the trade publication Variety, announcing: Tarantino was making a film called GRINDHOUSE. Not our Grindhouse, something he was teaming up with Robert Rodriguez on.

I was heartbroken. One of my heroes had ripped us off. And it wasn’t like we were anybody. We were nobodies, trying to get ahead with our tiny film like he had almost a decade before. I had our entertainment attorney call Dimension Films, where Tarantino was setting the film up. I tried to stop them from using the title Grindhouse because I own it. I am the only person with the title Grindhouse registered with the copyright office. Dimension came back and said that Tarantino’s was called Death Proof, not Grindhouse. Yes, we retorted, but you’re not releasing it as Death Proof, you’re releasing it as Grindhouse. They came back with, essentially, take us to court and see what happens to you. I didn’t want to take them to court; I wanted them not to use the title.

It sucks, because now I’m that guy. I’m that guy stating that a big Hollywood player ripped off my idea. We all know how that looks. But, a. I made the movie – anyone can see it. and b. he’s constantly referenced the day in 2003 when he got the idea to make a movie called Grindhouse. My bet is that it was the day he opened my Fed Ex. Maybe he didn’t even watch the movie, but he had to have seen the poster, and maybe that was all it took…

What people don’t realize is that this isn’t about money. This isn’t about getting our film “out there.” Trust me, we never thought this film, in this version, was going to be a launch. We hoped that someone would see it and maybe give us more money to remake it with a decent budget.

This is about standing up for yourself. This man has a history of outright stealing shit and it’s time for someone to just call him out on it and not waiver. And those who are so offended that I would have the audacity to call out Tarantino on such flimsy evidence, I say I really don’t care. A thief is a thief, famous or no. I don’t believe anyone in the history of Hollywood has successfully proved theft of ideas. So, I didn’t honestly expect this to go any better. That being said, unless you’re completely uneducated about his career history, he is known for being a complete thief who writes great dialogue. But stop stealing shit, calling it referential, putting good music to it, and making everybody worship you for it.

Filmwad says “If Tarantino’s/Rodriguez’s movie is better, then it really doesn’t matter who originally conceptualized it. History is full of credit given based on the improvement upon the ideas of others, and many times it’s only the improved idea that ends up being noteworthy.” That’s a little too Machiavellian for me. If I came up with a move called Grindhouse and mailed it to a director and then he came out with a movie called Grindhouse a few years later I’d be crying foul too.

Tramontana says that a lot of hard work and money went into the new Grindhouse movie and it’s undoubtedly better than his version. It’s bombing at the box office, though, which should be some consolation. Procuders are considering re-releasing it as two separate films as moviegoers are thought to be daunted by the over three hours running time.

Here’s the trailer for the “Real Grindhouse”

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  1. Kolby says:

    I’m not as daunted by the long running time as I am by the fact that Grindhouse (Tarantino & Rodriguez’s version) looks terrible. Every critic on the planet is tripping over him/herself to kiss this movie’s ass, but I think the movie just looks like crap. There’s a reason why B-horror movies aren’t successful, the stories are sub-par and the acting is often wretched. Why would anyone pay good money to sit through 3 hours of an homage to a type of cinema that died, and good reason, in the 70s?

  2. Kolby says:

    I’m not as daunted by the long running time as I am by the fact that Grindhouse (Tarantino & Rodriguez’s version) looks terrible. Every critic on the planet is tripping over him/herself to kiss this movie’s ass, but I think the movie just looks like crap. There’s a reason why B-horror movies aren’t successful, the stories are sub-par and the acting is often wretched. Why would anyone pay good money to sit through 3 hours of an homage to a type of cinema that died, and good reason, in the 70s?

  3. Nina says:

    Totally unsurprised, Tarantino has been known to “borrow”

  4. Nina says:

    Totally unsurprised, Tarantino has been known to “borrow”

  5. Sun says:

    Bullshit.

    Tarantino went to grindhouses from his teenager time on. A grindhouse is a sloppy cinema, and he loves that style of these theaters. That’s where he got his idea from. BOTH Tarantino and this guy “stole” their idea from the grindhouses of the 70’s.

    It’s like writing a book about Goethe and some other guy writes one too and then you say he ripped you off. Bullshit. Everyone can make a homage to grindhouse cinema.

  6. Sun says:

    Bullshit.

    Tarantino went to grindhouses from his teenager time on. A grindhouse is a sloppy cinema, and he loves that style of these theaters. That’s where he got his idea from. BOTH Tarantino and this guy “stole” their idea from the grindhouses of the 70’s.

    It’s like writing a book about Goethe and some other guy writes one too and then you say he ripped you off. Bullshit. Everyone can make a homage to grindhouse cinema.

  7. I’m so pleased that everyone is celebrating the so-called bombing of Grindhouse. While it didn’t meet the projected expectations of the Weinstein company, $11.6 million isn’t anything to scoff at. It certainly did better than Hilary Swank’s piece of crap movie.

  8. I’m so pleased that everyone is celebrating the so-called bombing of Grindhouse. While it didn’t meet the projected expectations of the Weinstein company, $11.6 million isn’t anything to scoff at. It certainly did better than Hilary Swank’s piece of crap movie.

  9. Carol says:

    Tis true Sun, it’s not like either one of them made up the title – it’s the name of a genre. The movies are supposed to be bad, that’s part of their “charm”. Tarentino said in an interview the other day there’s a bit of story missing in his movie because grindhouse movies were often missing reels and thus chunks of the storyline. The missing part is where the explanation of how the machine gun leg works would have been, pretty convenient section to not have to write.

  10. Carol says:

    Tis true Sun, it’s not like either one of them made up the title – it’s the name of a genre. The movies are supposed to be bad, that’s part of their “charm”. Tarentino said in an interview the other day there’s a bit of story missing in his movie because grindhouse movies were often missing reels and thus chunks of the storyline. The missing part is where the explanation of how the machine gun leg works would have been, pretty convenient section to not have to write.

  11. Sun says:

    Exatly, Carol.

    Especially when you consider that this guy even sais by himself that Quentin didn’t steal his story. The 2003 and the 2007 Grindhouse movie don’t have anything in common – expect of the title. And that title is 40 years old.

    So I really don’t see why Stephen Tramontana is complaining.

    Look here at an interview with Quentin and Robert about how they came up with the idea:

    http://www.joblo.com/index.php?id=15174

    (Quentin introduced Robert with Grindhouse 12 years ago. Three years ago Robert came up with the idea of doing a Double Feature together with Quentin cause Robert wanted to do something contrary to the kids movies.)

  12. Sun says:

    Exatly, Carol.

    Especially when you consider that this guy even sais by himself that Quentin didn’t steal his story. The 2003 and the 2007 Grindhouse movie don’t have anything in common – expect of the title. And that title is 40 years old.

    So I really don’t see why Stephen Tramontana is complaining.

    Look here at an interview with Quentin and Robert about how they came up with the idea:

    http://www.joblo.com/index.php?id=15174

    (Quentin introduced Robert with Grindhouse 12 years ago. Three years ago Robert came up with the idea of doing a Double Feature together with Quentin cause Robert wanted to do something contrary to the kids movies.)

  13. MaiGirl says:

    I’m a little partial to Tremontana’s argument because I saw Kill Bill, loved it, and thought it was brilliant and creative….until I saw Lady Snowblood, the film that Tarantino “borrowed” from to make it. Not only was he “inspired” by the film’s style, he “borrowed” camera angles, animation narrative, villain types, etc. Some of the “borrowing” is shot-for-shot. I’m not saying that Tarantino isn’t talented, and an argument could be made that having the acumen to imitate quality films is it’s own type of skill, but it does beg the question when inspiration becomes outright stealing. I don’t know, but it is a valid question when so little of what Tarantino does is truly original. And I also have problems with self-described geniuses. No one is more impressed with Tarantino that Tarantino.

  14. MaiGirl says:

    I’m a little partial to Tremontana’s argument because I saw Kill Bill, loved it, and thought it was brilliant and creative….until I saw Lady Snowblood, the film that Tarantino “borrowed” from to make it. Not only was he “inspired” by the film’s style, he “borrowed” camera angles, animation narrative, villain types, etc. Some of the “borrowing” is shot-for-shot. I’m not saying that Tarantino isn’t talented, and an argument could be made that having the acumen to imitate quality films is it’s own type of skill, but it does beg the question when inspiration becomes outright stealing. I don’t know, but it is a valid question when so little of what Tarantino does is truly original. And I also have problems with self-described geniuses. No one is more impressed with Tarantino that Tarantino.

  15. Steve says:

    He’s making a lot more of it than the situation seems to merit.

    Tarantino used the same title for a totally different story. But it’s a one-word title of an old term.

    There’s a lot worse plagiarism in Hollywood. WTF does the guy want, for Tarantino to say “Nice title, kid.”?

    He cries about how Tarantino copies stuff for other movies. So why the hell would you send him a copy of your movie, especially since he expressed no interest in seeing it in the first place?

  16. Steve says:

    He’s making a lot more of it than the situation seems to merit.

    Tarantino used the same title for a totally different story. But it’s a one-word title of an old term.

    There’s a lot worse plagiarism in Hollywood. WTF does the guy want, for Tarantino to say “Nice title, kid.”?

    He cries about how Tarantino copies stuff for other movies. So why the hell would you send him a copy of your movie, especially since he expressed no interest in seeing it in the first place?

  17. Viv says:

    I’m glad they’re separating the film into two. I was really looking forward to them but I’m boycotting Rodriguez’s just because I think he’s a shady pos for what he did to his wife. Now this comes up… damn. I’ll just have to wait until DVD release I guess.

  18. Viv says:

    I’m glad they’re separating the film into two. I was really looking forward to them but I’m boycotting Rodriguez’s just because I think he’s a shady pos for what he did to his wife. Now this comes up… damn. I’ll just have to wait until DVD release I guess.