Nicole Kidman would ‘much rather have a family’ than all the awards & accolades

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Nicole Kidman is the cover girl of the newest issue of The Edit, net-a-porter.com’s in-house magazine. I usually like The Edit’s editorials and this one is… okay. If I’m being honest, I’ll say that I think it took a mountain of Botox, fairy dust and Photoshop to make Nicole Kidman look like a hard 39. I always try to convince myself that Nicole occasionally eases up on the ‘Tox and fillers but this editorial just shows that at the age of 47, Nicole still wants to play 33. You can read the full interview here and here are some highlights:

Nicole on her life in Nashville with Keith & their kids: “We watch America’s Funniest Home Videos and reruns of The Brady Bunch, that’s very much our life.”

Her emotions were intense as a child: “I loved getting lost in characters and a lot of that was to do with not being comfortable with who I was, so [I created] a fantasy life. I had intense feelings as a child; I used to cry when my mother would go and play bridge. I’d be crying in bed, waiting for her to come home. My depth of emotion was powerful.”

On bad reviews: “When [reactions are] amazing I’m up front and center; when they’re bad I’m up front and center. I like to push it, test how far I can go with things. Not for the sake of just being provocative, but for the sake of not conforming and saying, ‘There’s not necessarily a right and a wrong here, there’s a gray.’ Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t, but I say to myself, ‘Okay, just keep trying stuff.’”

She’s tired of actors famous for being famous: “The way in which actors are defined is so different now. So much of it is by their clothes and how they look and all of the celebrity that surrounds that, whereas it used to be you went to drama school and you were trained as an actor.”

How she decides what projects to do: “Ultimately I ask Keith, ‘Is this a possibility to do?’ It may sound old-fashioned, but I want the family to work. And I feel pain when I’m away; I literally feel a yearning and a pain…I’m on the cusp of Gemini and Cancer and my husband says to me, ‘You’ve become more Cancer – you’re all about the family now.’”

Work/family decisions: “For actresses, if you’re in a relationship, there’s an enormous amount of give and take, particularly when you get pregnant. They say your art gets affected when you have a family, but I’d much rather have a family. Having experienced the greatest awards and accolades, the idea of being alone with that doesn’t work for me. It may for somebody else, but it’s not for me.”

Late in life love: “Keith always says, ‘We’re lucky we met late in life. The sadness of that is we can’t have six kids together, but the greatness of that is [we are done] with all the other stuff, so now we are totally present for this.’ That’s a great thing to hear from a man,” says Kidman. At his concert on their wedding anniversary in Australia earlier this year, Urban dedicated a song to his wife with the words, ‘Eight years, baby girl. This song is for you. I love you so much.’ Even her friends, she says, were jealous of that one. “I had two girlfriends sitting with me and they were like, ‘Bitch!’” Kidman laughs. “I went, ‘Hey! I’ve been to hell and back!’”

The hell of being married to Tom Cruise? “Now I have the ability to go, ‘Okay, this too shall pass.’ Sometimes you’ve just got to navigate through pain and depression. Maybe you have a down day, but life is contrast. I’d rather feel it and know it.”

On giving birth: “Giving birth is just whoa! What I remember the most is the cry. When the baby is born the cry penetrates on such a deep level and Keith says that too. He goes, ‘what about that cry!’ And we actually did record our birth. So we’ve heard it back. And every time it jolts me back into the moment.”

[From The Edit]

This was one of the best Kidman interviews I’ve read in a while. For most of “the Keith years,” she’s been less direct in interviews, more touchy-feely and New Age-speak. I think she’s probably pretty New Age-y in real life too – I got a kick out of her talking about the Gemini-Cancer cusp. I also got a kick out of Nicole describing her “depth of emotion” as a child and how she got to a point where she didn’t want to be alone. Eh. Let her have it. I’m fine with this version of Nicole, I just wish she had a more natural face.

Oh, and as for the childbirth stuff… that’s so old-school. The controversy about Nicole’s pregnancy and birth of Sunday Rose was pre-Beyonce-pillow. I still don’t know if I believe that Nicole faked that pregnancy. Hm.

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Photos courtesy of The Edit.

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  1. We Are All Made of Stars says:

    Okay I was going to post “and who’s the next BS artist who would like to tell us that” but it was actually a very nice interview.

    • TheOriginalKitten says:

      Aw, I really liked her interview too. I love Kidman, ‘Tox face and all, I can’t help it.

      Also, I agree with Kaiser about the Photoshop but I LOVE these photos of her-the pink coat and the (please be fake) fur coat photo as well.

      Maybe I’m just blinded by my fandom. She’s one of my all-time favorite actresses.

      • Wilma says:

        Totally agree! Have loved her as an actress for a long time! So she’s the sensitive and artistic type that in real life makes me want to punch people, I don’t care because I love so many of her films.

      • Ag says:

        i agree too. she’s one of my fave actresses, and i’ve always had a soft spot for her, esp. after all the tom cruise sh*t she went through. love the pink coat pic.

      • Liv says:

        I have a soft spot for her too. I think besides the botox or whatever it is she does, she’s a very nice and humble person. Wish her the best.

      • Virgilia Coriolanus says:

        I think I’m one of the few who thinks she looks good with her face. I think at some angles, she’s gone overboard, but the majority of the time I think she looks like a goddess. She is the perfect example of someone who is averagely pretty, yet stunning at the same time. Like C. Cox.

      • ya says:

        I’ve always liked Nicole too… I feel like she is one of the last ‘old-school’ stars – with all of the artifice that accompanies that.

        Her botox kind of reminds me of Marlene’s homemade needle and thread facelifts.

      • Ange says:

        She seems an ok person but I’ve never been able to tolerate her as an actress. She’s one of those who emotes by breathing and gasping, I find it super annoying.

  2. Jackson says:

    I must be one of the few people who still thinks she looks great. Maybe I just don’t think ’47′ has to look a certain way. Love the clothing in the shoot as well.

    • TheOriginalKitten says:

      I said the same above.
      I want that pink coat!

    • Sabrine says:

      This is such BS. She has always put her career before her family. It’s one movie to the next.

      • tracking says:

        Sure, but she’s really just saying she doesn’t to end up alone, not expressing a desire to be a SAHM. She doesn’t have to choose.

      • andypandy says:

        Well Its called her job!
        Women don’t have to give up their job at the bank or Wal-Mart or wherever just cuz they have a family (at least her career gives her some flexibility )

  3. Jenns says:

    I always liked Nicole. I just wish she would stop with the Botox. She doesn’t need it. She never needed it.

    • don't kill me i'm french says:

      +1,000
      She said she hated to get old on the screen

    • nora says:

      this is a wonderful actress, and in some movies it is boulervante; for me it is over Cate Blanchett (I’m going to get killed) after it’s all over with botox she abyss but I think it’s a much more fragile and complex woman than you think

  4. Abbott says:

    Kidman’s pregnancy belly was always growing and magically receding through the whole thing faster than Leonardo DiCaprio’s vacation bloat face.

    • Belle Epoch says:

      I actually never knew there was a Belly Controversy, but when she said “giving birth is just whoa” my lie detector went off. She might be the least articulate mother on Earth, but that seems unlikely. I have never hear a mother refer to childbirth as “just whoa.” Obviously she doesn’t have a clue. It’s like Katie Holmes saying 10 million times that meeting Tom Cruise was “amazing.” Or the 40 year old virgin line about breasts being like bags of sand! When you have no idea what you’re talking about, it shows.

    • Jayna says:

      Eye roll to the conspiracy theory.

      • Josephine says:

        Thank you. I’ve had three kids, and the bump does change and move around. And for goodness sake, even if she faked it, who the hell cares? That’s sad for Nicole to think she needed to, but it doesn’t affect the rest of us.

        And are we really going to judge her for saying “just, whoa” about the birth of her child?

    • don't kill me i'm french says:

      I’m nurse and i know some women who didn’t look pregnant even at the end of the pregnancy.Some were unhappy of her pregnancy for some reasons ( they wanted to work until the end,the partner didn’t know,the partner was dead,she was sick….) or some even didn’t know they’re pregnant( deny of pregnancy) or some hide it

      • Mel says:

        My mother was (almost) like that. On photos of her two weeks before my birth she barely looks pregnant at all. She gained 11 kilos in total, which her doctor told her was the “ideal” pregnancy weight gain. (And she wasn’t overweight – or very thin – before.)

        Also, according to her, giving birth really was “no big deal, not terribly painful at all”.
        True, she is no pansy, but I don’t really see any reason for her to say it like that if it wasn’t basically true.

  5. Hawkeye says:

    I have a huge soft spot for her. I know there are sometimes stories floating around about how she was aloof and cool on sets, but to me she comes across as shy and introverted, not snobby or superior.

  6. GoodNamesAllTaken says:

    I like her and think she’s talented. I like the interview. I just have a hard time connecting the introspective woman who has learned from her past to appreciate life’s important things with this desperate to stay young, fearful, aging less than gracefully person. She confuses me.

    • TheOriginalKitten says:

      I totally know what you mean–and I wish she would see how pretty she is without all the injections.

      But the same could be said about myself and my ED you know? I’m not an unintelligent person, but I have had my own issues in the past with my physical appearance. It’s not something I’m proud of, and I’m well-aware of the judgment that comes along with it, but I truly couldn’t help it. This thing grew quietly inside me for years, and when it resurfaced it was bigger than I could handle.

      Close friends and family just couldn’t understand how that could happen to me, and when they finally had the courage to ask why, I had no clear explanation for them.

      I guess the only answer I can come up with is that people are complicated and multi-faceted. We’re not characters on a TV show and not every piece of us will fit neatly together. Sometimes, insecurities are so deeply-rooted that it’s impossible for us to know how they got there in the first place.

      • GoodNamesAllTaken says:

        Excellent points. I never thought of it that way. We all have contradicting sides to our personality. I’m glad you’re better.

      • Calcifer says:

        @ The Original Kitten’I guess the only answer I can come up with is that people are complicated and multi-faceted.’
        Thank , you, a very wise thing to say. Many of us are figuring life out as we go along, and that may make us look a bit inconsistent from the outside. This reminds me not to be too judgmental, hard as it may be with some celebrities.
        It would be nice though if Nicole – who I have a soft spot for too – would allow herself to age a bit more naturally. On the other hand, this interview makes it clear to me that she is a sensitive, maybe even a vulnerable person. Maybe she needs the hard, perfect ‘shell’ of her preserved looks as some kind of shield to feel stronger. Don’t know if I am making myself clear as English is not my native language.

      • Ag says:

        yes – as my awesome husband says, deep down inside, none of us have any clue what we’re doing. :)

    • Size Does Matter says:

      Exactly this, 100%. These photos are nice, too, but I think it is a bad sign when hair is covering half the face in half the photos.

  7. Magnolia says:

    Does she forget she had kids and a family before Sunday Rose was born? “…there’s an enormous amount of give and take, particularly when you get pregnant” What about before, Nicole, when you already had two kids who needed you? She comes across like she only became a mom when she had her biological kids. I hope I am wrong about this. Maybe the botox made her forget.

    • Pix says:

      I was thinking the same thing. She never talks about the babies she adopted with Tom and ultimately left for her freedom. I do think it’s sad.
      She strikes me as a very melancholy and sensitive person that pushes all the bad stuff away. It comes out in the acting.

      • jwoolman says:

        She most likely has to avoid questions about her older children in interviews. Co$ is dangerous. They collect damaging info during “auditing” sessions and then use it for blackmail, so that’s one possibility. Or if she let slip anything critical it would cause even more problems for her relationship with her older children and could very well put her younger ones (and herself and her husband) in danger.

    • Jayna says:

      Both have said they love her when asked. But they have not been seen with her in probably ten or eight years. After seeing what happened to Katy and Suri, you can imagine what Nicole has been through She had half custody of her kids with Tom for a couple of years and was seen with them and then as time went on Scientology worked their magic and Tom and their lives became immersed in Tom’s world and Scientology, surrounded by them, and wanted to live with him as tweens. What do you expect her to do? She’s talking in terms of this marriage and she was never pregnant before. When her other kids were little she used to talk about them all the time until Scientology slowly did their evil and they wanted to live with Tom permanently. I doubt these little ones have barely met their siblings and her relationship with the older two is more of a phone relationship. She says she loves Bella and Connor and is proud of them but the pain must run deep at how they distanced themselves from her. But she doesn’t wan to do anything to make the tenuous relationship they have a complete estrangement. Look at Suri and Tom. He probably sees her a little, but he used to brag at how he was so devoted to his children. Katy got Suri out and it has affected the way he treats her compared to his older two when he was hands on.
      I’m glad she had children to fill the hole of what happened with Tom and ultimately Connor and Bella. Scientology is evil.

    • Eleonor says:

      One word: Scientology.
      She has lost two children because of that cult.

    • MG says:

      Yes! I don’t get how no one, including Nicole seems to remember she had adopted two kids with Tom. What the hell?

      • Lauren says:

        Nicole is not a saint, but her divorce from Tom was devastating. Tom controlled all the terms of the divorce with his cult associates.
        I thought Nicole was brilliant in Practical Magic and The Human Stain. She was incredibly beautiful in Practical Magic.
        I understand the pressure to use botox, fillers, implants, and plastic surgery to try to preserve her youth. Nicole’ s ridiculous lying is what irks me. Just watch her films from the previous 15 – 20 years, and Nicole’ s face tells the truth.

    • Talie says:

      I try to give her pass. Scientology was much stronger during those years and… I guess the pull of her career was too much to give up. I’m sure she lives with those demons every day.

      • JellyBelly says:

        The kids chose Scientology over her. It was their decision. She had them living in New York with her, but they wanted to move back to California. Guess Tom had more toys.

    • Esmom says:

      This is what I came here to say, any mention of her older kids seems conspicuously absent. Who knows what the real story is — and no matter what Scientology may have done to her relationship with them — it seems sad that she’s not even acknowledging their existence.

      • CF98 says:

        I always thought she found it easy to dump them because they weren’t her biological kids she always got a pass for that and I never understood that if the roles were reversed we’d be dogging the guy for not acknowledging the kids from the previous marriage.

        If her and Keith ever split I’m curious how custody will go there.

    • Josephine says:

      Nicole and Tom were extremely private with those kids, and they shared custody when the kids were young, so not sure why you are claiming abandonment. As teens, they choose to stay with Tom, and she’s always been very supportive of them and their decisions. I’ve always thought she took the high road and did what she thought was best for the kids, even if it meant that they were not going to be with her.

    • Eleonor says:

      I think all of you who are saying things like “she dumped her kids” might not be aware of what means dealing with someone who has been brainwashed by a cult like Scientology.
      They simply cut you out of their life, no matter who you are. Tom Cruise is doing this with Suri.
      Nicole used to talk about her children, but after the divorce things changed, for worst.

      • CF98 says:

        Nicole had means if Katie Holmes who’s of lesser fame than Nicole I might add can get her kid out so could Nicole. She chose not to. It takes a lot to take a kid from their mother in this country : Either she’s a crappy mother or she conceded custody beyond that its usually fathers that get screwed in regards to custody. She didn’t want those kids her choice but I bet if Katie left Suri with Tom the backlash would’ve been swift towards her around here.

        Besides I also don’t think Suri is Tom’s biological kid which is why I think he relented more than anything.

      • Kate says:

        Suri was young and Tom didn’t fight for her. He behaved in the exact opposite way with Nicole. He really threw those kids into Scientology while Nicole was working on Moulin Rouge and The Others, so by the time they divorced the kids had already been alienated from her. He planned it just like Katie planned leaving him. Nicole had joint costody for a while but then the kids were old enough to say who they wanted to live with, and that was Tom (FYI he dumped them with his sister 99% of the time).

        They’re enmeshed in a cult. Nicole has always behaved exactly as she should. Dragging someone kicking and screaming from a cult doesn’t work. All you can do is make sure you remain someone they can turn to if/when they finally wise up. If you go around bad mouthing their ‘religion’, fighting with them about it, you just push them either further in.

      • Sozual says:

        I am glad everyone is mentioning Scientology. I guess some people missed the Village Voice’s detailed accounts of Scientology.

      • Jayna says:

        Kate, the kids were with Nicole the whole time she was filming Moulin Rouge in Australia. She talked about it back then, coming home to her kids in full costume, cooking pasta for them. I remember that interview. He was off doing a movie.

    • NJK says:

      That’s exactly what I thought and expressed! A total phony.

  8. Lori says:

    I think she would of looked great if she had never messed with her face and just aged gracefully. But that ship has sailed and she probably has to keep up the fillers or else she would look even weirder. For someone who has spent their life under a sun hat to prevent sun damage, why oh why would she willfully do THAT to her face.

  9. poppy says:

    she feels! soooooo much!
    yet cannot move her face :roll:

    she was truly blessed with beauty but what she has done to freeze her face is sad. smh

  10. FingerBinger says:

    I like Nicole Kidman, always have. Good actress. She really should have said ‘HELL NO’ to that Grace Kelly role.

  11. Luciana says:

    I always had and still have a soft spot for her. I think she’s a talented actress. I watched her the other day in Stoker. She still has IT!

  12. Micki says:

    I think she blossomed careerwise after Tom Cruise and before Keith Urban, so she can say comfortably she “much rather have a family” now.
    As a Gemini I can say the grass is still greener in the next field and the sky is bluer on the other river bank.I can’t be satisfied with only one aspect.
    The thing about the crisp made me laugh though. But who knows I may turn into a cancer the next decade

  13. itsetsyou says:

    She looks great!

  14. don't kill me i'm french says:

    As i believe she enjoys her family life ( she loves her daughters) as i don’t believe her when she says she prefers her family over the accolades.She works too much ( 3 movies per year) to be credible

    • HappyMom says:

      This exactly. She’s never stopped working-which is fine-but it seems dishonest to talk about how you’ve given up so much professionally to have a family.

  15. M says:

    “She’s tired of actors famous for being famous: The way in which actors are defined is so different now. So much of it is by their clothes and how they look and all of the celebrity that surrounds that, whereas it used to be you went to drama school and you were trained as an actor.”

    So damn true, some of whom people are calling “actors/actresses” nowadays is eek. They get to star in some popular book or get a role in a movie that makes tons of money and all of a sudden they are famous when they can’t act for sh*t.

    I am glad she is now content with life. I just don’t like that she messed with her face and looks weird.

  16. jwoolman says:

    Her adult daughter has definitely been to see her in Europe with the past couple of years. Don’t know about her son, he may be enjoying his role as the heir apparent to Tom’s position in the Co$ too much. At least one defector, an eye-witness to the process, revealed that both her oldest kids were “audited” very young to believe she was awful in Co$ terms. Not surprising that they chose to live with Tom. They did spend time with her up to a point, though, I remember once they were in Australia for an extended time while she was shooting a movie. I don’t believe she ever abandoned them. She’s been quiet so she can leave a door open if they ever escape, but there really isn’t much else she can safely do for them. It’s a terrible situation.

  17. Pearson says:

    I guy I went to graduate school with knew Nicole Kidman. This was years ago when she first married Tom. He said it was very much an arrangement so I always wonder how authentic her comments are regarding that marriage.
    Also… This is probably stupid to point out but I remember seeing photos of Nicole on the internet a few weeks after she gave birth to her daughter. She was in WHITE jeans. Maybe my experience having children was different but I had one c-section and one vaginal delivery and I would not have felt safe wearing white out in public. Not to be graphic but it’s like your worst period times two.

    • HappyMom says:

      My thoughts exactly about the white jeans. I didn’t have c-sections, but there is NO way I could have been in white jeans for the first several weeks post partum. It was like a crime scene.

  18. Triple Cardinal says:

    Nicole irks me these days and I call BS on this interview.

    It’s one thing to be complicated. It’s another to rewrite history.

    She was in those white jeans just 10 days after birthing. It’s possible, yes, but does it pass the smell test?

    Like saying your children “chose” Co$ when they were only seven and nine at the time of the breakup. It was chosen for them. And she never fought for them.

    If I’d been divorced from Tom Cruise, I’d take my settlement money and march my team of lawyers and my angry self into Family Court and demand custody. Her settlement was huge and her claim legitimate. But she didn’t, for whatever reasons.

    She took Sunday onto the “Nine” set when the child was just weeks old. Sunday has attended four different schools in the past 24 months. That’s family first?

    She quoted Keith a few years ago on TV saying he DIDN’T want more kids. So, which is it?

    Sigh. Nicole has become my LeAnn, which is a shame. I truly did enjoy her earlier films. But between the tap dancing in her interviews and the wooden performances in film, I now find her irritating.

    • Denise says:

      I have to agree with all of this, I also loved her earlier work. But what’s happened since, I don’t know…I just feel very uneasy whenever I see her or hear her speak. I just don’t believe a word she says, and wish I could be a fly on the wall in her house and see that she is a real human being who actually behaves in the way she’d have us believe.

  19. MAC says:

    She is a great actor. I like the way she dresses, or gets styled most of the time. I like her interview and her values on family. The famous actors quote is great.

    If she ever wrote an autobiography of her life I would read it. I applaud her honesty for talking about her part in things like her marriage to Tom. How she endured living with someone that brainwashed for that long amazes me. In the end her and Katie hopefully will get a good life and I am happy for them both.

  20. Santolina says:

    The day when Nicole actually speaks true words about her life will be interesting. Unfortunately, nobody will be able to tell.

  21. Skyblue says:

    All I have to say is I turn 48 soon and I hate watching my face age. There are days all I see when I look in the mirror is the deep line between my eyebrows. I can see how actresses get caught up with the surgery and botox. I wonder if I wouldn’t do the same if I had the resources. That said, I’m fond of Nicole and always wish her happiness.

    • Nina says:

      Agreed. Aging is a bitch. And then u get Botox.

      Seriously, it’s hard even for us normal folk. Must be 100times harder for those whose careers depend on their appearance. Ah well, such is the curse of this who win the genetic lottery.

  22. norah says:

    I am sorry to say that nicole kidman sdnt have said anything at all – talking about being with tc was hell etc – that reflects so badly on her as well – dont forget that she did very well during her years – signing movies etc on his coattails and his name – of course she may have been a good actress but she sd also admit that she got lots of benefits being tc’s wife. now she comes across as being so judgemental and patronising. if she cared so much for her kids with tc she wd have done more – applied for more visits or joint custody or made more of an effort to see them.easy to blame tc for not seeing them but maybe it was easier for her as well. I just feel that she doesnt really consider them as “hers” only her kids with keith urban are really hers if you know what i mean. shows how insecure she is. then why stay married for so long- 10 years at least – i may not like tc but i wd never talk about stuff in my personal life in public and that is what she is doing to bring attention to herself. she sd leave the past where it belongs and concentrate on her current life and family. why keep moaning about tc and her life before keith all the time.

  23. norah says:

    i wonder if she is just jealous especially since brad and angelina got married now.seems interesting especially with the timing dont you think? it was strange because she was the original choice to play mrs smith and in the end angelina did and got brad in the end

  24. norah says:

    also why on earth did she choose that princess grace movie? it was so horrible and her acting ew?

  25. Rubber Ducky says:

    I’d say her extremely fertile sister bore at least one of her kids for her.

  26. Sozual says:

    I don’t understand the whole I have a soft spot for, well this time it’s Nicole. Are people suppose to be ashamed of liking an actress. Nicole is one of the greatest talents that has ever been. That is just a fact. She has that whole old school Hollywood allure down pact. Beauty, personality, and talent. If I was in a place to say something I would, regarding her using some botox. As of this time I don’t have her personal email address…lol…so I can’t. Love her regardless. NOT TO MENTION SHE DOES GO OFF AND ON WITH THE STUFF. She looked beautiful in Rabbit Hole.

  27. NJK says:

    I’m on the fence as to whether she was actually pregnant with her daughter, but irrespective of this, Nicole never fought for or advocated for her two adopted children with Cruise. When she got divorced she immediately got into relationships with different men and her adopted kids were put by the wayside. Even gossip columns referred to them as Nicole and Tom’s props! She never argued the point and in fact did not challenge Cruise for custody. What does this tell you? She is all about publicity. Maybe if she had given birth to those kids she would have fought harder. In retrospect, it appears as if she couldn’t wait to get rid of them. It’s hard to schedule botox and plastic surgery while still being a movie star. Being a mother is just TOO MUCH for her.

    • Rubber Ducky says:

      Read up on being declared a Suppressive Person by Scienobots. Then you might understand.

      • Aotearovian says:

        Seriously. Connor Cruise has been reported by those who have blown as saying his mother is an SP.

        NJK: Reading anything by Marty Rathbun or Tony Ortega (not to mention many other reputable sources) or the books on Scientology by Janet Reitman and Lawrence Wright will help you understand.

        It upsets me on Kidman’s behalf that people with no knowledge of the workings of Scientology and Cruise’s role in it blame her for what happened with her eldest children. That outfit is full of secrets, and they are as sick as it gets, and those children were born in COS (Isabella, rumour has it, to a member of Sea Org who was forbidden to procreate) and are yet to escape. Kidman had and has no agency to make that happen.