Katherine Heigl on playing nice after trashing employers: ‘It felt so dishonest’

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As you know, Katherine Heigl has an arguably well deserved reputation as a royal pain in the ass. At one point she was poised to become the next romcom queen, but several statements she made to the press, along with poor career choices and a reportedly controlling mom/manager, put her career on the downswing. She is now starring in a new political thriller series, State of Affairs, which will premiere on NBC next week. Katherine Heigl was widely criticized by both the mainstream press and industry publications, which did some digging as to her on-set behavior. This wasn’t just the issue of some bloggers nitpicking her very obnoxious public statements. (That’s our job, and we do it well.) Multiple insiders spoke out against Heigl, and there were reports on her diva behavior and career in NY Mag and in The Hollywood Reporter.

In a new interview with E!, Heigl talks about the fallout from that period, and she makes it sound like it was sexism and censoring on the part of the media. She talks about empowering her daughters to speak up for themselves, which I agree with in principle, but she trashed at least two employers publicly. My mom taught me to be firm and speak up for myself, but she’s also told me that you get more flies with honey. There’s a way to state your case without complaining about the people who pay you seven figures to act. This interview with E! shows that Heigl hasn’t changed at all. E!’s Kristen Dos Santos also makes it sound like Heigl is a victim of the media blowing her comments out of proportion. Maybe that happened on some level, but Heigl made her own bed. In fact Dos Santos writes “What happened to the then 29-year-old actress after ‘Shonda-gate’ and ‘Apatow-gate’ was one of the most jarring public lynchings Hollywood has ever seen.” Oh no she did not just use the L word to describe Katherine Heigl’s career. Someone should have edited that sh*t out of there.

Here’s some of Heigl’s interview with E!, and you can read more on E!’s site.

The first time I met you was right when you started Grey’s Anatomy, and I remember being totally floored by how real you were. You didn’t have a filter. You were funny and honest. It’s pretty rare in this town that we get to chat with people who don’t get fed every single line to say. So now, a decade later, given everything you went through, I’m wondering, how has that changed? Do you feel like you need to be a lot more careful about what you say? Can you still speak your mind?
Back when all that happened, I was a little naïve. I didn’t know. At the time, social media and all of that wasn’t what it is now. I didn’t realize the impact that this comment or that comment would have or that it would catch like wildfire. But it did. It spread and it turned into something a lot uglier than I ever intended. Obviously I’m more aware of that now. If I’m going to voice my opinion and I’m going to speak my mind, I better be very clear about what my intentions are when I say it. It should never be flippant or carelessly tossed out there. I’m still going to have opinions and some of them people are going to agree with, and some they won’t. But that’s life and that’s every single person on this planet.

I spent time trying to be more of a publicity packaged thing, and I just couldn’t. I couldn’t sleep at night. It kept me up. It felt so dishonest to me and it felt like such a cop out, like me saying that I am inherently wrong about how I feel about things or I am inherently wrong if I have something to say. I don’t like that for my daughters. I don’t like that for my girlfriends. I don’t like that for any woman in this world to be made to feel like that. You voice, your opinion and you are made to feel like if someone disagrees with you, that now you’re a bad person?

Above all else, you have to be able to respect yourself.
Yes. At the end of the day, call me any name you want but I’m going to continue to stand up for myself and I’m going to continue to be heard and voice what I feel and not be bullied into being a doormat, just so you’ll call me a sweetheart. I don’t want to teach my kids that. And I know certainly some remarkable women like Alfre and my mother and the women that I work with at the network and studio who exude the most gracious confidence in a non-aggressive, non-egotistical way. That’s what I need to learn. I need to learn to be like that and not just vomit my ideas out there.

Once you learn that, I still think it’s important to be true to yourself. I don’t want my kids to feel like they don’t have a voice or that having a voice makes them a bitch. I’ve gone through that phase, too, where I just sit in the corner quietly and look pretty and smile a lot. It’s not terribly satisfying. It’s living in a weird place of fear of what others think about you. But what matters most is what I think about me. I hold myself to the standard that I think is important. Do I have integrity? Am I compassionate? Am I charitable? Am I forgiving? Am I respectful and decent? That’s far more important to me than saying what everyone wants me to say.

Do you think your comments would have been received differently if you were a man? There’s no male equivalent for the word “diva.” Do you feel that women have less freedom to stand up for themselves and what is right, without coming across as abrasive?
Why isn’t there the male equivalent for even bitch? It’s so derogatory. I can get into a whole conversation about this. My husband and I talk about this and he’s like, ‘Well, let’s come up with a word!’ But look, I don’t want to be a victim, either. I don’t want to sit around and complain about the way things are, I want to power through it. My mother never subscribed to the idea that a woman had to be this or a woman was only capable of this in a professional way. Even if that stigma was placed on her in the ’50s and the ’60s and the ’70s, she just ignored it and kept moving forward and kept being who she was capable of being and doing. It’s not always possible if the people in charge say no because the people in charge do say no. But that’s my approach at this point, to not let it make me a victim of society or sexism. It’s up to me to bully my way through it.

[From E! Online]

I like what Heigl said about not painting herself as a victim because she’s not. I would have liked to hear her own her past statements though instead of acting like she was speaking her truth and got eviscerated for it. In Heigl’s mind, she’s either being true to herself by speaking out or she’s “sitting in the corner quietly [to] look pretty and smile a lot.” She did admit that she needs to learn how to be graciously confident and “not just vomit ideas out there.” I do think she’s learning, but I don’t think she’s changed. She still thinks she was right all along and that everyone else misinterpreted her.

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  1. Bridget says:

    Dos Santos has always seemed like a nice lady, but she’s not exactly a hard hitting interviewer.

  2. tracking says:

    I haven’t been following this closely enough to know whether what she said was bad, could have been misinterpreted etc. But I’m wary of the urge to shut down a woman who is speaking her mind (if that’s what happened). Though of course it’s not nice to be overly arrogant or unappreciative of great opportunities either.

    • Falkor says:

      She bit the hand that feeds and offers dried up quick. You don’t publicly shit talk your boss if you want work–that applies to everyone with a job who likes being employed. She’s not a victim, she’s an idiot.

      • Jayne says:

        I wasnt crazy about Greys drama, trying to ride Isaiah Washingtons mess into more screen time, badmouthing the writing, talking crap on Letterman about Shonda but shes hardly the first actor to pull this crap. The difference is that male actors arent saddled with the “difficult” tag for infinity. Val Kilmers drama doesnt get its own paragraph in every single article about him. Nor does Ed Norton or Viggo Mortensen. Shia Labeuof has run his mouth about pretty much every big film and major director he has worked with. Each time, its a slight scandal and the world moves along. Its not constantly dug up. He is not constantly fielding questions about that time he said Spielberg had dropped the ball while promoting a Spielberg movie. Or any number of things he said about Michael Bay. Now try to find a Megan Fox article that doesnt reference her tiff with Michael Bay.

        Katherine screwed up but can we not pretend that women DONT pay a far bigger price for their mistakes than the guys.

      • Bridget says:

        One of the biggest differences isn’t necessarily that you’re talking about men, its the fact that all of those men may have been a total pain at some point (and Val Kilmer isn’t exactly a comeback story) is that all of those men forged relationships with people who liked them enough that they’re willing to take a chance (though Norton and Viggo are still considered absurdly talented and that goes for a lot). Heigl burned every bridge along the way, from her show runner to her co stars (her Star Report famously said that they had a hard time casting her male leads because no one that worked with her before ever wanted to work with her again). Even Shia LeBouf knew when he needed to clean his act up.

      • Elle says:

        This. A thousand times this.

        Yes, Hollywood is ridiculously sexist. But in Heigl’s case, she badmouthed her employer and coworkers. Publicly and repeatedly. And that’s just what the public heard about.

        If I were a filmmaker, why would I want to hire an actress who is a high-risk of bad mouthing a project? Heigl’s talented, but she’s not that talented. At the end of the day, she’s one more blonde with decent comedic timing. She’s replaceable, so why wouldn’t studios and directors pick team players?

        There’s a difference between being a strong, assertive woman and being difficult and cruel.

      • holly hobby says:

        Well Val Kilmer hasn’t been employed in years so there goes the theory that shit talking male stars still get roles.

        I think you can be a shit talker if you bring in the $$$. Unfortunately for her, no one wants to see her movies so ergo she’s now the Nyquil shill.

  3. Falkor says:

    She shouldn’t have to not broadcast her every thought because what she thinks is so obviously the truth and everyone else just isn’t smart enough to see it. She lies awake at night feeling so fake when she’s not shoving her ideas down peoples throats like a mama bird feeding a baby. It’s too bad we’ll never understand how amazingly insightful she is before she’s gone in two weeks.

  4. decorative item says:

    I always thought she was quite cute in her movies. Who knows how horrible she was on set, I suppose there would be some truth to the rhumers, where theres smoke theres fire and all that. Still, I do believe that women in Hollywood don’t have the same freedoms as the men. Some of the rubbish the men get up to without any repercussions to their carriers is just amazing. Short of getting recorded bashing, threatening, murdering someone they seem to get a free pass to be all sorts of vile.

  5. FingerBinger says:

    I always felt Heigel got a bad rap. Yes most of it was self inflicted. But I can’t help but feel if she were a man she would called ‘uncompromising”.

    • Bridget says:

      If she were a man, chances are she wouldn’t have her mom.managing her, and this stuff wouldn’t be an issue. Competent management would have reined her in, and wouldn’t have actively made the problem worse.

    • tracking says:

      +1

    • Bella bella says:

      I never liked her as an actress, but I thought she totally got a bad rap when all that stuff went down. People got so RABID, it was weird! I think what she says in that interview is right on the money.

      • holly hobby says:

        It’s not even the known feuds with Shonda and Apatow. The Hollywood Reporter article also mentioned her and her mom being verbally abusive to the movie staff (chewing out the crafts services because Katie didn’t get her favorite snack) or holding up the set because Katie didn’t think the outfit was nice. Any delay costs $$$.

        If actors are asshats in real life but still performs without holding up the production and are gold at the box office, they will always get hired. She did everything she could to hold up production, costing producers money, because she wanted to make a point. I think she got more chances than she deserved. Google Roswell and how she held up production because she wanted out of her contract. She gets what she deserves.

    • Elle says:

      I don’t entirely disagree with you, but I also can’t think of an actor who badmouthed specific projects and individuals publicly and without consequence.

      Hollywood will forgive all sorts of vices and crimes, but the line is when you become difficult to work with and a risk of costing a studio money. In that sense, it’s not that different than other industries. That’s why Lohan flamed out – if she had continued to be professional on set, she’d probably still be getting roles. Heigl made herself a liability. More than that, why would another creative type want to work with her, knowing there’s a good chance she publicly denigrate their work? I was never a fan of Grey’s Anatomy, but what she said about the writing that one season was unforgivable. I certainly wouldn’t want to hire her.

      Besides, her new show has already gone through how many show runners and it hasn’t even premiered yet. I think it’s interesting that NBC keeps issuing press releases stating that “No, this show runner didn’t leave because of Katherine … “

  6. Hautie says:

    “Everyone has the freedom of speech. But be prepare for the consequences, from the words you use… ”

    That is best advice I was ever given. I am now offering it to Princess Ass-Talk.

    If you are going to go out in the world and run your mouth. Without any thought to the consequences to those words, you put out there. Then be prepare for them to bite you on the ass.

    Miss Heigl… still believes that does not apply to her. That she (and that Mother of hers) is a special snowflake. Who gets to sh*t talk. And everyone is suppose to take it. Then keep on paying her millions.

    Nice to see she has still not learned a thing.

    • Kitten says:

      Not a fan of hers at all but isn’t she echoing exactly what you said here with this?:
      “Obviously I’m more aware of that now. If I’m going to voice my opinion and I’m going to speak my mind, I better be very clear about what my intentions are when I say it. It should never be flippant or carelessly tossed out there.”

      • Gypsy says:

        But! But! That wasn’t her job description, they didn’t hire her for her opinions, they hired her to read other people’s words and to take directions from other people, not her opinion, and lets not say men doing that same are immune from punishment – Charlie Sheen and his Tiger blood was fired for being stupid, and Charlie was THE central character. Val Kilmer is not a fully working actor anymore, before he was a top get for the studios, but they showed him he wasn’t indispensable.

  7. Karen says:

    What are some or the damaging things she said?

  8. Jac says:

    She strikes me as someone who hasn’t had a day of fun in her whole life.

  9. Senaber says:

    Owning her bitchiness is the only way for her to go now. Too bad she wasn’t respected enough in her industry first. Pay your dues until you are a boss, a la Martha Stewart or Karl Lagerfeld. I don’t think this is a sexist thing; everyone eats sh*t until they are on top, less they become Katie Heigl or Miles Teller.

  10. Jmo says:

    I take issue with this woman, especially after the kind of acting that Heigl engaged in, for being so dismissive of her opportunities. It is not like she acted in or only accepted parts in movies that had such important messages about female empowerment, for her to be on such a soapbox. She was a bottled blonde, big shiny white teeth, acting the girlfriend, the insecure smart and pretty doofus that stumbled her way into a man’s heart. That was the image she was putting out there, and then to behave in such an entitled way, was the reason in my mind she experienced such backlash. She hasn’t learned anything, nor accepted responsibility for her troubles. Why she couldn’t just be happy to have a seat at the very privileged table of a successful working actor, and celebrate that? And then if her goal was to work on projects with great integrity, well get to it girl! But no, she continued to play the same parts and then yip about how awful it was to work on them? Ungrateful, spoiled and living with blinders.

    Sadly, I really liked her in some of her early films. She has a great screen presence. She has talent. But so do a lot of other actresses that have not pouted and bitched about their privileged lives. I will watch them now before I will ever watch another Heigl production.

  11. Eleonor says:

    Megan Fox was smart enough to learn the lesson change pr strategy and now is in a blockbuster movie again, Heigl is not, she is going to end like Shannen Doherty.

  12. Jess says:

    I still like her and think she has a point, maybe she learned a lesson about being an ass on set and trashing her employers. I was drawn to her when she made comments about not immediately connecting with her first daughter, I thought that was pretty honest and bold to put that out there, especially after she had already been so criticized for speaking her mind. Things are different for women, a lot of people around my neck of the woods think women who are strong and independent or curse and drink beer with the guys are trashy, I find it offensive, be who you are and stand up for yourself, but don’t be a jerk about it, man or woman.

    • Elle says:

      Given how many show runners have departed the project before it even aired, I’m not buying that she learned her lesson. NBC can say it had nothing to do with Heigl, but given her history, I’m not guying it.

  13. Mikeyangel says:

    Heigl willingly took the jobs, so for her to disparage her employers for the content was quite arrogant. I like a lot of what she said here. Unfortunately I believe she is still the same person and hasn’t grown which is a shame. I like her movies. I do believe men are held to a different standard in Hollywood, and well everywhere else as well. I know I had an uphill battle at my last employer being the only, and youngest, woman on my management team. I was certainly held to a different status as well which was sometimes helpful but more often than not unhelpful. I only hope for her sake that she finds that graciousness she discussed.

    On a side note, I absolutely hate the word bitch as well. It is only used to either disparage women, or describe men that others think are acting like a woman. Disgusting word. I have two daughters, and a son on the way, and I refuse to use that word. When they act like jerks they are a$$holes, not bitches:) (of course I don’t call them that to them)!

  14. Rachel says:

    Every time I see a preview for that show, all I can think about is how hard it’s going to crash and burn. It looks horrible. Just the previews look so bad, I wouldn’t bother to give the pilot a shot.

  15. lucy2 says:

    There’s a lot of area between “bitch” and “doormat”, it’s not one or the other. I think you need to stand up for yourself and not be afraid to have a voice, but you also need to treat people with respect if you expect to receive that yourself. Work things through and express yourself like an adult, and don’t make things harder than they have to be, which is something many people have had issue with when working with her and her momager.

    Side note, I like the blue dress.

  16. Gypsy says:

    What was she hired for her opinions or to successfully read the words script writers give her, when there comes a point when you no longer want to read those words or you no longer respect the people writing and directing your performance then the honorable thing to do is resign and go your way peacefully.
    if those people who hired you didn’t abuse you and didn’t refuse to pay you, then there is no reason to publicly attack them, they are human just like you Katherine, they have feelings too.

  17. Tired of LeAnn's BS says:

    Katherine admires women “who exude the most gracious confidence in a non-aggressive, non-egotistical way. That’s what I need to learn. I need to learn to be like that and not just vomit my ideas out there.” There are lots of folks in Hollywood and elsewhere who need to learn things like grace, humility, and controlling the diarrhea of the mouth/tweet/Instagram. LeAnn, are you reading this?

  18. Bea says:

    Why is it that Christian Bale can be caught on audio completely berating a crew member and continue to be lauded, nominated and given his pick of roles but Heigl is black listed? Sexism is part of this conversation whether she is a nice person or not.