Prince Charles worries Carole Middleton will buy a house close to Anmer Hall


As we discussed on Friday, the Daily Mail’s gossip guy Sebastian Shakespeare claims that Prince William and Duchess Kate are basically keeping Prince George from his grandfather, Prince Charles. Sources claimed that Charles is very concerned that George has grown much too attached to Carole Middleton in particular, and Charles is concerned that William and George are much too “Middletonized”. The Mail had a follow-up this weekend which re-emphasized these points, but there are some new quotes and info. The point of this report is “don’t blame Carole Middleton, blame William and Kate for not wanting Charles to spend time with George.” Some highlights:

Carole Middleton wants to buy a house closer to Anmer Hall: There is a ‘definite feeling’ among friends of the Duchess of Cornwall — George’s step-grandmother — that Kate’s parents could be thinking of buying a place in Norfolk, where William and Kate will soon be living virtually full-time at Anmer Hall, near the Queen’s Sandringham Estate…

Charles never really knew his grandfathers, wanted to be close to George: Charles was only three when George VI died, and he never knew his paternal grandfather, Prince Philip’s dissolute, playboy father Prince Andrew of Greece, who died in 1944. The Queen Mother stepped into her husband’s empty space and became Charles’s counsellor and mentor, a vital sounding board in his life, until her death in 2002 at the age of 101.

Charles “gets” that Kate and Carole are close: An aide says, ‘Of course, he acknowledges that the mother-daughter thing is natural, and he’s aware it’s likely to be just the same when the new baby arrives.’ One has to wonder, however, how different things would have been if Princess Diana were still alive to balance Carole’s pull on her daughter. Camilla is little help in this respect and she has no special bond with Kate or, for that matter, much of one with William.

Kate is always going home to Casa Middleton: The fact is, Kate has rushed home to her mother at every opportunity — not just when she was suffering from morning sickness — and she and William have been endlessly taking George at weekends to spend time with Carole, 60, and husband Michael, 65, at their £5 million manor house in Berkshire. Yet they have rarely, if ever, been seen at Highgrove in Gloucestershire.

A Middleton family friend says: ‘All Carole has ever wanted was to give as much guidance and help to Kate and George as any other grandmother. She’ll be horrified to learn that William’s father is apparently upset because he is not seeing enough of George. She would never want that.’

How often does Charles really see his grandson? The answer is not very often at all. Our understanding is that he would love to see more of George, but does not want to have to ask. This shines an interesting light on the relationship between father and son. There are very real tensions between the two of them, and Charles often disagrees with William. But if there is an argument, friends say, Charles backs down every time.

But William backs down in fights with Kate? ‘It’s very different when William has an argument with Kate,’ reports a figure from their own circle. ‘She’s eloquent and stands her ground. It’s been a sharp learning curve for William, especially through the rougher passages of Kate’s two pregnancies.’

William doesn’t want to be like his dad, says one source: ‘Part of William is a rebel who just doesn’t want to be another version of his father, or have a stuffy, traditional royal role. It’s one of the reasons why he’s taken the Air Ambulance job. I’m convinced he wants to show Charles that he can be not only a royal, but also a ‘Middleton’. His message is that he’s part of their family — a family that gave him a proper home life.’

[From The Daily Mail]

Er… Kate is eloquent in fights with William? That’s reason enough to side-eye this report. I tend to believe – with all my heart – that every single person in William’s life backs down in the face of one of his infamous temper tantrums. William’s father backs down and lets William have his own way. Kate backs down and does whatever he tells her to do. The Middletons will do whatever he says. The only one capable of keeping William in line at all is the Queen, I suspect, and she probably doesn’t want to get involved in these very dysfunctional family dramas.

Oh, and if Carole buys a house close to Anmer Hall… that will be very interesting. For now, the Daily Mail is reporting that Carole and Michael have actually moved into Anmer Hall and “running the place.” And they will stay until Kate gives birth… and beyond, probably. The excuses being given are that Kate’s two staffers quit and Carole is the only one who can “placate” Kate when Kate is feeling ill. Here’s the thing: I’m okay with saying Carole should be there for Kate when Kate is about to give birth (God knows William doesn’t seem interested AT ALL), but it bugs me that we’re supposed to believe that Anmer Hall isn’t already staffed by easily a dozen people already.



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  1. SK says:

    God forbid a child should be close to a grandparent who is warm and loving and cares about them!

    • aemish says:

      +1. And how large is Anmer Hall that it can’t accommodate a couple of grandparents when it already has a staff of 12?

      • PipaMid says:

        Royalty and ‘commoners don’t just mix anytime. Sure PC can visit at AH but in the company of the middletons…. This is all on P William- he marry starry eyed doolittle and carole middletons. (for the royals wealth title, etc) while he get to go oFf and do what he wants – opnly its backfiring since waity deliver PG – this won’t end well!

        PG and sibs belong to the RF. Carolinserting (never mind the abundance of help nannies) in the RF will cause trouble. Middletons are not part of the family.

        Even Prince Harry didn’t show, ( may already off to be away from influencing P Will -according to waity carol middleton).

        Its becoming more like the former PoW Di days, the disrespect to PC the royals and HM Monday by a lowly 2d in line ‘commoner’ spouse to POW and DOC (on the global stage) is shameful to the Monarchy the Establishment bc of In Laws. Not good.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Are you assuming Charles isn’t warm and loving and cares about him? Diana’s spin job lives on 25 years later I guess.

      • Emma - the JP Lover says:

        @Notasugarhere …

        Agreed, and well said.

      • wolfpup says:

        I’m supposing that William bought Diana’s “spin job”? I wonder why…

        Carole, wanting to be a part of their lives, like any other grandmother, sounds unique to her, IMO. I personally believe that there must be some real problems in the younger royal household to need her “interference”. My parents told me to move away from home and deal with it, when I got married – definitely advice that encourages independence and maturity. The house workers that quit were young, and that makes me wonder if “middle-classness” was truly their reason for leaving.

      • captain says:

        notasugarhere – There don’t have to be two teams of good and bad guys. Saying that Carol loves George means exactly that: that Carol loves George.

      • notasugarhere says:

        SK seemed to be implying that it was okay for PGTips to spend all this time with Carole because she loves him, but also implying that if he was with Charles he would be with the grandparent who doesn’t love him.

    • FLORC says:

      1. This article is hilarously poorly imagined.
      2. Ofcourse not. Dont’ take it to the extreme. The stigma that comes with Carole is there’s no duty. The Midds are fun. Not duty driven. And the more time George is raised by Carole the higher the fear he will be lazy and lack a sense of social responsibility or duty.

      And Charles loves kids. You can read all the PR strategy Diana laid out (and then contradcted) and all the Charles hates Camilla’s grandkids stories, but the videos say otherwise. Charles is pretty sweet with children. Actions speak louder than words.

      • Montréalaise says:

        I imagine that Charles is looking at Carole and how her three kids turned out – not one of them seems to have any type of work ethic, or a sense of duty or social responsibility. If I were Charles, I’d worry about Carole’s influence on George, too.

      • FLORC says:

        Thing here is George has expectations of him. He should be close with his grandparents. He just should also be aware of his future role and not get caught up in the coddles and leisure. I hope there is balance in his life.
        Like Estelle.

  2. Betti says:

    As much as its a natural thing for a daughter to go to her mother when she has children, running to your mother every chance you get is indicative of a dysfunctional dynamic. For a woman of 33 she is far too attached and reliant on her mother, and Carole does seem to be a somewhat controlling person – guess she needs to protect all that she has worked for. Got to make sure she gets that title when Willy becomes King.

    Kate has no female friends, you rarely see her with her sister now – Carole is ALWAYS a few steps behind her. Is Kate really that insecure and unable to cope with life?

    I have run out of sympathy and patience with these 2.

    • aemish says:

      I would imagine being surrounded by a bunch of backstabbing fake royal friends, the real trustworthy relationship with her mom is rather refreshing.

      • GoodNamesAllTaken says:

        I agree. She knows she can trust her. I don’t have a problem with it.

      • wolfpup says:

        I agree with the concept that a mother would step in to help her daughter if necessary – it’s just the “necessity” that is curious.

      • 30winks says:

        At least if there are problems, Kate is being discreet and sharing with family only.

      • Bea says:

        Why would her friends be backstabbing fakes? I also think it’s very interesting that she has never had a friend who would catch public attention considering the schools she’s been to. Lots of titled etc people, papers would talk on and on about it yet there is nothing.

      • FLORC says:

        The RAF wives would have been trustworthy.

        I’ll still cite Kate’s cousin speaking sympathetically about her struggles with small talk. This probably makes it tough for her to make friends.And for so long she was only with William’s friends and her family. Does she know how to trust outsiders at this point? Years of playing that pr game only trusting her immediate family. That can be tough to return from.

        There’s only 1 aspect here I’ll take issue with. The PR angle. Kate trusts her mother. William is often elsewhere. This has been proven and admitted to. So, fine. The happy family of W and K raising their son together with Carole dropping it all to return to her daughters side is too much to swallow. Carole never left her side. And William isn’t there. So, when Carole is going to be seen there at AH instead of Kate at her parents home reasons need to be stated.
        The necessity part made me think only Carole can order the staff around how Kate likes.

      • Mel M says:

        Totally agree. She’s doesn’t lead a normal 33 year old, mom-of soon to be two type of life. She doesn’t live in a neighborhood with neighbors to rely on or have a moms group of friends. Her husband doesn’t seem to be a great support system either. If I were her I’d probably go to the most confortable and familiar place I knew as often as possible as well.

    • notasugarhere says:

      She cut out all of her friends in the 10 year pursuit of William, out of jealously not media distrust, and side-eyed any others. Well, for awhile she kept around her one friend who runs the for-profit orgies. The only woman she cannot cut out of his life is Jecca, so that is the one she doesn’t try to get rid of.

      • Betti says:

        Yes, she didn’t want to run the risk of Willy having affairs with them pure and simple. Karmic considering she was the other woman for a while.

        Kate is just as controlling as her mother – esp when it comes to Willy, she knows how to play him.

      • FLORC says:

        I don’t think Kate dumped her friends because she feared Wills would sleep with them. Wouldn’t it make more sense to keep them close instead of dumping them and they could do as they liked? No alligence to friendshiop?

      • ArtHistorian says:

        We don’t really know why Kate dumped her friends. However, knowing how paranoid William is and that he apparently “tests” new friends with wrong info to see if it makes its way into the media, I think that a plausible explanation might have to do with the fear that friends would leak stories to the press.

      • notasugarhere says:

        AH, they kept HIS friends. It was only her friends who were ousted. I find it difficult to believe that all of her friends were proven untrustworthy. Jessica Hay, sure, but all the others?

      • bluhare says:

        George’s godmother is one of Kate’s old friends, so I guess there’s one.

      • ArtHistorian says:

        I don’t think it has to do with all her friends proven untrustworthy but rather the FEAR that they could be
        – and I think that William may have been a factor in her decision.

      • FLORC says:

        The stories that came out at those times played into Kate dropping plans with them for William. Also changing herself for him and friends don’t hold back. Unsure where I read it, but it was a straight forward article with sources saying the friends just got fed up with Kate not being their friend while they were expected to be hers.
        Friend is a 2 way road so I can see this article being plausable.

        That’s right. That friend is a godparent. Is that the same friend Kate was seen getting lunch with (or walking with) around that time?

      • notasugarhere says:

        Triny? Tilly? They’ve never been papped shopping or having a girls day out that I remember. Those sightings are always Kate Middleton and one of her female RPOs. The only photos I recall with this person are them walking in the park once with stroller and dog soon after the first pregnancy was announced.

      • FLORC says:

        That is the photo i’m thinking of. And a t name does sound familiar.

      • LAK says:

        Bluhare: That godmother was originally William’s friend too. She is responsible for introducing them so I guess godmothering is her reward?

        Nota/Florc: you meen Trini Foyle. She hasn’t been seen with Kate for a long time which is sad. I really hoped that Kate had pulled her back into the circle, but apparently that was temporary.

      • FLORC says:

        That’s it LAK.
        Too bad she was only around briefly.

    • Beatrice says:

      Betti, I agree with you. Carole managed the whole “courtship” now seems to be continuing to control things. Kris Jenner has got nothing on this woman!! Yes a woman in her 30’s can be close to her parents, but Kate seems unusually reliant on her mom and has made no effort to make new friends or have any interests outside of shopping and vacationing. Princess Diana developed a circle of trusted friends, many of whom she became close to after marrying Charles (and I don’t mean her lovers) through her charity work. The “Middletonization” of William is not a good thing for the future of the Royals. And by the way, Kate needs to learn how to deal with the palace machinery, courtiers, and household staff, not let her mother run things.

      • Green Girl says:

        I thought the same thing about Kris! Everyone makes jokes about her, but she hasn’t pushed her daughters into marrying royalty (yet).

        I guess I could see Carole offering this much assistance if Kate were only 19 or 20. You really don’t know who you are at that age, you know? But if Carole is really helping out even only half as much as it has been reported, well, who really is running everything?

      • bluhare says:

        I wonder about Kate and her mother as well, but don’t use Diana as an example of someone who really cultivated her friends. She cut them off as fast as she cultivated them. There were some who stood the test of time, but I think almost all of them were on the “outs” with her at some point.

      • Green Girl says:

        YES about Diana, bluhare. I read your comment and thought immediately of her friendships with Sarah Ferguson and Elton John.

    • PipaMid says:

      This 33 year old royal titled runs from a royal professional care nannies household help to her extended family – Ma carole and the middletons for weeks at a time (and the most times without the husband who ensure the luxury pampered life continue)…. Well – how did waity get the stitches
      Again, pap in her hairline?!-.

  3. Suze says:

    Yeah, I doubt anyone is actually pushing William to do anything, Kate, Carole, Charles or anyone. Probably the only one who can be honest with him is Harry, and Harry probably doesn’t give a toss how William conducts his personal life.

    I think William essentially married all the Middletons and they are in it for the duration. Which isn’t all bad, I guess. Carole is probably a great grandmother to the kids and Kate does seem like the type to need the support. So they all muck it in together ; ). And, hey, they are saving money on staff this way. Win Win Win.

    • wolfpup says:

      Queen Carole – lots of power and influence that she is assuming in running the royal household. Not just the young royal household – but she seems more influential than anyone else on the future of the entire family – apparently showing a superiority Charles’s ability. If her end game is to keep the marriage intact, I’ll bet that the Queen is behind her – but power accumulated can always be abused. This is court life at it’s best – power politics.

      • notasugarhere says:

        If her end game is keeping the marriage in tact at the expense of W&K stepping up and doing their royal roles? If getting to the end game continues to tarnish the image of the BRF? Then no, HM is not backing Carole on this.

      • Betti says:

        The Middleton’s would never survive court politics when Willy takes the throne – they would throw them under the bus. What scandals about them do you think the press are sitting on? There is clearly some dodgy dealings going on around PP and then there’s the colourful Uncle Gary who IS the power behind that family, he’s the one who’s bankrolled them for years.

        Queen Carole – LOL, but only if they are still married when he takes the throne. My bets are a divorce when the kids hit their early teens. This marriage has the shadow of his parents all over it – history is going to repeat itself.

  4. Talie says:

    It sounds like Charles has a problem speaking up. If he wants to see his grandson, he should just ask and or, um, invite them over. He’s too damn stuffy.

    And how does he think William and Kate are going to react when they see this report his courtiers put out slamming Carole? Awkward…

    • GoodNamesAllTaken says:

      That’s what I was thinking. It’s sort of up to the grandparent to become involved in the child’s life. Call and say I want to see him on a regular basis. If you’re too proud to do that, how are they supposed to know you want to see him?

      And yeah, awkward is right.

      • wolfpup says:

        Charles uses the DM to make his desires known.

      • laura in LA says:

        Well, the royals are perhaps too reserved in this regard for Charles to say anything, and maybe the Middletons are just more open and expressive…

        In my personal experience, my father’s family of four brothers and one sister get along but do not know how to communicate with each other, so they expect the female spouses to arrange the get-togethers. After 45 years of this, my mother’s tired of it and prefers to spend time with her one sister and family.

        Also, that Charles doesn’t pressure or make overtures to William suggests that there’s still some guilt over his failed marriage to Diana, and something tells me that even if she were alive today, he and Camilla would still not be seeing much of George anyway.

    • Elly says:

      conflict avoidance is Charles second (or in his case sixth?) name.

    • Emma - the JP Lover says:

      @Talie, who wrote: “It sounds like Charles has a problem speaking up. If he wants to see his grandson, he should just ask and or, um, invite them over. He’s too damn stuffy.

      And how does he think William and Kate are going to react when they see this report his courtiers put out slamming Carole? Awkward…”

      I don’t know, it sounds to me like Charles is just being a typical grandparent. My mother went through a spell of this with my sister in a ‘Why should I have to beg to see my grandchildren?’ kind of way. It all got sorted out eventually, but my mother didn’t call my sister to ask to see the kids because she didn’t want to sound ‘demanding’ and, as I said above, she felt she shouldn’t have to beg/demand to see her grandchildren.

      The difference between my mother and Charles is that he is in fact the Prince of Wales, which places him higher on the royal ladder than William and Kate. Any ‘request’ he makes to see George could be interpreted as an order (wouldn’t the press just love that) and would really rub William the wrong way. I just think he’s acting like a normal grandparent in trying not to put demands on his child, but at the same time is a bit hurt at not having as much access to his grandson as he’d like.

      • wolfpup says:

        But they are not a typical family in the way that they communicate…they use media pressure….

  5. LAK says:

    Everything that’s ever been written about Carole and PGtips indicates that Carole is the one raising him with help from nannies.

    Kate and William rarely figure in any article/ random twitter sighting. Everything from managing his food, nap times, daily routine, leisure……it’s always Carole in charge, never Kate.

    It’s really strange that the media would go all out to paint a picture of a doting Carole whilst leaving out Kate, the original nanny wife.

    Also, whilst Carole and Mike are running Kate, seemingly full time, who is running Party Pieces? Isn’t that a full time occupation out of their barn?

    • Betti says:

      I agree – both seem to be absent parents, Kate seems to spend most of her time fussing about her appearance and absent husband while Willy is too busy playing at being a helicopter pilot. As i said in a previous post, Carole is a controlling personality and she is the one running that family.

      As for PP I imagine that they have other people running the day to day for them – maybe James can take over now that he’s free.

      • Suze says:

        Do you think they’d trust James? After all, he doesn’t exactly have a stellar business record.

      • bluhare says:

        I wouldn’t trust James. God knows what they’d start selling . . . marshmallows with photos on them maybe? 🙂

      • FLORC says:

        You just made me laugh so hard. My husband is shaking his head. 😀

    • Green Girl says:

      I have wondered that about PP, too. She might be able to do things remotely, and it really depends on who is left in charge when she’s out of the office.

    • notasugarhere says:

      It looks like they moved out of the barn awhile ago.

      As the Middletons trade up to a £4.7 million home now they’ve got their sights set on this giant depot as party business booms
      By Dennis Rice and Jonathan Petre for The Mail on Sunday
      16 June 2012

    • Bethany says:

      I don’t think Kate does anything by herself. She depends on her mother to take care of iife for her. There is really something weird about her, especially considering how old she is. She can have Mommie for her friend, but she should be running her own life, household and taking care of her own children.

      • Sassy says:

        Apparently her Mother was the driving force behind her getting acquainted and later marrying a future king. Kate undoubtedly did what Mama said and is continuing to do so.

  6. Kori says:

    all I know is when I visited Clarence House (Charles’s residence) last summer, the tour guide (not just ‘a source’) said (in response to a question, not part of the tour spiel) that when everyone is in London, George comes over every Sunday for a few hours to spend with grandpa. It just isn’t publicized. There were also some adorable, unpublished, photos of Charles and George, including one from christening day where Charles looked thrilled. No photos are allowed to be taken in the house unfortunately.

    • captain says:

      Thanks for this information! I felt there wasn’t much truth in the rumour. It is vicious to write publicly crap about the mother of a heavily pregnant woman. Mother that she is so attached to.

      • notasugarhere says:

        But if she wasn’t pregnant, it would be okay? There is no logic in your statement. The extreme nature of that attachment is what causes so much discussion.

        W&K have been in London much less and she’s mostly papped in Berkshire. They are moving to Anmer full time. How often will Charles be allowed/able to see the grandkids now?

        Will W&K take the kids over to Highgrove on the weekends, an 8 hour RT? Or is Charles required to go through Carole the Anmer housekeeper to schedule visits now, and he’ll need to stay at Sandringham? People seem to forget that he has a job to do, one that he cannot delegate as Carole can apparently delegate all of PP. He cannot delegate because his second-in-command (eldest son) has run away and refuses to work for the family firm.

      • bluhare says:

        I should have read further down, nas. I just said the same thing; they aren’t in London much any more so it will be much more difficult for Charles to see him now.

        I’m curious about the heavily pregnant thing too. Why is it crap to say it about a heavily pregnant woman’s mother and not someone else’s?

      • Citresse says:

        And heavily pregnant Kate again this time around must carry a clutch tightly against her body, held just below her belly to give the cameras just the right shots of a clear and obvious pregnancy. It appears to be her narcissistic behaviour at it again knowing people in future could look back at her in an oversize coat/dress and say “no; she’s just fat.”

      • FLORC says:

        She always holds her clutch there. Pregnant or not. This is just how she stands. Not a sign of narcissistic behavior and her body image while pregnant. Though I will say it is noticed more easily when she’s pregnant and does this.
        That seems like a stretch to me.

      • Citresse says:

        OK. Giving benefit of the doubt however.

        I guess a google image search of non pregnant Kate will reveal her purse carrying habit.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Hands crossed at the crotch is a sign of being defensive, nervous, insecure.

      • FLORC says:

        Kate often is standing with hands either clasped together or with something. If not that she’s waving to crowds and being very expressive with them. She’s a hands talker.

        And Nota. Hasn’t is been noted what to do with your hands is a part of “princess training” and the tips royals have received when in public. To not let them hang to the side, but to be aware of where they are etc…
        I remember a well written article with examples of other BR young and old with why they do this and an expert chiming in. It might be nerves and it might be training//advice.

      • notasugarhere says:

        To add, this is how both Kate and William stand a lot of the time. Today’s church photos are no exception.

      • Citresse says:

        I had a quick look- Kate doesn’t clutch her purse under her abdomen non pregnant. She likes other kinds of purses and carries them differently.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Citresse, she almost always clutches something at her crotch (hands or clutch) – not only when expecting. Rarely does she hold a clutch at her side, and when she does, you can usually find a photo of her at the same engagement clutching the clutch to her crotch. If you do an image search for the words kate middleton canada white you’ll find some examples in the first few pictures (complete with taco purse).

    • bluhare says:

      The problem with that is William and Kate aren’t in London often these days. They are based at Amner now.

    • The Original Mia says:

      What other adorable photos did you see? You only mention the christening one, which we’ve all seen, which was taken nearly a year ago. What were Charles and George doing? What rooms were open on the tour?

      • Kori says:

        The christening one was George held up, snuggling with Charles. It wasn’t officially released with the others. The others were more candid snaps of George on the floor in Clarence House and one having a giggle with his gramps. Those are the ones I recall. all the downstairs rooms including Charles’s study are open. Just not the private upstairs rooms. Imagine there are even more photos there but all the public rooms had a lot of family photos, many private and not for publication.

    • Sharon Lea says:

      Kori – Yes, interesting and nice to hear they do get together. I assume they would since William & Harry used to have tea with the Queen regularly.

      Maybe the press is just pitting Carol against Charles in the way he and Diana were written about? Its too bad. How many more stories will we have like this in the next 20 years?

  7. Loopy says:

    They need to stop or have they stopped? The media and worlds press waiting outside the hospital for the second baby. I really don’t see the point on why they have to parade every child as they leave the hospital, what if she ends up having five children? I understand George was their first born but they must leave it at that.

    • Nikki says:

      Oh no, I think there is quite a bit of interest in any royal birth, first or fifth. It is worth it for reporters to camp out.

  8. Elly says:

    I wonder if Carole will do the same for Pippa when she marries and becomes kids? Or poor Rob no what´s his name James? And is Carole still running Party Pieces? Her husband maybe, but she? Seems her job is now to protect and influence her meal ticket aka Georgie boy.

    That reminds me in a twitter post i´ve once read:

    Lol when Carole Middleton comes into work and expects preferential treatment. No.

    • The Original Mia says:

      I doubt she’ll do the same for Pippa & James. Their future spouses won’t be able to get her as far up the social ladder as William & George.

  9. Lama Bean says:

    Amazing how young and fresh she looked just two years ago after having that little adorable muffin.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Standard procedure photoshop the press does when they’re happy with her.

  10. agnes says:

    If that happens, it will be Uncle Gary buying that house. Just like he bought and payed for everything else.

  11. Miran says:

    Yes, if anyone is to blame it’s Will and Kate. Also, by Carole Middleton, so they really mean Uncle Gary will buy them a house?

  12. bettyrose says:

    Sometimes these articles just make me wistful. Living in an English manor with nothing to do all day but drink tea and stroll through the gardens… And have your mother there to pamper you. Meanwhile it’s dark again because of the time change and I’m going to work.

  13. Kelly says:

    I’ve started reading some books on Diana, the princes, and kate/will but I don’t know which ones are more legit. Could someone please recommend one (or a few if you’re feeling kind)? I started around the time of the royal wedding because I didn’t believe the fairytale story and now I can’t stop.

    • Dani Lakes DDS says:

      Hey! I don’t know if you’re just interested in Diana/Will/Harry/Kate, but if you’re willing to go back a little farther, “The Royals” by Kitty Kelly is an excellent read, going all the way back to HM’s childhood, and courtship with Phillip. “The Diana Chronicles” is also really good, along with “Behind Palace Walls” which is about the princes. I actually got that one for free years ago, and read it on a couple of international flights, so I don’t remember how accurate it was, but I remember finding it to be enjoyable. I also quite liked “Kate”, that pretty major biography that cane out a year or so ago, by one of the DM gossip columnists, whose name escapes me right now. It was an interesting read. However, as much as I personally like her, Kate really hasn’t accomplished much on her own, so it seemed a bit premature. But I liked it, nonetheless.

      • Angel says:

        Anything by Lady Colin Campbell is good reading too. She comes down a little hard in Diana but as someone in that world she has interesting insights. “The Diana Chronicles” is good too. I think we will have to wait ten years for all the secrets of now to come out. All the books about Will and Kate are too complimentry, I don’t need scandle but no one is perfect and happy all the time. Plus, there IS some weird stuff going on with where they live and why it changes all of a sudden.

      • bluhare says:

        Regarding Lady Colin Campbell, she *skewered* the Queen Mother in the book she wrote about her. Seriously skewered her. Good reading, and I wondered how much was true. Since she got Diana fairly well, I’m thinking she might not have been too far off the mark.

        Another thumbs up for The Royals too. It was banned in Britain!

      • FLORC says:

        Adding to the reading list!

      • wolfpup says:

        Angel, Lady Collin’s book is currently only on Kindle (IAmazon). I moved a few years ago, and let go of my Diana library, but Collin’s book has info on Kanga that I have not been able to recover anywhere else. I wish that I could back up my past statements about her (Kanga), so if we are ever discussing the topic of Diana’s knowledge of Charles’s, “other lover” (alleged), I hope that you will chime in (the book had some very juicy details).

    • wolfpup says:

      I would start with “Diana, Her True Story”. This is what she believed about HerStory, although some might take exception to her ideas… Remember, a great deal of British reporting has a bias, one is a “royalist” – or not.

      • LAK says:

        Wolfpup: Diana wrote that book when she was in a really dark place in her life emotionally speaking. And we all know how badly she lashed out when she was in a dark corner.

        Consequently, that book sets out to paint everyone she felt had wronged her in as negative a light as possible whilst exaggerating her own malaise. And she wasn’t above fibbing to suit her agenda.

        She came to regret that book, not simply because of the media storm it caused, but because of what was written in it.

      • wolfpup says:

        LAK – fibbing? I’ve read most of the books mentioned here, but not the one that you mention below, by Sarah Bradford. It looks good, and I’ll read it.

    • LAK says:

      For Diana, start with the book written by Sarah Bradford. It is fairly balanced. She’s also written one on HM.

      I’m not sure there is a decent book yet on Charles, but I guess the less sycophantic, though still pushing his agenda, is the one written by Jonathan Dimbleby. There is a new book out which became unauthorised after the fact due to being less than flattering is one by Catherine Meyer.

      For the Princes and Kate, no decent book has been written yet although there are plenty of them. They are all still in the stage of agendas and propaganda. You’ll have to wait for another ten years for a decent balanced book on any of them. Currently, we are reacting to events as they unfold.

      However, the book written by Ken Wharfe who was their bodyguard for ten years might be a decent start on the Princes. It also has some extra, insider information on CD.

    • MinnFinn says:

      Find old copies of News of the World newspaper from 2005 to when they shut down. Litigation discovery revealed (and people paid under the table by NOW admitted) they were hacking Willy and Kate’s voice and email starting in 2005. I forget when they said they stopped. They hacked other BRF members too.

      I’ve never found NOW online archives. You might have to find hard copies.

  14. als says:

    So William’s solution to his toxic family was to bring to the table another toxic family – this man is a moron.
    How is Carole’s ambition of seeing her daughter married to a royal any different from the Queen’s ambition to marry her son to Diana?
    How are the Middleton spoiled, unemployed kids any different from the royal spoiled, unemployed kids?
    How is Carole’s constant presence in her daughter’s family life any different that the Queen’s constant presence in her son’s family life with Diana?
    And the sad thing is that William willingly attached himself to a family that is identical to the one he seems to not give a shit about. Tragic!

  15. The Original Mia says:

    Something isn’t right in the Lamebridges’ marriage. Kate seems to be regressing at the same rate as William’s hair. She’s 33, a mother of one, pregnant with her 2nd and she can’t function without her mother being right there to handle things for her. Not just her household, but her husband. Carole has completely handicapped Kate. And William doesn’t seem to care, as long as he doesn’t have to put up with his wife.

    As for George, Charles is his grandfather. He does have another side to his family. It’s not just Charles he doesn’t see. It’s all of the Windsors. You never see him with anyone outside of Carole. He needs to socialize and be around other children, so he isn’t solely dependent on Carole or Nanny Maria. William may not care if Charles sees George, but he would surely care if Charles cut those purse strings and William had to start paying for his separate life from his beloved wife and in-laws. And what exactly is the point of Carole & Mike buying a home in Norfolk when they are living with Kate at Amner anyway? Do they have to leave when Big Willy comes home?

    I read on RD that Carole and Michael are hiring people to take over their responsibilities at PP. You know they don’t trust Marshmallow James to run things.

    • Betti says:

      I agree – it seems very dysfunctional. Kate was obsessed with William back when she started at St Andrews and it was well known with those who were in her class, she made it her mission to nab him no matter what and she did but the price was high. I still think Kate is obsessed with him, she clearly loves him more than he does her – u can see it when they look at each other. And i think this obsession is prob the reason why Carole or the Nanny is always with PGTips, she’s busy fretting over her husband. Its not as if she’s busy with public duties.

      And keeping him from interacting with his cousins, well that’s just petty and nasty – Zara’s daughter is a similar age as George. It seems that he is being deliberately kept from the rest of the royal family, whether by William’s or Carole’s designs.

      Sometimes i think its not all Willy being difficult – i think Kate is in her to be a ‘mean girl’. She may not have forgiven some family members for berating her and her family over the years.

    • LAK says:

      I must admit that I was looking forward to the annual polo pics of the various royal cousins and their children in Gloucestershire.

      That’s not to say that I’m disappointed with Zara/Peter/The Gloucesters/Wessexes and their kids running around. It would have been nice to see PGtips join the pack.

    • vava says:

      Something does seem odd about the Cambridge marriage.

      I guess if I were Charles at this point I would stop bankrolling their expenses. Let William pay for everything with regard to his family!

    • Bethany says:

      I think Carole and Kate WANT George to be dependent on them. Helps with control. Heaven forbid if they lose that! What Carole doesn’t realize is the cripple she has created with her control of Kate. And it would be a real shame if that innocent little boy ends up the same way.

  16. 30winks says:

    There was a post by Kaiser in Feb. of this year about Camilla.
    One of the quotes that stood out to me was, “Camilla seems to spend less time in Highgrove these days than she did when Charles was still married to Diana.” She likes to have her five grandchildren at Ray Mill, running noisily around the house and the garden. He likes the peace of Highgrove 17 miles away, where he can bury his head in his books and papers, and, of course, work in his garden and have space to himself.

    Me thinks this is a load of BS about Charles wanting to spend more time with George…the only reason his camp may have let this out is to make him look good somehow. He’s not seriously going to be interested in George until he can take him skiing or hunting. Charles just isn’t into little kids, and that’s OKAY.

    • notasugarhere says:

      See point 6 above, as well as the discussion on a previous post about Diana’s “Charles is a bad father” spin and how comfortable Charles is in public with Camilla’s grandkids.

      • Bridget says:

        Someone can love kids and still prefer not to have them underfoot all the time.

  17. 30winks says:

    More power to Carole for having the financial freedom to be with her daughter and family. I wish my family had the means to hang out together all the time. They enjoy a close relationship, and must be discreet, why not hang out with someone you love, and loves you, and you can trust to keep your secrets?

    I’d love to have my mom around more, but we both have to work!

    • Lucky Charm says:

      Me too. I’d LOVE to be able to spend more time with my grandkids, but I have to work full time, and they live almost an hour away. And my parents live an hour in the other direction. I’m seriously considering hiring a housekeeper and a gardener, just so that I can spend more time with all of them. (Spend more time with my family, not the housekeeper & gardener, lol! )

  18. Lucky Charm says:

    If Diana were still alive, then both William and Kate would be working a lot more. For all her faults, Diana had a sense of duty, and was always fully aware that William would eventually be King.

    • 30winks says:

      well said

    • notasugarhere says:

      If Diana was alive, Kate Middleton would never have been in the picture.

      • The Original Mia says:

        Exactly! Diana would have sent that pack running for the hills. Though, I doubt William would have even been at St. Andrews. He would have been encouraged to go abroad to college.

      • Beatrice says:

        Oh Yes!! I always thought that Diana would have dispatched the Middletons with haste. She would have seen right through Carole and Kate.

    • Angel says:

      Yes, I don’t think she would be on board with this nonsense. I actually don’t think she’d be in Kate at all.

    • Betti says:

      If Diana was still around he would’ve married someone else and be a very different person to what we see today. The Middletons would never have gotten anywhere near him.

      • Feeshalori says:

        Oh, yes, Diana’s BS detector would have definitely been out in full force!

  19. Anastasia says:

    You know, I had a sudden pang of sympathy for Kate while reading this. Diana did not have a mother she could turn to when she was 19 and married into the firm, with all its scheming and politics. She might have been better off if she had.

    Your mother is usually the one person in the world you KNOW is on your side.

    I don’t know–I still think Kate is lazy as hell, intellectually incurious, work shy from the word go, and superficial, but I kind of get the mother thing.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Is Carole on Kate’s side or her own? How much of Carole’s personal ambition to climb the social ladder was lived out by (or forced on) her children? William was by all accounts a horrible, cheating, cheap boyfriend who mocked Middleton for her lack of brains. Carole kept throwing her daughter back into that relationship every time William dumped her.

      Is Carole on her daughter’s side? Or is she In It To Win It for herself? Positioning herself as the next Queen Mum, beloved granny and advisor of the future king — W&K be damned?

      • Anastasia says:

        When Carole was throwing Kate back into that relationship, she was an adult, right? Why didn’t she say no?

        I’m not disagreeing with you, and I’m sure Carole is a conniving person, but I think for Kate (who seems easily manipulated), it has become a matter of which one is worse: Carole or the royal family?

      • FLORC says:

        As it is now it appears like this. The BRF does not push Kate. She’s given anything she wants. Even ousting a charity and a couple who ran a business from their home to give Kate the residences she wanted. Renovations covered. Clothes and jewelry covered. And PR to cover for her when she cancels events or abandons her residences.
        Carole raised a daughter that hitched her wagon to William. He treated her poorly and she put her life on hold for him. Carole played the PR angle and funded Kate’s lifestyle to keep up with William.
        If a guy broke up with me or cheated with me and on me I wouldn’t wait around or want him back. And mymother would not support that behavior.
        From these examples and not the PR Fun Midds vs Stuffy Royals Carole seems worse.

      • vava says:

        My impression is that Carole is worse than the royals. In a snide way, though, I think William deserves all this! He’s nothing to write home about, that’s for sure!!!!!!!! I hope Carole does move in with the Cambridges, and I hope she stays a long, long time. ha.

    • bluhare says:

      Diana had a mother at that time. She was just on the outs with her more often than not. Diana’s mother died after she did.

      • DiamondGirl says:

        Diana’s mother ran off when Diana was a tiny girl, so what did it matter if she was alive?

      • LAK says:

        Diana’s mother, Frances, was ran off by their father and her own mother. Let’s not pretend she left them willingly. Lady Ruth Fermoy was a piece of work to side with her SIL against her own daughter in a court of law that awarded custody to the father simply because he was titled. Nevermind that the marriage had been terrible.

        Additionally, the very same Lady Ruth Fermoy sided against her granddaughter, Diana, simply because the opposing side were the royal family.

      • bluhare says:

        Thank you, LAK. Granted they had a difficult relationship from what I can gather, but she did have her mother and I suspect her mom would have supported her. After all, look what happened to her — her own mother threw her under the bus.

        Tell you what, though. This Windsor stuff — even reading how Charles used WIlliam to bolster his own image or that of Camilla — has really made me realize how good my parents were. Even my mom, with whom I have not had the best relationship, and certainly my dad would never have used us like that. Ever.

      • someone says:

        Diana’s mother may not have gotten custody of her but there was no reason she had to move out to the middle of nowhere and not visit the kids when they were young. Diana’s mother seems like she had issues too in addition to being on the receiving end of a lot of anger from Diana’s father and her own mother.

      • bluhare says:

        She lived in London when the children were young. I’ve read biographies of Diana talking about visiting her in London after the divorce.

        Although as I was googling this, I also read she called Diana a whore for dating Muslim men, so there’s that.

    • ArtHistorian says:

      “Your mother is usually the one person in the world you KNOW is on your side.”

      That depends on what kind of mother you have. My mother not so much – but my father is on my side always.

      • bluhare says:

        Yup. That’s how it always was with my folks too. It wasn’t until my dad died that it started to feel like my mother was on my side.

    • Feeshalori says:

      I know this is probably comparing apples to oranges but my 34-year-old niece is dating someone who seems like a real nice guy, but my sister constantly worries that he might be too controlling and her daughter is falling in too easily with whatever he wants to do. Looking at how much my sister is fretting and knowing that people have different styles of parenting toward their children, I still feel there is no way on God’s good earth that any parent who has his or her child’s welfare and well-being in mind would tolerate or support the type of egregious behavior and treatment that William subjected Kate to during their dating years. I would think that as Kate’s confidante and support, her mother would know what William put Kate through and would let her know in no uncertain terms to dump the bum and move on to someone who is more deserving of her. That’s if Carole truly was concerned for her daughter and dispensing sound advice, but instead it seemed that the prize was too great to warn Kate to run for the hills to greener pastures away from the toxic prince. But that’s my take on this.

    • Suze says:

      Diana had a mother *and* two sisters. The sisters at the time were right in London.

      Diana had a tempestuous relationship with her family – as she did with almost everyone, except her sons – but they were around. Diana’s sister was a de facto lady in waiting for quite a long time.

      • wolfpup says:

        The volume, that her sisters had published with Diana’s foundation, is beautiful.

  20. Jaded says:

    I have a feeling Kate is a lot more manipulative than we give her credit for. But in a much more subtle and passive/aggressive way. Like she’s always operating under the radar, in the background, in an unobvious way. And I think she learned at the feet of a master manipulator – her mother. Hence the constant running back to be with ‘mummy’ over everything. The expression “choose your battles wisely” by Sun Tzu comes to mind when I think of her – she’s generally passive and acts as Williams doormat and puts up with his tantrums and probable philandering, then when Carole gives her the go-ahead, she unleashes on him. Weren’t there reports that they were fighting a lot in Mustique?


    • Betti says:

      Yes, she knows how to play Willy that’s for sure. He kept going back to her, makes you wonder why. She has always known how to play the press to her advantage and is still doing it – she keeps throwing out all these Diana comparisons (i.e. the blue polka dot dress when they came out of the hosp after George was born). She’s creating a Diana like image for herself.

      I personally think he went back because of her family (they are a very tight unit), particularly her mother – I’ve always thought Carole filled a ‘mother figure’ gap that Diana left.

    • notasugarhere says:

      As someone calls her, the ultimate nanny wife (coddle, indulge, spoil, SLAP him when he breaks a Big Rule). The cheating during the 10 years was put up with – as long as he didn’t humiliate her in public with it. The one time she was said to initiate the breakup was over that. She didn’t do that again, because she learned William was okay if she walked away.

      LAK, did you track the running home to mummy to incidents when William is publicly caught doing something? First pregnancy, he was off hunting and away from her for a period. She is ‘so ill’ she drove herself past several hospitals to land at a particular one. William met her there he didn’t drive with her. The Middleton pap, Tanna, was there to record the moment.

      William goes hunting with Jecca instead of going to Mustique with the family? Photos of Kate Middleton carrying PGTips and smiling directly into the camera at the airport show up. First pap photos of the baby and William doesn’t protest them? Presto, everybody knows William went hunting instead of going on vacation with his son. Reward, she get two weeks in the Maldives with him solo, no friends or family allowed this time.

      William criticizes her clothing on the AU/NZ tour. She publicly tells people he wasn’t around much for the first six months of the baby’s life. Rumors of him going solo on New York trip start. She’s too ill for Malta, but she’s added to the New York trip– after Jecca was rumored to be going.

      She seems to have a few key rules, but when he breaks them, he pays. He wants to maintain the image of a man desperately wanting a “normal family life” before he has to take on the burden of his role. If he doesn’t have the Middleton’s upholding the image, he has no excuse to avoid royal work. They allow him to hide, he does what he wants, she (mostly) gets what she wants (his status, Charles’s charge cards) and when he strays too far they all bring him to heel.

      • FLORC says:

        No secret there. Kate can be passive to William, but with surely Carole’s help there’s insider tips given to William’s current location and those he’s with to shame him into returning. Calling Jecca his Camilla was so transparent.

        Let’s not forget how Kate lived without William at her parents house right up until giving birth to George. A big deal was being made Kate was there without William and would give birth at the local hospital. Then William swoops in to take her to the planned hospital with no time to spare. Didn’t Tanna have all the details of the accomidations inside the cars and who was there? It was specific and the other reporters on twitter were getting leads from him.

      • Betti says:

        Yep – she uses the media to shame him back to her side and to get what she wants, a trick that seemed to work for her during the GF years. But how long will that little trick continue to have an effect? Given how he is, he will get fed up with the media baiting and it won’t go well for her. She and her family need to stop running to the media with little stories – it only serves to feed the image they have as manipulative social climbers.

        This is not a healthy relationship or environment to be raising children.

      • notasugarhere says:

        FLORC, I forgot about the post-birth story. She, Carole, and baby arrive in Wales. They see a rat. (We’ve seen the photos of the inside of that beautiful home, not buying the rat story.) Kate, Carole, PGTips flee back to Berkshire. If William wants to see his son, he has to go to them. He stays in Wales or goes off with his friends. She tells people he wasn’t around for the first six months.

        Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it, eh? This is like War of the Waleses 2.0

      • FLORC says:

        While I don’t agree with the majority of your thoughts here we do agree on the environment to raise children in.
        William can claim up and down he wants a better life for George and privacy. Him being gone and Kate openly leaking his absence from his family or the Midds on call pap finding him elsewhere surely causes animosity and stress. I believe Kate loves William and she’s not happy when he strays from her. You can fake a smile to a child, but they know when you’re putting on a brave front for them. They known when you’re hiding your sadness. Maybe not why you’re hiding it or what caused it, but they know.

        If William really wanted a better life for George than he had he would be there. Even during his bespoke course he found time for a few vacations, but not to visit his wife and infant son.

        I guess this whole thing supports that theory. Kate only has William and her family. His friends and family are not her’s. She needs Carole because that’s the only person she can go to when William leaves. She doesn’t need house help. She needs consoling and a friend to lean on.

      • vava says:

        @ FLORC,
        I don’t disagree of the assessment of Kate and her situation. Personally, I wouldn’t tolerate that, but I guess she has decided it’s worth it to her. And maybe she’s been pushed in that direction by her mother. If so, I dislike her mother even more than I already do.

    • FLORC says:

      Thoughts on the fighting on vacation. I posted this on that thread, but it’s worth repeating.
      They’re married. Ofcourse they fight. All married couples will fight. It doesn’t mean they’re headed for divorce. The reasons are unknown to us though. Common reasons are money, work, and spending too much time together. Given these don’t apply to them I’m wondering if Kate called him out on something that she had enough with.
      This is why I laugh at so many comments claiming they’re in love and do not ever fight. That’s unrealistic.

      • wolfpup says:

        Most people don’t fuss in public, though. (Diana famously carried a make up bag in her car, to use before engagements, to wipe away tears). That Will and Kate did not make an appearance for Carol’s party, seems like a statement, and rather embarrassing for them, I would think .

      • Jaded says:

        Florc – I’m sure she was calling him out on something; either his spoiled, petulant behaviour or something more serious, who knows, but they weren’t at Carole’s party which speaks volumes. They weren’t just avoiding the common folk or nosy paps, they were having a difficult moment in their relationship. Kate’s got her work cut out for her…she seems to have made a Faustian pact to land the big fish.

  21. anne_000 says:

    “‘It’s very different when William has an argument with Kate,’ reports a figure from their own circle. ‘She’s eloquent and stands her ground.”

    So it’s like Clark Kent & Superman with Kate? Dodo brain in front of everybody else but in secret, she’s a well-spoken, “eloquent” speaker who’s a formidable verbal opponent?

    Carole is going to hold onto these babies like they’re the brass rings she’s sought after since she created life plans for her own kids. Even after Pippa and James have babies of their own, we all know which grandkids are going to take priority and for whom she’s going to drop everything in order to rush to their sides. And of course she’s going to try to spend 24/7 with them and make herself indispensable to them, even to the point of making them unable to deal with life on their own as grown adults. Look what she did with/to Kate, who has no real friends, has no passions and goals besides what Carole wanted, and has to depend on mom for everything, including how to fill the hours of her and her kid’s days and nights, and what to eat and think and how to dress. Recently the DM had a repeat article of how Kate has worn the same clothes as Carole on numerous occassions. Ugh. Imo, the UK is going to have a Crown Prince that has to look over at Grandma Carole to see if he’s allowed to salute the troops or not. It’s going to be that unhealthily close, imo.

    As for Charles… if he’s leaking part of this story about his complaints on George’s time with the Middletons, then is he looking for PR photo-ops of him holding his grandson looking like a benevolent grandfather and is upset that he’s not able to get those types of photos out to the media? Part of me thinks he actually cares about getting these photos out and another part of me thinks that he’s a bit jealous that the Middletons are getting press looking like they are the only ones involved and are the ‘better’ grandparents. But overall, I think he’s OK with George and the next kid spending time with the Middletons, but he’s not happy with the press they’re getting when it makes him look like an aloof and indifferent grandparent.

    As for William… he’s not smart enough and grown enough to play this game of family politics. From time to time, throw your father a bone and let him give the media pics of him holding and playing with George and the new one. And nag the Middletons to stop leaking press about their involvement with the grandkids (which I think they’re doing). Take control over the situation by controlling when your relatives can use your grandkids for their own PR.

    Imo, the Middletons’ alliance with a ‘reporter’ or two is distasteful because their egos make them unable to be discreet. They (or Carole, Pippa, and James) want to be as big a ‘celebrity’ as their daughter Kate is because to them everything is about being seen and known and social climbing.

    • bluhare says:

      Well there was a big production of Kate kissing Charles and Camilla at the church service this morning. 🙂

    • FLORC says:

      To be fair. I think the Midds want to be respected. Not celebs. Although they are celebs. They want to be known for their family. Not their sister/daughter marrying a future King. Not social climbers, but rather a family of high standing. Just like they will take the opportunities offered to them from close relation to BRF, but often say how they hate getting those opportunities because of (specifically) their sister/daughter Kate.

      It’s to bend the ear of my UK friends when they come my way. The majority of them think the Midds are driven social climbers or comparable to reality tv families here with better pr. And that Kate most certainly is a celeb and they don’t care like they think the states care.

      • Betti says:

        Florc – thats a fair assessment but it isn’t quite working out for them. They want to be seen as aristocracy but they don’t have the family history, titles, money and land to pull it off – something that am sure will be rectified when Willy becomes King. Ma and Pa will be made a Lord and Lady and thats probably what their end game it – upper class respectability within the establishment.

        To be fair, her parents keep out of the media spot light – shame her siblings aren’t following that example. They are desperate to be society ‘it’ guys and girls.

      • notasugarhere says:

        It won’t matter if he does give them titles, it will not change how people feel about them. People who championed their “middle class roots” will be angered that they accepted titles. Aristos will be unhappy that the wisteria prevails and will still refuse to accept them. They must have hired that PR company for a reason, but it doesn’t seem to be working out for them.

      • FLORC says:

        Aristocracy and titles do not equal wealth. It did once, but not anymore.
        In time they might get those titles. I’d think William would have to be King and Kate could make it to consort.

        Nota is right. The public (all classes) isn’t overjoyed with the Midds. Remember when it was tossed out there Carole would have a room at KP? There was backlash. Shortly later it was discovered the Midds hired a PR firm to revamp their image. A story where Carole found and returned a lost dog was made and no one bought it. They then went dark again.

  22. Wren33 says:

    I can’t imagine my mild family drama over where to spend Christmas and what grandmother is loved the best, combined with a whole class of people dedicated to spreading gossip and printing stories. What a total non-issue.

  23. FLORC says:

    Well, I doubt the Midds have the funds to buy another home. They barely swung the last purchase and have an inflated net worth. There’s never a vacation that isn’t heavily comped.
    This whole story reads like BS though so no shock there.

    There’s no issue with a mother helping her daughter with or without a pregnancy. That Carole appears to be still raising her 33 year old daughter seems weird. There’s helping and there’s raising. I love my mom. We’re close. We can hang out. She doesn’t need to move in with me or fight my battles, see to my household. That I find excessive and odd.
    And the arguments many pose… Kate has a growing family needs the help. She has a crazy large staff. Her family is always nearby. Do they have to actually move in with her?

    • ilovesunnydaze says:

      I would have loved to have a mother around when I was raising my children. It’s unfair to criticize based on cheap gossip. A mother is one thing, staff another.

      • notasugarhere says:

        If it is “unfair to criticize based on cheap gossip” is it also unfair to praise based on cheap gossip?

        Unfortunately, not everyone’s mother is a positive influence in their life. While it must be heartbreaking to lose a beloved mother, having a bad mother around isn’t a better alternative.

      • ilovesunnydaze says:

        Who’s praising? Who said her mother is bad? That’s why I called it cheap gossip. We don’t know these people or their private lives. Speculation correct? If Carol is a bad mother I don’t think Katherine would want her around. Or William for that matter. I get the impression they’re a very close family. I envy her having her Mother available for advice friendship whatever. My Mom was severely brain damaged and unable to be there for me.

      • notasugarhere says:

        As I said, it must be heartbreaking to lose a beloved mother, and it sounds like yours was lost to you because of a medical condition. I am sorry for that loss.

        There are many ways of being a bad mother. A mother who encourages her daughter to return to a boyfriend who treats her so poorly — not a great mom. When that mother comes from a long line of social climbers and the lousy boyfriend is a prince — suspicious. A mother with three adult children who cannot cut the apron strings — also not a great mother.

        If a mother has raised her children to have an unhealthy dependence on her, spending so much time together would happen. It doesn’t mean there isn’t love there, but it doesn’t indicate a healthy relationship among psychologically mature adults either IMO.

      • FLORC says:

        You’re making my argument. Kate’s situation is not at the same as you. This is however the go to defense. Ignore so much to make the argument oversimplified and as a result creating a different scenerio than the one given. Because often the one given cannot be justified.

        And as far as their private lives you can’t know they are what you say. Fortunately for us and purposes of this subject they have no only lived their lives fairly openly between social media, reporters, paps, and those who are given tips straight from them.

        Nota has made a very strong case that what can appear to be good mother on the outside can hinder their child’s development and ability as an adult to thrive without them.

      • ilovesunnydaze says:

        Florc I’ve been a royal watcher for many years. I read the same gossip as you. I’m sorry but I don’t see the picture you paint. Your whole statement says “I’m right, you’re wrong”. Yes my scenario was different but that doesn’t mean yours is correct. I don’t believe for one second that Carol Middleton would want her daughter with a man who treated her poorly. Willian has said he took his time with Katherine because he wanted to get it right. Google it!

      • bluhare says:

        Right. Google sees all. 😉

      • FLORC says:

        Lol bluhare

        Some here can tell you things don’t stay so easy to find. I have links used on these threads that worked from a year ago that now don’t. Google is fallible.

        Now the history of press manipulation from all involved is well covered. and the tweets too. Also the exclusives given to Midd friendly press. And how Katie N did a 180.
        The story was around for a long time and then was written out by a new version.
        And not long ago there was the new story (via KN) of how William had to almost beg Kate’s parents to accept him to be her husband because they were peeved he left her after taking her 20’s.

        And you make a lot of assumptions here. On top making claims Carole isn’t how I say, but you don’t know her you claim to know what gossip i’ve read? 😉

      • ilovesunnydaze says:

        It’s not gossip. It’s William saying it himself when he was visiting Canada. I have no idea what story you are referring to.

    • plz says:

      @ilovesunnydaze EXACTLY

    • TessD says:

      “Well, I doubt the Midds have the funds to buy another home. They barely swung the last purchase and have an inflated net worth.”
      – that’s what I was thinking. Sure, they are not poor but reports of their net worth have been exaggerated. They are doing okay but they have just bought that huge house for $7 mil, I believe.

    • TessD says:

      FLORC “And not long ago there was the new story (via KN) of how William had to almost beg Kate’s parents to accept him to be her husband because they were peeved he left her after taking her 20′s.”
      – but what leverage could they have possibly had? So they were “peeved,” had every right to be but the guy is royal and could walk away from anybody at any time.
      I have no idea what’s going on behind those walls but I’m positive if Wills didn’t want to marry her he wouldn’t have done it.

      • FLORC says:

        To get your above comment 1st.
        It came out before they bought their current home they have considerable debt. Not business debt which is different.
        That’s where the heavy rumors that Gary might have assisted them or William came out. Also, that William loaned them royal owned furniture that sits in storage. Apparently there is a lot of that.

        And it’s not about leverage. William has always said even early on he would marrry between 28 and 30. And he looked outside of Kate. Girls woud date him, but to marry him is something no one in his circle/level of wealth/titled family wanted.
        Only Kate had shown herself to put up with him, stay by him even when he left her, and would (important part) marry him. During their last break up there was also huge backlash. The tabs turned on William for stringing Kate along for nearly a decade and then partying immediately after the breakup. Like his statement on the pub table to the crowds. William was looking bad.
        In the end she still accepted his ring and he did offer it on his established timeline.
        And as Whitaker said he loved Kate and her family, but as a friend (kate). That he didn’t appear to be in love with Kate. And Whitaker knew his stuff.

        Lastly, sure William could have walked. Though Kate was his best shot at being married though and providing and heir. And that was a bridge he had to cross.

  24. CK says:

    I love the Queen, but King Charles’ rein is going to be deliciously petty, and I am sooooo here for that.

  25. Betti says:

    With all the bad press re: the Mids, except some pap shots of George and Kate or a Wills shaming story. They won’t take the shade from Charles lying down.

    • LAK says:

      The ‘we aren’t fighting’ photos for the media already happened at the Commonwealth service today. Kate/Charles/Camilla making a big production of greeting each other with a kiss.

      Unfortunately, the next set of photos, the two couples are standing as far away from each other as is politely possible, Kate and Charles furthest from each other and looking (including body language) away from each other.

      • FLORC says:

        Does this mean no more shopping trips courtesy of Charles?

      • vava says:

        If I were Charles, I’d cut them off on the shopping, etc. expenses. They want to be ‘regular people’, they can pay for their own d@mned bills.

  26. Mrs.Krabapple says:

    I don’t think William really wants to spend a lot of time with Kate or the baby. And since Kate doesn’t seem to have any friends in the royal family, it’s natural that she runs back to her parents constantly for companionship. Maybe Charles should have encouraged William to wait until he found a woman he truly loved and actually wanted to spend time with? I get that Kate seems to be a “perfect” choice on paper, because she won’t out-shine William, she doesn’t seem to have any thoughts or ideas of her own, she’s willing to be at William’s beck and call, etc. But this is the price to be paid when you encourage your son to marry someone he doesn’t want to spend time with.

    • FLORC says:

      Was William going to find someone he would stay faithful to? Charles wanted another for William. And William loves the Midds. They treat him like he’s made of gold and have no expectations for him. I’m sure he loves that. And the late Whitaker spoke of how William loves Kate and loves her family.
      No matter what William felt entitled in dating. Those who didn’t like it left citing that as a reason. Kate stayed and put up with it. For his behavior he has a wife and soon 2 children.

      • plz says:

        Yes we know you are the all wise on all things royal pffffff you repeat TABLOID stories i dont say they are wrong or not but you say it if it all was the absolute truth. you don’t know that it’s all this source said this, this friend said this all hearsay. we dont nothing of their lives

      • notasugarhere says:

        Whitaker was an insider, acknowledged for years. He made the point of saying that William “loves Kate, loves her very much, but to this day isn’t in love with her.” He trusted her to follow through on this arrangement, and she does to a point. When he strays too far, he’s yanked back and the image of Happy Families is in danger if he doesn’t come running.

      • FLORC says:


        That you think Whitaker was a tabloid writer isn’t a good thing. I think you’re just attacking my comment assuming it’s tab junk because it’s not what you want to read. Also, the other Charles wanted was Cressida’s older and now married sister that wouldn’t date William, but he was said to fancy her.

        Ty. Whitaker had such insight and knew how to speak.

    • Astrid says:

      I recall that Charles was the one who encouraged William to wait and not to rush with the relationship. Wasn’t Charles “blamed” by Kate when William broke up with her during that last big breakup?

      • rosalie says:

        where did you hear/read that??

      • FLORC says:

        That articles was covered here rosalie.
        If you type into the celebitchy archives Kate Middleton it should be in the 1st few pages. Maybe 1st 5 pages.

      • notasugarhere says:

        She was said to tell people at Jigsaw that it was his daddy’s fault. A man who had learned what happens when you marry the wrong woman, trying to give his stubborn son advice. It doesn’t seem like he was against Kate Middleton, he wanted William to be sure this was the correct decision. Charles had purchased them an estate and was fixing it up prior to the 2007 breakup. An estate much closer to Highgrove than Sandringham, btw.

  27. someone says:

    My Dad is a great father and Grandfather but he doesn’t particularly like to play with little kids. So it’s not fair to say the Prince Charles is not a good father or Grandfather if he isn’t playing cars on the ground with Prince George. Meanwhile my mother can play for hours with her grandchildren. If Carole is like that more the better for little George. It’s nice to have a balance of Grandparent types.

    Also – Why does everyone insinuate the William cheats on Kate? Would there not be evidence of this if it were true? How could that not get out to the media – surely someone would sell their story, and I’ve never see one Star magazine type story printed about William cheating.

    • FLORC says:

      William’s ex girlfriends all claim he has a wandering eye and it played a role in the seperation.
      Kate started up with William while he has dating another.
      William was often chatting up other ladies at pubs. As a result Kate was said to cling to his side. Observers said she gave dagger eyes to any girls thinking of approaching. Why if he was just chatting?
      William is the heir. Heirs will always be protected from bad press. In regards to cheating it has been argued it happened so frequently it was hard to squash every story.
      Kate was said to have told Chelsey their (Princes) cheating comes with the territory.
      Kate and William break up over huge fight of his cheating and photos caught in paper article. She was sai to have said it made her look cheap. He said he’s a prince and can do what he likes or something to that effect.

      It’s just a long history of behavior. His exs are the most damning imo. William was known at St. Andrews to be on the prowl single or not. He took vacations where Kate was asked to leave while he kept going (birthday). And all of this did get out at 1 point or another. The press whitewashing took a lot, but a fair amount remained. Also, when something about Wills might come out that is a negative you will see deflection. Much like William’s hunting trip and being away from Kate/bespoke was eclipsed by an old photo of Harry posing with an animal he killed.
      And Star mag? They never get it right. If Star mag ran a story the sun rises in the East and sets in the West I would question my compass.

      • HoustonGrl says:

        I dunno…William seems really boring. He doesn’t give off a “playboy” vibe in my opinion. Maybe he fooled around in college, but you can’t take something he did when he was 19/had been dating Kate a couple of weeks and apply it to today.

      • LAK says:

        Houstongirl: William’s roving eye didn’t stop in college. From time to time stories would drop, with face + name of girls he was fooling around with.

        His circle mostly agree that he has a roving eye. That Prince title + THE son of Diana (for some reason Harry is always forgotten) must work like a charm on the ladies although one of the ladies he chatted up described him as boorish.

        Since the marriage, he has been largely absent. Kate keeps playing media games with him that teleport his absence. We can’t know for sure if he is cheating, but if past behaviour is a predictor of the future, it is a possibility.

      • notasugarhere says:

        The stories have been hidden away. The photographic proof of him taking a girl back to his barracks while he and Middleton were dating. The infamous stairwell video. Too much talk from people in the circle for it to be based in nothing.

      • maggie says:

        Florc you have quite the imagination. Heirs are not protected. The press would love dirt. Remember Chuck and Di fiasco?? I think it’s unfair to make up stories about William cheating.

      • notasugarhere says:

        William has been protected, far beyond the point he should have been, because of the death of his mother. He has been made out to be the golden child while his brother has been sacrificed on the altar of PR to make William look good.

        William’s transgressions are hushed up. Responsible for costume fiasco, helicopter hijinx, reckless driving across an estate, Club H and William experimenting with drugs, not showing up for work, loophole used to get him flying, getting behind the wheel after stumbling inebriated to the car, spending so much time away from wife and kids, etc. All of that swept under the carpet.

        There are many stories out there about this when you look hard enough. The stories about William and his roving eye aren’t made up; they come from inside the set AND public sightings.

      • vava says:

        William’s behavior is pretty well documented, despite his efforts to shush it. So FLORC is not delusional.

      • FLORC says:

        Because you don’t think it’s true does not mean it didn’t happen. There’s simply too many examples where he (at the very least) was not behaving like a taken man.

        And it would be unfair if I was making the whole thing up. I’d also have to plant articles from around the internet. Pay people to claim they slept with him. And sync stories with a lot of people so we get our details correct.

    • Flower says:

      William may think he is safe from exposure, but one day , when a certain segment of the media decides the time is right all these transgressions will suddenly see the light of day, with photographic evidence. You can bet your life Murdock has a very, very fat dossier on Williams indiscretions and I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if the Middleton’s and Kate are assembling their own file in case he decides at sometime in the future that Kate is superfluous to requirements.

  28. Natalie says:

    So, I’m thinking these stories are coming from Andrew rather than Charles and William fighting in the press. That’s why the Beatrice is workshy story came out. This isn’t the new War of the Wales but maybe the Yorks vs. the Wales? Just a thought.

  29. Flower says:

    I wouldn’t be too surprised to learn that Kate stands her ground, I have a friend who is a professional astrologer and she said many years ago that Kate would wear the pants in that partnership, she plays the long game and eventually William will not be able to function without her, she’s smart enough to let William think he is getting his own way in things that don’t really matter to her but when she wants something done her way she gets it. On a different note it’s interesting to watch her interactions with children now, before George arrived she was very stiff and awkward with them, but now she is much more relaxed, I do think she is beginning to learn and ease into the job, not that I think she will ever be a work horse.

  30. rudy says:

    I don’t know much about Kate and Wills, but I do know that Kate is BLESSED to have a mother who wants to help. How is it possible for anyone to diss this?

    So many people in this world, including me, have no mother to assist with anything in life and never did. This does not mean my mother died or left the family. She was just emotionally unavailable and still is. She never should have had kids. She taught me how to hate myself and how to worry about everything.

    If Kate’s mom wants to run the household and help with the kids,more power to her. If kate LOVES that her mom is helping, then that is ab fab.

    If Caroline is around more because William is absent and on the prowl, that is sad but does not contradict the how blessed Kate is with her parents. She went into this marriage eyes wide open, so Kate obviously knows that Wills is a player. Too bad for George.

    • bluhare says:

      Well that just about made me cry. I’m really sorry your mom wasn’t able to give you anything. My mom isn’t perfect, and we’ve had our issues, but I understand her better now than I ever did. When she had me she wasn’t in a good place, but she did her best. I wish you had a mother who could have given you more.

    • DaysAndNightsOnAir says:

      @ Rudy

      I am sorry to hear about your relationship with your mother.

      Nevertheless I would like to point out that it is possible that Carole didn’t consider Kate’s happiness when she encouraged her daughter to continue a long-term relationship with Prince William and then even marriage. Kate doesn’t seem like a mature adult but she seem to be kept upright by forces around her an a silly idea of social climbing. I am not sure if I would consider the mother of such a woman to be a good mother.

    • FLORC says:

      That’s a tragic situation. I got teared up reading it and thought about my response.
      Because a person has a mother that appears interested in their child’s life doesn’t mean they’re a good mother and blessed to have that.
      History is littered with examples of mothers that apeared to be the rock their daughters clung to in hard times. Their protectors. Then the veil is lifted and we learn about abuse, dependency, and forms of neglect.

      Kris is a current good example. She’s taken an interest in her daughters lives. She supported them through their father’s passing. Found a good man to be their step father and a good influence. It could really be spun that Kris was a good mom with the right pr. Tape aside and her shameless promotion at the humiliation of her family could look good. But I really don’t want this conversation to drift that way.

      A big part of a mother is to care for her children. Make sure they make the right choices and become good people. And to survive and thrive when the mother passes. And it doesn’t look like Kate could thrive without Carole. In truth that family owes so much of their fame and fortune to a relationship forged from Caroles daughter landing a right husband and putting up with poor treatment from him.

      I love my mother and late father. I love that they taught me how to survive in the world and gave me a strong moral compass. That when I cried for a week after my first bf cheated on me that how could he respect me if I couldn’t respect myself enough to not put up with that behavior. I’d be shocked if Carole told Kate that.

  31. Patty says:

    There is nothing wrong with being close to your mom. But there does come a point when it becomes odd and co-dependent. And I think Kate and Carole Middleton have a very strange and co-dependent relationship.

    It is one thing to rely on help from one’s mom during very specific periods, but these two are like constantly attached at the hip. Kate seemingly has no friends of her own and it is pretty much common knowledge that Wills social circle doesn’t like her; that is scary and not healthy. I think Kate’s problem is that she never developed her own identity, almost as soon as she got to St. Andrew’s she was after Wills and he became her life and her identity. It is sad really.

    She never really got to be Kate. Independent from her family or from Wills. She never forged her own identity.

  32. wow says:

    It makes me smh whenever people start with the “things would be different if Diana were still alive” bit. There’s no way to know that. Who’s to say she would not adore Kate? She probably would dote on Kate and enjoy having her as a daughter in law because she has been in the exact same situation, minus a husband who loves her. People assume that their marriage would never have happened “if Diana were alive today” when it could have been just the opposite…Diana probably would have been extremely supportive of Kate and her family.

    I’m still not buying this Charles story. If he really wanted to see his grandson more there is absolutely nothing to prevent it. Oh but according to these sources Charles doesn’t want to have to “ask” o see him. *eye roll* If that has any truth to it, then he is just having a hissy fit and making dumb excuses.

    The Middletons shouldn’t have to apologize for being close and supportive to their daughter and her family, nor for being involved grandparents and good grandparents their first grandson. Charles is being p*ssy because he didn’t have that growing up and it shows.