Madonna on her marriage to Guy Ritchie: ‘There were times I felt incarcerated’


I’ve always wondered about Guy Ritchie and Madonna’s marriage. How did it work for so many years, and what was the final straw that led to divorce? Does it hurt Madonna to see Guy move on with such a fertile new partner (Jacqui Ainsley)? Well, as Madonna’s surprisingly interesting publicity tour for Rebel Heart continues, she’s talking more about her marriage to Guy. Some assorted quotes:

Her marriage to Guy: “I did sometimes find myself in a state of conflict. There were times when I wanted to express myself as an artist in ways that I don’t think my ex-husband was comfortable with. There were times I felt incarcerated. I wasn’t really allowed to be myself.”

She’s not anti-marriage: “It doesn’t mean marriage is a bad thing. But if you’re an artist, you’ve got to find someone who accepts who you are and is comfortable with that.” Asked if she would ever marry again, the singer simply replied, “Never say never”.

Willing to compromise: “I think when you get married you have to be willing to make a lot of compromises and that’s fair enough. I think that’s the way it goes in relationships.”

Sexism & dating: “It’s OK if Mick Jagger dates a 25-year-old girl but if I date a 25-year-old man I’m, you know… it’s ridiculous. It’s so unfair, I mean, I don’t get it.”

[From Hello Magazine]

Well, actually, we DO think Mick Jagger is ridiculous for dating a 25 year old. Just like we think Madonna is ridiculous for her baby-faced dancer boyfriends. I roll my eyes at those kinds of age differences in every couple, regardless of whether the woman is older or the man is older. As for what she says about Guy… I don’t know. Was he making her feel “incarcerated” or was she trying to become a different person to please him? I remember during their marriage, Madonna adopted the “Lady of the Manor” shtick and tried to be more demure and conservative. Did she do that on her own or because Guy expected it from her? Eh.


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  1. Cecada says:

    My impression was always that she didn’t want the marriage to end, she just wanted her cake & eat it too. I think she’s bitter because he stood up to her and called her on her bs. But, who knows.

    • Maria says:

      i agree and he took her money instead of just walking away. she isnt used to people standing up to her. her boytoys wouldnt do that to her, thats why she loves them.

      its also very telling that she tries to put the controlling on him instead of herself, very common in abusers.

    • MooHoo says:

      Wasn’t he quite homophobic (see Madonna’s brother’s book) and not keen on Madge’s mates at the time (Rupert Everett etc – see also Rupert’s book)? I imagine he is pretty macho and is an artist but not in the same way that Mad is – hence uncomfortable with what she does – I mean we all laugh at her at times don’t we? She takes herself very seriously. I am sure she is sad the marriage broke down as anyone would be in these situations.

      • Jayna says:

        He was homophobic, and the diversity of people in Madonna’s life changed when with Guy. Even Rupert Everett said that in his book, how it affected her relationship with Chris, her gay brother, but also that a whole aspect of Madonna’s life disappeared, those she had surrounded herself with all her life as a musical dance artist, that, as Rupert said, were the fabric of her life, the more flamboyant gay friends, because of Guy’s discomfort with her more obvious friends.

        Her brother said in an interview that on one of the tours earlier in their marriage he noticed not one of her male backup dancers was gay, and that that was unheard of and was telling how much she changed to be with Guy.

      • MsMercury says:

        Her brother spilled so much tea on her I just love it. I think he was the one that said everyone of his siblings had to buy their own plane tickets and pay for their hotel rooms to go to her Wedding in Scotland. And yes from what I remember Guy was super homophobic and controlling. I’m sure he was emotionally abusive.

      • Ally says:

        Wasn’t the deal breaker when she injured herself horse-riding and was laid up, and Ritchie did nothing much to help/support her through that?

        I don’t know who to root for. They both seem like jerks (which we know she likes, because Sean Penn).

  2. The Other Maria says:

    Hmmm, Guy is an artist as well, he crafts films and makes good ones too (mostly).

    Madonna is getting on my nerves more than usual these days.

    • Pandy says:

      Exactly. What an ego – she’s the only artist! I think Madge was hitting her perimenopause years with Guy and wasn’t dealing with the changes well. So much easier to blame him for caging her rebel heart …

      PS: I am in menopause so I’m not hating on women here or anything lol.

    • Bridget says:

      That wasn’t what she was saying. She was saying that he wasn’t comfortable with her work as an artist – that an artist needs to find a partner that is comfortable with their professional role as well as their personal roles. And Guy Ritchie most definitely wasn’t comfortable.

      • Fritanga says:

        Which is why I think her claiming that she felt “incarcerated” is highly ironic – HE’S the one who wanted out. I can’t imagine what his life was like with that narcissistic harpy (now crone). She’s always been awful.

  3. adelia says:

    She went after him; she used the pregnancy to “trap” him. Madgie is responsible for the mess she made. Not that I think much of him either.

    • minime says:

      wow “pregnancy to trap him”….hello 2015!!!
      I’m not a huge fan of Madonna but that kind of bull**** of pregnancy trap is idiotic. Men have enough information and tolls to take care of not making babies too.

      • TheOnlyDee says:

        Never go on a Benedict Cumberbatch post on here, then. You will have a rage stroke!

      • ell says:

        this. and the suggestion to never go on a ben cumberetc post here is a good one, as it’s packed full of these sort of comments. they do my head in, and it’s ridiculous that other women are the ones perpetuating this idea. that’s why we need feminism.

      • minime says:

        ye….I usually try to stay away from Cumberbatch posts and others that should not be named..too much cray cray

        @ ell
        So true!! As you said below, it’s always this speech with women with a strong public persona/successful (like you said Goop and the other guy). Why should men be seen like poor little victims in those cases? They enter in a relation well more informed than in a normal situation, what should already reflect their personality. I’m sure Guy Ritchie is just as insufferable as Madonna! In the end he was the one making big bucks and bigger fame out of their marriage…so there’s that also.

      • Harryg says:

        So true.

      • Sabrine says:

        She “trapped” him with pregnancy? That’s a new one, and it didn’t happen.

      • Lauren says:

        Madonna doesn’t need to trap anyone.
        She had to pay Guy a settlement when they divorced.
        M. Is always the breadwinner in all her relationships. Recently I read she is worth over 800 million dollars! !!

        Madonna is a hard worker, astute businesswoman ,and sometimes a difficult egomaniac.
        I still love her. Admire her ferocity.

      • June says:

        It may be 2015 but aren’t you aware there are some women who tell men they are on the pill and aren’t. Yes Men have responsibility too but if you are in a relationship and the woman says she will take care of the contraception what are men supposed to do. It’s called trust.

    • Artemis says:

      Uh no, they met through Trudi Styler and Sting (at a dinner party).
      Ritchie who was a relatively unknown director was impressed with Madonna and she was curious about him. He dumped his girlfriend of 7 YEARS so he could date her. But distance separated them for close to a year, a year in which they communicated a lot through letters and phonecalls. After that they moved pretty quickly but nothing suggest that she trapped him, Madonna always wanted to have more children, I don’t doubt that he knew that.

      Also his (young) girlfriend now also got pregnant pretty quickly, Did she also trap him?

    • Pinky says:

      Yet another poor guy snared by the old pregnancy trick huh? Please!

      • ell says:

        yeah, apparently men have no responsibility for their sexual lives at all. bless.

      • Santia says:

        Poor dears! How horrible to have no choice in whether to have sex with someone and have no choice in whether to use protection when having sex with said someone and have no choice in whether to marry the person if they happen to get pregnant. Let’s get some legislation in place to protect the poor men!

    • enike says:

      Adelia, sorry for the personal question: did you trapped your husband with a pregnancy? Or you planning to?
      Just that you know so much about it, how it is “done”

    • bns says:

      Embarrassing comment.

      • Crimson says:

        I don’t know why everyone is bonkers over the trapped comment. It’s well known that Guy had left the relationship and Madonna was eager to get back with him. She pursued him, they got back together, she got pregnant and he made the choice to do what she wanted – which was to get married. Maybe trapped isn’t the word I’d use, but rather leverage to get Guy to marry her. As one long time observer said, Madonna is at heart a good Catholic girl who wanted to be a mother and wife.

    • GByeGirl says:

      Financially, it seems like maybe he tried to “trap” her?

  4. Elisabeth says:

    tell that story walking, Madge…no one gives a turd

  5. Darkladi says:

    Oh cut it out, Madge

  6. Brin says:

    I’m sure he felt worse but is too classy to say.

    • Triple Cardinal says:

      Exactly. I wonder how HE felt during that marriage.

      • Bridget says:

        We know exactly how he felt during the marriage. He was unhappy that he wasn’t the star. He married the most famous woman in the world and while it appealed to his macho pride to have her at his side he couldn’t handle that she was the ‘star’ in the relationship. Guy Ritchie is kind of a jerk – which if you’ve seen his super macho movies, isn’t really a shock.

      • ell says:

        it’s because when women are successful they’re always evil witches, and the men who marry them are funny bumbling idiots. it annoys me when people say about chris martin and gwyneth as well, he’s just as insufferable as she is, I don’t get why people act like he’s been liberated.

      • The Other Katherine says:

        Bridget, EXACTLY. Guy Ritchie has some talent as a director, but he is, and always has been, an asshole.

      • NGBoston says:

        I agree with. Bridget’s comment. Spot on.

        Also, IMOO- it seems to me both Madge and Ritchie are Type A control freaks with similar cases of Narcissitic. Personality Disorder, or should we say strong traits.

        Usually not a compatible match. This is because, at the end of the day, 2 control freaks together does not usually work. I do believe they loved each other once, or at a minimum there was an intense attraction. I was bummed when they split…I thought someone like Ritchie would not take Madge’s BS.

        I do love Madonna and have since I was in college in the 80’s…but let’s be frank….Madge is a control freak and My money says probably not the easiest woman on the planet to live with.

    • Artemis says:

      He’s not classy at all. He claimed that he didn’t want her money but he took a HUGE payout from her. Her publicist came out with that info after false reports (from his ‘sources’) that he didn’t take a dime.

      While he never went on record to bash her, lots of ‘sources’ were running to tabloids to reveal things about Madonna’s lifestyle, things that were really meant to hurt her as it was mostly about her age (how she looks) and her work ethic (poor Guy couldn’t live with a workaholic). But she was good enough to fatten his bank account at the end.
      Then he complimented her during an interview saying he still loved her to end with ‘but she’s retarded too’. But when she said something like that about him during her show, people tore her down for it. She (and sources) were much kinder than he was.

      Then there is speculation that he mistreated her. Such as, when she fell off her horse, he apparently was more like ‘oh she’s a tough girl, she’ll manage’ instead of a caring husband.

      At the end of the day, he knew he married Madonna, not some wallflower whose existence revolves around a man. She supported him and loved him, and her albums (pre and post-breakup) revealed she was devoted to him and crushed by the divorce. I don’t think it’s fair to sympathize with him just because she’s Madonna.

      • Pinky says:

        Precisely. He married her. He stayed with her. He had kids with her. And unless he had been living under a rock for two decades he knew Madonna was a strong personality. He is no more a victim than Chris Martin was with Gwyneth Paltrow. How strange that people keep insisting otherwise.

      • Jayna says:


      • TheOnlyDee says:

        I know Madonna has quite the reputation for being a difficult human being, but I have always gotten the impression that Guy Ritchie is a jerk. He is no victim.

    • Bridget says:

      Um, surely you jest. Guy Ritchie isn’t the height of class.

  7. paola says:

    The last straw was when she faked that horrible english accent. She sounded ridicolous.
    I would have asked for a divorce for that reason only!

    My god. Can you imagine getting married to such an egomaniac and attention seeker hanging to her youth with her hands and claws?

  8. lily says:

    I would rather hear her talk about her marriage to Sean Penn.

    • enike says:

      Lily, me too! I think she really loved Sean (she said so in some Madonna-movie, long time ago – obviously before Guy, but after the divorce from Sean – something about Sean beeing her love of the life)

      Actually, I think, she really loved both of her husbands and most of her boyfriends

      • NGBoston says:

        LOL@ the loving most of her bf’s part, I’m sorry —sincerely funny.

        I agree she loved both Penn and Ritchie. And, Carlos Leon. Which is Lourdes Anzio- Father and the one she should have married. IMOO, she did not at the time she got pregnant for 2 reasons:

        1. Carlos wasn’t interested in marriage at the time
        2.. Neither was Madonna. At that point in her career- also…marrying one of her Personal Trainers/Dancers would not have been up to Madge’s standards at the time. You know, as an “Artist” …marrying another person who is a PT or Dancer or Artist just is not a good match. (Translation: CL was beneath Madge’s social status).

  9. Calcifer says:

    She might have felt incarcerated during her marriage, but I think she was really at her most beautiful ever during those years. Also, she somehow looked really ‘right’ for her age (forties) back then… which is the most elegant look in my opinion.

    • sills says:

      Came here to say this, she looked GORGE in those photos with guy. Just lovely. She could’ve chosen to age more naturally–she’s got a great figure, nice bone structure, takes care of herself–but she went the plastification route and I find it sad. I think it’s much more rebellious to age naturally than to freeze your face the way society (men?) think it should look forever.

  10. hadlyB says:

    Madonna was fertile as well over the years. Very. She just only kept 2.

    Wow, her face really changed over the years with him as well.

  11. Sofia says:

    I’m so tired of overly dramatic celebrities making ridiculous statements; being photographed is like ‘rape’, not being able to express yourself is like ‘incarceration’. Nothing in your extremely privileged lives is anything like any of those horrendous things, you sound like an ass.
    There is no suggestion this marriage was abusive, Madonna could have left at any point.

  12. Remember says:

    Guy wanted to tame a lion.

  13. Jessica says:

    Ronnie Wood got a ton of criticism for dating that young Russian model, and for marrying his current wife (who’s in her mid-30’s). Part of that was because he wasn’t just dating young people, it looked like he himself was trying to be 25.

    Madonna has the one two punch of dating guys young enough to be her children, while trying to look and act as young as people her children’s age. It adds an extra layer of desperation into the mix that naturally draws a lot of extra criticism. If Mick Jagger starts dating a 25yr old AND get’s a lifetime supply of fillers pumped into his face in one go, begins flashing his butt at every opportunity and releases an album of tracks Justin Timberlake rejected, he’ll get piled on too.

  14. lisa2 says:

    Her marriage to Guy reminds me a bit of Gwyneth’s marriage to Chris. They (women) were very different after the marriages.. low key and very for lack of a better word (conservatively married). Then when the marriages were ending they both (women) changed or became different in a way. Madonna kind of went back to what she was doing when she was much much younger.. and Gwyneth became GOOP.

    Maybe it was being married to Englishmen or something; because they both kind of adopted that English accent or essence; Madonna more so.

    • Maria says:

      and both women came across as more being into the idea of being with an english man instead of actually loving the person.

    • ell says:

      gwyneth has had goop for a very long time, it’s not new.

    • Michelle says:

      Not to stick up for Madonna or Goop obnoxiousness but when you are around English accents or any strong accent all the time its normal for you to adopt it. Its called linguistic accommodation. It occurs subconsciously, with people because they are responding to what they hear. My husband is British when we visit there for more than two weeks it happens to me, I hate it.

      • ell says:

        and does your husband take your american accent (I’m assuming you live in the US)?

      • Michelle says:

        actually he has lost his British accent a lot and he has picked up a Texas accent ow He sounds kind of like a waterdowned Aussie. When he goes back to visit he picks it back up but most English people don’t think he is a Brit when they hear him speak.

      • Ennie says:

        Some people get the accents much faster than others. They have a natural ability for it, and believe me, it is not forced. Some people try to do it forcefully, but for some it is just natural, you do not realise how fast you pick the accent.
        Others, can spend years and speak practically the same 🙂

      • Trashaddict says:

        Haha my cousin, based on various places she lived, when from Jersey accent to Virginia drawl to New York fast-speak. It was not intentional.

      • GByeGirl says:

        Yes, my husband gets a Texas accent whenever he drinks.

  15. Maya says:

    People seem to forget that Guy got a pretty good alimony from Madonna.

    Since we critize ex wife’s for huge underserving ali monies – we should critize the men as well.

    • maria says:

      Wasn’t that mostly for security for the kids when they are with him + fly tickets?

      • Bridget says:

        He tried to make it sound like he didn’t accept anything from her, when in reality he got a big chunk of money. Does that sound like security for the kids?

      • LAK says:

        No. It was out and out big cash and big house payment. Something post £40M + London AND country houses.

        He bragged about how he’d become rich off the divorce!!!

      • enike says:

        I think he got their pub (Punchball or something)

  16. megs283 says:

    On the subject of compromise – when my husband and I were dating, I said something like “I hate compromise – both sides lose!!!” Marriage can be hard on decisions because there are a lot of compromises. For example, I love purple, he loves green, we end up painting our bedroom yellow. I think marriage is a constant balance between giving the person you love their “way,” them giving you your “way,” and meeting someplace near the middle when you can.

    That said – I love my husband and my marriage and would never compare it to an incarceration!! FFS!

  17. Maria says:

    i dont know in what kind of world those women live who actually think older men are celebrated when they date way younger women. the least insulting comments are usually “no fool like an old fool”

    lets make it clear Madonna is not capable to date an equal. i cant really blame her because people have been bending over backwards to please her and cheered for her while other way more talented singers never had as much success as she had. a toyboy gives her what she needs, superficial attraction and no standing up for themselves. if they dare to speak back to her they’ll get thrown in the trash and a new guy gets picked up somewhere else.

    i guess that applies to most celebs. if basically everyone around you treats you like a demigod you must think your spouse is a horrible person to lay down some rules and have their own demands.
    like a child who doesnt get what it wants but with all the money and power in the world.

  18. LAK says:

    Guy Richie is an A******!!! (excuse my french)

    He was super controlling, and wasn’t shy about the fact that he would insist on his way. When they were first together, he made no bones about what being with her would do for his career, but he also insisted that he wanted a demure, conservative type wife. Madonna, at that time, gave all these interviews about how it was a relief to have someone else take charge.

    The marriage worked as long as she was less. And she was. Hence the ‘lady of the manor’.

    And the A******* got a huge settlement after the divorce AFTER giving lots of interviews during the marriage saying he would never take a penny from her. He actively bragged about his settlement.

    He married Madonna for money and career, even if the career wasn’t so stellar during the marriage, and is now with the type of demure girl woman he was with, and clearly always wanted, after the marriage.

    He may have not been physically abusive like SP, but to me Guy was much worse because he was unashamedly emotionally abusive to her.

    And the shocking thing was that Madonna allowed herself to be reduced during that relationship. And rolled over to hand him that settlement which is the foundation of his current wealth.

    • Ashley says:

      The last sentence in your first paragraph is why I question her motives. She knew exactly what he was like and she enjoyed that. It’s diff when one is blindsided or people change over time. If you change who you are to please someone else or “win” something you seek- you need to take responsibility for your actions not place blame on others.

      • Bridget says:

        That’s a pretty unfair statement. Madonna has always been more than fair about Guy Ritchie after their split, and she’s not throwing blame anywhere. But he is definitely not a saint, and it’s no secret that he wasn’t particularly nice to Madonna. So instead of blaming her, how about we ask why he was such a controlling a***** in the first place?

      • Trashaddict says:

        But that happens so often. The very thing that attracted one to a partner in the first place, is the thing that gets insufferable eventually. She was used to being in charge, someone comes along who is a take-charge person, who seems competent, and she can relax and not be in charge for once. But since she’s a natural-born leader, butting heads with that can get annoying after a while. Totally understandable dynamic. But really sad in how it plays out.

    • MooHoo says:

      agree with it.
      i mean, who is going to turn down the chance of a relationship with Madonna. He must have known what she was like before he married her but weighed it all up: money, fame, she’s hot vs. she is difficult and bossy, and decided to dump his long-term girlfriend and go for it. I am sure she also critically and pragmatically weighed up being married to him before she took that step – although I do wonder that she didn’t insist on a pre-nup, or a better pre-nup. didnt he walk away with GBP 30 or so??

      • Ashley says:

        @bridget That’s my point. They both knew what the other was about from the beginning. Relationships aren’t perfect neither are people. But she did decide to change to accommodate him. Why do that? Especially when you are Madonna!

      • Bridget says:

        @Ashley: who knows? Perhaps after decades of being the alpha it seemed like fun to play Mrs. Ritchie. And it’s not like controlling men start out that way right off the bat in new relationships.

      • Kitten says:

        Yeah but Ashley, you’re talking about someone changing as if it happens overnight. Sometimes in a relationship you love someone so much and so greatly desire to make them happy that you make compromise after compromise in order to ensure the success of the relationship. It’s only in hindsight that you have the perspective needed to see that on a cumulative level, those compromises resulted in you changing as a person. Meaning, you gave up a huge part of yourself to the point that you didn’t feel like *you* anymore.

        This is not an unusual thing to happen in a relationship, it’s not unique to Madonna. This is actually really common.

    • Imo says:

      No saints here although I think Ritchie was the worst offender. He wanted the cache and reflected glory of being Mrs. Madonna and she wanted ye olde English lifestyle with country houses, riding to hounds and posh friends nipping round for tea. Business contract gone awry. But I do believe Madonna was thrown off balance by the extent of Ritchie’s true, selfish personality. For this reason I feel badly for her.

  19. vauvert says:

    I remember how big of a fan I was back in the eighties. Sigh. All she makes me now is feel sad, with the grills, the face work, the ass baring and the idiotic black Madonna, white Kanye crap. Look lady, we age, we no longer have dewy skin, glossy hair, pore less noses and plump rosy lips. We also date men, not boys, walk more confidently, speak more articulately, have friends and kids and homes and do our taxes – because we are now adults not twenty something youngsters anymore. And that’s ok. Those wrinkles are earned but my face has character, and there is nothing wrong with putting my legs under a nice pencil skirt with a pretty top that covers my chest. I can still be attractive, thank you, without putting it all on display, it is called having dignity, and recognizing that nothing on this earth will make any of us looking like we did at twenty, regardless how much money you spend.
    Bashing your ex? Listen, you looked good and acted decently during your marriage, that’s all I know… And if you had no idea that marriage requires compromise then you had no business being married. Of course it bloody does, he is your partner not your paid boy toy or maid or manager. I wish she would stop talking now, I don’t even want to listen to her music anymore. Ugh.

    • MooHoo says:

      while I think the ass flashing was a bit much – I think anyone, at any age, who had pulled a stunt like that – comes off looking ridiculous – whether 55 or 25. I dont think she is on the pulse anymore, as she was for most of her career, but hey, what else is she going to do? She’s happy. Let her off and enjoy herself.
      and as for men. Geez, have you seen any guys in their late 40s and 50s lately? Or even in their late 30s? Not exactly taking care of themselves. So maybe she likes athletic young types and why not?
      Bet if Angelina was to dump Brad and take up with some young fella in her late 40s people here would be cheering her.

      • vauvert says:

        I think she could go the classy Annie Lenox way, but whatever works for her. She doesn’t strike me as happy. But if she is, good for her, I am sure she doesn’t give a fig about the loss of one disappointed fan, LOL. I have no opinion on her ex either way, it sounds like he is/was no gentleman, but as someone else said earlier, I have had it with the hyperbolic comments: marriage as near creation, paps as rape etc. Any celeb can live a quiet life if they want, the first step is shutting up and stop feeding the media.
        As for attractive men, maybe I am fortunate, but my 45 year old hubby is as hot now as he was 14 years ago, (and I mean way hotter than even most men we see on CB daily), in super shape. More than that, in our group of friends, all married though, most guys (and they are all various races, ethnic groups) are very good looking and take awesome care of themselves. Maybe it is a Canadian thing? But if I look at our Christmas parties pics – they all look good, they ski, they play hockey, tennis, run so I am not buying the argument that men over 30 don’t look good. maybe they’re taken, that’s a different story, and I haven’t looked at single guys in a long time to know what’s out there, but I still believe that going for a young thing who could be your kid, whether you are make or female, is demeaning.

      • Andrea says:

        Funny you say that because my boyfriend is super good looking in great shape at 38 in Canada and all my friends boyfriends/husbands are aging poorly and in poor shape. I thought a lot of Canadian men let themselves go like Americans (since I am originally from America). must be the province you live in. ha

    • MooHoo says:

      @ Vauvert: You must give us the address of the Valhalla of 40-something guys who are still really hot. Not arguing that there are men who still look good at that age, but personally, I don’t see many guys in their late 40s or early 50s who I, personally, am attracted to, and I live in a cosmopolitan, rich European city. Maybe it is an individual thing.
      People say dating someone who is so young is demeaning. But who is it demeaning for exactly? For Madonna herself? Doesn’t seem to bother her or humiliate her in any way. It is her choice. But it is a problem for other people and I wonder why they are so offended by it. My best friend is in her 40s but most of the men who chat her up are in their 20s. She appeals to younger guys. But society frowns on this combination of young guy, older girlfriend.
      When people throw out the comment “dating someone as young as your kids”, it is a throwaway remark that packs a punch as as it implies, that someone that young is a kid themselves and someone 20 or 30 years older shouldn’t be with them. Someone in his 20s may be close in age to one of Madonna’s kids, but this doesn’t make him a kid. He is an adult and knows what he is doing.
      I think we should be less judgy about this – particularly as women ourselves. Life can be tough enough being single, but if someone is happy with someone younger, who cares? Let them off.
      Also, it is Madonna we are talking about and she can do no right I sometimes think (and I am critical of her too at times – especially when you schlepp to a concert, spend all day waiting for her to appear and then she doesn’t do an encore). No one says much when it is someone considered cooler who is dating a younger person e.g. robin wright or Joan collins and percy gibson (okay that last one said with a smile).

      • Lisa says:

        Younger men can also perform better in the sack and women shouldn’t be considered perverts to pursue younger partners for this reason. Maybe she has a high sex drive.

        Part of the sexism has been due to a lack of research on male fertility as well which does decline significantly with age. Several studies have found women, particularly as they age, have much better luck getting pregnant by younger partners, they will get pregnant faster and they are at a lower risk for a miscarriage because of higher quality sperm. It’s a shame it took them decades to finally do these studies.

      • NGBoston says:

        Moo- very well stated. As you point out— no matter what Madge does she always gets critiqued.

        Madonna can date who she wants, flash her taut and perky ass if she wants, and show off her girls, too. It does not offend me as a woman in the least.

        Now, if she were a straight up pedophile like Woody Allen or Uncle Terry…or was abusing and raping other non-consensual adults like Bill Cosby, I personally have an issue with any of that.

        It’s a damn double standard as we all know. Men are allowed to date much younger women and perhaps an eyebrow is raised here or there or he gets a few looks or comments. When a female does it, she is vilified. Sexism, anyone? It is blatantly sexist and just a total crock of sh*t, IMOO.

        Go, Madonna! You do YOU, Girl.

  20. Jayna says:

    That marriage was always hard work. Even the brother that wrote the tell-all about Madonna didn’t like Guy, thought he was very homophobic, and it seemed like Madonna was always “working”on her marriage and was different with him. She tried to take the back seat so he wouldn’t feel so threatened by her fame and power and wealth. Remember the whole Mrs. Ritchie thing. I think he’s a bit of a misogynist with women and, yet, he ended up with Madonna, who is a control freak. Careerwise, I think egowise he couldn’t handle being in her shadow or being perceived to be in her shadow, and eventually Madonna couldn’t quash her big ego.

    How they lasted as long as they did is a wonder, but I think in their own ways they both really tried and also did it for the kids.

    When Madonna fell off of her horse and had her injuries, that was the beginning of the end. She said she had never been in so much pain and was bedridden for months. Guy wasn’t sympathetic nor empathetic. He had only ever seen her strong, not dependent. He basically wasn’t there for her, the same way Sharon Stone really described her ex-husband when she was bedridden from her brain hemorrhage. I think Guy’s actions during that time hurt Madonna and showed the writing on the wall and Guy was probably already checking out emotionally anyway. It just showed up more then.

    Guy said would never go after Madonna’s money when they were divorcing. He was all macho. Then, oops, guess what, he did. He dd go after it. Guy got like between 76 million and 92 million dollars it’s been reported. Madonna was bitter about that. Hence, her song, Love Spent, pretty much saying did he love her for her money; would they have lasted if she had a joint bank account with him. Pretty telling. She also wrote a song back then calling him her best friend. Divorce has you feeling two different ways, and I think both caught the clashing of feelings, one, feeling used, like she had diminished herself for him and it still wasn’t enough in the end, and then the other side, regret, should have bit her tongue more, remembering the love.

    They were always wrong for each other, but I thought they were cute together also.

    Guy got with a younger, kind of model, who got pregnant fairly early in the relationship and just kept on having babies. And, guess what, he hasn’t gotten married. He’s not going to risk losing his Madonna money and his own money, like Madonna did. LOL

    Make no bones about it, Madonna is no day at the beach, but Guy Ritchie was an asshole in that marriage a lot.

    • LAK says:

      Amen Jayna Amen.

      The thing that really upset me about their entire marriage/divorce was when he bragged how he’d become rich off of the divorce.

      We rag on women seeking ridiculous alimony and whatnot, but for people to not call out Guy Richie for laying it out straight……..

      And hell yea, he’s not going to risk the money with another marriage or at the very least a water tight prenup.

    • BangersandMash says:


      You said it the best way it could be said.

    • Cindy says:

      Very interesting, i had no idea guy received that kind of money. And to not marry the mother of his new children to keep the money coming….wow.

      • Jayna says:

        Not coming. He’s already got it from Madonna. He doesn’t want to share any of it or risk losing it in a divorce. She’s at home and takes care of his life, makes it comfortable for him. They’ve got three kids now, and she’s also a good stepmother to Rocco and David when they visit dad. I’m sure he gives her an account with money put in it to spend and run the household, but isn’t a true partner in the sense of him committing to make her his wife and no say regarding any of his money and his spending. I guess it works because she is more submissive it seemed in an interview I read with her.

  21. sarah says:

    Her interview with Howard Stern yesterday was telling. It’s on SoundCloud. She talked about multiple men in her past that weren’t very comfortable with how big she was in terms of her career. I got the sense she meant Sean Penn and Guy. She was diplomatic about it, not crass at all by saying it was them, but as soon as she said she wouldn’t get personal about why she got divorced, she figured out a way to say it without naming names. Very good interview!

  22. Jaded says:

    I think they both knew exactly what they were getting into. Madonna wanted a successful film career (Desperately Seeking Susan was fluff and Evita stank) and Guy was an up and coming director who could help her achieve some measure of acting fame. Wrong. You have to know how to act first. And she loved the cachet of living the elegant, British country life with horses and a castle and their own pub, etc. etc. (don’t get me started on the faux English accent).

    Anyway, she is nobody’s victim, although he’s no prize either and seems to be an arrogant tosser. I think both were equally culpable in the break-down of the marriage because, as many state here, marriage is built on compromise and neither of them are particularly good at that.

  23. Tracy says:

    Imagine feeling incarcerated because your husband prefers you not simulate sex with other men in public. Shocking…

    One of my favorite quotes ever was by Guy Ritchie, who famously said that sleeping with Madonna was “a lot like trying to cuddle with a piece of gristle.”

    • Maria says:

      its a good point. i mean its his fault for marrying her but if you dont want other people simulating sex with your partner its not exactly outrageous. its not like he didnt want her to talk to male servers or dont have any friends.

      she herself admitted in the Stern interview she felt insecure when she saw Guy directing actress. (she should have felt insecure about her own acting that could have helped.) and that she wanted to go after Banderas, but Griffith was “in the way”. yay sisterhood!

    • ell says:

      that’s a pretty horrible quote when you’re referring to the mother of your child.

    • Cindy says:

      He said that?!?! ouch.

  24. Sally says:

    She still is sad over Guy? Duh.

  25. ilovesunnydaze says:

    I like her.

  26. GingerCrunch says:

    Can I just say how pretty I think Madonna is in that photo with her straight hair? PRETTY!

  27. Penelope says:

    If divorcing him meant also dropping that ridiculous, affected British accent she tried to pull off during the Guy years, then there’s at least one positive here! Good grief, she sounded like such an ass.

  28. Spike says:

    Poor Madge, always the victim. Ha! Madge dominated – what a crock of shite. Throughout her whole career she has been a serious control freak.

    Let’s look at her adoption of David & Mercy. Inveach case, due to poverty & tragic circumstances, family could not raise them at that time. Mercy was in a home for children, but her grandmother fully intended to bring her home next year. I could add tons of links, but it’s easy to locate this information.

    Many celebritie have performed anonymous acts of kindness to help families & keep them together. But instead of using her millions to do this, she is intent on adopting them. This is during her marriage to “controlling” Guy.

    She made promises to David’s father about how he will be taken care of. She takes Mercy despite her family fighting this. In both cases she assures both families will have access & see the children regularly. Except for a token visit, neither family has never had any contact with them again. She has been in Malawai (sp) & not allowed these children or their families to see each other. Poor dominated Madge tricked these families to obtain these children, like Fabrege eggs. She broke up these families. And she decided, like the control freak she is to cut off all contact. This is heartbreaking and wrong.

    Guy was not responsible for any of this, Madge was. And I don’t have citations for this, but some of the discord in their marriage occurred as he opposed the 2nd adoption. Please consider this before she is deified as the victim.

  29. Grace says:

    I hate when she uses being an “artist” as a unique explanation for her behavior or feelings or whatever. She would be the same ego-maniacal person even if she worked at a bank.

    But I will have to say, in Europe it is far more accepting of an older man dating a much younger woman. Americans are more likely to think that a huge age discrepancy is ridiculous.

    • ell says:

      as a european i can assure this is yet another misconception americans have about “europe”. you lot in the us should really stop talking about things you don’t know.

      • NGBoston says:

        And as an American, you should really stop painting all of us with the same broad brush strokes.

        While I have not had extensive travel in Europe and can only speak from my owm limited experiences, I will state it is my general belief, that most Europeans (Parisians in particular) just simply do not like most Americans.

        They believe Americans are greedy and gluttonous and lack intelligence, refinement and culture. They are not far off with some of those adjectives…it is true. Some Americans are all of those things. Not all of us.

    • Truthful says:

      @Grace: As a european too I can fairly say that your assumption is quite ridiculous, it’s the other way around, men dating much younger women are ridiculed… and quite rare!
      Just like ell I advise you to try get informed before spreading a false information

      • Sue says:

        Interesting….I knew this Romanian guy who liked dating older women. When I asked him why he said he preferred older and that he was taught by his father that it’s the most pathetic thing when you see an older man with a younger woman.

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  31. Iheartgossip says:

    Why is she stunting so hard, lately? Did she lose a big hunk of cash? She is VERY thirsty.

  32. KatyD says:

    Imo, I think Madonna has NPD (narcissistic personality disorder) based on her actions and statements. Unfortunately, my father has Npd and based on my experience with him and therapists, I realize that narcissists have a very one-sided view of everything and will always twist things to put forth the view which places them in the light they want to show you. They are highly manipulative and self-serving. They can also pretend and fool you that they care when the opposite is true. In short, I would never believe a single word out of Madonna’s mouth. Like never. She’s putting forth an image to sell to the public. The truth is another thing altogether and irrelevant to her primary goal. This is not to say that I believe Guy Ritchie is some angel. He may be narcissistic himself. However, I would never buy a word out of Madonna’s mouth to prove anything about Guy. She has a face full of lies …and botox. 🙂

    • epiphany says:

      Thank you saying exactly what I wanted to say and saving me the trouble.

    • Jaded says:

      I’ve also had the bad fortune to know several people with NPD and typically they lie, cheat, backstab and manipulate their way into some kind of fame and fortune because they’re completely self-involved. Madonna is classic NPD.

    • NGBoston says:

      She does have NPD. I stated that somewhere and I completely agree. Still love her tho.

  33. jferber says:

    What gets my knickers in a twist about Guy is he said he’d never take her 97 mil and then he did. Wanker. Unforgivable.

  34. JRenee says:

    I had no idea he received that much $ for 8 years of marriage. Incredible!

  35. pnichols says:

    Why would she even consider DATING a guy who is homophobic let alone marry the guy?! Idk. Everything she does always seems so calculated. At the time wasnt he the new, hot thing. She’s shady.

  36. Andrea says:

    Deep down, Madonna is an insecure woman who marries controlling men it seems.

  37. Jayna says:

    I just read Madonna’s other ex, Carlos Leon (Lola’s father), age 48 (I thought he was 50), is a father again. His wife, a fashion designer, once with Zac Posen, now starting her own line, age 34, gave birth to a son, Meeka Leon.

    He has his princess already that he adores, so it’s great he now has a son.

    • NGBoston says:

      FWIW, I don’t care how old Carlos is???I still think he is sexy. He never is over the top…just incredibly rocks that bad boy Rock Star look.

      Lenny Kravitz does the bad boy look/thing/vibe the best -yummmmmm. 🙂