It’s just a handful of days until “I am Cait” premieres on E! this Sunday. I’ll do my best to watch it, although I’ll be traveling and will have to catch it on demand. One of us, probably Kaiser, will do a review early next week. In the mean time the advance reviews are out and they’re very positive. Outlets like the first episode of “I am Cait” and say it’s fun and handles the subject well. Kanye even makes an appearance. Caitlyn’s mother Esther is said to steal the show.
Caitlyn Jenner’s debut, a slow media rollout that has been both enormously delicate and extremely well-managed, moves smoothly on and up with her new E! series, I Am Cait.
The premiere, at least, is closer in tone to a reality show on Oprah Winfrey’s OWN than E!
It’s not that the themes are surprising – given what we know of Jenner’s struggle to transition from Bruce to Caitlyn, a show would be just flat-out revolting if it didn’t address the sense of isolation and despair that so many in the transgender community suffer (Caitlyn admits to having contemplated suicide), if it didn’t provide consolation and encouragement and promote tolerance.
But to find all this 1.) in a series on E!, which is also concurrently bringing out a dusty old bucket of Hollywood rhinestones called Stewarts & Hamiltons, but 2.) in a production of origins Kardashian-ian (the adjectival form of “Kardashian”) – well, Oprah, what do you think?
Although Kim and Kanye put in a brief appearance, the crux of the first hour is Caitlyn, 65, “presenting” herself to her mother, Esther. Esther asks an uncomfortable question about the Bible’s opinion on what used to be called gender-bending, but nothing has changed about her love for her child. Cait, she says, possesses not only the same personality as Bruce, but the same soul.
Jenner, after decades before the camera (if as a male), is very, very good at both explaining her life and accepting the responsibilities that come with the unofficial job of trans spokeswoman. She talks with a lucidity and directness that are reassuring and winning – and never soppy or self-pitying.
Yesterday I heard a great interview on Fresh Air with the star and the director of a new indie film called Tangerine, about trans sex workers in LA. Director Sean Baker said that star Mya Taylor, a transgender woman, told him early in the process that she wanted the film to be funny, which Baker was initially reluctant about. He came to understand that this was how to reach a bigger audience. “Mya was asking to make pop… something that would actually appeal and pull in general audiences… because that’s how you communicate to the mainstream.” That’s very well put. Reality shows and pop culture are how you communicate with the mainstream. We are witnessing the making of a transgender celebrity and I love it.
People has a new portrait of Caitlyn and they posted another preview of I Am Cait last week.
I wil, Because i Picked My Kardashian ( make no Mistake Cait IS a kardashian) so I gotta back My Horse in this race… and if that shade she threw Diane Sawyer about old lady clothes (in her interview) is any indication, This could be great for my soul too
I won’t watch. There are better transgendered spokespersons out there.
I refuse to put money into the pocket of reality tv’s E network or Ryan Seacrest or any iteration of a Kardashian family member.
Agree with you springingforward. I’m kind of over it. The Diane Sawyer and ESPY awards were enough on the topic for me.
Ditto that Springingforward.
I won’t watch because I turned E! off two years ago and I stand by my boycott. I support the LGBT community, with my vote, and I have nothing against Caitlyn for her gender issues. The fact that she’s a terrible parent is not a gender issue and I refuse to encourage E! foisting these terrible people on us and pretending we should be happy to see them. I am conflicted because I do support the trans community and I do hope the show is tastefully done and successful in persuading people to be open-minded. Still won’t watch and still won’t support E! or their programming.
Jenner certainly wins the Kardashian crown for biggest narcissist of them all. I’ll pass as I do on all Kardashian shows.
I’ve never watched any reality show, so, no.
From “PEOPLE” magazine? Really? The folks who are paid to bring you flowery announcements about the child molester Duggar’s new offspring?
I listened to the interview on Tangerine yesterday, myself. THAT, I am interested in.
Not reality TV. I hate it.
Ya, I’m pretty much done with People magazine as well.
People magazine is so full of advertising and fluff it’s not even worth their reduced price. I no longer subscribe either
The same People magazine whose readers are still defending the rapist, Bill Cosby.
Which one are you, “Michelle”? Judge, jury….. or both?
Nope.
Give me a show about struggling transgender women AND men (since they’re easy targets for rape and brutality as women but conveniently left out in discussion regarding transgender rights in the media) then I’ll watch.
This woman was a horrible parent, deserted her family, and has has decades of wealth and fame–I can give her kudos for being true to herself but she won’t get my viewership while supporting politicians who are against everything she claims to be fighting for.
That is pretty much how I feel. I just can’t get past the horrible parenting. Look at her youngest… already filled with plastic and living with a 25 year old man.
yep. all this and more.
I am so glad she’s found her “truth”. unfortunately, the knife is still sticking in the backs off all the people she hurt to get there. That doesn’t go away. The people she neglected and hurt still have those burdens to bear.
money money for Cait.
Thank you. I only have to look at pictures of Kylie to be reminded of why this isn’t worth watching.
Omgosh- I thought I’d be the only one saying I won’t watch a moment of it. Take care of your child, Cait! You know the one that dropped out of high school, is dating a pedophile, that has plastic breasts, lip and butt injections, talons for nails and is (rumored to) being trained by Mommy to play for pay?
And that’s one reason of many I will never tune in. I was so happy when she first made her announcement that my heart swelled with joy. Now that I’ve had time to think about it, I realize that Cait, even by average standards, isn’t a good human being. So thank you but no thank you, E!
Agreed – I fully support people who transition and hope all of this publicity helps those struggling, but I have no desire to 1) watch a reality show 2) watch anything that has to do with the Kardashian family and 3) support someone who was and continues to be a lousy parent. Best of luck to Caitlyn, but no thank you to the show.
While I’m happy for her, I won’t be watching either. She actually hit another car, causing that driver to swerve out of control into a lane of oncoming traffic. She is denying that she was the cause, but the video that I saw shows her bumping the other car. I can’t figure out any other reason why the other driver would swerve as she did. Couldn’t have known it was a celebrity in the other vehicle, so she could sue, as Caitlyn was behind her. And did I mention, she died. I also agree with D.L. She shouldn’t have gotten that award for courage.
And did you see the pictures of her $500K new sports car today?
A woman in her 70’s died, with her dog, and nobody cares because she was creamed by this idiot and that’s the news, so sad, it could have been my mother and her dog. Whoever she was, she was probably a nice person who didn’t deserve to die and doesn’t deserve to be remembered only as a victim of this insensitive jerk.
I might watch just because I am curious as all heck about Caitlyn and what her life was like and will be like now.
I’m not trying to be divisive, but does anyone know: Since transgender has been diagnosed as a real disorder, are there any recommended therapies besides doing whatever it takes to appear as the sex you identify as?
“Since transgender has been diagnosed as a real disorder, are there any recommended therapies besides doing whatever it takes to appear as the sex you identify as?”
WHAT???!!! Diagnosed by whom?
Regarding the show, I won’t be watching. I support the transgender community, I just have Cait fatigue.
Trans people are considered to be suffering from Gender Identity Disorder under the current DSM. Basically, it means their gender identity does not match their physical body. Some trans people dislike that it’s considered a mental illness, but others don’t mind, especially since it’s the diagnosis that allows them to qualify for reassignment (the surgery is considered the treatment for their illness). It’s complicated. But technically, yes, it’s considered a mental illness, but it’s complex.
Thanks, Sam. I had no idea being transgender was considered a mental illness.
That’s not accurate. It WAS labelled a disorder, the new edition of the DSM (that has not been published yet) is said to have that removed.
There is no ethical, accepted, proven or known therapy to treat ´gender dysphoria’.
All treatment is aimed at observation (if it’s a child) or therapy for the person in question in order to assess if he/she is showing permanent signs of identifying with traits that are considered to belong to the opposite gender.
After a couple of years and if it’s proven that the child/person is transgender then hormones are given if all parts agree.
If you have seen transgender people who began taking hormones during their late teens, it’s impossible to tell them apart from a person who was born with that gender. That’s when treatment is considered a success, when the person is socially, emotionally and mentally adapted.
Just to correct Sam. Gender Identity Disorder is language from DSM IV. The most recent diagnostic manual makes a few revisions including renaming it Gender Dysphoria. DSM V basically tries to distinguish people who dont fit the gender binary from people who outright believe they are sitting in the wrong body.
To answer the initial question, the vast majority of countries that do allow gender reassignment surgery require that the subject undergo extensive psychiatric evaluation. And yes treatment can range from psychotherapy to full blown gender reassignment (a good deal of transpeople choose not to transition). Actually, even where surgical interventions have been used, psychotherapy is considered a vital part of treatment. Theres a lot of politics on whether it is or is not a psychiatric disorder, because there are I guess social implications depending on which side of the fence you land. It also impacts what kind of research will and wont find funding, which I really think is worrying when we still know so little about what this is. Jmo.
The DSM-5 lists “Gender dysphoria” rather than disorder. They don’t diagnose being transgender as a mental illness, rather they diagnose the distress it causes to the trans
person.
@Sam, no, transgender is a term that they created to distance themselves from the DSM definition that labelled it as a disorder.
Thus, transgender people are not “suffering”, being transgender means they don’t consider themselves as being ill.
The DSM is also not accepted by millions of psychologists and therapists all over the world as it’s considered a manual of deviation and pathology that leaves no place for cultural, social or gender differences. Basically, white male european college students (the source of most research) is what’s normal, the rest isn’t.
The DSM doesn’t take into account if a person lacks any kind of resources, or environmental issues, it’s just a quick way for psychiatrist to label and prescribe.
When I was studying psychology none of my teachers said they used it, there are many other valuable tools for helping, assessing and treating people.
Wait, what? Where do you live? All the practicing psychs I know use the DSM or ICD (which is almost identical) for the purely practical reason that if you don’t use the appropriate code, you don’t get paid.
I guess psychology lecturers are exempt from that problem, but mine referred to the DSM (I’m in Oz) because they knew all their students would end up having to use it.
That’s not to say we weren’t informed of all the numerous problems with the DSM, of course we were. But it’s the baseline we had to refer to. I can’t imagine a system without a baseline. How would you bill?
Aren: The DSM is the official manual of the American Psychiatric Association. In order for most therapists to be able to obtain insurance reimbursement for their services, they must conform their diagnoses to the DSM criteria. Working outside the DSM places their reimbursements at risk. if you know a therapist who does not conform their practices to the DSM, their patients are likely paying out of pocket, which is not very good for the patients.
And look it up – Trans people today are considered to fall within the GID diagnosis. Why do you think insurance will often cover GRS? Because it’s considered medically necessary to treat an existing illness. That’s the bind trans people are in. If they deny they are mentally ill, they likely will not be able to obtain insurance for GRS. They usually must accept the GID diagnosis to obtain the surgery. Most GRS surgeons require the consent of at least 2 therapists who specialize in GID (Caitlyn actually made reference to this in her interview with Diane Sawyer).
Re my comment above: My internet cut out when I was trying to make an edit. So now it sounds like I was only focused on money, which wasn’t quite right. The ramifications of the DSM/ICD are more pervasive than that. Last section should’ve read “How do you bill? How do you get research published if you don’t refer to existing models? How would you even teach, considering the textbooks are set-up to match the DSM/ICD?”
Yes. It’s quite individualised. Transfolk and their doctors/therapists mix and match elements from:
a) Talk-therapy. Focused on figuring out exactly how you identify, relieving distress, and treating any comorbid disorders (depression, substance abuse, bi-polar etc., etc.). Some may decide they were just confused and want to stay their birth gender. Some may decide they’re genderqueer (mix of male and female, 3rd gender etc) and want to stay that way, or to partially transition. Some decide they’re not happy with anything other than a full transition.
b) Gender role change (cross-dress, live as alternate gender full time or part time).
c) Hormones.
d) Surgery. Which itself is a mix-and-match process. One person might want vocal cord surgery while another might be happy with voice-training. Trans-men may or may not want surgery giving them an Adam’s apple. Some trans-women grow decent breasts on hormones, others want bolt-ons. Genital surgery may or may not occur.
It has not been a mental disorder since 2012.
But Google gender dysphoria for more info.
For reference, homosexuality has not been a mental disorder since 1973.
Things move slow till suddenly they move very fast.
Many transgender people actually *don’t* put a huge emphasis on gender reassignment or trying to “pass”.
Will not watch. Suffering from Cait Fatigue.
+1
Just said same before seeing your comment.
I’ve never watched at kardashian show and I’m not going to start with this one. I support people and their choices but this fake-contrived-reality stuff is not my cup of tea.
Yep.
Exactly how I feel!
Standing in line behind Astrid, Kitten, and MrsBPitt. Save my place while I go check out another thread?
Same here. I blocked the E channel from my TV because I tired of seeing Kardashians while flipping channels.
I did the same, I turned it off my feed and don’t miss it at all.
I agree. I am happy for the transgendered community that they are getting some much deserved understanding in the cultural sphere, but I just have little patience for this particular family.
Probably not, because I have Caitlyn Jenner fatigue. No disrespect meant to her and her journey (because I do believe that she is doing a world of good), but I am tired of her every eye-blink being newsworthy.
Give me a month, then maybe I’ll catch it in reruns. 😛
Nope.he’s still a Kardashian
Cardashian?
No thanks, have been over Caitlyn for a while and really have no interest in watching another Kardashian reality show (let’s face it – she’s clearly a Kardashian at heart). The media needs to take a sabbatical from Caitlyn, Amy Schumer and Chris Pratt for a good 6-9 months.
Not a fan of reality tv or reality tv celebrities.
Nope.
No desire to support and give ratings to the famewhoring ways of this family. Please, all of them, just go away. Go live on a ranch or island somewhere and give us all a break.
I’ll watch the first episode out of curiosity but nothing after that.
Aren’t people sick of this family?
I can’t believe all the press about this man/woman. No sympathy, no interest. And no I am not unsympathetic to transgenders, but I could care less about Catlyn’s “journey” in designer dresses and a self-imposed fish bowl.
Tell me about the courage someone from a hick town with no money, or an unsupportive family, or the lack of experience in courting fame has in their struggle for gender identity then I’ll watch. Putting all that in context, Caitlyn Jenner receiving the Arthur Ashe award is a travesty.
I agree with you 100 percent.
Total agreement. Jenner strikes me as profoundly self centered–even more than the Kardashians, and that’s really saying something. Yuck.
I apologize for the unavoidable snootiness of this comment, but the phrase is “I couldN’T care less.” That is, you care so little, you could not possibly care any less. If you say “I COULD care less,” then you’re saying you DO care.
One of my greatest pet peeves. I know it’s cranky and snarky to say so, but….I guess I’m cranky and snarky today. Maybe because of your “man/woman” snark? Yes, perhaps.
No, but not because I’m against her. I don’t watch any “reality” shows, and mostly stream stuff
from Amazon and Netflix.
Maybe a little bit just for a laugh
Will she be addressing the tiny issue when she killed someone in a traffic accident?
Not a peep. Guaranteed.
She’ll play the victim probably while filming therapy sessions.
Filming therapy sessions. One more inherently disturbing thing about the way these people live their lives. Every part of them is owned.
Nope. I wish Cait all the best, but I have found the whitewashing slightly unnerving. Cait was not a really great person most of her life – she was a crappy parent to four of her kids (particularly her daughter), treated at least one spouse poorly, etc. But it seems like a lot of that is being glossed over in favor of “look at how happy I am now, everything is going great.” Being trans does not, alone, make you a good person. Trans people can be just as crappy as anyone else.
In addition, Cait isn’t the best representation of trans people, I don’t think. Most trans people don’t have LA plastic surgeons to help them along, a glam squad to make them look their best, and the type of lifestyle where they don’t really need to fret about a livelihood. Most trans lives are marked harder than Cait’s. I’d rather listen to them then to Cait. I don’t dislike her, but she’s not my cup of tea.
I said something very similar on the last Caitlyn thread and got slammed for it. But yeah I 100% agree with every word you say here.
I completely agree and have said this, and more, numerous times.
Sorry you got slammed Kitten. I avoided the thread yesterday based on the title alone.
I felt your pain yesterday. I was slammed for saying similar things right after the Sawyer interview. There are many other TG examples to consider worthy of our time and attention, who have truly struggled.
I may get slammed for this part as well, but I also don’t find it entirely worthy of praise that Cait waited until her senior years to do this. Multiple marriages and children lie in the wake of this, and I don’t agree that being famous made this tougher. Bruce made choices to stay in the limelight.
Yeah, I try to tread lightly here, but I feel how I feel. I wish Caitlyn would spend her time building up the family that she neglected for a really long time. And that’s a process best left off camera.
100% agreement here too.
But generally speaking, people don’t exactly pay attention to what poor, anonymous and unpassable transgender people have to say. Whether or not you’d rather hear someone else speak, that’s the sad truth. When the public feel they “know” a person, they are more likely to be empathetic, and I believe that can be a sort of door-opener to the community at large. If people find what she has to say eye-opening and interesting (whether because of who she is, or trans issues they didn’t know existed), they will probably be more likely to at least lend a sympathetic ear when a less famous, rich or passable person has something to say. That is, of course, if she doesn’t end up making a complete spectacle of the whole thing (which I don’t think she has yet).
But that isn’t the problem. Caitlyn is not a good representation of the trans community. She talks about bringing attention to the plight of trans people, but how can she do that? The biggest hurdles trans people face are discrimination in employment and socially (they are very likely to be forced out of jobs, passed over for promotions, denied housing, etc.), threats to physical safety, etc. It’s rough out there for a trans person. If Caitlyn genuinely wanted to help them, let the show become a platform for trans people to talk to the audience, tell them what needs to change, etc. Let the people with the actual issues take center stage. Instead, the show seems to be about the privileged life of one very, very lucky trans person. And if that’s all it was, that’s cool. But don’t pay lip service to “helping others” unless you’re ready to do it.
Also she’s comfortable on camera and is used to dealing with fame. Most people don’t want to talk about anything on camera to a national audience and freeze up awkwardly. So of course people like Jenner are going to be the ones in front of the camera. If she brings the realities of other non-famous people into the conversation, she could do a lot of good. Just starting the conversation is a plus, regardless of her personal flaws.
We may be holding her to a far tougher standard than is reasonable and one that we don’t hold other people to when they are in front of a camera. Think about all the very imperfect people on TV and in movies. She isn’t claiming to be the world’s greatest person. She is simply drawing attention to her own situation, and talking about others in a similar situation and actually doing a good job of it. Of course she’s making money at it, just as she always has for her work as a public speaker and foil of the K Krew. That doesn’t discredit her work.
@Sam: I’m not saying she’s the “ideal” representative. My point was that the ideal representative would more than likely only be preaching to the choir, with the level of interest and acceptance that society at large has towards trans people as of now. Yes, I hope Caitlyn will bring attention to the real world problems of the trans community as well (and I also hope her show will include other trans people). Until she shows us otherwise, I will take her on her word rather than criticize her on the assumption that she won’t, because, well.. that seems kind of like grasping at straws.
I think part of what irks me is that she’s so over the top with the makeup and dresses, etc.; what I mean by that is she looks like she stepped out of one of those glammed up photo shoots women take at the mall, ya know? In other words, regular life, for the most part, isn’t dolled up to the nines every moment, looking uncomfortable. I can’t explain well, I guess. Sure, if someone wants to dress like you’re going the Met every day, fine; but most women, famous or not, tone it down for everyday walkabout. She never does, it’s full on, all the time. Not realistic. In a way, I guess, it’s like that 13 year old allowed to wear make up finally…it all goes on, all of it, and realizing you have boobs means you are showing the shape off. I don’t know. Not trying to be disrespectful, it just seems like there’s not a lot of casual but tons of over the top.
I won’t watch either because….I’ve seen enough. Will watch some more of the less famous struggles, however.
Glamour Shots!
What a terrible trend that was.
You know? That is actually a huge issue with crossdressers and trans people, they have the “teenage” syndrome and go completely overboard.
I hope she tones it down after a few months, but that’s really something that has bothered me for a very long time. The fact that during every Gay Pride event there are so many gays, lesbians and transgenders that act like pornstars.
It makes the whole thing look vapid.
I disagree, that’s you’re baggage, there’s nothing wrong with flaunting it or over-dressing if that’s your thing, we need to stop using that as a criteria to belittle people. You’re saying looking too feminine makes it vapid, whether you intend to or not, and I for one am fed up with being told how to dress, how to act, how to speak because of my vagina, you don’t like makeup and skimpy clothes, don’t wear them, otherwise, live and let live.
She’s a Kardashian. That’s what they do.
+1000
Has there been a lot of candids of her, where she’s not either at an event or a fancy dinner? I can’t remember seeing any, except the fourwheeler-photo, and the one where she’s in jeans and boots… But I don’t think I’ve ever seen her look over-done or inappropriate in her outfits, I notice a lot of people are saying this, but I don’t get where they’re coming from.
I’m not saying she’s “inappropriate” but seeing ANYONE overdone for everyday out to dinner, whatever, is a bit much. I also think that’s part of the shock of going from her “previous” self to her true self….no normal, everyday kinda thing, just full on extensions, lashes, makeup, tight fitting clothes. It’s jarring. Sure, that’s on the observer, not her, but still it feels a bit overboard and will probably ease a bit when the tedium of the upkeep sets in.:-) Course, she has access to peeps to help with that so maybe not.
Eh, I feel for her having gone through this and being wealthy doesn’t alleviate that inner struggle nor the public one; but the small town trans person who doesn’t have the circle of protection she does is of more urgency than her struggle, honestly. Saying that, if what she is doing being front and center TRULY shines a light and helps the movement of assisting/accepting other trans people, fabulous. If it turns out to be more of the same reality show bullsh*t, then that is a very sad commentary on a very important issue and vocal disappointed reactions would be appropriate, struggle or not. JMHO
I think you are right regarding the contrast of then and now, “Bruce” was kind of a slob. But compared to other rich, mature ladies going out to dinner, I don’t think she stands out at all. Then again, I’ve been known to get comments about going a bit over the top with my casual style myself, so maybe I’m not the right person to judge, lol.
“if what she is doing being front and center TRULY shines a light and helps the movement of assisting/accepting other trans people, fabulous.”
I really hope this is the case, and that is why I want to be as supportive of her as possible. Until we’ve all been proven otherwise, I don’t think it will benefit anyone to judge her prematurely, based on things that are really not significant. You can say she’s a bad parent, and that is totally true and fair, but standing in the way of her altruistic endeavours (if that is truly what this is) to punish her, probably doesn’t help anyone.
The Stewarts & Hamiltons show looks more interesting.
Nope, I refuse to watch any publicity stunts of the Kardashians. I wish Cait would go away. I’m tired of the media trying to shove her d*ck down my throat. #911caitinvasion
haven’t watched any of the Kardashian shows, wont start now!!!
The previews make it seem like the journey is all about picking out pretty dresses and having wine parties with your female friends. I just don’t get her as a spokesperson for the community. She isn’t married, isn’t dealing with small kids, hasn’t lost her job, can afford all of the surgery, is winning awards, has a tv show, probably writing a book. I don’t find any of that interesting, compelling or difficult. I can’t even relate to the superficial stuff – I’m not obsessed with clothing and make-up and plastic surgery. I guess that stuff might entertain some people, but it just seems boring to me.
She was not an admirable person before the transition, and I see nothing that suggests that anything has changed in that respect. I don’t see her doing anything for the community beyond lip-service to the real problems other people suffer, and the trail of kids she has abandoned is disheartening to say the least.
Great points.
Maybe Cailtyn and Kris can have a catfight over clothes.
Ugh, all the hard c’s in that sentence. Bruce could’t have picked Jane or Julia. He could start a whole new J family tree: Jane Jenner, Julia Jenner, Jessica Jenner, Joy Jennifer.
A personality transplant did not happen. If she is happier, then great. But it does not mean the actions and poor decisions of Bruce just disappear into thin air.
I will definitely watch, I’m very curious about how this will all be handled in the format of a TV series. Obviously there are some natural limitations in that we’re dealing with an obscenely rich celebrity, but I still have some hope that it won’t be too terrible, or scripted word for word. The stakes are too high for them to have thrown together just another Kardashian spin-off.
That’s
so sweet, you naive little thang!
Yeah, I’ll watch it. I’m curious to see the approach and I’m interested in seeing more depth in this story. I think it will be interesting to watch how this plays out, warts and all. Has he been a perfect person? I seems not. I think that it’s his openess and vulnerability that is actually interesting here, not, some idea that he is a perfecftly formed trans woman and has all the answers.
Not a chance, I hate reality TV, I’ve no interest in these boring talentless people. She is a horrible person on top of being part of that awful family who for some reason are able to invade every online news source and gossip column despite contributing nothing to entertainment. What is the point of shoving these people in our faces every day?
I’d like to see documentaries about normal trans people and the very real issues they face. They deserve to be front and centre, also more female to male as they’re generally ignored. Tbh, the trans ‘celebrities’ that have been promoted in the media recently are very off putting and I think they may have the opposite of the intended affect. Particularly as any criticism of Caitlin especially (and for very good reason) is now considered transphobic.
I would much rather watch a reality show based on Janet Mock’s life.
Mock is so beautiful. She’s more interesting to me than Jenner. Plus she works for a living and not a paid reality star who is just out for more fame.
So, so gorgeous. I hadn’t heard of her until she was on Bill Maher. I was thinking ‘wow, that’s a great looking woman–tall and with a fabulous voice. ‘ A little girl crush actually. Lol Then Maher mentioned her being transgendered and I was blown away. She was so smart, eloquent and relatable. She’d be a great subject of a series. I hope she gets a lot more attention.
NO–NO–NO–Have never watched anything this stinking trashy family has done and won’t start now. Agree with other commenters–have Caitlyn/Kartrashian fatigue. But bet there are enough stupid people who will continue to watch them all make fools out of themselves. It’s all for the MONEY and FAME, people, wake up!!
Not going to watch. Way too much over exposure..
I don’t have a TV so, no. Even if it was available online I can’t see what could be interesting about it.
Still, I seriously hope she does something positive with that show because I have a family member who is gay and I still want to believe that Caitlyn will use this platform to make a difference for the better and/or to at least try to make it up to all her sons and daughters.
Trans doesn’t mean gay, but I get what you’re saying.
Yeah but Caitlyn likes women so she is a Lesbian.
I gave up television years ago, so I had to dig around for one of my 20-year-old VHS tape of ‘Twister’ and scotch-tape over the open tab to give to my mom to tape ‘Cait’ for me. Guaranteed the only Kardashian-related thing I would EVER look at.
I can understand why people feel the need to change their bodies in this culture, but I still feel that the transgender phenomenon is a problem with the others around the person rather than somehow being the “wrong” gender for the person’s body. Imagine if we didn’t have to fit rigid gender roles in all aspects of life. Imagine if there weren’t such ridiculous expectations of what girls can do and wear (clothes and hair) and be and what boys can do and wear and be without getting harassed. Would the same people going for surgery now need to do that in such a society? Or would they be able to freely be themselves without altering their bodies? Children pick up on those gender expectations very early – it’s all around them. The shift in formal gender identity would not be needed if we dumped those expectations and let individuals be themselves. I’m quite sure that the species would continue to reproduce with no problem.
Even physical sex is more of a continuum than a discrete (boy or girl) type of thing, and doctors are rethinking the conventional “treatment” of intersex children by mutilating them to make them fit the boy or girl assignment. (They actually tended to prefer making the kids “girls” because culturally, girls aren’t so fixated on their genitals so it was easier to fit in with differences). The doctor’s choice too often didn’t fit the child in our rigidly gender-categorized society, and intersex adults are saying they wish they had been left alone to just be whatever they turned out to be. I’m sure that other aspects of ourselves (wrongly rigidly identified with sex assignment) are also a continuum and people are incorrectly pushed into boxes where many don’t fit. It’s logical to wish for a body that lets you be and act the way you feel most comfortable with no hassle, but it’s not really an internal problem.
I won’t watch. Becoming Caitlyn does not wipe the slate of Bruce’s life clean. He was not an individual I admired, and the reasons still stand. It is especially sad to me that Caitlyn now seems more concerned about her glam squad than what is happening to her children.
Same here. I get the impression this show is to some degree an attempt to trump the ex. His smirking during the Sawyer interview about having the biggest story of all just turned me off.
No.
Will there be any transgender soft p0rn?
Not at all but I do wonder if Kim Howe (the woman who died in the car crash caused by Bruce) would have watched had she not been killed due to Bruce/Caitlyn’s recklessness.
Enough with the car accident. It was a freak ACCIDENT. Caitlyn wasn’t texting or talking on the phone nor had she been drinking or under the influence of drugs. Yeah it was her fault but she was merely inattentive. Most of us have caught ourselves daydreaming while driving. Kim Howe’s car was pushed into the path of a Hummer. It was that part of the car crash that caused her death. Had the other vehicle been a mid-sized sedan most likely there would have been no fatality. Same had there been no oncoming traffic.
Yeah well…He was towing something. You have to allow for that if you are a decent responsible human. It’s NOT rocket science. We tow jet ski’s and boats and we ALWAYS leave room because, you know…we aren’t vapid and we look out for others, but ok. He was “inattentive”. Okey dokey. And the fact that less than a week after he caused that “accident” he (she was still a he at the time) was papped talking on his cell while driving makes it worse. So no. Yeah. “inattentive”. That’s Hollywood speak for ” I got money and power and am untouchable”. If it were me, I’d be arrested and put on trial. That’s truth. Bruce sucked and Caitlyn has to deal with that. Or…just shove it under the rug, like always. Jeeze. She is STILL a horrible human being and fameho. I can respect and accept the transition (my son is trans) while not respecting the person. Bruce sucked. Caitlyn sucks. End of for me. (not yelling at you..just….angry)
If it had been a member of your family killed by this inattentive driver would you be so callous, Hannah? Everyone has a responsibility when they are behind the wheel and I have been rear ended four times now by “inattentive” drivers, lucky me, not creamed by a Hummer yet, but “inattentive” is a bullshit excuse for teenagers not for adults with grown children who should be experienced enough to know better and drive safer when towing some piece of vain crap.
Nope. Glam, glam, a Kardashian ham. That’s all this is going to be about. Maybe I’m wrong. Won’t watch. I look to my OWN trans kid for inspiration…..and Caitlyn is not even on his radar. At. All.
No. Why give ratings to yet another show put out by this narcissistic family? I’d rather watch paint dry, it would be more interesting.
Yes, as mentioned above, Caitlyn doesn’t have to worry about a job or small kids amongst other things. However, her entire transition has played out VERY publicly and she has been ridiculed beyond belief. Remember the whole brouhaha about the tracheal shave? Ditto with the longer hair and the nail polish. It struck me that aside from the monetary/Kardashian aspect of all of this by doing a show, Caitlyn can, to a certain extent, control the media coverage. She got ahead of the story by doing the Diane Sawyer interview.
I’ve been following this for a really weird reason. I’m a graduate of Wellesley College. Wellesley is still a women’s college–no boys. Earlier this year the college made the decision to accept transgender women as full time students. I was uncomfortable with the decision as I thought guys would try to “sneak in” as students. After watching the Diane Sawyer interview I changed my mind. I’m sure I’m not the only one who really learned about the issue by following the media circus. Interesting side note— Diane Sawyer is a Wellesley alumna.
No. She is just another Kardashian fameseeker and a terrible parent
If for some reason this show doesn’t do well in ratings…who are they going to blame? People are overwhelmingly supporting her so it’s not out of hate. I just think it’ll be due to over-exposure. So far all we are getting is pics of Caitlyn dressed up and going out with her friends. That’s it. She might as well change her last name to Kardashian. Let’s hope her show will be a lot more meaningful and about her talking more in depth about her struggle and less about shopping trips, hair, and make-up…we get enough of that from the rest of the family.
That has been my problem with this all along. If she is helping the transgender community (other than coming out about it) then why are we not hearing about it (and yes we heard about the handing out of the condoms and the one visit to the center for transgender teens – think that was the place). All we hear about is the way she dresses and the going out and the regimen it takes to get her glammed up – superficial. While her speech may have been inspiring to many (I did not hear it or read it), it is just words and she is used to giving speeches. I’m hoping the show will be more, but doubt it – hope I’m wrong.
@Hannah…Wow..that’s awesome they are going to let trans students in, and I appreciate your thoughts and perspective on this. I still won’t watch, but…thank you for your voice. 🙂
Agree with the overwhelming majority w you: No way in the world I will watch. I think Bruce is a vain, wealthy, superficial, spoiled, arrogant man, and a neglectful and bad parent, consistently thinking of himself before he thinks of anyone else, including his children .You can’t just put an egomaniacal fame whore like him into a female body and say, NOW, she’s a nice or interesting woman: she’s EXACTLY who she was when she was Bruce. One of the very few changes is probably her wardrobe, and the time she spends on her clothes and makeup: as if THAT were some crucial measurement of womanhood, the amount of time one spends working on their physical appearance. It’s sad that such a profoundly shallow, self absorbed person as Caitlyn is now, by some, bound to be connected to/ regarded as a strong “voice” of today’s transgender people.
To be clear, I don’t have a problem with the Caitlyn media rollout-beyond the basic issues of Kardashian vapidity and overexposure. However, in terms of Bruce/Caitlyn as a human being, I cosign everything you said. I think that Brody and Kylie are particularly lost.
Cait has totally turned into another fame seeking Kardashian. Kim must be teed off.
More interested in watching non celebrity transgender… their courage and strength through adversity.
No , I want them all to go away for ever .
I won’t be watching it. Nothing against Caitlyn. I hope she does well. I’m just over reality television. Bring on the BBC programming, please.
Hell no.
I won’t be watching as first I got rid of my cable tv and second when I did watch reality shows, they were shows like Project Runway, Face Off, Cupcake Wars, etc. Shows that at least showed a product being produced – not just someone’s life put out there for all to see (and it’s just not the Kardashians, it’s all the Housewife franchises and Honey Boo Boo and Duck Dynasty, etc).
I thought I was the only person who didn’t care what Caitlin Jenner does with her life.
That new individual Caitlyn Jenner is already so overexposed. I know she wants to draw attention to the plight of the transgendered sp being accepted, but no one wants to have this issue as a daily reminder. There are other issues, IMO, much more important such as child famine in third world countries.
While I applaud Caitlyn and her being true to herself (and hope others do the same), I am SICK of the Kartrashian Clan. I have been for some time now. Jenner is a Kartrashian, thus overexposed.
I must be in the minority here, judging by what I’ve read here, and will never refer to Bruce Jenner as “Cait” or “she” or “her”. He’s a man in women’s clothing. Even if he saws his sausage off (“Coming this fall exclusively on E!”), he’s still a male. A male with issues larger than wanting to be a woman.
Such broken record, parrot responses; “bad parent”, “killed someone in a car accident”, “Bruce made terrible choices and Caitlyn is the same person”. We should just come up with some kind of abbreviations or acronyms to save you all from having to type out sentences- because it’s all the same tired stuff posted time after time in any Caitlyn Jenner thread. So much judgement trolling, sheesh.
Yes, I don’t consider a male transgendered into female unless they get the below the waist surgery. Without such, they’re just kinky.
I will not be watching. Something about this grates. Do these people think about anything else other than clothes, publicity and money? Jenner is as shallow as they come.