Daily Beast: No one in the media is buying the Cambridges’ bizarre pity party

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As we discussed on Friday, the Cambridges’ press secretary Jason Knauf issued a lengthy letter threatening the press and photographers regarding what William and Kate believe are “unauthorized photos” of Prince George. They believe that they should be able to control access to George completely, even when he is out in public with his parents, his nanny or his grandmother. You can read Jason Knauf’s letter here.

While I agreed with the general assessment that there’s a need to dial down the creepy pap-stalking of a child, I also felt unsettled by William (in particular) and his need/desire to control every aspect of the press coverage around himself and his family. This need/desire is especially odd considering he married into a family perfectly willing to call the paparazzi, set up pap-strolls and manipulate the press at will, but in William’s mind, that’s different, I guess. Anyway, The Daily Beast’s royal guy Tom Sykes has an excellent analysis of what this Kensington Palace letter means and how many in the media aren’t buying it, nor do they care. Some highlights:

Is the letter a bizarre pity-party move? “Kate and William’s bizarre decision to publish what effectively amounts to a ‘poor us’ letter begging for their kids to be left alone was treated with derision by the paparazzi photographers whose activities the palace is seeking to curtail, and the stonehearted British press pack who make a living from writing about the royals seemed equally unmoved. American magazine editors were also unimpressed, predicting that the self-pitying comments—which bewailed the possibility that Charlotte and George risk growing up “behind palace gates and in walled gardens” (I know, poor them, right?)—would not affect the appetite for snatched pics of the Royal prince and princess.”

The curious case of the paparazzo in the trunk of his car: “Take away the dramatic mood music, and what are we actually left with here? Hiding in a car might be considered a strange way to pass one’s time, but, you know what, it’s a free country. And when you break it down, really, what did this guy do that was so terrible? He put some sheets up in a car? Did he really, “create a hide stocked with food and drinks to get him through a full day of surveillance,” or did he just buy some snacks at the garage on his way to a job?”

The trade-off: “If this is as bad as it gets, in return for a ten-bedroom house in London, a twelve bedroom house in Norfolk, a blanket exemption from inheritance tax and untold millions in private earnings from vast landholdings across the UK, many people would accept the deal.”

On prominent paparazzo says: “Their bark is bigger than their bite. As long as pictures are taken legally I can’t see how they can stop it.”

One royal commentator says: “Frankly no English media organizations publish those pictures and the people who do don’t care what they think, so they need to calm down a bit.”

One senior royal correspondent says: “There was a way to write such a letter with some dignity. This wasn’t it. The tone is all wrong; self-pitying rather reasonable. You can tell it wasn’t written—or edited—by an English person, it is so over the top. They don’t understand how spoiled they sound, and how much they give the impression they resent their position, which is unattractive, given its immense importance in British life.”

Jo Piazza, a former gossip columnist, says: “It will be interesting to see if this public shaming strategy will work. Unfortunately as long as demand exists for these photos, paparazzi are going to continue to find creative ways to take pictures of the prince and princess. Celebrities, and make no mistake, that is what Will and Kate are, have long tried to shame the photographers into not taking pictures of their kids. It has worked in that large publications no longer publish unauthorized photos. But other outlets do, so the pictures will continue to be taken. It is a question of supply and demand. It is by no means right or moral, but at the end of the day, the demand is there and there is a market for these kinds of pictures… George and Charlotte are the most popular babies in the world, by far. They are really the only babies the public will truly clamor for photos of.”

[From The Daily Beast]

Sykes sees this as “risky strategy” in which William and Kate are trying to “shame” gossip consumers who like to see photos of celebrity babies, although he also thinks that Will and Kate might start suing just to see if they can get away with it. Here’s my problem with that: just in 2015 alone, there have been some sketchy “paparazzi photos” taken of William, Kate, George and Carole Middleton in Mustique, in Norfolk and in London. I put “paparazzi photos” in quotes because in some of those instances, it seemed more like just a regular person snapped a few photos on their phone and then sold the photos to an agency or something. I mean, how in the world DID Kate and George get “pap’d” in the middle of Mustique (and why didn’t William make a fuss about it)? I really want to know if that was really a paparazzo taking the photo or someone else. And if it was just an average person… then what’s the end game? As I said, when you’re in the public sphere, anything goes.

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  1. Sullivan says:

    George is a darling little rascal. I’m Ok not seeing pics of him, though. I just like knowing he’s running around a castle, chasing corgis.

  2. Maya says:

    I kind of understand where they are coming from.

    Taking pictures of children when they are not on official “promotion & duties etc” should be illegal.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Then it has to be illegal for everyone’s children in a public place. Right now, it is legal to take photographs of anyone, children included, in a public place. They’re demanding that the law not apply to them and demanding end to freedom of the press.

      • aemish says:

        <<The trade-off: “If this is as bad as it gets, in return for a ten-bedroom house in London, a twelve bedroom house in Norfolk, a blanket exemption from inheritance tax and untold millions in private earnings from vast landholdings across the UK, many people would accept the deal.”<<

        Seriously!

      • zimmer says:

        It would be nice if people would not deliberately take pictures of other’s people’s children (when I take a public picture I try to avoid taking close up’s of any one but my own), but unfortunately regulating that would be a nightmare at best and I’m not feeling the sorrow for the Duke and Duchess. They’ve gotten away with too much already.

      • katie says:

        They might accept the deal but I can almost guarantee it wouldn’t take too long for them to be saying/feeling the same way.

      • K says:

        I agree with that. I think all kids should be shielded from paparazzi, no matter who they are. There have been some awful instances of kids whose parents have died, or whose siblings have, being exposed in this way in the past, which is worse.

        On the whole though, I think the monarchy is an inherently bad thing. Not solely for the main reason, that it is just entrenching privilege via vagina of exit, but because no baby deserves to be born into a reality TV show – whatever the perks. Even Kanye West knows better than that.

      • Vava says:

        Exactly. If there is a prohibition of public photography, then it needs to apply to everyone, not just these damned royals who think they are better than everyone. The Cambridges are incredibly naive and idiotic.

      • Jib says:

        Whenever I bring this up on another site, they say it’s illegal to publish these pictures of kids in England. True?

    • Liv says:

      But what if mother, father, grandmother, grandfather are selling them out too? I have no sympathy for that. You stay quiet and try to finance yourself, just showing up to the official events, or you don’t. Their choice.

    • Thick of it says:

      @ Maya

      Their children are not private. Their childen e.g. Prince George will once be king. Therefore some pics of them taken in public is simply a matter of public interest. The problem simply is that Prince George will INHERIT the throne e.g. a political office / the “ruler-ship”. And yes, the people have a right to know things about their rulers. See, every president has his life scrutinised when they run for office. A president’s childrens’ life is not scrutinised because they don’t inherit the presidency. But a crown prince inherits his office and therefore it must be legal to find out things about them.
      How do they grow up? Do they do things ordinary children do like theatre, movies, museums, public parks? How are they educated? Public education or over-priviledged private education without any contact to average children? Do they visit ordinary fun fairs and theme parks or do they merely attent posh uppity upper-class events? Do they learn that hunting e.g. killing animals for fun is okay?
      It is simply important to know if a future king grows up and develops some kind of understanding of and resprect for ordinary people or if he grows up in a bubble unable to relate to or understand or respect ordinary people.

      Sure, the photographers should be at some distance like 20 or 30 yards away. Photos of a future king scratching his bum or adjusting his trousers above his crotch needn’t be published as they are not of interest to the public. But ultimately future kings should have their lives scrutinised by the press.

      Last but not least if his parents wanted their son to grow up normally then they could do several things:
      1. live their life more “normal”. Go to “normal” events. (Yes, I know, with a lot of bodyguards.) No posh designers and help for everything but put on the tapestries yourself. Do the cooking and cleaning yourself. Iron your shirts yourself. Have a normal hobby and develop some decent interest in something. Send your child to a public school (state education) to give them a taste of “normal children”. The swedish royal family has done that, by the way.
      2. Decline the throne. Bow out. The Royals don’t have to be royals they can get out of the line of succession.

      • ol cranky says:

        you do realize that the British monarchy doesn’t exactly have the governmental control and power that, say, Henry the VIII had? They are now figureheads so the fact it is an inherited spot shouldn’t necessarily mean that they need to have an intimate level of scrutiny as if they are running for office

      • FLORC says:

        ol cranky
        But they aren’t powerless and aren’t self sufficent. They still have sway and power and still yield it. They just have a distraction from that as figureheads, but that’s hardly all they are.

      • Dinah says:

        Well written, Maya. Thank you.

    • annieanne says:

      Agreed. And let’s remember that William’s mother was killed trying to escape from paparazzi. If anybody has the right to be sensitive about intrusive photographers, it’s him

      • Anne says:

        William’s sensitivity is understandable, but he can go overboard with it. The impression I get it that he simply doesn’t have the life experience to understand the privilege of his position. He verges on being too controlling and dogmatic in his pursuit of privacy for George, if you ask me. Their wealth can ensure strict privacy for George within certain environments. They have beautiful, private grounds, friends with children. . . . Some degree of public exposure and public interest is quite simply the trade-off of a public life. He needs to learn a more dignified way of expressing his frustrations and dealing with them.

      • Betsy says:

        Maybe. Maybe she was killed by paparazzi. And she would certainly be alive if a) her driver hadn’t been speeding and b) she’d been wearing her seatbelt.

        Diana also was friendly with many paparazzi/press and certainly had a complicated relationship with them.

      • Neonscream says:

        Williams mother courted the paps all the time, you don’t get to do that but demand they go away when you don’t feel like it. She used them, they used her. That’s how the game goes. The paparazzi didn’t kill her, getting into a car with a visibly drunk driver, not objecting (because seriously does anyone think the driver would have ignored her) when he put everyone else on the roads life at risk by driving significantly above the speed and not wearing a seatbelt killed her.

      • India Andrews says:

        Also remember William’s mother wasn’t wearing a seat belt with a drunk driver behind the wheel and no one said she had to race the photogs through Paris. They could’ve ordered a Rolls with a privacy screen and curtained windows and driven the speed limit in peace because the photogs wouldn’t have been able to see Diana, but that wasn’t Diana’s way.

        While I’m thinking about it, William’s mother also went out the front door of the hotel after a vacation whete she CALLED a photog to take pictures of her on a billionaire’s yacht. Not exactly the behavior of a victim.

    • Sarah says:

      George’s official “duty” right now is to be George and grow up to be King. I think the trade off section above was spot on.

  3. Jules says:

    The least interesting couple in the world…………..

    • Citresse says:

      But George is their ticket to being “interesting”. They know it and use it by claiming the ongoing “pity party.”

      • Thick of it says:

        George is also their stick to fence off the press. They use their little boy to forbid the press to publish information about their lazy ways. Their ump-teenth holiday in Mustique? Can’t be published because Prince George was with them?

        They disgust me so much.

      • Citresse says:

        Diana would be disappointed with William, especially with the snub to veterans. That one really bothers me. Or perhaps I have it all wrong?
        Was there some compelling reason why William is a no show? In other words, he was busy saving 22 people over the weekend from a small aircraft wreck in the Scottish hills?

      • Betti says:

        @Citresse – No, they were apparently at a wedding.

      • Deedee says:

        Rebecca English is stating via Twitter that Kate was not at the wedding.

      • India Andrews says:

        Yes, that is why they bring him out when they need some good press. They’re completely using their kid and don’t want to lose control.

  4. Sixer says:

    What was interesting to me was that my Twitter timeline was full of responses. All similar to, “How to stop paps stalking Prince George? Bin the royals! Get a republic!” or the even more direct “Oh, eff off you pair of idiots. You’re really p!ssing me off now.”

    Now, my timeline is never going to be full of royal supporters (there’s a surprise) but equally, it rarely contains anything about them at all, even if they are in the news. Those I interact with just ignore them completely most of the time. So to see a timeline full of infuriated comments from people who don’t usually GAF, says to me that Jason shot his clients in the foot with this one.

    Ha. Shades of Kelly Rutherford!

    • COSquared says:

      You know the tide is about to turn when even the sugary doesn’t buy their “woe is us” crap. Amen.

    • mm says:

      I don’t live in the UK but I was curious and looked up the newspaper front pages for Saturday. I was surprised by how the tabloids weren’t running the story as front page news but the republican Guardian was. Until I looked at the bold subheadline:

      “Met warns photographers that they are risking armed intervention by police.”

      I think the Guardian picked up on something getting lost in the whipped-up frenzy of “not my child…” William and Kate are threatening bodily harm against civilians. Seriously. They have even encouraged the police to issue a companion public statement on heightened Use of Force against suspected photographers!! That is extremely worrying and should really call the monarchy and its influence more into question.

      • notasugarhere says:

        How far are they going to push this?

      • Betti says:

        @NOTA – as far as they can get away with. I am not looking forward to him being King. He won’t be a good one and will be part time with his duties at most. He really should grow a pair and walk away from the succession, just because it’s never happened before doesn’t mean it can’t be done. Thou they might be waiting for TQ to pass as if it happened it would probably kill her.

        He doesn’t want to be King – well here’s a news flash for u Willy, the people of Britain and the Commonwealth don’t want you to be King either. So give it up.

      • bluhare says:

        Do you think that’s really it? Or more a reaction to the heightened security threats?

      • hazel says:

        Yeah, it did seem as though they were saying, ‘next time we’ll shoot’. That’ll be even more disturbing to the kids.

      • wolfie says:

        It could be argued that if they are worried about terrorist threats in relation to Bill and Cathy, then they are a threat to public safety. Can you imagine taking your child to the park and being asked to lock your phones because the royals are there? Very entitled of them.

      • India Andrews says:

        William’s behavior isn’t a reaction to heightened security threats. He’s been this way since childhood.

    • Sixer says:

      mm – as I said on the previous post, a smidgeon (only a smidgeon, mind) of negativity crept into the BBC reporting of this letter, too. And that’s almost unheard of.

      • LAK says:

        Speaking previously unconcerned people and whatnot, it’s interesting that prior to his wedding, when the public had little to no information about William, there were regular calls for Charles to be skipped so that crown would go directly to William.

        Post wedding, it’s rare to read or hear that call even when Charles is being called a tit, no one calls for him to be skipped anymore.

        And Kate is the most important reason that Camilla’s PR has changed. It felt forced pre-wedding, but after people had a good look at Kate, Camilla didn’t seem to bad afterall.

      • Sixer says:

        Couldn’t agree more.

      • Sharon Lea says:

        LAK – I’ve been thinking the same thing, that it seems like Camilla is getting better press coverage lately, good pictures of her laughing, with common folk or interacting with animals etc in comparison to Kate. Charles has to be feeling some sort of relief his long campaign to get her accepted is finally paying off! ha

      • notasugarhere says:

        Or maybe Camilla is just a more relaxed, easy person to be around than Middleton. Charles cannot control every word written about Camilla. What has emerged since their marriage is a record of people meeting Camilla and finding her intelligent, engaging, and interesting. All the PR hacks in the world wouldn’t have improved her public reputation if Camilla acted like an entitled twit all the time. (Are you reading this Jason? Yes, of course you are.)

      • Liberty says:

        LAK, +1

  5. COSquared says:

    It’s interesting to note that it’s the sugars who reblog and post these pics. Then those same people cry “oh poor them!” when their whiny sweethearts issue threats. Hypocrites, just like their golden couple. Anyhoo, Mustique Round(??) is coming in November. Billy needs a break from EAA and DK needs “a break from Royal duties”. A direct quote, ladies.

    • anne_000 says:

      I read that article too.

      It was funny. I don’t know if it was meant to be flattering or sarcastic.

      It rained on the day Kate was planning to throw a big party at AH, so she needs to exorcise out that bad memory with sunny days in Mustique.

      Also, that W&K need a “proper break” from all the stresses of William’s (joyriding) copter job and Kate performing royal duties.

    • bluhare says:

      the terms “sugars” and “haters” turn people who have varying points of view into two homogenous camps to pit against each other.

  6. PHD Gossip says:

    The U.K. Mail punished them immediately with a nasty story how Kate henpecks William and “doesn’t let him out of her sight” for social occasions.

    • Kaiser says:

      I know! Shhh… I’m going to do a few royal stories tomorrow and hopefully the UK press will be in full revolt for weeks. I’m looking forward to it.

      • Sharon Lea says:

        haha, I know, I am kind of excited to see what stories will now be popping up! Today’s DM article seems to circle back to Kate ‘went after’ William hard prior to marrying and now doesn’t have to even fake liking the people in her social circle? If the DM keeps at it, their circle will really start to dislike her and people will start talking. What will Carole do then?

      • Andrea S. says:

        @Kaiser Plz do a royal backlash roundup tom!! Those & the Affleck nanny stories have been THE best lately 🙂

    • Betti says:

      LOL just read that article. Nothing new really – its well known she’s doesn’t trust him.

      Its the same scenario with one of my brothers. When he and his now wife got married they were fine with his family and friends – soon as the ring was on her finger he started to withdraw from his family and stopped seeing his friends, got worse when the kids came along and they moved away to be close to her family. Cut a long story short she caused a family fall out recently after storming out of my parents house with the kids because my mother, who suffers from advanced dementia, said something to the kids that she (SIL) didn’t like. My mother can’t really string a sentence together and when she does make sense she gets her words mixed up – there was no untoward behaviour. She over reacted and told my brother that our mum used bad language which wasn’t true and it caused an argument.

      I can see this happening here. Kate is her mothers daughter, controlling. She wants to be the centre of his world – she has no friends on her own and doesn’t want him to have any either.

    • MinnFinn says:

      I saw that article PHD and it was a doozy. If there was a Pulitzer for British-style derisive journalism, that piece would be this year’s winner.

      • belle de jour says:

        “You can tell it wasn’t written—or edited—by an English person, it is so over the top. ”

        That little dig cracked me up. The whole lot will soon have their noses turned up so high that they’ll drown like turkeys in the rain.

    • LAK says:

      Not only that Kate henpecks William, but also pointed out William’s alcoholic ways.

      It’s similar to those blinds that on the surface are telling you one thing, but are really pointing out something else.

      Eg William goes to weddings alone (public knowledge)

      Kate never attends social things with WILLIAM anymore (public knowledge)

      William DRANK SO MUCH AT A WEDDING HE LOST A TOOTH (Bingo!!)

      • Betti says:

        Willy’s always liked a drink and I can see why she reign’s him in – getting falling down drunk and loosing a tooth is not good for the brand image.

      • LAK says:

        We know that, but the general public doesn’t know how much he drinks.

        It’s very rare that his drinking habits are brought up to extent that most people still think he either doesn’t drink or is a responsible drinker.

        The rest of the article was a litany of what else is knew.

      • suze says:

        William’s great grandfather ( George VI) was an alcoholic, which coupled with his heavy smoking, led to his early death. It could be history coming around again.

      • Thick of it says:

        His aristo friends don’t seem to help either, I guess. They seem like frat boys to me. And being in the military doesn’t help either, I guess. (Military drinks a lot, speaking generally.) And the hunting crowd isn’t averse to drinking either, I suppose.

      • Betti says:

        @Thick – yes he is def a frat boy. Binge drinking is common amongst the military, hunting and football/rugby crowds and to be honest its a blight on the British culture. We do have that unfortunate rep of drinking waay to much.

        Personally I’ve never had a problem with any bf going out with his mates on his own – seems she maybe using the kids and hrs he works with his little job (not that he does all req shifts anyway) to keep him on a short lease. Thats never a good sign and it will only serve to drive him away as he will come to resent it.

      • Thick of it says:

        @ Betti

        Precisely. A relationship between adults must be different from a relationship between parent and child. I am not sure I see two adults in Kate and William. It seems they are more like Affleck and Garner. That marriage (of convenience) produced a lot of good for nearly a decade if you overlook certain issues. But then it came crashing down. And I doubt it was too nice a marriage for Garner.

        I think there will be another divorce in the royal family.

      • Ruckhappy says:

        Can you imagine the scandal if ol’ Bill blew a blood test after a routine screening for his piloting job?

        And please, don’t link ruggers to the chav drinking habits of certain Brits. After 90 minutes of Greco-Roman wrestling even Carrie Nation would down half a dozen pints.

    • anne_000 says:

      It sounds like the image DM is going for is the Good mom/Bad mom routine.

      Carole is there to indulge him. Kate is there to discipline him.

      And it makes it seem like William is weak-minded and weak-willed and a perpetual man-child.

      • Betti says:

        Interesting take but I don’t know. Willy isn’t as weak willed as they are trying to make him out to be – he has shown before he can put them in their place (forcing Kate to sue the family pap Tanna) and will do so again if pushed. He indulges them as much (the Carole pap strolls with George) as they him – not a very healthy relationship by any means.

      • Thick of it says:

        @ Betti @ anne_000

        I agree with both of your statements. However I wonder which of them will turn out to be stronger? William or the Middleton clan? The Middletons are more in numbers.

        It seems to me that William has never developed any deeper interest in anything except what is expected of him: like some sport, some military and flying stuff and hunting. Prince Charles is into architecture and conservation. Princess Anne is into light houses allegedly, and horses. The Queen has her horses and her corgis and her art collections to which she adds. But William? And to me it seems that Kate is just the same. She doesn’t have any deeper interests either. When I saw her first official portrait I couldn’t believe that a history of art graduate would have had painted such a creepy cheesy boring cheap-looking portrait of herself as her first official portrait. Seriously it looked like on of these portraits which those “artists” on fun fairs draw of yourself. Devoid of any character or personality and over-use of soft-focus effects.

        Even the artists seemed a bit embarrassed and that shone through in his interview. His other paintings aren’t as bad as Kate’s portrait so he can paint.

      • Liberty says:

        A weak lazy man, given to the occasional petulant outburst when he can be bothered to marshal the energy? Maybe…that?

      • Anne says:

        I wonder if the royal courtiers ever regret the influence the Middletons appear to have on William. It seems to me that the establishment lost influence over Williams as a result of, among other things, the way they behaved during the so-called “War of the Waleses” and the attempts made by Charles’ staff to paint his mother as unstable. There doesn’t seem to be a lot of emotional intelligence at work there, does there?

      • ArtHistorian says:

        Thick of it,

        I think one of the big problems with the portrait (which is indeed much worse than his other work) is that she only did one or two sittings. He mainly worked from a photograph, which isn’t a bad thing in and of itself. Photography has been a useful tool for portraiture, especially group portraits for a long time. However, a good portrait is more than a likeness, it should also capture/relay an impression of the sitter’s personality. That can only happen with actual sittings (plural) – and conversation.

        It is always very interesting reading comments/interviews with portrait painters because they usually have some good stories about famous people they have portrayed.

    • Jib says:

      And there’s a story now about how Kate’s brother’s marshmallow company lost $390,000. The gloves are coming off!

  7. Betti says:

    Its image control – nothing more, nothing less. The privacy pity party will back fire on them, particularly when the inevitable ‘pap’ shots of them in Mustique next holiday come out and they don’t complain. They’ve made their bed with the press, why don’t they just lie in it.

    The press take down of these 2 will be epic when it happens.

    • Mara says:

      This letter seemed almost amateurish. I don’t think William fully appreciates that the RF need the press more than the press need them (although the UK media are fully aware of this).In the long run I wonder whether this will lead to Prince Charles getting his wish and amalgamating the press offices under his staff’s oversight.

      • Betti says:

        “In the long run I wonder whether this will lead to Prince Charles getting his wish and amalgamating the press offices under his staff’s oversight.”

        This has already happened – it happened in 2013/14 i think. Thou from what i can tell from press reports it hasn’t worked out and they have effectively gone separate again.

      • Mara says:

        Exactly when it was first widely announced it was implied that this was part of the gradual transition of Charles becoming King before being quietly shelved and labelled a ‘trial merger.’ If William continues to play the media game it only gives Charles more ammunition to take away his Kensington press office again and this time permanently.

      • Thick of it says:

        The letter wasn’t only amateurish but also short-sighted in strategic terms. The Royal family will be around for a while so that should be taken into account when dealing with the press. It is a long-term relationship but this letter treats it as if it were a short-term problem.

        I find it hard to believe that an experienced pr would write that. So did William write it himself and just made his pr staff sign it?

  8. Birdix says:

    They have a new baby girl, they want to be able to protect her (and George) from all that the world will throw at her. And at some level they know they can’t and are afraid she’ll end up like Diana.

    And maybe they are a bit tired from the baby schedule, and thus irrational/histrionic like Americans/Australians/Canadians etc, so this happens: “You can tell it wasn’t written—or edited—by an English person, it is so over the top…”

    • agnes says:

      They don’t want their children to die like Diana?
      Then they* should teach them to ALWAYS wearing their seatbelts. Pretty easy *shrugs*

      *or instruct one of the nannies to do so

      • Citresse says:

        Or keep an adequate level of security (their own bodyguards and Royal vehicles) with them. Diana was a rebel.

      • Birdix says:

        Well, clearly I’m swimming against the tide here, but what I meant is that for a new parent, a baby is perfect innocence, perfect potential. That all changes of course, but the urge to protect them is so strong in those early months it makes people nutty. William saw the gilded cage his mother lived in and how miserable/unhealthy it made her at times. He sees this wonderful baby and knows how tough the world can be on girls… The sentiment is so common, if not realistic in this case. It’ll be a tall order to parent these kids well, in these times.

      • suze says:

        Don’t want to be like Diana? Don’t call the paps in when you want them and expect them to disperse when you don’t want them. Use royal RPOs (no drunk drivers), buckle up, and carry on.

        Ok, adding this since I just read your next comment. I understAnd what you’re saying. But they have been given so much, they need to understand that there are trade offs. Accept, figure it out, and move on. Stop whining.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Fact is William has resented photographers from childhood. He has tried these anti-press tactics long before the kids arrived. You see, if they’re not allowed to photograph the kids in public, they’re not allowed to photograph him in public if he’s with them. Exactly what he’s always wanted, a complete and illegal photography ban. This isn’t related to protecting the children. He is using them as his latest excuse to try to shut down press freedom.

      • suze says:

        GNAT: I see Birdix’s point. And yours. I just feel that Normal Bill’s unresolved issues vis a vis his mother have been addressed by the commetariat here over and over again. For years. I took a two year break, came back, and the conversation still rages on. So, yes, he probably feels, and there is some truth to it, that his mother was hounded to her death. Whether or not that is the entire story, it’s how he feels. He is the last person on earth who would be objective about it, after all.

        Still, I dont think anyone here thinks Diana deserved to die.

    • GoodNamesAllTaken says:

      Birdix, I agree with you. Unfortunately, you mentioned Diana, and people just adore blaming her for her own death, so they pretend she wouldn’t have died had she not been smart about using the press, that she knew the driver of her car was drunk, and that she wasn’t being chased by paps when she died. Oh, and she wasn’t wearing a seatbelt, so of course, she deserved to die.

      Anyway, we need stricter laws about protecting CHILDREN from the mobs of press. I am so tired of hearing how people have an “interest” or a “right” to see a two year old. What about his rights? And Charlotte’s? Maybe William remembers having giant crowds of cameras flashing in his face and adults screaming at him before he was old enough to understand why, and he wants to protect his children from that. Maybe he doesn’t agree that his mother deserved to die because she wasn’t perfect. The press used to run up to Diana’s car window and scream “you ugly c$nt!” at her so they could get a picture of her crying. Maybe he remembers that.

      William and Kate are lazy and don’t deserve all of their money and privilege, but that’s not George or Charlotte’s fault. If we can’t get together as adults to protect toddlers and infants from scary experiences they are too young to deal with, regardless of how we feel about their parents or who they are, or however much we enjoy pictures of them, we should be ashamed of ourselves.

      • suze says:

        No one said Diana deserved to die.

        I suppose some of us do “adore” pointing out the facts of her death. Drunk driver, no seatbelt, no royal protection. The paps were there, yes, as they were for much of her life. But the “hounded to death” narrative is not the entire story.

      • GoodNamesAllTaken says:

        Please. Read the comments. The implication is clear – she caused her own death. Not one of you mention that she never would have died had the paps not engaged in a dangerous high speed chase. No one says she had no way of knowing her driver was drunk. The focus is all on why it was her fault. And THAT’s not “the entire story.”

      • MinnFinn says:

        Goodnames, Afaik, paps have not mobbed around George or screamed at him. RPOs would never allow that. And most of the ‘unauthorized’ published photos were taken by paps who were out of sight and using a long lens.

        When the Telegraph asked BP why they didn’t threaten to sue the man who papped Kate and George changing planes enroute to Mustique in 2014, they said “We would of course prefer that the pictures hadn’t been published, but in this instance there was no harassment and no pursuit. The pictures were all taken at an airport and the Duchess didn’t know she was being photographed.”
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/kate-middleton/10615637/Duchess-of-Cambridge-will-not-take-action-over-paparazzi-pictures-of-Prince-George.html

        As for George and Charlotte’s rights, they already have the best money can buy to defend their right to use public space and to be safe wherever they are. They have high tech surveillance, body guards, bullet and bomb resistant cars and homes, 24X7 body guards, another 100+ staff dedicated to just the BRF working behind the scenes at Scotland Yard, legal counsel if it becomes necessary to obtain a restraining order and immediate access to whatever authority approves the orders in the UK.

        Willy is trying to kill a fly with an atom bomb. A law restricting photography in a public space is good for Willy but really really bad for everyone else.

      • Jaded says:

        @GNAT – I agree, and add to that the fact that Dodi insisted they change hotels and was urging Henri Paul to drive faster and faster so as far as I see it both Diana and Dodi were complicit in their own deaths.

        As far as the whiny and threatening tone W & K took about the paparazzi hounding their kids, in one sense they are just being normal protective parents but they aren’t in a normal situation. Look at the number of photo ops both William’s parents and grandparents did willingly when their children were young. Even the Queen and Princess Margaret were trotted out on a regular basis. William continues to offend with his petulant, insular, entitled attitude and if he wants to lead a private and lazy “country” life then step out of the line of succession. But no, that would mean a huge drop in income so it ain’t gonna happen.

      • suze says:

        “Scream into her face”? Well, perhaps once she dismissed royal protection, but that was a specific circumstance that doesn’t apply to the current royal family.

        Do you think this is happening to Kate? To George? To Charlotte? To William?

        What has happened is that paps have gone to great lengths, creepy at times, to get photos, as they do. The Cambridges don’t like it, naturally.

      • bluhare says:

        GNAT, I think it goes without saying that she wouldn’t have died if she hadn’t been chased by a horde of photographers. Do we have to mention it every time? I think you make a good point that she could have been clueless as to the condition of the driver, but the security people should have got that. Which brings us to the point that probably the worst decision she made was refusing RPO protection. They would have protected her from the media frenzy that became her life, and they all say that if they were on duty seatbelts would have been worn and hopefully they’d notice if the driver smelled of booze.

        But Diana DID have some responsibility. She didn’t buckle her seatbelt. And I think it’s sad that the most charismatic woman in the world died such a tragically common death — being in the car with a drunk driver.

        Does that mean we think she “caused her own death”? Keep in mind responses like this are generally in response to “his mother who the paparazzi drove to her death”. They did. And she helped by playing a media game and not fastening her seatbelt. Her boyfriend and his cowboy security did the rest.

      • LAK says:

        GNAT: I think you fail to see that the circumstances of Diana’s death were all preventable.

        She made a mistake that cost her life. Starting with the decision to dispense with Palace protection which, as @Minnfinn above points out, is quite extensive. The paps would not have been able to get close enough to her car to shout those things. It’s one of the tasks that the RPOs do to keep paps and the public at a distance from the royal.

        Similar comparable situation is Suri Cruise. Until her parents stopped using her for PR, the security hired to protect her was laughable. Paps were allowed to get within touching distance of her which always made me wince. RPOs would never allow that.

        Kate and Diana’s security prior to their wedding was either non existent or not upto RPO standard which meant more harassment and paps getting too close to them. Post wedding, security around them was/is such that paps are/were lucky to get any close ups without the use of long lenses.

        Diana dispensed with her RPOs and general Palace protection after the divorce which returned her to pre-engagement lack of security compounded by the fact that in the decade past she had become the no 1 female pap target (JFK Jr being the no 1 male target).

        You see ran of the mill celebrities taking measures to prevent the sort of risks she took, and they certainly don’t rock up to a boat load of paps and promise them a big surprise and not expect the ensuing pap feeding frenzy.

        No one thinks she deserves to die, but this was a series of bad judgement on her part that led to her death.

      • FLORC says:

        Bluhare/LAK
        Well stated.

        GNAT
        I’m not going to pile on anything. Just that I adore your comments/thoughts on so many things! This isn’t 1 though.

      • Ellen2 says:

        I can still be quite furious with Diana for not wearing her seatbelt. It absolutely makes me rage. But her decision to dispense with RPO, while deeply regrettable in hindsight, was driven by real fears she had about being spied upon. Diana didn’t trust anyone inside the Firm by 1996, and as irrationally conspiracy-minded as she could be, it’s hard to argue with her judgment on that point. Her phones were tapped, her movements were tracked, and she wanted out of that environment. She was a real mess in many ways but in Diana’s shoes, I might have dismissed RPO, myself.

      • Citresse says:

        Someone took a photo of Diana’s car just before they entered the tunnel. Others knew the route Henri planned, away from Dodi’s apartment. Why they chose that route no one has really answered. There’s so much speculation. But I don’t believe Diana planned to marry Dodi. Not at all.

      • bluhare says:

        I agree she had reason to be suspicious. But she didn’t hire her own security either and should have. And I suspect some of the reason she didn’t want it was due to Hasnat Kahn.

      • GoodNamesAllTaken says:

        My point is, Birdix made a point about feeling protective of one’s children, and in passing, remarked that William believes that his mother was hounded to death by the paps. No one even responded to or addressed her main point, because everybody was so anxious to jump on the bad Diana train. Yes, she should have worn her seatbelt. Yes, she should have hired her own security. I don’t blame her for not using the RPO, because she believed they were spying on her and reporting back, and whether or not she was right, that’s no way to live. I don’t know why she was with Dodi in the first place, as by all accounts he was a creep. But I think she thought he or his father had the ability to protect her. She was obviously wrong.

        We can argue all day long that she would have lived if she had worn her seatbelt. I don’t see how that makes her death any less the pap’s fault. They had NO business doing what they did, chasing a car at high speed, regardless of what was going on inside the car. Diana would not be dead if they hadn’t done what they did. In a court of law, they would be responsible because their reckless behavior started a chain of events that caused her death. If you run someone off the road because you’re texting and they die, you can’t say, well they should have been wearing their seatbelt. You killed them. At the very least, even if it is your personal belief that her own actions lead to her death, I would think you could understand how Wiiliam believes they killed her, and how it would influence his feelings about controlling that aspect of his children’s lives. We are all just human, with everything that has delighted, enlightened, frightened and traumatized us coming together with rational thought to form our opinions. I think William is a big, lazy brat, but I really don’t find it surprising that he has intense feelings about this.

      • Thick of it says:

        I do not support abuse by photographers when they provoke the people they photograph. Sure photographers should stay at a lengthy distance which isn’t a problem nowadays thanks to long-distance lenses. But they must be allowed to photograph the ruling class.

        And William and his family aren’t “normal”. Prince George will be king one day and the public has the right to know how he grows up. I needn’t see pics how he pokes his nose or scratches his unmentionable parts. But I would like to know how he grows up and if has some kind of understanding and some kind of respect for ordinary people.

      • LAK says:

        GNAT: we can’t take away William’s feelings about how his mother died, but to blame it on the paps is disingenuous since he was very aware of his mother’s game with them and how the paps reacted to it.

        That last summer, they had a series of arguments about her acting in ways that created a frenzy, and indeed this was his last conversation with her.

        It’s easily convenient for him to scapegoat the paps when it is also fact that he hated photographers + paps even as a young child. It’s well documented.

        He can’t very well say that he is banning photography + paps because he has always hated them. It’s much more convenient for him to keep saying, whether he believes it or not, that he hates them due to their hounding of his mother because that works and it works spectacularly with the public.

        It’s as lazy for him as using Diana as the excuse for Kate not to work.

        BTW: this doesn’t excuse Dodi, patron saint of bad decisions, and the Fayed lackadaisy security.

        Completely OT: that creepy altar to Diana and Dodi is still up in Harrods despite Fayed selling the store to the Qataris. Urgh.

      • FLORC says:

        LAK
        Ugh that has always appeared in bad taste. Especially after finding how Diana felt about Dodi and his family. And I bet it would be hell to remove. Would it be possible there’s something in a sale contract to keep it up?

        And yes. I think it’s likely William would have always taken this restrictive route with the press. What’s interesting about it is how the phtogs/press allow this treatment. That if they don’t someone else will. Not holding a united front for the sake of press freedoms.

      • aurelia says:

        Oh I remember the changing planes en route to mustique, it was when somebody took a photo of kate on a fag break smoking.

      • Birdix says:

        oh my goodness! Appreciation here for GNAT trying to elucidate the point I was trying to make, which yes, was completely lost in the Diana shuffle. I will not make the mistake of referring to Diana in passing again… wow! The point I was trying to make was about Charlotte, and her being all sweetness and helplessness in this moment and her parents, like any parents, having that very strong desire to make sure she’ll be OK growing up. And all this said, the Cambridges will soon be referred to as helicopter parents I imagine, but it’s a bit early for the “blessings of a skinned knee” philosophy to kick in yet.

      • India Andrews says:

        I think the reason the “people blaming Diana” stuff comes up is because William so unrelentingly blames the press and let’s his mom and Dodi off the hook completely. It is like any situation where someone has such a black and white view of something. You want to start throwing gray at them because the situation wasn’t that simplistic.

  9. suze says:

    I don’t think Normal Bill and Cathy are very good at managing press relations.

    I am also interested in Tom Sykes agenda. He has been playing all sides but lately been more anti Cambridge. He is right in that there trade offs in life. To whom much is given much is expected. So step up Cambridges and then we will talk.

    • COSquared says:

      TS is an enigma : seems both anti-H & anti-Cambridge. Did their grey men piss him off?

    • Sixer says:

      I sometimes wonder if sending Normal Bill to Eton was the worst idea Diana ever had. Normal Bill’s definition of “normal” is the entitlement of his trustafarian peers there. Charles went along with it because he had hated Gordonstoun, but I think Bill might have had the personal tools to make a more realistic settlement between position and life choices had he gone almost anywhere else.

      • suze says:

        Exactly. His idea of normal is anything but. But why Cathy, who does know normal, doesn’t enlighten him is a mystery.

        I tend to think she would be fine with being entirely royal – much like the QM.

      • Sixer says:

        I think Cathy just has Hyacinth Bucket Syndrome, so she’s a lost cause.

        I do wonder if Normal Bill had been sent to a less conventional school – anywhere on the spectrum from the fresh-air-and-exercise Gordonstoun to the hippy dippy Tilda Swinton sort of place – he might have done better. Instead, he went to Eton with all the other prep>Eton>Oxbridge>life of unaccountable ease/establishment job trustafarians.

        None of them have ever had to create a settlement between internal wants and external pressures in order to live their lives. But Normal Bill was always going to have to. I think any school outside of that Britisher 1% conveyor belt would have done more for him. You know?

      • suze says:

        I agree Sixer. Gordonstoun might have been very good for both Wills and Harry, or any other institution.

        It amazes me that attending Eton (!) was considered a concession to a normal upbringing. No wonder he is skewed.

      • Sixer says:

        “attending Eton (!) was considered a concession to a normal upbringing”

        It was. And that’s exactly it, isn’t it?

      • Thick of it says:

        @ Sixer

        Thank you for your comments!

        Btw. the swedish royal family has sent their children to normal ordinary schools (or at least to a normal primary school). It is a start.

        I think they made lots of mistakes in the Royal Family when it comes to education. Too much private education. Not enough “normal” and not enough “average”. William doesn’t seem to have any clues how life is outside the circles of his priviledges. Nor is he capable of ruling his priviledged circles, it seems.

        Sadly it is unlikely that the Middleton clan will change anything about that.

      • LAK says:

        You know how Carole and the Middletons will try their hardest to make sure he doesn’t walk away from the Crown? They will explode if there is any suggestion that the kids attend state school with regular kids. That is a given. Even if that school is the best state school in the land.

      • DarkSparkle says:

        Sixer – you just sent me down a google rabbit hole with Hyacinth Bucket Syndrome – fascinating. Today I learned!

      • Sixer says:

        Thick – thanks! The sad thing is that I wasn’t even advocating state education. But here in the UK, there is a particular path for maintaining old money, 1% status. It goes prep school to Eton/Harrow/Rugby to Oxbridge to life of ease on family money or high status job within the establishment.

        There are other paths for privileged Britons and ER used one of them in Gordonstoun for her children. I think she did them a favour because the kids there might have been wealthy and privileged, but the education focused on much more than just assuming the station of their parents.

        The problem for Bill attending Eton is that he was never going to be able to sit back and enjoy his money, or take his pick from a variety of establishment jobs that didn’t ask much of him. So I think Eton has done nothing but exacerbate his resentment.

        LAK – absolutely.

      • Suze says:

        The problem for Bill attending Eton is that he was never going to be able to sit back and enjoy his money, or take his pick from a variety of establishment jobs that didn’t ask much of him. So I think Eton has done nothing but exacerbate his resentment.

        This – so true.

        He saw what the others around him were going to be able to do and has spent the years since just seething that he can’t do the same thing.

        The thing that puzzles me is that he has to absorbed some of the effort/striving/work Carole and Michael put into getting where they are – why hasn’t that registered? He must realize on some level that normal life is some work.

      • Thick of it says:

        @ Suze

        You would be right to assume that William should have learned that normal life is some work if he had ever met people who live a normal life.
        I doubt that he ever met such people. Not at school nor at his elite university where he seemed to mostly stick to his own group of rich and/or aristo friends. Then when he went to the army he became an officer and that means he had mostly uppity and upper middle class (and higher) colleagues as the upper ranks of the army and especially an institution like Sandringham are still littered with uppity and upper people.
        William doesn’t spend much time at his flying job – he nearly didn’t even get enough mandatory flying hours to keep his licence because he worked so rarely.
        The Middletons seem to have some money from some inheritance and/or from Carole’s businessman brother. So they aren’t exactly working their b++ts off. Nor did Kate ever work much except perhaps for her academic stuff. She apparently had decent grades. BUT especially pupils at private schools get A LOT OF help with everything. It is like they can’t fail that is how much help they get. Additional tutors. Repeating exams. Everything from their laundry to dinner and cleaning is done for them.

  10. Lara says:

    The letter just made me aware that there are those pictures out there and if I wanted to google them I could. I think more people have probably looked at them now.

  11. Hazel says:

    Harrumph–yeah, that’s us, undignified, over-the-top Americans. Blame it on the Yankee press agent, not his dignified, restrained, Royal employers. 😜

    • COSquared says:

      Probably the main reason why an American was hired was because they’d perfect the art of Sugaring of The American Tabloid Royal Watchers. Jason probably knows tons of US editors.

    • Ellen2 says:

      I think that’s shade not just on the American PR staff but also on William’s apparent preference for a sort of American celebrity, where he has lots of privilege and not much responsibility. I mean, it’s throwing shade on American-ness but directed as much at Will as at his press office.

      • hazel says:

        Both interesting points–which leads to a question, why would a British Royal care about the American celebrity press? I find that fascinating. We’re not the ones who may or may not overthrow his life, the British voting public are.

  12. jeanne says:

    you’ve got to give it the “striped shirt” test. If Kate’s wearing one of her striped shirts and skinny jeans AND her hair is down then you know she knows she’s going to get papped (and most likely staged it) like “george’s first mystique vacation” pic above. if she’s in normal clothes then she didn’t expect the photog. It’s as easy as that. Remember the Cambridges aren’t the smartest limbs on the acorn tree branch.

    • Citresse says:

      Here’s a better option for Kate: get some new clothes and get to work!

    • mm says:

      Ha! Excellent detective work!!

    • MinnFinn says:

      jeanne – What a brilliant observation!

    • jeanne says:

      Yes, we all have to remember it’s her “casual work” uniform. She only wears it when she’s performing.

      And the hair is a dead giveaway. Most times it looks like she tore out her ponytail and fluffed her hair right before the cameras descended. She actually tends to wear her hair up in a ponytail most of the time like when she’s out shopping with her mom or on a casual date with William. I’ve seen photos where her hair is down on the way into a restaurant but she’ll put it up inside when she thinks it’s just her and William eating.

      If we know anything about Kate Middleton, it’s that she’s OBVIOUS.

    • Thick of it says:

      From what I see and hear about Kate I hope I don’t ever have to get to know her in person. Bland, vain, image-conscious. All appearance and surface and no substance.

      • jeanne says:

        but she bagged the most eligible bachelor in the world, right? so there has to be something to her. she has to be special in some way… funny, smart, something… what was it about her? a lot of girls are hot, what “it” does she have?

      • Betti says:

        @Jeanne – a lack of self respect. She allowed him to treat her like crap. She was his go to girl, the girl he’d call when he was bored or his side piece dumped him. She hung around waiting for him to call and would go running with her overnight shag bag when he did and the creep out early the next day. She was the only woman left standing willing to put up with him.

      • FLORC says:

        The most eligible bachelor no one wanted. His roaming eye was said to be an issue with all and how Kate caught his eye when he wasn’t single.

        Betti
        Ugh it’s a terrible way to get a guy. Not something to aspire to.

      • jeanne says:

        @ florc. But I still don’t get it. He picked her for the most high profile royal position of our generation because she hung around and looked the other way? There has to be something more. He has to love something about her that is lost to the rest of us and I just can’t pinpoint. Especially with the new “Kate henpecks William” DM article out today. Why would she get away with telling him to stay away from his friends and not go out so much anymore if she was just a wife by name? I truly believe he loves her I just wish they would let the world see why. She maintains this boring enigma that leaves me scratching my head.

        It’s funny, with Charles people wondered why he didn’t love his wife since the world clearly did. With William it’s almost the other way around.

      • Thick of it says:

        @ jeanne

        I find it more interesting to explore if all eligible bachelors demand that their girlfriend / wives act like Doormat Middleton. ;-D

        Does anybody have any inside information?

      • Snarky_Lurker says:

        This might not clear up what he sees in her, but I have a friend who has a cousin who went to St. Andrews at the same time as Will and Kate. (Yes, this is a friend of a friend story. Take it with a grain of salt if you’d like.) But anyhoo, she said that in person he is VERY underwhelming, particularly in the looks department. She said she actually found him strikingly unattractive in person. Apparently it was a bit of a joke amongst the girls – that this was the guy they were all supposed to be fawning over.

      • Anne says:

        @Jeanne

        I’ll take a guess.

        I think they’re both homebodies. I think her close family ties give William the sense of family life and normalcy he’s always wanted. I think she is strong and grounded, where he tends to be emotional, and he finds that supportive. I think she understands all the rules and traditions of living within the confines of his position and accepts them, which makes her safe and reliable as a partner. I also think that, in her own conservative way, she’s up for a laugh and a bit of mischief, which he likes.

        Based on their interactions with each other, that’s my guess as to the basis of their relationship. I think they get along and are well suited as friends. I think it’s largely the convenience of that comfortable fit that has solidified their relationship. I also think she indulged him quite a bit in terms of taking on the social circle of his choice, etc. I don’t think it’s a great passionate thing or that he finds her admirable in some unique way.

        I could be wrong. Just my impression.

  13. Kiddo says:

    I would like to know the origins of ‘pity party’. I have images of Monty Python characters serving cold tea with pathetic stories, and arguing about who has it worse. Or maybe it’s just a morose political group: The Pity Party. People only vote for them because they feel really really sorry for them.

    • LAK says:

      Me too.

      I first came upon the phrase in Vanity Fair magazine in the now infamous interview that Jen Aniston gave about her feelings regarding Brad Pitt back in 2005.

    • GoodNamesAllTaken says:

      I tried to look it up for both of you, but I became frustrated and gave up. I now know the origin of the word “pity” and of the expression “I pity the fool” by Mr. T. So, thanks for that. I can rest my brain now.

    • bluhare says:

      I just googled it, and have no idea but found some exceedingly interesting phrases and definitions on Urban Dictionary. 😀

    • MinnFinn says:

      1974 is the earliest use of that phrase I was able to find.

      1974 — Harold Hill, How to Live Like a King’s Kid, Logos International (1974), ISBN 9780882700861, page 108: A lot of people enjoy poor health. It’s a good way to throw a **pity party** and have somebody else feel sorry for you if you’re sick enough, enough of the time.

      https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Citations:pity_party#English

  14. Emily says:

    I love the part where they straight-up dissed Jason (he’s American). “You can tell the letter wasn’t written by an English person.” LOL!

    • LAK says:

      As my mama always says, no one is better at insults whilst maintaining a veneer of absolute politeness like an Englishman.

      • MinnFinn says:

        LAK, +1 It really is a form of high art.

      • bluhare says:

        Not really, MinnFinn. One just needs a gullible audience. Tea?

      • LAK says:

        B: a saucer of milk with that tea? 🙂

      • bluhare says:

        Didn’t I get the nuance right, LAK? I was going for politely insulting, not catty.

        Bummer. And here I thought I nailed it. 😉

      • MinnFinn says:

        Tea, heck yeah! Promise some scones too and I’ll be on the next plane.

      • LAK says:

        You got it right. I was the one being catty. Dammit, i’ll never get it right. Back to professor higgins I go.

      • notasugarhere says:

        I can see all the royal reporters simply calling Jason, The American. “Who released that statement? Ah, The American.” (Shades of Wallis Simpson)

      • LAK says:

        Nota: I couldn’t help laughing at your comment. Imagine Jeeves being asked who wrote this drivel and his response being, ‘The American. Sir’

      • bluhare says:

        Ha, MinnFinn! You’re too easy! 🙂

        LAK, the Baroness is giving “How to Politely Insult a Moron” lessons in the drawing room at 4:00pm.

  15. Ally.M says:

    The press have far too much power in the UK, which has been proven again and again. George and Charlotte have the right to grow up privately without creepy paps stalking them. I’m not jumping on the William and Kate hate train on this one.

    • Don't kill me I'm French says:

      +1

    • Jib says:

      The children are, weirdly enough to we Americans, public figures. They aren’t like the children of the President. So either deal with it by bringing your kids’ friends to your thousands of private acres to play, or abdicate. Simple.

      And anyone who says any press has “too much power” scares the heck out of me. Maybe you’d prefer the days of Henry VIII, where kings ruled and killed you if you stepped out of line. No pushy press back then!

      • Neonscream says:

        It’s also a weird comment coming from an American. The U.S. press has far far more latitude to print whatever they like, defamation & privacy laws are much stricter in the UK.

  16. Lamppost says:

    I’m from the UK and desperately wish these two would p!ss off and get jobs. They are the very definition of public property (they certainly cost us enough) and while any photographer that puts a child in danger should be prosecuted, they have no right to a media ban. If they want to be treated like private citizens then abdicate and do us all a favour!

  17. MinnFinn says:

    This will not be a popular opinion but here it is anyway.

    I actually am concerned about the pap who they claimed was hiding in his car with a supply of snacks. If the guy was in a public space he should not have to hide. He probably could have been arrested for loitering if he did not hide. But seriously, where is the concern for his right to be in a public space?

    Paps and investigative journalists are an important part of the free exchange of information. If they are suppressed and prevented from doing their jobs we will end up with a society like China where government prevents and censors the flow information. An extreme case in point is 1989 when Chinese government fired on peaceful protesters in Tiananmen Square.

    UK citizens ought to be very very worried about the inevitable tyranny of King William.

    • Kelly says:

      Popular or not, you are correct and I’m right there with you.

    • bluhare says:

      I think that is really odd too.

      What I think is even odder is that they just don’t name and shame the guy. What parent on the planet wouldn’t look sideways at some guy hiding in cars to take long lens photos of a small child?

      I also think that Kate should put out a video appeal if they are that concerned. Seriously. They are parents, who worry about their child. If she’s freaked out by some tactics, why not go live and say so. She’d have nothing but sympathy on her side.

      • suze says:

        Exactly – if it was the pap in the trunk who pushed it all over the edge – name and shame.
        Move on. Figure out how to live your life, much as all those other normal folks do.

        The most protected, well-guarded, privileged people on the planet don’t deserve all this righteous hand wringing.

      • Nanea says:

        What I don’t get: there are always RPOs out there with them, even if it’s just Grandma Carol out with George.

        Don’t those people own phones that come with inbuilt cameras, just like everyone else does? IMO, this is a simple “pics or it didn’t happen” episode.

        There’s no better opportunity than this to actually show the plebs aka Rest of the World what kind of crazies Willnot and Cannot have to put up with all day long.

    • Jib says:

      I agree. China, North Korea, Henry VIII. Tyrants with no press to push back.

  18. Kate says:

    I think the Daily Beast is spot-on. It’s also worth noting that if William accepted that visibility is a part of his role and released “official” photos of the children more often, there wouldn’t be such a voracious thirst for these photos. It’s mostly curiosity, I think, and not a wish to gawk at children for no reason. British tax payers have a right to be curious. One of these kids will someday be their king. It’s especially noteworthy that there was a flurry of new photos and appearances for George when the Prince of Wales released his annual expenses, when William and Kate needed good publicity to justify the millions spent on their lifestyle. If William has such obvious contempt for the British public and wants to retreat to his manor house to live the life of an idle country gentleman enjoying his inherited wealth, he should step aside, give up his claim to the throne (along with all of its perks) and let Harry be next in line. Harry is immature and an intellectual featherweight, but at least he seems compassionate and has some charisma and is not openly hostile to his royal role.

    • Anne says:

      I think William would do well to take note of the way CP Victoria & her husband Daniel are handling the upbringing of their daughter, Estelle, in Sweden. I think they get the balance right between satisfying privacy needs with public curiosity.

      • ArtHistorian says:

        I think all the Scandinavian RFs are quite good at managing the balance between their private needs and the public’s curiosity. The Swedes use both official photos, social media and public appearances when the children are older. The Danes start the children on public appearances around 3-4 years of age, the do an annual photo call of the entire family every summer and I know that the CP couple publish CP Mary’s photos of their children on their website regularly.
        I think that latter approach is a really good idea since the photo is taken in a controlled environment and with a person the child is comfortable with. I gather that Kate tried this with Charlotte but somehow managed to piss off the British press, which is regrettable. However, I have no idea why the press was mad about these pictures of Charlotte – I think it is a good compromise between controlling access to the child but still satisfying public curiosity.

  19. aquarius64 says:

    I am not feeling any sympathy for the Cambridges, especially with their work shy reputation. There was a commemoration on V-J in the UK recently. The queen, the Duke of Edinburgh, The Prince of Wales, the Duchess of Cornwall and the Earl and Countess of Wessex were there. Why wasn’t a future sovereign of the UK and his consort not in attendance? I think things like this is why the press is dragging the Cambridges.

  20. Ms. Turtle says:

    I read the entire letter and I cannot bring myself to feel outrage at William and Kate. They’re asking the press to leave their kids alone. Simple. There was no language that I read that said William wants to make it illegal for anyone to photograph them, just that he wants them not to. Or did I read that wrong? I don’t want ppl to take pics of my kids without my permission. This would seem to be a universal feeling of parents. It might be legal, but that doesn’t make it right.

    • Don't kill me I'm French says:

      Idem

    • MinnFinn says:

      “They want both children to be free to play in public and semi-public spaces with other children without being photographed. In addition, the privacy of those other children and their families must also be preserved.” bit.ly/1WoqGYm

    • Thick of it says:

      @ ms turtle

      YOUR children aren’t royal offspring with bodyguards. YOUR children will never rule. DIFFERENCE.

  21. WallFlower says:

    I think their using this as an excuse as for the public to not be able to find out how many vacations their really taking.

  22. snakecharmer says:

    kate is so hard to look at. does she have veneers? her foundation and bronzer is OFF and with her face she could benefit from a good makeup artist . im not kidding she should reach out to the kardashians makeup artist. her body, shes skinny but zero figure. the only reason im even mentioning her outward appearance is because she seems smug and highly superficial.

    • Olenna says:

      I agree; she really is hard to look at anymore. TBH, since the christening, all I see under that heavy make-up and smugness is something cold and sly.

  23. anne_000 says:

    Like I said before, W&K need to follow their own rules then.

    They need to stop sending out to the press photos taken by their favored paps, hired photogs, employees, Kate, and Michael of the kids’ private times. If they want these photos of these times to be private, then keep their own photos private.

    They need to stop being OK with certain publications using ‘unauthorized’ photos taken during ‘private times’ while complaining that other publications shouldn’t publish these same photos.

    They also have to accept that private citizens have cameras and will take photos of the kids in public areas and then possibly sell them to the media and/or post them online.

    They (W&K&Carole) need to stop taking them out for purposeful pap strolls during ‘private times.’

    They need to be consistent. Either all photos of the kids in ‘private time’ need to be barred and complained about to every media outlet or stop exercising double standards.

    If W&K are going to continue to keep taking and spending the public’s money and refuse to give up the titles and inheritance, then they have to accept the celebrity-fame side of it for all of their family members.

    Otherwise, this is what the critics have been saying it is: image control and not so much a privacy issue but a manipulation of their image for PR purposes.

    • bluhare says:

      Here’s the problem. They can’t control international press and the internet.

      • anne_000 says:

        @ bluhare

        Then they should just accept that as part of the life they’ve chosen.

        And they should strictly follow their own rule themselves so that they can at least pretend to be more righteous and holier-than-thou when others publish such pics without their permission.

        It’s hypocritical that they themselves are publicly using images of their kids in private moments for their own benefit.

        Which means it may not be so much about privacy, but about image control.

      • bluhare says:

        I can see both sides of the argument and actually agree with both so I’m not quite sure what that makes me. But I do think William and Kate have every right to be concerned about images of their children. However I think they’re living in a fool’s paradise if they think they can totally control it.

        They need an instagram or something like that to dilute the market for non-authorized shots and they should use it. Frequently.

      • MinnFinn says:

        bluhare, Their own instagram with a steady flow of photos is a great idea. It might work for them. But I don’t think Wm will do that any time soon because he uses photos to reward (and punish) the press for their behavior. He’s on the record stating that releasing a certain set of George photos early was a reward for a run of good press behavior.

        I sincerely hope for Wm and the sake of K,G,C & ___ that he can become less resentful of his birthright and a little more accepting of it. If he could view his glass as half empty but also half full that would be progress for him. That might also perhaps enable him to develop a less bitterly angry view of media. I believe he and Kate have the power to have press eating out of their hands but for now Willy is to dug into being pissed off about his birth right he can’t see clearly.

    • wolfie says:

      The Daily Beast noted that “Although the duke and duchess are prepared to take legal action, many foreign publications are now offering anonymity to the photographer’s, making it more difficult to pursue them. Taking action against breeches of privacy in foreign courts can also be a lengthy and costly business;” citing the “French courts who took topless photos during a holiday, still rumbles on almost 3 years later.”

      • anne_000 says:

        So I guess the remedy for that is to realize that one is a celebrity and thus not be nude out in the open anymore.

        Imo, I thought that was a really stupid thing for Kate to do and for William not to insist that she be covered up on top. Have these two never heard of long lens cameras? Aren’t they smart enough to realize that it’s part of their lives that people will want photos of them, especially if one of them is showing private parts outside?

        Anyhoo…

        I thought it was very strange how Kate seemed to be looking towards the photographer. Whether she saw him or not, I don’t know. But again, that’s their fault for not being more careful or maybe she/they just didn’t care.

      • wolfie says:

        I wonder who is paying the legal bill in France. Would that be out of their private funds, or are they property of the State?

      • Anne says:

        @Anne_000

        My sense is she didn’t care. Public exposure seemed a habit of her’s there for a while.

  24. seesittellsit says:

    Every generation of the core royal family (i.e., the ones raising the next heirs to the throne) has done the same hand-wringing about giving the kiddies a “normal” childhood. Normal being, normal for people whose lives are supported by one of the planet’s largest personal fortunes.

    Kate Middleton has managed to get to her early 30s having never earned the money that went into putting a roof over her head, food on her table, or clothes on her back. She focused all her efforts on hooking the matrimonial prize of her generation, which guaranteed that she could continue as she had begun: living the life of Reilly without working too hard.

    She knew exactly what she was getting into and I agree with the points made by the article in the Daily Beast. This kind of hand-wringing invites not public sympathy, but public outrage as said public compares its day to day difficulties compared to the Cambridges’.

    I have two words for the Cambridges: Marie Antoinette.

  25. Original T.C. says:

    What kind of security do they have which allows photographers to come that close to the future King of England? Dial-Cop? My understanding is photogs now use long lense cameras.

    I understand being protective of children but these aren’t mere random children. They come from the backwards archaic view that they are ordained to rule over us all by God from the day they are born. So the children ARE public figures other wise they will be called George and Charlotte, no titles attached. It’s not the same as celebrity kids or kids of ELECTED world leaders.

    This is just the same thing Will has been pulling for years. He wants all the PRIVILEDGES of being a royal without any of the responsibilities. He wants Kate to be called a Princess, he wants to extend his childhood and do nothing but fun stuff for the next 30 years. He wants his children to go through all the royal traditions and be regarded as part of the firm but he wants to shut down access for his subjects to see pictures of their future rulers.

    He is allowed all this be because his mother died when he was young. Where are the castles, the money and hot cars for all the other people in the world who lost their mothers? Or those ending up in orphaned and Foster care? What about getting out and doing 10% of what your mother did for the people of her country to honor her, instead of being a lazy no good whiner who can’t be bothered to wipe your own backside?

  26. Vava says:

    She wasn’t killed by the paparazzi. She didn’t have a seat belt on, and the driver was DRUNK.

    • Citresse says:

      I don’t believe Henri Paul was drunk. If you watch all the hotel cctv videos, he walks straight and at one point bends, ties his shoes and gets back up with no problem. He is also seen discussing the departure up close with Dodi and Diana. He wasn’t drunk. I also don’t believe his carbon monoxide levels were over 20 percent. Something happened before they entered the tunnel and it seems we’ll never know. I also don’t believe the pap Andanson was suicide. He was murdered.

      • Betti says:

        He was seen drinking at the bar – CCTV footage and witness statements back that up. He may not have been drunk but he had had at least 2 alcoholic drinks at the hotel bar (backed up by his bar bill and bar/security staff) and was found to be 3 times over the limit under French law. His Dr admitted under oath that he sometimes drank at home on his own and may have had a few there before returning to the hotel (he wasn’t on duty that night and was called in). He was also taking Prozac as there was evidence of the drug in his system – so combining alcohol and an anti-depressants is just asking for disaster as it impaired his judgement and driving ability.

        Just because there was no outward sign of drunkenness doesn’t mean he wasn’t under the influence.

        As for the pap Andanson – he wasn’t there that night, he proved he was at home, over 100 miles away from Paris.

      • FLORC says:

        I’ve seen those security tapes. He looks too far to drive, but can walk.

        Anything else outside of speed, no seatbelt, and overall poor choices is assumptions. You’re right though. We can’t know. The take away should be a life lost because of poor choices and unfortunate results of those poor choices. Sometimes tragic things happen and everyone wants to find someone to blame it all on. I think that’s a case here.

      • MinnFinn says:

        According to the French prosecutors, Henri Paul’s blood alcohol was tested and it was more than 3 times France’s limit.

        “The legal limit of alcohol in a driver’s blood in France is 0.5 grams per liter of blood, the equivalent of two glasses of beer or one glass of wine. Prosecutors said the driver’s blood-alcohol level was 1.75 grams. That level would be the equivalent of a blood-alcohol reading of .175 percent under the U.S. system.”
        http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9709/01/diana.french.probe.update/index.html?eref=sitesearch

  27. Faun says:

    She was not “KILLED BY PAPARAZZI.”

    She was killed because she said to the press, “You’ll be amazed at what I do next.”

  28. original kay says:

    All credibility has been lost, with this one paragraph:

    “The curious case of the paparazzo in the trunk of his car: “Take away the dramatic mood music, and what are we actually left with here? Hiding in a car might be considered a strange way to pass one’s time, but, you know what, it’s a free country. And when you break it down, really, what did this guy do that was so terrible? He put some sheets up in a car? Did he really, “create a hide stocked with food and drinks to get him through a full day of surveillance,” or did he just buy some snacks at the garage on his way to a job?”

    • bluhare says:

      They did an excellent job whipping people into a frenzy over pedophiles and terrorist attacks.

      • FLORC says:

        Bluhare/wolfie
        I think the press are getting ready to push back. Not with Photos of George. With Dirt on William. And yea. Terrorist and pedos… Jumping right o the extremes to push a point even though those factors have never been a part of it. And IF they had it would be their RPOs that are the weak links. Not the photogs. I’ve said before. I’d be livid if these claims about privacy and securty were coming out when my job was making sure they had that.

    • wolfie says:

      Jason’s letter included a threat to the paparazzi, that they may be mistaken for criminals, and possibly shot at; even though these people are merely private citizens who are *working*, and not breaking the law. Pretty heady stuff!

    • wolfie says:

      Wrong place, sorry.

  29. Jen says:

    This one creeped me out severely-
    “used other children to draw George out into view”

    Really??? I guess if you want to make extra, super sure he never ever trusts anyone who appears to have no hidden agenda. Geez…

    And putting sheets up in a car near a children’s playground would be no different to me, if not a little more obvious, than a panel van parked near a play area. When my daughter was little, I eyed all unmarked panel vans with suspicion. Any photographer that does that is at risk of being labeled a pedophile, likewise, any pedophile could claim he’s only taking pics of the royals for work.

    But- it’s obvious that the Mustique pics for one were taken by someone trying to take a pic with their phone w/o being caught. Clearly, if they’re “cracking down” they should look for the intruder from within.

    • lisa2 says:

      the problem is we live in a world where everyone has a camera, and the average person now takes pics and sells them to tabloids. I have seen fans posting pictures of celebrities and their children; tweeting them out and then a tabloid will contact them and ask them to contact them if they have more pictures.. Easy money if you are lucky to get a picture that no one has.. and that is cutting in on the money that the paps are making.

      I completely understand when celebrities sell certain pics and have the published. It does take some of the assault away. This kind of creepy behavior happens to A-list celebs and their children too. The part about using other children to lure him into a shot was strange.. are they getting the help of the parents of these children. Because how are they doing that exactly.

  30. Juluho says:

    I don’t know the legality of it, but certainly every time my child is involved with an organization I am given a photo consent form.
    I don’t think it keeps people from taking photos but it does (or supposedly) keep organizations from using those photos on social media or in print.
    As a parent it is important to have the opportunity to decide how much public exposure your child will receive. Whether you’re a filthy peasant or the King of England.

    • Lucky Charm says:

      A photo consent form just means the organization itself can’t use the photo for promotional materials, etc. That doesn’t prevent other parents from taking and posting pictures of their own children that happens to include other children in the frame. If a parent is taking a picture of Junior doing something cute, and Prince George is within range, that doesn’t mean they were intentionally taking a picture of him.

  31. Jade says:

    Hey guess what, there are two non-royal parents who grew up not being funded by the public and have accepted that their children will generate public interest. They and their children seem to be handling the paps better than Willnot and his special snowflake and ingeniously seem to know when to disappear. All of these privilege and none of the PR brains to handle it. Sheesh. Call the Jolie-Pitts, they’re the real royalty.

  32. KatyD says:

    When it comes to the Royal children, ONLY we get to pimp them out, you peasants. Now, on with the royals show! 🙂

    • Vava says:

      That’s what Will and Kate would like to do. The children are really much more interesting than they are at this point.

      Another tactic might be for everyone to simply ignore them. Paps, the regular press, the plebs, the celebrities. Just ignore these two losers. I can guarantee if that happened a couple of times, William would change his tune. He and his wife love the attention………….

      • KatyD says:

        Totally agree. They want full control of the Royal crotch fruits. It gives them leverage. After all, those kids are the mini-advertisements for the continuation of the monarchy. Cant throw out poor Georgie and Charlotte out of their castles, and make them work, or anything peasanty like that. Those poor kids are being used. 🙁

  33. InvaderTak says:

    Threadjacking: Morgan Freeman’s Step-Granddaughter was stabbed to death in NYC. Rip, E’dena. NYPD made an arrest.

  34. Tilly says:

    I really can’t stand William and Kate – they just seem so up themselves and self-absorbed, not to mention lazy … there is SO MUCH they could be doing for good but aren’t.

    Personally, I think this little telling off has been planted to keep the masses’ focus away from something else that is going on (not necessarily to do with them, but maybe so). This could be the week that their tennis court is being ‘relocated’ or something; elsewhere, someone suggested they were in Mustique yet again and didn’t want to be caught out so this story was planted as a distraction; yet a ‘report’ printed in the Daily Mail on Saturday suggested they both attended a wedding on Saturday in the UK (there wasn’t any photographic proof though).

    Where is the evidence of this pap who sat waiting in their car for the perfect shot? They need to name and shame him or her, otherwise how do we know they exist?

    And what about the pictures on the beach with his grandmother – she was looking right at the camera (as if to say, “did you get that shot?”) – I wouldn’t put it past her to have phoned ahead and told them where she’d be.

    If I was in their position – with a huge rambling country estate as well as a lovely apartment in a palace, surrounded by glorious gardens – I’d be installing outdoor playground equipment for my children so they wouldn’t have to go to common area parks – if they can afford to spend millions of pounds installing, removing and re-installing kitchens, then why can’t they do that? If needing to play with other children is an issue, approved kiddies could all do so at the royal residences.

    These two are so flakey and fakey and nothing is really as it seems with them; heck, they could’ve released this as a way to take the focus off the fact that Kate is still on “maternity leave” from doing nothing at all.

    ((( Yawn )))

    • Betti says:

      Well i wouldn’t say Kate had not given some of the commonwealth countries anything – she flash her bare ass at a few of them.

    • bluhare says:

      I think we should all tune into Celebitchy tomorrow for a right entertaining royal read. 🙂

    • notasugarhere says:

      It has been 7 weeks since they submitted the tennis court plans. You could be on to something with this covering up furor over any final decision about that too.

  35. Dena says:

    From the Daily Beast article:

    “They don’t understand how spoiled they sound, and how much they give the impression they resent their position, which is unattractive, given it’s immense importance to British life.”

    Bingo!!!!

    • bluhare says:

      I agree with that. There were better ways to deal with this.

      Which makes me wonder about how good this Jason Knauf is. I thought he was a whiz bang crisis manager type. He’s sort of being ridiculed.

      • Anne says:

        Yes. It may be that Jason has succumbed to the intensity of William’s pressure in this instance. Otherwise, it was just a miscalculation.

    • Caz says:

      Yep. The don’t get to court the paps, kardashian-style and then cry foul when it suits.

      Who would have thought William would turn out so bland & unlikeable? Disappointing.

  36. Beth No. 2 says:

    Comment 1: “George is not a normal child. The public has a right to know how he grows up. It is expected that he would live in a fish bowl the moment he is born, the poor wee mite.”
    Comment 2: “George should be treated like any normal child. The paps can photograph children in public spaces, and why should the case be different for him?”

    Comment 1: “If W&K don’t like the pap intrusion, they can raise George in their private parkland and ivory towers which they have a gazillion acres of.”
    Comment 2 (18 years later): “UGH, I would never have dreamt that George would turn out to be an insular, paranoid future king with no empathy for the common man. So disappointing!”

    Comment 1: “Kate is really hard to look at. She has zero figure. Dreadful make-up, thinning hair, eyebags so huge they can be seen from space.”
    Comment 2: “I wonder why Kate has so many body issues? Ugh, here she goes, starving herself again.”

    Disclaimer: I don’t even like W&K, but…

    • Anne says:

      Yes. People have strong and divergent opinions, some reasonable, some not. It’s one of the challenges of life in the public eye.

  37. M79 says:

    I have no sympathy for Kate and William and their exploitation of media and attempts to control it. That said, I remember a time not long ago when celebrity children were simply not photographed. There wasn’t interest and it was widely understood that they weren’t famous. When I see articles criticizing children and judging their outfits and snapping them everywhere, for what? For whom? The public will be fine if they don’t see these shots. It really is none of the public’s business to have to see celebrities’ children. They aren’t stars, they don’t have their own careers, and it is disturbing. The sense of entitlement the public has towards famous people and their rights to have to see their kids is baffling.

  38. Lillylizard says:

    The Dutch, Spanish, Danish, Norwegian and Swedish royals don’t have this problem with the media and their cute young children, for one simple reason, they have set photo opportunity schedules and are generally civil and friendly to wards the press, don’t slag them off in public and give them a nice smile and wave when on duty. Simple really but apparently way beyound the Cambridges, of course it might also help if they took on some royal duties and William was even slightly likeable.

    • Anne says:

      ^This. The interest in England’s monarchy is more intense, yes, but it seems to me that a more generous attitude up-front on the part of W&K would go a long way towards satisfying public curiosity.