Tom Hiddleston got giggly with Elizabeth Olsen at Nashville ‘ISTL’ premiere

Here are some photos from the Nashville premiere of I Saw the Light. Elizabeth Olsen and Tom Hiddleston looked especially friendly, didn’t they? You can see more photos of them together here at the Daily Mail. It’s obvious that they became very friendly while filming last year, but many still wonder just how friendly they became and perhaps still are. Us Weekly said all along that they started dating after filming ISTL, and that was seemingly backed up by multiple coupled-up outings in London this year. But then at TIFF, Olsen flat-out denied the reports that Hiddles was or is her boyfriend. So… what do you think?

Meanwhile, the Nashville premiere went ahead this weekend because it had been scheduled for a while. Except that on Friday, Sony Pictures Classics announced that they were pushing back the release date. It was supposed to come out in November, and now it won’t come out until March 2016. My theory is still that the reviews coming out of TIFF were sort of terrible, and Sony just decided at the last minute to not even waste the time, money and effort in trying to convince people that the film is watchable. Still, the official excuse is that Tom would have been MIA for promotion because he’ll be in the jungle working on Kong: Skull Island.

Oh, and Hiddles sang some Hank Williams songs at the afterparty in Nashville.

Photos courtesy of Getty.

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  1. Lilacflowers says:

    Elizabeth attended the premiere dressed as a saloon girl in mourning.

    We are all settled in for Monkey movie filming here in the jungle. Do remember to apply sun protection and dress to ward off mosquitos. I’ve wrapped myself and Tom up in one piece of mosquito netting. Do let Colin know your beverage preferences.

    • M.A.F. says:

      Saloon girl in mourning. Ha! love it.

      As for a drink, anything with rum will do me just fine.

      • Lilacflowers says:

        Rum drinks are going to be popular, I think.

        Since the fray still seems agitated, Mark has had the meadow set up moved to the area near Kong’s cave

    • Mimi says:

      Elisabeth is dating this film’s director, he’s an old dude…
      There are pics of her and the director hand-in-hand at TIFF, that’s why she was flat out denying it at TIFF, because her real bf, the director, was right there!!

    • Dara says:

      I used to really enjoy her style – but ever since the Avengers press has ended she’s gone for dark, shapeless and dare I say boring.

      Even her off-duty style has morphed – I used to like seeing what she was wearing while she was waving produce around at that farmer’s market she’s always photographed at, but lately she’s been wearing things from the Chanel Haute Hobo collection.

    • antipodean says:

      Puff, puff, lilacflowers I am out of breath having had to run to catch the plane to the island. Please don’t start without me. Did the veranda arrive safely? I shall be in desperate need of a libation on arrival, I hope Colin has his shaker at the ready. I also picked up some heavy duty sun screen, so there will be no danger of any delicate skin burning. Did you get the non-stick mosquito netting? Has Mark manged to set out the buffet, I suppose there will be a shortage of meadows on the island, but I am sure he will do an excellent job of making do.

      • Lilacflowers says:

        The veranda has been transported to a shady location on the top of a hill overlooking the island and far away from all the beasties. However, the meadow accommodations for the fray have been moved to near the mouth of Kong’s cave.

      • antipodean says:

        Silly me, you had already mentioned the situation of the meadow, the mouth of Kong’s cave sounds perfect. Should we string up some fairy lanterns to add ambiance? Perhaps some chaise longues too, while we wait for the festivities to commence.

      • Lilacflowers says:

        We have chaises and lanterns up on the veranda on the hill. Those in the fray will have moonlight.

  2. Catherine says:

    I doubt they’re bf/gf but I think they’re definitely more than just “friendly”.

  3. neutral says:

    “seemingly backed up by multiple coupled-up outings in London this year” Multiple being one by a stalker and one at the infamous theatre/dinner evening when Tom went home on his own in the Jag. Those TWO multiple coupled-up outings?

    • Catherine says:

      They left in a cab together though and there was no description of that photo of Tom getting g into the back of a car, where or when it was taken.

      • Madly says:

        They had to as the pap got into her cab. There is a video of it. There were originally two cabs.

      • Catherine says:

        Madly, there’s another pic that Torilla found of Tom getting into the back of a car. It looks like they’re trying to find any cab to leave and took the 2nd one as a pap got in the 1st.

      • Madly says:

        My point was that leaving together in a cab meant nothing.

        Can’t believe we are still rehashing this.

      • Catherine says:

        Neither can I. Sorry I misunderstood your point.

      • Becky says:

        The point is you’re in denial like the fangirls who think he came back and got into the back of his own car.

  4. Mia4s says:

    Eh, they probably hooked up a bunch and eased off once distance got in the way (been there). Why does everything have to be an epic romance or nothing at all?

    As an aside, ouch at the Crimson Peak box office. Just…ouch.

    • Div says:

      I know…I’m feeling a bit bad for Tommy. High Rise was extremely polarizing, Crimson Peak more or less flopped, and while this “could” make some money at the indie box office it seems doubtful this will turn into an indie hit a la Boyhood (that sort of financial success could at least off-set some of the critical drubbing). That said, there really aren’t “movie stars” anymore who are a draw on their own unless you are talking about Angelina, maybe JenLaw, and a few other actors.

      • InvaderTak says:

        I dunno, both projects were interesting, with good casts and directors. It’s not always about the box and the hit potential. Was anyone really expecting an art horror movie to be a huge hit? Especially when it came out the same day as Goosebumps. I think that’s what hurt the most. And the Night manager was going to go that way anyway just because of the source material. Bottom line of all of it is that Hiddles picked some interesting and challenging projects, no one can fault him for his effort and commitment-he turned in some fine performances and the product as a whole didn’t do as well as fans would like them to. I don’t think there’s reason to feel bad for him here.

      • Lilacflowers says:

        @InvaderTak, I agree with you. Actors know the end result is out of their hands. Producers and directors will do what they want. He hasn’t turned in a bad performance and is getting a reputation throughout the industry for showing up prepared and working hard and then being willing to sell the product. He knows it is a rough business.

        And Crimson Peak was ready a very long time ago. GDT said it could have gone out last year or much earlier this year but Legendary wanted to hold it off until this October.

      • InvaderTak says:

        If I was GdT, I’d be pitching a fit at Legendary right now. They should have at the very least NOT released it the same day as a light, easy to watch scary movie. Why didn’t they move it to this coming weekend? Closer to Halloween too.

      • Dara says:

        But Goosebumps is a fun, kid-friendly PG film, Crimson Peak is an adult-oriented R-rated film. Not a lot of overlap between those two audiences imo.

        In the end, GdT made the film he wanted to make, and Legendary let him. They gambled they could still pull in an audience with an R-rated film that was not really a horror film and not really a period romance, and it didn’t work. I can quibble with their release date and marketing strategy, but I’m not sure it would have made that much of a difference if they had done something differently.

      • neutral says:

        One site was say that GDT insisted on an R rating and that this hurt the film at the Box Office.

      • NUTBALLS says:

        GdT focused so much on the visuals that the script suffered. After the problems with ISTL and CP, I think directors need to stick to their core strengths and leave the screenwriting to those that do it better.

        I’m surprised that the studios don’t employ people who can review a script or early cuts of the film and give it critical feedback. With all the plot holes, unexplained backstories and silly dialogue in CP, I’d expect them to have someone there who could catch what the reviews and audience will see before it’s too late to change anything.

      • delorb says:

        I still say that its hard for a movie to lose money these days. So flop at this point is a bit inaccurate. Didn’t that Agent Carter on the Moon, (whatever its called), make its money back at the end of the day?

        Not a fan of the guy OR his rabid fans, so my opinion of flop would be the same if this were Tim Hobblestein. Hollywood has plenty of revenue streams to prevent a flop from happening. The worse thing that can happen after a lackluster opening is that the actors won’t get starring vehicles in the future.

        The monkey movie doesn’t count as that deal was finalized before CP’s opening. Or floppening! LOL, which is still too early to tell, I just thought that word was funny.

      • Miss Jupitero says:

        Honestly, I can’t believe what passes for a screenplay these days. I could pound out something much better in a weekend. The core story had plenty of potential, but some of the choices they made were just dumb.

        It’s so sad because Pan’s Labyrinth really was GOOD storytelling. GDT used to be able to do this. I don’t know what happened to him.

      • Lilacflowers says:

        @Miss Jupitero, GDT reminds me a bit of Terry Gilliam. Same brilliance as far as imagery goes but getting a concise story proves difficult for them.

      • Mary-Alice says:

        CP hasn’t hit overseas yet. I would refrain from writing off an art movie based on the American box office. Still, Guilermo should have fought for CP at Midnight Madness. TIFF is and has always been his best bet among the festivals but, as I wrote then, he was mad at his lecture at TIFF weeks before the festival when he knew the movie was being pulled off.

    • Catherine says:

      Agreed. I don’t see how they can be serious when she lives in LA. Hes off to shoot in Hawaii and goodness knows where for months now anyway.

    • Lindy79 says:

      Yep, I wouldn’t call anyone my bf until I was sure that’s what it was, people hook up all the time without being in a relationship. or it’s early days and they’re not putting a label on it because they’re not sure what’s going on themselves.

    • NUTBALLS says:

      She only denied being a couple, not that they weren’t messing around. He didn’t deny anything, just laughed it off. I would expect his sex to be primarily with women he trusts to keep their gobs shut, so the co-star hookups make sense.

      CP was marketed as a horror flick, which it’s not. It’s a gothic suspense/thriller. It didn’t help that it came out the same weekend as Goosebumps.

      I think he’s done a good job of stretching himself, even if the scripts or direction haven’t been the best. His performances have earned critical praise which is good. Moving ISTL to March will probably give his a better box office draw and that’s his most important role of the three, imo.

      The Night Manager is going to further broaden his audience to people like my 70YO parents. I have more hope in that project than any of the rest.

      • Catherine says:

        “So you’re not dating Tom”
        “No. I mean people can think what they want to think”

        Exactly she answered the question to dating. She’s not going to say it’s casual or we’re fwb is she?

        Some fans don’t understand the whole Jarthy thing when I thought it was obvious; she works with high profile clients. If she blabbed about Tom it would look very unprofessional.

    • Madly says:

      He still hasn’t been able to open a movie and put buts in seats. That will impact how much money he will make. However, he hasn’t delivered a terrible performance, so it is looking like he may have legs as a character actor. Skull Island is going to be interesting. Will his performance have impact on it to justify making him a star like Chris Pratt in Jurassic Park? We’ll see. He is lucky to be getting that shot though.

      • Anon222 says:

        Somehow I don’t think he cares that much about his pay rate. I think his ambition is more to the direction of perfecting his craft and making a name as an acting powerhouse. Also, Hollywood is weird, how many flops Ryan Reynold has and they are still putting him on big budget blockbuster lead. Hemsworth hasn’t been able to put butts in seats and open a movie solely on his star power, yet they paid him $10M for Huntsman. Whoever else in this day is at Chris Pratt’s level of stardom anyway. Tom’s not lacking job offers I don’t think, and I think he wants to get himself to the Michael Fassbender level rather than Chris Pratt’s anyway. And Michael, as fine an actor as he is, also is not as much a draw to audience yet. But every director seems to offer their role to Fassbender regardless. Tom is aiming at that path, the diversity of roles that he has taken is only going to help achieve that.

      • neutral says:

        Re Fassbender, I think I may just be unlucky because I’ve only seen two of his films – Slow West which is 84 minutes of my life I won’t get back and didn’t require a lot from him, and Macbeth which I saw last week. I was really disappointed, the sets and the direction (not his fault) were poor but, worst of all, I couldn’t hear what he was saying properly for half the time.

      • NUTBALLS says:

        neutral, Shame and Hunger are the Fassy films to watch.

      • Mary-Alice says:

        Very few can open a movie these days. Something is lost, something the previous generation had and much more often. There is skill and desire, and craft learning but the charisma is lacking majorly. However, in my opinion Hiddleston just has zero vision and strategy of his own career. He is floating and accepting, and stretching, and exploring, and whatever but the focused vision is missing. He would manage to open a heroic kind of noble story. Think Hollow Crown but a movie. Shakespeate too, with a twist. That kind.

      • Mary-Alice says:

        *Romantic Shakespeare too, with a twist*, of course.

      • cranberry says:

        It’s not really fair to lay any proposed box office failure at his feet alone. Jessica is the big name draw in this film and Mia even has some mainstream recognition. Much of the problem with ticket sales is that although they tried selling CP as a horror film, I think most people (mostly guys) see this as a chick film not just because of Tom but because of the strong dual female lead roles. In our still very male centrist culture anything that’s too feminine, like period pieces with lavish dresses, romance and female leads, is going to be completely avoid by most guys. That’s why they kept trying to sell it as a scary “date movie”. Also the R rating probably hurts the ticket sales too, otherwise at least Tom’s under age fangirls would have made a big bump in sales. Plus all the mommies that probably took their kids to see that other PG scary movie and all the gals that got overruled for Bridge of Spies by their husbands/ boyfriends.

      • Dara says:

        @Mary-Alice, you have an interesting point about how the profile of a successful actor in Hollywood has changed, and I’ll agree it has changed.

        There always were the ones that cared about skill, and craft and art (DeNiro, Pacino, Hanks, Day Lewis) and were more about stretching themselves than building a blockbuster career, but they were balanced out by marquee names that made studios squillions of dollars but were never going to win any Oscars doing so (Cruise, Will Smith, Bruce Willis). I think that second group shrunk when the CGI-craze took hold and the actor became a supporting player to the CGI. A studio found they didn’t need (or couldn’t afford) to pay an A-list actor tens of millions of dollars to anchor a giant action movie. If the stunts and effects are good enough, most audiences won’t give a crap who the actor is as long as he can say his lines without stumbling over the big words (assuming there are big words). I’m oversimplifying things a little for the sake of brevity (probably already too late), and there has been crossover between the two types, but hopefully people see my point.

        I can’t even begin to theorize about whether Tom’s choices have been good or bad, but knowing what a huge fan of cinema he is, I completely understand why he jumped at the chance to work with Guillermo. The guy has a truly unique vision, which is rare in Hollywood these days, and who knows when or if Tom would get the chance to work with him again – ever. How do you say no to that? And what were his other choices at the time? What were the other films in development in 2013/2014, would any of them have been better strategically?

  5. GlimmerBunny says:

    I think they are so cute together! I hope they are dating.

  6. Bee says:

    There’s no need to “date” if the movie isn’t going to have an Oscar campaign.

    • SloaneY says:

      Oh snap.

    • seesittellsit says:

      I think CP will pick up noms for costume/production/sets, etc. ISTL is basically DOA and I applaud the cast for gamely doing the necessary until it quietly goes away. It really is too bad. When I saw CP on Saturday (my “review” on the last Hiddles thread) half the people on line were buying tickets for it, and it was at the big 14-theater plex, not the small, 6-theater indie place across town. It may do better than we think at box office because so many people want to “see” the production. There were plenty of, ahem, youth in the audience and frankly I doubt box offices are carding all that much for the R rating unless the kid really looks 12. It will also probably be a DVD blockbuster. But, even Cumberbatch, with a huge hit like Star Trek and then a qualified success like TIG, isn’t putting butts in seats in American movie theaters. Very few people actually do that. As for whether he’s dating EO, couldn’t care less. I just saw that Daniel Craig is going to be doing Iago to David Oyelowo’s Othello Off-Broadway next year in NY – that’s what I call a hot ticket and I wonder if TH shouldn’t be trying to do more stage work and more Shakespeare since he loves it so much. And incidentally, I think he’d make a spectacular Iago . . . I think Craig will be fantastic in the role, as well. Not that I have a snowball’s of seeing it.

      • icerose says:

        According to one article I read Sony has pulled potential oscar candidates before and pushed them out the in the next year and this is what they plan to to with ISTL.This gives them extra time to re write and edit script.
        They will then put it in for next yeas Cannes,They did this with Foxcatcher last year and it ended up with 4 oscar nominations

      • icerose says:

        Apparently Sonny have plans to bring in out ISTL for thE 2016 Oscars after a possible edit and rewrite of the script.They did this with Foxcatcher and it got four oscar nominations in the following year so it has not completely fallen of the horizon.

        Guardian wrote an interesting article with a theory on why CP got better reviews in the UK i.e 5/6.I have the links saved if anyone wants them

  7. InvaderTak says:

    Stop the presses! lol

  8. Danielle says:

    I hope they are dating. They would make a cute couple.

    • Catherine says:

      Actually I hope they don’t. Although I think they’re still hooking up, having recently seen some interviews with Lizzie she has strong opinions but also comes across as dull, and I’m sorry to say a bit dumb. I thought he’d be interested in someone more intellectual.

      • neutral says:

        As a matter of interest, not being snarky, why do you think they are still hooking up? They were seen together whilst filming, not surprising, but since then they have only been seen together twice apart from at PR events/premieres.

      • kay says:

        You are acting as he’s an academic and not just an actor. Please, tone it down.

      • neutral says:

        @ kay – presume at was aimed at Catherine, not me. 🙂

      • Catherine says:

        Kay, I’m sorry if you think I need to “tone down” my opinion as your post is poorly worded.

        Neutral, I’m not the only commenter on this thread who has the same view but to answer your question, it’s just a hunch.

      • TotallyBiased says:

        Kay–double firsts at Cambridge. He IS an academic. Although ‘just’ an actor also seems a bit harsh.

      • Catherine says:

        And maybe you want to scroll down and read Queens comment, who said something similar, and lecture them as well.

        TB, thanks I wanted to add that to my comment but it didn’t load. Tom said in a recent interview that he had an academic approach to his work.

      • NUTBALLS says:

        kay, I don’t think she’s as intellectual as Tom either and yes, she comes off as dull in comparison to other women he’s been attached to romantically. Her nasal-y. monotone voice is hard for me to listen to.

        That being said, I think she’s a good actress and it’s unfortunate that her career isn’t going better than it is. Being cast as a minor character in an overcrowded Marvel universe isn’t going to compensate for lack of good Indy parts that she really wants.

      • Mary-Alice says:

        ROFL @kay

        Double first in classics in Cambridge, you know? No? Thought so. And correcting others on top of that! LOL

        To me, Elizabeth is a simpleton and loud, very bad combo.

  9. Chloe says:

    She has way better style than his sisters. Plus she doesn’t look like a frowning possum in every pic. Tom looks great but I get a sibling type chemistry. They are not dating if I had to bet.

    • silken_floss says:

      LOL @ frowning possum! Perfect description!

    • mary says:

      She has a nice smile and a pretty face, and if she wasn’t botoxed I think she’d have a more fresh and naturally joyful look to her. As it is, she’s a cute girl.

  10. Caitlin Bruce says:

    I still think they are in some sort of relationship but keeping it quiet until we all forget Lizzie had a fiancee when her and Hiddles shacked up. I think Lizzie was maybe a tad jealous how touchy-feely Tom was with every girl at all his other premieres. Especially Jessica. In one of the group shots he has his hand around her waist at the back and her opposite arm is around her waist touching his hand. Looks a tad cosey for sure.

    • Queen says:

      Another of toms co-stars sienna miller had a fiance, and she was seen with tom during the high rise filming, and guess what – she ended her relationship. Every girl falls for his charm. I don’t like him with lizzie, i just don’ see it. He should be with a very intelligent classy smart lady

      • Dara says:

        @Queen, I think there is a decent chance that SM and Tom hooked up at some point during High-Rise, but the story about her calling off her engagement was a full year after they finished the film so I’m not sure you can really say that was the cause.

      • Lilacflowers says:

        Miss Piggy and Kermit split after making a movie with Tom.

      • neutral says:

        @ Lilacflowers, well that proves it – he is a serial wrecker.

      • Abby_J says:

        Yes, but it was time for Kermit to move on from the abusive relationship that he was in, so we should be thanking Tom for that one.

    • Hannah says:

      I agree. The hand thing is pretty apparent in this video:

      • Athena says:

        There is also another video on YouTube posted by Mark Capistrant with the title “Tom Hiddleston introduces I Saw The Light” and in that video TH, EO and MA are on stage about to introduce the film (Tom is the only one talking) and if you watch at the very end of his speech because Tom gets a little emotional talking about Hank, before they exit the stage, EO tries to put her arm around him and he doesn’t acknowledge her and just keeps walking and you see EO throw up her hands as if to say “wait for me!” The video is 1:50 long.

      • Catherine says:

        Athens, I just found that video, what is she doing at the end?

      • Athena says:

        to reply to Catherine: If you watch the last few seconds of the video, after his speech I guess she thought he would stand there a bit before walking off the stage. She went to pose with him hence her attempt to put her arm around him, he ignored her and she threw up her hands. I think also there was some confusion as to which way to exit the stage and you see a lady signaling them to go to their left, that’s when she put her hands up and kind of shrugged. I have seen other footage of this speech on YouTube but this is the only one that I found that did not leave off that last part.

      • madly says:

        Meh again. He is still more affectionate to Jessica and he isn’t showing her anything extra than anyone else. Again, if those stories weren’t out there, no one would be suggesting that there was anything going on.

        Does that mean that they hooked up in the past, probably. Probably not. Who knows. It’s all just speculation at this point. From what I have seen, he doesn’t treat her any differently than anyone else. And I say this as someone who thinks something shady may have happened, going back from this summer. But it doesn’t seem like it now. Odd.

      • erica says:

        Sienna Miller refers to Bradley Cooper as her “best male friend.” As for Jessica Chastain, she’s been in a relationship with Gian Luca Passi de Preposulo for the past 4 years, so I think Tom’s gonna have to look elsewhere.

  11. browniecakes says:

    Mark Abrahams and Lizzie swing danced together while TH played another song. He sure likes to touch her. I think an argument can still be made for MAEO. Brie Larson single?

    • NUTBALLS says:

      I don’t see anything happening between those two. Supposedly, she has a bf, but like Tom, she’s very private about her love life.

      The more I read about her, the more I like her. She’s seems to be a smart, level-headed chick with a buttload of talent.

      • Luca76 says:

        I know someone who’s met her and the twins. She’s supposed to be a really sweet girl and the twins are awful (surprise,surpise).

      • Phoebe says:

        I saw Brie on The Tonight Show and she was DELIGHTFUL. She seemed like loads of fun and I wanted to go out for cocktails with her. I suppose any picture in the future where he is smiling at her will illicit dating/hooking up rumors as well. I hope they have fun on Monkey Island…but not too much fun 😉

      • NUTBALLS says:

        I posted a great Buzzfeed article about Brie on last Friday’s post. After seeing her stellar performance in Short Term 12 on Netflix and hearing all the buzz about ROOM, I think she’s going to be one to watch.

      • Athena says:

        I saw her on Fallon’s show as well and thought she was really fun to watch, especially with that lip-reading game they were playing while wearing the headphones. She is scheduled to be on The Daily Show Wed. 10/21. My guess is she will be taking time off to fly back and forth from locations to promote Room. She is definitely an Oscar contender. All the more reason why I don’t buy the studio pushing ISTL to March 2016 because Tom would not have time to do the promo for it. If Brie can fly back and forth to the various Talk Shows I think Tom could have done the same just as easily not to mention EO can do her part as well. She doesn’t seem to be working on anything at the moment except for attending fashion shows in Paris.

      • NUTBALLS says:

        A24 is really pushing her for awards consideration. I see ROOM’s ads all over twitter and the interwebs, I presume it’s on network TV as well. That film, along with Spotlight are being called the front runners. A24 is going to do whatever they can to keep the momentum going so I think we’ll be seeing Brie quite a bit during awards season.

        I suspect that Tom’s agents had a clause in his SI contract to allow for Oscar campaigning had ISTL generated a lot of buzz at TIFF. I agree that the reason they pushed it to 2016 has nothing to do with his filming schedule, they’re saving face and going for a better box office in the March.

        EO doesn’t have anything going on right now. I’m sure she’d rather be filming than attending fashion shows.

    • Lilacflowers says:

      Brie has a boyfriend

    • Dara says:

      @Brownie, I found a longer video of Tom performing at the party and the director dances with Maddie Hasson after Lizzie, so he’s an equal opportunity dancer/toucher.

      Tom sounds more rough around the edges in some parts of this, and more of the English ham was starting to poke through, but still fun to watch.

  12. Madly says:

    Meh, he looked more friendly with Jessica Chastain. I think if those stories didn’t come out, then no one would be talking about any possible romance here.

  13. Tig says:

    So is Crimson Peak like The Woman in Black(or White??) exc with Tom being naked on occasion? And isn’t this the film that Charlie Hunnam is in as well? I was hoping it would be more in the vein of Pan’s L, but appears not.

    • chelsea says:

      The trailer makes it look like the theme park version of Jane Eyre.

      • j.eyre says:

        Uh-oh, chelsea – that is just an open invitation for a slew of Thomas Ride euphemisms.

        (although, I adore that description, btw)

      • Lilacflowers says:

        Jessica Chastein has been saying in interviews that Universal Studios should build a Crimson Peak in one of its parks. She could probably come up with some entertaining euphemisms for Thomas Rides.

  14. Ante says:

    Apparently Tom told a German magazine that talking about the class issue in British acting is “hindering and socially dividing.” and that theatre is a “unifying institution”.

    I usually like him, but this is bullshit. Easy to say when he did profit from it and could go to top class schools like Rada when others struggling for money can’t.

    How can anything get better by not talking about it?

    • InvaderTak says:

      Source? He seems smarter than that. Or at least like there would be more to his comments than that. I can understand him being defensive about that subject, because it could be said that he gets villainized in that discussion because of an upbringing that wasn’t his fault. Not that that excuses him being clueless at all. So IDK, I’m not a Brit so it’s over my head in a lot of ways.

      • neverland says:

        enchanteddbyhiddles has a translation. He says that a discussion of which actors are posh or not can be hindering (which it can be, because singling out names just makes everyone get bitter and there are definitely people who use “but he’s posh” as an excuse to dislike or mock for some reason) but he also says that everyone should have access to a job they wish to be in, and he agreed that his education gave him opportunities others don’t have. So, not necessarily saying that the class discussion is entirely divisive, but that hyper-focus on the same three or four actors can be.

        I think he’s comng at the issue from a slightly different angle than some others may, and he may be speaking from a place of optimism rather than reality, but I do kind of agree that lingering on who is posh in Hollywood at the moment is unhelpful because it easily devolves into arguing and feelings of being singled out. Which then distracts from the actual issues of access to education and living/school fees amongst others.

      • InvaderTak says:

        Thanks Neverland. Agree with your points. When I read about that issue (I’m American) it does seem like TH and BC are the poster boys with Redmayne thrown in occasionally. Jame Mcavoy is the poster boy for the underdog who made it (though someone somewhere said that his story is full of holes. If anyone has thoughts let me know.) I don’t see any of the ladies of RADA (Ginnifer Goodwin, Gemma Arterton, Allison Janney, Jessica Capshaw) or posher ladies with theater ties (Blunt, Knightley) included in this discussion.

      • neverland says:

        Oh also he talked about similar stuff in the Nuffield interview earlier in the year. What I read was that during that he agreed there are inequalities and access issues, especially in light of the tuition fees rising under the Conservative government, but that he felt some of the public dialogue was divisive, and I guess that’s because it focused on naming specific actors therefore generating sensationalist headlines and resentment rather than getting people to be productive. I think the fact Chris Bryant MP singled out e.g. Eddie Redmayne and referred to “their ilk” probably didn’t endear him to Tom. Using the word “ilk” was a bit snide IMO and the fact it turned into a headline grabbing argument between Bryant and James Blunt (who I think was too far the other way) just really hindered the point behind the words.

        I’d hazard a guess and say that Tom isn’t stupid enough to think there’s no issue, but he also doesn’t appreciate being singled out because that can feel like you’re being blamed when the issue is much wider than a few named actors. He’s said more than once in interviews that he knows how lucky and privileged he’s been but that sometimes people seem to bring it up just to moan about him.

        Lol sorry for the long posts, but it is something I’m interested in and while I think Tom is on the defense and so may be simplifying things, I also think he makes a good point about the way some people decide to approach this issue.

      • Gingerly says:

        @ neverland, Thank you for you informative post. I am a foreigner, but I do think picking out some famous actors or singers does not help to solve the general situation. I agree with you in that he is (understandably) defensive and rather shies away from the issue, simplifying it, but his points about approaching the issue seems to be valid.

      • neverland says:

        No problem invadertek. I don’t expect everyone to agree with me – or him – but I just wanted to point people to the actual (translated) words rather than someone else’s version. I can’t speak to his meaning entirely but when he mentioned Fassbender, Elba, Craig, it made me think. Because yes there is a class issue. But often when people talk about it, the dialogue seems to encourage us to believe that there’s no working class actors (you’re correct, actresses don’t get a mention as much, maybe because there’s a whole other gender issue so they flatten out the class stuff on that end, rightly or wrongly) which in a way is dismissive of the working class actors who have careers. It also removes role models for working class kids who may want to act, if all Theyre told is “posh people are taking over, there’s too many and working class actors have no chance”.

        I also think (lol I’m going on) that in these conversations it’s easy to feel that your hard work is being dismissed because of where you went to school. And I completely get that people are less concerned with hurt feelings but I try to be compassionate and I can see how it gets annoying or humiliating to be constantly questioned. I imagine for some it begins to feel as if you should apologise for it all the time or should be ashamed, which is just entirely unhelpful. No one can help their upbringing or schooling. All we can do is work together to try and make things better for the next generation and indeed our own, and acknowledge where we have been lucky. I think it would be much more productive to ask actors including Tom HOW we can go about diversifying the sector, and helping everyone access it, rather than sayng “so, you went to a posh school, do you think there’s a problem?” Duh, of course there’s a problem, but asking if it’s there and singling out people doesn’t fix it. Asking what to do about it will fix it. Considering Tom’s involvement with e.g. The BFI as an ambassador and other things, I think he’s involved in the doing side of it more than we might read about.

      • neverland says:

        TL;DR on my posts, sorry I’m so wordy…

        I think Tom would sound a lot less defensive and he’d offer better opinions and statements about this if instead of being told “there’s a class issue, right? You’re from a posh school, right? And there’s too many posh people in acting, right?”* he was asked something like “how do you think the industry can work towards diversity and better access for working class actors/directors/crew and minorities?” He’s offered small comments here and there which seem supportive of diversity and access, so IMO I think a question like that would be much better, and it removes the risk of the discussion becoming a stale retreading of “Eddie Redmayne, Benedict Cumberbatch, Tom Hiddleston: POSH GUYS.” which can feel like you’re being put in the spot or blamed.

        Just my small opinion though. It’s a complicated issue with strong emotions involved. I don’t think this was Tom’s greatest response, but I’m maybe too naive or too lenient so I do believe his heart is in the right place but he simply suffers from the human affliction of being defensive when asked the same thing over and over.

        *(actually there’s a sub issue like in any profession that acting families – or medical families, lawyer families – afford privilege in another way. Tom has educational, monetary privilege and I think he said his mum was a stage manager, but acting families are on a different level to that)

      • Miss Jupitero says:

        Neverland, if I were his PR person, I would advise him to answer those question exactly as if the more productive question were the one being asked. It’s called changing the conversation, and is way more effective than getting defensive.

      • icerose says:

        and lets not forget Kenneth Brannagh -one of our most famous Shakespearean actors who’s father was a carpenter .
        I think it is a lot about the fact that many of them are chosen by American companies theses days for big franchise roles.And he was Tom’s mentor.

    • Gingerly says:

      @ Ante, I don’t know whether you are UK citizen or not, but FYI, when he went to RADA and Cambridge, the tuition fees for both institutions were around £1,000. I myself am not a Brit, but I read in some article that at least for his generation, the major problem for the working class actors was cost for living in London, rather than tuition. He payed for RADA tuition with his own earnings during undergraduate years. And recently he also showed his concern about the increasing tuition fees and young actors struggling with it. I will stand corrected if I am wrong.

      Saying class issues is “hindering and socially dividing” is not exactly silencing it. I guess that whatever posh, middle class actors, or working class actors say or do, Brits will discuss it as long as the problem exists. I think HOW to discuss the class issue could much more important and I wish they could find more productive ways to approach the issue. As a foreigner, when I read British journalism, I also feel that sadly the country is quite obsessed with class issues and sometimes there is a call for an exhaustive discussion which often leads to nowhere.

      Finally I believe that theater, cinema, or any art form can be “unifying” [cultural] institution in that they can provide a universal aesthetic experience to the community. That kind of ideal seems to be what HIddles means when he says “unifying institution.”

      • InvaderTak says:

        I think he was saying that singling out certain actors, himself included, and then turning them into a straw-man is hindering and divisive. Which is true. And I don’t blame him for getting defensive about it because he seems to really just want to act and be recognized for his work. He is not the problem, the system is and making him and others like him out to be the bad guys isn’t fair.

      • Jess says:

        @ gingerly
        I am British. There are other top notch acting schools in the uk. Places like lamda, the royal central school of speech and drama, the drama centre, guldhall. All these places have a great alumni and offer top level training. For instance at central which educated people like judi drench, Vanessa Redgrave, laurence oliver, as well as younger guys like Andrew Garfield. I know for a fact that at that school students were means tested at the time Tom got his education. I believe the same is true for a few other schools such as guildhall.
        If you were working class you could pay nothing at all depending on your own or your parents financial standing. Whereas at rada you pay a huge fee no matter who you are. This is one of the reasons youd find more upper middle class or upper class people who attended rada. They only have one full scholarship I think. From what I remember actresses like andrea risenborough and Maxine peaks benefitted from a full rada scholarship.
        Not every talented working class kid can get that scholarship. So you are not going to have great diversity in these type of institutions.

        To be honest rada has always made the choice to stay a private school which limits their talent pool. Schools like guildhall and central made choices to fall under a university in order to make their training accessible to all people. Hence rada has a rep to be a school for posh people.

      • Gingerly says:

        @ Jess, that’s sad if it is true. They should make more scholorships when the tuition fees get that high.

        One statistic data I learned around the Bryant debate was from the Guardian.

        “At Guildhall School of Speech and Drama in London 79.5% of drama undergraduates admitted last year came from state schools and 20 out of 26 graduating students from the Bristol Old Vic last year were also state-educated. At Rada in 2012/13 40% were from a household with an annual income of less than £25,000.”

        To me 40% seemed to be fair though not great. But Brits may think otherwise.

      • icerose says:

        Gingerly so true -the fees have changed drastically since Tom was there -back in the 60’s when we had full grants drama colleges were very mixes class wise although if i am correct RADA has always been been fee paying but offers scholarships.
        The difficult area is surviving while you are looking for jobs with out money behind you but I have friends who have back up jobs for the lean periods.And look at Game of Thrones-it is packed with some of our best working class actors

    • Guest says:

      Actually he is right. There are also people who have not attended RADA, Eton or Harrow and made a name of themselves. People attended Eton before and no one complained before. Since Cameron took over the press is making a deal about everything. I have said it before: it is not his fault that he was born into a wealthy family, it is not his fault that there is a bunch of great actors right now who attended wealthy schools, it is not his fault that Redmayne won every award this year and people kept saying that he got lucky because he is rich… What a bull…. Brits should be proud of this generation. Btw he also said before that he does know that he is lucky for being born wealthy but he also puts more effort into everything as he is aware of the class discussion. That is the reason why he is working non stop. He said before that theatre and schools should be available for everyone. How often should he repeat himself? People forget that his father is a self made business man and his mother worked too. Did his status open doors? Yes. But he never denied this. In the end he had to work as a waiter too and was discovered by a more famous guy. If you want something you work for it. Did he attend a great school? Yes. But he had to work for RADA charges. Same goes for Fassy who worked as a barkeeper and waiter… Why is no one talking about him? Because he grew up in Killarney? Seriously all this being posh and british talk started with this generation and that is pretty funny in a bad way. As there always has been a bunch of great actors from GB. Hiddleston will do fine. He never denied his luck and I total get his point. Better this way than being Cooper who is a Clown imo… Talking about pay differences he knew long before….. Good publicity for him… Pffff.

      • Ante says:

        Actually he never had to work as a waiter. At least not to make a living. He did it in summertime at his mothers festival. A bit different.
        I think he is too defensive (probably feels personally attacked) and his optimism doesn’t help either. Saying that everyone should do what they like is pretty blue eyed. This optimistic “you can be everything if you want to talk” that he likes to spread is simply far from reality.
        I don’t want to see any of the “posh” actors be singled out or name called. There is an issue though. It also needs talking about in my opinion.
        At least he knows about his luck and doesn’t dismiss it.

      • neverland says:

        Ante, just want to apologise if you feel any of my posts (I bang on a lot) were rude or anything to you. Not intended but it happens and if so, sorry about that. I do agree that he seems optimistic, which isn’t a horrible thing to be. It’s just that optimism can forget about or not realise the middle bit before we reach the utopia (or equality) he believes in. Does that make sense? I admire his outlook but realise there’s work before we get there. I’m sure he does too, it’s just that the current discourse can cloud that a little.

        I also compare it to his statements about women in film. He is a lot less defensive on that perhaps because when asked the discussion doesn’t start with “you’re a man, you take over Hollywood. You, you, you.” It’s more about the positive and the progression, how it’s fixed. Maybe it feels more like a discussion rather than a statement about him that he has to defend or feel guilty for. Or maybe I’m projecting onto him lol.

      • Ante says:

        No apology needed.
        Actually the discussion about feminism is what made this seem strange to me. He has no problem to talk about the inequality there and is pretty outspoken about that.

        I think you might be right that the journalist started off the wrong way, but the response was a bit shocking to me knowing that he usually is more open to talk about issues.

        Maybe I project to much as well. I hoped for a clearer statement.

    • neutral says:

      Ante there are plenty of actors who didn’t have Tom’s start in life, so he isn’t talking bullshit. Ben Wishaw, James McAvoy, Ken Branagh, Gemma Arterton, Fassbender off the top of my head.
      It isn’t just about acting, university fees for all courses affect everyone. But this situation at the moment is that we have a Prime Minister and half a cabinet who are from posh backgrounds to certain paper in particular push this ad nauseam (Guardian I’m looking at you) . Also for your information, at street level all Brits are not obsesses with class.

    • Lilacflowers says:

      The constant references to which actors are posh and their backgrounds combined with the limited opportunities for the non-posh does absolutely nothing to address the inequities in access to arts education and jobs in the British system. Pressure on the government to restore funding and access is what is needed.

    • neutral says:

      @ Neverland – Chris Bryant MP who himself was privately educated at Cheltenham College, whose fees aren’t much less than those of Eton.

    • Bay says:

      Uuuuh… let’s get the torches, round him with Emily Blunt and buuurn them both!!!

      Looking at the Outrage Fishing that goes on on the Internet, it’s perfectly clear what those two are talking about.

    • Lilacflowers says:

      Okay, I just went and read the actual article in Der Spiegel. I confess my German skills are a bit rusty but I was actually surprised at how much of it I understood without difficulty. He basically said that everyone should have access to a job they want without hindrance – that’s where the word “hindrance” connects. I am always leery of translations of translations, which is what everyone is working from here.

      And again, to an extent he is right, constantly pointing out who the posh boys are doesn’t make the entry into drama schools or the profession any easier for those without those advantages. Almost every single British or European interview I have seen points out that he attended Eton, as this one does. A revamping of the system is what is needed and that is up to the British people. Those families of the non-posh do have voting rights too, don’t they?

      And then we have the American scene, which is populated by former child actors and those who benefit from nepotism.

  15. Gingerly says:

    It is reported that he sang 5 songs in that premiere. I was rather impressed because he managed to play the guitar and sing the songs pretty well after 10 months passed since the shooting. After the crazy promotional tour and the disappointing news of delayed release of ISTL he still smiled and entertained the audience. He has his professionalism and integrity.

    • Dara says:

      I was impressed as well, and honestly I expected to cringe just a little – recording songs in a studio and then performing them for film where there is a safety net of re-takes is one thing, singing live without a lot of rehearsal time is another. I’m now fully bummed ISTL got pulled out of contention this year.

      If nothing else, all of the promotional work Tom has done in the last month has proved that he’s willing to shill his heart out for any of his projects, regardless of how well they might be received critically or commercially. That doesn’t go unnoticed by folks with the money to finance projects.

  16. betsy says:

    So Cumberbatch did the right thing dropping Crimson Peak. Must admit I didnt expect it to bomb as badly as it did.

    It’s not gone well for Hiddleston this year after all. I was expecting him to be nominated for I saw the light.

    • neutral says:

      Well Ben survived the bombing of the Fifth Estate and the nothing special August: Osage County so don’t despair yet.

      • Guest says:

        Osage County was well received though…. Fantastic movie.

      • Lilacflowers says:

        Fassbender survived The Counselor and Redmayne survived Jupiter Ascending. Clooney survived the sequel to The Attack of the Killer Tomatoes. Every actor has bad movies on his/her resume. I don’t understand why the otter is constantly used as the comparison

      • neutral says:

        I wouldn’t normally use Ben like this but someone suggested he was right to drip CP is all.

      • EN says:

        Wasn’t Osage Country at the Oscars? It couldn’t be that bad. It was a Meryl Streep movie.

      • Froop says:

        What, like Mamma Mia? Cinematic perfection right there. It must be, since it has Meryl in it.

      • Amanda says:

        Mamma Mia was a Musical Movie and I enjoyed that one. Osage County was well received. Both Roberts and Streep were nominated and I am sure that TH would love to work with Meryl Streep one day. Sometimes I really don’t get the nasty comments about Cumberbatch here. You might not like his looks, his behaviour or comparisons but he is an incredibly talented actor. I personally don’t get the hype regarding Hardy. But everyone has its own preferences. As for Jupiter and Redmayne: He did that movie before his Oscar Award. But I do agree with The Counselor. Man, that was a very bad movie. What kind of agents or agencies does Cumberbatch/Fassbender have? Just curious. What I also don’t understand: TH read the script of ISTL. And everyone seems to state that the script was bad. So what did he see in this movie when he signed for it? As for Olsen and him, I also think that he danced tango with her behind closed doors, still does probably. 🙂 Good for him, although I do think that she comes across kind of boring.

      • Lilacflowers says:

        August: Osage County was an atrocious film that somehow managed to waste both Chris Cooper and Margo Martindale and made Ewan McGregor disappear. Cumberbatch’s performance was painfully bad.

      • EN says:

        > What, like Mamma Mia? Cinematic perfection right there. It must be, since it has Meryl in it.

        Don’t know. Was she nominated for an Oscar for it? Because she was for the Osage County.

      • waitwhat says:

        CP is outscoring August: Osage County on both Rotten Tomatoes & Metacritic. 69/67 for CP; 64/58 for A:OC. I can see it getting technical nominations. A shame its marketing was mismanaged.

      • Lisa says:

        McGregor was the worst in A:OC. Cumberbatch was passable imo, but the whole thing lacked direction and Streep was just way over the top. It did make a healthy profit and snag Oscar noms though.

        Most actors have failures, it’s not going to kill Tom’s career or anything. CP just wasn’t very good. Pretty to look at but the plot holes and wonky dialogue…just not worth my money. Someone–Variety I think—mentioned it goes to show how social media buzz means nothing, and I’ve always thought that to be the case.

      • cranberry says:

        I think CP is pretty good and entertaining. It’s a large scale, sensory experience totally worth the ticket price. Add to that a full on Tommy extravaganza in lovely dark hair, dark clothes and sex scene to boot. But really, I think that most people putting down the film didn’t understand that although it is a technologically modern version, it is still essentially a Traditional Gothic romance.
        Fine if folks don’t like that genre style, but I think Del Toro pretty much made the movie he wanted to make in the tradition he wanted to do. He is extremely well versed in both the literary and cinematic Gothic genres, and he made exactly that, a technologically modern Gothic romance. And I am so glad he did – cause it’s rare to see that at this level of big budget film. We’ll probably not see anything like this at this scale again.

    • Guest says:

      People can make fun of the Otter as much as they want to but he made great choices… Film wise.

      • Leah C says:

        Actually Osage County received mixed reviews as well. If you head over to Rotten Tomatoes it got a 64% Fresh. As of now, Tom has one rotten movie and that is ISTL. Everything else is Fresh Tomatoes all round.

      • MexicanMonkey says:

        I don’t know if I would go that far, I won’t use Tom as a comparison because it’s getting kinda silly, but if you look at Fassbender and Hardy I think they’ve made far better choices than Benedict. He’s really pigeonholed himself when it comes to what roles he chose, as a casual observer I dunno how much range he has because all the movies I’ve seen the characters were kinda similar. Maybe his earlier work has more diversity but that’s not what the casual audience members know him for.
        And I’ll add that Hardy has also survived Child 44.
        And I really wouldn’t call CP a bomb, I think the fans needed to manage their expectations regarding an R-rated Gothic romance with a soft opening being successful at the BO.

      • EN says:

        > pigeonholed himself when it comes to what roles he chose, as a casual observer I dunno how much range he has

        Cumberbatch has an impressive range. Though, of course, I am fan so take it for what it is worth.
        What he doesn’t have is Fassy’s and Hardy’s macho looks. He is greatly limited by his looks, not lack of talent.

        In terms of looks I think Cumberbatch is comparable to Tom Hanks. He should look at Hank’s career for tips.

      • MexicanMonkey says:

        Benedict is definitely talented, I doubt anyone can argue against that point, almost every known British actor working nowadays is very talented. And I don’t doubt he has range I have just yet to see it in his more well known films. But you make an interesting point, I think his looks are both an advantage for getting certain parts and also work against him for others.

      • Jess says:

        Cumberbatch is not macho. I find him very unattractive in photos, however he does have charisma on screen.
        Fassbender is macho and excuses sexuality.
        Tom is like a very good actor, intelligent and nice guy but IMO he lacks somehing a charisma or it factor. He just seems a bit beige. I sometimes feel like hes the chris martin of acting.

      • Amanda says:

        Cumberbatch is more talented than Fassbender from my point of view. And I agree with you. Although I do think that Cumberbatch looks better than Tom Hanks *winks*

      • Bebe says:

        Faasbender and cumberbatch have about the same of level talent.
        Fassbender has a ridiculously good back catalogue already. Janye eyre, shame, hunger, tyas, fishtank, inglorious basterds, Macbeth. Cumberbatch has not been involved in as many great movies.It’s apparent that Fassbender has a feel for good directors. He works with Andrea Arnold, Steve McQueen, Fukunaga before they are well known. This is an important part of carving out a good career. This knowing a good script a good director when one sees one.

      • Madly says:

        Fassy has talent, looks and can kiss well on screen. Otter only has talent and isn’t considered conventionally handsome. And his ability to kiss on screen is questionable. Fassy has had an easier go of it because he is also sexy with a hot face. Fact.

      • cranberry says:

        Agreed. CP is not a bad choice at all. It’s a good film even if it does end up under preforming at BO. The main reason he signed on to ISTL is because it’s the sole lead of the film, and it’s a transformational role. It’s very ambitious for any actor. It show cases a range of skills from singing, cross-cultural period piece acting, to the accent. Tom still needs to build his resume especially main leading roles. Most of his major roles in films he shares the lead with others like Tilda, Rachel, Chris, Jessica and Mia. Even if he’s steeling the show – Thor, it’s still not recognized as his movie (although I do consider him the lead in the Avengers).

    • lunchcoma says:

      Crimson Peak was still a good choice for Tom. At the time he accepted it, he didn’t have much on his plate. It’s better to be working than not, especially since neither I Saw the Light’s nor Crimson Peak’s reviews are negative about Tom’s performance. I think he’ll be careful next year so he doesn’t get a reputation as being a good actor who’s in terrible movies, but he’ll be fine.

  17. NUTBALLS says:

    Tomorrow at noon EST, Josh Horowitz has a Tommy-flavored treat for us:

  18. Jess says:

    He’s a very good actor. However theres something a little bland about him. I think that’s why his movies don’t do that well.

    • Camille says:

      It’s called ‘lacking in charisma’. He doesn’t have enough appeal for men, just his fan girls from the Thor movies.

      • neutral says:

        He was macho enough in Coriolanus!

      • KTE says:

        I find it really weird when anyone says he lacks charisma, because he really does have bags of it. You really feel it when you’re in the same room as him – I first saw him on stage long before he was famous, and knew he was going to be a star – and it certainly comes across on screen.

      • Hannah says:

        Cumberbatch is charismatic. He overcomes his odd looks with charisma. I don’t see it with Hiddleston.

      • Bay says:

        I find it peculiar how, even among the movies that got panned by reviews, Tom’s performance is almost unanimously singled out as a positive point, and yet, there are those who will still go out of their way to load the failures on him. Peculiar.

        There’s also a certain stench of misogyny around those parts, as if having “fan GIRLS” is somehow detrimental to the quality of his work, but that’s not a knot I feel like untying right now.

      • TotallyBiased says:

        So I guess all those reviewers world wide (predominantly male, oddly enough) must secretly be Thor movie fangirls? Because since Avengers he has inevitably been one of, if not THE standout reasons to see his films or stage play, according to them. And the adjectives many of them use tend to imply plenty of charisma onscreen– ‘magnetic’, ‘overwhelming’, ‘transcendent’, ‘powerhouse’.
        I’ve read a lot recently that implies CB posters on Hiddleston threads won’t ‘allow’ anything negative to be posted about him, and that’s just garbage. The issue ( and frankly, it confuses me why there are people even putting their energy into doing this) is with people who post purely negative comments–flat statements–as if they were fact, but without material to back them up. It’s one thing to say something in your opinion, but quite another to state a disputable concept as fact. Or even to state falsehoods as fact.
        Those are the posts that we examine and debate, because if you are going to trash someone you should be able to back it up!

      • Katie says:

        Saying he lacks charisma isn’t trashing him. That’s a perfectly reasonable opinion based on personal perception. I don’t personally agree with it but it’s not nasty.

        But I noticed long ago that some of his fans are up to the same crap you’re mentioning in other posts, so pot meeting kettle probably.

      • TotallyBiased says:

        Katie–that’s very disingenuous of you. I specifically mention personal perceptions and opinions as NOT the problem.
        Statements like ‘However theres something a little bland about him. I think that’s why his movies don’t do that well.’
        and ‘It’s called ‘lacking in charisma’. He doesn’t have enough appeal for men, just his fan girls from the Thor movies.’ are spiteful because they are stated as facts when not supported by reviews or critical analyses.

      • Katie says:

        Those are clearly opinions, just like the reviews you cited. They think he is bland, there’s no ‘proving’ anyone is bland because it’s innately a matter of personal perception. Same with there is no proving he’s charismatic. No one is taking those statements as facts because they can never be facts.

        Your response was just really OTT, what they said wasn’t scandalous.

      • cranberry says:

        Even if it were true that he doesn’t appeal enough to men, that doesn’t mean he is ‘lacking in charisma’. One does not equate directly to the other. Tom has tons of charisma especially on screen which is why he’s gotten and still getting major roles like Hollow Crown’s Hal / Henry V, or Loki, Thomas Sharp, Hank and SI. No he doesn’t have the same charisma/energy as Cumberbatch. Charisma is not something that’s clearly definable. It’s quite different for everybody. Sure some people have more that others, but it’s not easy to say why, how or to what degree.

        Tom by his nature is more subtle and nuanced. He has a gentleness and grace that might make it harder for him to get lead macho roles. Nevertheless he can pull it off! – again Hollow Crown, Loki or Coriolanus. This is Tom’s appeal. He’s not the same macho male type that’s always the “safe” bet, but he can portray maleness which I attribute to his charisma.
        Interestingly, for someone as gentle and nuanced as Tom, he still has a lot of fanboys out there that totally dig his portrayal of Loki.

      • Guest says:

        Lack of charisma? Well that is new to me because here I was thinking that every female reporter gushed over him whenever he was being interviewed. And he is not even that good looking. Lacking charisma and the Hiddles doesn’t work in the same sentence.

      • jammypants says:

        There’s more shades of “maleness” than just machismo, fueled by testosterone. The type of “maleness” Tom carries is more cerebral, elegant, and quiet intensity.

      • Guest says:

        Elegant and classy. I am with you and totally get what you mean.

  19. Jess says:

    Duplicate comment!

    • KTE says:

      Cumberbatch has charisma, but Hiddleston has more charisma. I’m talking about the quality that bypasses rational thought, goes straight to the spinal column and makes you sit up straight and pay attention.

      I’ve literally sat in theatres full of people who did that when Hiddleston walked on stage. You can feel it happen – it’s a most peculiar sensation. That’s the joy of live theatre though! Cumberbatch doesn’t do it to the same extent, though he does command attention on stage.

      At the end of the day, though, they’re both extremely talented actors. They’re both going to have long and successful careers.

  20. Dara says:

    Google finally uploaded the full-length video of GdT and cast to their You Tube channel. 45 minutes of Crimson Peak goodness. I’ll have to wait to watch when I’m at home on the couch, but everyone else enjoy.

    • NUTBALLS says:

      Dara, have I told you lately that I love you??

      • Dara says:

        @Nutty darling – the feeling is mutual! 😍

      • neutral says:

        Get a room you two. 🙂

      • NUTBALLS says:

        Don’t deny our love, neutral!

        I feel there is a link between Dara’s heart and mine and I can’t fight this feeling in any longerrrrrr!!!!!

      • neutral says:

        Hey nutty, I’m encouraging you 😉

      • Dara says:

        @neutral – at the risk of offending @Nutty’s delicate sensibilities, I’d invite you to join us – the more the merrier as far as I’m concerned. Especially since the onscreen action in Crimson Peak left me decidedly unfulfilled and I’m looking for an outlet for all my pent-up, ummm, energy. @Nutty takes to hills (literally) to work off some steam, but I’m open to suggestions if anyone has any ideas.

      • neutral says:

        Suggesting a threesome – won’t Lilac start getting jealous 😉

      • Lilacflowers says:

        @neutral, a threesome between you, Dara, and Nutballs? Have fun. Not jealous at all but no, I won’t be joining in.

      • NUTBALLS says:

        Ladies, I don’t multitask well… I can only focus on one person at a time!!

    • Lilacflowers says:

      Thank you!

    • Lilacflowers says:

      And special thanks and a bouquet of flowers to whomever pinned that microphone in such a way that it causes the shirt to gap even more!

  21. KTE says:

    CP is one of those films that a lot of people will discover later. It really is aimed at an older audience that doesn’t necessarily go out to the cinema.

    There’s more measured of success than BO

    • Allegra says:

      Funny that Scott from Nerdist tweeted something like that yesterday:
      “Crimson Peak is one of those movies you’ll see on cable in two years and realize that you should have seen it on the big screen.”

    • Allegra says:

      About box office, see this article:

  22. DT says:

    US weekly is calling them, “real life lovebirds” again 😒
    Also does anyone have a link to this article causing so much discussion, about the class issue.

    • Dara says:

      The most recent one (I think) is from a German magazine. I’m wondering if some of the nuance is getting lost in translation. IMO his comments weren’t any different than what he’s been saying all along. I used to be able to read German at a very basic level as long as there was a German-English dictionary at the ready, but these days about all I can recollect is bitte, danke and schnitzel.

      • neutral says:

        Tried to give you a translation but my post “got disappeared”. If you go to the article, right click on it and you should have the choice “translate to english” .

      • Lilacflowers says:

        As I said above, my German is very rusty but I agree something was lost in the translation from English to German to English because I got something slightly different when I read the German than I did from that German translation of it. I then ran it through a translator and it came closer to my understanding of the German than it did to the English translation.

      • Gingerly says:

        He said basically the same things that he had said before. And that means in CB he could get criticized endlessly. (I am joking) Actually it is a decent article.

    • Madly says:

      hey, girl has to get her name out here somehow.

  23. neutral says:

    Found a website where one of the comments is something along the lines of “if this is Tom’s commitment to a role I hope he’s not going to be playing Ted Bundy any time soon”!

  24. Camille says:

    I get a ‘just friends vibe’ from them and as is often the case in Hollywood, a PR match up to sell the movie (case in point: Skarsgard and E Page, and as it turned out Page is gay, I feel the same about Hiddleston).

  25. Dara says:

    Did I miss the discussion about all the lovely chalk-stripe suit photos appearing on the GQ UK website? While I appreciate how the too-tight tailoring accentuates certain features, I don’t think it is an especially flattering look for the Tom-ster.

    That was a quick turnaround, the photo shoot just happened in early September.

    • EN says:

      What is up with perpetually too tight pants?

    • Allegra says:

      A short video from MTV with Tom and Jessica:

    • Lilacflowers says:

      @Dara, other than me mentioning it a few times on today and yesterday’s thread, there has not been a discussion. I still like the aubergine suit best. And I love the dog. When the behind the scenes pictures first appeared weeks ago, we discussed then how it looked like the suits were a size too small. I think such photoshoots tend to go with what gets sent over from the sample rack and the sizes aren’t necessarily those of the person who is going to model them. If too large, they pin. If too small, they make do and photoshop. I also think there is a tendency to tighter clothing in Europe than in the states and I’ve noticed that on quite a few British actors – the pants are a much closer fit than you see on American guys.

      • Dara says:

        @Lilac – I think we can safely say that Tom does not have a sample-size physique, even before he started to bulk up for the Monkey Movie. I’m all for a close fit, but these were extreme – even by European standards. A few of those seams looked ready to surrender to the inevitable if someone even so much as looked at them funny.

      • Lilacflowers says:

        As I said, they were too small because they had the sample sizes, which he is not by any means. Some of them looked like he had difficulty walking because of the tightness. And watching him get into them must have been rather entertaining.

      • Gingerly says:

        I like the bust shot photos – the navy double breast suit and the dark gray suit + overcoat. They capture wonderfully his angular face and sharp cheekbones.

  26. madly says:

    Finally saw Crimson Peak. They gave away too much too soon. It was obvious something was off from the get go as soon as you met the sister.

    Tom was good in it, but the script needed many rewrites before it should have been shot. GDT should really stick to scripts he doesn’t write. I think he was crunched for time and threw something together when his cast changed and this is the result.


    The ghost almost felt unnecessary. It would have worked out just fine without them…..

  27. neutral says:

    People have talked about Tom’s choices in taking the three latest films, but we don’t know if he had any other choice than these or no work do we?

    • jammypants says:

      I thought he made good, interesting choices. I’ve seen all his films this year and he was fantastic in all of them. The films themselves are not even bad. They’re not mindblowing, but there is some good in all of them.

      • Lilacflowers says:

        I find his choices intriguing as well. He wants to stretch himself and try different types of characters, which should be encouraged. Some things aren’t going to pan out but his work is earning good reviews. Crimson Peak wasn’t great but it was watchable. Every film doesn’t have to win Oscars. This constant moan about role choice can get tiresome. The guy’s career is surviving just fine.

      • jammypants says:

        Some comments I’ve seen around various parts of the web, particularly from his fans and haters, are really bent on the crash and burn of his career. I think he’s doing fine.

      • Lilacflowers says:

        I always find it amusing when people go on about how his career is over if this or that doesn’t get award recognition when he has projects lined up through the next year. Or they insist he needs to model his career after this or that person and you look at their IMDb page and discover that all they had to show at Tom’s age were failed sitcoms or D level movies.

      • neutral says:

        After Les Mis Eddie Redmayne couldn’t get a job then look what happened.

    • Anon222 says:

      On the record, he has at least 2 offers from MGM that he turned down last year, Ben Hur and Me Before You. The Sony leak also mentioned other projects that he’s been attached to. I don’t think he’s lacking job opportunity.

  28. Verdant33 says:

    My friends and I loved Crimson Peak. Beautiful movie! Everyone was great! I’m sure that the box office does not matter that much to him, especially these days when no one particular actor is a guarantee draw, Fassbender, Clooney & Cumberbatch must realize that as well. Crimson Peak also should have box office intake in other countries, should it not? Either way this TH is so talented and positive that he’ll be just fine. I guess some people just hate to see that.