Some of you hate the fact that Kim Kardashian has been telling us every little detail about her pregnancy, including how much she herself loathes being pregnant. I don’t know, though – I kind of hate-respect her for being so honest about it. Her pregnancy has been a pain in the ass from start to finish, and I appreciate the fact that Kim isn’t sugarcoating any of it. Last week, Kim wrote about how Baby Boy Kardashian-West was breech and how she did not want to go through another C-section to deliver him. It looks like she was serious about all that. Yesterday, Kim posted a story to her subscription site where she described the painful process of her doctors manually turning the baby around in utero. OMG. This story makes my lady parts shut down completely.
Kim Kardashian West delivery fears have been alleviated – her baby is no longer breech.The reality star posted a pregnancy update to her website on Tuesday, just a week after revealing that her son was in the wrong position for childbirth.
“This weekend, I checked into the hospital and underwent a procedure called an external cephalic version (ECV), which is done to manually turn the baby from a breech position to a head-down position,” the 35-year-old shared.
Kardashian West, who is 37 weeks along, said she was given an IV with medication to relax her uterus while three doctors worked together to turn the baby. The procedure, according to the star, came with several risks, including the chance that her water might break or her baby’s heart rate would drop. In either case, an emergency cesarean section would have taken place.
“They don’t give you any pain medication, and let me tell you: This was soooooo painful. Probably more painful than childbirth,” Kardashian West, who was joined at the hospital by her sisters and husband Kanye West, shared. “BUT it worked!!!”
The baby is now in the “right position,” and the star said “it feels so good to not have the stress of thinking I need a C-section.” Kardashian West, who is “so thankful” for her doctors, isn’t out of the woods yet though – she now has a cold and sinus infection. So how will she recover while keeping up with mommy duties for North, 2? With the help of her favorite babysitter: sister Kourtney Kardashian.
“I’m going to have North have a sleepover with her cousins for the next two days so I can really sleep and get better,” she shared. “She loves sleepovers and I really need this time to get better. I haven’t been able to sleep and just need to catch up.”
I get that Kim isn’t anyone’s favorite, but can we all agree that her pregnancy drama is the real deal and that we genuinely have some sympathy for her? My God. To have doctors manually turn around a breech baby with no painkillers… yikes. It looks like she was serious about not wanting a C-section too. Damn, Kim.
Photos courtesy of WENN.
Ouch, that’s meant to be very painful
Lucky woman. Turning a breech baby is very rare, even now.
Pics aside, I don’t blame her for trying to avoid a C-section. Of note, there can be complications with normal delivery after a C-section; the data is out there. Damned if you do and damned if you don’t, Kim.
Really? I was afraid of that. Guess I won’t be having another child because I refuse to have another c section.
Not everyone is able to have a VBAC, but there are a lot of great OB-Gyns that are supportive of VBAC deliveries. There are so many different reasons why women have an emergency C section in the first place, so different factors come into whether or not a woman is eligible for a VBAC – but it’s definitely very possible. And just a reminder, there’s a lot of documented complications with ANY intervention in childbirth, it’s a question of finding the right provider and managing risk.
I swear she didn’t have a c section with North. She said she wanted one but labor started early (I think north was 4 weeks early) and fast and there wasn’t time. Afterward she said she was glad she did it vaginally because the healing was really fast and her girl parts were fine.
Of course it’s her and she could have made all that up and really scheduled a C early to avoid stretch marks. Christina Aguilar admitts had a C at 37 werks with her first to avoid stretch marks and tearing. She talked about it in an interview with cosmo or glamour a few years ago.
Hollywood doctors will do anything for celebrities.
Couldn’t she just have gone to a chiropractor for the Webster technique? It’s a non invasive way of turning a baby and worked for me and my baby. I don’t watch the show so maybe she did ….
She tried moxa which isn’t very mainstream , so maybe she did try the chiro.
I thought turning breech babies was a thing that was done while the mom was giving birth. I never knew nor have I ever heard of someone having it done so far ahead of delivery.
They lie about everything just to have story lines for that show. Sorry, can’t say that I sympathize with her.
Actually, external cephalic version does exist…. It is usually performed around 36 weeks . I’ve never saw 3 doctors do it, one is usually enough although the success rate is about 50%… And its not supposed to be painfull but she is right that an emergency c section can happen right after the procedure ( although it is rare )
From what I’ve read, they try to wait until about 36 or 37 weeks because there is some risk of the water breaking or the baby getting tangled in the umbilical cord (they monitor and guide usually by ultrasound) or other problem and so they are ready to induce or do a C-section right away if needed. At least one of the manipulations should have another person available to help but I haven’t seen more mentioned or that it needs to be another doctor. They are pressing externally in an attempt to convince the baby to turn around. So it can be done before the day of birth and if all goes well, the mom can go home after the procedure and wait for the next event…. There is a small risk that baby will decide to go back to the original breech position in between. But although the procedure can be temporarily uncomfortable, it usually isn’t a painful procedure for the mom although people can have different pain thresholds and individual differences. Kim, of course, has to have THREE doctors pushing on her and PAIN WORSE THAN CHILDBIRTH because she’s Kim…. Her description compared with the descriptions I’ve read makes me wonder if she really had it done (or if the baby was really breech) or if she or her assistant just read about it and pulled out the worst possible scenario for her storyline.
I’ve heard that external version hurts like hell even though they sometimes give you something to take. My breech baby turned a couple of days before labor but I still needed an unplanned c-section because the stinker had the cord wrapped around her in four places. It sucked, but it wasn’t so awful that I wouldn’t do it again… Well, no I wouldn’t. Three kids is enough for me! My husband’s vasectomy is on the calendar.
I could have led a very full life not knowing this. Over share and who really GAF?
I’m more put out by those pictures of where the baby is going to arrive.
LOL @Bettyrose. At first I thought I had missed a picture, but when I scrolled back up I got the joke. I obviously require coffee
Seriously.
THAT exactly
Well I guess those that take the time to read the entire article do GAF about what goes on in the life of Kim K! I can see why she doesn’t want a c-section. It is major abdominal surgery. I had two of them. I bounced back in no time from the one at 27 but with the one at 35, it took months for the fatigue and weakness to disappear. Looking after the baby was twice as hard as the first time. I don’t think it has anything to do with her not wanting a scar.
Actually, I didn’t read it
Sorry but I don’t believe anything she says. So many things she’s said in the past have been medically wrong. My sis in law was a few weeks away from birth, her son had not turned yet, since she had a few weeks, Dr. Waited. No need for all this drama. I get women who have a hard time,but rhs one lies so easily n is so vain that I find her hard to believe especially since she’d have documented it somehow
I don’t believe anything that comes out of this Kows mouth either.
I think there is some risk of the baby turning back as well?
You clicked and you read. No one to blame but yourself for doing so. Unless someone is forcing you to ready and click. Then that’s another situation.
My thoughts as well. Why is OP on a dirt site, then? Don’t click.
Really…. Why would she go through all that to not have a C-section? This is 2015. This seems like a lot of crap for vanity.
She just didn’t want a scar on her body.
I am officially sick of Kim K and this pregnancy.
With all due respect, a cesarean is major surgery and it can be very scary. I could see why she would want to avoid that route if she could. Although, your comment maybe stemming from the Kardashian point of view and if that’s the case then I guess I can understand it.
Yes, but this procedure doesn’t exactly sound safe
Um, no. A c-section, while common, is still major abdominal surgery. It’s a long, mostly painful (though some lucky women say it’s not) recovery and it makes caring for a newborn very difficult. I had an emergency c-section during which time I nearly died, as did my daughter. A week later, I was back in the hospital because I lost too much blood and was severely anemic and barely able to breathe. The scar was the least of my issues with a c-section. Besides, I think Kim had one with North and so, already has one.
I can’t stand Kim, but I think she’s getting too much shit for this. The same thing that happened to you happened to my sister, she almost died after her c section, and her recovery was long and very painful..where as I gave birth to my child vaginally and I was up and about for no time. I think people are too quick to want c sections and they assume it’s easier than pushing the kid out, but after what I saw with my sis I would disagree. I would do anything to avoid a section just like Kim
I’m pregnant right now and I honestly appreciate how transparent shes been with her pregnancy. I don’t see anything wrong with wanting to avoid a c-section. Its whats best for the baby and for the mom. If you have the money and can stand the pain, why not?
I think she may have given birth naturally with North.
I’m so sorry you had such a rough time, at delivery and then again after. I appreciate your opinion. I think ( and I may be wrong) that an emergency c-section comes with a larger incision and less deft handling of underlying muscle and fascia because baby needs to be born NOW. OBs and L&D nurses should chime in.
I had a c-section for my twins- baby “a” ( who was in blast off position, i.e., the first to be born) was breech, baby “b” was not. I was 37 weeks along, and there was no room to try to turn him. I was offered to try a vaginal delivery, but told it may require an urgent section. I decided to just have a scheduled section to avoid injury to baby “a” and to baby “b”,who could suffer additionally waiting for his brother to leave, as well as trauma above and below for myself. It was the right choice for me, as they were 6#10oz and 6#1oz at 38 weeks, respectively.
My experience may not be typical, but I was up and walking that same night, and off percocet, taking only ibuprofen the following day. The incision burned when it pulled ( mostly getting in & out of bed), but with abdominal support and some nursing help, I just wanted to get out of the hospital asap.
My complicated spontaneous delivery of DD three years earlier was much worse than my scheduled section.
It’s all a gamble, and quite a furious battle- nature versus your body- but so worth it in the end. 🙂
i hear ya, BendyWindy. I had a c-section with my first and it was horrible. Along with all the other nasties of surgery, the doctor messed up my stitches and the last inch of my incision didn’t stop bleeding and fully close til I was 3 months into recovery. I found out later that the section wasn’t even necessary, the complications I had could have been managed but the doctor just wanted to rush me through.
I’m currently at 38 weeks with baby number two and would do anything to avoid another section. 2 weeks ago baby was transverse and dr said I may have to have another, I could have cried. Looking after a (clingy) toddler and a newborn while trying to recover from major abdominal surgery is a herculean feat in my eyes, I don’t blame anyone for wanting to avoid it. I am no fan of Kim but I have full respect for her trying ECV, I’ve read how painful the procedure is, not to mention the high rates of failure or the possibility of the baby flipping back into breech.
I’m really baffled as to where this idea that c-sections are a walk in the park compared to vaginal deliveries came from. Sure the actual delivery of the baby is painless (unless you have a horror story of an anesthesiologist – which can happen), but recovering from major surgery is no joke and can take much, much longer than a complication free vaginal birth, not to mention the risks it adds in subsequent pregnancies and births.
My second son was transverse until 35 weeks and they said if he hadn’t turned by 36 weeks I would need a c-section! I did so many different yoga positions to get him to turn into position. I was successful! At my 36 week scan he was head down. Just go on YouTube and look for videos on turning a transverse baby!
Good luck!
its not just vanity for all though… i had to have it & its very painful. there are usually other reasons why they do it & avoid c-section is one of them (but not just vanity). c-section isn’t a safe option for all women.
I underwent this procedure and it wasn’t for vanity. C sections are very hard to recover from. And the best outcome for mom and baby is a vaginal birth.
My external version didn’t work. My baby’s heart rate dropped and I ended up with a c section right away. And recovery was awful. Recovering from major abdominal surgery (and with complications for me personally) while caring for your newborn baby is challenging and I would never want to do it again. I ended up in therapy because of a great deal of anxiety over it all.
Oh. No. No, a vaginal birth isn’t always the best outcome. I had an emergency forceps delivery, an episiotomy, multiple third degree tears, and was facing the very real possibility of permanent bowel incontinence. I couldn’t hold or care for my child because my abs were sliced–if only! I couldn’t hold or care for him because it took two hours in surgery to repair the damage to everything down there.
Nope. I would have paid gold for a scheduled c section. F* you, says nature. Only the fittest survive, so survive this.
My aunt delivered three kids naturally and drug-free. The fourth one required a c-section. She told me that the recovery for this one was much more painfull than all the other ones and that it took weeks longer. So, uh, I don’t think it’s about the scar. She could get medical procedures for that one.
Like everyone else said, a C-section is major surgery. There can be a lot of complications with a C-section.
There’s actually a lot of push back in the medical community against the normality of C-sections. There are a lot of doctors who sort of “rush” women into C-sections when really, time will generally solve the problem. C-sections are not only a major abdominal surgery with all the risks that come attached, but they also require significantly more recovery time (a major problem in a country with no legally required maternity leave) and can cause lifelong scarring and complications with later births. Your insurance company also hates C-sections – because it extends your hospital stay by another two days, driving up the costs of healthcare and copayments. In short, there are a LOT of reasons to avoid a C-section if possible.
Yes, a c section is major surgery but it is very common.
we are talking about Kim k, who originally said this baby was to be born via scheduled c section due to other complications. This baby being breech is new to us.
I still scream vanity for this elective procedure to turn the baby
Also I doubt North was a c-section baby.
She will have a nanny for this baby. So I doubt care is her major problem.
Just because something is common doesn’t mean it is not major surgery or with serious implications. And C-sections have serious implications for the baby as well. Wanting to avoid a C-section does not make you vain or stupid. It could mean she wants to avoid having major abdominal surgery or wants to possibly avoid any issues with her baby. You’re assuming an awful lot here about her motives.
I see no vanity whatsoever in the turning of the baby to avoid a c-section. I’ve had two of them and there’s nothing fun about trying to carry around and look after a baby when you’re tired and weak for months after major abdominal surgery.
I thought North was vaginally delivered.
That’s why Kin said she looked at her vagina afterward (wtfffff). Don’t know why she would’ve been concerned about her vagina’s appearance if she’d had a c section.
I thought North was just a preemie.
It’s slightly insulting to suggest that women who fight to avoid C-sections are doing it for vanity reasons. C-sections are wonderful when they are actually needed, but they are major surgery. They also can have serious implications for babies. C-section babies are more likely to develop breathing issues due to not getting uterine fluid naturally expelled from their lungs. There’s research that suggests that they may also miss out on receiving the beneficial bacteria that are normally part of the vaginal canal, as well as more difficulties nursing. Those are not minor things, and wanting to avoid a C-section is usually not a vanity thing.
Thank you! I wish she would keep her big yap shut. Whatever she is going through she always makes it such a big deal.
Shut up kim!
Really? I find her pregnancy sharing very interesting and informative. She doesn’t seem to be making such a big deal of it but more just saying what she feels and what she’s going through. So she doesn’t like being pregnant. Neither did I. Hearing someone actually admit it was refreshing.
I had to screen cap this so I can remember when I am 36 weeks along and dying in the summer. Informative is not a word I would use.
ECVs/versions are standard for breech babies. They are routinely offered to moms in order to avoid a c section. It’s major surgery. The big issue with a version is that they don’t often work because there typically isn’t much room in the womb in late third trimester to rotate the baby. Kim’s pretty lucky that hers did work.
My granddaughter was breech and they tried ECV on her. Unfortunately it didn’t work. But I’m not sure she would have been able to be delivered vaginally even if she turned. She was literally folded in half in the womb with her feet by her ears.
Also, the baby can wriggle/flip back, even if ECV is successful- but trying it is the right thing to do, IMO.
I couldn’t agree more! Her vanity and the need to tell ALL every moment of this second pregnancy, is beyond narcissistic.
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Does she not realize women have been giving birth for thousands of years and this is NOT the first time in history a baby has been breech, and it will not be the last. God almighty, Kim, we don’t care!
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Too many people have been inside her uterus… Scraping it, turning babies etc.. Let nature take its course. You can’t CONTROL everything, Kim. Not even for the sake of not having a scar. How shallow can one be?!?
I think it’s nice that she’s sharing this stuff – why should women keep quiet about how traumatic pregnancy can often be?
Who knows where Kim is concerned? Was she really breech? Was she really turned? Is she really trying to avoid a C-section or is she covering for wanting one (as she has said she did in the past) and making the need more dramatic when it happens? We wouldn’t even question these things with anybody else, but Kim keeps shifting stories and making inconsistent health claims and lies so much, we just can’t know. She’s baffling.
There are all kinds of reasons to avoid C-sections. I had one and tried everything in my power not to have one, but ended up with it anyway. aside from the fact that cutting through your abdominal wall is just as major a surgery and long healing process in 2015 as it was in 1980, the benefits to the baby of having a vaginal birth are manifold-the good bacteria coating they get on their way out strengthens their immune system and colonizes their guts, making them less prone to food allergies, feeding issues etc. C-sections can also majorly interfere with breastfeeding, delaying milk coming in, and all the drugs the mother are on can prevent her from being as successful at feeding as she normally would be.
the c-section rates in this country are staggering-hospitals make more money and doctors are so risk averse that many women aren’t even allowed to go through a whole prolonged labor before someone starts saying the C word.
She’s already had one c-section – she already has a scar. And I can definitely see why someone wouldn’t want a C-section – as other people have said, it’s major surgery.
Where is the scar? And according to reports she did not have a c section with North. Those scars could be from a tummy tuck – just saying,
You know what really sucks? We’ll probably never know the truth!
Glad so many are stating facts of the case. Csections are not easy. They have greatly improved over the span of the procedure to go from the worst option to best case scenario of little downtime and quick recovery. It does not mean some women have the long and painful recovery or life threatening complications.
I’ve been in the room for csections and personally I’d rather never get one. Unless my hand was forced ofcourse.
Admittedly, I don’t really understand the vanity angle. I mean, a vaginal birth isn’t exactly kind to your vag right? So in terms of vanity, it seems like the choice between c-section and vaginal birth would boil down to a choice between your hoo-ha or your stomach. In other words, neither seems ideal to me.
Anyway, I’ll cut her some slack this time but don’t worry, FLORC, it won’t happen again 😉
I have no affection for the Kardashian family, but the vitriol is always over the top. Prior to this pregnancy, Kim was publically stating she was having fertility issues. The consensus here? Liar, liar, pants on fire! She’s setting the stage for a surrogate. While she’s been talking about a breech baby, the consensus here was she’s lying to justify the unnecessary C-section she will have. Now that she states she underwent a painful procedure to avoid C-section? Why it’s for vanity reasons. I’m getting whiplash.
And as for her oversharing her pregnancy and making pregnancy sound horrible – I say good for her. Her fans skew towards young and dimwitted. Let them think pregnancy and motherhood is challenging and difficult. Maybe they’ll think twice about getting pregnant before they’re ready.
“Her fans skew towards young and dimwitted. Let them think pregnancy and motherhood is challenging and difficult.”
That is an excellent point, Mayamae.
I had a c section at 22 and it was horribly painful. They put a needle in my back that made me paralyzed from the waist down. I spent most of my time hopped up on painkillers which helped make it more uncomfortable to breastfeed. So speaking from personal experience I wouldn’t wish it on anyone unless absolutely necessary. I don’t like her but maybe she doesn’t want to go through that pain again.
Yikes.
I agree – I hate respect Kardashian for her share all tactics, too. However, I do think the fact that she is honest about pregnancy not being a bed of roses is good. Because, for lots of women, it is not. And the Celebrity Pregnancy Story in the last couple of decades has been pretty dishonest about it.
I very strongly doubt she is honest at all. She drops a new scare story every couple weeks. Meanwhile, she’s out and about shopping, eating, traveling, and pap strolling. Sorry, I think very few if any of her “woe is me” stories have been true. Storylines.
I agree, I think a lot, if not all, are stories to get attention and sympathy
I don’t believe their constant stories, either. When it is medical, who can contradict?
Her misery is likely made more so by her wardrobe choices.
Agree that most of these stories are lies. I’m still not convinced she’s pregnant
Same here. They are Kardashians – they don’t act or sing. They don’t have movies or albums to keep themselves relevant – they just have gossip. So of course most of it will be made up.
Christin so right! That lace outfit causes a baby to flip around. And her heels? They can likely cause the same. Glad someone here is making sense.
mltpsych
How true. That is not what a pregnant woman looks like ever. Because they only look 1 specific way and that’s without a belly like kims and no swelling ever.
Honestly, the things people think. I came here for a laugh, but i’m leaving upset at the state of ignorance.
I had the same procedure done eight years ago tomorrow with my 3rd child, and it is horrible. I have a low pain threshold and I am also a crybaby, so you can only imagine how frenetic I was. Kudos to Kim for talking about this, I really dislike her but stuff like this reminds me that she’s not above anything no matter how much she vies for perfection.
I had it done 17 years ago as well and it hurt, I had bruises all over my abdomen. My stubborn little girl wouldn’t turn even with the procedure, two days later she turned like she was supposed to. She’s still stubborn to this day…grr!
What a coincidence, my stomach turns every time I see those pictures of a pregnant KK in lace. And I don’t need medical professionals for that.
She looks awful in that lace monstrosity.
Her pregnancy drama is real? How do we know? She lies about everything! Even little things so no, we don’t know what is real and what isn’t.
All we know is she likes men, shopping and money. Thats it.
I bet in 20 years from now we will find just how much almost everything this family said was fake, or a lie and some will be surprised — but I won’t.
Exactly this. I will never believe a word that comes out of a KarTrash-Jenner-West without verification from many different people. Otherwise it is probably just one more lie in their wall of lies.
Exactly. I don’t believe a word she says. She lies and fabricates so much that I will no longer give her the benefit of the doubt, even if she may be telling the truth. She’s the little boy who cried wolf.
This is why I can’t quite empathize. She lies about everything, how do we know this even happened? Not difficult to do some reading and put out a story. I know I sound awful but this family will do anything for a story.
The fact that she states that she’s no longer stressed about the baby being in the wrong position suggests that she’s lying about the procedure or was too ignorant to listen to the doctor afterward. Babies turn back around – the procedures are sometimes for naught. If with you – I think all of her woes have been made up.
Ooohh!!! Can you imagine the E! True Hollywood Story when, 20 years from now, they have all turned on each other?? Juicy!
She is a bloody liar. She uses medical issues for attention. Well since she loves being diagnosed, she has Munchausen syndrome.
Yes, it’s sad but true. Is she telling the truth about this, or is it yet another manufactured drama? She lies so much, she brings the doubts onto herself. This is like those “Is it real or is it Memorex?” commercials….
If her due date really is late December, though, I wonder why such a procedure would be done this early. Wouldn’t the baby still be able to turn into another awkward position between now and birth? Or is this the normal timing for such a procedure? Is the baby too big to turn again spontaneously?
Yes the baby can still turn into a different position.
I agree. We have no idea what is the truth and what is lies. All I know is this family lies A LOT and I put nothing passed them. It’s their own fault we don’t trust them.
Honestly, who cares? Oddly, I have been pregnant at the same times as her and new chunkin’ is due on my bday in January (!). It’s nice to hear someone talk about how hard pregnancy is. It can be life threatening for some of us…and not all cute bellies in bikinis and babymoons.
Regardless, it’s nice that someone can tell another side. I get tired of hearing about pregnancy from celebs who say “oh, I lost all my worth by playing with the kids and breatsfeeding” BOOOOO! I just don’t believe that you would make up that stuff. It’s not plesant and it’s not a popular Hollywood tale.
As if my pregnancy phobia needed more information to make it worse. Yikes!!! Bring on the surrogate!!!
😉 Do you actually believe every word she says? Millions of women have perfectly normal pregnancies with zero drama. Maybe she has a difficult one, or maybe she just found a way to keep the spotlight on by being different from all the celebs who claim their pregnancies are fabulous. I don’t trust anything she says and IMO this is all manufactured for a story line.
But, assuming it is not… The hardship and pain are entirely of her own making. She can afford to put up her feet and do nothing for nine months, unlike most of us. She can afford the best care, including a scheduled C section. But that would not give her kontent for her paid subscribers, right?
Well, reading the pregnancy and bith stories from the commentors on this site does paint a different picture. A lot of things can and will go wrong. The thing is that you normally don’t hear about them.
I don’t know if any of the stuff Kim is saying is true but I would not assume that everyone else on here would be lying.
While Kim K’s drama is suspect, I am fine with women being up front about how problematic pregnancy can be and often is. Too often I think the “easy pregnancy” story gets passed around and feeds into the pro-life, patriarchal ideology that birth isn’t that big of a deal and is entirely fair to expect women to go through it. The reality is that things go wrong ALL THE TIME in pregnancies – we just live in a country where we have access to affordable medicine and care where intervention can occur when necessary. What do you think a C-section is? A fun surgery for the hell of it? What do you think would happen to many of those women without access to surgical intervention? Try looking up some of the maternal mortality rates in areas where the medical infrastructure is vastly underdeveloped, and you’ll get a completely different picture of how dangerous childbirth really can be.
Veronica: I don’t need a lecture on the difficulty or otherwise of childbirth. I’m perfectly aware of the miracle of medical care for pregnancy historically and in underfunded communities world wide.
Vauvert/Zip: she’s a liar and I have no doubt at all that this is content for her fans, but everything I hear about pregnancy, since I was a child, from books, other women, this website etc has simply reinforced my pregnancy phobia.
It’s sod’s law that I love kids, but I have a rock solid phobia of pregnancy and childbirth. Thank goodness science/society has allowed us to have other options eg adoption or surrogacy. No matter if someone has an easy or difficult pregnancy, the process is still a car crash. For 9mths, and at the end, whichever method you choose to remove it from your body, there is a 50% chance of death, even with the best medical care. I’m scaring myself thinking about it even as I write this…….going to think of rainbows and kittens now….
LAK, I have this phobia, too, and since I’m not interested in having kids I would do anything to avoid getting pregnant since to me the outcome would not be worth going through all this.
@ Zip
Yes, the outcome. A cute baby that hopefully is born healthy. Cute and innocent at first until they reach age 2 and you want to rip your own hair out. Then they become teens and give you nothing but attitude. They become adults and forget who you are and don’t have time for you. Is it worth it? To some maybe, to others not so much.
I wasn’t aware I was lecturing you, LAK, since I was responding to Vauvert, but if the subject is that upsetting to you that a medical professional being blunt about pregnancy in other conversations, maybe you should refrain from contributing.
vauvert
Millions of women have complications too. Some quite severe. I haven’t had more than a hand full of actual deliveries I followed from start to finish that were complication free.
Veronica
Your tone was easy to read as lecturing. I thought it walked a line of stating facts and mildly aggressive lecturing. The 2nd half being the more aggressive side.
That said I absolutely agree with every point you made. It’s all true.
LAK
I don’t share your stance here, but forever enjoy your input and comments! And while I do assume a large part of information leaked from this family is nonsense this sounds mostly true. Maybe some exaggeration. Having a breech turned around manually is still done and most of her account read as accurate to a true scenario. Because it comes from a K I think people just like to lash out. She could say the sun sets in the east and people would call her a liar somehow.
Plus, Many are making comments with their 2 minute google medical degrees that would be funny is not horrifying.
My bottom line. Kim appears to have had truly rough experiences being pregnant. And that is not uncommon. That she is someone who lives for social media sharing the information shared is also not uncommon. Things hold up on all sides. May not like the source, but they hold up.
@FLORC, if Kim stated the sun sets in the east I wouldn’t call her a liar. Simply misinformed. 😉
@LAK and Zip
I’m glad to know there are other women who are just as afraid of pregnancy and child birth as I am. I was always so scared to tell anyone because I thought I was alone with this phobia.
I had a text book pregnancy and delivery. My body did everything it was supposed to do, when it was supposed to do it. I kind of felt like a passenger at times myself. I was absolutely shocked when my dr. told me that only 1 pregnancy in 4 is healthy and without complications. In this day and age with the medical advancements available that stat seemed ludicrous to me.
@word, I was really scared too.
@ Lady D
Yes, if men were the ones who gave birth, there would have many more medical advancements by now. I have heard of many women with horrible complications. I know of a family member who’s sister in law died after child birth just a few years ago. I knew a girl who also died after child birth about 8 years ago. It still happens. There needs to be more done about this. I don’t understand. Not only that, but all the stuff that happens to your body after giving birth, like prolapsed uterus, etc. You’re trying to heal after birth while at the same time taking care of a new human ! It seems impossible. Not to mention all the things that can go wrong during the 9 months you are pregnant…the constant worry of your health and the baby’s health while your husband or partner is getting it easy ! Women have it so hard. No wonder many pregnant women resent their partner during pregnancy and after child birth lol.
I think we should all start a support group, ladies.
I had the worst childbirth experience shy of stillbirth and I walked away (well. Was carried away) from it feeling like I’d gotten hit by a semi truck. I could not believe that this is how women give birth….and women keep on having children by choice. That blew me away more than anything.
Aaaahh ouch! My stomach muscles are clenching.
Wow. I’m impressed you guys. I assumed she would have opted for c-section rather than go through a manual version.
My middle child was in the breech position and I was warned I might need a C or a version to turn him. I had no idea what a version was, so I googled and oh the horror. I prayed and cried for him to turn because I was petrified of the version and also of a possible c-section. Thankfully he turned on his own. So kudos to kim.
She’s going to have north go away for a couple of days so she can get some sleep?! I’m confused, doesn’t she have nannies? So how is north interrupting her sleep? She is so full of sh*t
I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt here. I’m sure she has a slew of nannies. But in the middle of the night, if your toddler is crying, or if they’re upset about anything-they want mommy, not the nanny. So unless she has a heart of stone (and I can’t stand this vapid famewhore but I do believe she loves her little girl) she is probably getting up with her.
Nori has been taken care of during the night (and day) by nurses and nannies from the very beginning. For at least the first year and a half, she had a “who the heck are you?” look on her face whenever Kim tried to do mommy and baby bonding poses for the cameras. Although she’s more familiar with Kim now, she doesn’t act that close to her. She does act very close to Kourtney, so it’s very good for her to have sleepovers at Aunt Kourtney’s house. But it is so unlikely that she’s missing Kim. Consider how children usually react to sleeping away from home until they’re much older, because they really do want their parents and their own bed. Nori, in contrast, is just fine with being away from Kim and Kanye. Her nanny is probably also with her, the same one she keeps looking for in pap photos with Kim.
Kim has made it very clear in the past that she needs a lot of “beauty sleep” and she’s been getting it all along. The nonsense about her needing a break from “mommy duties” is just another fairy tale for public consumption, to make her seem normal. I don’t doubt she needs rest, but she isn’t really taking care of Nori herself. Kim doesn’t like messiness and Nori is still at a messy stage. A nanny is feeding her, bathing her, dressing her, and spending most of the time with her.
@Jwoolman, not only that but she is constantly on the go when she could be at home resting.
My daughter would have never slept away from home, even with family at 2 and not even now at 4 and I have an amazing family who adores her. There are nannies. I was a nanny. There are alway nannies in this kind of family.
Props, lady. This was the plan for me as well, but she thankfully turned in time.
I wish I could have had this done, but the cord was wrapped around my baby’s neck. My dr said no way to any of that. She came fast and was born feet first
I think as with everything else, pain tolerance has a lot to do with how painful any procedure is. The best for the baby and mother was to try and turn him. While I get pregnancy is not fun for everyone but lately that’s all we hear about. Kim may be honest with it but really gives TMI about everything. I had wonderful pregnancies, my daughters not so much and my youngest one will tell you she hated it. Part of her not being able to sleep is due to the pregnancy. As someone said above, she has nannies, she’s not even in her own house and so can go hide in a room and let the staff at her mom’s take care of North. It’s not like she goes to a normal 9 to 5 job, comes home, cooks dinner, gets North ready for bed and THEN if there is any energy left do some cleaning. Really am tired of her whining (and let’s be honest, that is what it is). Rant over.
Going to the ob/gyn is a yearly nightmare for me. I really hate being in that type of uncomfortable position with someone poking my private parts with instruments, so I can’t imagine going through something like this. I am still hoping that someday I’ll have a child, but at this point I think I’m too chicken sh*t to have either a C-section or go through a vaginal birth.
If it helps I get no kicks from having to stare at privates.
I needed that laugh, FLORC. Thank you.
The daily drama of this pregnancy. Seems like every other day there’s some new dramatic element being burped out by her. Her thirst for attention must be through the roof, after all Kylie is stealing her thunder big time. Kim’s been dethroned and she knows it. What ever will she do after she finally gives birth? Just don’t believe anything she says at this point.
An article I read yesterday listed the top 100 selfies of the year. Kylie made the top 10, but Kim didn’t. (snicker) I think the article was on TMZ.
I’m so confused by her stories…
Did she not have a c section the first time around?
Vbac has its own set of risks and dangers, especially w larger, full term babies, not to mention ” high risk mothers” with multiple alleged issues.
I would be concerned about that procedure given the scar on her uterus from the first c section– if indeed she had one.
I had a c section first time and was “high risk” for a variety of reasons…and thus section #2 happened. Neither procedure would I call ideal but you know, I lived, I have two beautiful healthy kids and that is all that matters now.
All the signs pointed to a C-section with Nori but the K Klan claimed it was a vaginal delivery for some reason. Kanye allegedly was opposed to surgery at the time. Kim allegedly wanted a scheduled C-section. The Klan was uncharacteristically silent after Nori’s birth. The assumption was that Kanye demanded the silence, but maybe they were covering for more medical interventions (not just a C-section) such as plastic surgery in the hospital. Or maybe something really did happen that scared them. Kim likewise was uncharacteristically silent about the birth until this pregnancy, when she keeps dropping new, not exactly consistent or believable details periodically about what she allegedly went through with Nori. Kim seems to be talking more recently as though she had a prior C-section, but her stories shift so much it’s hard to keep up. From all the evidence I’ve seen, I think she did have a prior C-section.
But unless Kim had a scary first C-section and is keeping that to herself (can a Kardashian even do that?), I would assume she’s quite comfortable with surgery and medical procedures in general. She’s been having procedures done routinely since she was quite young. So I would assume that she hasn’t had a problem dealing with scarring before. Both surgery and vaginal delivery have their own risks, though, and she has the right to decide for herself which way to go, although it’s hard to believe any doctor would go along with vaginal delivery if even a fraction of her stories about her alleged medical issues are true. Just wish she would stop lying about everything or just keep everything private. But she gets too much attention for each new horror story and the media doesn’t seem to bother asking about the obvious inconsistencies. Hopefully all will go well despite her being a big pile of lies…
My two c-sections were a walk in the park, thank you very much. I thought she had the first one by c-section. I can’t for the life of me figure out why she’d want it vaginally. So for the rest of her life, she can pee her pants every time she laughs or sneezes? Yuck.
That doesn’t always happen. 4 kids here-and I don’t have that issue, thank god.
And I have an aunt who is child free who does have that issue. Its actually common among women after 40-50 even if they never had kids.
We just don’t talk about it or admit it even to Dr’s at times.
@Lizzieb Please educate yourself a little bit more before denigrating somebody for opting for vaginal birth. The risk of stress incontinence increases just from the act of being pregnant, so although you may have had 2 C-Sections, that’s not to say that you wont later on develop incontinence. I’m sure at that time you will not appreciate people snorting at you for suffering from something which sadly is far too common.
The thought of trying to look after my 2 year old while recovering from a c-section are enough to push me to this procedure, I’m 31 weeks and praying this one turns!
I’d like to avoid a c-section for the recovering alone, nothing to do with a scar.
I’m probably an outlier here but when I had a C-section it actually wasn’t too bad. I was up walking the next day and off the meds about a week later. I was one of the lucky ones. A C-section can be awful (and my scar is sort of epic), but it may not be so bad.
Hopefully she can avoid it, especially if they got the kid turned. I had a friend who had that done and it was horribly painful.
I don’t understand where the horrible pain comes in. Aren’t the doctors just manipulating the baby to turn it? I have visions of them gently nudging the baby into the proper position, not forcing it in. Why does it hurt so badly?
It’s not gentle nudging and baby is kicking and punching all over when it happens and for hours after until it is settled. Mine turned face up during delivery after being ready to go for a month. I had a whole hand up my whoo-ha for an hour getting her to flip to come out. I had an epi so I didn’t feel a thing but my husband fainted twice. Birth isn’t beautiful and gorgeous all the time.
Well – I mean, I’m sure you could say that my kidney stones gently nudge their way through my body too – but it doesn’t mean it doesn’t hurt like hell.
Another day another Kim Kardashian pregnancy story. She seems to have every pregnancy scare a woman can have.
I’m glad she’s speaking out. There are way too many c-sections happening in this country, and lots of women get pushed into them for reasons that aren’t medically necessary. Women deserve to know that there are options.
No, no sympathy. Because I don’t believe a word she says. She reads like Leann Rimes – someone pouring over WebMD and putting out doom and gloom stories to get attention.
Please stop. What about those of us that can NOT even get pregnant and have tried?! Those of us who have had those organs removed? I don’t have K money, so please stop shoving her ‘horrible’ pregnancy in our faces.
I am so sorry for you, I really am.
But if it upsets you so much, why read
About it inte first place?
Just ignore all of it.
Just saying. . .
Until you are there you don’t get it. So just sayin’ you have no idea how it feels.
MoochieMom –
But again – the headline even says what the post is about. I don’t think it’s out of the question to avoid the posts about vapid celebs having pregnancy problems if you don’t like them, and it bothers you.
And at the same time – having a horrible pregnancy doesn’t magically make someone undeserving of sympathy just because other people can’t get pregnant. They’re separate, terrible things to deal with. But one persons’ pain doesn’t completely negate anothers’.
Oh, I’m sorry that I was raised in science and medicine and that it interests me to read about the thousands of lies this family portrays as real to their followers.
me/mooch
Raised the same and as someone in this field you learn how to process them seperately. And how to avoid clicking on articles you know are only going to turn 1 way.
I’m here because I do enjoy these medical discussions. I also know it’s a K thread that is likely filled with lies, but also commentors only wishing to vent. There’s no true justification you came here and are not aware of the content.
Ugh, sorry I’m being an ass! They make me so mad though. I’m only human and can’t help but read it! AAAAHHHH! I read a couple of your comments, what is your occupation?
Well I will justify the hell out of it by what I said the last time. The lies she spews are disgusting and not appropriate to publish to people who may have the same difficulties as well.
Something isn’t adding up for me. It is usually recommended that high-risk patients with history of C Section deliver by Cesarean for subsequent pregnancies. While I understand her desire to avoid another C Section, I can’t imagine her doctors would recommend this.
Found this on Wetpaint.com: “Many a celeb opts for a C-section when the time comes to add a little more star power to the world, but not Kim Kardashian. Despite rumors the socialite would have to go under the knife for delivery, E! Online reports that Kim’s June 15 labor was au naturel!” So Kim did not have a c section with North although the article continues and says that Kim wanted to have a c section.
I still wonder if the real target for the stories is Kanye. If he’s pressuring against a C-section but she wants one, she might be trying to show him that she tried her best to avoid it but golly gee whiz, had to have one anyway. He must be quite the nightmare when he doesn’t have things his way. She also might be setting up to convince him that this has to be her last pregnancy, whether or not he’s satisfied with the unnamed heir she’s carrying. In a normal relationship, a simple “no” would be sufficient. But Kanye is nowhere near normal. We don’t know what she’s actually dealing with behind closed doors, but considering his public manic episodes- it probably isn’t fun.
She delivered naturally with North…there was no c-section.
As someone who has had two natural childbirths, I highly doubt it’s “more painful than childbirth”. Nothing against epidurals (I treated myself to one during my third delivery and it was a dream), but if you haven’t experienced a completely natural delivery (which Kim supposedly hasn’t) please STFU about “the pain of childbirth”. ::end rant::
Yeah Kim said she had ZERO pain during her delivery and that it was pretty “easy”. So how on earth does she know what the pain of childbirth feels like ????
The fact that she said it was “probably” more painful than childbirth is more evidence to me that Nori actually was delivered by C-section, despite claims of vaginal delivery. If Kim had actually had the natural birth experience, there would be no “probably” — either it was or it wasn’t. This is Kim, and she is quite capable of lying about such a simple thing as how her firstborn arrived for her own odd reasons. Don’t know why she would even think anybody cared, but is it possible that Kanye doesn’t know? Would they keep that from him because of his instability and strong objection to surgery? Could they keep it from him? They’re all so weird.
But he would have noticed her C-section scar don’t you think?
Would she be able to pass it off as something else, such as post- birth plastic surgery? Although he shouldn’t be too thrilled with that either… Or maybe he just never saw it. We don’t know how much time they actually spend together in ways where he would see it, and she would have a good excuse for not doing anything with him for quite a while. It depends on how clueless he might be also. If she is a fast healer with a lot of ways to accelerate healing while minimizing scars, that also figures into it.
I do think he might be a serious problem for Kim because of whatever is going on in his brain. If I’m right, she might feel the need to keep good control over what he knows and doesn’t know.
I think these tricks will very soon run out of things to share on their paid sites, so I think we will be hearing all kinds of crapola. Why does everything that happens to Kim seem like such a huge ordeal, when it’s not for us regular folk? She couldn’t sleep for worrying about a c section? Please…I had a c section and it’s not the big ordeal some make it out to be. Or wasn’t to me anyway. Oh, she was worried about the scar? Makes more sense for her. Everything with this pregnancy has been about her and not the baby she’s carrying!
I’ve never watched the show but have to admit I’ve come to kind of like her, and her pregnancy words had a lot do with that. I like that she swims against the typical happy pr baby bump watch stuff celebrities typically put out, where all of a sudden these ego maniacs become earth mothers. She’s unexpectedly honest about hating being preggers and I like that.
Yep three doctors 1 went in the 2 others held the rope.
Is it normal to need three doctors for the procedure? I suppose if it’s a rare procedure, they might be there for the experience. I hope they weren’t all inside her at once… Wait, that would be an internal version. So maybe they do need three people doing the external manipulations.
It’s not a rare procedure and I was wondering why 3 doctors. Can’t remember when they tried it with my daughter’s second child but think it was a doctor and nurse. Could be wrong. Also, maybe they had an anesthesiologist on stand by in case they had to do a emergency delivery.
This had me perk up. It’s not impossible to have 3 doctors and I don’t know the specifics. That said I wonder if it was less of 3 doctors all working at the same time and not input being given as needed. Or to have doctors come in and leave after a brief eval.
Swack
Having others on standby incase of being needed is common. I don’t doubt this could have been counted as a doctor.
I’ve only manually corrected a breeched baby a few times and was assisted all but 1 time. It’s not as easy as feeling something out and sliding it into place. When it happens there are movements the mother can do herself and you hope the baby will correct in time, but when it doesn’t i’m admittedly ready to call in anyone else.
Haha i get it! You’re saying she has a big you know what! 🙂
Just because the baby is not breech does not mean she won’t require a c-section! I don’t know why anyone would want to have one but you have to do what is safest for mom and child. With all her troubles I would be interested to see how it turns out. Im sure we’ll never know the truth.
ok… I know this is so mean and I’m sorry, but is it wrong that I just don’t care about her pregnancy or struggles with it? I’ve never been pregnant but I can sympathize and understand based on what I have heard and read how complicated and difficult it is/can be, but for some reason she is so off putting every time I read about what she is going through. I also think this round of baby, she is not getting as much attention as she did with North which is why she is flapping off ever chance she gets because no one cares as much. Just a thought.
The only people who are expected to care about her pregnancy are her family and close friends. There is no reason for any of us to really give a sh*t. LOL don’t feel bad !
And people who click and read do invest some time of their own so they might care. It may not be from a place of concern though. But no one clicks on these threads without knowing very well what they’ve done and will read. Let’s not delude ourselves this is a medical journal with someone who doesn’t overshare.
@ FLORC
I was just letting the commenter know that she shouldn’t feel “sorry” for not really caring about Kim’s pregnancy. The only ones who are EXPECTED to care are Kim’s family and close friends. Most people click on these threads due to boredom or to share their own experiences not because they are so worried for Kim.
Not mean at all. She’s not your friend or relative.
I just don’t understand why she would go through all of that just to avoid having a c-section. I had a c-section with my son and it was easy breezy. I dunno, guess she didn’t have the same experience….
I thought they usually induced right after the ECV to keep baby from turning again?
No snark on this at all. That does not sound pleasant. Hope all goes well.
Two held the rope- hah hah brahah!! Oh Kim, let’s name him Drama West.
I too hope all goes well.
Despite everything.
Yes, it’s not over ’til it’s over. Even if she’s lying and overdramatizing now, things can still go quite wrong.
I have to jump in here-my daughter is 8, and my ob offered me a version at 37 weeks since she was breech and hadn’t turned on her own. I had to wait until the 37th week, because I was told there was a real possibility she could be born that day. My dr was a small woman and told me she didn’t have the strength to do it herself, so I presented at the hospital at 6am and met a colleague of hers, who was a HUGE man and it was exactly like Kim describes. My husband and I brought my bag and put the family on alert for the day. They did offer me pain meds, and said some women want them and some don’t. Dr Barsoom did tell me it would be painful but honestly, I thought I could handle it. I was wrong! I remember tears rolling down my face, it hurt so badly. They had me hooked up to a bunch of monitors so they could see the baby, and he literally just put both hands on my stomach and pushed and pushed until she was head down. It took about an hour to get her into place, and he would offer me breaks of a minute of two because I would actually cry and yell out, it hurt so bad. They monitored me for an hour and then came in and said her heart rate was trending down and they wanted to deliver her that day. I got some Pitocin and was admitted right then, she was born about 6pm that evening. She had the cord wrapped around her neck three times when she was delivered, but she was ok. She was my third baby, dr said if it had been the first or even the second she might not try it but at my third, my uterus had some room. For everyone saying they don’t believe that this procedure is real or that it is really that painful, let me tell you, it is. This is in Nebraska, the Midwest; I’m not any celebrity or rich personality and I’m not in LA. I was told this was a common procedure for women who want to avoid c sections and meet criteria (like it not being the first child). If Dr Barsoom had been unable to turn Lily around I would have been looking at a C-section also, and I’m glad I didn’t end up having to get one. Carry on, just wanted to share my own personal experience. 🙂
Wow, that sounds horrible! Poor thing
That sounds awful, Melissa! I just had my 20 week ultrasound, and our little boy was having none of it! I had my stomach jabbed and prodded, in an effort to get him to move. This went on for an hour before the tech got all of the anatomy pics she needed. He even yawned during the procedure, like we were boring him with the incessant prodding. I was near tears when I left. I can’t even imagine going through a manual inversion!
I’ve had a terrifying pregnancy, and actually appreciate Kim’s frank distate for being pregnant. I’m hoping that I cruise through the rest of it, but I feel like I’m walking on eggshells. Once I started talking about my complications, people came out of the woodwork to share their own pregnancy horror stories. It was a refreshing change from the usual beating of the “pregnancy is a wonderful experience” drum.
Thank you, Melissa, for explaining that the doctor pushed on your stomach. I had visions of doctors putting their hands up inside Kim to turn the baby.
“probably more painful than childbirth” hahaha, just you wait and see, Kim. Hee.
I went from a 2 to a 9 in 45 minutes after my doctor said I wasn’t in labor 48 hours earlier – I actually was. It took four tries to get my epi right. I can’t say the words I said to the doctor and nurses each time they hit a nerve – and I still have back pain from that. She can shut it about child birth. I had NO HELP because my husband started a new job right after her birth and my kid is fine. I want her to shut up.
Sorry to hear about your experience with an epideral. Mine all went wonderfully – thank goodness because it scared the heck out of me the first time to have the needle near my spine. Your story sounds like my 2nd child’s delivery. I woke up in the morning and felt a surge downward, 15 minutes later broke water and headed to the hospital (only mild cramps once the water broke). I was 7 cm when I got to the hospital. So I believe that they didn’t think you were in labor because I slept through the night in labor.
I went from 1 cm dilated to fully dilated of a sudden, within minutes, after 72 hours of labour with my first son, and 21 hours of labour with my second. Did you throw up from the quick dilating? I did. That’s how I knew I was going to give birth right away the second time!
Mooch
That’s pretty awful, but she’s not talking. And she’s not forcing you to read. All these complaints from people who by their free will absorb her information and then complain about having absorbed it. Is the concept of free will not understood? Or do people just like to have something to complain about? I think it’s that. People just like to complain.
And I hope an investigation was launched into what went wrong and to help with your continued backpain.
Sounds like a bad joke – How many doctors does it take to turn KimK’s baby around? So, my question is, were all three doctor’s in there turning the baby at the same time?
And, please stop with the pics of her in that awful thing called a dress where she’s holding her crotch lace in every picture. I mean, I’m glad she held it up cause obviously it was ill-fitting and falling down and I sure don’t want to see what’s behind that black lace swatch. Egads!!!
Do you live under a rock? We have all seen what’s underneath whether we wanted to or not !
But you can avoid it! Without the rock! Just don’t click on the threads! Maybe this is not a simple concept..
@ FLORC
Ok really enough with replying to so many comments trying to start something. Actually I never wanted to see Kim naked or half naked, but so many blogs posted pics of her ass without warning or saying to “click a link”. So yeah it was hard to avoid seeing her naked. You’d literally have to live under a rock to have not see Kim’s ass exposed at least once.
Why does Kim still keep trying to act as if she doesn’t have a handful of nannies to take care of North? We have seen the pics Kim ! I don’t think Kim is ever alone with her daughter. Even Kourtney has nannies. Either way, North is always with nannies no matter where she is.
Pk that’s kinda mean. I would be creepd out if my doctor wanted to stare at privates all day.
Meh. I don’t believe anything the Kardassian’s claim.
Reading “Kardassian’s” was in Joel’s voice from the Soup. I hope that was your intent as it gave me a laugh 😀
I realize that every woman is different and every pregnancy is different, but I’m confused by something. When I was almost eight months pregnant, my doctor said the baby was breech. I slightly freaked since I didn’t want a c-section, but he told me I had nothing to worry about because babies often turn on their own the closer it gets to the delivery date (which mine did). He said he’d had patients whose babies turned the day before they were due to deliver, and that most doctors will avoid manually turning a baby in utero unless it’s absolutely necessary.
So why did Kim K need to have this done now, especially when she’s (allegedly) not due until the end of the month? It seems she had plenty of time to see if the baby would turn on his own.
Same question that I asked, up top and not even being sarcastic about it but sincerely not knowing.
My best friend’s son was breech. Her doctor made 2 attempts to turn him within weeks of her due date with no luck. He never turned on his own either so she wound up having c-section. As the best friend I was privy to all the fun details of her experience. I’m currently pregnant with my second and really really hope I don’t have to go through that!
@smcollins – even though my baby turned on his own, I still had to have an emergency c-section three weeks early. I didn’t have to go through the experience of having to have the baby turned, but I will say my c-section was not *nearly* as terrible as everyone told me it would be, and I’m kind of a wimp. 🙂 Good luck with your second – I’m sure everything will be just fine!
The reason is exactly as you said, each woman and each pregnancy is different and there are certain factors that would suggest that your baby is more likely to turn on its own. For example; the size of the baby, the position of the placenta, the size of your womb, the amount of amniotic fluid all influence how easily your baby is likely to turn spontaneously. Your doctor may have reviewed your scans and investigations, and felt the chances of your baby turning was more favourable, hence not offering ECV and Kim’s doctor likely thought the opposite.
That’s true @rosyb. I had a big baby (he was 8.4 lbs, three weeks early), and a few high-risk factors, and my doctor still told me not to worry about his position. I suppose it’s entirely possible that KK’s telling the truth and it was medically necessary, but she lies so much that I automatically assume whatever comes out of her mouth is simply for attention.
Maybe it’s a cultural thing, but here in Denmark it’s pretty standard to attempt to turn breech babies. I don’t understand why Kim K gets so much hate for wanting to avoid a c-section, at least around here we believe that vaginal births are much better for mom as well as baby (not to mention costs, which is probably not an issue in the same sense in the states). Besides, c-sections are major surgery, the baby is not protected as well against allergies, and the hormonal consequences can have an impact on breast feeding etc.
Well, a knowledgeable doctor can compensate for that. They do a vaginal swab and put it in the baby’s mouth (gross. But, you know, microbiome).
I don’t believe her. Her last baby was a csection maybe two years ago? Three? Would a doctor even do an external version on a woman with a previous csection, for fear the scar would rupture? I was told not when I was pregnant with my second after my first ended in a cesarean.
I was breach (I’m 39), and the story I heard is that they sort of pushed me back up and turned me around when my mom was in labor. They used forceps and I had little marks on my head when I was born that my mother worried would cause brain damage. Is that like an old-timey way to do it? I’ve never heard of this manual way to do it, sounds harrowing!
This happened to my other grandmother when she was born. Def old-timey. She had brain damage too.
My grandmother had this done with no pain meds in the middle of labor and she never recovered. One and done, back in an era when no one was one and done.
My grandmother had this done with no pain meds in the middle of labor and she never recovered. One and done, back in an era when no one was one and done. No pushing on stomach. It was an arm to the uterus.
I don’t mind her at all. Do I look up to her? No. I do find her non-threatening to society, though, she just doesn’t bother me. I also relate to her painful pregnancies.
My baby was breech and I had an external version at 37 weeks. I was scared to death of it but it took one doctor about 1 minute to turn her. Not painful but it felt weird. Baby stayed head down and I delivered vaginally after being induced. The version was the least of my worries. The birth was tough and I felt everything even though I had an epidural. I swelled up like a balloon and I retained so much water that I had elephant legs. I’m sure we’ll hear more about the birth after she delivers.
As somebody in the medical profession and who doesn’t care one way or another about this family, I am surprised at all the suspicion and outrage regarding her pregnancies.
From what I can gather people do not believe that she had pre-eclampsia, although she showed significant signs of oedema throughout her pregnancy (a fact that was sadly used to insult her), people are 100% convinced she has had a previous C-section, but from the amount of times this lady has been naked, I would assume that there would be a picture of said scar. They assume that no doctor would ever have offered her VBAC which confuses me as maybe it is different in America, but in Europe, there has been a real push to offer VBAC to women unless they have significant medical contraindications. In addition, her description of ECV (which is also commonly offered in the UK to breech babies – am not sure if this differs with the States), is a pretty accurate description of what happens. Unfortunately, there are women for whom pregnancy is not an easy ride and complication after complication can occur – she appears to be one of the unlucky ones.
As someone who is already saddened by the way mothers, and pregnant women are treated by our male-dominated society, it is sad to see this being perpetuated by women all over this board, even if the woman in this case, is just a Kardashian.