This (manufactured) drama with Kim Kardashian has really taken on a life of its own, huh? What I still don’t understand is why people/celebrities still feel the need to chime in? Kim Kardashian likes to post nude photos, and why not? Why does everyone care about that so deeply? Why are so many people hellbent on body-policing other women? That’s my take on it – Kim can do whatever she wants with her body and it’s none of my business. Pink can do whatever she wants with her body and it’s none of my business. No one, no celebrity or celebrity-watcher should get in the habit of saying “this woman can’t do this, that or the other with her own body.”
You know who agrees with me? Amber Rose. I never thought we would come to the point where I agree more with Amber Rose than Pink, but here we are. Amber reposted Pink’s statement and then wrote this on her Instagram:
Damn Pink we were all born naked society sexualizes our breast and bodies. If a grown mother of 2 is comfortable with her body and wants to show it off that’s none of ur business or anyone else’s. Now, if u wanna talk to kids and be a mentor to young teens, tell them to go to school and to not use their bodies to get ahead?! I’m all for it! But please as a grown woman let another grown woman live as she wishes. That’s our problem! We’re so quick to down each other instead of uplifting! Pink, We’ve seen u damn near naked swinging from a rope( Beautifully) but what’s the difference between a rope, a pole and a pic on Instagram? Classism. Because u sing while ur half naked does that make it “Classy” or is it because u have a “talent”? I’m not dissing at all Pink just curious after u said “You’ll never have to make a silly excuse for yourself”.
I mean… word. She’s absolutely right. And I absolutely need this on a t-shirt: “But please as a grown woman let another grown woman live as she wishes.” Anyway, after that, Amber Rose re-posted one of Kim Kardashian’s nude photos and addressed the next comment to Kim directly:
And @kimkardashian I don’t know u well but I saw u speak about slut shaming and as u know I’m an activist feminist so it spoke to me. Being Slut shamed and ridiculed is not fun it’s hurtful and mean. Us women deal with it everyday and I’m happy u can speak openly on this now because if anyone knows what it’s like to be Slut Shamed it’s u! Live it Kim! Make a difference and speak on it! Not only when it’s convenient for u but when u can help others. Last year at my Slutwalk I told my Slut shaming story. This year I would love for u to come and tell urs. This is an open invite from me to u and ur sisters are welcomed too 😊 Let’s let the naysayers know u are so much more then a sex tape (13 years ago) f–k it own it. Ur a mom and a business woman, a wife, sister and daughter. Hope we can make this happen #AmberRoseSlutWalk2016
Even though I just read the word “slut” like fifty times, I feel like this is classy for Amber. As in, this is a classy move. Amber and Kim are sort of friendly these days, after they hashed out their differences/drama last month during Kanye’s Twitter drama. Still, they don’t know each other that well, and I think it’s classy of Amber to step up and defend a woman she barely knows and has every reason to dislike.
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How is it classism when P!nk and Kim are in the same income tax bracket…. or am i misreading/misunderstanding Amber’s point?
Like i said in yesterday’s post, i’ll take Kim seriously when she starts standing up for other women slut-shamed by her own husband.
I think that’s exactly what’s bothering me. Kim is trying to come out as a huge feminist and woman supporter, yet her husband is exceptionally sexist and she said NOTHING when he went off on Amber, who is no, ironically enough, her biggest defender.
Amber has consistently defended Kim, even throughout the whole Tyga debacle when it was first revealed that he was dating Kylie. Remember the awful, nasty things Khloe and Jonathan Cheban said about Amber? Again – dead silence on Kim’s part but talk shite about her 234782672th nude picture and it’s like, *kim voice* i’m empowered by my sexuality, you know?
Agree with everyone saying the same thing here. Kim’s point is invalid seeing as how she does NOTHING to stand up for other women, but suddenly wants to flip the script and act like she’s empowering women or herself by posting naked pictures.
This is not a woman who has ever stood up for other women. She has stayed silent as her husband has claimed Taylor Swift was cool with lyrics about him having sex with her. She stayed silent when her husband said he needed to take 30 showers before Kim would touch him. She was silent when Khloe tried to call out Amber for being a stripper and when Jonathan went after basically every female who has ever said a word to or about her.
Sorry, but I don’t wanna hear about her feminism because it’s BULLSHIT. She isn’t trying to empower anything. She is desperately trying to stay relevant because her little sisters are increasingly becoming more popular than she is.
GREAT point about Kim not defending the women that Kanye slut shames (like Amber).
As far as the classism, even among the wealthy there are “divisions” you could say. Kind of like new money vs old money. Kim is looked upon as tacky because of how she earned her money, I think that’s the point that Amber is making. Maybe. haha
Okay, i see what you mean, and i think you might be right. I guess, to that, i’d say i would respect Kim more if she just owned the sex tape thing like how Amber owns that she had to strip at one point in her life to support herself.
Repeating my comment yesterday but like i said, the crux of all these messages is so true. I think the line between empowerment and manipulation/exploitation is so fine, especially nowadays when women are really (re)claiming their sexualities and making it known that we won’t be shamed for it anymore. I agree that women shouldn’t be shamed for their bodies and we should be able to feel empowered and show that empowerment in whatever form – whether it’s posting a “provocative” picture or covering up. But the message falls flat to me coming from a family of women who know absolutely nothing but selling sex. That’s about the only message they have right, i mean look at Kylie?
Kim isn’t new money! Kim spent her life with an extreme amount of wealth, if anyone is new money in this situation it’s Pink. Kim grew up the daughter of a highly successful and respected Beverly Hills lawyer. how she got famous was trashy but sorry she is from money this is just Amber trying to make something out of nothing.
She IS tacky. This argument is like free speech. Yes you have the right to say racist stuff, but that doesn’t mean you’re not an a-hole. Yes, you have the right to post naked selfies, but that doesn’t mean you’re not tacky.
Kim is the definition of nouveau riche. Not to mention, her dad having money doesn’t make her “old money”.
I think she was calling Pink (and people in general) out on the tone and message about how women ‘should’ be able to use their bodies for financial gain. Pink uses her body to promote her identity as a strong woman in her concerts, so thinking Pink is inspiring when she uses ropes and silks in her shows as art, when people like Amber get shamed for the same acts using a pole, and Kim gets blasted for using hers for financial gain.. Strippers are stereotyped as the under-educated, poor trashy girls, and there is no excuse for Kim.
I read it as pointing out the hypocrisy of how women use their body for business , which is class related. (My personal opinion is that I love seeing any body used athletically, even for art. It’s inspiring to see the strength and movement. I don’t care to see naked Kims, so I don’t look).
I don’t feel I am being articulate, but I hope so!
@tegteg The way she made her money isn’t “looked down upon” as worthy of derision because of it making her out to be a “slut” and so as a class thing. It’s laughed at because she has a major talent/entertainment value/intelligence deficit and she got famous because she SUCCESSFULLY MARKETED AND PACKAGED VOLUNTARY STUPIDITY and got very rich from encouraging people to act like cretins on instagram.
Compare art that showcases the female body in all sizes, et cetera, and compare KIm’s idiotic selfies. There’s a HUGE difference. She doesn’t get to raise these inane excuses.
I think she’s referring to class in the behavioural sense as opposed to financial.
That’s pretty funny.
But that’s not what classism means! Not yelling at you for it, i think you might be right, but yeah – that’s not what classism means!
I agree– total wrong context of the word, yet, fitting. Perhaps Amber was going for “elitist”, I don’t know. I do agree with Pink though! Maybe I am old fashioned, but putting everything out there is just not what I see as a strong or intelligent or capable thing that a woman does — let’s not be disingenuous, that “empowerment” is facilitated, validated and therefore dependent, on the male gaze and titillation: once again handing power to men bc beauty or any level of sexiness is a depreciating factor. The feminist argument these days is just mind boggling for me.
“classicism” refers to a traditional style of art. (ancient Greek, Rome)
Amber seems to be using it as “this is classy but that is not classy.”
I think you misread! She said “classism,” not “classicism.” Classism is prejudice against people of certain social classes.
And she would still be misusing it.
Nah, I’m pretty sure she was referring to the artwork.
Its absurd to use class in the debate about a kardashian. Kim has always been part of the upper classes, can’t say the same about Pink who had to work to get to that kind of level.
Word.
It’s classism because of the people their brands are aimed at, not because of how much money they both make or where they were born. Amber is speaking from her perspective on the world Kim and Amber inhabit now, since she is certainly not trying to appeal to a Madison Square Garden-sized arena of mainly white fans that can afford tickets. Kim doesn’t ask her fans to pay much more than .99 cents to play her game or whatever she charges per month for the subscription. Her money comes from advertising to a lower class, age group, income range, etc. (which is why their brand is in Kmart – a place they would never shop). But that’s not even really the point. You can be classist without occupying the class you defend: Pink believes that there’s more value to taking off your clothes for what she does but she’s not attacked because what she does is considered higher-brow and worth more artistically and that belief likely comes from class…even if those holding that belief are technically from low classes.
Please do not use white vs black in reference to kardashians. And Kim as a class warrior? Lol just stop.
As a poc working class woman you have insulted my intelligence.
Again Kim is a feminist when its ABOUT HER. Not because she believes in the cause. Get real
So nobody else sees this less as Amber repping for an aggrieved woman and more as an attention-grab for her Slut Walk? Only me? Okay, I’ll see myself out …
Walk yourself right back on in Santia. I honestly believe these women loathe each other. Amber is attaching herself to the wagon solely for as you say, the attention grab. Next week she’ll be tweet warring with someone else….as Kris Jenner frantically is trying to get Kim on every network asap to show what a sweet lovely Mrs I Don’t Need Clothes, I Am Woman, Hear Me Roar West…is. Don’t you know, we’re all jealous…..that’s the standard line of the shallow minded and dimwitted.
@Nancy – 🙂
I actually don’t think so. I recently listened to Amber’s interview on the Guys We F^cked Podcast, and she seems sincere and educated about her cause. It did not reek of fame seeking or anything like that.
When did Amber and Kim become besties. Slander the hell out of each other a couple of weeks ago and now they’re besties. Kim took the pic of them together to try to silence the butt tweet and show us what a forgiving gal she is….lol. BTW, Amber can’t stand in Pink’s shadow, literally and figurately. Kim’s digging her hole deeper and deeper and I love it. Obscurity is waiting right around the corner.
This is a really question. I genuinely want to know. Yesterday, people were really passionate on both sides of the feminism debate: some say exposing your body/being exhibitionist/etc is feminist, some say it is anti-feminist. Ok well if even Amber Rose agrees that Pink is right if she is using her platform to tell you g girls NOT to use their bodies to get ahead…..ok so it’s NOT “good” or it IS “good?” If it’s good and you come down on that side, why NOT tell young girls to do it, too? This is a real question. I’ve never taken a women’s studies class and I do not know what my opinion is. But it seems like if you want young women to be told not to, then deep down you *dont* think it’s all that great/pro-feminist. I don’t know.
I’m not entirely sure I think it’s a feminist or not issue. I think it’s an individual issue and one that is decided by society at large in terms of what we find acceptable to wear/show at certain occasions. And sometimes that’s going to break down more by regional, religious, cultural and maybe class lines so I don’t think ALL women have to agree on it. Personally speaking I don’t think people like KK are selling nudity as empowerment. I think they are selling nudity simply as sex and that’s why she’s using an old supremely photoshopped image. And personally I want better for young girls and women in general because I do think historically and even today many men have defined us and given us worth only in looks. I’m not going to respond to her nonsense on Twitter but I’m also going to be really skeptical when she claims feminism every time she gets flak for her hyper sexualized images.
People are complicating this. Claissism does extend to intellectual arrogance. Pink has used nudity in a creative sense to push her own career. Kim has also used nudity to push her career, in a far less creative sense, but y’know, simplified, there it is.
Frankly, no woman should tell another woman what to do with her body. Essentially, Pink’s message of use more than your sexuality to get head is a noble one especially for young girls growing up in a generation of social media. Kim’s ownership of her sexuality to further her exposure thus her career can also be argued as a type of feminism. Like it or not the Kardashians (and I’m not a sympathiser) like Paris Hilton before them have built empires on the backs of owning their sexual exposure. They turned mortifying sexual exposure (debatable on how ‘unintentional’ it was) into multi million dollar businesses… is it the uglier side of feminism? For sure. Yes. But, personally, I liken this to the take back of the N-word amongst rappers. This shit happens, you will be discriminated for it, but you also have the opportunity to own it and even develop a career from it… which would you, anyone reading this, choose? Slink away in shame forever or continue to flog your over exposure into a career? I know what I’d choose, frankly, and it isn’t the noble answer.
There is so much that is unlikable about the Kardashians so they really aren’t a good vehicle to push this argument. Everything from their sunglasses to their stupid baby voices grates on me. BUT… BUT what right do any of us have to shame another female for her use of her body? If you don’t like it, don’t do it yourself. But don’t tell anyone else they can’t do it either. That’s the antithesis of not just feminism but open-mindedness.
No one replied to this because your argument made too much sense and didn’t have enough Kardashian hate. This is incredibly well thought out. I wish it could be the tone of this discussion rather than rehashing why we hate the Kardashians for the billionth time.
“BUT what right do any of us have to shame another female for her use of her body? If you don’t like it, don’t do it yourself. But don’t tell anyone else they can’t do it either.”
Yes, i totally agree with this. I also agree with Amber’s words in support of her. In yesterday’s post on Kim’s essay, i even said that i agree with all the points she made about owning her body and owning her sexuality. I’m just saying the message is odd coming from someone whose husband and sisters consistently shame other women for their own sexual choices too. Not once did she speak up for Amber when Khloe, Jonathan Cheban, Kanye talked about what a “dirty” woman Amber is for her past. Or when Kanye talked about wanting to have sex with Taylor Swift. So despite the truth to all of what’s been said, i still think Kim’s empowerment and wanting to empower others is a load of horsesh-t.
Miffy and tifzlan – you both nailed it. I don’t think there’s anything to add!
I think she’s confusing classism with elitism? Pink views her status as more significant as an artist and therefore her nudity is more respectable. While a reality star poses, attends events, and talks to the camera and therefore her nudity is desperate and tacky.
Class, not wealth
The point is that P!nk’s semi-nude performances are labelled as highclass “art” and empowerment, whereas when a stripper performs on a pole, her performance is low class and “slutty”.
No it’s not classy. Sorry I disagree. This is the problem. Everyone here is thinking that everyone has a problem with a female nude selfie. No the problem everyone has is that it’s coming from Kim K. She’s done this so many times to the point where it’s like when does it end. And then to piss everyone off even further she went and hid behind this idea of feminism. Like no. You didn’t post the picture for self-empowerment. You posted the picture to get attention because it’s literally the ONLY way you know how to get attention. When other celebs like Pink or Miley do it, no one bats an eye because 1) they don’t do it constantly and 2) If they didn’t post or pose naked they’d still be relevant. I hate how suddenly this has turned into slut-shaming and body-shaming and all this feminism BS. No we are all Kim K shaming because we are done with her egotistical and hypocritical self. As for Amber Rose…the woman has to stay relevant somehow.
Miley would still be “relevant” if she hadn’t swung naked on a wrecking ball or twerked in her underwear?
“I take my clothes off, look at me, I’m whacky!” is entirely a plan by Miley Cyrus to remain relevant. It doesn’t make her a bad person but her acting is mediocre and while she actually has a great singing voice we wouldn’t still be talking about her if she hadn’t brought the naked crazy to the table.
Miley Cyrus was Hannah Montana and was in that movie with Liam Hemsworth that was very successful. Yes she absolutely would have still been relevant. She would be like Selena Gomez. Instead she went the other route and decided to swing from a wrecking ball naked.
All this.
I never liked Amber but defended her comment to Kanye because she was completely in the right there.
She is, however, very wrong here. Here is the way I look at it: there is nothing wrong with wearing skimpy clothes or being nude around the house every day or having consensual sex with random unattached adults if that’s your thing. Choosing to talk about it in a public forum may be tasteless, but is still perfectly fine to do if that’s your choice even if I can’t see a good reason for ever doing that.
BUT when monetary considerations enter the transaction (you’re a stripper, or a hooker, or a “girlfriend for money”) and that is your sole reason for existence and claim to fame, it is not empowerment. It is not feminism. It is not a good example for anyone. Are there shades in there? Of course. If you are forced into stripping or prostitution then you are a victim. If you choose to do it because it is easy money and can’t be bothered to do something better with your life, you perpetuate the idea that as a woman, your only value is in your being a sex object.
Are you a cancer survivor and getting photographed nude? That is empowerment. Are you a a victim of abuse or rape and feel that posing nude is empowering you? Go ahead. Posting two year old photos of your surgically altered, Photoshopped bits for the millionth time, and that is all you ever do – look “sexy” (or try) – in a quest for fame and cash is gross. Pretending that by doing so you are carrying the feminist torch is laughable.
I also disagree with the idea that criticizing another woman makes you mean, or anti-feminist. If you put photos out there of your own volition for the world to see, it means that you want the attention that comes with it, good or bad. If you can take the admiration, you need to be prepared for some people to criticize as well.
The funny thing is that KK supported her latest nudie self with the “counting my money” comment. We all know how she got her money. How she got her show. How all the rest of her family is doing it. Unlike Pink or Madonna or any other performer who performs – and chooses a sexy image to do so, that is all she has. Her being pictured with her naked butt in the air is what I dislike, whether it’s for the first or millionth time.
I hear the argument that it’s her body and she can do as she pleases. Of course, you are right. I am also right in stating that I find it deplorable.
Amen!
Slow clap. These are my feelings to. A. T.
Yep. But I also think it’s a good discussion to have and important to note that while women may not agree on everything we should still be in agreement that we ARE equal in the same way all men are. And frankly to me that means being able to disagree with and criticize other women for their choices. It does not mean telling another woman she is worth less than you though. Frankly, I don’t think that is what Pink was doing as you can see from my comments yesterday.
Vauvert-YES!!!
Perfectly stated.
Thank you Vauvert. I was trying to come up with the words and you did it for me. More articulate than I could have. Thank you!!!!
@Vauvert: Kim Kardashian aside, Why does a woman need to be a cancer patient or a rape victim (or the other argument that people use, that she has to be considered ‘fat’ or ‘not conventionally beautiful’) in order to ‘earn’ her right to express the fact that she finds liberation in being able to publicly reject modesty? Fat, thin, average, sick, healthy, an abuse victim, or not- almost all women seem to be born and raised in a world that blames and shames them for ‘not saving their bodies for a serious, private relationship’ (whether it’s about appearances or sex). And the sentiment of “I don’t care if women dress immodestly in private and have sex, just don’t pose nude or wear revealing clothes in public, pose nude, or profit off of nudity and sexuality in any way, or else shame shame shame” is still basically ‘save it for a private relationship.’
Well said, Vauvert.
@vauvert – so well said.
@Otaku fairy I don’t think it’s anti-feminism to be a woman who would prefer women don’t straight up sell sex. I’m guessing Vauvert also doesn’t want men to be whipping out their stuff on a regular basis in a public forum. And you know what? They don’t unless they are actively working in a sex field. And for me that’s where I find women like Kim problematic. I don’t view it as empowerment to keep feeding the idea that a woman’s sexuality is her only worth. That’s what men have been saying for centuries. And I am allowed to disagree with her on that and it does nothing to detract from feminism that I think she’s full of it and only cries feminism when she gets criticism. Just like Taylor Swift.
+1
aldos. why would Pink have to go to schools to lecture children? She has every right to state her opinion of FB, and I much rather see her opinions and even her almost naked self while hanging on a trapeze and singing a beautiful song, than to look at any K’shian Pinocchio butt.
“society sexualizes our bodies” … and you choose to profit from it.
Get it, Amber, I like her, She has overcame certain things, she has improved from what she used to be/work as, even if by dating slimy K West. While I see her, I see the K-Klan. They have done the opposite.
They were new rich through their father, and instead of improving themselves, they chose a life that it was a path for girls of no means. They decided to become instagram models who date misogynistic (Kanye) or shady men (Tyga), instead of taking advantage of their wealth and get an education (the horror!).
I think they used to do some charities, I do not see them doing anything positive for society lately. Posing for naked selfies is a pathetic path of life.
One thing is to have filmed a sex video years ago, but she sold it and it will be out there for ages and she is profiting (KK). The problem to me with her, is that she has not improved an inch. Where is her value, how has she bettered herself in these 13 years? she has become a more shameless famewhore, she married for ratings, shames other women in the same career path as her, uses fur, is an hypocrite, etc.
Amber even defends her when they attack her. Nice, but I am not buying it. I hope Amber gets her kid to do something valuable in life. If she had a girl, I wish she would not groom her to take the same path her , Kim and Blac Chyna live off.
As Chloe Grace Moretz said, “women have to offer much more than just their bodies.”
I understand they live off selling their bodies through pictures, but this becoming mainstream, to me is scary. Girls look up to that, girls who aspire to do the same. Families have a huge responsibility, but this shallowness is what is popular in social media. It is very sad, that the ones posting do not have a care about it, IMO.
You better PREACH!
@Otaka fairy I don’t think she meant earn the right to pose nude. She states that sure you can do whatever you want, but others have the right to have an opinion. All nudes are not equal either. Nudity it art, porn, or selfies are all different and people have varying opinions.
I do have an idea though, since this is so bugging Kim, next time she posts a nude selfie, let’s not look and comment or if you must comment #nocomment. I mean if it is this bad maybe we should let the legend have a break from it all.
Absolutely one hundred percent correct. Great post and worth the read.
@vauvert eloquently stated. Wish everyone could read this post
vauvert….said perfectly. Thank you.
Exactly! What is #liberating about posting a heavily photoshopped 2 year old photo? Why not start posting real shots of her body and document the process of getting it back? Kim can post whatever she wants, but misleading and manufacturing what she does to achieve the look serves no purpose but her own.
Vauvert, finally, the voice of reason. This debate is maddening to me. I could write ten paragraphs but I will try to be succinct.
Amber used to seem authentic to me. Her words could be harsh, but they felt real. Now, a mere month after #fingersinthebooty-gate, she is staunchly defending a woman she once seemed to despise. How much was that check from the Koven, Amber? I hope it was worth selling your soul.
I saw way too many fingers pointing at Pink yesterday for previously posing nude, or wearing skimpy costumes in her stage show. AND?? My question is this: what’s the first thing you think of when Pink comes to mind? Is it her physical body, naked or otherwise? Doubtful. And that was her point. We as women can be lots of things, all at once. But when our “value” to the planet seems hinged on tits and ass 24/7, I see a complete disconnect. That so many people can’t see the difference makes my brain hurt.
Excellent comment @vauvert. Completely agree.
YES!
Miley got a lot of flack with all her nude photos for publicity sake.
Yes Sam, this ^^^^ you nailed it.
THANK YOU. Drop the mic
I mostly agree with Sam because I think Kim does this for attention and not feminist empowerment. However, I disagree about Miley. I don’t think her motivation to post Internet nudes is all that different than Kim’s
Good posts Sam and Vauvert.
This was never “women shouldn’t pose nude!” it was always “Ugh, Kim K is at it again” because people are sick of her.
And Pink never said women shouldn’t pose nude either, just that a person should have more to offer, and that you might not have the fame and fortune, but that’s OK, there are more important things in life.
“You posted the picture to get attention because it’s literally the ONLY way you know how to get attention.”
My theory is she posted it to pull attention away from all the negative Kanye/divorce press they have been getting the past few weeks. And guess what? It worked. What is everyone talking about? Kanye’s Kraziness or Kim’s nakedness?
I really dislike the entire family but I have to give them credit where it’s due – they are true masters at manipulating the media.
THIS!! It’s all about intentions. Kim K did not post that selfie to further the feminist movement or to celebrate international women’s day…she did it only for attention. I could post nudes of my body too, but I don’t because I don’t need or desire that kind of attention. Kim does because she’s a narcissist and probably has a very low self esteem. She can do whatever she wants with her body and post pictures/videos of it all day long, but DON’T lie and say it’s to help other women LOL
I feel like yeah, grown women can do what they want with their bodies, but aren’t Kim and Amber the ones sexualizing themselves? I am a huge Amber supporter, but this confused me. If Kim had posted a pic of her just existing naked, I would get it. But she posted a pic sexualizing her naked body. I know she’s allowed to, it’s her body and her choice, I’m just confused, I guess.
And for the record, I am not a Kardashian fan so maybe that’s skewing my perspective…
I’m reading Amy Poehler’s book and she says “Good for her, not me” and says that women everywhere need to say this to themselves, all the time. And she’s right. I couldn’t do what Kim has done to become/stay famous. I could have that money though- I sure would be fine with that! Good for her! not for me! The same goes for child birth/rearing, family choices, money management. If somebody is doing something because they want to and it’s something you wouldn’t do- Good for her, not me.
She had my support for a split second. There was nothing empowering about Kim’s nude sellfy and I’m sick to death of her using “empowerment” and “women’s rights” to justify her stupid arse need for attention. She has been manipulated by a system much bigger and much more savvy than her, and guess what? Yep, in the end she took her own clothes off and declared that it was all her idea. Whatever, your clothes are off and that’s how money is made off you and how men who run the industry want to see you. Stupid, stupid, stupid moron.
Sorry Crowdhood, my post wasn’t intended as a response to yours. I clicked submit, but it was still up when I clicked to reply. My computer hates me. LOL!
Crowdhood: That was honestly a profound statement, “Good for her, not me”…I’m definitely using that and spreading that message!!
It’s like on Sex and the City when Carrie caught Samantha “blowing the world wide express guy” in her office, and in the end Carrie was apologizes for “judging her just a little bit” but really does admire her ability to put it all out there. As in, it’s not her style, but good for her anyway…so much truth.
Yes, I really like that “Good for her, not me”. Each should be able to make their own choices.
I love that phrase, it could become my mantra. Along with “sh*t just happens”. 😀
My only issue with Kim K. is that as a grown woman, I can look at her and the lifestyle she sells and say “Good for her, not me.” but a LOT of her fans are not grown women. And as a teenager or very young woman, it is so hard to find your own way and not be distracted by the ideas the Kardashians are selling. Because this social media culture multiplies all of that. How do you not get wrapped up in it? It took me well into my 20s to develop a sense of who I am and how I want to live my life, what’s important and what’s not. What KK is selling is not important to me but if I had been bombarded with this sh*t at 15, good god. Who knows how I would’ve turned out.
Yeah, “good for her not me” is fine by me, but let me just add that not even being able to read my email without being forcefed a naked Kardashian feels like an attack at this point. What if it were a guy bombarding the Internet with his d:ck pictures? I don’t really want to see anybody’s nude selfie, ever.
Yes, they are the ones sexualizing themselves, but it isn’t for personal satisfaction. It’s for money, or at least attention that will lead to money. That, to me, is not empowering, it’s playing into the idea that women exist for the male gaze and catering to it. For money.
I agree with Amber that Kim can do whatever she likes and it’s not my place to shame her for it. But that doesn’t mean I have to like it or even agree with her opinions about what she’s doing. I also agree with Pink. Women, especially young women, need to hear that they have so much to offer the world and themselves beyond their physical appearance and how sexy they are.
I agree. Under capitalism, women’s bodies are exploited in order to make money. It’s one thing when women feel like they have to use their bodies in order to survive or provide for themselves and their families (stripping, porn or prostitution), and I don’t believe they should ever be shamed for this because the system doesn’t provide a lot of other oportunities. It’s a whole other thing when someone like Kim Kardashian, who is part of the elite and who dominates the media, posts nude photos. She has a lot of power (whether we want to recognize that or not) and it’s perpetuating this idea that women are only valued for their looks and their bodies. To me, that is gross. It is gross that plastic surgery (disfiguring your body to look a certain way that has been deemed desirable by a certain class) has become the norm. It is gross that people look up to people like the Kardashian’s and try to emulate them. I know it’s all part of what is being sold to us, but it’s still gross and I’m hoping people won’t swallow what is being sold. We deserve so much better.
Amber makes a strong argument. Live and let live, I say.
….That being said, I don’t like seeing Kim’s naked pics and I think she posts them FAR too frequently, but that’s her prerogative. I guess that’s her desperate way of clinging to her youth, as she’s being replaced by Kim 2.0.
I agree with Amber in a general sense, but I don’t think it really applies with Kim.
Also, Amber’s f*cking awesome in the way that she expresses herself. She has a knack for being unapologetic and… good-natured at the same time. It’s pretty admirable TBH.
Yep. What I take issue with is women like Kim and Taylor Swift trumpeting feminism when it suits them. Nope, my criticism and judgment does not make me anti-woman. It makes me anti-your shenanigans. Don’t try to take away my right to an opinion simply because you’re being called out for your typical behavior. As long as I’m not saying you’re damaging to women as a whole (I hate those statements) then you have to realize I am free to dislike what you have put out for my consumption.
Home run, paleokifaru. And I really think you hit the nail on the head when you emphasized the importance of context. Generalizations are never a great idea, but specific criticisms about Kim are fair game IMO.
Ah man, one of the first times I disagree with Kitten. Amber to me is an opportunist who got lucky by marrying/dating famous men to get a platform. I hate the way in which she expresses herself. When she referred to Kanye awhile back of nutting on her, I thought now there’s a classy gal. Kim had the chance to redeem herself, but now she’s getting so much negative press, it delights me, which probably makes me a bad person but compared to her I’m Mother Teresa. Another day another Kardashian debacle.
Hey Nancy-It’s ok, I still love you. The reason why I don’t see Amber is an opportunist is because she’s never been anything short of transparent about the way that she approaches personal relationships.
To me, in order to be truly exploitative (as opportunists inherently are) you have to be taking advantage of someone. I doubt someone like Whizz or Yeezy didn’t know what they were getting into with her. To me, it seems more like a symbiotic relationship where the men are agreeable to spoiling Amber in exchange for her companionship and what I imagine would be great sex (Whizz) and some ass play (Yeezus).
At the very least, I admire her for being forthright about her hustle. Additionally, would you be brave enough to stick your digits up Yeezy’s butt? I personally think Amber deserves to be spoiled for that…she’s a soldier for sure.
Kim is definitely not unapologetic. If she owned her sexuality and owned her persona, I’d say, ok I get it, but she and her sisters are completely insecure.
Lol…..I love you too Kitten. We will agree to disagree. And hell to the no would I ever put my finger up his….how do I say this…Amber, Kim and his gentlemen caller’s…posterior! Nor would I roll Ms. Amber’s head down an alley down at Joe’s drink and stink bowling alley! Have a good night girlfriend….
Out of curiosity, do you still count as a “grown-ass woman” if you’re emotionally and/or mentally stunted? Asking for a “friend” I don’t really know.
-TheRealPinky
You win. Bahahaha
*eyes Pinky suspiciously*
Do you read the xkcd comic? Or was “grown-ass woman” just a glorious coincidence?
If you have no idea what I’m talking about, there’s one comic that basically goes “My hobby: whenever anyone calls something an [adjective]-ass [noun], I mentally move the hyphen one word to the right.” In the comic, the joke is about a sweet-ass car becoming a sweet ass-car.
Do that to your example, and grown-ass woman becomes grown ass-woman. Which is just perfect.
Just a co-inky-dink.
-TheRealPinky
LOL!!!!
Gave me the giggles. Tell your “friend” nope.
She does seem so stunted, girl! I have a hard time believing she is a 35 year old adult. I have a feeling she has someone dress her and bathe her every day.
So it’s come to this? Either accept people’s completely naked (and photoshopped) bodies on display or you’re “slut-shaming” for expecting people to leave a little something to the imagination? Unfortunately, though we’re eschewing that this is all in support of feminism, it feels like little more than “Look at me! Look at me! Tell me I’m pretty!”
Yep
It’s one thing to not like or agree with something, but why do humans feel the need to tell other people to ‘save’ their bodies/sexuality for the imagination/your man, etc.? Can’t you be content with ‘saving’ as little or as much as you want for who you want, and allowing other people to do the same, instead of worrying about what other people have or haven’t left to the imagination?
I agree that Kim K’s naked selfie was about attention. But as far as ‘accepting people’s naked bodies on display, people have been being photographed naked, filmed naked, painted naked, sculpted naked, drawn naked, and born naked for quite a long time now. I doubt that will ever change.
@OTAKU FAIRY
I’m one of those that visit this site, yet never comment. But your comments are so enlightened, I had to let you know that.. Been reading them the whole day and I keep marvelling at your non judgemental knowledge and wisdom…
Many do not agree with you, but keep spreading the word…
Zulu, I agree! Otaku Fairy is always on point. So informative and eye opening.
“Save it for your man” is such a dumb argument! It’s just a body, nothing to be ashamed of. and we don’t necessarily have to keep all our bits and pieces to ourselves. Anyone who wants to flaunt that is more than welcome to in my book. I tend to judge more on the motivation behind it, and it was obvious that Kim did this to get the spotlight back on her- so I will judge her on that (and photoshopping the heck out of herself on top of all that plastic surgery).
“But as far as ‘accepting people’s naked bodies on display, people have been being photographed naked, filmed naked, painted naked, sculpted naked, drawn naked, and born naked for quite a long time now. I doubt that will ever change.”
No, it won’t. However the amount and rate at which we see naked bodies has changed drastically because of social media. We are bombarded, just being on the Internet. I have an Instagram account mainly to follow a particular hobby. Yet I come across nude selfies more than I’m comfortable with. Not because I’m a prude, or because I need to save my special parts for my special man. Because I prefer to choose when and where I care to look at sexual images.
I appreciate that the conversation about feminism continues. But let’s not confuse the issue. Motivation is a key component. If someone’s nude selfie goals amount to the senseless drama it creates and the amount of likes it gets, it’s not art and it’s not about social change. It’s more likely found in the DSM.
That’s easy, though. Humans are flawed and judgemental.
In this case I think it’s more “LOOK AT MEEE LOOK AT MEE! Please don’t focus on my husbands batshitcrazy ancticis LOOK AT MEE!!!”
Yup yup.
So out of this while mess, I’d say only Amber comes out lookin good. I don’t love all the things Amber says, side eye to taking advantage of people for cash, but I def like this. I like that she’s trying to be a better person.
Any bets on Kimmy taking the offer for appearing at Ambers Slutwalk?
Enough of all this.Jeez.Amber sticking up for Kim now.Didn’t she use to slam her all the time?As for Kaiser’s post.Yes woman and Kim can do what they want with their bodies and that is including posing nude.The negative reaction to that photo is because people are sick of her in are face’s all the time.Was that picture really necessary?I was repulsed and rolled my eye’s when I first saw it.It was just a desperate attempt to get the attention back on her.The younger sisters were getting it and it was driving Kim crazy.If she had done it another way people might not have been so disgusted by it.
I stayed out of the Pink discussion yesterday cause honestly that womans views on gende has bugged me since that Stupid Girls video (remember at the end when the little girl is faced with a choice between a doll, a book, a musical instrument and a football, she picks the football. I think believes erasing feminity is the way to go and those who embrace it are “stupid”)
Anyway, to add to Ambers post; body type and race also plays a huge role here. Pink and Beyonce are in the same industry and both perform in leotards. Beyonce is derided over her nudity by the same people who laud Pinks performances. Its like, wide hips, round thighs and bum equals NAKED and broad shoulders, narrow hips, muscular thighs equals FUNCTIONAL. Also note the difference in reaction to a nude Serena versus a nude MMA fighter (on mobile unable to google her name). Pink needs to shut up on this subject and educate herslef.
I wish I could like this comment! I agree with this 100% I like Pink but it seems like her idea is that women need to become more masculine in order to be treated equally. And yeah to the leotard Pink is semi-naked for the vast majority of her performances and yet she never described as a ‘stripper’ like Beyonce is.
Naya and Karen, I agree with both of you 100%. I also stayed out of the discussion yesterday… but I read every single comment. I like Pink and I think she’s very talented but she is a hypocrite. Really nothing more to add because you both explained my thoughts to a T.
Big fan of P!nk and as I said yesterday, I agreed with her but only to a certain extent. Some of what she said bugged precisely because she’s also gotten her kit off more than once. P!nk seems to view feminism through a pretty narrow lens which is disappointing.
That said, I’m still 100 percent behind vauvert’s comment upthread. Kim K can kiss my ass with her empowerment talk. The only person she cares about is herself and her brand.
@Naya – well put. I find that this same mentality carries over into the average every day life, and doesn’t just apply to these famous women.
If you’re body is curvier you have to hide it in order to be taken seriously and seen as a professional. If a curvy woman wears flattering clothes she is seen as “showing off her body” and “looking for attention”. I think all women face this in the workplace, but it seems a bit more aggressive towards those who have more curves. It’s as if men need to be able to forget/ignore that we have breasts/hips/butt in order to treat us as equals in the workplace.
+1.
Why is Pink even part of the discussion? The media connected her ‘woman’s day’ post to Kardashian and everyone jumped on the wagon.
Maybe, just maybe she just meant to offer a positive message and here we are, dissecting her past and motives…which really makes those doing it every bit as guilty.
As a mom of two girls, I absolutely agree. My older daughter is very stereotypically “girly”. I never pushed frilly pink princess stuff on her, she just tended to gravitate towards it. She also likes trucks, outer space, bugs and getting muddy. There is no need to make it and either or thing!
I also hate that song (I like Pinks music, though). Every time it comes on Pop 2K, I remember how much I disliked it when it came out.
i don’t believe that everyone who thinks Kim is eye-roll worthy for posting nude pictures of herself objects because of the nudity, or wants to tell another grown woman what to do. Personally, I just find this obsession with one’s looks to be a revolting personality trait. I don’t find someone who runs to the plastic surgeon every time she sees a flaw in her face or body or centers her life around her appearance to be particularly “empowering” or feminist. I’m not saying you can’t do those things and still be feminist, but those things, in themselves, don’t make you a feminist. And I don’t believe for one minute that Kim cares about these issues. They’re just a convenient justification for her self-worship.
I also don’t think that someone who repeatedly modifies her body surgically is proud of her body.
(and then denies it). I get some people get tattoos and plan to alter themselves. Some people cross a thin line into some deep set insecurities.
I have a rhinoplasty. Whatever my motives were, I own it and I don’t care. My is n law got her boobs done after 3 children. We were criticizing people who cannot seem to stop altering their looks. She has the children in private school and she talked about how some women look “out of the ordinary”, in the natural realm.
I get that they want to preserve their youth, but, as Kim with her non-smiling agenda, it is a thin line into doing as you please and doing things (plastic surgery, etc) out of insecurities and social pressure.
Just yesterday Khloe was ignoring her huge fake ass, and talking about how she has n0t touched her nose.
They are not role models at all, but they defend themselves as they were Mother Theresa.
Perfectly stated, GNAT! I couldn’t agree more.
Oh yeah, there’s no way Kim cares about these issues at all. She’s just jumping on the “I’m empowering myself” argument because it’s probably her best defense in this situation. BUT I’ll still defend her right to post nudies until I’m blue in the face, because the conversation can so quickly slip from “Ugh, there goes Kim K again” to “Women using their sexuality and bodies rather than their brains to get ahead are embarrassing and a detriment to feminism and equality.” That’s a false and damaging dichotomy, and so I weirdly find myself sticking up for someone I don’t really care for in order to defend against it.
Also, I agree that looks obsession can be gross, but a lot of us do it without meaning or wanting to. And a lot of us are obsessed with our looks NOT because we think we’re the most gorgeous creature ever birthed by a human but because we’re self-conscious and just figuring out how to feel good about ourselves. Like @lilacflowers said, it’s way more likely that Kim is more self-conscious than confident about her body.
Thanks GNAT you said.it.ALL.
I don’t agree with this “brand” of Feminism to justify all kinds of behaviors.
I just want to know, would people be so forgiving and understanding and supportive if this was a guy, sharing countless naked pictures?
I wouldn’t like it. At ALL. And people would be calling this person self-obsessed, maybe even a pervert of some sort.
I am not being anti-feminist, I am just genuinely curious,
That is a really interesting question about how a naked-selfie obsessed man would be received. My initial reaction is ‘ewww flasher’ as in the pervert in a trench coat.
Since there seems to no longer be a consensus definition of feminist, it seems like a useless term.
As for Kim K, she can call herself a feminist but I disagree that her nude selfies empower her. As I said yesterday, she wants us to believe she’s defying social convention when in fact she is confined within a long history of the objectification of women’s bodies. She had butt and boob implants to conform to the pornified image of basically a blowup doll.
Some say that facilitating the objectification of a woman lowers the humanity of all women. I’m torn about that but it certainly doesn’t help women.
If a male celebrity posted nude selfies, people would probably say some of the same things that get said when the famous women do it- that it’s attention-seeking, and the topic of narcissism would come up. But people wouldn’t say that he lacks self-respect, that he’s a bad role model, that he needs to cover up to prove that he and his kind have more to offer than his body, be told that he needs to use his brain, talent, and work ethic INSTEAD of his body and sexiness to get ahead, be accused of harming other people by profiting off of his body and not keeping it private, or be told that he’s a hypocrite for saying that he believes everybody deserves equal rights while choosing to profit off of his body/ not keep his body private. A man could strip down today and call himself a feminist tomorrow, as long as he hasn’t done something that shows him to be a misogynist, racist, homophobe, abuser, or anything like that. And definitely not a ‘trashy sl*t’ or anything like that.
@Minnfin: The problem with the argument that a woman is dehumanizing herself and all women by letting everyone see her body/ profiting off of photoshoots, music videos, or movies where her body was seen or she was doing something sexual is that once you make that statement, you can’t turn around and say that a woman (or other person’s) human worth or value isn’t determined by whether or not she’s allowed a lot of people to see or be turned on by her body. It has to be one idea or the other. It’s also a victim-blaming argument to say, ‘well, by not keeping that private/choosing to profit off of it, woman already gives up her status as human anyway.’
“I wouldn’t like it. At ALL. And people would be calling this person self-obsessed, maybe even a pervert of some sort.”
I’d also call him thirsty and starved for attention…basically, what I think of Kim.
@Okatu Fairy: yes the “lacks self respect” thing bugs me, too. Also no one would tell him to save it for his woman. I would probably think he is thirsty just like Kim K, but never lob those complaints at him.
Agree, GNAT. Well said.
+1,000,000 GNAT.
Also, how are you feeling, my beautiful friend? ♥
I’m better, but still have not determined the cause of the anemia, which is frustrating. My brother is still hurt my behavior towards him, and doesn’t seem to believe that my mood was affected by being sick, even though I have never done anything like that for my whole life. That is making me really sad because we are very close. Thank you for asking. ❤️
I’m so sorry 🙁
I went through the same with my family, GNAT. People really underestimate the emotional effect of a severe vitamin deficiency. They just don’t get it.
My big brother is my best friend so I feel for you so much. Internet hugs and I hope they find out what’s causing this so you can get better soon ♥
I hope everything gets sorted asap, and things with your brother get better soon too. Take care GNAT! xx
Thank you both. My brother is very sweet and I think he forgives me, but he’s just hurt, and I could just kill myself for hurting him. Anyway, thanks for caring. I’m sure it will work out.
GNAT, sending you hugs, love and prayers. Glad you asked, Kitten. I didn’t know our lovely friend was sick 😔
Thank you, GNAT. Yesterday I tried explaining this to somebody on another forum and was met with “you’re policing her body! She can be nude if she wants to be!” and I’m like my problem isn’t her nudity at all; it’s her cheap ploy for attention, not to mention other things. I’m viewing it from a completely different angle than “feminism” or nudity. People may not think it’s that deep because it isn’t to them, but to people who live for likes on IG pics, it is that serious. They are looking for validation from others and are overly obsessed with appearance. How is that not a bigger problem than nudity?
Yes, exactly. I have no problem with nudity or being proud of your body or anything like that, I just don’t think she does it for those reasons she says. It has nothing to do with feminism – it’s looking for validation from others, which comes from a place of weakness, not strength.
Ok, people keep saying “its not about being naked!!” but the source of all of everyone’s ORIGINAL disgust and the reason everyone one is “tired of her,” is her sex tape. So when you get right down to it, it IS because people are policing her right to use her body the way she wants. It just started THEN.
People are parsing this argument in far too many ways to try and make themselves feel better about being judgmental. I stand with OFairy.
“Policing” how exactly? If someone is constantly Instagramming pictures of their baby to the point where I’m just tired of looking at them and I think “good god just stop with the f*cking baby pics” is that considered “policing” too? —or is that just having an opinion about something that person is putting out there? Or is it ok to be exasperated by photos of babies, but not photos of a woman’s nude body? I’m genuinely asking. Someone please tell me the f*cking social media rules.
Man, I am so happy that I didn’t come of age during social media because it’s clear to me that I don’t understand how any of this works. It’s like people are saying that everyone should be allowed to share and post pictures of whatever they want but nobody else is allowed to have an opinion about it. It’s bizarre and it makes no sense to me.
I also think it’s so strange how context, intention, and WHO is posting pics gets thrown out the window in favor of blanket statements about feminism and female empowerment or “slut-shaming”. Someone posted downthread about how empowering it was for her to pose nude after having three babies. That’s great, you know? Thumbs up and all that.. I would “heart” that pic or whatever the eff you do on social media.
But I’d feel differently about that person if she then decided to post nude pics of herself every f*cking day from that point forward…after a while all of this sh*t just feels like attention-seeking behavior. I realize that I might just be an old fart who doesn’t understand the appeal of social media but that’s how this crap comes across to me: attention-seeking, needy, desperate, whatever—not to mention, boring, repetitive, and uninspired.
I don’t see how any of this has to do with slut-shaming though. I see that as an entirely separate issue.
@anon33
I get what you’re saying, and in some cases you may be right, but here’s the thing. I don’t personally judge her for making a sex tape, and I never have. If you want to film yourself having sex with your boyfriend, that’s your business. I have said before that she contributes very little to society and I think it’s weird that she has made millions simply BECAUSE of a sex tape, but I don’t have have a problem with her making one. I don’t think it’s fair for you to say what’s at the source of my disgust as if you know better than I do. The source of my annoyance (I think disgust is too strong) is her obsession over her own image. I think that centering your world around how you look is shallow and frankly dangerous, because you’re going to age and if you’ve put all of your eggs in that basket, it’s going to be really hard for you. So some people may be policing her body, but please give people who say they aren’t the right to a different opinion.
@Kitten: This is sooooooooo off topic, but the baby/kid pics thing is a very interesting discussion right now. Basically, people are starting to wonder how having every small moment of a child’s life documented on the internet or social media will affect them. Are parents who post these things CONSTANTLY really thinking about their kid? What is the motivation in sharing pictures of your child/children every single day? Do these kids deserve privacy, should kids have a say in which pictures get posted, or if they even get posted at all? What about mommy bloggers or mommy instagrammers who are basically selling their kids as a product or using them for fame, monetary gain or to get free stuff? Sorry, again, very off topic, but it is an interesting discussion because Kim K can choose to post her selfie to the world, but does North get a say in the countless pics posted of her online (by her mom- not necessarily the pap shots).
sigh….why is kim so intent on body fame’ing?! when u post on social media there is the section for comments…!.is kim’s sudden thin skin kanye related? why does amber want to be involved in this mess? yup she can do what she wants & so can everyone else. and if she is so proud why all all the photoshop, big coats, old pictures. #sothirstybutwhy
This is so manufacturered and we’re buying right in!!!! She posted her nude pic and knew someone would say something, she probably had that essay ready to go after she tweeted some outrageous stuff to get the initial attention then BAM! Right on trend, an essay about her rights that no one was trampling on. She literally made all of this happen. Damn you Kim Kardashian.
They are trolling all the time, and the public still takes the bait.
Yes. I believe we’ve been successfully trolled (and that all the celebrities making comments about it played a part in that).
I don’t think people ( feminists) specifically dislike Kim posting naked photos, its her calling it empowerment in the name of feminism that irks.
Kudos to Amber Rose in the sense that she is prepared to defend someone who was silent when her husband sluthamed her. Although i think she totally misses the point when she calls it classism. Kim is not a different class from Pink.
Yes everything you said.
Agree with all of your points.
Another thing that bothers me is that Kim has power and she knows it. The Kardashians have become trend-setters. Kylie got her lips done and then teenage girls across North America ran out and got lip injections too.
So to use this ‘power’ to say ‘this is sexy, this is how you should look’ when it’s a look that can only be achieved via plastic surgery…that hurts women. It doesn’t just not help women, it hurts women. We are slowly being held to a more and more unrealistic ideal. It used to be “you need to be rake thin” then it was “you need to be rake thin but with large, round floating breasts somehow” and now it’s “you need to have large round floating breasts, with a large round floating bum, with a waist carved down with a surgeon’s liposuction blade. Your mouth must be stretched by fillers until you cannot use your lips the same way as before and your face must be filled with toxin to avoid any line.
You must look perfect. Or you are worthless. You should strive to be as decorative as possible and once the surgeon reaches the limit of what he/she can do and you can no longer avoid looking older, than you must disappear and never be seen nor heard.
This is what we want for women?
@pinetree 13 YES to everything you said 1,000,000%! My sentiments exactly!
I was distracted that she kept using “u” for “you.” Or “ur” for “your.” That’s my own pet peeve though.
You’re not alone in that pet peeve.
What an invitation: “You and all of your slut shamed sisters are cordially invited to my slut walk.”
I can’t recall Pink directly calling out Kardashian. I do recall her saying that you don’t HAVE TO use your body to get ahead in the world. She didn’t say you can’t use your body, or even that you shouldn’t. She said it’s not necessary. I do find it funny that while some people are entitled to their opinions, others… not so much. Some applaud Amber Rose for stating her opinion but bash Pink for stating hers because it doesn’t necessarily agree with their opinion. Is it really necessary to say “shut up” to a person for stating their opinion? Whatever happened to simply stating that you disagree with someone instead of attacking them? Why should Pink have to “educate herself” when talking about not being ashamed to use one’s intellect to get ahead instead of one’s body?
Thisss!!!!
Pink is entitled to her opinion, but it came across as sanctimonious and catty imo…and I strongly dislike PMK and the Kardashians. If someone wanted to truly post something about International Women’s Day, why not just post about how women should use their intellect and power to get ahead? There was no need to add in the part that seemed like she was implying “don’t be like those wh*res who use their body.”
I guess I’m sensitive to this today because my cousin has been very upset over the past few weeks and for some crazy reason I’m relating it to Kim (ugh). She’s a grad student in a male-dominated STEM field and recently was one of the authors on a paper with a professor. Anyway, there are only a few other young women in her program and she’s very close to one of them….who told her that the other two girls were sh*talking my cousin and saying they heard she barely contributed and therefore didn’t deserve to have her name on the paper, that the only reason she was credited as an author was because the professor clearly wants to f*ck her, and on and on about how she dresses inappropriately and like a sk*ank (all horrible BS). The whole “using your body” is this standard, gendered insult that nearly all women get accused of and men almost never do…..and even if it’s true who gives a sh*t. If Dita Von Teese finds joy in dancing Burlesque and doesn’t only do it for the male gaze, more power to her. If some woman f*cks her boss to get ahead, that’s incredibly sh*tty and I do get some criticism…….but it seems like we “only” criticize the women and not the men who are taking advantage of a power imbalance.
I personally don’t care if a woman wants to advance herself by using her sexuality. That’s her choice, not mine. And I’m sure I would come off as sanctimonious about it simply because I state it’s not a choice I would make. I have to admit, it kind of burns me to see someone like Kim Kardashian make so much money originating with a sex tape when I studied and worked myself to exhaustion becoming a doctor and could never dream of cashing an 8 million dollar check or whatever it was she said. It is galling (and yes, a little envy inducing) that all she has to do is toss up a couple of nudes a month, show up at events barely dressed, and put her name on stuff other people have developed and she makes bank. But it was all her choice and it worked out well for her.
Pinks message does not come off as sanctimonious at all IF you don’t buy into the media generated assumption that it was aimed at anyone in particular. If you must believe it was aimed specifically at KK, eh maybe, or it was an opinion she is entitled to.
Why is it ok to call her opinion sanctimonious while espousing your own which could arguably be construed the same way?
You make a lot of good points, as usual.
Paranormalgirl: Exactly!!! This! +1000
Pink could have sent a “Do what you want with your bodies, because it doesn’t determine your worth or value, but don’t feel like you have to put all your eggs in one basket. You can be more than one thing” kind of message, and nobody would have found that reductive or sexist in any way. That message doesn’t separate women into two different categories based on what they have or haven’t done sexually or with their bodies and imply that one ‘type of girl’ is inherently better than the other because of it. People also didn’t like the hypocrisy of it because if there’s any famous woman who’s living proof that a woman can use sexuality and her body but still use and be about other things- like talent, strength, work ethic, politics, attention-seeking, her own flaws, etc.- it’s Pink. (And a few other women in that industry I can name). She has very much used sex and her body and talked about how she hates slut-shaming and how empowered she is. How women should do what they want with their bodies. So yes she has the right to express her opinion, but people are just pointing out the stereotypes and hypocrisy in that opinion. Just like people are pointing out the hypocrisy of Kim K’s opinions expressed in her essay.
this will all be over when a nude selfie goes up on the internet if Cim Cardashian and nobody says anything about it…because it doesn’t matter, it’s not special and it’s, at this point, not a big deal.
seeing a naked woman, thanks to this woman, isn’t a big deal anymore… (is that sad or progress??. IDK anymore)
just let it float by…then she won’t have power and will cease to exist.
I’m irritated that other celebrities don’t see that and just stay quiet about it.
same with the general public like us…we’ve seen her cooch, her t*ts, everything and it’s all been painted and oiled up before so…
why was this one different?
ignore the beast.
she has the right to post whatever she feels comfortable with, but if we don’t react, there’s no point to her doing so…so send her that message people…
I have mixed feelings on this. While I don’t think people outright slut-shamed Kim, the sanctimony from Pink and Chloe was…grating. It’s like “who are they to lecture a grown ass women on how to use her body.” Bette, on the other hand, just seemed to be making a mild joke like “we’ve seen it all before” and I feel like she would have made the same joke if Zac Efron posted another abs photo.
Kim is an adult and by all means has never pretended to be a role model, so as Kaiser said…who the f*ck cares if she loves to pose nude? Her spinning it as empowerment is annoying….but it doesn’t detract from the fact that people are getting into other people’s business for no good reason. I also feel that while the Kardashians and Kanye slut shame, that also doesn’t mean this weird judgemental attitude towards her nudity is okay. I get pointing out the hypocrisy…but it feels like people are going overboard.
At the end of the day though, what bothers me more are people who hyper-sexualize themselves while courting a young audience. For example, Miley Cyrus back in the day or Katy Perry with her cupcake boobs playing Candyland in a music video.
KIm may not pretend to be a role model but the fact is tha many young women see her as a role model and she uses it to promote whatever she has to promote.
Exactly.
I said this on another thread. Whether Kim has put herself out there as a role model or not, she is to some. Celebs, politicians, althetes, etc, by nature of being in the spotlight become role models/examples whether they want to be or not. They need to think about that.
So let me get this straight, if you don’t accept Kim and her old antics of displaying her body constantly in a poor attempt to get attention, you’re automatically slut-shaming?? I surely was born in the wrong generation.
Right. Because, feminism means that you can never say anything bad about Kim. Look it up.
I know right?! Thank you.
Why wasn’t it a big deal when John Stamos showed his ass? He was selling his sex appeal as well. Leave Kim alone!!!! This is a great debate and good celebrity gossip and that is what she is a celebrity!!!!!
Sorry, but there as a big deal when John Stamos showed his ass.
Kim is not a poor little victim cause she’s (woman/ curvy/ married to Kanye/ whatever her fans find to defend her thirsty self).
Hahahaha, I forgot about John Stamos’ booty! That pic was so awkward tho! He was like hiding behind a curtain with a sliver of his little butt peeking out. I don’t think most people looked at it long enough to think it was worth commenting on. At least I didn’t!
And I agree — celebrities are fun to dish about, and this whole hoopla is actually creating a pretty meaty discussion. I’m not hating.
I agree with Amber there is no reason to tell Kim what she should be or not be women all over the world are expected to be perfect all the time or they would not be respected.Yet men are allowed to be pigs and respected.Equality is for all of If Kim wants to be vulgar,selfish so be it,it’s her choice we should all accept her the way she is like we have been accepting men for years.With their rap videos that put down women and their philandering ways.Kim is not a politician so let her be end of story.Kim is a celebrity she is there to entertain nothing more nothing less.So let her be.All those self rightoeus celebrities who are seeking approval should get of her case.Yes Kim is not perfect so whose problem is it actually?please tell me why we should be upset about that give me one solid,pertinent argument to change my mind
I wish these idiots would devote as much time to a charity/their own children/ furthering their education as they do fighting and whining on social media.
Basically: if you don’t share my same opinion, you’re bullying me 😢 Grow up, ladies.
Honestly, I don’t even think Kim’s photo(s) were THAT dramatically sexy/naked! Am I nuts? Like, we’ve literally seen her WHOLE body before, and the recent Instagram pics at least had her nips and cooch covered up. It legit just looked like a Sports Illustrated cover, except instead of a string bikini there were black bars or human limbs blocking the juicier bits.
My theory on why this is SUCH a huge ordeal to Kim this week is because a) we know she feels quite self-conscious and struggles with losing weight post-birth (which, to me, seems pretty anodyne and normal) and b) she’s been spotted going to the dermatologist on the reg in the past few weeks, which might indicate she’s either going through a rough bout of skin issues OR going though a particularly extensive series of body modification procedures, both of which I imagine would put someone like Kim K on edge in terms of feeling confident. So she posted OLD photos of her naked body wanting to get attention for looking great when she was feeling crappy, and then seriously overreacted when folks made the same jokes they always do about another Kim K selfie. But everybody wins because Kim gets attention, every lady celeb under the sun gets her 5 minutes chiming in, and the internet commentariat gets to discuss actual substantive issues around feminism/sexuality! I kind of love it.
No. Sorry Amber no one was slut shaming Kim. Pink wasn’t slut shaming Kim. Pink, in fact, never mentioned Kim, but as they say a hit dog will yelp. I don’t begrudge Kim her narcissistic ways but I don’t have to like them either. Save your support for someone else, Amber. Kim has no problem with you and everyone else being slut shamed as long as their last name isn’t Kardashian or Jenner.
Thank you! I mean really when did it become wrong to tell women and girls to use their minds and not their bodies to get ahead that is all pink did.
Was it potentially hypocritical a little but any celebrity that says it will be but the fact is they are roll models and should say it. Honest to god I hope every little black girl who watches the formation thinks yeah I am awesome and I will be the next bill gates I’m coming for you Silicon Valley not I want to be Beyoncé because that will change the world not being a singer!
Seriously I don’t get what is wrong with encouraging young women to want to be smart and use their brains. When did that stop?
The problem is how it’s always framed as an either/or thing for women. I know Kim K isn’t the best example of it, but people in general always act like there’s not a single woman in the business who has used sexuality & skin in photos, music videos, or performances and still shown that there’s more to her and used that- her talent, her work ethic, politics, or even her own flaws as a person. For women, being a quality, multi-dimensional, flawed self-respecting person and being whatever someone else considers to be ‘slutty’/sexy etc. is always framed as something women have to choose between.
@o listen I work in fashion I put an extremely high premium on my appreance, there is nothing I love more then slipping on a 5inch louboutin, beautiful jewelery and a dress that being said I understand balance, my dress is never super short, my boobs are never hanging out and I come to the table well spoken with facts, figures and information(that is most important). At no point do I present anything but intelligence, no one can or will say I got to my title through anything but hard work and intelligence.
Of course there are women in business who used their bodies to get ahead or even slept with the boss; but like kim here they are called out on it and not respected.
And let’s be real if a man came to work in a low cut top and short shorts or slept with the boss for a promotion you wouldn’t and shouldn’t take him serious, no different than a woman.
I actually wouldn’t disrespect a man for doing any of those things. Just like I don’t automatically respect a man (or anyone else) because he’s wearing a suit and hasn’t had sex with his boss.
It’s fine that you choose to dress more conservatively for yourself. But not everybody does. And the fact that someone doesn’t cover up/ dress in whatever way you (or anyone else) approves of doesn’t give you a pass to disrespect them.
I have never felt the need to comment before, but here I go:
I have zero problem with anyone posting nude pictures – of any race, sex or gender. As long as they make sure they are posting for other (legal) adults. My problem with all the K’s is that their focus groups seem to be ‘tweeners, and it’s inappropriate to encourage under-agers who will then think they have an argument for posting their own nude photos, which inevitably leads to Trouble. All of the 15-year-olds need to be reminded that they are “jail-bait” for all of the 17-year-olds, and more and more 17-year-olds (of both genders) are getting into life-long trouble because of the “there’s nothing wrong with it” culture. There is nothing wrong with it as adults to other adults, but do we know who the audience is here?
Please don’t start with the “Parents need to watch their own children” crap. We all know that it’s nearly impossible to monitor 24/7, especially of 14- and 15-year-olds. They all have that one friend whose parents are oblivious.
REEELLY good point. I used to have this issue with Marilyn Manson back in the day. All fine and good to say whatever dark bad shiz you want, but who the hell are you saying it to and are you making money saying it.
Bad bad form.
I’m sick of Kim K nudity but I kinda like the point Amber Rose made about Pink being nearly naked doing her acrobatics onstage which was universally accepted as “art”. I enjoyed Pinks performances but Ambers point is something to consider. When is a nearly nude or nude body art? Public consumption? Sensationalism? Does it even matter?
As crazy as it sounds, I’m with Amber on all of this. I agree with what she said about Pink.
And I also love that she said to Kim “Make a difference and speak on it! Not only when it’s convenient for u but when u can help others.” Kim has no problem with slut shaming when it’s against Amber, but when people say the same things about her she wants to “stand up” and talk about it.
As I said yesterday, I have mixed feelings about Pink’s comments, but I’m so on-board with Amber consistently speaking out for the things she believes in. I just really respect her for being an unapologetic feminist.
Honestly after everything that family put her through, she’s a much better person than I will ever be.
I agree Marty, members of that family have said horrible, horrible things about her. I’m amazed she’s standing up for any of them, I guess she’s clearly the bigger person here.
I have mixed feelings about Pink as well. I love the message as long as it doesn’t get too judgy. It sounded as if she was lifting herself and other women “like her” up while putting women who choose to show their bodies down. Which I definitely don’t like.
And as for Amber I agree wholeheartedly. This is clearly something that Amber really cares about and has strong feelings about. She’s consistent. Kim speaks out ONLY when it suits her.
I loved that Amber said that too. I actually took it as a subtle dig at Kim and loved it even more haha
I saw it as shade 👀 And she’s completely right!
So many awesome posts here today. All of you are making really great points. I feel that Kim cannot be compared to Pink, Beyonce, or any other female artist/performer because she is NOT one. She does no kind of performance (singing, dancing, acting etc.) at all. Pink and Beyonce perform in skimpy clothes/nearly nude-yes, that’s true. They use their looks and their bodies. True also. And I see nothing wrong with it because they have more to offer than just naked, altered selfies with no context other than “hey look at meee!”. That’s the difference. Kim has nothing to offer and is completely uninspired and untalented. As for Amber, she is suing her experiences to at least try to reach out to other women. That’s something. Her offer to Kim K to join her will be like chum in the water to the Kardashians. I wonder if she will take Amber up on it.
Exactly. Why is it so hard to understand that the problem is with Kim, not with nudity itself? Pink, Beyonce, Rihanna, Shakira, they’re all VERY sexualized, but they don’t do it just for the sake of it. They dance, sing, entertain, even if not everyone agree about their level of talent. And let’s not pretend Kim has no intention to influence people.
I would never call Kim or any other woman a “slut” for posting nude pictures. I would use words like vapid, tasteless, self absorbed, narcissistic, and (depending on whether or not the pictures had any artistic value of any kind) dull/unimaginative.
Somebody like Amber probably should not be addressing a talented artist like Pink, who has accomplished a lot in her career. Who is Amber and what has she accomplished? She goes around all day trying to link herself with any kind of celebrity who can move her up on the fame-wh*ring food chain. Her 15 minutes is running out fast
Talent isn’t a get-out-of-jail free card for any and all criticism. (celebrities need to be reminded of that too). Just because Pink is talented and more accomplished than Amber doesn’t mean she’s right and Amber is wrong.
Calling bull on this entire thing!!! Kim trolled for attention she got it, but it wasn’t what she wanted so she tried to play the victim.
But guess what KIM WASN’T A VICTIM, SHE WASN’T SLUT SHAMED. I’m sorry but I’m so sick of this constant slut shaming thing, saying you don’t agree with someone’s behavior isn’t slut shaming it just isn’t. People are trying to act like calling out kim is comparable to asking a rape victim what she was wearing, it’s not.
This is what kim does and then she cries when she is viewed as a joke or her sex tape is brought up well what do you think is going to happen when you refuse to refine yourself.
Let us not forget when Kim’s husband said he made another women famous by degrading and demeaning her and she owes him sex for it she called it BRILLIANT! So kim isn’t some proud feminist fighting for women to be respected. she encouraged her sisters to focus on modeling and encouraged plastic surgery vs going to high school and college.
Sorry but while I totally agree women should be able to do what they want with their bodies, there are some realities that need to be faced, and if we want to be taken seriously, if we want to be viewed as more then tits and ass and sex objects then we can’t keep encouraging this behavior.
Honest to God, what the hell has happened to women? When did we go from encouraging our daughters and friends to strive to be president, CEO, engineers etc to actually caring more about some brain dead twit posing nude! Because last time I checked we don’t have paid maternity leave in this country, we’ve never had a female president, only 20% of our senate I believe is women, we are widely shut out of Silcon Valley and there aren’t that many female CEOs.
So yeah sorry put some damn clothes on go to school and do something that matters! Kim is not something that we should be holding up as OK to girls we should be telling them to be more. PINK WAS RIGHT!
Yes totally agree with you K. I keep trying to write what I want to come across with and I keep reading all these wonderful comments. I totally agree.
Sorry I know that was a rant- but I have a niece who is so freaking smart and I hope to have a daughter one day this trash that is the Kardashians is not what I want representing or encouraged for women.
I despise that they are demeaning women and lowering the conversation. We are so much more then vapid shallow fame whores. And the fact that she turned her thirsty behavior into a femisist issue is DISGUSTING.
Every day women’s rights are being stripped away every day, look at what happened in Florida this week, we have a front runner for president who refers to a women who dares to question him as being on her period, and entire political party trying to take away an option for free health care and what are we worried about whether some famewhore was slut shamed because she went trolling for attention!
She wasn’t and not everything is slut shaming.
This this this. Pink’s quote was awesome btw.
That word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
No, really. The definition of slut-shaming is: “the act of criticising a woman for her real or presumed sexual activity, or for behaving in ways that someone thinks are associated with her real or presumed sexual activity”.
No-one has suggested this situation is the same as “asking a rape victim what she was wearing”. That’s an extreme example of slut-shaming. What we’re talking about here is something very subtle.
For example, you said that women shouldn’t flash T&A if they want to be taken seriously. That sounds pretty sensible. But it’s a subtle type of slut-shaming. You’re blaming a women’s behaviour, when the real problem is societal perception of that behaviour. Why shouldn’t women should be taken seriously if they flash T&A?
If only we spent this kind of energy supporting women who are victims of domestic violence, sexual assault, or sexism, discrimination. I’m not comparing the issue. It’s just sad to me that this amount of energy is spent on something like this.
I just don’t understand. Quick story: about a year ago I posed naked for a magazine, it was about showing off scars and flaws and being proud of them. The woman posted some scans on her instagram and I don’t know why but I was shocked SHOCKED at the reaction. “Sluts” “always trying to show off!” “Anything to be naked” – when in my mind, being naked and bare after having three kids was empowering. I guess I just don’t understand why we feel the need to attack people. Do I care about KimK? No. But I’m also not an a**hole keyboard warrior who is going to tell her what to do and cyberbully her like a 14 year old. I’m a grown ass woman who has to understand that you don’t have to like or approve of other people’s decisions to not be an a**hole about it. And I’m sorry, but Amber is right. We didn’t have this conversation about Pink when she was damn near naked swinging from a rope because we called it “talent” and because you believe that KimK has no value she can’t do the same? I’m sorry, but that’s shitty. I don’t care if it’s a publicity stunt, I don’t care if it’s to get attention, you don’t have to be a jerk.
Keep doing you Kim for whatever reasons you feel like vanity,attention seeking whatever.You are a human being you have as much rights as all the cheating male stars in hollywood.And all the sexists videosPeople may not be happy but eventually they will live with it.All women matter from strippers to attention seekers to actresses to CEO’s we all matter.And nobody should make you feel bad for remaining true to yourself.People can talk all they like but I will judge they day people stop having double standards for men.If it is ok for men to like sex it is ok for you to be vulgar if you have a problem then let the change begin with the one who has a problem not Kim.Kim does not need to change those who percieve her differently are the ones to change.End of story
+1 to the “All women matter” comment.
As we as women everyday have compassion for flawed men so should embrace and accept Kim with all her flaws
Personally I don’t care what Kim posts it doesn’t bother me and I don’t follow her so It does not affect me PERSONALLY. However if you’re laisse fair about this on a wider scale it’s because you’re not considering female representation in the media.
i really disagree with commentators that says Chloe and pink are being sanctimonious or judgy.
The thing is someone like Chloe has been sexualised by grown men since she was 12.
It’s not surprising that it’s young women like chole and Emma Watson who have literally been sexualised since their preteens who are turning into feminists.
So how do you stop men from sexutilizing women you give them a taste of their own medicine.Kim is just like any whoring man out there.Selfish,vain,double standards (insult others but embrace me).So why is it a problem now because she is a woman.Please leave Kim alone she is not perfect and I accept her flaws end of story.
Amber please just let this one drop ok?
All this this talk against Kim is the people pleaser in us women who need approval from other men and their fellow women.And men who need to assert their dominance over women so as not to look deep into themselves and realize how selfish their double standards are ,if men had to see who they were they will commit suicide.What has Kim actually done that is so bad she just did not follow what society expect of her is that a crime.Men are the same and are appreciated or accepted despite all their flaws we shall all survive Kim posting nude pictures.You all should just get over yourselfs and start accepting Kim as a non conformist who is pushing boundaries voila.
I honestly don’t believe Kim is pushing the boundaries. And what I see most people saying is that Kim posting nudes is no big deal but she should not justify it that it is in the name of feminism or empowerment.
What boundaries is she pushing, exactly? Women have been posing nude for centuries.
Well most women use to post nudes to be sexy I feel like Kim on other hand does not post nudes just to be sexy but to embrace the side of her that loves sex.And I guess that’s why people are revolted about her because women are not supposed to seem like they love sex which I think is stupid.Women come in all forms with different thoughts and mind sets and to think women all have to be strong is anti feminism
Damn how fat was that check Kim signed for Amber? Amber needs to remember that Kim is the one that required Kanye take 30 showers before she would let him touch her because of stripper germs you know. This is all b.s. Kim hasn’t been in the news for a while so she needed/wanted something like this to happen. The girl has no shame in her game. I’m personally sick of seeing her naked. I think most people are. Like damn can you do anything else?
Amber is right if the non-scandal was about any other woman posting a nude photo. The issue is that Kim posts old nude photos and does so in celebration of International Women’s day, which apparently in her family = show of your plastic surgery from when you were thinner. That is the problem with that whole family, including Cait. Of all of the things Cait can do for trans causes with her status and celebrity, she chooses to be filmed having lunches and shopping. So yes, I agree with Amber in terms of her general views on women and their ownership of their bodies. But Kim has made her body into a commodity and then attempts to use that represent a cause and/or movement she has never supported in any way.
I personally think both Kim and Amber are victims of many gendered attacks. Whether it relates to their sexuality, bodies, pregnancy, so called sluttiness, choice of clothing, etc. I think many people don’t like either for whatever reason and use it as an opportunity to hurl many sexist attacks on both. They definitely share that in common.
I’m sorry, but Kim is hardly a victim of anything when her entire persona has been built around selling herself – not as a person – but as a body. If all one sells is their body in various poses, selfies, books, plastic surgery, outfits, etc., then what else is there to discuss? Even her damn Emojis are all about her butt and boobs. Amber at least attempts to promote something other than her body. But Kim? Seriously? If one is sexist and has a sexist view of women and promotes a sexist view of women, then that person does not get to cry sexism when they don’t like criticism of their product.
You may dislike Kim, but the comments hurled at her about her pregnancy body were consistently over the line and offensive to myself as a woman.
Hahaha, Kim playing the social media and it’s narrative like a boss. Amber jumping on the back for a ride. Not sure what either of them actually do and its distasteful what I have seen them do, but they’re old pro’s those two.
As I said yesterday, if Kim using nudity to promote her wears is vulgar and famewhorey then P!nk using nudity to promote her wears is vulgar and famewhorey. Hate Kim all you want but double standards are straight b.s.
Do I believe Kim is some sort of feminist hero? Of course not, her naked photos have nothing to do with feminism. P!nk isn’t a feminist hero either. P!nk believes that it’s okay when she uses her body to promote her music or whatever but she is very judgmental about others doing the same thing. I like P!nk as an artist but her wholer than thou mean girling has been annoying for a while now.
I’m just waiting for one these celebs who speak out against Kim K and her nude selfie and her Twitter rant AND her ‘essay’ about empowerment to actually mention the fact that her body is 80% (I’m being generous here) not the body she was born with and it’s fine to say you’re comfortable in your own skin but when that skin has been nipped, tucked, pulled and tightened to your liking at the same times as your photos have been altered and photoshopped to oblivion, you cannot possibly be comfortable in your own skin.
And I agree that women are worth more than their bodies (the ones they were born with or the one that they paid for).
Brains are important damn it! It is painful to me having young nieces that these are the types of role models they look up to! Where are the smart girls, the ones that are there to say, it’s okay to not wear low cut, skimpy or tight clothes to get ahead? You can take off your clothes and post them for all to see if you need to but to never in any of your Twitter posts or in your ‘essay’ do you ever say that ‘hey this is how I made my money.’ Kim K and Amber Rose both piss me off because they may be ‘businesswomen’ now but they are only here because of their tits and ass. They are not relevant because they are business women who use their brains to solve problems and sit around and have board meetings all day or the like.
I really just cannot believe that this is now the world we live in. That people with no talent who do nothing significant to contribute to society are so important and people look up to them and want to be them. It’s terrible.
And as far as Pink goes, yeah she wears skimpy clothes swinging from a rope or whatever during her shows BUT she is pretty much a gymnast and is wearing the type of things that people wear for gymnastics. I don’t look at it as sexy at all because she doesn’t have her silicone ass cheeks hanging out or her fake boobs falling out of her outfit. There is a difference to me. She isn’t trying to be sexy. She is trying to wear something on stage that she can do her acrobatic type stuff in while still looking like a performer who has costumes, etc for her shows (and to showcase her talent, something which Kim K and Amber Rose do not possess).
I can go on and on about this. Do what you are going to do but don’t you dare play the ‘slut shaming card’. Pretty sure none of the public posts called Kim a slut. just because you post nude photos doesn’t make you a slut. It does, however, make you an attention whore. Sorry bout that!
I really love the way Amber responded to both Kim and Pink. And even though I’m all for not putting all your eggs in one basket or basing all your worth on one or two superficial things, I also don’t think anyone needs to ‘earn’ permission to do something with their bodies by being talented.
My god, I thought that was Charlize Theron in the head picture!
Amber Rose calls Kim Kardashian a Whore.
http://www.tmz.com/2015/02/16/khloe-kardashian-amber-rose-kylie-jenner-defense-tyga-relationship/
This was before Amber got that fat check from Kim lol. These women are all attention seeking hypocrites. Of course they want us to believe posing naked all the time is “liberating”. This is the ONLY way these women know how to make money. They can’t do anything else.
OK, but a woman is free to use her body as she sees fit. I would much rather my daughter grow up to be a scientist (which is what she wants – to become a astrophysicist) than a stripper, but ultimately, it would be her choice and neither choice devalues her worth as a woman. I have a good friend who put herself through nursing school stripping. I don’t look at her any differently than I look at someone who waits tables, or drives a taxi, or works at Macy’s
I wasn’t upset by the nude selfie – It did not surprise me at all. What upset me was how nasty Kim got towards Bette’s JOKE. I don’t even know how ‘slut shaming’ was brought up. Bette’s joke was about a camera going through Kim’s body which is based on the FACT that Kim is always naked. Then to make matters even worse, Kim wrote an essay about empowerment. She also referenced that she is proud of her flaws. We all know that is further from the truth. This woman needs help.
Kim’s floor length coats know how “proud” she is of her body.
I have no problem with Kim posting whatever she wants. But it’s completely disingenuous to say you are “empowered” by your body when you photoshop the hell out of the photos. We shouldn’t criticize anyone for being proud and uninhibited, but I think we can definitely criticize someone who plays the victim in this way. She flat out lies about the work she’s had done. Fine. She alters her photos significantly. Fine. Most people like to look at photos of beautiful women and if you want to alter yourself or your photos to look better, go for it. But don’t act like posting these altered pictures is some type of empowerment. It stems from insecurity and the need for attention, and it’s helping create a generation of young girls who feel like they can’t post anything on social media if they aren’t face-tuned, photo-shopped, and air-brushed.
It’s insulting that Kim thinks that women should feel empowered by being viewed as sex objects.
All she’s ever done is objectify herself in exchange for money. There is nothing liberating about that.
My opinion is that she is not empowered by her body, she likely gets off on people seeing her naked.
***…. And I absolutely need this on a t-shirt: “But please as a grown woman let another grown woman live as she wishes.”***
I’m just wording the WORD! That takeaway was the only thing that made me really smile about this entire thing. in the past, I have admittedly made characterization judgements about other women’s choices concerning who, what, when and how they use their bodies. As a mother and someone who has gone through a plastic surgery procedure (breast reduction at age 16), I now fall strongly into the category that Kaiser’s (and Amber Rose’s) point about live and let another grownup woman live is necessary to stop this body judging and shaming at the core. But lemme just say….thank you to all of the commenters on this site for truly knowing how to have an authentic and intelligent dialog about these topics. You debate with passionate reason, thoughtful remarks and the very fact that this community exists gives me hope.
Sure, she can live as she wishes. But I don’t have to respect it. The End.
Amber, yes, there is a class(y) difference between a singer who can perform aerobatics vs someone riding a pole before hitting the champagne room for a lap dance. Sorry, but it’s true.
The sooner we stop paying attention to these two vapid wastes of air the better the world will be.
Kim got exactly what she wanted out of all of this. We’ve been played like a fiddle.
Pointing something wrong at an individual behavior is not the same as saying the person doesn’t deserve respect.
I gasped when I read “sex tape”… I can kind of see Kim saying to herself, “as if everyone needed to be reminded”. Ha, gotta love/ hate these vacuous people.
Kim is free to do whatever she wants but as a public figure who courts attention obsessively she should be prepared for positive and negative attention.
I take from this:
People are tired of her overall and have negative feelings toward Kim because she’s over saturated her image.
Pink was offering another option for young girls because 99% of women will never be rich enough or famous enough to gain from public nudity so maybe use your intelligence to choose your path instead. I didn’t get don’t be nude if you want to but I did take her words as a counter suggestion.
Hiding behind empowerment and femisinism as a way to silence other women’s opinions when it suits an agenda but it’s as bad as saying, “Be quiet and behave like a lady.”
That there is an overuse of the word shaming at times because sometimes it just isn’t and we can run the danger of diluting the meaning until it means everything and nothing at the same time.
In Portland Oregon they do a naked bike ride through the city with people of all shapes, sizes, genders and ages and when I saw it, I did find it empowering. When I took life drawing and had to draw nudes and be drawn nude I found it empowering. I choose what empowers me and what I find empowering. No one can make me feel it when I don’t and I’m free to say Kimmy sit down already and there is no shaming her, I’m just sick of her of her antics.
Nice post, but another thing is add is that studies show around one-third of 13-19-year-old girls feel pressured to post “sexy” pics on social media. It’s tragic that young girls are feeling encouraged to objectify themselves in a sexual way like that. Kim can go on about “empowerment” all she likes but it’s a complex issue and female sexuality is a complex thing that in a social context can be dangerous for those who aren’t mature enough to deal with it.
Things are only “sexy” when they’re rarely seen. I imagine there was peer-pressure to flaunt your ankles back in the day. Nowadays, we think nothing of it. Things like the naked bike ride work by making nudity non-sexual.
Sure women can do exactly what they like with their bodies – totally agree with that – but it’s in the context of public decency – and PD laws apply to both sexes. If you saw a guy wearing jeans with a bum-cut-out hole as a fashion statement on the street, you bet the police will have a chat with him.
Kim’s problem and everyone problem with her isn’t that she’s being shot down for “empowering women” by showing flesh. It’s the fact that she’s a walking brand and sustains her brand by using public nudity, and so using the slut shaming excuse is a cynical defense. She’s just awful and so, so, so stupid. I’m convinced this idiotic family is due to bad karma for humans pillaging the earth.
I am wondering why the bored mother of two is not in Paris at Fashion Week?
Amber is right.
I real think this so called “meeting”
Was Kim sliding her a few million to never ever speak of the booty fingers again and for some silence. It’s obvious Kanye still has it bad for amber by the way he went on and on about her. I’m sure that infuriated Kim’s already insecure feeling of her man. Smells funny how now after she would call out Kim for cheating and sending texts to Kanye that they are buds. I bet she will never divulge any secrets going forward just watch
It really should be a discussion of “classism” vs “crassism”. When Kim is feeling her ego isn’t in the news she tries someother attention getting garbage. Why are the Kardassian trash mob even relevant?
Amber is right. I was uncomfortable with the Pink statement but I could not put my finger on why and she totally nailed it.