Prince William’s ‘Marie Antoinette-style utterances’ distance him from the public


It’s a big day for the Cambridges! Prince William and Duchess Kate will be hosting the Obamas at Kensington Palace this evening. Prince Harry will be there to save the dinner, because let’s be honest: the Obamas love Harry. This dinner was added to the Cambridges’ schedule shortly after Will and Kate returned from their “whirlwind” and poorly-received India-Bhutan tour, likely in the hopes of making Will and Kate look “busy” and “not workshy.” Because those headlines still exist, especially following William’s prickly interview with the BBC this week.

The Daily Mail reported that William’s office specifically left the door open for journalist Nicholas Witchell to ask the “workshy” questions. A source said: “After recent criticism, William’s team took a calculated decision to promote his image. That’s why the ducking royal duties question was allowed. Before, it would have been off limits.” The problem, perhaps, is that if you’re going to open yourself up to that line of questioning, you better have better answers than “pity poor me, I want to spend time with my family!” One of the Guardian’s columnists was openly mocking William, calling him “Darth Workshy” and mocking his “three-hours a week” gig as a pilot. The Daily Mail’s Jan Moir also picked apart William’s interview in a piece called “Wills must work much harder to win our love.” Some highlights:

William needed to check his privilege: “For, surely, life is much harder for those with no future? With uncertain prospects, zero-hour contacts, minimum wage jobs and unable to afford the security of a home of their own. There are millions of people who can only dream of having a role in life they could ‘develop into’. Any role at all would do.”

William’s deflection about being a new father: “What loving, young father, in the whole of this country, would not love the opportunity to spend more time with their children? Commuting dads who spend hours each day on trains; dads doing double shifts; dads who never have the opportunity to put their children to bed or cook their breakfast pancakes; dads who have to make do with precious hours of family time snatched together at weekends. Giving endless quality time to the kids is a luxury beyond the means of most parents, who must work to support their children and family life. William might mean well, but Marie Antoinette-style utterances such as these only further distance him from the public.”

All privilege and no responsibility: “The Duke and Duchess can’t have all the privilege of royal life with scant few of the concomitant responsibilities. Whereas latchkey kids and working parents just have to get on with it, he faffs about in Norfolk, being lord of the manor and putting in the occasional stint with the East Anglian Air Ambulance….Ordinary dads — whose taxes contribute towards the royal lifestyle — must find it a bit insulting that William luxuriates in the home life they can never have themselves. And while he might mean well, if William wants to earn the respect and affection of the British public, he is going to have to work a lot harder. In more ways than one.”

[From The Daily Mail]

Boom. I mean, Moir’s piece reads like our comment section, but it’s just further proof (in what is becoming a mountain of evidence) that the tide has really turned with William… and perhaps to a lesser degree, Kate. It does feel like William is getting the brunt of it, which is as it should be. He’s the one who is convinced he’s some sort of PR genius. He’s the one scheming away for ways to avoid work. He’s the one who comes across as “arrogant” and “spoiled.”

Last thing – Us Weekly had an extremely unfortunate write-up about how William and Kate were able to have an in-hotel “spa day” during their tour of India. They apparently spent several hours getting royally pampered, complete with soothing wraps and massages. I’m so glad they were able to have a little mini-vacation within their taxpayer-funded vacation, you guys.



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  1. NUTBALLS says:

    Moir sounds like a regular here on Celebitchy.

    • Lisa says:

      If you read what she wrote about Stephen Gately’s death, you wouldn’t think so

      • NUTBALLS says:

        Since I don’t know who that is, I’ll take your word on it.

      • Pip says:

        Yup, she’s a poisonous hack. Hates most things (in common with the rest of the Mail): women, mothers, working women, working mothers, fat women, thin women, foreign women (you get the drift), immigrants, the unemployed, anyone gay …. you name it.

        It hurts to agree with her this time – hopefully it’s a one-off.

      • Sixer says:

        Nutty – Stephen Gateley was a beloved boybander who was one of the earliest to come out as gay. When he died, Moir blamed his death on his gayness. You know, like you do if you’re a Katie Hopkinsesque Daily Mail hack. She’s kinda the British equivalent of a US right wing shock jock. Just in newspapers not on the radio.

      • bluhare says:

        But we aren’t talking about Stephen Gately. We are talking about William, and in this case I agree with Nutballs. What she wrote *does* sound like posts here!

      • spidey says:

        Jan Moir should have been sacked and remained unemployed for that piece of lying character assassination of a very recently deceased young person. It was an appalling article.

      • Intuitive says:

        Hey @pip, don’t forget single mothers and disabled people on benefits, other DM’s pet hates. Rest assured there won’t be any other poisonous pieces we would agree with!

    • Manjit says:

      Really???? I’d be very cross with you for saying that, if I was a regular here.

      • NUTBALLS says:


        Geez, lighten up. I’m not British. I don’t read The Daily Mail. I’m not familiar with this journo’s reputation. And I don’t follow boy bands. My comment was very specific to what was quoted above and what commenters have said on Royals posts.

    • Megan says:

      Moir is a total hack. And, per usual, misses the point. William’s comments about being burdened by his duty to the countries that support him are what alienate him from actual “normal” people.

      • Jenn4037 says:

        Boyzone hasn’t been the same. Still love Ronan Keating from this side of the pond though (flew to London to see him in Once).

        Thanks for putting the author in context – but I agree – she isn’t wrong here…

    • Annetommy says:

      Moir is a nasty piece of work (though a recent gusher over the wonderfulness of Hiddles). There are actually steps that could be taken to foster a more parent-friendly society, with consequent improvement of family life, if she’s concerned about that. Unfortunately the government Moir supports has made things far worse for many many families.
      The heir to the heir is as usual spouting hot air.

  2. India Andrews says:

    Boom! The press and public dump a ton of bricks on William’s head. Will he notice? Or is his head thicker than a ton of bricks?

    When will the palace and Harry wake up to the fact that William and Kate are nonstarters?

    LOL. Grab the popcorn and soda. Pull up a comfy chair and watch the House of Cambridge burn.

    (I’m looking foward to everyone’s comments later today. They will be my lunch reading. Hugs! TGIF ladies and gentlemen!)

    • Magnoliarose says:

      Lol I hope we can deliver. Just don’t pop out your violin skills while you watch the House of Camby burn. Your fellow employees may think you are a wee bit strange.

    • my3cents says:

      Finally! Waiting for heads to roll.

    • AtlLady says:

      Could it be that Prince William knows that his current and most pressing responsibility is to raise a future King? I never had the impression that William and Prince Charles are exceptionally close. Didn’t William spend a great deal of time with Queen Elizabeth II in his early 20s, attending her daily routines and meetings? Maybe William knows his role very well and is taking the time with Prince George before William will be called upon to step up when Charles becomes King. George is very young, so gently helping George to learn the ropes before being called upon to perform in public on a regular basis would be an admirable trait. In photos of William and George in public or in public photo ops, George seems to look at William for approval and William is smiling encouragement to his son. The barrage of noise and movement from a crowd must be a bit daunting to a young lad.

  3. Talie says:

    He’s probably just stunned that the free-ride he had in the media during the years following his mother’s passing and then the great “will he or won’t he propose” drama has come to an end. He hates the media, but he always counted on that bit of sympathy to carry him through.

    • crazy daisy says:

      Agreed. I once loved little Prince William, when he was a baby and especially after his mom died. Everyone felt so much sympathy for both Will and his brother. But he’s a man now, incredibly, mind-bogglingly wealthy and privileged. He needs to step up, get involved, use his position and whatever charisma he’s inherited from Diana to help make the world a better place if he wants our continued respect and admiration. Enough with the self-indulgence. Wake up, Wills! “Let them eat cake” doesn’t cut it.

  4. Dawnchild says:

    I hope they continue crashing and burning. They represent the most unattractive aspects of a society based on hereditary privilege.

    • Jess says:

      Ditto. The more I see of him (and hear from him) the more I can’t stand him.

    • bluhare says:

      I don’t. I hope they actually come up to scratch. That being said, I’m not holding my breath for that.

    • hmmm says:

      I hope they crash and burn, too. Because it’s hard to imagine that anything else will be a spur to humility.

    • Jib says:

      I agree. And that he blatantly comes out and says stuff about getting bogged down when his grandfather is going to be 95 years old and did something like 250 events last year just makes me ragey. And don’t forget all of the shade he is always throwing at working parents, implying that he has to work very few hours so he can be a real dad. Ugh. I just can’t stand his entitlement.

  5. seesittellsit says:

    Too much time in Anmer Park, too little time in Rochdale.

  6. frisbee says:

    “Off with his head” – I’ve always wanted to say that. Ok that’s a bit extreme so “Off with his income stream, his security detail , his non-existent job, his country piles, his privilege, get rid of all of it.” He’s extraneous to requirements.

    • Sixer says:

      You’ve been enjoying Queen at 90 week I take it, missy?! Look on the upside: birthday over. We can breathe again.

    • bluhare says:

      Frisbee!! I miss you when you aren’t here!

    • LAK says:

      The truth shall set them free!

    • hmmm says:

      You make a good point, frisbee. If Willy buggered off to an island or had never existed, how would the world be different?

    • Magnoliarose says:

      I hear Elba is a nice place to retire these days. Or Saint Helena if he’s still interested in remaining under British protection.

    • frisbee says:

      Thanks chaps – will admit I’ve been holding my breath while trying not to throw up in my mouth over the 90th Sixer!
      Bluhare – miss you tooooooooooooooo!
      Hey LAK!
      hmmm Island yes – whatever happened to Alcatraz? What’s actually wrong with Alcatraz? Nothing is wrong with Alcatraz. I’m voting Alcatraz…it’s inescapable…
      Magnoliarose – one word Luv – Alcatraz…

      • Sixer says:

        You’re still coming to *our* island with us, right?

      • notasugarhere says:

        When does the HMS Wiglet set sail for the island? I must find time to snatch the Steelcut Tiara from CP Victoria before we leave port.

      • frisbee says:

        already there with Aidan – poor love’s looking just a little worn – just waiting for you lot to turn up – note to self – leave some Aidan for bluhare….

      • Sixer says:

        Before Normal Bill ascends the throne for sure, NOTA!

        I’m bringing Jeffrey Dean Morgan.

      • LAK says:

        As long as i’m allowed to bring my ELF and James Norton, i’ll happily organise supplies.

        Sixer, i promise lots of levis not Jeggings

      • Magnoliarose says:

        There are possibilities here. Alcatraz….hmmm Yes I’m in. I’m bringing wine and Idris Elba. Have to work in Elba somewhere.

      • Sixer says:

        I love you, LAK, for taking pity on my dragged-through-a-hedge-backwardsness.

      • bluhare says:

        You are always so thoughtful, Frisbee!! Unlike LAK who hogs everyone. Now she wants Norton too.

        By the way, The Night Manager started here this week (doesn’t someone here like Hiddleston? Don’t quite get that but his voice is amazing) and I think I will quite enjoy it.

      • ArtHistorian says:

        Hiddles has lovely cheekbones. Never underestimate the cheekbones ;-)

      • bluhare says:

        Let us just say that if Mr. Hiddleston talked to me while he was doing whatever he was doing, I could probably get past just about anything. :D

      • SMUTBALLS says:

        bluhare, Sixer only likes LEGS with a ball gag firmly in place.

        I prefer him naked, with his tongue loosed for carnal activities.

      • bluhare says:

        Ooh, you are bad, Smutballs! Come sit by me.

  7. Jules says:

    Spoiled vapid brats…………….

  8. Anon says:

    This piece is perfect. Its so insulting to actual, working families when he makes his absurd comments. Without even realizing that hes mocking them.

    I actually feel bad for Kate. I honestly think she follows his lead with the work for the firm, and hes a terrible example. I also believe that he has squashed her down. Is she a natural? Obviously not, I’m not saying she’d be spectacular at it. But I do get the feeling when I see her on tours that she is enjoying it and could be a bit more involved if William would allow it. I also think she’d take more “lessons” from the experts if William would allow it. He doesn’t and therefore we end up with her saying things like “Extraordinary…” and nodding to children in Indian slums when they talk about not having clean water.

    • hmmm says:

      What evidence is there that Kate was anything but workshy and lazy? Her solo appearances are lacklustre and unprepared. She only shines when she’s being worshipped and pampered and does barely nothing- she does love a vacation which is what the Bhutan was in essence.

      • hmmm says:

        Oops- What the India/Bhutan trip in essence was.

      • burnsie says:

        +1 hmmmm. That’s what bothers me so much when people say William holds Kate back. She didn’t do anything for a decade waiting for a ring.

      • notasugarhere says:

        She spent a decade doing nothing but pampering herself, shopping, vacationing, and waiting for the phone to ring. No evidence of a work ethic in that decade, so why do people think she’d have one now if William wasn’t around?

    • Magnoliarose says:

      I used to think that too until I read about people’s interactions with them and found him nicer than her. Or stories about how haughty she behaves.

      • Betti says:

        Kate has always behaved in a haughty, look down her nose way – its only in this past year that its been put in print. Normally her attitude is glossed over – her behaviour during the GF years has been pretty much whitewashed. There are many stories of her (and Pippas) bad behaviour, particularly around how they used to chase off any other female that Willy showed an interest in.

        2 stories that spring to mind are:

        1 – She cussed out Princess Beatrice at the charity roller disco in front off the press. Katie Nicholls found B crying in the toilets.
        2 – At Wimbledon one year there is video footage of her and Pippa mean girling Roger Federer’s wife

        The Middletons are unpleasant people, who use you then dump you once they’ve got what they want.

    • Megan says:

      I thought her few quotes from the tour really showed a lack of depth and interest. Maybe just the worst quotes made it into the press, but telling the victim of a terrorist attack his experience must have been “surreal” seems like an obvious no-no.

      Although William telling Bollywood mega-stars he’d never seen one of their movies took the cake IMO. Is it really too much to ask that he watch a single movie when these stars were raising money for causes he claims to care about?

      • bluhare says:

        Funny how he throws out the BAFTA card when he goes fanboying on the Star Wars set, though!

      • ArtHistorian says:

        Their lack of prep-work is very telling. Is it because they just don’t care or are too lazy to bother? Or does William just think that he can wing it as he goes along? I just find it mind-boggling that they are so obviously unprepared when they can be arsed to do their duties.

    • anne_000 says:

      Iirc, her reply to being told by Indian charity workers that children are being mutilated in order to get more sympathy-money as beggars: ‘Gosh, that’s so interesting.’

      Doesn’t sound like someone who is actually interested and concerned and wants to be more involved in the harsh realities of other people’s lives.

      She could come informed and well-prepared for her work events, like practicing speeches in such a way that it shows her major concern isn’t about worrying whether her accent is posh enough. She could also stop the eye-rolling and the looking-about-the-room because she’s bored stiff and fixing her hair when other people are talking to her.

      I could have some pity for her if she had spent some of her pre-marriage adulthood working on something, anything, besides concentrating on being available for William 24/7. But even her ‘jobs’ and activities were structured so that she could drop them whenever William called.

    • Llamas says:

      I don’t feel bad for her. She knew what she was getting herself into. I do not believe she actually cares what he does. She got all she could ever want and she will do/put up with anything to keep this gig going. She and her mother were foaming at the mouth like rabid dogs in their chase for him. He would guarantee a life of privilege and no work for her to do if she didn’t want to. She’ll put up with anything because she love the prizes she gets from him. She’s truly in love with luxury and she will hold onto it with a death grip. Her parents are trying to make sure their other kids end up with luxury and no responsibilities. They don’t value work or even love it seems. The whole family is extraordinarily materialistic.

      If Kate was truly unhappy with his treatment of her and if she truly cared about love or whatever she wouldn’t be with him. She’s in it for completely different reasons. This is why she doesn’t listen to the public, doesn’t take her role seriously, flashes everyone, skips duties, nothing but money and status are all she ever wanted. She goes through the motions and does the least amount of work because she simply doesn’t care nor did she ever care. King William the Failure validates these traits because he is the exact same way.

      They are William and Kate Buchanan. This quote from The Great Gatsby sums them up perfectly: “I couldn’t forgive him or like him, but I saw that what he had done was, to him, entirely justified. It was all very careless and confused. They were careless people, Tom and Daisy – they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into their money or their vast carelessness, or whatever it was that kept them together and let other people clean up the mess they had made.”

  9. hmmm says:

    The knives are out, it seems. I hope they stay out. Finally, the naked truth.

    Did not know about the spa day! How did they have the time to cram *hours* into being pampered??? Oh, wait, they spent scant minutes visiting the poor and downtrodden.

    I like the skewering. Some roasting would be tasty, too.

    • Imqrious2 says:

      Shall I pour us a glass of that fine “whine” William is supplying us with?

    • BDA says:

      Hey, they deserve their “private time”.

    • Poisonous Lookalike says:

      +1. I cannot stand these two.

    • Citresse says:

      Hey… wait a minute.. Charles and Diana had a spa day too while on tour. Remember back in 1983 after they arrived in Alice Springs, AUS, they checked into a room at the Gap Motor Inn with a cedarwood hot tub and a colour TV ;-)

      • hmmm says:



        That does make me wonder if other royals do this kind of stuff on tour, though to their credit, they actually “work” so I’m not sure I care that much.

      • rosiek says:

        In the Queen’s 90th birthday film, she makes reference to a ‘weekend off’ while being on a long tour–so they do get some ‘off time’. I think WK are just a magnet for criticism these days.

      • Tina says:

        That was a weekend off in the context of a tour that was literally months long. W&K’s oh-so-strenuous tour was 6 days long.

  10. LAK says:

    Marina Hyde’s ‘ lost in showbiz’ column in the guardian is how i started down the path of celeb gossip. She’s very funny, and this column about William is par of the course of her mockery of celeb shenanigans.

    She also write an excellent book about how celebrity has taken over the world in the sense that people don’t listen to proper facts unless they’ve been dumbed down and sprinkled with celeb dust. Her book starts with the occasion in 2006 where Sharon Stone offering kisses for peace in Isreal. Sharon was serious, and it was taken as seriously by news sources as if she’d made a new discoverywh

    You go Marina.

    • Sixer says:

      Yes! I love Marina. Skewers the lot of ‘em.

    • hmmm says:

      Oooo, a new one to follow!

      “…..when Prince William was green-screened into the appearance of doing a day’s work by the state-of-the-art special effects team on the Star Wars sequel trilogy”.

      Thanks, guys!

  11. realitycheck says:

    Good! They both deserve it. The truth always prevails!

  12. Amy Tennant says:

    I remember when, in the wake of Diana’s death, the tabloids would raise the question of the Queen bypassing the unpopular Charles and having William succeed her directly. I don’t know if anyone actually thought that would or could happen, but it was batted about in the media. William was the golden boy. Now Charles has won back the respect of his people, and William is looking increasingly unfit! How times have changed! I wonder if Charles is disappointed as a father, or secretly pleased at how public favor has shifted. The best thing for all of them would be for William to follow his elders’ example in royal duty.

    • LAK says:

      It’s amazing. I can’t remember the last time i saw such an article.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Charles cannot afford to have people dislike W&K. If he’s going to cut off all the royals who do the work W&K refuse to do, he’ll be up a creek.

    • Cee says:

      I bet Charles is worried – he needs for his line to be seen as capable and worth it to carry on the institution that is their livelyhood. Charles needs for William to be popular and well-liked to ensure continuity.

    • anne_000 says:

      Imo, Charles, in his concern for the bottom line and possibly due to his ego, streamlined the core BRF to only his branch of the family tree. Yet, that’s why qualities for what make for good CEOs don’t necessarily make for good governance. Such entities that depend on working for the good will and benefit of the public can’t be dependent just on what’s good for the bottom line (See former CEO, now governor, Rick Snyder, concerned only for the bottom line re Flint water).

      Anyhoo, I think that there is a side of Charles and the Queen in which they know it’s to their benefit that W&K looks so gormless. The public starts to appreciate them more. And if Charles were truly concerned about the long-term future of the BRF, then he needs to come to terms about the realities of his successor and start to rely more on the other younger members of the BRF.

      • hmmm says:

        Great comment!

        Charles is no fool. Sounds like a bit of a pickle for him at this juncture. If he tries to cover for the Lamebridges rather than kick them in their skinny behinds then he deserves the grief that will rain down on the monarchy. It looks like he miscalculated. Does he have the humility and savvy to right the course?

    • EM says:

      Has Charles really won back the respect of the people or is he just more tolerable? The only one I can appreciate is Harry – he appears to genuinely be interested in people. I can see the whole thing folding upon the Queen’s death.

  13. Sisi says:

    Last week visiting homeless kids in India who fled from abusive families and are at risk of getting their eyes poked out to make more revenue on the streets, this week pointing out how tough his life is.

    For someone who wants make comparisons to Diana at every opportunity, he really lacks perspective and awareness.

    • Hudson Girl says:

      It’s sickening, really.
      For something more lighthearted, a Nostradamus type predicted years ago (way before we knew what a workshy/loser he is) that William would be the last King of Great Britain. At the time it seemed odd and impossible. Suddenly, I’m starting to get how that’s all more believable now.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Add in AstroAmerica’s prediction that W&K would abandon their duties, wander off on permanent vacation, and leave a Howard Hughes-style reclusive son to rule after a regent Harry. Doesn’t seem far-fetched.

      • k says:

        It’d be really poetic if that turns out to be the case. Start with a a William (the Conqueror), end with a William (the Workshy/Unwilling).

        What irked me was his “bottom of the barrel” (paraphrased) comment as justification for his nearly non-existent work ethic. Bill, if that’s a good and accepted reason in the family to work less, then why is Anne (12th) practically carrying the family with her workload (I do think a small part of it is just to compete with Charles) and why are the Dukes of Gloucester (24) and Kent (34) working harder than you are? Complete BS.

      • Elizabeth says:

        I read an article years ago that tried to prove why William was going to turn out to be the Antichrist.

  14. Betti says:

    Yes and the taxpayers and Indian govs picked up the tab for their ‘spa sessions’. They just view everything as one big freebie.

  15. Size Does Matter says:

    I am so glad I don’t pay taxes that support these leeches. I have to stop reading these posts.

    • Janis says:

      IKR? I’m seriously livid with this spectacularly entitled loser, and I’m only Canadian. If I were a Brit, I’d like to think I’d support storming Amner with pitchforks. He’s such as ass and the Queen and Charles need to cut him off or he’ll never learn some humility.

      Also, as an aside, I really feel for that woman in the archery photo, having to hold that umbrella over the Duchess’ head while she make ridiculous faces. SMH

      • me says:

        @ Janis

        As a Canadian tax payer, some of your money does go to supporting the Queen and her family. Google it.

    • Jaded says:

      Us Canadians actually do pay a per capita tax of about $2.00 because we’re a Commonwealth member and pay for their lavish travel and accommodations when they deign to visit the “colonials”. I would like a refund. From the personal account of the Duke and Duchess of Indolence.

    • Meadow says:

      You also pay for a Governor General (the Queens representative) in Canada , I know Australia pays around $500,000 pa for their GG’s base salary. So one way or another the BRF milks all the Commonwealth nations.

  16. Manjit says:

    You’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel quoting Jan Moir. I’m really quite shocked.

    • LAK says:

      This is why William doesn’t get it. He, like you, keep dismissing the Jan Moirs of the DM and not see their target audience.

      Jan Moir’s columns make it into the print editions. That means the core royalist audience, the kind that hangs out at the church on christmas day or outside the hospital are going to read her opinions. The ones who don’t have internet connections or TVs.

      William should try to charm these types of columnists because they are reporting directly to his constituents.

      Secondly, Jan’s not the only core audience columnist who has spoken/written out.

      The clucky hens of loose women, the mirror, the sun, the times, the independent, even the guardian are now regularly writing articles similar to Jan Moir’s piece.

      • littlemissnaughty says:

        Let’s not forget that he was asked, directly, just days ago, about this criticism. THAT is something his supporters will read. It’s gotten that far.

      • Sixer says:

        LAK is right, Manjit. I despise Moir as much as you do. Like I said above, she’s on a Katie Hopkins level in my book. But it’s not about thee and me. It’s about the readers who like what she says. And they do exist. And they are more likely to be royalist than thee and me. An intervention from her is not insignificant. Also, no reason for Kaiser to have any awareness of her generally – Moir doesn’t have any international reach as an obnoxious Little Englander.

      • Manjit says:

        So as long as she spouts an opinion you agree with, she’s golden? Well that’s good to know.
        Personally, the day I find myself willingly quoting Jan Moir in support of an argument will be the day I buy my flight ticket to Switzerland.

      • Sixer says:

        Manjit, that’s just silly. Nobody is lionising Moir. Kaiser has probably never heard of her beyond these remarks she’s just made. You can’t slate Kaiser – who is your host, I might add – for that. Why on earth should she know that Moir has a horrible track record? She’s just reporting a round-up of anti-Cambridge stories. And all the other Brits on the thread who *have* heard of Moir aren’t praising her. They are saying “Oh my word, if even Jan Moir is trying to get an anti-Cambridge word out to people who would usually like the pair of them, things really are bad”. Read what people are actually saying before throwing straw men at them.

      • LAK says:

        Manjit: Nope. Often times i disagree with what she writes.

        However, i once worked in PR, so i know which columnists to be wary of in terms of their audience, and on which papers.

        The hardcore audience of royalists isn’t to be found on the internet. Ditto their haters.

        Online click baity columnists without a regular print column can be dismissed where the subject matter is royals. Their opinions do not count because they remain online and will never be seen by the target audience.

        If a columnist with a print edition column is assigned an article, positive or negative, you have to take notice. The people who read those columns aren’t going to search out other opinions. And if the paper is quoted by newsources, they go to the print editions, not the internet.

        That is why it was a big deal when Jan Moir wrote that terrible column about Steve Gateley. It wasn’t the first time thr DM has written terrible things about everyone. They are the patron saints of little Englanders, and are peptually outraged by everything. And they ara hardcore royalists with a matching audience.

        At his wedding, William thought it prudent to get these columnists on his side and asked them to write only positive things which speaks to their influence. I don’t have to agree with her opinions.

      • Tina says:

        I’m with LAK and Sixer. There’s also a broader point about the Daily Mail itself. Yes, it’s a horrible paper with horrible columnists, but it’s by far the most read newspaper brand in the UK (both print and online). A lot of “nice” people, who have impeccable views on social issues, read the Daily Mail.

      • bluhare says:

        I suspect if I dug deep enough I’d find something that Donald Trump has said that I can agree with. This has been an interesting conversation because not knowing anything about Jan Moir meant I didn’t dismiss her comments just because she made them. That probably means I should take some people at face value more than I do.

        Thank you everyone!

    • hmmm says:

      Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

    • NUTBALLS says:

      Manjit, you’re assuming that an American-based gossip site and every commenter here reads the Daily Mail and is familiar with Moir. Even if most of what she writes is rubbish (I’ll take LAK and Sixer’s word on that!), it doesn’t mean she doesn’t ever write things that people here will agree with. That was my point in my comment above that you reacted so strongly to.

    • Megan says:

      William knowingly and willingly provided fodder for this piece through impolitic answers to questions about his lack of work. Courting columnists like Moir only solves part of the problem. He either needs to get off his butt and do his job or he needs to keep his mouth shut. If he thinks he can trick the media into accepting his excuses, he knows even less about PR than I thought.

  17. DSW says:

    I think it’s nonsense that the taxpayers are footing the bill for these lollygagging fools.

  18. Giddy says:

    Well thank heavens for the spa day. Don’t you know that the poor things were just exhausted? The Sun’s Emily Andrews wrote that the tour was notable for a lack of warmth and sincerity. To me it is all summed up by Kate’s reply to the charity workers who were working with street kids. When told that they were often mutilated to earn more as beggars, Kate replied “Gosh, so interesting.” It seems that W&K save their empathy for themselves and their burdensome lives.

  19. TeamAwesome says:

    So Buckingham Palace is looking for a Head of Digital Engagement? Is this to replace someone or a newly created position?
    You could literally #honkforHarry as your job.

  20. Cerys says:

    Jan Moir has proved controversial in the past but she has summed the public mood towards William at the moment. His popularity is at an all-time low and nothing other than a work rate to rival Princess Anne is going to help. I would imagine there might be a Baby 3 announcement soon to try to boost some popularity and give him more excuses to avoid royal duties. Kate is just as bad. She has never worked a day in her life except for a PR stunt as a buyer for Jigsaw or taking pictures for Party Pieces. HM needs to get her head out of the sand and kick this spoiled man-child into touch

    • Hudson Girl says:

      I’ve been posting that baby #3 is a sure thing for weeks. Their PR is in desperate need of some goodwill and Kate’s already tired of working.
      They probably started in India.

    • notasugarhere says:

      She didn’t take the pictures for PP, that was more spin. They’re all credited to another woman who has also been hired to do family pictures of the Middletons (ie. keep her paid and quiet?).

    • Bea says:

      She also wasn’t a buyer for Jigsaw, she was basically a coffee girl a couple days a week.

      • hmmm says:

        You mean others brought her coffee when she dropped by? I can’t imagine her as someone who serves others.

  21. me says:

    Well from the minute you’re born you’re told you’re going to be King of a country one day, that’ll give you a huge ego. I am sure his son is being raised the same way.

  22. Tina says:

    Harry has got his work cut out for him this evening. It’s been a crazy political day here, as Obama wrote an article in the Telegraph (well, had someone write it in his name) advising people not to vote for Brexit and citing the Americans who died in the world wars as a reason. This was received about as well as could be expected (not well at all), but has been overshadowed somewhat by Boris Johnson (pro-Brexiteer) calling Obama “half-Kenyan” and being generally factually incorrect in the Sun. Harry’s charm is going to have to be on Defcon 5.

    • Pip says:

      Boris is rapidly becoming our Trump :-( A remarkably prattish thing to say, even for him. The only hope is that this might be the final nail in his chances of becoming Tory party leader.

      • Tina says:

        I hope so. Any and all charm that Boris once had (I must admit I did love it when he insulted Mitt Romney around the time of the Olympics) has long since faded. I’d prefer Osborne or Theresa May.

      • LAK says:

        Boris has been saying prattish things his entire political career. It’s his trademark.

        I’m actually surprised at how well behaved he has been since he became mayor.

        Given his propensity for prattish remarks and general buffoonery, it’s amazing he has a political career and is thriving at it.

    • antipodean says:

      I think Good King Hal will be up for the job, and is probably the only reason the Obamas agreed to this rubber chicken fest with the Buckets! That and the fact that Michelle probably wants to have a bit of a sticky beak round Apartment 1/ No doubt she will outshine Katie fashion, and appropriateness (sic) wise. The purple and black dress she wore to meet the Queen for lunch at Windsor was the biz! I noticed that she and the Pres arrived by helicopter, and her hair and her skirt somehow stayed in place. Some said that the choice of colour of her frock was a silent homage to Prince. I like to think it was. I will miss the Obamas when they move on, they have redefined what it means to be Presidential.
      Honk for Harry!

      • Tina says:

        Agree on all points! The lunch apparently went well, the best part for me was when 94-year old Philip drove the Queen & the Obamas around. I can only imagine the looks on the Secret Service’s faces when they were told this was going to happen. The other funny aspect of this was the American media who forgot that UK cars are right hand drive and said in disbelief, “The President’s driving??!!??”

    • Pip says:

      I *LOVE* the concept of Boris & his prattish thongs :-D

      Don’t you think his buffoonery has worn a bit thin? Shouldn’t he have tried to inject a bit of gravitas, after all these years of pretending to be an idiot (& he really isn’t – he’s a gimlet-eyed, ruthlessly ambitious egomaniac)?

      Academic for me, anyway, as Corbyn fan ….

      Aww, you corrected the typo. Shame, it made me laugh!

      • LAK says:

        I didn’t realise how much i relied on spellcheck until i got a tablet. Ditto how much my ability to spell had fallen by the wayside. I’m a dinosaur where technology is concerned, and i keep writing idiotic sentences via my new tablet.

        Boris’s public schtick wore thin a long LONG l-o-n-g time ago.

        Yet he continues to rise.

        It’s one of life’s mysteries.

      • Meadow says:

        I also believe Boris has been doing a Scarlet Pimpernel most of his life.

    • Sixer says:

      Tina – for half of last night #effobama was trending on Twitter. And the hashtag didn’t say eff; I bowdlerised it. It did that rarest of things: unite the rabid among the lefties (he just wants TTIP. He can eff off) and the rabid among the righties (oh right, so sovereignty is good for the Yanks but not us? He can eff off). It was all most unedifying.

      This is EXACTLY what we said would happen, right?

      I curled up and died at the part-Kenyan thing. At some point, this flood of outright racism in the main current political debates (I’m looking at you, David Cameron and Zac Goldsmith, not just Boris) has got to stop. It is making me ashamed of our public life. I blame Lynton “Dead Cat” Crosby.

      On a lighter note, my current sanity saver, The Daily Mash has a most wonderful take on US intentions should the UK decide to Brexit:

      • Tina says:

        Sixer, that’s exactly right. Obama is giving a very good response in this press conference to the question about why he ought to give his opinion (that it won’t be nearly as easy as the Leave campaign thinks to negotiate a separate trade deal with the US) but I still don’t think it was a good idea. And it was exactly what we said would happen, as you say.

        On the racism thing, I am utterly appalled right now. I’m with Nicholas Soames on Boris’s comments: I’ve also never agreed with John McDonnell on anything, but I agree with him on this.

        And thank you for that article – the “tribal leaders in Scotland and Wales” was my favourite part.

      • Sixer says:

        I think Obama did the best job he could – the man sure does talk well – but I’m with you all the way. It wouldn’t have mattered had he done a bad job. The problem was ever doing the job in the first place.

        I feel for you. The wheels will continue to fall off the Tory bus until this referendum is done and dusted. You can start putting them back on again once it’s all over! You never know, @UKLabour might even find themselves a settled position and both sides might be able to move towards a) competent governing and b) effective opposing. We’d all be the better for it. I live in hope.

        Shocked and disappointed in Zac though. I’ve always liked his various stances on civil liberties and a more direct democracy. He’s tainted all that for me now, I’m afraid. Inciting sectarianism and racism just to win an election has real world consequences, as the Americans are currently discussing vis a vis Trump. It’s not on.

      • Tina says:

        I’m actually contemplating not voting in the mayoral election (or voting for the Lib Dems, which amounts to the same thing). I can’t bring myself to vote for Khan because he’s a Corbynista through and through, and yet Zac is very disappointing for the reasons you say. I always vote. I vote in every election I can, even the silly ones that don’t mean anything. This is very painful for a political junkie to admit.

        But perhaps you’re right, once the referendum is over we can start putting the wheels back on the bus, on both sides. I still support Cameron (although his decision to hold this referendum was a terrible one) but we’ve got to sort out the rest of the party.

      • Sixer says:

        Sadiq is not a Corbynista. He’s the opposite: patron of the Progress faction – which is why I don’t like him. How he can complain about “nasty Tories” when Progress-run Labour councils are doing exactly the same things as said nasty Tories but he won’t condemn them when asked, is beyond me. Principle before tribe is how I approach things but sadly politicians seem do it the other way around. Unless there’s a referendum on, then they all lose their minds!

        A couple of members of my family were thinking of voting for Zac (West Londoners opposed to Heathrow expansion) – which is heresy in my family! They aren’t now. Everyone’s disgusted.

        It’s horrible when there’s no-one for you to vote for in good conscience, isn’t it? I last voted Labour in a general election in 1997 and have sent them a vote or two in local elections with candidates I know and trust since then, but otherwise it’s been a throwaway Green vote. Not satisfactory or fulfilling when the system is first past the post.

      • Tina says:

        Sorry, I must admit I don’t know as much about Labour as I should because I wouldn’t vote for them generally (I haven’t either since 1997 – but from the other side of the debate from you). I just knew Khan had been one of the ones to nominate Corbyn during the leadership contest. I think there’s an economic black hole in his plan to freeze transit fares and wouldn’t support him, but Goldsmith and his supporters have behaved abominably (and I count Cameron in that – I was very disappointed in him last week).

        I’m more of a tactical voter (was living in Islington South in 2005 so I voted for the Lib Dems, as I knew the Tories wouldn’t get anywhere there). I like my present MP, Mark Field, very much (I emailed him to say thank you for voting for same-sex marriage, and he wrote back straight away to say thank you and that it was a welcome break from the abuse he was getting elsewhere). But I do have hard limits, and racism is one of them.

      • Sixer says:

        Yup. Me too. There are lines.

        I think Sadiq is a weak candidate and he also comes from a faction of the Labour Party I despise but if I were still living in London I’d be voting for him. Of all the things he is, the one thing he is not is an extremist or an extremist sympathiser (he voted for same-sex marriage too, by the way).

        But y’know. It’s Europe-mania at the moment. We know it brings out the worst in the Conservative Party. They probably need shaking out of the complacency that disastrous Labour since 2010 allowed them to develop. They’ll govern better if they’re frightened out of it. And Labour could do with a bit of time where the focus is elsewhere so the new leadership can develop a policy platform everyone in the party can get behind.

        Provided we vote to stay and there isn’t a period of instability while we sort out Brexit, perhaps it’s the new broom we’ve been needing, all this sound and fury.

    • hmmm says:

      On a shallower, non Brit, non political note, I happened to be watching CNN for news about Prince’s autopsy. I saw video of Harry and the losers greeting the Obamas. Much spontaneous warmth and affection and touching between the Obamas and Harry. The Dolittles with their toothy grins were sidelined. If it weren’t for Harry, this would be deadly.

      Later, pics of Willy acting the serious statesman with Obama. Meanwhile, Michelle is sandwiched between Waity and Harry. Hmmm.

      • Jib says:

        Did you miss Wills and Obama talking, Harry and Michelle talking and Kate playing with George? Then on the sofa, Kate looked so uncomfortable as Michelle chatted away. And I noticed in the video when the Obamas arrived, only Harry and Michelle kissed. :) They are so cute!!

  23. Murphy says:

    Who doesn’t love Harry?!

    Anyway for the love of God someone smuggle this into Anmer, maybe cut and paste it into a playboy and trick him into reading it. Cuz you know none of his flunkies will let it near him.

  24. TyrantDestroyed says:

    Maybe after all this bad press Normal Bill will learn to connect his mouth to his brain before speaking to the press. What a loser he is.

  25. qtpi says:

    Daily Mail is up with a new article about how Kate liked to flash her bum out a 2nd story window to boys that were in full view of it. So much so that she earned the nickname Kate Middlebum. So I think that explains all the flashing she does.

    Great choice to be the future Queen of England.

    • bluhare says:

      That’s actually pretty old news. Interesting that they’re recycling it now!

      • Jib says:

        Yes, I wondered about that, too. They definitely are on a mission to take these two down a few pegs. What do you think the Queen and Charles and Anne think of these stories when they run? They must be aware of it.

  26. HCR says:

    @dawnchild: “They represent the most unattractive aspects of a society based on hereditary privilege.”

    As an American, I couldn’t agree with you more. British children are being influenced, this is what they should aspire to? To grow up and marry into the aristocracy? Are we not past “doff your cap” yet!?

  27. Citresse says:

    Just caught a view of Kate’s dress to meet the Obamas for dinner. It’s a long, conservative dress. Why couldn’t she have worn the same conservative style with hem weights at the war memorial in India?

    • hmmm says:

      Meh. The ever ubiquitous belt is snuggled up high on her rib cage. That’s all I can see. The Regency period would have been heaven for her.

      Is that another new dress?

      • Citresse says:

        hmmm: don’t know if Kate’s picked up some new dresses, but wow the Obamas look tall. The DM photos show them just a bit shorter than William and he’s about 6’3″. Also, the DM keeps calling Kate; Kate Middleton. Five years and two children later and she’s still Kate Middleton.

  28. Castor & Pollux says:

    As a loyal reader of the Will & Kate columns, I have a question for all of you. Hypothetical – let’s say starting tomorrow, Will buckles down, starts visiting charities, attending events that don’t involve celebrities, polo, or tennis, begins to actually follow #PoorJason’s advice, racks up Anne-level numbers, et cetera. Would we get on board and come over to Team Cambridge? Because personally, I think that ship has sailed. I would have a very hard time believing that he’s doing anything genuinely – he’s already made it abundantly clear that he loathes the part of his position that includes actual work. What do you all think?

    Disclaimer: Consider Team Cambridge’s mandatory dress code before you make your decision:

    1. Wedges of Dooooooom!
    2. Wiglets for you and all of your immediate family members
    3. Get ready to bare your biscuits, ladies, because inappropriately short skirts are your new best friend
    4. Tell your husband/boyfriend exhibitionism is the name of the game, because he’ll be wearing this season’s hottest look: meat & veg flaunting pants
    5. Better invest in dental floss, because huge, open mouth maniacal grins are expected at any and all events
    6. Buttons, buttons, and more buttons! Buttons for everyone! Button bras, button sunglasses, button socks, and more! Anything standing still long enough will be buttoned!
    7. Get your wallets out, because buying 8,000 coat-dresses – all in virtually the same color, is required

    Did I forget anything? ;-)

    PS. I am actually asking if you’d support them if they worked, despite my cheeky list.

    • Sixer says:

      I wouldn’t. Because I am a republican. I would probably mostly ignore them, like I do the ones that do work.

    • Magnoliarose says:

      Lol your list kind of seals it. Nope.
      In all seriousness I agree the ship has sailed. It’s harder to win favor after losing it. I just like watching the British happenings because I have a soft spot for the UK. I love the history, literature, art, music, fashion etc. I also think it’s terrible to be given so much and do so little with it.

    • ArtHistorian says:

      I only watch the BRF for entertainment value (and the jewels) – and William has providing a lot of it lately. Kate not so much, other than her decidedly odd expressions. I do find the disconnect between their PR and what they actually do interesting – everytime he opens his mouth, he puts his foot in it – and the his PR tries spinning ever more furiously.

    • bluhare says:

      I would, but not because of them. I would like the monarchy to continue, albeit in a less superior than thou and anointed by God sort of way.

  29. Tessd says:

    I doubt Will cares. Kate definitely doesn’t give a shit. They are both immune to this and how can you blame the couple? The Brits are paying for their lifestyle like obedient citizens.

  30. TotallyBiased says:

    So. They brought out the big guns for the Obama-Cambridge family dinner (sorry, Harry, your big bro has made you totally extraneous on this one) and KP has released pictures of “The Most Powerful Two Year Old In The World” thanking President Obama (who is crouched down to Princely height) for his birth present. Or some such.

  31. Shhhhh says:

    Jeez when will this end!? I cannot believe Brits are so oblivious! It makes me ill! Will and Kate both believe they “deserve” their royal treatment and to hell with the taxpayers!

  32. Shhhhh says:

    I read this in people mag and I cannot believe no one has commented on how ridiculous Kate sounds!

    They were fascinated “by the story of the king and the queen” and the love that made him build the monument to her. And Kate got “quite emotional when she came to know that the queen died at the very young age of 39.

    “She said ‘she really deserves this kind of building as they were madly in love with each other.’

    Oh I’m sure she believes she deserves all of her privilege as well.

  33. unmade_bed says:

    They’re a prince and a princess, you guys! They are not really public servants. Their mere existence creates enough wealth for the country to justify their expenses.

  34. Bridgeport says:

    They’re young, they’re royalty and they have a shit-ton of money. I’d “faff about” too if I could get away with it.

    • ann says:


  35. MissPiggy76 says:

    Why does the British public put up with these parasites? And parading their little boy around in cute pajamas as pure manipulation.

  36. Alix says:

    Must we name-check Marie Antoinette ever time a royal says something stupid? She NEVER said, “Let them eat cake”, and in terms of extravagance, she wasn’t much worse than any other queen of her time. After 200+ years, can we let her off the hook now?

    • Clairej says:

      Yes! I love reading about her. She wasn’t perfect, but also did some great things and was extremely loyal.

  37. Sharon Lea says:

    Camilla has taken spa time too. It was 2012, $5,500/night Ayervedic resort to treat her sinus condition. Says she paid for it privately – The Daily Beast.

  38. ann says:

    I totally agree. William is a dud and so is his arse-flashing bimbo. Boring,lame,spoiled and pointless.

  39. ann says:

    I totally agree. William is a dud and so is his BUM-flashing bimbo. Boring,lame,spoiled and pointless.

  40. ann says:

    William’s mother would think he and the bimbo were embarrassing. Diana had a real work ethic. Her lame son and his bimbo do not.