Amber Heard’s petition: she tried to settle this out of court, she has multiple witnesses

Thanks to commenter Susan for linking to the PDF of the full court filing in Amber Heard’s request for a restraining order. The documents include an email sent from Heard’s lawyer to Depp’s business lawyer requesting that this be settled out of court, a statement from Amber’s friend and neighbor who was a witness to the most recent incident of abuse, the text of Heard’s declaration, as well as Depp’s response. There are also declarations from the lawyers on each side. In this article I’m going to cover the details which are new to me. If you haven’t caught up with this fast-moving case, please read our previous article with the main details of Amber’s restraining order request.

Amber tried to settle this out of court through the lawyers
The declaration from Amber’s lawyer, Samantha Spector, states that she sent a letter to Johnny’s business attorney, Jacob A. Bloom, on May 24, stating that “although Amber had been attacked and remained in fear for her safety, given the notoriety of both parties and the high likelihood of press harassment, Amber would prefer to settle the matter amicably out of court.”

The email from Spector to Bloom supports this, and makes it clear that Amber wanted to keep this out of the press. “Although Amber is afraid of Johnny, she strongly insists that we do everything possible to keep this personal matter out of the media spotlight, which is why she has not yet sought a CLETS DV TRO [restraining order] and why we did not arrange for Johnny to have been personally served at last night’s movie premiere.”

Amber’s lawyer also asked that the case be handled by a “private retired judicial officer.” From what I understand, a private judge is often used in dispute resolution and is a way for parties to resolve cases outside of court, and in this case out of the press. The email ended with Spector stating that “We are indeed hopeful that we can swiftly work out mutually acceptable short and long term solutions out of the public eye.”

There were two additional attacks in the past six months
While there are two recent incidents of abuse detailed in Amber’s court filing, the email from Spector to Bloom that there were two additional attacks other than the one which occurred Saturday night. “Unfortunately, this is not the first incident of domestic violence perpetrated against Amber. In fact, there have been two other incidents in the past six months.”

Amber’s declaration references “several prior incidents of domestic violence with Johnny” including “one severe incident in December 2015 when I truly feared my life was in danger.”

Amber has several witnesses to the most recent incident
As we’ve heard, the attack on Saturday happened at Amber and Johnny’s condominium. Witnesses include Amber’s friends, Raquel Rose Pennington and her fiance, Joshua, and another friend Elizabeth Marz. Additionally, Johnny’s security team came in halfway through and did nothing to stop him.

Johnny’s security team was present and did not stop him
Amber’s declaration states that she is afraid that Johnny will return to their residence, “despite my repeated pleas to his security team to prevent otherwise and to protect me.” What’s worse is that Johnny’s security team came in when he was attacking Amber and didn’t physically stop him. Amber’s friend, the neighbor who submitted a declaration, Raquel Rose Pennington, tried to shield Amber with her body, but the security guard just tried to talk Johnny down.

Amber’s friend writes, “I ran over and stood between Johnny and Amber, begging Johnny to stop yelling at her. I put my hands in a defensive manner motioning him to stop. Johnny slapped my hands away and screamed foul obscenities at me. I then tried to cover Amber up with my body to protect her from him…

He then charged at Amber, screaming at her to stand up. He repeatedly yelled at Amber to stand up – about ten times – and each time, he got closer, louder and more threatening.

Johnny’s security team then arrived, which included Jerry Judge, but they each stood back and did not say or do anything.

Amber pleaded with Jerry to help and said that if Johnny hit her one more time she was going to call the police.

Jerry said ‘Boss, Please.’

Johnny continued screaming and breaking things, before finally walking out of the apartment and into the hallway where he continued screaming and breaking things.

I could hear Johnny go into Amber’s private condominium, where she keeps her personal belongings and artwork, and continue to scream and break things.

Joshua came into the condominium and together we took Amber into our condominium unit for safety.

I observed that Amber sustained a significant injury to her right eye as a result of the incident with Johnny, as there was redness and swelling. Amber was crying, shaking and very afraid of Johnny.”

Johnny’s response claims that Amber is trying to smear him because the media was against her
Johnny’s declaration states “Amber is attempting to secure a premature financial resolution by alleging abuse. Her current application for a temporary restraining order along with her financial requests appears to be in response to the negative media attention she received earlier this week after filing for divorce. Both Amber and Johnny are successful actors. Amber filed her Petition three days after the death of Johnny’s mother. There has been significant commentary in the media as to this timing given that Johnny was very close to his mother. Yet Johnny cannot protect himself or Amber from media scrutiny, and Amber’s anger certainly cannot drive this dissolution proceeding.”

Johnny does not want to provide financial support to Amber
Amber’s statement reads “Although Johnny is extremely wealthy, he refuses to provide me with any direct financial support. Concurrent with this filing I am providing an Income and Expense Declaration. I am requesting $50,000 a month… spousal support based on our mutual lifestyle.”

In Johnny’s declaration he makes it clear he does not want to pay. “The majority of the relief she requests is purely financial in nature. Amber is seeking payments for spousal support, attorney’s fees, and accounting fees as well as the exclusive use and possession of… personal property owned by the parties…

Moreover, as a successful actress with significant income of her own, there is no question that Amber can support herself until the parties have had a reasonable amount of time to assess their finances with the assistance of counsel and then negotiate a mutually agreeable resolution or seek regularly-noticed court orders.”

[From PDF of court documents, commentary added]

In addition, Amber requests that Johnny attend anger management courses and a “batterer’s intervention program.” I think Amber’s attempts to settle this with Johnny outside of court also speak to why she didn’t initially give a statement to police on Saturday night: she was scared and didn’t want this to become a press spectacle. She’s been covering up for him for months, as is typical in an abusive relationship. She filed for divorce when she did because she was scared that he would continue to abuse her. It’s telling that Johnny’s side is claiming that she filed for a restraining order to change the press narrative when she tried to settle this out of court and they’re the ones who tried to smear her in the press in the first place. This is the only move they have.

Other than their legal response submitted to court, Johnny’s team has not issued a statement in response to Amber’s claims that he abused her. Last night he played a charity gig with his band, The Hollywood Vampires, in Portugal.

Amber Heard at the photocall for 'The Danish Girl' during the 72nd Venice Film Festival

Amber Heard & Johnny Depp Have Called It Quits **FILE PHOTOS**

Photos credit: Fameflynet and Pacific Coast News

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  1. roxane says:

    Oh dear god. I trully hope Depp security Team will face charges by the court. Some people are just the worst.

    • bunny ears says:

      Reading the security team did nothing is the worst part. What if he’d beaten her to death?

      At what point does a paycheck trump human life?

      ‘Scuse me while I go throw up in the bushes.

      • EM says:

        Unfortunately this is the sickening reality of Hollywood. Imagine how many other times the staff of other celebrities look the other way.

      • Megan says:

        Their job is to protect Johnny. Standing by while he beats his wife is not protecting him. Even tough they were too cowardly to intervene on Amber’s behalf, they had a responsibility to stop Johnny from committing a very serious crime.

      • joan says:

        I’m surprised no one had their phone out taping this.

        Or security cameras in the condo.

        The narrative says he yelled at her but then she has a black eye and there’s no narrative describing that. Odd.

      • Samtha says:

        @Joan, did you actually read the file? It absolutely (and thoroughly) describes how the black eye occurred. And almost every website that’s reported on the issue has explained it as well. Your comment is very odd.

      • DrM says:

        Nothing like misogyny from other women. Well done @joan. Your comment makes me sick.

      • Amanduh says:

        @ DRM : as a woman, we can’t even QUESTION whether another woman is telling the truth??!!! You just automatically yell, “Misogyny!!! anti-feminist!!! You’re a slaaaave to the patriarchy!!!” and that’s that??! Kind of bullish!t of you ask me. You can believe in equality and still question someone’s accusations…

      • sauvage says:

        @ Amanduh: With two witnesses and a black eye, you still question this being the truth, yet you call this a battle of “feminist” versus “antifeminist”? I don’t get it.

      • Amanduh says:

        Yeah, I would. Unless someone saw the phone hit her in the eye (or however she got it) then yes, I would question that. If there were witnesses to the other abuse, then yes, he’s guilty. But in a battle of he said she said, I don’t think it’s automatically misogynist to question whether the woman is telling the truth. What would we call someone who questions a man in the same situation? Inquisitive? Skeptical?

    • Emma33 says:

      I read through those documents a few hours ago, and that part about his security staff was what struck me the most. It speaks volumes to the Hollywood culture. I was also wondering about the legal ramifications of just standing by while you are watching someone beat another person (and have more than enough physical skills and ability to stop it). Is that legal?

      • EM says:

        It depends on the jurisdiction. In some jurisdictions, there is no duty for bystanders to step in.

    • Eleonor says:

      I agree.
      The bodyguard thing gives me chill.
      I know it’s your boss, but that woman could be your daughter one day, or your sister, and you do nothing. Are you a human being or what ?

      • Debi says:

        I wonder what would have happened if the friend was not there! Security would have just sat there while he beat the hell outta her. Its all about money and they didnt want to possibly lose their jobs if they stepped in!

    • Emily says:

      Yes, that line “Boss, please”….just says it all about this, doesn’t it?

      • Mrs. Odie says:

        To me, that detail clinched it. That’s how fearful everyone was. A star as big as Johnny can do literally anything. But his security detail pleading with him and this specific language is persuasive to me. If a person were lying, they wouldn’t have something this specific, or they’d make up something that sounded less reasonable.

      • Cannibell says:

        Spoke volumes about what that security team has seen (and not done) prior, didn’t it?

      • DrM says:

        @Mrs Odie – well gee, I guess the pictures of her face aren’t convincing enough? Or witnesses? This is actually sickening to me. When this first came out the majority of comments on this site and others (to say nothing of the Daily Mail) called her all sorts of names. None of which I’ll repeat. The biggest charge was that she filed 2 days after his mother died. Well turns out there was a very good reason why and she tried to settle this quietly. Should she get money? Damn rights she should. And as for Mr Depp he can just **** right off as far as I’m concerned. Shame on all of you who were slagging Ms Heard.

    • Colette says:

      What kind of charges? There is no law where you have to intervene during an assault.

      • Lady D says:

        Can’t believe it needs to be a law.

      • Jane says:

        But aren’t these guys hired to protect their “boss?” Doesn’t protection include keeping him from doing harm to his wife?

      • Maxime DuCamp says:

        As someone mentioned upthread, I believe that some jurisdictions have “bystander laws.” It doesn’t mean that the person has to put themselves in danger by intervening but that they should at least call the police if they are witnessing an attack.

      • Bread and Circuses says:

        No, what these guys did wasn’t illegal in any way.

        It’s just so disappointing that people trained to stop violent attacks wouldn’t, as citizens, step in to stop a violent attack, especially one they were probably well-equipped to deal with, with a minimum of injury to all involved.

      • SMDRN66 says:

        It depends on the state and locality. You never have a duty to physically jump in, but you can be held accountable for standing around doing nothing. Or for failure to call the police. But no where is there any law that requires a bystander to intervene. Forget about the legal side of it, what about the moral and ethical side? That says a lot about a person’s character, or lack thereof, who stands around and does nothing while someone is getting verbally and physically abused.

        I lost all respect for Johnny Depp years ago. Anyone who speaks poorly about his country, especially a country that made him a millionaire and famous, while there are troops in harms’ way, is a POS. I respect other people’s opinions, but there is a time and place for expressing them publicly. When Americans criticize our government and speak out against an active war, they put our troops in more danger. What a big man Depp is to criticize when he speaks in safety and has never once put himself at risk for others. He should have stayed in France. I don’t know Amber, but I believe her. It’s like the women who were afraid to speak out against Bill Cosby. It’s like when Woody Allen’s own daughter was dismissed for her allegations that he molested her. And it’s like the Hollywood pedophiles who continue to get away with child rape because the actors are afraid to speak up.

    • Alex says:

      This has made me sick. What looked like a cash grab from a callous person has now turned into a story of survival. Honestly the more details that come out the worse it gets. The fact that she’s been trying to protect their reputations from a media circus just shows how battered women will protect their abusers to the end. And I already know people won’t believe her because of our culture of trying to protect rapists and abusers.

      I stand with Amber.

      • Melly says:

        What’s really sad is in a year, no one will remember this. If his next movie does well in the box office, all will be forgiven. Hollywood is already trying to protect Depp.

      • Jane says:

        Yep. Me too.

      • Bread and Circuses says:

        Me three.

      • Mgsota says:

        @Alex completely agree. Johnny Depp has been my celebrity crush for 20+ years. I thought he was so talented and gorgeous (not recently) and that Amber was just using him for fame and money…and now…my God. I feel terrible for her. It sounds like he thinks he’s a God and will have no repercussions for his terrible actions. He’s an arrogant piece of sh*t who’s a monster and I hope this ruins him. I hope Amber can get through this and come out the other side stronger. F*ck you Johnny Depp!

      • M.A.F. says:

        I don’t think Alice was projected to make money since it’s a movie no one has asked for but it will for sure take a hit.

      • Birdy says:

        Me too

      • Megan says:

        The celebs rushing to defend him also make me sick. Mickey Rourke and Paul Bettany should be ashamed of themselves.

      • mary simon says:

        @Alex I’m glad you said this is making me (you) sick. I feel like it’s making me sick. I am literally kind of sad and depressed since this all broke. I realized it today – I’ve been feeling down and there hasn’t been anything out of the ordinary happening with me – except for kind of obsessing about this Amber story. I’ve left no stone unturned reading about it, and why?

        Because, like many women who have commented here, I have been a victim of DV, and I think I realized today that this has been stirring up some bad feelings and memories – feelings, mostly, not images, which is why I didn’t realize why I’ve been so sad. Feelings about the way people, sometimes even people who have actually heard or witnessed something, deny your story or try to insinuate that you are exaggerating or that you are responsible in some way. The cold, uncaring ineptitude of the authorities. The fear. How cruel people can be. I can’t believe the absolutely vicious things they are saying about Amber on Daily Mail, and plenty of other sites, and the blind defense of Johnny.

        I can’t even go over to Daily Mail right now to look at other stories. I can’t think about what’s going on over there – from the anti-Amber, pro-Johnny bias of the Daily Mail to the horrible comments of the posters. I truly feel for Amber, who made a big mistake getting involved with Johnny, but the punishment doesn’t fit the crime here – it certainly doesn’t warrant abuse, and it’s just wrong in the strongest sense of the word.

        And let’s not forget there was something in it for Johnny the Hollywood Vampire – he got a very pretty young woman to use and to suck the life force out of – which apparently, he has been doing just that. He’s also been feeding on her fear and suffering.

        The only fair and thoughtful commentary I have found regarding this drama, has been here at Celebitchy. You are an oasis in a sea of sludge. Thank you to everyone for that. Honestly, there are so many sensitive, knowledgeable, and reasonable people commenting here – and very witty when the occasion calls for it. But this story is heavy and the way it keeps escalating is disturbing. I fear there are more bad things to come. I feel a sense of dread.

        When the news of Amber filing so soon after Johnny’s mother’s death broke it looked like the beginning of a long, juicy divorce saga so many of us were expecting the second we heard they were getting married. Boy did that get ugly fast – and all the disbelief and vitriol directed at Amber is just sick. I used to criticize her a lot, too, and I may still even hold some of those opinions, but I snapped out of bitch mode pretty quickly when I learned of the abuse.

        Even on Daily Mail, after their article wherein they published the filing docs – all the comments continued to savage Amber as a liar and defend Johnny. I don’t understand how anyone could read that document and not at the very least consider that something terrible happened and Amber might be telling the truth – there are a minimum of four witnesses, and maybe more security guys within earshot. I have not seen a single post over there that’s even remotely fair, let alone sympathetic, to Amber. People are just hell bent on hammering Amber regardless of the facts. I wonder how
        much of this awful stuff is coming from Johnny’s Hollywood troll brigade.

        I think about Amber’s visit to the court or police station, whatever it was. What a stressful, humiliating and all around awful day that must have been, and to have the whole world watching and not in a sympathetic way. She looked so drained, and then falling apart in the privacy of the car with her friends was a very natural response. Been there, done that.

        I just hope that video is nice and clear. If Johnny was willing to pay Amber off over the cellphone bruise attack, he might be very interested to purchase that video for a lot more than “lite spousal support”. Personally, I would love to see Amber resist the bribe and either sell it for a fortune to some rag
        or just leak the thing somehow and expose the motherfucker for what he is. Easy for me to say, I know. What woman would want a video of herself being beaten by her husband out there for the whole world to see? Her choice. I just hope she stays safe, and that things are resolved in her favor.

      • LAK says:

        Megan: Mickey Rourke is the worst possible character witness ever given he was infamous for abusing his girlfriends and wives. Honestly, if i were Depp, i’d try to get better character witnesses or tell the publicly known abusers to shut up.

    • BritAfrica says:

      So in a room with some 4-5 people in it – most of them men, it took a WOMAN to stand in front of a thug to prevent him from killing another woman who was cowering on the floor petrified for her life??

      WOW! Really big men that they are. Their wives/daughters/nieces will be so proud!

      • Jane says:

        Yes, often it does take another woman.

      • Shannon says:

        This was my experience with my roommate being beaten by her boyfriend. They had 5 friends over, 4 of them men, all sitting in my living room listening to him hitting her. I’m the one who whipped the door open and ended it, at risk to my own life. But that is not going down in MY house, no way.

      • JIll says:

        Ugh esp his bodyguard. the people on his payroll

      • Susan says:

        About 15 years ago, I intervened in a similar situation (but elder abuse) where *numerous* men did nothing. I was waiting on the pickup level at SFO airport and sitting at a bench with our luggage while my boyfriend went and got the car out of long-term parking. It was a very busy time and the sidewalk was packed. I was sitting next to an elderly Chinese couple who did not speak English. What I can only presume was their son then started to berate and scream at them in Chinese and proceeded to hit them both (father and mother) about the head and shoulders, HARD. He would repeatedly apply the heel of his hand to the back of the old man’s head. There were men and other women ALL AROUND and not one person other than me even voiced a word. I meanwhile stood up and shouted loudly in that guy’s face and placed myself in front of them. The abuser was a little twerp and I’m not exactly small so that did help but obviously if there was a weapon, I would have been in trouble. But I couldn’t watch a little old lady and man get beaten up and do nothing!

        As soon as I intervened, the guy backed down and left for a little bit. Sadly the old couple didn’t speak English and all I could do was put my arm around the woman and try and comfort them for the next 10 minutes. I tried to communicate we could get the police but nothing worked. Sadly, this ended in a van pulling up to the curb and the elderly couple got in with the abuser. I’ve never been so depressed at witnessing something as seeing an old couple beat up in public and no one doing anything.

      • HeatherAnn says:

        No kidding. What a dead on observation.

      • Keaton says:

        Yes That stood out to me too. Thank goodness for her. I have so much respect for that woman.

    • isabelle says:

      …or forced at least testify in the case. It would put the nail in his coffin.

    • saras says:

      Both Amber and J.D. are known messes having an equally sloppy split. It is great that people here are against violence so if anything its helping raise awareness. What is amusing is the fighting that is really intense online that in person would likely lead to violence. Very hippocritical and unhealthy. Everyone needs to chill out and the truth will come out in court between the parties involved.

    • mila says:

      he still has huge support all over the world. are people mad? i do not like Heard, but darn it, he should be in prison.
      his fans are awful, blind and obviously not very bright. victim blaming at its finest.

    • Ambersux says:

      Sadly I dont beleive her. She says he tries to pay her hush money, if thats true she wpuld have taken it. Shes money hungry, 50k a month in spousal support? I dont beleive her, sorry nope nadda

  2. Lahdidahbaby says:

    Jesus, CB, I’m so glad you’re covering this so extensively here. Depp has his press and legal minions out in droves, and this at least will give a fair and truthful public airing of what happened. I do not envy Amber Heard what she is going to go through as a result of defending herself against such a wealthy, famous, and beloved (still by some) public figure.

    • Pinky says:

      Seems to me that Amber is going to win the PR war because she’s got so many witnesses. And sadly, that’s often the only time abuse victims are believed. But even then they get discredited and vilified, especially by the abuser’s family/team. This has gotten ugly really fast, but Amber seems to have been dealing with this for well over six months.

      I am curious if Depp was like this before they got married (abusive and/or just out-of-his-mind stoned or paranoid)–could that have had anything to do with her cold feet? And if Paradis saw this side of him? Did all or any of his past women just cover for him to protect his reputation? Man-child needs more protection than the woman he beats, at least as far as protection from the media is concerned. Yuck.


      • Lahdidahbaby says:

        I’ve wondered the same things, Pinky, and honestly, I think there has probably been prior behavior of this sort with Winona Ryder and Kate Moss, but no one who has been abused wants to reveal it publicly and then go through the accusations Amber is already getting, and I think well-known abusers count on that.

      • Anonymous says:

        If he was this abusive with Vanessa Paradis, I wonder if she ever said anything to Amber about it? Don’t misunderstand me — I am NOT saying that if Paradis told Amber to stay away, Amber would have listened; nor am I saying that it was Paradis’s responsibility to ensure that Amber didn’t get involved with him. Amber is a grown woman and we all have to make our own decisions. But I ask the question because my mom was married to an emotionally/verbally abusive man for many years, and after he passed away, she had a long conversation with his daughter, who told her how abusive he’d been to his first wife. My mom couldn’t understand why his daughter never warned her about him when they met, and she spent the next few years really struggling with the knowledge that people KNEW how abusive he was, but never said anything to her. She wasn’t blaming them for “letting” her marry a known asshole, but she couldn’t help thinking that if somebody had at least warned her what she might be getting into, it may have made a difference.

      • Miss S says:

        @Pinky, read this interview:

        “He said that when he used to get in fights, he was ‘a dirty fighter. Oh, yeah. The dirtiest ever. Stop at nothing. Balls, sucker punch, bite the ear, pull the ear, gouge an eye out. I have done damage, and damage has been done to me. I’ve been hit with everything in the world: ashtrays, bottles, a pointy-toed Tony Lama boot to the face.’
        He went on: ‘I still have a hellish temper. It’s diminished a little, but rage is still never very far away.'”


        “The same imagination that served him so well in the movies messed up his personal life. He was jealous beyond words. ‘Oh boy. Oh fuck. I was a professional at it. Oh, the scenarios I dreamed up. Oh fuck. Oh. I mean, world-class. I was. I could see ink pens on the desk, and hairbrushes, and oh, fuck…'”

      • Saks says:

        I don’t doubt Winona and Kate might have lived similar experiences with him. Maybe he didn’t even touched them, but terrorized them emotionally and psychologically.

        Sadly most of DV victims won’t come foward, and who can blame them. Honestly, just look at how the people behave as if it was your fault.

      • Pinky says:

        Thanks, @Miss S, for the link. Very interesting. It sounds like he’s been volatile, paranoid, and violent for a very long time and counted on Paradis to talk him down and keep him in check. Once he ditched her and his sobriety for Heard, all bets were off.

        From the article: His imagination can still get the better of him, but these days it mainly revolves around his kids, whenever one of them sneezes and the what-ifs begin to suggest dire consequences. ‘There’s been many times when I’ve teetered on the brink of absolute madness,’ he said, ‘and unfortunately, once I go, I go, so I count on Vanessa to talk me down. And it does take some serious f*cking reeling in to bring me back to three-dimensional reality. But it’s not anywhere near as disturbing as it used to be. With age, you do mellow in certain areas.’


      • Capepopsie says:

        I’m sure he has been like this all along.
        Imagine if all the previos women
        Stepped forward to Ambers support!

      • siri says:

        @Capepopsie: I had the very same fantasy- wouldn’t that be wonderful? But I suppose it will just stay that- a fantasy. nevertheless, the support for her on this site is good to see.

    • BRE says:

      It seems like nowadays, if there isn’t video tape evidence of abuse then it didn’t happen.

      • Lahdidahbaby says:

        Sadly, you’re right – and abusers count on that.

      • ol cranky says:

        hell, even if you have video, sometimes people say the victim “deserved it” depending on who the perpetrator is

      • Miss S says:

        And his side will try to destroy the witnesses credibility because they are friends of Amber:/

    • Greenieweenie says:

      Do we all feel bad now, for dumping on her, haha….? I feel for her, but you have to wonder why she married him in the first place if his drug and alcohol addiction was so recognizable. I think there was a liiiiiiitttle gold digging involved (or if not, then a lot of naïveté) but she got in over her head and found herself in a bad situation. At least she can say Johnny brought the attention on himself by refusing to settle. He deserves it! Sounds like he’s had it coming for years.

      you know who else has a face full of long-term substance abuse problems? Ray Liotta. Not so high profile but man, that guy has aged badly.

      • Lena says:

        She was very young, grew up with his movies, so maybe more a case of being a bit star struck?

      • Kitten says:

        I don’t think she’s a gold digger and I never did. I feel bad for defending Johnny’s character though. I always say that we never truly know what actors are like behind closed doors and I should have followed my own advice on this one.

        The part about his security guards…wow. That’s almost like a mafia/gang style ambush…how scary.

      • Myrna says:

        I think that there must have been a bit of being star struck mixed in with her reasons for marrying him…and possibly an opportunistic move as well.

        I’m one who had her all wrong and it’s been an eye opener for sure.
        How awful the abuse while those – paid for protection…everyone’s protection…do nothing.
        I hope she presses charges against them.

        What an old fool…an icon whose legacy will be of wife beating, coke and alcohol addition.

      • Miss S says:

        Everybody says she knew he was like this and that when they met he was already going downhill. That’s not really accurate, they met in 2011 and he was with Paradis. They got together a year or so after and if you look for those images Depp doesn’t look anything like a drunk. On his good side he must be very sweet and charming, and even interesting, I don’t doubt that at all. If fans are finding so hard to accept the possibility of Depp’s alleged behaviour, imagine what someone who knows his good side intimately must feel, how confusing it must be. I’m not going to say that he is a monster, that’s just the b&w narrative. And she a gold digger? If so, why wasn’t she so keen on marrying him? It doesn’t make sense at all.

      • GreenieWeenie says:

        I saw some pics elsewhere, and it looked like they got together ca 2009 or so when they were filming Rum Diary? If so, she would’ve only been 24. It’s easier to see how she might’ve been pretty naive, especially since he’s so much older. We tend to think she’s 30 and they just got married 15 months ago but looks like it’s not quite the case…

        I don’t mean straight up gold digger after nothing but money. But the way she’s talked about the roles she thinks should be hers…Idk. A little out of touch with her own level of accomplishment, which makes you think about how she sees herself. I don’t doubt that fame played a role in her attraction to him. She’s not shy about preening on a red carpet next to him. Makes you wonder how much of their whole relationship was just Johnny’s F-you to Vanessa?

        Too bad she hasn’t filed criminal charges, because Johnny could use a change of scene.

      • Godiva says:

        I understand why gold digging comes to mind for some, but please consider this: If you have a dependent personality, an abusive person is the most attractive person you’ll ever meet. The character traits that repel most non-dependent people, such as emotional instability, lacking ability to maintain healthy relations with other people, addiction ( which often comes along with being abusive), and of course the actual abusive behavior towards yourself, draw in a dependent personality type, like you wouldn’t believe. Your mind is conditioned to feeling safe around people like this, because as you learn to survive around their anger, they become somewhat predictable to you, and the relation feeds into the profound lack of self esteem you feel. And as the people around you give up on getting through to you, you finally find yourself completely consumed by the abuser’s needs and demands, and any feeling of self or idea about how YOU feel about things, independent of the abuser, it all just disappears. Johnny’s wealth is so beside the point. When you are a dependent, you feel like you can help that person. So if all of this is true, I seriously doubt that Amber was ever interested in his money. If she is a dependent, she would have been much more interested in his pathologies.

      • isabelle says:

        Ever been in your 20s? Most of us have a lot of regrets about the men we dated in our 20s and yet we stayed with them. There is a reason most women in their 40s don’t marry these type of men.

      • K2 says:

        Victim-blaming. Just don’t, please.

      • what's inside says:


      • Miffy says:

        Not really. I still think she’s f*cking insufferable and absolutely thought she scored herself a relationship (an A-lister already in a relationship, no less! Every Jolie wannabes fantasy!) But BUT it doesn’t matter, absolutely no one deserves abuse at the hands of anyone much less their spouse or partner.

      • Mich says:

        Abusers can be very charming. Add in that he is one of the biggest stars in the world and many women who would like to think they would know better could be lulled into their world.

      • Bonbons says:

        In this context I really don’t this is victim-blaming. . .OP is asking a legitimate question that most people lucky enough to have never encountered any kind of abuse ask, as a recovering victim myself I’ve found that sometimes it isn’t out of spite but genuine curiosity.

        What I really want to say though is this– let’s please stop acting like being abused and being a person of questionable morals are mutually exclusive. You can think she was a gold digger with particular motives for being with him, and it doesn’t make her less of a victim. I only say this because there has been some legitimate criticism leveled at her in the past, and whitewashing all that away is only perpetuating the stereotypes of what an abuse victim “should look like.” Don’t reduce who she is to shoehorn her into that image, it does her and all other victims a disservice.

        It can happen to ANYONE, good or bad, rich or poor, beautiful or homely, educated or not, successful or not, strong or submissive, and it does, but it doesn’t matter because not a single one of them deserves it. Ever. We need to start shifting the narrative in this direction so that every victim can be believed. Including Amber. #IstandwithAmber

    • minx says:

      “Boss, please?” GMAFB!

      • aims says:

        That pisses me off too.. what point does it have to get too before his goons step in?

        I will never watch another Johnny Depp movie again. I refuse to support a woman beater.

    • PandaCookie says:

      Agree, thank you for giving a persistent voice to this CB. I’m relieved to see all the supportive comments for Amber as well.

    • isabelle says:

      Kudos, well said! I found myself only reading CB for gossip. It has ruined the other sites for me.

  3. bunny ears says:

    Good grief. I don’t read CB for a day and this case just blew up like crazy.

    I was on the fence at first about this whole thing, but I didn’t expect DV to be the catalyst for this marriage’s breakdown. I just perused the whole court doc, and it’s seriously turning my stomach and making me really freaked out at what happened.

    Poor woman. I hope she’s safe with a good support group and far, far away from Depp’s grasp now.

  4. Hibitta says:

    I do not believe her.

    • Lahdidahbaby says:

      Well then, you also do not believe a lot of other people who witnessed it. And you are exactly what she has to fear. You are why so many of us don’t ever tell a soul what someone widely known and respected has done to us behind closed doors.

      • Petrichor says:

        Never mind behind closed doors. I’m currently involved in a workplace harassment complaint, and I’ve already lost the respect and friendship of colleagues who witnessed the harassment (which has occurred for years *in full view*) simply because I filed the complaint. Apparently it’s better to suffer in silence than to rock the boat.

        I feel for Amber. It takes great strength of character to speak out, especially in a situation like hers where she knows she’s going to be vilified.

      • thecatpriest says:

        Her friends and their fiances are hardly impartial. Is it a huge leap to expect someone to lie for a friend? How do you explain the photos away where the bruise comes and goes and comes back? The police report stating there were no injuries? What VIP rides in the middle of the back seat, which conveniently allowed the paps to catch her suddenly crying.

        Most of the evidence is in his favor. This reeks of a PR push to get the public against him so he has to give her what she wants.

    • siri says:

      There are witnesses, and she named them.

      • Lalalaw says:

        And at least one of her witnesses filed a sworn declaration, meaning the witness could face perjury charges. Sorry, but this is pretty open and shut as far as restraining order cases go. Very few victims have corroborating evidence this solid.

    • Greenieweenie says:

      Good thing your belief has zero bearing on the judgment of what happened, then, because the court obviously does to some degree.

    • Snappyfish says:

      I do believe her and I have never been a fan of hers.

      • minx says:


      • mary simon says:

        Same, here, too. Not a fan of hers, but I believe her and wish her well. She did not deserve to be beaten and terrorized.

      • I Choose Me says:

        Yup. I still think she’s spoiled, entitled and a terrible actress but I one hundred percent believe her.

    • EM says:

      There are witnesses, each witness will have to testify and if they commit perjury, it is a serious offence on itself so I doubt that three people (her friends) will lie and I doubt an entire security team will lie.

    • Megan says:

      Please don’t feed the trolls.

    • Jane says:

      You don’t have to believe her. No one is asking you to believe her. There are many witnesses who are going to have to live with the fact that it took another woman, who also sustained injuries, to pull him away. Meanwhile his testosterone pumped security team watched from the sidelines. So, you don’t have to believe her. It’s not just her story.

    • Melly says:

      Just look at the TMZ pole, most people don’t believe her. It’s really sad that a woman can have bruising, witnesses, and sworn declarations and still be called a liar. She had to know that this would happen, that makes her decision to divorce him and call out his behavior even more brave. I hope she takes him to the cleaners in court.

    • isabelle says:

      You don’t need to beleive her but if you are a woman should be upset a bit about how other gossip sites doubt her. Wait for the facts to come out before doubting her story and as of right now she has multiple witnesses. What else do you need besides a room full of people?

    • Carmen says:

      You don’t believe the eyewitnesses either?

      • mary simon says:

        Almost all of the comments on Daily Mail are absolutely vicious against her, even after the filing documents were released naming eye-witnesses. Many people simply do not want to believe her, regardless of the evidence.

    • jinglebellsmell says:

      You mean, you don’t believe THEM, because she is not the only one who is claiming what happened.

    • Mika says:

      I don’t either. I believe this is a a good con set up with IO Tillet Wright for a cash grab.

    • Izzy says:

      Lemme guess, you also don’t believe in climate change or vaccines… or anything else with actual proof to back it up.

  5. LadyJane says:

    In my head, Johnny as Ed Wood (the eccentric, gentle and misunderstood genius with a penchant for the taboo) has died. What a waste. I hope Amber is able to move on and be happy and safe, away from this man.

    • Kitten says:

      Same. I haven’t been a fan for years but was clinging to the residual nostalgia leftover from his glory days. Now I feel nothing but disappointment and disgust.

      • tiny martian says:

        Same here. The old Johnny is dead. This new Johnny deserves to be put in jail. That’s all I’ve got.

      • Megan says:

        I hope Johnny doesn’t get off easy by checking himself into rehab and blaming his violence on booze and drugs. He has committed serious crimes and continues to be a threat to others. He belongs in jail.

      • Bettyrose says:

        When JD and Vanessa split and he took up with an ingenue, I was already rethinking my opinion of him. I didn’t know he was physically abusive, but he was starting to give off a very controlling, insecure vibe. I guess aging in Hollywood can be hard on men too. But JD was always a hot head who’d badmouth projects he felt were beneath him. He’s an ego monster who’s now older, richer, and more powerful than ever.

      • paleokifaru says:

        THIS @Megan! I am so sick of celebrities avoiding the appropriate, or any, punishment for their crimes.

      • Tammy says:

        Amber only obtained a restraining order, she did not press charges. And yes, you can get one without doing the other. So I doubt there will be any punishment unless he is charged with something and even then that will be debatable.

      • Kitten says:

        I hope he gets the same punishment that any non-celebrity would get, but if she doesn’t press charges I’m not sure what that would be. I don’t really agree with locking addicts in jail though, I think treatment is the most effective way to help. That being said, violent abusers should face criminal consequences.

      • bunny ears says:

        I never understood why people liked Johnny Depp. He seemed like such a hot mess in the Pirates franchise (those are the only movies I’ve seen with him in it).

        Then I watched an old special from the Vicar of Dibley with him (it was from the 90s I think) as the guest start and I went “oh now I get it!”

        This thing just seems like a whole cluster****.

    • M.A.F. says:

      That Johnny died the moment he became a pirate. I think the last good role he had was Finding Neverland. This Johnny I don’t recognize.

  6. Samtha says:

    The whole account is terrifying. And for those of you who still doubt, she names several names of witnesses, including, as mentioned, Johnny’s bodyguard, as well as a mutual friend who she’d called to try to calm Johnny down. She would not name so many witnesses if it were not the truth.

    • Lahdidahbaby says:

      Exactly right, Samtha, but even in the face of such well-documented witness by several people, there will still be those like the poster a couple of spots above you who refuses to believe Depp did such a thing. Fame gives abusers license to abuse, and I hate to think what Amber Heard faces because of Depp’s status and the many who will refuse to believe her, even with multiple witnesses.

      • Saks says:

        For me this is the biggest point for believing in her, there is no way she is winning anything material-monetary worthy out of this. He is powerful, so her career is probably over, and yet she went forward with this, for her security and dignity.

        FTR I believe her. Because of my own family experience, I’ll always believe the victim.

    • Eleonor says:

      The bodyguard thing gives me chill.
      I know it’s your boss, but that woman could be your daughter one day, or your sister, and you do nothing. Are you a human being or what ?

      • Emily says:

        That was chilling. And though it sounds cold to say…pulling your boss off of his wife and telling him to calm down somewhere is protecting him, too, in a way, so why didn’t they AT LEAST do that?

      • siri says:

        That bodyguard might be more of a disciple…very worrisome.

      • isabelle says:

        Know someone that worked for Depp & Vanessa. He was one of their drivers. He said they paid very well and were good employers. Nice family, Depp though was ‘erratic’ sometimes. He may simply pay well and isn’t as bad as some of the other privileged people in Hollywood. The dude probably wants to keep his job and sided with the person that pays him.

  7. Gabby says:

    This is SO sad. During their entire marriage this girl was completely atacked and percieved as a gold digger, homewrecker and enabler.
    Sure, she could also be those things, but no one ever saw her as a victim. She was the reason why the great, handsome, perfect Depp was spiraling.
    We all saw what we wanted to see, and treated Johnny like he was the blind-by-love or lust, midlife crisis poor victim.

    To know now what she went through breaks my heart. Nobody deserves that. EVER. I wish her friends had tried to convince her to leave him before, maybe they did, or leaked something to the press, so she didnt have to spend the last six months in terror, but she probably believed in the abuser’s empty promisses of change, like so many women do.

    I hope she gets the help she needs, and support. And that johnny gets punished by law accordingly, and the public never forget this.

    • laura says:

      +1 to all you said Gabby. I always thought she married a man in a mid life crisis to further her career. I commented previously that I didn’t get why or how she could be entitled to anything after such a short marriage. Now I get it. She will be vilified for this and he will probably get a massive pass because “he’s Johnny”. This is why abused partners don’t necessarily want to come forward, if this is what a famous woman gets for outing an abuser then what hope do ordinary folk have? So sad.

      • Lahdidahbaby says:

        Great post and great points, Laura. What chance indeed would an unknown woman have in this situation. And even as well known as Amber is, she is still going to suffer dearly for having exposed the clay feet of a man who is so many people’s hero.

      • Bettyrose says:

        Laura, agreed. I’ve gone through the same change in opinion the last 24 hours. I scoffed at spousal support because in general I oppose it. I’d rather see women fight for equal pay than spousal support (when there are no children involved, I mean) so it wasn’t personal against Amber. But this was no ordinary marriage. The power difference and financial disparity when paired with documented abuse, she’s entitled to compensation from his vast estate for what she’s about to endure in legal proceedings.

      • Melly says:

        At first I scoffed at the idea of Amber getting spousal support for such a short marriage, but now all of that has changed. She has publicly outed an A-list celebrity as an abuser. She will likely never get a role in a good movie again. Her career is pretty much over. Hollywood protects their golden boys, no matter what. This is hardly the worst thing an A-list celebrity has done. She deserves spousal support for the loss of income she will most definitely have from the fall out of publicly damaging Depp. Why didn’t Depp jump on the opportunity to settle this out of court?? Depp and his people are dumb as a bag of rocks. Sadly, this will not end his career. In time people will forget and forgive. He’ll just do some charity work and a “I’m a changed man” publicity tour.

      • paleokifaru says:

        I really don’t believe in spousal support for most circumstances and especially when there are no children and/or it was such a short marriage. So I’m still not sure I support it in this case. That said, I absolutely believe he should be paying all her legal fees given that his substance abuse and abuse of her are major factors in needing the divorce. I was also amazed at the way Wasser worded the response to make it sound like AH was immediately trying to get half of JD’s properties. She absolutely deserves the basic security of knowing she has a home and car that he’s not going anywhere near and won’t stop payments or insurance for until the full agreement is settled.

      • Dlo says:

        My ex tried to kill me and his Mother was like, ah com on it wasn’t that bad was it?. Yep she was a walking talking rectum

    • Alix says:

      Good point. She might be a gold digger after all, but she doesn’t seem so ice cold now, does she? No one deserves this. Hope he pays for this, big time.

      And yeah, his security team can rot in hell.

    • SilkyMalice says:

      I always saw the relationship for what it was. I’m thankful she has good friends who would throw themselves between her and Johnny, and am appalled at his security. She was always the one trying to take care of him, and truly loved him. I doubt he knows how to love.

    • annaloo. says:

      The power dynamic was always in Johnny’s advantage. You have to think that some people – when they get to this point – begin to lose boundaries of how to treat others. Depp is going the way of Cosby: I can never look at Edward Scissorhands the same again.

      • Melly says:

        Im not defending Depp AT ALL, but there is a big difference between what he did and what Cosby did. Both are disgusting men, but Cosby is on his own level of repulsive.

    • MrsBPitt says:

      I do believe that she married JD for whatever she thought he could do for her career, and the money wasn’t bad either. However, NO ONE should be abused for any reason, and JD is no longer a movie star, but an abusive asshole…

    • HEAVE HO says:

      At some point I decided that my default will be to always believe a woman who’s accused a man of crimes against her, because from early on I absorbed the subconsciously learned reaction to question and judge and reject her claims harshly, but once it happened to me I realized how that learned reaction makes it incredibly easy for men to get away with just about anything and that men who do bad things often know this, it’s like a sick secret handshake they walk around with.

      • Illyra says:

        So even if your own father, son, brother or close male friend was accused of abuse you’d *automatically* believe the female accuser? Even if based on all you knew about him, he would NEVER EVER do something like that? Ouch.

      • HEAVE HO says:

        The ” but he would never ever do that” mentality of an abuser’s close community is exactly the thing that lets men get away with crimes against women. For example: there are around 17 million women in the US who have been raped. I’m sure a huge proportion of the rapists were/are “really nice guys” in their loved ones eyes who “would never ever do that.” I didn’t say I would never believe a man, but when it’s a he-said she-said, I realize now there is a very strong bias to believe him and doubt her and that is just plain wrong.

      • Lady Amalthea says:

        Thank you for this, HH. I, too, reached a point where I decided to always default to believing the woman (or man) claiming abuse or rape. Part of this was a decade of volunteer work with DV and rape victims, part of it was growing older and wiser, and part of it was unfortunate personal experience.

        As for Illyra’s straw man question re: not believing a friend/family member accused of abuse…as HH said, there are a lot of people whose loved ones actually ARE abusers, rapists, child molesters, etc. And chances are that those loved ones did see signs (or outright know) and either denied it or didn’t put the whole picture together until the accusation. I personally have friends and family members about whom I would be very, very hard-pressed to believe such accusations, but also have friends/acquaintances and family members whom I would believe as most likely culpable.

        I used to love Johnny Depp, back when I was young and self-destructive and thought dark, angry, intense anti-heroes were the sexiest men in the world. And the years since then have taught me that such men are sexiest *at a distance*. Like a crush on a movie star. Like Amber Heard most likely had, at 24. Those Byronic, charismatic dark souls aren’t so sexy once you have to live with them. Those demons that seemed so intriguing when he was just talking about them are actually terrifying when you’re faced with their reality.

        To be fair, I’ve still always liked Johnny Depp, from what I knew previously. But I personally had no doubt that he probably did what Amber accused him of, right away from hearing about her allegations, because it makes complete sense to me (just given what I know about him) that he would be a controlling, rage-filled, volatile partner who became dangerously more so when under the influence of cocaine and alcohol. And then, to that already-nasty situation, add the age, power, and financial imbalance of their marriage, and I can only imagine what kind of hell Amber went through. (And, to be fair, Johnny too. Nothing excuses his behavior, but he’s obviously in emotional hell, as well. Even abusers are human beings just trying to get through life.)

        I’m glad that Amber is speaking up and getting out, for her own sake, and I hope that in doing so she also can inspire others and remind them that they’re not alone.

    • K2 says:

      So good to read this comment. The stan attacks on this woman are seriously disturbing – she is so very evidently a genuine victim. I don’t know how anyone can argue differently, given the evidence above.

    • imqrious2 says:

      +1000 to all you said, Gabby and Laura. Sadly, I, too, thought she was an opportunist gold-digger, from the little I knew about her at the beginning of their relationship. After finding out all this information, I feel ashamed for jumping to conclusions.

      NO one should have to be abused by a system that’s supposed to protect victims. NO ONE should have to have “tape” or “pictures” or else “it didn’t happen”. And that “Boss, please” sent shivers down my spine SMH Would they’ve stood by, saying “Boss, please” as he brought that champagne magnum down on her head?? I really hope that this SOB is finally going to have some consequences for his actions, but sadly, this is Hollywood, where there’s one set of rules for the plebs, and one set for celebrity.

      I agree with others here that are saying her career is pretty much over, save some small parts, if that. Hollywood does protect its Golden Balls (that typo stays! lol). Hell, look at Cosby and what he got away with for over 30 years! Modeling agencies were STILL sending him women up to the year 2000!! They HAD to know what they were sending the women into; how could they not??

      Excuse me now; I need to take a very long, hot shower and try and scrub all this off.

      • norah says:

        The thing is as what has been said – amber’s career in hollywood is over – and i wd find it puzzling for her to go through all this publically just for the heck of it. on the off chance she may get $ – what i notice though is that her eyes before her marriage and during and now are so different. She was more alive pre depp and at all the times she was with him she looked anxious/insecure/scared esp during that apology interview – maybe i am reading too much into her expressions but she just didnt look happy at all. Perhaps she sd not have married him but maybe she thought things wd improve etc

    • isabelle says:

      Always keep an eye out if there is a big age difference. Guess that was our first clue.

      • norah says:

        i dont think one can say abt age difference in hw though – it all depends on the marriage and the people themselves – like celion dion was married to someone years older for more than 20 years – she may not be in hollywood but it all depends on the people

  8. OnTheRocks says:

    I don’t believe her either. Why is she asking for money then ?
    The story wasnt going her way and all of a sudden she is a victim of abuse ?! That will win her some cookie points.
    People shouldnt take at face value everything they hear.
    I dont know him but she is clearly trying to get money here. And putting on a show. Who can deny that ????

    • OrigialTessa says:

      So, a good way for men to get out of paying spousal support is to beat their wives, because terrified abuse victims should just go cower in a corner and not dare ask for financial support? Do you even know what you’re saying?

      • Gabby says:

        You did read that she is asking for 50 thousand right? And that the documents and emails showed she tried to do it through her lawyer and not the court?

        She is asking the multi-billionaire, one of the most profitable actors in the world, for 50,000 montly, and to stay at her home.She could have asked for 5 times as much and still wouldn’t forgive what he did to her.

        The trial will cost him so much more, he already lost half of his fanbase, only the blinded fanatics will keep on giving him the benefit of doubt.

        He is just angry and petty, and probably can’t believe she had the audacity to leave him, the great JD. So he chose to call her bluff and now I hope he wil get what he deserves.

    • Roxane says:

      How can someone be so idiotic.

    • Kelly says:

      Wow, you’re dumb.

    • tegteg says:

      This was addressed yesterday on CB – you have to ask for spousal support when you initially file, or you can NEVER ask for it later. Her lawyers probably just threw all of that in there – and legally she’s entitled to some, so that she can maintain the lifestyle she’s used to. He’s worth $400 million, she’s not asking for half of that.

      • aenflex says:

        Abuse aside, looking at this as two married people, rich, but otherwise typical, I don’t see how she could ask for spousal support, period. They were only married 15 months. Division of marital assets, sure, but spousal support or alimony is quite a stretch.
        That said, Johnny’s a pig. A good actor does not a good person make.

      • Jackie Jormp Jomp says:

        Aenflex, I’ve been married 2 weeks now. That’s all. But if my husband ever hit me, I would take him for every mothereffing penny I could. Abusers don’t feel shame.

    • Greenieweenie says:

      But you’re taking Johnny’s image at face value. Amber is wearing physical evidence of abuse and has multiple witnesses to confirm.

      So what compelling evidence is there to the contrary, again? Your opinion?

      • Manjit says:

        Sorry to be pedantic about this, but it could prove to be important later; no-one witnessed the physical abuse. All the witnesses can testify to is him yelling at Amber and being aggressive towards her, none of them can provide evidence of him physically assaulting her. His security staff have been severely criticised on here but it’s important to note that they appear to have witnessed yelling and screaming but no physical violence. They may all have seen the after effects of him hitting her but none of them witnessed the act itself.

    • Jayna says:

      Well, of course it happened. The last incident was the final straw. And she wanted out of the marriage, and her attorney used those incidents in the email to leverage her demands.

      And, first off, $50,000 a month in temporary alimony until the settlement and divorce is finalized is a drop in the bucket to Johnny .

    • Gabby says:

      You did read that she is asking for 50 thousand right? And that the documents and emails showed she tried to do it through her lawyer and not the court?

      She is asking the multi-billionaire, one of the most profitable actors in the world, for 50,000 montly, and to stay at her home.She could have asked for 5 times as much and still wouldn’t forgive what he did to her.

      The trial will cost him so much more, he already lost half of his fanbase, only the blinded fanatics will keep on giving him the benefit of doubt.

      He is just angry and petty, and probably can’t believe she had the audacity to leave him, the great JD. So he chose to call her bluff and now I hope he wil get what he deserves.

    • The Other Katherine says:

      OnTheRocks, read the timeline put together by GingerNYC on the previous post. The abuse allegations did NOT come after the negative publicity surrounding the timing of Amber’s divorce filing — that smear comes from Johnny’s lawyer and is, at best, inaccurate (and, at worst, libelous).

    • riiky says:

      You are quite stupid.

    • Kitten says:

      It’s just trolling guys. Don’t feed.

      • Izzy says:

        Kitten, if stupid could fly, these trolls would be jets.

      • I Choose Me says:

        What gets me is the poster above saying that none of the witnesses actually saw him strike her. So witnesses saw him screaming, breaking shit and making aggressive, threatening movements towards her but believing he actually hit her with the phone is a step too far? Which implies what? She hit herself in the face with the phone? I just don’t get the logic. All these mental gymnastics to defend Johnny despite the mounting evidence of Amber’s claims makes me tired and sad.

    • tiny martian says:

      She’s probably asking for money because by having to come forward publicly she knows that she is likely destroying her own career. Mainly because of people like you, who will never believe her, and will instead put all their faith in a man who has publicly been seen to be in a state of physical and mental deterioration over the past few years. It’s pretty clear that something is up with Johnny. The man is not well, he’s out of control.

      • Melly says:

        Exactly. Her career is over. She will probably never get an audition again, let alone a part. She is entitled to compensation for the loss of income she will undoubtedly have due to Depp’s actions.

    • K2 says:

      You do know that asking for spousal support is normal when a poorer party is divorcing, right? Why is that less permissable if she’s the victim of abuse? And how, given the evidence above, can you deny that?

      Kelly Rutherford and Halle Berry are proof that this site never blindly rallies around women. It rallies around victims of asses. Amber Heard just joined the club nobody wants to be in, and she has a seat next to Denise Richards.

  9. Wow11 says:

    Even if she has bruises. Even if she has witnesses, it’s still “there are two sides to every story..” People do not believe women. They don’t believe it until we are dead.

    • Lahdidahbaby says:

      Yep. You are exactly right. Look right above you on this page. It’s scary, because it’s the reason so many abusers are allowed to go on abusing. It’s terrifying to tell anyone what has happened to you when your abuser is a public person, and even more so when he is admired and loved, as Depp has been for so long.

    • Greenieweenie says:

      Just funny how many people think their belief is relevant.

      • Lahdidahbaby says:

        No sh*t, that’s such a great point, Greenieweenie! It’s like they actually think this is a VOTE: If enough people just refuse to believe all the witnesses, then…what…Johnny *wins*? Don’t they realize there ARE no winners in this sad story and the truth is not up for a vote?

      • K2 says:

        It is relevant, unfortunately. If it weren’t, there wouldn’t be huge PR campaigns. It’s relevant because they work in an industry where public interest and goodwill generally determines employability. Won’t sway the courts, but could affect their careers. Or hers, anyway. Men seem to get away with it, while women (especially accusers, unsettlingly) pay a high price.

        Denise Richards was treated as toxic for years, just for trying to protect herself and her girls. It took very public bad behaviour and meltdowns, and genuinely saintly protection of her successor’s twin sons, before the world started to see that she was actually good people, in a story full of monsters.

    • Miss S says:

      And putting beliefs aside by just using logic, what does she have to gain by exposing herself as the victim of abuse of one of the most beloved actors on earth? This will follow her forever and she doesn’t have Depp’s leverage to move on with her career. We all know hollywood doesn’t care about this stuff when its about their stars, so he will be fine. Look at Charlie Sheen still making 2 million an episode.
      Most people never really liked her from the start and they will always try to blame her for this.
      And even if she used him to get ahead professionally what about him using her as a trophy wife? Sexist double standard no? And why didn’t he have a prenup? And all those stories about him being the idiot middle age guy who fell for her while she was with her bitch face on? Can’t we be open to the idea that when there is an unbalance of power people overcompensate on some areas?

      Knowing what we know now I really feel we saw what we wanted to see because it fit into the narrative that was more comfortable for us. I didn’t like her but didn’t dismiss her when the divorce news came up because it didn’t make sense to act like she did IF she was really just into his money. Just logic will lead us to question a lot that have been said/written about her/them.

      • Itsnotthatserious says:

        You said it all “I feel we saw what we wanted to see because it fit into the narrative that was comfortable for us.” Therein lies the problem. A star that has a powerful pr representation will always have good media most times. We consume this media and buy into it and accept these celebrities as they have been sold to us and even when they behave contrary to that, excuses are made for them.

        Maybe this should be an eye opener where people stop buying in to the pr sell. After the Reese Witherspoon incident I thought people might wise up but that didn’t happen. I find that most often the sweet one are persecuted in the media whereas the horrid ones have the best public images.

      • K2 says:

        I dismissed her. And I feel sick about it now. You can be as famous as you like: her face in the back of the car is of someone totally humiliated and pretty broken. She deserved one hell of a lot better from people like me, never mind him.

        It’s so easy to feel like we know these people. And we don’t. This girl has plainly been through hell, and is now living the results in public.

      • Miss S says:

        @k2, It’s very easy to fall into the mob mentality when we are given over and over again the same “facts” that point into one direction. Her own interviews didn’t help because she easily comes across as pretentious, which reinforces all the info we have been given about her. This is a gossip site, so judgement is expected. Don’t feel bad. When people have access to what we know today and still think she is lying refusing to give her the benefit of the doubt (at least), well, personally that’s what I find problematic. It’s like they forgot inconvenient things about Depp’s past and present and only focus on “facts” about Amber’s character, like it would justify this.

    • CommentingBunny says:

      Wow11: “People do not believe women. They don’t believe it until we are dead.”

      And often not even then.

      • Jessie Mendoza says:

        Such a true statement. Absolutely heartbreaking.

      • Sarah says:

        Don’t believe till we’re dead and then it’s all “he was abusive?!?! Why the hell did she stay, silly woman! This could have been avoided..”

    • isabelle says:

      Sometimes they will still blame & not believe the woman even after she is dead. Cue in the OJ case.

  10. Lucy says:

    I’m so glad that (most) people are taking her seriously. Really. I was a victim of indecent assault two months ago by a potential employer who’s married to my friend, and I never reported him. I don’t think I ever could, because even though I grew up with DV and am very strident against abuse, I know that my actions since then towards him would be taken as proof that I’m lying. People just don’t understand how complicated emotions and situations can be.

  11. OrigialTessa says:

    This is sad. I thought she was making a huge epic mistake by marrying a washed up aging drunk, but in my head it was for superficial reasons, like he’s not hot anymore and his breath is probably bad…blah blah. THIS is just beyond what anyone imagines behind closed doors. It’s a terrible thing to be terrified of the man who is supposed to love you.

  12. InvaderTak says:

    Johnny’s team are delusional. They can’t actually think that people believe that do they? Why didn’t hey take her offer to keep it out of the press? That’s like Kesha/Drcreep in a way. Is it a power trip?

    • Intuitive says:

      That’s exactly what I thought. I may be wrong but I’m assuming they didn’t keep it out of the press because Depp wouldn’t agree to her demands. Powerful men think they can get away with anything.

    • Guesto says:

      I think it must be, and born out of the (drug-addled?) arrogance and entitlement he seems to think are his right. He also very likely thought that no one would doubt the word of Johnny Depp.

      • Greenieweenie says:

        I think it’s complacency. They’re catered to for so many years, they think they’re impervious. Plus, he’s an addict.

    • M.A.F. says:

      How his team is reacting to this is blowing my mind. I’m in the camp of not liking her either, figured she was using him for the fame but my god. She has witnesses and evidence, what more does she need? Video? Unbelievable. And the fact that by all looks of it, he is still overseas. SMH

  13. Sam says:

    Wasn’t he clean and sober for a long time? Maybe he isn’t the same violent ahole when he is clean… could explain why his ex stayed as long as she did, and sober Jack sparrow didn’t want to get married. Also why drunk/drug fueled Jack sparrow married so quickly and without a pre-nup. I feel really bad for her. Even if the relationship started on superficial grounds, no woman deserves to live in fear.

    • Jayna says:

      I doubt he’s ever been clean and sober, but he probably had a period his drinking was a lot milder and maybe off drugs completely. I thought I read Johnny had asked Vanessa several times to marry and she didn’t. want to It wouldn’t make sense for Johnny not to propose to her, as he has proposed to every girlfriend he’s ever dated.

      And, yes, drugs and alcohol can escalate violence. Peace symbol Ringo Starr talked about how there was a period much later after the Beatles had been broken up were he wasn’t doing much and his drinking and drugging became pretty heavy binging-wise. He said he could drink 16 bottles of alcohol a day. He has said he was never a violent man in his earlier years. But violence started happening toward his wife during these binges. She was an alcoholic also. One morning he awoke to find his room trashed after a drug and alcohol-fueled binge and seeing Barbara he thought he had killed her he had beaten her so badly. He was horrified by what he had become and checked himself into a treatment center. Barbara did too as her alcoholism had also gotten pretty severe. Both have been clean and sober for decades and live a very healthy lifestyle spiritually and physically. It saved his marriage and himself getting help.

      Who would have thought Ringo could be capable of such violence, and it was brave of him to talk about it as most would hide that in their long-ago past. I think he thought it could help people who had sunk so low in their addictions and mental state that they felt they were beyond help or redeemable as human beings.

      • imqrious2 says:

        I read that, too; I was so shocked to hear that! Ringo always seemed to be the gentle, goofy one. I couldn’t believe he had that in him. Kudos to him for realizing he had a problem, and actually doing something wholeheartedly to solve it.

        Hell, look at Ozzy Osbourne: didn’t he try to choke Sharon once on a vodka & drug binge?

  14. LP says:

    Here’s the thing- it’s totally possible that she married him (even partly) for money, fame, access, etc….BUT that doesn’t mean that he wasn’t abusing her, and it doesn’t make abuse acceptable! We need to destroy the false dichotomy of “either she was abused or she was a bad person”- it’s not true that only certain kinds of women get abused! Sorry if this make me no sense, I just woke up and I’m mad!

    • Luca76 says:

      This is my belief also. I haven’t changed my opinion of her or how self interested she was in the relationship, or her acting ability. But that doesn’t matter. No one deserves to be abused and it’s great that she’s come forward.

      • Kitten says:

        Same. I don’t feel any differently about her, but I sure as hell feel differently about Depp.

      • tracking says:


      • paleokifaru says:

        Great points. I’m so glad people are bringing this up. People are complex and not one dimensional. And that’s important to remember when thinking about the abuse dynamic as well. AH does not just see JD as a violent addict. She knows and appreciates other aspects of him and that’s what makes it so hard for people to be vocal about their abuse and get out of the relationship.

      • teacakes says:

        Exactly. Gold digger or not, it doesn’t matter – she was abused, and he is scum for it.

    • The Other Katherine says:

      Hear, hear.

    • Kitten says:

      That is such an important point that so often gets lost in the domestic violence discussions. It really plays into that Madonna/whore dichotomy that is so prevalent on these threads.

    • GreenieWeenie says:

      yeah, thanks. I hate black and white narratives because they almost never have a place in reality. We can still dislike Amber for her crappy acting and the way she comes across in interviews, but also empathize with her and recognize that she’s a victim. Like human compassion, even if you don’t want to be that person’s best friend.

      She did come off as genuine in that apology video (I thought). It was Johnny who came off like the a-hole.

    • Mira says:

      Great comment! The two aren’t mutually exclusive.
      Think about the Lohans, Michael Lohan has been accused of domestic abuse from his girlfriend and ex wife. Dina Lohan for instance isn’t very likeable but i still have sympathy for what she went through. Rihanna is another woman who is not squeaky clean but she is a victim of domestic abuse and for that she deserves empathy and understanding.
      It shouldn’t have to be that we must find woman likeable to feel sympathy when they go through horrific things like this. Heard can be an obnoxious brat for all i care NO ONE deserves to go through this.,

    • Sigh... says:

      I saw a comment w/ the same basic sentiment like this last night:

      “You can still be racist and have black friends, kinda the same way a serial killer has friends that are still alive…”

      NOTHING abt this is or will be cut ‘n’ dry.

    • isabelle says:

      Exactly, even if she is a gold digger, it doesn’t matter. He made the choice to marry her knowing she was mush younger and a maybe fame seeker. He made the choice to marry her. Even without the reports of abuse, have no sympathy for a man that willingly marries his midlife crisis.

    • I Choose Me says:

      We need to destroy the false dichotomy of “either she was abused or she was a bad person”- it’s not true that only certain kinds of women get abused!

      I wanna take this comment and make it into a poster to be distributed everywhere.

  15. Intuitive says:

    Can anyone explain the timeline to me, please? Did she file for divorce and the restraining order at the same time? And were details of the restraining order released because Depp’s team wouldn’t agree to her demands? I’m not clear about the American legal system.

    • The Other Katherine says:

      Here is GingerNYC’s timeline from the previous post (kudos to GingerNYC, apologies for cut-and-paste):

      “Correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems like this is the timeline of events:
      1- JD’s mom dies
      2- JD &and AH have altercation. AH takes pictures.
      3- (last Friday) Amber files papers to request a hearing on the temp restraining order. Included in those papers are these allegations as well as pictures. At this point these papers are not yet public record.
      4- (last weekend) JD offers AH settlement money so as to end any court proceedings.
      5- (Monday) AH files for divorce, requesting spousal support.
      6- JD files response. Requests that no support be granted.
      7- (today) hearing on TRO. judge reviews AH’s papers, finds in favor of AH, and grants TREO. after hearing all papers become part of the public record.

      So what that seems to mean is that he offered her money last weekend if she would stop the hearing process and/or not file divorce papers. And she obviously said no. Now what kind of gold digger is that? She didn’t even give Disney time to figure out how much they would kick in! She would know that she needed more than 2 days to get her best offer out of them.
      It seems far more likely to me that he hit her, she didn’t feel safe and requested the TRO, JD found out about the hearing and tried to buy her off, she turned down his offer of money and instead spent the weekend with her att’y getting papers ready, then she filed for divorce on Monday. THAT scenario makes the most sense to me.
      As to the request for spousal support, two things are important: first, that the atty included the sp spt request as part of the 1st filing because you must request it in those papers or you are barred from ever requesting it. So the atty throws in everything and the kitchen sink so as to avoid being precluded at a later time. That way it doesn’t matter what his strategy is or what happens down the road because you’ve addressed it. Also, it’s good for negotiating purposes. You are giving yourself something to throw out and act like by doing so you are compromising. Second, she may well be anticipating his statements and the resulting backlash and wants to be sure that she gets some money even if she completely loses her career as a result. Either is fair and both are smart moves. Neither is just because she is a gold digger.”

      • Intuitive says:

        Thank you 😊

      • Colette says:

        Depp’s mother died Friday 5/20
        Amber says she was assaulted 5/21.The police offer gave him his card at 9:21pm
        Amber filed for divorce Monday 5/23
        Her lawyer sent letter to his lawyer to settle it Tue 5/24
        No response from his attorney
        On Friday 5/27 She obtained a domestic violence restraining order.I don’t know if she requested it on Wed or Thursday

      • Algybear says:

        This detail bothers me. Depp was very close to his mother. If it is true that Depp’s mother didn’t like Amber and the marriage had been rocky for months, why did she and her friends talk about Depp’s mother when he came in, likely drunk, the day after his mother died?? One can easily picture him exploding at that. In fact if she was afraid of him, wouldn’t she have learned to walk on eggshells around him?

        ”On Saturday, May 21, Heard claims that she was having a conversation with two friends when Depp, 52, entered their downtown Los Angeles apartment. As the group of friends began to talk about the recent passing of Depp’s mom, the actor “began obsessing about something that was untrue” and became “extremely angry,” she states in the documents.”

      • Jackie Jormp Jomp says:

        Algybear stop making excuses for this man. “Shouldn’t she have learned…”…Are you serious?! My god, that’s a disgusting point of view.

        And based on that description, this is a plausible scenario:

        Friend: Hey I heard about your mom. My condolences. I know you guys were really close with her.
        Depp: We were? No not we–me. Amber didn’t care about her. She hated Amber.
        Heard: Johnny, she was a good mother. I’m very sorry she is gone.
        Depp: F*ck you. You didn’t care about her at all. You hated her……..(and cue abusive tirade.

        Either you have seen no abuse ever, or you have seen so much of it you are numb. otherwise I can’t make sense of your response

      • Algybear says:

        Jackie – have seen abuse and am not numb. Have also lost many close relatives and am aware of what it is like immediately afterwards.

        As I said, if it is true that Depp’s mom did not like Amber and if it is true that their marriage was rocky, the idea that she and her friends would talk about his loss at that moment is not consistent with her saying she was afraid of him. I did not say he wasn’t violent or that she deserved to be hit by a thrown phone, but the story doesn’t ring true as told – unless she was actually trying to provoke him.

      • M.A.F. says:

        @Algybear- you have no idea what their conversation was about. Heard could have been answering a simple question about funeral arrangements or what did his mother die of when he walked in. To imply that they were drunk and talking about his mother to provoke him makes you an asshat.

      • Goldie says:

        @algybear, Amber claims that she hadn’t seen Johnny for a month prior to this incident which occurred a day after his mother died. Isn’t it likely that *he* reached out to her for comfort/ sympathy. Why wouldn’t they talk about his mother?

      • Jackie Jormp Jomp says:

        @algybear–I still don’t understand what you think was provoking about discussing his mother. She had died the day prior. It would be absurd to not discuss it. The only interesting detail of that story is that he kept harping anger about a fact she claims was untrue Which is pretty much the M.O. of abusive personalities, flailing about things they made up because they need something to rail about.
        I do not understand at all why you think she should have been more careful.b That’s the excuse of the abuser.

      • lisa2 says:

        Someone posted an old interview of Johnny’s where he talks about the fact that he has a bad temper. He said that he is jealous and paranoid. That he can it can be something small and he blows it out of proportion. These are clues that he himself has said.

        if he had not seen Amber in over a month why did he get drunk and go to the place where she was staying. Why didn’t he go to all of those supportive friends he has. He went to her with a purpose in mind. And her and her friends asking about his mother is quite normal. It is what you do when someone dies. After reading that interview from Johnny it was a big eye opener for me at least.

  16. D says:

    To all those people who don’t believe her/And to all those people before this saying she was a gold digger:
    SHame on you!!!!!
    No one ever knows what happens behind closed doors. Especially in relationships. I hope this teaches you all the hold your tounge before you spew your bulls***.

    • Alix says:

      She could be a gold digger AND an abuse victim — they’re not mutually exclusive. Just sayin’.

      • jc126 says:

        True. What’s worse is that a victim can also be a perpetrator, like a battered wife who beats her kids.

      • Luca76 says:

        Thank you I find it dangerous to deify someone because they are a victim of DV. Not all victims are nice people.You don’t have to like a person to believe they deserve respect and shouldn’t be physically, emotionally,or verbally abused.

      • Tiffany :) says:

        She “could” be a gold digger, but what evidence is there that is the case? There are numerous examples that show it is highly unlikely she’s a gold digger.

        I don’t under why people think that when they got together during his better times a few years ago, that she could not have legitimately loved him. If the Johnny Depp of Rum Diary (not his current bloated messy self) was wooing you, you think the ONLY reason a woman would return his affection is if she wanted money?

      • LadyWish says:

        I think she got into this marriage intending to get something out of it – a boost in fame, money, whatever. But her actions right now aren’t those of a gold digger. If she really wanted the money, above all, she wouldn’t have gotten the restraining order and outted him as an abuser so early. Like another poster said, she could have waited for what kind of money she could get – particularly out of Disney since Alice 2 is opening this weekend.
        I don’t think she’s a perfect person but, at this point, her actions aren’t that of a gold digger.

      • isabelle says:

        Well, here is another question, is it wrong for her to be a gold-digger if the man goes into it knowing it? We label gold diggers as these evil creatures but in reality if the man marries one, knowing the deal, the business of it, why do we think its wrong? IMO its no different than any other business deal but since its a woman deciding its what she wants for her life, we judge them harshly and beleive the man is a victim. These men accept the role of being the sugar daddy and yet we still lay it all at the feet of the woman.

    • Veronica says:

      She can have ulterior motives going into that marriage and still not deserve the abuse she received. Victims should not have to be whitewashed angels in order to deserve empathy and support.

    • Kitten says:

      These comments are so sanctimonious and silly. We NEVER know what celebrities are like behind closed doors but that doesn’t stop us from speculating though does it?

    • Mika says:

      She is an abuse victim who is a gold digger. You can be both.

      • LadyWish says:

        Like I said above, I do believe that she got into this marriage hoping to get something out of it – a career boost, money – but her actions right now aren’t that of a gold digger. She probably could have gotten a bigger payout if she had kept her mouth shut and allowed her silence to be bought – by Johnny, by Disney…

      • Luca76 says:

        Now this I can agree with LadyWish

      • Colette says:

        A gold digger doesn’t file for divorce from her wealthy husband after 15 months.A gold digger would stay for years and have a child or 2 insuring she would receive child support for 18 years.So if she is a gold digger she isn’t a very good one.

  17. Gabby says:

    Just goes to show that celebrities are not what they seem, we are the ones that create a romantic vision of who and how they are.

    Never marry your adolescence celebrity crush people!

    I wish someone had told this to Katie Holmes and Amber Heard .

    • Christin says:

      Katie and Amber learned lessons the hard way. An A-lister, former heartthrob may bring glitz and career exposure, but beware what’s behind the curtain.

    • isabelle says:

      Every time I think of Katie getting out her marriage like a stealthy lawyer it still makes me smile.

  18. Sarah01 says:

    I feel terrible for her, since she’s been linked with Johnny, she’s been the gold digging, mouth breather and vapid blond. A lot of us here have said it almost in every post of hers. And he’s always been poor Johnny.
    i hate to think that she has that awareness of what the masses thought of her and privately was being abused by Johnny. It must have made her feel terrible about herself and powerless.
    Johnny has taken this to a new low. She wanted to settle it out of court and he gave her no choice except to go through the courts where it would then become a pr war and she would be committing career suicide.
    This could have gone quietly.
    My family and I were going to watch Alice but now I don’t even want to look at his smug face.

    • SilkyMalice says:

      Unless he owns up to what he did, and tries to change, I will NEVER. EVER. Watch another movie of his. He gets not one more dime from my pocket.

      I am really interested to see what Disney does with this.

    • Saks says:

      Yes to all of this. Worst is that it is all merely beginning, she is going to be harass, attack and humiliate by the media and the general public for months now, and her career is probably over. All because her husband is an abusive assh0le. I’m also refusing to watch that movie now.

      • Capepopsie says:

        I totally agree in everything said above.
        I too refuse to see anything Depp is in.
        He will not be getting any money from
        My pocket ever again.

        He is so relying on his popularity to come out of this mess undamaged, that is why
        He didn’t want to settle out of court!

  19. Sam says:

    In her statement she says he was abusive throughout their relationship, yet she still married him knowing what an abusive ahole he was. The things some women will put up with never ceases to amaze me, they both need to spend a long time in therapy and he also needs rehab.

    • Bread and Circuses says:

      If you’ve lived a protected, happy life, then the first time someone hits you, you can’t process it. You don’t know what to do.

      And when people don’t know what to do, they often freeze up, or feel shame and try to hide their incompetence. People do that at work, in social situations, when they witness someone else being abusive, etc.

      It’s a pretty human response. Abusers exploit it to keep the victim off-balance and therefore under the abuser’s control.

      It’s not a matter of “[what] some women will put up with” but rather “what people do when they panic because they don’t know what to do.”

      Remember the men who witnessed Jerry Sandusky molesting boys? They didn’t know what to do. They *should* have intervened, then gone to police. What they *did* do was freeze up and stay silent — just like an abused woman. This is a human response; it’s not a failing of women.

      • Anna says:

        Thank you for this educated post. I never thought about it that way, but you are 100% correct. We freeze when we are confronted with something that shouldn’t be.

      • Lahdidahbaby says:

        An amazing and important post, B&C. Everyone who faults an abused woman for not taking action immediately needs to read your post and think about it.

      • Otaku Fairy says:

        “This is a human response, it’s not a failing of women.” Good point. Whenever something like this happens and the victim doesn’t respond perfectly right away, it always becomes about “Well I wouldn’t put up with that. What kind of woman is she?” At least she’ll be free from it now. Sadly, for some people abusive relationships go on in secret for longer than 15 months.

      • Keaton says:

        excellent point

    • Laura says:

      What an ignorant and judgemental post. Abusive relationships almost never start that way. The future abuser tends to shower his victimwith love and attention. It is only later – and gradually – that the abuser starts to show his true colors. By that time, he’s found ways to place all blame on her. On top of that, leaving is very dangerous. An abused woman is in the most danger in the first few months after she leaves – as are her family, frinds, and pets.

  20. Goldie says:

    It’s so disgusting that his bodyguards did nothing to protect her. I’m glad that she was at least able to mantain a close group of friends. Many people in abusive relationships are cut off from their friends.

  21. yellowrocket says:

    Celebitchy really is the only place to come for an intelligent look at celebrity gossip. This is the best coverage of this situation available. I’m so happy that the readers on this page are such an intelligent bunch. The majority of the comments on here are thoughtful and well measured for the most part and there’s very few trolls shouting “liar” at a DV victim with obvious injuries, witnesses and proof.

    I admire Amber so much for what she has done. Johnny is friends with every important person in hollywood. Everyone claims to be his friend from directors to chat show hosts to other prestigious actors. I actually think there is a good chance that Johnny has been abusive to Winona Ryder and probably Kate Moss. I hope Amber gets everything she deserves and that her career is not negatively impacted. And I hope Johnny gets help and gets sober.

    I can’t believe he cared so little for what he did that he preformed with the band last night. It’s tough to see an idol go to a disgusting son-of-a-B**** basically overnight and the smile on his face during that performance sealed it for me. I hope it gets knocked off his face and soon.

    • Lahdidahbaby says:

      Everything you said: Yes!

    • als says:

      Someone quoted in another topic related to this issue Depp’s words a while ago saying how Vanessa calmed him down and I have to say my impression of Vanessa changed in light of what’s happening.
      She apparently functioned as a babysitter for Depp and I have a feeling she covered up a lot of his problems in their years together. Moss and Winona probably didn’t have much patience for that.
      But I doubt Johnny was in full force with them like he was with Amber. Maybe there were issues, but not this bad. Kate Moss, Winona, Vanessa, these were women with a higher status than Amber had when he married her. He felt more power with Amber and things escalated.
      And I don’t think it’s the booze. I had a neighbour that was the sweetest man when he drank. Alcohol just reveals who you really are.

      • yellowrocket says:

        Good point als, Winona and Kate were definitely on closer level to Johnny than Amber is, career and famewise. I just look at Winona’s spiral after they dated and I wonder, BUT I shouldn’t speculate, it’s not fair. I think you’re bang on about Vanessa though.

      • Miss S says:

        I think that was me. That article from 2005 from The Guardian is very telling. Depp recognizes his bad temper and jealousy by his own words. At the time he was with Vanessa, had two kids and was nominated for an Oscar.

      • GreenieWeenie says:

        That Guardian article made it sounds like he either veered towards mental illness at times or (to me it seemed like) had some childhood trauma. When someone has long-term substance abuse issues, isn’t there always some specific reason behind it? It’s never just, “Oh, I’m undisciplined and I like to party.” He says the rage is never far away? Unresolved anger and if it’s been that way since he was young, that’s childhood trauma.

        He was probably so trashed he doesn’t even have a clear memory of what happened. That’s how addicts work, in my experience. Ruin people’s lives one night, wake up and act like nothing happened the next day. Wife has an imprint of an iPhone on her face, and he’s off touring like nothing happened.

      • SilkyMalice says:

        “Wife has an imprint of an iPhone on her face, and he’s off touring like nothing happened.”

        This is why I will not cut him even one piece of slack. At least Ringo Starr woke up, saw his beaten up wife and had the decency to be horrified. And changed.

    • amilu says:

      He probably figured that the charity gig would be good PR during this. “How could a man fitting an elderly woman with a hearing aid POSSIBLY be an abuser!?!?” Obvious PR stunt is obvious (even if it was planned in an advance and something he’s done in the past).

      • Miss S says:

        I don’t want to defend him, but that was apparently something scheduled beforehand. It was in my country. The portuguese association they gave the hearing devices to works with the international one that brought the band. When it was filmed we only knew about the divorce, nothing more.

        But naturally, afterwards that was used to show how amazing he is.

    • als says:

      Yes, Miss S, it was you. Thanks for the info.
      I didn’t know about that interview but when I read it I immediately thought of that quote from Maya Angelou: ‘when someone tells you who they are, believe them’.

    • Courtney says:

      I totally agree about celebitchy being the most intelligent about the whole thing. After reading the comments on TMZ I weep for humanity.

  22. Snowflake says:

    That poor woman. She tried to settle it out of court, without publicity. Then she gets dragged in the press for filing 2 days after his mom’s death, so she has to bring it public. I would ask for $$ too, all the shit he put her through, the least she can do is try to get some money and move on with her life. I feel bad for her, I think a lot of us saw the young and pretty girl and assumed gold digger and didn’t want to feel for her. But even gold diggers, if she is one, don’t deserve to be abused. Now she has to go through all this embarrassment cause he didn’t want to settle out of court, and thought he could intimidate her into going away. Good for her, for having the courage, to reveal him for what he really is. I’m sure this is not the first time. #teamamber

    • Kitten says:

      The reports that he tried to pay for her silence enrage me. How vile.

      • paleokifaru says:

        I think I missed those. Where was that reported and was the amount disclosed? And sorry but if there was an offer then how can Team Depp claim that JD is completely oblivious of AH’s claims and the court filings? My husband’s attorney has to run everything through him first so I’m appalled at the amount of manure that’s being shoveled in reports via Team Depp.

      • Izzy says:

        I think it’s in her attorney’s filings, copies of the emails her attorney sent to his to try to settle amicably.

    • Tate says:

      Yep, I always dismissed her as a conniving gold digger that was using Johnny. Whatever her original intent was when she got with him, she certainly did not deserve the violent hell he put her through.

    • Otaku Fairy says:

      Yeah. I know she can be a golddigger and an abuse victim, and completely agree with the people upthread who said someone shouldn’t have to be a whitewashed angel in order to get empathy and support and not have other people’s abuse blamed on them, but based on her actions now and on what I’m hearing from other people here on how their relationship started, I’m doubting the golddigger angle even more than I was at first. Even if her being with him WAS all about the money and 0% attraction, that wouldn’t be an excuse (although on other sites people are already using that as an excuse and doing the typical victim-blaming) but I’m just not sure that that was the case here. It’s easy to make that leap when one party is wealthier than the other.

      • paleokifaru says:

        I think I commented on maybe one of their threads a couple months back and none of their divorce ones until the abuse allegations so I definitely don’t have a dog in this fight as a fan. And from my generally disinterested perspective I figured he was 1) an acting deity to her and let’s face it everyone loves a “rockstar” in their own profession and feels flattered by their interest and 2) realized that he could open doors for her. Although I’ve never been a huge Depp fan (except appreciating some of his earlier work), I can certainly understand the draw and 100% believe she would be attracted to him and don’t doubt love. That said, given a lot of her interviews it’s also obvious she’s ambitious and believed that doors were closed to her because of her own perceived attractiveness….doors that surely she thought he could open. So I never really thought it gold digging per say but if pressed I would have guessed his status was part of what she liked.

    • craly says:

      this is in response to kitten:

      It’s my understanding that SHE tried to ask him to pay for her silence?

      I haven’t been able to find the documents where he wants to pay her. On the contrary, in her filing it says she asked him to settle out of court.

      • mmm says:

        No. According to TMZ (from the court) Johnny offered money to her to be quiet about this incident but she refused and instead she filed for the divorce Monday morning

    • Artemis says:

      Depp and his team knew most people would be on his side. He’s just that powerful. So why care about settling this out of the public eye, either way he’s ‘winning’.

      Even if this ends bad for him, he will recover within a year if not less. He doesn’t have to do much to win back the sympathy of his fans. Heck, his career has been on the decline since 2010 and so have his looks and he’s still got so many people cheering for him.

  23. serena says:

    I’m seriously shocked. Anyway, technical info: how much spousal support are you granted after 1 year, more or less? Is there a rule, like ‘you have to be married for 5 years’ or such?

    • Colette says:

      I don’t know how much you get but on CNN they said you get it for half the length of your marriage .So she would only get it for seven months.

    • Shannon says:

      CA law says 50/50 split of earnings during the marriage. They had no prenup so it will default to that.

  24. Why is she still asking for money?

    You would think she would just want to get out

    • riiky says:

      Why are people still asking these idiotic questions?

      If you don’t ask for spousal support when you file for divorce, you can’t ask for it later. And she has every right to ask for it.

      Edit: Apparently Johnny also tried to give her money so she’d keep quiet. She didn’t want it.

      • craly says:

        I don’t know if that is true (Johnny trying to give her money). Not saying it is UNtrue, I simply haven’t seen any evidence of it being true.

        In the documents she presented to the court it says that she (through her lawyer) contacted Johnny to try to settle out of court. The only way you could settle out of court is money.

    • Sarah01 says:

      Because for abusers like Johnny money is the only language they understand and that’s where it hurts for them.

      You know I would love it if all of Johnnys victims came out and support Amber. She is being crucified in the media.
      I would love it if his security team or even one of them Jerry corroborates Amber’s story.
      woody and Johnny and many other other in between, men kniw they are untouchable they can do whatever they want, because stupidly prevails time and time again.
      I was off Johnny when he defended Polanski.

    • Almondjoy says:

      But do you read the comments? It was answered and addressed multiple times.

      I’m heartbroken for Amber and all those in the comments who have experienced such abuse.

    • rosalee says:

      Abusive relationship are highly complex – the victim lives with hope. Hope he doesn’t come home drunk, hope an incident will not set him off – hope that he will be late from work, hope the happy moments last, hope that no one finds out the person you love hurts you..they live with hope. But hope runs out.
      I’m am personally pleased Amber left..there are far too many men and women who don’t leave in time. 28 years ago I left with the clothes I was wearing holding my broken arm as the police escorted me out of the home I loved and built – all I took was my daughter. I didn’t ask for a thing, I lost everything but I gained so much more.

      • Shiba says:

        Your answer says it all.

      • Dlo says:

        Thank you Rosalie you put reality into eloquent words. 😢

      • here's Wilson says:

        I did the same. Walked away from a terrible relationship with an addict and left EVERYTHING even my vehicle. I took only the clothes on my back and strangely enough a bag of books with me. Not sure what I was thinking! But it was without question the smartest decision I ever made.

    • als says:

      Why wouldn’t she ask for money?
      IMO the amount she’s asking is a very small one. I don’t know what’s possible to legally get or not but I would ask for a hell lot more. Just out of pure vengeance for a dick that thinks he’s a God. He obviously abused her and now he’s playing intimidation games in the press. No remorse.
      She will forever have the memories of his ‘tenderness’ in her mind. Why not have his money as well? Money is important.
      And to be clear, if she married him for fame and money, he still had options to turn her down. She did not put a gun to his head. Depp agreed to marry her, to leave Vanessa and his kids.
      I doubt Amber agreed to be yelled out, to have phones thrown at her, to be hit and all the other shit. If she had agreed, this scandal wouldn’t be public right now.

      • V says:

        Sorry, she didn’t chase him. He asked her to marry him multiple times. She kept turning him down. She broke things off completely at one point. Then he wooed her by writing a poem a day and sending a bouquet of roses per day until she accepted his marriage proposal. How is that gold-digging?

    • Kitten says:

      Honestly if I was her I’d be trying to get a HELL of a lot more.

      • rosalee says:

        I did not ask for anything at the time because I was simply too beaten down..the women’s shelter I stayed at advised me to file immediately before he hid assets. But a part of me “hoped” he would be fair and see reason..but he did exactly what the councilors warned me he would do – shut down bank accounts cut off my credit cards and questioned whether or not he was our daughter’s father. I hope Amber gets everything she asks for and more..

      • Kitten says:

        Disgusting. I’m so sorry you had to go through that. Thanks for sharing your story and hopefully it helps to educate people who simply don’t understand the the dynamics between abuser and abused.

    • Samtha says:

      Imagine for a second that you’re married to a powerful and wealthy man who makes much more money than you do. The home you’ve lived in for years and the car you’ve driven for years are paid for by him. You decide to divorce him and are paying for an expensive lawyer because the case is contentious and likely to drag out.

      He decides to stop paying the rent on the apartment you’ve shared and on the car. Now, you’re allowed to stay in the apartment (per court orders), but all your money is going toward the divorce and you can’t afford to pay for the kind of lifestyle he could. Suddenly you’re homeless and you have no car. You don’t have the ability to work, because you’re in the same industry he is and he has infinitely more power and connections than you do. And even if you could get a job, you wouldn’t get the money in enough time to save your home and car.

      Your divorce attorney fees are racking into the six figures now. You’ve been forced out of your home and had to give up your car. You have little money and few work prospects. If things go on much longer, you won’t be able to afford your lawyer, either.

      Do you file for spousal support?

      • BritAfrica says:

        Ofcourse you bloody do! She should take the scumbag for every penny she can get!

      • Veronica says:

        That was my first thought, honestly – the lawyer fees alone are going to be tremendous. She’d need at least something to cover that.

      • Samtha says:

        A friend of mine was involved in a defamation case and spent more than 160k in legal fees in under a year. Amber’s costs are going to be sky-high, especially since she needs a lawyer comparable to Depp’s.

    • isabelle says:

      She isn’t asking for an extreme amount of money. $50k is probably potatoes for him and bet what they initially offered her if she didn’t take it to court was a lot more than $50K a month.

    • Shannon says:

      Think about the corollary here – should beating your wife exempt you from having to cough up spousal support/alimony? If all a man has to do to protect his finances is beat up his estranged wife, imagine the precedent that will set.

  25. Mew says:

    Remember what happened to Chris Brown when he beat RiRi? He got really cold ride with media and had to apologize years later still. I don’t think Johnny will have that headed at his way. I wouldn’t be surprised if in 6 months this was already long forgotten. And that’s super sad. And asking for spousal support does not mean there wasn’t abuse, how dumb can ppl be? Hey, free pass for men! Beat your wives and walk out free. Jeeeez.

    • Luca76 says:

      Well he’s a white man that’s made a lot of people a lot of money and his professional reputation was generally good until recently . I do think Johnny’s career has taken a big hit but I don’t think it’s over especially overseas where American gossip isn’t that important.
      Honestly I think it hurts Amber more because the girl is a bad actress, she’s already got a rep for being difficult (fair or not) and Hollywood is a cesspool of misogyny. I remember the Grammys talking about inviting Rihanna back for instance and saying that she was ‘forgiven’ or something infuriating.

    • claire says:

      Chris Brown, along with most other celebrity abusers, has gone on like nothing happened and continued to be celebrated and working. The only big name I can think of that has gotten the full shunning has been Mel Gibson.

      • Luca76 says:

        Eh a lot of doors have been closed to Chris Brown not every door but many. His career would be in s different place if the Rihanna incident hadn’t occurred.

      • claire says:

        I don’t know. I disagree. He has tons of fans. He gets high profile performances, still on award shows, etc. I think his career not being where it should, at this point, is because he’s a drug addict.

      • Kate says:

        Mel was actually given a few big chances to make a comeback after his anti-semitism became public, and it was always something people in the industry knew about him. There’s a lot of Jewish people in Hollywood, but there’s also plenty of anti-semites in the top jobs too.

        His career and image was damaged due to his views and behaviour, but what really sank it was that all his ‘comebacks’ bombed. If they’d all been big hits his career would have gone on as normal.

  26. EM says:

    Hollywood being the way it is, she will get black balled and he will lay low for a while and then reappear after a short stay in rehab to clean himself up. He will reappear in a film or two, until some other ambitious starlet sets her sights on him for the status he holds, professionally and financially.
    Look at Charlie Sheen, Mel Gibson, Jack Nicholson. Three examples of actors who have treated women badly, even worse than Depp has treated Heard.
    Does anyone really remember their abused exes?
    Do said exes have careers in Hollywood?
    The answer to that is a resounding no.
    That is how pathetic, exploitative and misogynistic Hollywood is.

  27. Susie 1of 3 says:

    The fairy tale dream of being alone with Johnny Depp on his island just turned into a nightmare. Maybe that’s what happened to Amber in real life. Sad for all involved.

  28. Stephanie says:

    I do not believe her at all. This all feels very gone girl to me. Her actions after this life threatening incident seem strange. Going to Tiffany’s. Hanging out with friends on the same day & taking pictures. I’m pretty sure if I or anyone I know we’re being abused we would spend the day packing, leaving, and no one would post a picture when I have a bruised face. Not only that, but her friend ducting in the car so the press can take a picture of Amber in the backseat crying. I’m not a fan of either, but I just don’t believe her.

    • Roxane says:

      Can you READ, the tyffany picture was given out by Depp team and how bizzarre it was a wrong date. And why exactly she doesn’t have the right to smile with her friends ? That’s just so silly.

    • Samtha says:

      The Tiffany’s photos were not recent. And why shouldn’t she spend time with friends? That’s seriously weak.

      Think about it logically. Why would she name, outright, Johnny’s personal bodyguard if she’s lying? He will be interviewed and possibly have to testify (if it comes to that). Do you think a man who works for and is paid by Johnny Depp is going to risk his job and career for something that’s not true?

    • SilkyMalice says:

      The pictures from Tiffany were from before the incident. In the photo of her with friends, her hair is deliberately covering that side of her face. There were several witnesses and the judge found sufficient evidence to grant her restraining order.

      In short – don’t be stupid.

    • riiky says:

      I do not believe you can read at all.

    • LadyWish says:

      1.) The Tiffany’s photos were old – they were taken in April, iirc, but they were mislabelled to seem more recent.
      2.) She has witnesses.
      3.) She wasn’t hanging out with friends like that on the same day; maybe she just wanted some normalcy? To be around friends after a terrifying ordeal? There’s nothing wrong with that.
      4.) Of course she took pictures. No one believes abuse victims so she had to have proof.
      5.) I don’t even know what you’re talking about with that last bit.
      Some people will just believe what they want to believe, I guess. But this case is cut and dry to me. Johnny has a history of violence, she has significant proof to back up her claim, and she’s speaking out instead of going for the big cash grab from Johnny and Disney in exchange for her silence.

      • Miss S says:

        It was her friend who took the pictures and the one when she has her face covered is apparently from the week before, but naturally is all being used to discredit her.

    • OriginallyBlue says:

      The Tiffany’s picture are from April and the one with her friends are from a week before this happened.

    • Stacey says:

      Oh thats exactly what you think you would do right? You’d never stay with a man who beat you?

      Oh to be back in your bubble of naivity. I thought the same thing too. Until he beat me. And I stayed. I envy your idealistic self righteousness. Oh, when the man you love beats you it turns your world upside down.

      You lie for him, to the cops to your family to your friends to your boss to the doctors. You become a person you never thought you’d be. Your life becomes a Lifetime movie. It can be so cliche.

      I believe her and so do the police. She is a victim. And she also is very strong. You know how hard it is to go through a regular break up? Let alone a break up when the man u love beats you? Oh god i was you a year ago. Never thought it would happen to me..

      Women need to look out for one another. Period. Her neighbor is a saint for not only physically defending her but being a witness in the investigation. Major props to her.

      • jjva says:

        I hope you’re doing okay now, Stacey. <3 Posts like yours are really important.

      • Veronica says:

        People like to fool themselves into thinking that abusers walk around with giant red flags attached to their backs warning everyone to stay out the way, and that only fools overlook them. Abusers are addicted to power and domination, and like any addict, they know how to charm their way into getting what they want.

    • Shannon says:

      I’m sure you could have been a fly on the wall and witnessed the entire recent attack go down, and you still wouldn’t “believe” reality.

    • isabelle says:

      Good god, you do realize enlightened reader that in Gone Girl, Nick was a Sociopath as well…and he raised his hand to Aimee ….but after reading your statement realize you have very poor reading comprehension. If you’re going to compare a book to reality, maybe understand the book first.

  29. Miss S says:

    Apparently the instagram photo that his side said to be taken on the day of the attack was actually from the week before. If you pay attention to what Amanda is wearing it doesn’t make sense to assume she changed her hairstyle and clothing on the same day.
    Add this to the Tiffany’s image and it seems someone is trying to discredit Amber…

    • als says:

      I imagine an entire army of sharks is trying to discredit her. It’s up to the public to judge the information they put out there.
      Intelligence and common decency can’t be manipulated.

    • K2 says:

      Amanda de Cadenet took that photo and put it on her Instagram, and she is currently retweeting Amber Heard support all over:

      If they are trying to make out that Amber wasn’t bruised, then the photographer they are relying upon in the claim, who is seemingly a close friend, very much begs to differ.

      • Miss S says:

        Thanks for the update!

      • siri says:

        Amanda took the pic from the party on April 23 out. She herself does not post support, it’s other people using her twitter account to post.

      • K2 says:

        No, DeCadenet is herself retweeting comments supportive of Heard, on her own Twitter. It’s not simply people tagging her – she is retweeting some very direct commentary.

  30. dibba says:

    I don’t have a dog in this fight and it doesn’t matter if I believe her or not. What a clusterf$*k. They both kind of repulse me anyway.

    • riiky says:

      Why wouldn’t you be on Amber’s side if she’s the one who was abused? I really do not understand that kind of “Team No-one” thinking when it comes to stuff like this.

      • dibba says:

        Of course I support her if she was abused in any way. My point is that how I feel about it doesn’t matter. Its up to the courts. I think its impossible to know what really goes on in Hollywood due to all the lies, PR, etc. I just hope they both can move on and be happy.

      • SilkyMalice says:

        Did you actually say “if she was abused in any way?”


        My dog is ALWAYS with the woman who got beaten up. Call me silly.

    • Livvers says:

      Well, as I said on a different post, what opinions we form about issues like this can help inform our own behaviour if we are ever confronted with a situation like this personally or in a friend/family member’s life. When I read some of the people victim-blaming in the comments on this or other sites I seriously doubt that they are going to be properly equipped to be supportive of a friend in a domestic violence situation, for instance. By having opinions about situations like this, we are essentially practicing empathy (or not) for our own life circumstances.

      In addition, the comment sections on posts like the Amber/Johnny situation can give women in abusive relationships the tools for how to understand or deal with their situation, or simply provide emotional support by seeing victims being believed. It’s not that you cannot reserve judgment about the situation, or that you need to have an opinion about a situation in which you are not personally involved, but even by sharing that thought, you — we all — contribute to the cultural conversation about domestic violence, and so even a neutral thought is not without its own influence.

      • dibba says:

        I didn’t think I was victim blaming and I’m sorry if you took it that way. I support any victim of domestic abuse and I think we should always believe the victim unless proven otherwise. Feel badly that my comment was taken as pro-domestic abuse. I don’t post alot and I’ll post even less now!

      • Livvers says:

        @dibba I didn’t think you were victim blaming in the comment I replied to (I spoke generally of victim blaming comments). All I was trying to say was, it may not matter to the courts or to Amber and Johnny if you believe her, but your belief or disbelief may some day matter to yourself, or it may matter today to other commenters. So it’s okay to form an opinion, or to not have an opinion, but the minute we post publicly about either, we make a contribution to the big cultural discussion about domestic violence.

  31. Amy says:

    People keep asking why Amber fell for Johnny’s promises and why she went through with marrying him if he was abusive. Just look at the comments on The Internet. Any one of the foolish women who continue to defend him in spite of the mounting evidence would do the same tomorrow. They would do it because he’s “their Johnny” and they “would love him right” (gag!)

    The attitude of these women toward him demonstrates how his fame and (one time) looks could easily sway a woman who harbored doubts and fears about him. I also have a completely different picture now of how they probably got together. I no longer think Amber targeted him for his money and contacts. I now think it is more likely HE approached HER and tried to offer her these things to draw her in. This strategy is evident in the way he tried to pay her off in court.

    Also here is a terrifying thought: What if we have not heard from other women because he also offered to pay them off and it WORKED!

    • V says:

      He massively woo’d her. Multiple sources have been saying that she kept turning down his proposals because she loves her freedom. He turned on a charm offensive to get her to accept his marriage proposal finally. I’m sure the marriage was a way for him to feel that she wasn’t going to leave him, because he was so insecure and jealous. Sounds like he was still insecure and jealous after the wedding. He’s a mess.

      • CommentingBunny says:

        It’s a phenomenon called “love bombing” that a lot of abusers use to reel in their victims. It’s hard to resist and it creates the groundwork for tying the victim to the abuser.

    • original kay says:

      There are people on this very site who hold to that mentality. Just read a Katie Holmes thread sometime. Some just cannot believe she fell for it.
      well, emotional manipulation is what these people do, they are masters at it. Katie, Amber, are not weak minded, to the contrary, they are trusting loving people who are taken advantage of.

  32. claire says:

    Her friends take photos of a very red injured face where the redness extends from above her eyebrow all the way to 1/2 way down her cheek, right after the incident. The witness said she had those injuries immediately after the incident. We’ve seen the bruise or abrasion several days later at court. Yet….the police say, and are giving tons of info to the media apparently, that they didn’t see a single thing.

    Sounds like they need glasses. And some re-training. Something is amiss there.

    • Miss S says:

      There was, as far I could find, an official report on that, just TMZ talking about a police source…

      • claire says:

        Did you mean to say “no official report”, as in, there’s no proof they said they didn’t see them, it’s just TMZ using some random police source?

      • Miss S says:

        Oh just noticed that I missed the “no” before.

        Yes. The way they wrote it doesn’t imply anything official, just a source they say they have. TMZ style.

      • claire says:

        @Miss S: so maybe the police aren’t as incompetent as TMZ is making them sound.

    • Colette says:

      Post a link to an official statement from the police.Not from TMZ or other gossip sites but the police.

      • Miss S says:

        Sorry, I didn’t write the “no”. What I meant was that there was NO official statement from the police, TMZ is just doing what TMZ does.

  33. HeatherAnn says:

    Who in the world wouldn’t ask for spousal support in this situation? I am not understanding at all why this defeats or weakens or diminishes any argument that she is a victim. Of course she asked for spousal support- no lawyer worth anything would fail to do that for her. She may eventually decide she doesn’t need or want it but think of how fragile her situation is right now. I am with everyone else on this forum. I thought she was kind of nasty but I was wrong and she is a total victim. I think it is absolute ignorance to look at her request for spousal support as in any way weakening the obvious truth of her abuse.

    • Miss S says:

      I can’t explain it to you, but someone who understands how these things work in California explained it. Is it apparently standard procedure and if she didn’t ask now she wouldn’t be able to ask anything in the future. If someone can explain it better, please do.

      • Livvers says:

        And if it weren’t even just about the legal procedures, there is the possibility that ptsd from domestic violence could hinder someone’s ability to be gainfully employed, in which case, it does not seem unreasonable that the person who caused the ptsd should be required to compensate the victim.

        Edit: Even the government does that for people, e.g. disability pensions for soldiers with ptsd.

  34. Dim sum mum says:

    i was able to talk to my 12 yr old girls today about physical abuse and how people in public can be great and in private they are not. They had seen the headlines and they could not believe that JD would beat/harm his wife. It was a sad, but necessary conversation.

    • CommentingBunny says:

      What a great mom-move. Good on you for making this a teaching moment.

    • Susie 1of 3 says:

      They’ll be able recognize it now if they see behavior they otherwise wouldn’t understand and people may be trying to cover up. Knowledge to keep a distance and protect themselves. Zero tolerance for any violence.

    • SilkyMalice says:

      Great idea! I will show these photos to my 12 year old daughter and explain to her why I will not be watching JD movies ever again.

    • paleokifaru says:

      Oh good for you! I had to be careful in explaining it to my SS because his mom actually did make false accusations against my husband. Thankfully the police saw right through them but I have no idea what, if anything, she has said to their son. So I explained what was being said by the general public and stressed the importance of reporting abuse and also of not crying wolf for something that was so important. And I told him if he ever felt threatened by anyone, no matter how much he loved them or how important they were to him or to others, he needed to tell me. I hope all of you were able to have meaningful conversations with your kiddos and that none of them end up in this situation!

  35. GreenAcres says:

    I don’t think anything is going to happen to him. Beyond paying more in the divorce.

    I mean — look at Chris Brown/Rihanna situation and he was arrested and charged. But he seems to still have a career.

    And I don’t think Amber is winning the PR game based on the comments I read on other sites (like ABC News, BBC etc).

    It’s just sad. And frustrating.

    • Miss S says:

      And those websites are perpetuating things that are not true or half of it:/

    • Colette says:

      I agree
      Most comments on most sites are Team Depp.

    • Sam says:

      It can be difficult to instantaneously change your opinion of a person you know, or think you know. Team Depp has attacked Amber with lots of bluster but not much substance. As more information comes out, public perception will change.

      There also may be an element of pushback against the immediate campaign to banish Depp forever. The complaints that Depp will still have a career come from a belief that DV offenders should be punished extra-judicially, a belief that not everyone shares.

      • paleokifaru says:

        It’s interesting because it’s a stance I didn’t understand when I was younger but the older I get the more I realize that my purchasing power helps set trends and voices what I do and do not believe in/support/condone. So I’m much more careful now about who and what I give my money to and that includes not supporting certain entertainers who I strongly believe are dangerous and/or immoral. And that all started in my early 20s with trying to avoid COS performers. I haven’t seen a Tom Cruise film in over a decade. Not only do I doubt I’m missing out, but I know I’m not giving that garbage any more money to abuse others.

    • SilkyMalice says:

      I don’t know. I think that Disney at least, will distance themselves. They almost have to – they portend to be family friendly, and now they have hard evidence he is anything but. Her bruised face is all over the media – I don’t really see him getting away with this.

  36. Donna Martin says:

    Wow, at first I thought it was going to just be juicy gossip since everyone thought this was a hot mess of a match right from the start. But now I am frightened for her and I believe her 100% even without the photos, although I am glad she has them and witnesses to support her since we all know what side the law is usually on.

  37. Livvers says:

    I hope this isn’t too OT because Johnny’s legal response up above is essentially saying Amber is a gold digger:

    Our whole cultural concept of gold-digger just confuses me. All it speaks to specifically is the act of a woman, often younger, marrying (or “trapping”) a richer older man, but it gives us no room to discuss any motivation other than crass greed. In reality, though, women who “marry up” may do it for any _number_ of motivations, often simultaneously, not all of them reprehensible. Anna Nicole Smith, for instance, was a gold digger but we could see that she was a vulnerable woman with a great capacity for affection who craved the security an older richer man could give her. Women have been marrying men for financial and social security and gain for _millenia_, because the world was so miserable for women it was often a matter of yours and your family’s survival, and if some of those ancient structures and patterns still exist in our society today and women take advantage of them, well? Marrying for romantic reasons is such a short blip in human history, _of course_ those other reasons are still built in to our cultural structure.

    I also think the judgments that are made about the gold-digger is somewhat similar to the blame that is assigned to the “other woman” or “other man” in an adulterous situation. Yes, they share culpability, but save some censure for the person who chose to cheat, or the man who chose marry or date where the power, finances, and age were so uneven. The fact is, losing money to a gold-digger is not really the disaster to the rich man that our reactions imply it is. It *may* be romantic disappointment, but look around us! It is so easy for rich men to make more money even after big losses. That guy trying to ruin Gawker lost almost $7 billion dollars of his and other people’s money and no one cares because he’s still a billionaire. Rich men will always come out ahead. Generally speaking, do not pity the man “taken in” by a gold digger. He will be fine.

    • Tourmaline says:

      Amen time to retire the tired “gold digger” trope. Or how about call the men involved out as “hot young body diggers” who are trying to cling to bygone youth and vitality in a vampiric way?

      • Jane says:

        Absolutely. Why not the opposite? Why not sugar daddy luring his prey relentlessly?

    • Livvers says:

      And to consider the “gold digger” claim in this specific instance, if Johnny makes $20 million a year (and he probably makes more when investments are taken into account), $50,000 a month spousal support is 3 % – say it again, THREE PER CENT — of Depp’s yearly income. Heard’s salary asking fee is probably in the $600,000 to $1 million range. I found a website that lists her last year’s income as $750,000, so if she had to turn down even ONE movie role last year while Depp required her to be on set with him, then her asking figure is exactly equivalent to her lost wages.

      • Samtha says:

        In those court docs, Amber also states that Depp did not directly support her. Aside from their apartment and possibly the car, she didn’t get (m)any financial benefits.

    • Lise says:

      I 100% agree with you on this and I have been wondering why the whole gold digging thing is a massive deal? I am not saying it’s right or wrong, but there are ALOT of other bad things going on in the world that merit worse feelings.

      I also agree with marrying for ‘romantic love’, it’s a social model that doesn’t have to be emulated, and people marry for different reasons such as security, culture, safety for their lives, it’s all very subjective.
      I may be taking this a bit too seriously but I remember in pride and prejudice, Charlotte (who ends up marrying Mr Collins) tells Elizabeth out rightly she’s not marrying for love, she isn’t interested in the slightest – she’s just of age to marry, bin asked by someone and clearly does not care about romance as it isn’t her thing. She ends up with a cushy lifestyle and doesn’t even have to see him that much, bonus!! So why the hell not?!!

      On a more serious note, I believe Amber was abused and taken in by him (being super famous) and I hope she bleeds him dry because he deserves all the sh*t he gets. It’s a horrible life living in fear, especially at a young age.

      • Jane says:

        And there are so many other romantic novels that tell similar stories about women as second class to men. Or women who end up with nothing simply because they succumbed to the pursuits of an untrustworthy man. Tolstoy, the Bronte sisters, Jane Austen. It’s so sad that in the 21st century women are still stereotyped. His lawyers should keep quiet on the gold digging angle.

      • Livvers says:

        Yes! And Elizabeth looks at Charlotte’s life and thinks to herself she could not bear a life like that long-term, and Charlotte looks at her account books and chickens and the mending and thinks about being able to hire an upper housemaid next year, and thinks, “this is all worth it.” And Elizabeth doesn’t think less of her, and Charlotte is genuinely happy when Elizabeth gets her romantic happy-ever-after, with no resentment.

      • LAK says:

        ……but you are discussing a world in which women had only one option to get ahead. Marriage was the only way women could get ahead and acquire some agency even if it was tied to marriage. Being single or unmarried in their time was a terrible thing. Worse than the animals in the barnyard. No legal standing except that which your father might grant you. At least as a married woman you had a sort of respect no matter how douchy a husband you had.

        Jane Austen etal wrote books that are on the surface romantic novels, but in reality were very pragmatic examinations of the poor state of womanhood and how helpless women were in society.

        Marriage had to be a pragmatic contract as Charlotte demonstrates because otherwise women were completely helpless and might end up in the poor house, a real horrible thing as highlighted by Charles Dickens in his novels, if they didn’t marry.

        Romance was a state only rich, privileged people could indulge in.

        Thank goodness we have choices now. We don’t have to get married to improve our lot.

        And because we’ve moved away from a situation where marriage was our only option, to marry for money as if we still lived in Jane Austen land is pretty poor show and the reason someone is dubbed a golddigger.

        Humans are complex and marry for all sorts of reasons, but if someone’s primary reason is money, they are golddigger. Period. Irrespective of gender since men are just as likely to marry for money as women.

      • lisa2 says:

        @LAK and Jane.

        Can you imagine what Jane Austen would be writing if she were alive today. OMG.. I would love to see that.

    • Kitten says:

      Great comment, Livvers.

    • SilkyMalice says:

      Thank you! That term needs to die.

    • PandaCookie says:

      This totally. And agree also with Tourmaline that “gold digger” should be retired stat. Along with “whore” “mistress” “slut” etc.

  38. Pandy says:

    Wow $50 grand a month? She sure settled into the good life pretty quickly. But I’m sure that has no bearing on this negative publicity. I’m not sure I buy it. Sure yelling and screaming and breaking stuff is traumatic but he didn’t manhandle her In front of witnesses. Nothing was done in front of witnesses. And she’s an actress. And alleging domestic abuse is a sure fire way to walk out with the support money she’s looking for. Maybe she hit herself. Would fry him In the court of public opinion. It seems to be working already.

    • HappyMom says:

      Reread. Yes-it was in front of witnesses: her neighbor and his bodyguards.

    • Lambda says:

      Just don’t.

    • Tate says:

      I don’t think she is a good enough actress to fake this. This is sad stuff.

      • lisa2 says:

        Johnny Depp is not some second rate celebrity. If she is going to accuse him of something this serious I would imagine she would have her facts and together. Because if she is lying it would ruin her life in more ways than one. She would be blacklisted not to mention he could sue her for Defamation of character. She would never be able to work again because this business and society are far harsher one women than men.

      • jinglebellsmell says:

        Tate, I was thinking the same thing with the shot of her breaking down after court. No offense, but she’s not that good of an actress. That look is genuine. She may have been infatuated with Johnny, even a gold digger, determined to become an A list actress, and basically chose to give it all up in order to stop being emotionally and physically abused. If you were ever abused, you know how controlled you are. Standing up for yourself against your average person seems next to impossible, but against a well-loved mega star like Johnny Depp? When you finally stand up, it just all explodes and comes out.

    • isabelle says:

      Yes I’m going to be blunt… you not have reading comprehension? Re-read it or you actually need to read it for the first time.

  39. Hmm says:

    This makes me so ducking sad. I was in a comparable situation with an actor of a similar status years ago (but not as serious, or long, and sexual/emotional rather than physical) and I still remember all of the emotional turmoil. You don’t want to speak up because you’re terrified people will call you a gold digger even if you genuinely care about the person, and you just can’t take that on top of everything else. You also don’t want to speak out because while the person has a terrible side, they also have a good side and have heartbreakingly few people they can trust, and you make excuses for their bad behaviour, such as the fact that fame is terrifyingly isolating and lonely. I’m almost positive that Amber’s situation is in the common or in majority with relationships with actors of Depp’s status, who experiences fame at an early age.

    She is so, so, brave. I hope through all of this she can gain her own power back.

  40. Jane says:

    Ok, so there goes his Alice Through the Looking Glass box office sales.

    • lisa2 says:

      It is projected to make 40 million over the 4 Day Holiday. That’s a very low number. Not sure if it is because of Johnny’s personal life. But this was suppose to be huge and it’s not starting out that way

    • mary simon says:

      Please let it be a box office flop.

      • Mika says:

        There are other people involved in this movie who also have bills to pay. I hope this movie breaks even for all the “little” people who also have their hand in the pie.

  41. CornyBlue says:

    I am rooting so hard for Amber and I hope she pulls through. The information looks to damning to not be against Depp no matter what basement dwelling trolls would like us to believe.
    But I hope people put their money where their mouth is and never see a Johnny Depp movie ever again. They never do anything that might profit him in some way. This probably a moot point he is worth hundreds of millions but it would perhaps make Hollywood start realizing abuse is not be tolerated no matter who the abuser is.

    • Saks says:

      I’m also rooting for her. She has proven to be a brave woman with a lot of dignity. It is so difficult to get out from DV situations, it is draining in every way. So I admire anyone who is willing to leave and confront her/his abuser. I hope she has a lot of love and support from her love ones, she is going to need them a lot.

      I also don’t think she was a golddiger, because as some people are saying, he was the one chasing her in the first place and now, if it was about the money, she could’ve accept what his camp offered her (which I’m assuming it would be more than she can get of by doing things this way).

      • Miss S says:

        I have many problems about the substance of that generalized accusation considering the different stages of their relationship and exactly what she did. As a gold digger, if that was the case, she was really lame…

        I’m not a fan of her acting chops or the arrogance she usually conveys in interviews (maybe I should reread them without the narrative around her bitchy ways), but what I would love to see happening was to see her being amazing in that Aquaman film, with her head high gaining more opportunities for her without ever touching this subject EVER. And seeing Depp having problems getting jobs until he cleaned up and even then, make a public apology to her.

  42. original kay says:

    I don’t she is smiling in that instagram pic. I think her friends rallied around her and they took a “we support and love you” picture with her.

    • Jane says:

      Exactly. That photo shouldn’t be judged. Not at all.

    • Miss S says:

      That photo seems to have been taken a week before considering what Amanda was wearing (it was her instagram account) on photos from that day. This seems to be another move like the one showing her photos leaving the Tiffany’s store that were actually from last month:(

  43. Rapunzel says:

    A few thoughts:

    1. Team Depp says Amber is just reacting to the media slurs. So what if she is? She may have intended not to turn this into a spectacle for herself, but changed her mind when he vilified her in the press. That’s totally within her rights, and fits with the attitude of shame/fear most victims feel.

    2. Team Depp also says she doesn’t need a restraining order cause Johnny is filming overseas. Wtf? That’s the dumbest argument ever. There are airplanes, you know.

    3. Amber is supposed to film Justice League soon. Why in heaven’s name would she make up stuff and drag herself into a court battle that might cost her a high profile, long term, lucrative job?

    4. Asking for spousal support may have been her lawyer’s idea, and putting together the restraining order request might have taken time. So we do not know if Amber is eager for money. Nor do we know when she decided to file the restraining order.

    • lisa2 says:

      regarding the money thing; she said that Johnny never supported her financially. Even though he was rich. That is what I don’t understand. Did she have to pay for things when they were out together or vacations. It is a strange statement. I wonder if he did that so that down the road he could point out that she had been self supporting throughout the marriage and hadn’t become accustomed to his income.

      • Miss S says:

        I read that and was also confused. Because it seems that she may have benefited from him but not with autonomy. I would assume as an example that she didn’t pay for plain tickets or hotels when with him but when alone it was her responsibility. But at the same time she asks to keep the car and the house which she wouldn’t have to ask if it was hers, right? So maybe he gave her access to things but didn’t exactly gave away anything? That’s confusing.
        But i understand that living a certain lifestyle when marrying someone rich is expected (unless the rich one decides to live like his partner which isn’t expected at all) but even outside of this context Amber/Depp I never really grasp how people manage these dynamics, because money is power.

      • Samtha says:

        It means basically that she did not have access to his bank accounts and he didn’t give her an allowance. If she wanted clothes, to travel on her own, etc., she paid for it herself. He didn’t provide daily living money, in other words.

  44. minx says:

    I never thought he was conventional or easy to live with, but I thought he was basically a good guy who loved his family.
    I was just thinking of him in various movies that I loved, like Gilbert Grape or Ed Wood.
    I’ll never be able to look at him the same way.

    • lisa2 says:

      I’m by no means saying this it you.. but far too often people relate celebrities to the characters they play on the big or small screen. We fall in love with those characters. They made us laugh or cry. We remember them because they were a part of our growing up.. learning.. But we have to know that they are not the people or characters they portray. they are saying the words that writers write. Moving the way the Director directs them.. It is all pretend. I have seen too many stories of actors that were so loved on the screen; but were horrid people off the screen. I don’t know who is telling the truth.. but I do hope the one that is will be vindicated when all is said and done.

  45. isabelle says:

    Thanks CB for showing Amber’s side of the story as well as Depps. A lot of the other sites jumped on Depps site immediately & continuously are running slams pieces against Amber, making out Depp to be the only victim. Her as a heartless gold-digger and the comments are disgusting. As someone that was in emotionally abusive relationship (bet a lot of women on here have the same story) and he had rage incidents, this gossip is heartbreaking to me and also fascinating to follow. Can’t believe this is 2016 and women are still blamed and made out to be the ‘bad’ one. It being all her fault and the man is a saint. Heard a comment yesterday that America is one of the most abusive and sexist countries in the world but we think we’re one of the most progressive. After some of the comments and gossip site I’ve read, I’m starting to believe the statement.

  46. megsie says:

    Not an Amber fan, but I’ve no doubt Johnny has verbally and physically abused her. None. I might be one of a small handful who never liked the guy, even in his golden 90s era. He’s slime and always has been, hanging with a disreputable crowd up to and including LA gangsters and mafia. Vanessa and the move to France (with the mob hot on his tail, mind you) may have improved the situation some but a leopard never realy changes his spots. I hope to hell this takes him down.

    • Miss S says:

      “with the mob hot on his tail, mind you”

      Wow, tell me more!

    • Illyra says:

      His friendship with Damien Echols is what *really* put me off him… that guy is not right in the head.

  47. escondista says:

    He deserves to be punished for battery if proven guilty and she should get her divorce. She does not need 50,000 per month, she needs payment for medical and therapy and a divorce settlement appropriate for their time together.

    • SilkyMalice says:

      She doesn’t need 50K a month? That seems a strange statement. At any rate, asking is just a formality because if she doesn’t ask for it when she files, she will never be able to ask for it again.

      • Miss S says:

        I learned that recently. There’s a lot of misinformation about the legal procedure in California and standard procedures are being read as a strategic money grabbing on her part. And media are just perpetuating non checked “facts” increasing the confusion:/

  48. Lucilu says:

    Maybe, she didn’t know that he was a woman beater, but surely she knew he was a drug-addicted drunken idiot, minutes after she slept with him. What made her think he was going to change for her? Run like the wind girl!

    • jc126 says:

      I don’t know what Amber specifically knew or didn’t know, but I agree that it’s foolish to think you can change a person. I wish more people (especially the young) were taught this. In a local case near me, a former MMA fighter was arrested for assaulting his girlfriend viciously. He was arrested for attempted murder in 2013. Why go out with a dirtbag like that?

  49. Carmen says:

    After reading some of the comments on the People Mag website, I want to rip out my eyeballs and throw them into the washing machine.

    • Miss S says:

      I just stopped myself from doing that, I just stay here and Pajiba. Rational people don’t seem to be the majority online. I read things that made me sick and totally justify why women are so afraid of coming forward, they get attacks on their character, motivations and credibility, there’s so much venom I just can’t deal with. No empathy whatsoever.

    • JIll says:

      Haha. I was on there and started replying to almost every insane comment on there and had had to stop myself from going down that rabbit hole.

  50. stinky says:

    omg this is all gonna take me the whole Memorial Day weekend to read & get thru …
    Dude looks like SHIT and i think we can all agree now that this girl/woman has been trying, and finally made her stand. He f’n asked for it. Every damn bit of it.

  51. celeste says:

    HUGE FAIL on the part of whomever released these documents without properly redacting them. MASSIVELY HUGE FAIL.

  52. Sam says:

    Andy Richter tweets:

    “One of the things you can pay a publicist to do is to make your ex look bad in the press after you’ve been accused of abuse”

    “Some publicists even specialize in such things”

  53. craly says:

    How the hell could this be “settled outside of court”? to me that means $$.

    There is no other way it could be settled.

    • Sam says:

      To finalize a divorce, a settlement (division of property) must be signed by a judge. When celebrity couples divorce, they almost always use a retired judge for increased privacy. It’s puzzling why Depp’s lawyers didn’t agree to at least try private mediation. Even if they couldn’t come to an agreement, it would have been in their client’s best interest to allow both parties time to cool down. Plus, this sh!tstorm is happening the opening weekend of Depp’s Alice movie. Disney must be thrilled.

  54. Jag says:

    She definitely could have been smiling after having suffered abuse earlier in the day. I ended up being very disassociative, which allowed me to smile and act natural when I had to be around people. Had I acted upset, morose, or scared of my abuser, he would have made it worse for me the next time we were alone.


    • jinglebellsmell says:

      Agreed. It’s like a survival mechanism that kicks in.

    • Miss S says:

      Apparently that instagram image was taken a week before. It’s from Amanda’s instagram account.

  55. Miss S says:

    I’ve been commenting a lot and tried to follow the details of all of this because it really made feel sick to see the info shared, the media manipulation and most commenters reactions around the net.

    What I want to just leave here is this: If Amber is a master of manipulation and wants to use the story to take money from him from a faked DV complaint… he has the power do destroy her and taking her to court for messing up with his public image, which is a big part of his success. How on earth would she dare to go there without strong actual proof when she has no public sympathy or has any kind of power in comparison to him?

  56. jinglebellsmell says:

    I don’t mean to sound melodramatic, but once all is said and done, I may be saying goodbye to Edward, Ed, Ichabod, Jack, Gilbert…Ugh, it kills me. I’ve been a fan since the 80’s and he’s always been my happy escape. But deep below the characters are the actors themselves and I’m sickened by what may be the truth. I’m glad to see many cases of women supporting women and not bashing Amber simply because she broke up his relationship and was what some would think of as a gold digger. Those sentiments put aside, no one deserves to be watched by a security team as they are beaten. On so many levels I hope this is not true, I don’t want to believe it…but my heart tells me not to vilify the supposed victim until she’s had a chance to be heard.

    • lisa2 says:

      I don’t think Amber broke up his relationship. He is a grown man and left his partner of 14 years. He obviously wanted Amber. She didn’t make him leave. We as humans we are responsible for the choices we make in life. If we give that power to others means we are no more important than lower animals.

      I was never a big Depp fan.. So it is not a disappointment for me. But I can understand how fans feel hurt. I would be that way if it was my favorite actor or actress.

      • roses says:

        I’m actually starting to wonder if Vanessa got sick and tired of his drinking/drug use. It seems it started up again after they officially moved back to the States, which would have been what around 2010/2011? During that time he started consistently hanging back with Mansion and that crew. Vanessa probably was just over it by that time and so Amber probably wasn’t even a factor to Vanessa when it came to ending the relationship.

    • megsie says:

      She’s certainly no more responsible for the break in Johnny and Vanessa’s relationship than he is, but neither is she less responsible. Things begun badly rarely end well, thats true, but she didn’t deserve a beating. no one does. ever.

  57. Tara says:

    Ah, this is so sad. And yeah, she is being viciously ripped apart all over the internet. Thank God I haven’t gone to the Daily Male and won’t, but over on Dlisted they are ripping her. I went off on a couple of them yesterday. My guess is none of this will change their minds. And it’s not because they’re “stans” of his. It’s because they hate women. That’s the truth.

    • GreenieWeenie says:

      can you imagine what they’d be doing if this involved their deity, Leonardo DiCaprio?

  58. Dangles says:

    At first I thought Amber was cold for filing so fast after Depp’s mother had died, because quite frankly I’ve never liked her and judging her for it tied in well with my opinion. But then I felt embarrassed about it when the abuse stories emerged. Now I’m reserving judgment until all the facts are in and the situation has played out in the courts.

    There’s no excuse for violence against women and Depp can’t undo what he’s allegedly done. So what’s the best course of action he could take to make some kind of amends?

  59. Chanteloup says:

    Reading this is making me sick — flashbacks from my own marriage which became abusive when my husband started using. I was terrified for my life when he was high. Still scarred and trying to get over it.
    I’ve always been a Johnny supporter and fan. I always saw him as a genuinely kind and loving person [as was my husband; that’s why I married him].
    Now — this again? — I think I will NEVER be able to pick a truly loving person.
    Excuse me while I curl up and cry.

  60. Noname says:

    There’s no excuse for abuse but she loses me with requesting 50k/mo in spousal support for a short term marriage.

    • Read please says:

      You can read above why her lawyer included that standard request in the comments. And I am sure she’s not concerned about “losing” you. She was more concerned about losing her life.

  61. Dangles says:

    Still waiting for suggestions on how Depp can attempt to make amends if the allegations are true.

    My suggestions are as follows:

    1. Come clean and confess to all wrong doing and throw himself on the mercy of the court and the court of public opinion.
    2. Apologize to Amber and ask her what she would like him to do to try and make it up to her.
    3. Seek help.
    4. Never commit acts of violence towards women again.
    5. Donate a substantial amount of money towards women’s shelters and services that aim to rehabilitate men who have issues with violence towards women.
    6. Retire from acting and withdraw from public life on the basis that he has forfeited the privilege to be a high profile public figure.

    Did I miss anything?

    • Dangles says:

      I need to edit 5.

      5. Donate a substantial amount of money towards women’s shelters and services that aim to rehabilitate men who have committed acts of violence towards women.


    • BettyBoop says:

      One thing sticks out to me after reading the court papers – her lawyer said they tried to settle it out of court but she deliberately gave them a very limited amount of time to respond before going to court to ask for the TRO. They were told that Depp was out of town – which Heard should have known. Since he was out of town and wasn’t due back for 2 weeks – why the rush to make him sign the papers before May 27 when that obviously was NOT going to happen since he was out of the country? If they’d truly wanted to keep it quiet they’d have sent the paperwork to him by courier – since it has to be signed in person. It’s pretty obvious they never meant to give him time sign the papers – which is fine, but it looks shady. I just wish she’d have pressed charges and then got the TRO. Not once in that entire thing was there anything saying she advised her client to file charges. I don’t get that. If it’s not about the money – and he clearly abused her – then file charges.

      I also don’t see anything about the police arriving as was reported earlier. The LAPD has been telling inquiring news agencies that they went to the residence on May 21 and didn’t see any marks on her face. Are they lying and covering up for Depp? Plus, her friends didn’t actually see him hit or attack her. They saw the yelling after he allegedly (I’m using the word loosely!) attacked her and threw the phone at her and the smashing up of the apt.

      It don’t look good for Depp though. If he were smart he’d get his ass into rehab, give her the money she wants and hope the public forgives him more than they did Mel Gibson.

      • AliceToo says:

        The woman is playing the cards she has. She wants out and regardless of her reasons behind that, she’s placed him in a position where he’ll be getting immense amounts of pressure from Disney to make this go away and quickly.

  62. Cora says:

    Well Paul Bettany is now dead to me. He’s not only defending Depp on Twitter, he’s being down right hostile and arrogant about it in the replies.

    • EM says:

      He is trying to get media attention in the hope of something – even though he is a sh$%y actor.

    • Samtha says:

      That made me really sad. I’ve always liked him. I get that you want to defend your friend, but…maybe just wait until the evidence is in, like he’s telling everyone else.

    • JIll says:

      these actors will get on their soapbox about every damn issue but still when it comes to victims or womens rights its like crickets…

      • Juliette says:

        Yes, but good old Rainn Wilson totally called him out! Called him a wife beater on Twitter. Hope there is more of this.

    • siri says:

      He always was arrogant, it just shows better now. He argues with: “I know him (Johnny) better than YOU!” – it’s not just plain stupid, but irresponsible.

  63. Miran says:

    What a shit show, that poor woman.

    • JIll says:

      I really feel for her.
      And now thinking about it, i really dont believe there is any male celeb right now that is tougher to have to go up against than him. He really is beloved by people of all ages. Women love him and he has been well connected and wealthy for a long time. Either way she will have a tough go in Hollywood now

      • EM says:

        Agree. I think she will get a hefty payout, a sizeable chunk of his earnings throughout the duration of his marriage.
        He will have her blacklisted. Men who beat women are not a huge deal for the big Hollywood players, not when they protect pedophile scum.
        In that scenario, she deserves something like 50 million to 100 million.

  64. TOPgirl says:

    This girl wanted his money from the beginning. Every since he met her, he started to really go down hill, physically and career wise. I think he was crazy about her and in a way became possessive of her but she loved his money and stayed in the relationship. Now she wants spousal support? WTH. If she really wants to get away from him, really wants him out of her life….then she should leave without asking for this type of money. It’s not like they have children together. Honestly, I feel bad that she got hit by him….but the money aspect if fishy. I hope Johnny wins the case tho..he shouldn’t have to support her ass just because she wants to continue living that lifestyle.

    • maili says:

      No it’s not fishy. She is entitled to spousal support if he has been abusing her. As we have witnessed this week with nearly every single website having a pro-Depp spin, his PR team is vicious towards her (“she divorced him right after his mother died”, “his family hated her”, “she has too many lesbian friends” etc). Amber divorcing him is going to be career-suicide for herself. She’s going to be black-listed from Hollywood like every other actor’s wife who dared to speak up about their abuse. Whatever happened to any of their careers after that? That’s right, they didn’t have one anymore. He also messed with her face, which as an actress is her livelihood. So yes, as her coming forward about the abuse has ruined most of her chances at potential future earnings, she is entitled to spousal support.

      • Sam says:

        “She is entitled to spousal support if he has been abusing her.”

        Not in California, according to my understanding. California is a no-fault divorce state. Her options are the same as any other person abused by a celebrity: sue in civil court for damages, or negotiate a settlement in exchange for signing a confidentiality agreement. In addition, if she files a criminal complaint with the police and Depp is convicted of a crime, then the criminal court has the option of ordering financial restitution to the victim.

    • margaret says:

      TOPgirl You are right.

    • Ana A. says:

      Have you read the comments? She has to ask for spousal support at this time. Beside, he was only with her because of her young body. How’s that less fishy? He got the trophy wife she got the lifestyle. That was the deal. If he abused her she has every right to ask for compensation and for spousal support.

  65. AliceToo says:

    I’m also waiting to see what his lawyers come back with. She stated in the restraining order that the catalyst for this particular incident was his delusional, paranoid obsession about her relationship with her friend Io. (reading between the lines since she phoned the woman to de-escalate the situation). This is the same person she apparently moved into the guest house on his LA compound. His reaction to all of this strikes me as “Go rot in h*ll” which (and I could be wrong), doesn’t seem very characteristic of how he’s dealt with the end of previous relationships. It’s smacks of the sort of response that someone who feels used, duped and humiliated would have.

    At the moment, we have only Amber’s version of “he’s imagining things”. We don’t actually know if that’s true or not. It doesn’t excuse the violence but maybe there is more to his current attitude of “scr*w you” than we’re aware of. His lawyers seemed to be hinting in that direction, maybe they know something that we don’t and maybe the people on twitter who know him and are asking people to not jump to conclusions do as well.

    • Samtha says:

      Look, it doesn’t matter if she screwed the New York Giants in his living room while he watched. That doesn’t justify multiple acts of violence against her.

      • AliceToo says:

        Which is why I said “It doesn’t excuse the violence”. The man clearly has major issues that he hasn’t bothered to deal with. It’s high time he does, 50 years of the Terrible Twos is about 49 too many.

        My point was that just because “A” is true, it doesn’t guarantee that “B” is also true. As the narrative stands, he’s prone to violent rages because he’s obsessed about some paranoid delusion that only exists in his head. And he’s being a vindictive a** about a financial arrangement over something that never happened. Amber did nothing at all to provoke his anger, she deserves every penny. And maybe that’s the case. I’m just saying that maybe it’s not and he’s got reason to be angry and not want to give her a cent. It doesn’t give him any excuse to become violent, but it would certainly put his anger and apparent vindictiveness into a different light. Just as everyone felt bad about jumping to conclusions about Amber being a cold hearted gold digger, maybe we should also give Depp the time to respond to whether or not he has a valid reason for being angry and wanting to give her nothing. There is no valid reason for violence though, I’ll repeat that again.

  66. Alice says:

    Calling her a “gold digger” is beyond rediculous considering her career looked promising after filming the Rum Diaries. There are witnesses to his behavior and no matter what happened it’s no excuse for the abuse that poor women endured. Those defending him are ignorant and naive and there is really no point in reasoning with stupidity.

  67. Rebecca says:

    Thank you for getting more information on this, posting this article and sharing your views on what happened. Most of the other articles out there have been pro Johnny Depp and Amber is a liar and gold digger type stories.

    There should be no excuse for domestic violence.

  68. Jeanette says:

    Unpopular opinion…Something just does not add up for me.

    The police found no evidence of abuse. Where was the mess?

    As I understand, even if the victim does not choose to press charges, the police are obligated to report and follow up on those allegations. Then the DA decides based on their investigation, whether the state wants to bring charges.
    The instagram picture she posted the day after. Sure her hair is covering her cheek, but the expression on her face..she looks really happy.

    Then, although she says she was trying protect their images, the next day-she goes makeup free, bruise on her face is highlighted, she wants everyone to see it.

    These things just do not feel right to me… That and the fact that Vanessa Paradisis has now weighed in and said he was never violent towards her.

    • margaret says:

      You are right. This bruise on her face is too highlighted for the recent one. You can make the same in cosmetic procedures. And this publicity stunt with an ugly dress and no makeup looks very cheap and fishy.

      • maili says:

        And if she had covered up the bruise with makeup and worn a non “ugly” dress to court, everyone would have accused her of having no bruise and being too happy. She literally can’t win.

    • Rebecca says:

      Yes, they are required to bring charges if the victim does not. I think this is precisely why the police in this case keep on repeating they didn’t see anything. If they admit they saw the bruise but did nothing about it, then they get in trouble. What’s fishy is the police not doing their job. I think this happens a lot with famous people. I know it happens with sports figures all the time. The police don’t want to get their favorite athlete in trouble. Perhaps the police also ignore it when it’s a movie star. Or it could be that the bruise was more visible the day after than the day of. Bruises do look much worse the next day.

    • Miss S says:

      “The police found no evidence of abuse.” Media and people are perpetuating this info but it isn’t true because there was NO OFFICIAL report from the police. That was a source from TMZ.

  69. siri says:

    Vanessa Paradis has issued a public statement on this, she shouldn’t have IMO:

    • AliceToo says:

      His first wife did as well, which is also available on TMZ. What she said and what Vanessa said are pretty consistent.

      I’m not sure why you think she shouldn’t have. Sitting back and saying nothing after being with the guy for 14 years would have been perceived as a damning silence. He’s also the father of her children who are both old enough to understand and be impacted by what is currently in the press.

      • lisa2 says:

        I can understand why she released a statement. I saw Lily Rose arriving at the airport and the press were all over her. Asking invasive questions. There is no doubt that Vanessa and the first wife are also being hounded by the media too. Everyone that the press knows who has had any relationship with Johnny will be asked if he was abusive. Especially the women. Vanessa and his first wife can speak to what happened to them.

        But their experiences don’t mean he was not abusive to Amber.

      • AliceToo says:

        Agreed. They can speak of their own experience, full stop. And maybe there is someone on this board with far more knowledge than I who will hopefully chip in, but my understanding of abusive people is that they don ‘t just suddenly become abusive, it’s a pattern.

        That said, someone brought up a possible meth addiction, which aside from the bloat, would easily account for his rapidily deteriorating appearance and behaviour that maybe he didn’t exhibit in the past. Any experts on what that does here?

    • Toniko says:

      Now waiting when/if Disney is gonna reach Kate and Winona…

  70. roxane says:

    Who cares what Paradis says, it take one time to be a women-beater. The fact that he didn’t hit on her is irrevelant.

    • coffeeplease says:

      I totally agree. Same goes for Paul Bettany who tweeted “known Johnny Depp for years and through several relationships. He’s the sweetest, kindest, gentlest man that I’ve ever known. Just saying.”

      How is that relevant? Many serial killers, mass murderers etc were nice and loyal on the surface to their friends. The fact that he didn’t hit you doesn’t mean he doesn’t hit his partners. It’s like a person getting caught while trying to rob a bank (c’mon Amber had multiple witnesses and visible bruises) and his friends chiming in that the dude was always a good friend. Irrelevant and classless of Bettany.

      It’s like people lose all their critical thinking skills once it’s domestic violence against women. Analyzing whether she’s asking for money, why she’s asking for money, why she married him in the first place…it’s all implying that EVEN THOUGH HE ABUSED HER, some part of her deserved it for being a golddigger, naive, an enabler or just after cash. It’s absolutely disgusting.

    • siri says:

      Of course it doesn’t prove anything, but the fact alone that she does issue this shows, how busy Depp’s people are to create a huge support base for him, and if you read comments all over the internet up to now, most people take side with Depp. It’s frustrating to watch how manipulation works, and that another woman jumps in to his defence, although she doesn’t know a thing about the relationship dynamics of Depp/Heard. There also was an article stating that Paradis was concerned about Depp not having a prenup, so her kids would ‘loose out’ on money…

      • AliceToo says:

        Likely because in France when you get married, there is a “marriage contract”. By default, if you don’t choose something different, everything becomes community property. You can also choose “separation of assets” where what is your’s is your’s, their’s is their’s. Or another where what is your’s before marriage is your’s, what is their’s before marriage is their’s, what is acquired during marriage is communal property. She might be thinking like a French person, no marriage contract = everything he owns is communal property. And why shouldn’t she worry about her kids, there’s nothing wrong with that.

      • siri says:

        It’s financial worries, not worries about her kids, right? And why would anything, financially speaking, change for her kids with whatever the outcome of this divorce might be? He would still have to pay her child support. IF Vanessa was ‘thinking like a French person’, she would know that under the regime communauté légale ( with no prenup) anything purchased AFTER the marriage will be considered a jointly owned asset, whereas anything purchased before will be the property of the sole purchaser. The exception to this rule is donations and legacies which will remain the sole property of the beneficiary even if they are received during the marriage. So, what’s to worry?

      • AliceToo says:

        @Siri: the default contract that applies if you haven’t specifically chosen something different is that ALL property, pre-marriage and during the marriage, is considered community property. The contract that you are referring to is one that you have to choose, not the default. She would be entitled to half of everything he owns IF they had married in France without deliberately signing something different. Just to add, I married a Frenchman and had these discussions before getting married with the equivalent of a French lawyer, so I’m not pulling this information out of a hat. I’ll also add that at the time, pre-nups were illegal in my country and I found the process incredibly offensive. A big Napolean hangover, as are their inheritance laws.

        There is a big difference between CA divorce law and French divorce law. And inheritence laws in France favor the children, not the spouse. So… thinking like a French person, no pre-nup/marriage contract equals Amber being entitled to half of everything he owns after 15 months of marriage. 200 million dollars, if what we are told is correct. Not whatever CA laws allow after a 15 month period, which is considerably less.

      • siri says:

        @AliceToo: Sorry, but I seem to understand that differently, mutual consent and no-prenup given: “As a default, property acquired during a marriage is held in common (régime légal de communauté réduite aux acquêts) while property acquired outside the marriage is not. This means that property owned prior to the marriage, gifts and inheritances will normally not be considered as part of the joint assets. Joint assets are typically divided equally.”

    • maili says:

      I agree. He also clearly has been abusing drugs and alcohol to a much more extreme level recently, which could make him more prone to violent outbursts. He was on a talk show the other day and was barely coherent. Or maybe just the fact that he has so much control over Amber (both age and money/power wise) makes him act differently, because he thinks he can get away with it.

      I do not understand why all these people feel the need to jump to his defence, when the only person who has any actual insight into how he has been acting behind closed doors for the last 4 years is Amber. Even if they don’t think he is guilty why do they need to state it to the whole world, when all it is doing is trying to discredit someone who has been brave enough to speak up about their abuse? I’d rather believe her and find out I was wrong, than not believe someone who spoke up saying they were terrified for their life and it turned out to be true.

    • Carrie says:

      It’s naive to think what Paradis said irrelevant. It’s relevant to the public opinion and even a jury will think it’s relevant if the case ever gets that far. Right now the majority of people on the internet think Amber is a golddigger, which makes her less credible. People think she would have done anything for money. It’s hard to change this kind of perception. Now with Paradis statement and the other one from his ex-wife, Amber will have a very hard time to convince the public unless she really has an undisputable video to prove Johnny beat her. A statement from a friend is not going to do anything because people will think the friend is biased.

    • tracking says:

      Right, just because they didn’t have a toxic relationship doesn’t mean that he and Heard did not as well. He seemed healthy and well with Paradis, of course he behaved differently than the out-of-control addict he seems to have become. I can tell you first hand that addicts, when high, can act completely crazy and unlike their usual selves.

  71. ida says:

    it is no wonder paradis wrote this statement. she is the mother of his kids and has their interest in mind first. plus: I am sure she was not so fond of being replaced by a younger actress a couple of years ago and now feels no desire to say something that might help that woman. for me it would be more interesting to hear the opinion of ryder or moss even though I doubt they want to say anything. even so: I think people forget that the depp now is not the depp he once was. this man has a drug (heroin/meth) and alcohol problem as it shows MEGA. he is out of control. I personally have no doubt he smashed an iphone into heards face. it is irrevelant why she married him or why he married her. I fully understand why she is seeking for spousal support. her career is over because of him. I also have hope I got why depp does not want to give her any. his career is over, too. but not because of her. it is also because of him as he is a junkie and should have cleaned his act ages ago.

  72. Zazz says:

    I personally have stoppped liking Depp after the Viper Room drama where my baby, River died.

    I blame Depp partially for that death. Drugs were sold and consumed heavily and on a regular basis in his club with his tacite consent. There were shady people in there gravitating aroung young Hollywood stars.

    Also there was a criminal case opened to some witness, a close collaborator of Depp who should have testified for that River death and who suddenly disappeared ever since.

    This case has never been entirely solved.

    I remember Depp travelling extensively in Europe to flee the drama and the hateful campaign against him after River’s death. That’s when he met Paradis.

    To me, Depp has always struck me as a criminal at heart, a violent immoral wanna be hypster full of booze and drugs who fought his demonds all his life and decided to get sober for good the day he heard that Paradis was pregnant.

    He was motivated by his future fatherhood, won some battles but ultimately lost the war against his demons.

    I believe as children got older, he went back to his true and old self, left the french village he was living in all these where, met a young woman like he favors them, got back to the Hollyweird lifestyle and to his violent demeanour wich got worsen by the middle life crisis he is clearly going through.

  73. SideEye says:

    Seems a bit red flag-ish to me that she waited until after his moms death….. Why? Because johnnys mom knew the truth…. About everything…. Maybe?

  74. Bolivar83 says:

    This has been festering in my mind for a few days since I’ve read the posts. I cannot get it out of my thoughts….a commenter above had the terrible experience of her mother getting involved with a man others close to him knew was abusive. They wonder why nothing was said, no warning given her mother who might have made difft decision w more info

    This was my situation. On the day if my father’s third wedding, my sister had a total breakdown. His fiance told me how hurt she was my sister didn’t attend the wedding. This was with the knowledge that my father had struck my sister in the face a few days before. My older sister had had a in depth conversation w this sane woman approx 1 year earlier. My older sister had told her about my f at hers abuse, ultra violence and terrorizing. His finance later said she thought my sister had exaggerated. I myself told his fiacne about his extreme abuse.

    The problem is, my dad is fantastically handsome and charismatic. Think of a better looking Robert deniro, and that is him. He is smooth, commanding, funny he was able to charm and still is. When I tried to tell about his abuse when I was a kid, I was diagnosed as a troublemaker, and labeled a slut (I was not even 9 at the time)

    We went out of our way, at our own risk to warn her, but everyone thought he was fanrastic, a hellofa guy. This is the man who threatened to beat me until he broke every bone in my face if I ever crossed him, after a severa large-hour beating bc I had tried to kill myself

    No one belive you. You are the sour grapes, the hard luck loser kids this fantastic man was saddled with, his long suffering cross to bear, the anchors that weigh down his happiness. Nevermind that he gave zero support in any way financially or other growing up. His support came in the form of beatings and humiliations not in school clothes or Dr’s visits or food on the meager table

    She later said she thought we were lying. She refused to hear or see. That has been my majority experience when people meet my dad- surely I must be exaggerating.

    I’m not saying your mom would have ignored this, trying to explain why people don’t tell. All my life no one beloved me, they think my stories are inflated, exaggerated….once they’ve been through his wringer they join the ranks of the horrifued, the scarred