Amber Heard was arrested for domestic violence against Tasya van Ree in 2009


TMZ continues to operate at Team Johnny Depp’s mouthpiece and private investigator for some reason. TMZ delivered Team Depp’s hopeful PR-knockout against Amber Heard’s story in the past 12 hours. First, TMZ is still obsessed with the idea that Amber faked her injuries from the late May incident, where Heard claimed that Depp attacked her and hit her in the face with an iPhone. TMZ reports that two of the concierges working at Amber and Johnny Depp’s LA building say that they “saw no bruising on her face” on Monday, May 23rd, two days after the attack. The concierges even said that her complexion looked great, and if they’re called to testify, that’s what they’ll say. So, yeah. But TMZ dropped the biggest “bombshell” overnight. Amber was once arrested and booked for domestic violence against her then-girlfriend Tasya van Ree.

Amber Heard — who claims she was the victim of domestic violence by husband Johnny Depp — was herself arrested for domestic violence against her then-domestic partner … TMZ has learned. According to law enforcement sources and documents, Amber and Tasya van Ree got in an argument on September 14, 2009 at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport. Amber allegedly grabbed and struck Tasya in the arm, which upset Tasya and triggered the arrest.

Amber was arrested and booked for misdemeanor domestic violence. Her mug shot was taken and she appeared in court the following day. TMZ has obtained audio of the court hearing, where the prosecutor declined to move forward with the case — we’re told because the women both lived in California. The judge told Amber she was not off the hook … prosecutors could reconsider and refile within the 2-year statute of limitations. Amber thanks the judge and leaves the courtroom. We reached out to Amber’s lawyer … so far no word back.

[From TMZ]

It’s worth noting that Amber and Tasya stayed together for several years after this 2009 incident and it’s widely believed that Amber “left” Tasya for Johnny back in 2013-ish. It’s also worth noting that even if Amber struck Tasya in the arm once, that doesn’t mean that somehow Johnny Depp never abused Amber. But it would stupid to think that this 2009 arrest doesn’t damage Amber’s case. Once again, we’re reminded that if you tell people that you’re a victim of domestic violence, you’re the one whose life will be examined and investigated.

A few more things… regarding the TMZ article about the concierges, Amber’s friend iO Tillett Wright wrote a series of tweets – go here to read. Wright basically says that she’s a witness to Depp’s abuse, that Amber had bruises and that Amber has “photos, texts, witnesses, and filed a restraining order.” Wright slammed the sh-t out of TMZ for their reporting.

Also, regarding those 2014 text messages between Amber and Johnny’s assistant Stephen Deuters, People Magazine got their hands on the original iPhone backups of the text messages and they gave the backups to a computer forensic consultant. The forensic consultant says that the texts are for real. And in other text messages provided to People, Deuters and Heard are texting about getting Depp professional help for his drug and alcohol abuse.



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  1. Bey says:

    “Once again, we’re reminded that if you tell people that you’re a victim of domestic violence, you’re the one whose life will be examined and investigated. ”

    that is so true. the media is only interested in going through Ambers past but Johnny gets left alone or is even defended by friends or ex partners. why dont we examine Johnnys life at all? nah, let us all blame the woman!

    • Snazzy says:

      Too many people have invested in Johnny, that’s why.
      And the crazy b***h story line seems to still sell more, vs the Johnny Depp is an entitled douche bucket storyline. It makes me sad, because she can still be a crazy b***h and have been a victim of DV 🙁

      • Original T.C. says:

        Team Depp is staying on their “psychotic BISEXUALS” bent using TMZ. That’s all they got me thinks. If you have no defense, muddle the waters by making the victim look like she deserved it or is unworthy of basic human treatment. Ex: she is trash and can can probably dish it out too so who cares what happened to her.

      • Kitte says:

        Yes they’re playing to his biphobic defenders.
        I was completely grossed out about some of the sickeningly homophobic comments about Amber by Johnny’s defenders ie “she’s a lesbian and they all hate men” etc etc.

      • Katydid04 says:

        Exactly! She can be a horrible person, but that’s no excuse for Depp to hit her. She could even be a gold digger like everyone says, but that’s no excuse for Depp to hit her. But everyone likes to think that if the first part is true, the second can’t be – they’re not mutually exclusive!

      • Fee says:

        I can imagine how many times I would be arrested for slapping my husband’s shoulder. As for the 2 day no bruise thing, its called make up.

      • Shockadelica81 says:

        @Fee true! I’m interested in hearing Tasya’s side. Somebody at the airport called police not her.

    • Lindy79 says:

      This is so true, as what Snazzy said, this could be true but how does it prove Johnny didn’t abuse her??

    • Lisa says:

      Very scary, especially with this Brock the swimmer stuff going on. This victim-blaming really needs to change in our society’s mindset

      • Honey says:

        That Brock the swimmer case makes my blood boil!!!! Some guy, who supports Bill Cosby, asked me the other day if I would report being the victim of abuse if it happened to me. I would like to believe that I would, to spare other people being hurt by the same person but looking at all three of these cases (Cosby, Amber vs Johnny and the media, Brock the swimmer) I can’t say that I would. The character assassinations alone are enough to make you suicidal.

      • Snazzy says:

        Ok I saw that swimmer case today … I can’t believe it! I’m getting so angry just thinking about it

      • bluhare says:

        If you haven’t read the victim’s statement, you should.

      • Wren says:

        Yes! The similarities struck me immediately. It’s gut wrenching. To be violated not just once, but many times over for something someone else did to you. And then to have their accomplishments brought up repeatedly as if that somehow matters? Ugh.

        When I read that appeal from the swimmer guy’s father, I was sickened. “He’s suffered enough!” Well maybe he shouldn’t rape people. Not doing that would have avoided all this pesky suffering. He should suffer. It’s not like there was any doubt that he was guilty.

      • Sixer says:

        “20 minutes of action”

        I went on a swear rant about that and it lasted so long that Sixlet Minor made me a cup of tea, unprompted. “I know it’s bad, Mum, but I don’t want you to have a heart attack.”

      • Birdix says:

        Totally agree. The Stanford case shines a light on the similar truths that wealthy, successful white males play by a different set of rules, and that there’s an entire system in place to keep it so. When they mess up badly enough and the wheels come off, the solution is not to examine honestly what went wrong, but to quickly, effectively, and by any means necessary, throw the victim under the bus, consider it problem solved, and try desperately to get back to the status quo that they have “earned.” If this happens at a university that is supposedly designed to be a forward-thinking, idealistic community, what hope for the rest of us?

      • JenniferJustice says:

        I watched more of this on the news yesterday morning and was grateful I don’t live in this guy’s state or I might try to find him and dole out some vigilante justice. The father not only talked about his son’s suffering, but played the same old “what happened was a horrible accident….” spiel as if the acts of that night came from some other-worldly force – not that HIS SON COMMITTED A HORRIBLE ACT! Sorry for the capitals, but I’m reminded of Chris Brown’s same words about being sorry for what happened – not what he did, but what happened. Grrrrr……

      • mp says:

        That Brock case is horrible, I sent it to my bf, he was so baffled and told me “I seriously don’t understand, it’s like deep down all guys want to rape someone…I just don’t get it”
        That left me thinking, it’s all so horrible.

      • Alex says:

        I want to flip a table over that case seriously. I cannot put into words how awful the Stanford case is. If you want to be more angry another letter of support for the rapist was released by The Cut today

        Regarding this one…I don’t excuse any DV. So Amber abusing her gf is equally as appalling as Johnny abusing her. Again cycles of abuse are pretty prevalent. This does not change my mind about Amber and Johnny at all.

      • KitteN says:

        @Bluhare-The victim’s statement was so powerful and poignant. I don’t think she could have said what needed to be said any better. She was the epitome of grace under fire.

      • littlemissnaughty says:

        @ bluhare: I read it last night, was a mess afterwards. But if you read the father’s statement about his son, you know exactly why that guy turned out the way he did and why he will never change. I wonder what kind of a mother raises a son like this though.

      • Wren says:

        Yeah the apple didn’t fall far from the tree there. However I don’t think it’s fair to blame the mother. It’s not just his dad telling him that women exist for his use, it’s our whole culture. That’s probably what he’s most upset about, not that he did something terrible but that he fully expected the world to see it like his father does, and like he himself sees it, because we tend to minimize the “mistakes” of white men, especially talented white men.

      • BRE says:

        AND the letter written by Leslie Rasmussen of Good English in defense of this dude!

      • Imqrious2 says:

        If you live in California, there’s a petition on to recall this POS judge and get him off the bench. Please, if you don’t want this %#*! On the bench making further decisions like this, take a moment to go to the site and sign the petition. There are about 100,000 signatures so far, and it just went up.


      • Marianne says:

        His father said it was an “accident”? What did he do trip with his dick out directly into her? C’mon.

        And the judge pisses me off too. “Severe Impact”…what like the girl being raped wasnt a severe impact on her life?

      • Otaku Fairy says:

        “Some guy, who supports Bill Cosby, asked me the other day if I would report being the victim of abuse if it happened to me. I would like to believe that I would, to spare other people being hurt by the same person but looking at all three of these cases (Cosby, Amber vs Johnny and the media, Brock the swimmer) I can’t say that I would.”

        I’ve thought about that too. The thing that would push me to report domestic violence if it were to happen to me would not be the fact that it’s wrong, feminism, or the fact that the abuser deserves to be punished- it would be hope that getting the abuser in legal trouble might make it easier to keep the person from retaliating against family members.

    • bolivia says:

      I agree, he got the disappearance of his former business partner completely swept under the carpet. Nobody ever found out what happened to Anthony Fox, he disappeared without a trace before he could testify against Depp in court for defrauding millions of dollars. The Viper Room was a notorious hangout for drug dealers and mobsters.

      Depp is shady as hell.

      • SilkyMalice says:

        Whoa, I had no idea about that case. Shady as hell indeed.

      • Cindy says:


      • tealily says:

        I completely forgot about that.

      • Snowflake says:

        I posted that on tmz and it disappeared within minutes.

      • megsie says:

        @snowflake I did too, and it also disappeared. First and last time I post on tmz. My post about it here on cb last week remains … so there ya go.

      • MC2 says:

        Thanks for that post!

        Depp is shady as hell & even if he had nothing to do with that disappearance (if…), he owned a club that was well known for drug deals. He was there the night that River Pheonix died after shooting up inside the club. And the media never ran the story that the judge stated that Depp had screwed his partner out of millions right before the guy suddenly disappears…..I think Depp has a lot more pull that anyone gave him credit for to have this all go away & become The Crazy Captain.

        So tmz takes down these comments but then posts all this crap by the doormen telling so-and-so something & that she was arrested once?! I will never click on that crappy, misogynistic website again & there is a special place in purgatory for Levin.

      • Cirque28 says:

        I posted in support of Amber on The Daily Mail several times and my posts vanished.

        The Anthony Fox thing… IDEK. The man disappeared right before he was supposed to testify against Depp in a case that seemed like a slam dunk! And he has never been seen since. Not even a body. Just gone.


      • Tiger says:

        I guess it’s not that hard to guess who provided TMZ with Heard’s domestic violence charge. No wonder he was able to keep Anthony Fox’s disappearance out of the news. So funny, Depp moved to France right after Fox disappearance.

    • the_blonde_one says:

      Here’s the thing in relation to the JD case- I don’t care if she was the biggest ‘slut’ that’s ever slutted. I don’t care if she slept with everyone she ever met- male and female. I don’t care if she was accused of smacking 50 people. I don’t care if she cheated on him, married him for his money, trapped him, made him insecure or married him for roles in movies. In relation to JD abusing her- NONE OF THAT MATTERS. no matter what they throw out there Depp is a grown ass man with control over his own actions. There is literally nothing they can accuse her of or drag up from her past that affects this case.

      (I am actually not saying she did even one of those things btw, I am responding to crap I see on the larger web).

      • SilkyMalice says:

        ‘the sluttiest slut that ever slutted’. I like that. And yes, you are absolutely correct that none of this is pursuant to her domestic violence case.

      • Noname says:

        But it is going to affect the case. The security guards first stated they often had to pull Amber off of Johnny because she flew into rages. Now they are bringing up that she was arrested for domestic violence in 2009. Not only are they trying to shift the attention away from Johnny Depp being this douchebag abuser to Amber being violent and that he had to defend himself but they are also attempting to establish that she has a pattern of initiating abuse. And some people will buy this unfortunately, like a judge presiding over a hearing for a permanent restraining hearing. If you think it won’t, look at the 6 month sentence handed to Brock Turner for rape because the Judge felt it would affect him too much if he sentenced him to more time.

      • Don't kill me I'm French says:

        Totally agree.

      • CM says:

        In my case…my abuser would frequently say things to me that he knew would provoke a reaction to get me to lash out at him. That way he could always mentally abuse me more by saying, “Well you punched me too”, while conveniently leaving out that he had said it was no surprise how stupid I was coming from a family of rednecks who have no manners blah blah blah…

        So, no one can look at Amber lashing out at Johnny without also considering what asshole things he might’ve been saying to her to provoke it. I mean, let’s just look at the stuff that is being thrown out in the media behind the guise of his supporters and such. It’s not a stretch to think he might say some of this stuff, under his breath, directly to her.

        Classic Abuser Handbook tactics!!

    • Chicken Salt says:

      Let me preface by saying I am not a Johnny supporter.

      It does seem the media is examining the past of both of them. They are interviewing his friends, colleagues, and ex partners. Just because you don’t like the answers those people gave doesn’t mean they media isn’t digging. It’s the tabloid media…they want to find dirt on anyone.

      • noway says:

        I totally agree, and I am not a Johnny supporter either he is probably guilty, but I wouldn’t be 100% surprised if he isn’t, as I think a lot of the gossip info we have could be wrong. Still I think people on these gossip sites damage their assertions by adding on to make it more dramatic. I don’t think Johnny is a demon just a man who abused a woman, and throwing the phone at her face as she stated in her TRO application is enough to make him an abuser, he doesn’t need to have beaten every woman he was with, or get high every second. It’s bad enough as it is. Amber doesn’t need to be a saint either, she probably did hit her former girlfriend. People need to stop seeing everyone as either black or white, because most are very complicated.

  2. LAK says:

    Amanda de Cadanet has also tweeted that she knew about the abuse and saw the aftermath of a bruised Amber.

    • siri says:

      I couldn’t find any concrete tweet about Amber from Amanda. I actually think she consciously refraines from commenting. She’s posting general infos about abuse, but nothing regarding Amber.

  3. All i think in this crazy business is that it is going to have an effect on the DV victims world wide.

    • Miffy says:

      Seriously, THIS. Between this and the Brock case, it would take superhuman strength for any victim to ever come forward. It’s disgusting. My heart aches seeing these women have to fight against a judicial system trying to convince them they earned what happened to them. Imagine having the worst of the worst happen to you then having to fight to prove that it’s not okay. As much as I’d like to say otherwise, I don’t think I’d have that fortitude. I’d just want to lay down and die.

  4. Senaber says:

    She looks like a totally different (happier) person in these photos with Tasya. Never saw her look like that with Johnny.

    • Miss M says:

      The change was between 2013-2014. If you google Amber Heard 2013, you will see her happy self still. Not so much in 2014

    • pinetree13 says:

      She definitely has a type! This woman’s face looks very similar to Johnny’s face when he was that age…like they could be siblings!

  5. Ennie says:

    So they both pushed each other’s buttons? We really don’t know their dynamic. I was a very peaceful person (with underlying issues) until I got with my husband who has/ had issues too. He got me into a violent dynamic that we had to work really hard to stop.
    So Amber is to blame? She was probably responding in the form she knew, and probably not as a doormat. So is Depp to blame, and he is a stronger person with a lot of power. I still think she is more the victim than the poor lost boy.

    • GoodNamesAllTaken says:

      How is Amber to blame? Thats ridiculous. Because she hit someone once, now it’s her fault that Johnny abused her multiple times? Because you had some sick relationship with your husband, now Amber did, too? We have no evidence at all that she was violent with Johnny. You’re just making that up.

      • Ennie says:

        GNAT, what I’m saying is that she is the victim of DV, but she is probably not 100 percent innocent in the sense that she might “pushed his buttons”. When I went to therapy , the psychologist told me that some ways that I reacted were not the best. It is complicated to explain, but at the end I was not being assertive. The situation was repetitive. We had created a pattern, and it was unhealthy. One does not know better, but one can end up being a part of the problem.
        Also, I wrote that because he and his team are painting himself as some kind of victim, as a poor boy, victim of her drama. He is not.

      • GoodNamesAllTaken says:

        Well, I think you should find a new phycologist. I don’t care how the abused person reacts to abuse, and this “pushing his buttons bs” has to stop. Nobody has the right to hit you, unless it’s self-defense. Ever. I don’t care what buttons you were pushing, that is NOT an acceptable response. If you wanted to stay with this man who hit you, and from what I gather, you have worked it out and he stopped, then fine, but your psychologist should never have said you were partially to blame. He should have told your husband NO, no way, no how, leave the room, go for a walk, take a cold shower, you do NOT hit her just because your mad. That’s just wrong.

      • Who ARE these people? says:

        Some psychologists should take the blame for their contribution to the persistence of family violence. “Systems theory” no longer applies once someone uses violence. I’ve even heard children blamed for their “contribution” to abuse, being told they were part of a “system” as if they were somehow partly responsible for bringing it on themselves. It’s reprehensible. Therapists who use this kind of language should be sued and stripped of their licenses for perpetuating harm.

        Abusive partners (usually, men) won’t respond well to a woman asserting herself.
        If a man thinks his partner is communicating too indirectly or being unnecessarily passive, he can ask her to be less indirect and more active/assertive. Period.

      • Ennie says:

        I disagree. I am not guilty of his violence. But I am guilty of my own choices. As a child of a different type of violence, I repeated some patterns and created others. I chose a type of person that I felt comfortable with, due to my background. In my case, due to hard work we have a good relationship that took a while to improve.
        In my mother’s case, my father was an alcoholic who was verbally abusive ( a good person, but with a huge problem). We were thaught us to live in that climate and act a certain way. In my relationship I acknowledge that I did become a part of it. My retaliation was passive aggressive and childish and I learned to throw things, damage property, what to say and do that would hurt him, etc. I did not have a good healthy example when younger in my life. I had to learn to communicate (I’d try to avoid confrontation and Ibtried to shut communication when it was most needed, and he also had big issues to overcome due to his family life too.
        I chose to give it a try. In my sister’s case, she chose to stay after a blatant infidelity by her husband (and some verbal abuse between both of them) that produced a stillborn baby. A terribly painful situation. One can still see unhealedd cracks in the relationship, but they are trying, they had a lot to lose, emotionally and financially if they divorced . My brother is even worse than me, shutting himself From any confrontation, to a point of emotional dismission.I guess we brothers and sisters were all damaged somehow.

      • Liv says:

        Good god, GNAT, you’re not a therapist either. I think there are different versions of domestic violence and Ennie’s point is, that in some relationships people trigger EACH OTHER until they BOTH get violent or abuse each other verbally. I read her statement like they BOTH got violent one way or the other, not just her husband. I really don’t get why some over here think Amber is an inncoent angel. I’m not saying that it was her fault or that she caused the abuse, certainly not. But we all weren’t there and we all don’t know these people, we just speculate. Which some of us seem to forget.

    • Lisa says:

      My mom was in a relationship like that. When her and my dad were together they were never ever violent and she was never a violent person, but when she married her second husband he was violent and she became violent back… It wasn’t pretty and I’m thankful everyday that she got out of there and can now be a more peaceful person.

      • Lisa says:

        maybe her violence was just defending herself?

      • Honey says:

        It was definitely a response to the treatment she was receiving from her husband. I’m glad she made it out too!

      • Lisa says:

        Yes, sure it was mostly self defence, but she became a much harsher, unpleasant person while she was with him and sometimes she instigated the fights verbally until it escalated into violence. So I agree that people do sometimes change according to the situation they are in, but by no means ever does it justify violence from either side. Just an observation.

      • Nicole says:

        My father abused me, I fought back. It took a very long time for us to have a relationship again. It is a cruel cycle. We both hit each other, I kicked him, he strangled me. I take responsibility for my actions and it is not excusable for me just because he was drunk(and shooting up drugs from the hospital Pyxis) and saying vile and abusive words, I reacted.

    • Kitte says:

      I believe that no relationship dynamic is going to cause a non-abusive, non-violent person to become abusive and violent–that tendency has to be there to begin with, even if it’s something that’s never reared it’s ugly head before and even if the abuser is entirely unconscious of it.

      That being said, I absolutely believe that some people bring out the worst in us.

      I can think of two great guys that I dated before–I mean truly good guys–who, for whatever reason, brought out the worst in me. That phrasing may seem to imply that I’m blaming them but it wasn’t them at all, it was them AND me together. That chemical combo of our personalities was just not healthy. That being said, I’ve never hit anyone (nor have I been hit) because the capability to abuse just isn’t there.

      • Santia says:

        Did you lose your “n” or are you different from “Kitten”? Just asking. 🙂

        I agree with all you said. I was never a violent person until I met this one guy at 28 and then our arguments would escalate to the point that I would pick things up to hurl at him out of anger. We just pushed each other’s buttons in the worst way possible. To add to all everyone said above, it’s not victim blaming in any way, just an observation. The best thing to do in those types of relationships is to walk away, but too many people confuse that violence for passion and stay.

      • Wren says:

        I agree, some people just don’t go together. Relationships are complicated, and everyone seems to be trying to boil them down to one thing.

        So Amber hit her ex-gf. So what? Doesn’t make it okay for Johnny to hit Amber. Not that I think Amber is excused for the former, but in relation to her marriage it’s irrelevant.

      • KitteN says:

        Ha ha..oops! 😉

        Yep, it happens. I agree completely that you just have to see the signs and remove yourself from the situation before you get locked into an unhealthy pattern. It can be hard though when a guy seems “great on paper” but in reality, he’s just not the right fit for you and vice-versa.

      • GoodNamesAllTaken says:

        I agree and I think I will change my name to GoodNamesAllTakee.

      • Kristin says:

        I think what bothers me the most are the people that say things like, “well if he was abusive why did she stick around so long?” Those are clearly people who have never been in an abusive relationship. I’m a pretty smart cookie. I graduated top of my class at law school and always knew right from wrong. I was one of those women who shook my head in dismay at other women who stayed with their abusive partners. I never in a million years thought it would happen to someone like me. Until it did. He was so wonderful in the beginning and the first 6 months were the happiest of my life. Then he began to get insanely jealous for no reason at all. Then slowly, but surely, the controlling personality and the emotional abuse began to emerge. By then, we’d been together for a year and a half and I was so used to it I didn’t even see anything wrong with it. Even when he grabbed me by my hair and slammed my face into the door I still didn’t leave. By then, my self-worth was so demolished I thought I had it coming. And I used to be the most self-confident person in the world. It wasn’t until I was 10 minutes late showing up to his house for dinner that I finally woke the hell up. He actually picked up the dining room table in a fit of fury and hurled it at me. The only reason it didn’t crush me was because the table didn’t fit all the way through the door. I left and never looked back. But it took TWO YEARS before I woke up and realized how wrong it was and I didn’t deserve any of it. It took another two years before I could ever trust another man to even go out on a date. So I will never judge any women (or man) in an abusive relationship because it can happen to any of us.

        I feel nothing but sadness and anger that victims of domestic violence so rarely press charges because look at what happens to them when they do?!? They’re dragged through the mud by the abusers family and friends who SWEAR he would never hurt a fly, as if they have a f-ing clue what really goes on behind closed doors. Most abusers are extremely charming and maniuplative. It’s how they get away with it for so long, so of course everyone has a hard time believing that the person is really a violent asshole. I can think of no other crime, except rape, where everyone, including law enforcement, is so skeptical of the victim. If someone steals your car, law enforcement automatically supports and believes you. But it someone violates your body, it seems like everyone goes out of their way to disbelieve your account. And then you have idiots making blanket statements like, “well if she was really raped/abused then why didn’t she go to the police?” It never seems to occur to these people that most victims are so traumatized that they simply don’t have it in them to be victimized a second time by the system that’s supposed to protect them. And even so-called “rape-shield laws” are a joke. A good defense attorney will still manage to make the victim look like a drunken slut who had it coming. And if it’s this bad in the American judicial system, try to visualize what women go through in places like the Congo or Sudan.

    • SilkyMalice says:

      ‘Still more the victim? She is the victim of domestic violence PERIOD. Not more, not less, depending on her background, etc. It really is not difficult to understand and I don’t know why people insist on muddying the waters.

    • Jigli says:

      Ennie, can you tell more about what the psychologist told you about not being assertive and about your reactions not being the best? What precisely were these reactions, and what did s/he suggest instead? I’m genuinely interested. Thanks.

      • Ennie says:

        I don’t remember exactly the words, since I was usually in such a turmoil. I had to express myself, always, because I tended to shut myself, avoiding any confrontation, but not solving the problem. I was more of a pleaser. I tended to that with my sister too, who had (still has!) an imposing personality, at the end, after mom passed away, the problems between us exploded because I did not care about pleasing her, she got so angry because she was not used to me telling her like it was.bliterally she was out of herself and even blamed my husband because I would not bend to what she said. I was very outspoken already, the problem was the important things, saying them, not being aggressive either. Mom and I used to tell her that she was right in something and when she left, we just ignored what she said, but she left thinking she was right and we weren’t. In reality we were creating a fantasy for us and for her. Say things! And try to treat ourselves with love. I cannot do some of. Those things yet, I was not reared to be loving, but I try to demonstrate more,lo my husband is very demonstrative and I had to learn that too. I was showing my affection to my mom too, in her last years, She was surprised when I started to hug her more, to be much more demonstrative. She was not shown much love and I am SO glad I could do that for us, being loving, since I was the only one living near.

    • BFDL says:

      I agree @Ennie. I was Team Amber until today. We are all responsible for our behavior and our reactions.

      How can we as women say a man never has the right to touch us but in the same breath say we touched a man because he pushed our buttons?

      • DIrty Martini says:

        Thank you. I’m over blaming victims completely. yet I’m also over people claiming victim hood as a defense for their own bad behavior,

  6. Guest says:

    Okay so? That doesn’t excuse if he did hit her or not. Yeah, it makes her look bad but that doesn’t mean that she’s lying. All it means is that they both are playing the media to their advantage.
    Honest to god this is the last Johnny and Amber post I ever read or post on.
    This is a shite

    • Sullivan says:

      I’m with you. Reading about Amber & Johnny is like watching Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf. It’s sad and sickening.

    • Sullivan says:

      Also, Tasya is gorgeous!

      • The Other Katherine says:

        I know, right? She really, really is. Ironically (not sure that’s the word I’m looking for, but whatevs) she kind of reminds me of Johnny when he was young and beautiful. Purely physically, of course.

      • detritus says:

        Other Katherine,
        I was thinking the exact same thing. Amber has a type. Beautiful brunettes with dark eyes. Depp even looks like he stole Tasya’s style with the layered necklaces.

    • SilkyMalice says:

      I’m sorry this is all so distressing for you and I hope that turning your head away will make you feel better.

    • Saks says:

      I think they are going to change the narrative again. That Amber provoked poor little defenseless Johnny, and so she had it coming and deserved it.
      Johnny’s team are disgusting.

    • noway says:

      You are so right, and this needs to go to various courts to be dealt with without the b.s. of the celebrity gossip world. Good luck and hopefully they will both find their way out of this mess, whatever that may include: jail time, rehab, psychologist and/or money.

  7. Cannibell says:

    Not sure how this damages her case. If any lawyers are willing to weigh in, I’d be interested in your takes. (Also other experts.)

    • lilacflowers says:

      It doesn’t. Unless at some point, he claims self-defense and demonstrates she has a history of violence. But to claim self-defense, he would have to admit to hitting her, which he has not done.

      • TG says:

        All of these media leaks are a joke. I would think that if this makes it to trial, a judge would not be too happy about that. Also, what’s your take on the tech forensic expert who got a hold of her iPhone backup? If and when it goes to court, who decides which expert gets called upon?

      • mary simon says:

        @TG I wonder about this. Has Amber’s privacy been hacked? How can a “tech expert” access her texts without her permission and or cooperation?

      • TG says:

        Highly doubt her phone was hacked, as People said they gained access. It’s reasonable to assume that Amber provided the phone backups.

      • Lilacflowers says:

        @TG, in the DV case, the prosecutor’s tech expert is used, that’s usually the state police as local agencies usually don’t gave thé money to staff such services. The defendant can bring in an expert to counter. In civil cases, the attorneys hire their own and Bill the client.

        Computer forensics and e-discovery is lucrative

      • noway says:

        TG texts are hard to use in court unless both parties admit to sending the text, because even if it was somehow proven not to be doctored, and that would be hard because we all know how safe the iCloud is, you can’t prove who sent the text. Think of traffic camera tickets, you get a ticket for the vehicle as the registered owner, but not on your driver’s license as they can’t prove who did it.

      • noway says:

        Depp could also claim she is the abuser not just self defense. This might be the direction he is going. Didn’t his bodyguards say she was the abuser. Also, apparently his lawyers asked for the TRO to be mutual on both sides, meaning he was asking for her to not come near him either, and it was issued that way at least from what I read from one of the less gossipy sites which is hard to find to be sure. I think this might be his legal direction he is going with, if he can’t settle before the first hearing.

      • OrangeCrush says:

        Curious as to how People magazine “got their hands on the original iPhone backups of the text messages.” Its always been my understanding that information like that has to be subpoenaed in order to be obtained. I could be wrong, but I don’t think you can get that info via a FIOA request. How did People get it??

  8. NewWester says:

    So was TMZ sitting on this information all this time? I am surprised this did not come out when Amber and Johnny first got together. TMZ must have dirt on many celebrities that they hold back from releasing. They are a scary bunch

    • Jen says:

      Allegedly, they have a “vault” of information they undoubtedly use as leverage to get other information. They are an extremely creepy bunch. Anne Helen Peterson (love her) wrote a great article on it for Buzzfeed:

      • LAK says:

        That vault is pretty standard MO for all tabloids.

        If you
        watch documentaries about media going back as far as possible, they all state that they have a vault or drawer full of information on anyone and everything of public interest which they release, or not, depending on public interest, media agenda and media sales.

        The last such documentary i watched was about BRF’s relationship with media and it was stated therein by sundry editors that they all had pictures and video of various royals, including William, that have been kept from the public. Releasing them would alter perception of each royal completely and not for the better.

        In the case of Heather Mills McCartney, Piers Morgan, then editor of the Mirror newspaper couldn’t wait to publish her vault of secrets which had been held back as long as Paul McCartney was interested in her, and she remained married to him. As soon as the separation and divorce was announced, her secrets were splashed across the tabloids, former friends and colleagues were interviewed etc. Piers still boasts about what they did to Heather. Since she’s not a liked public figure, no one calks him out on it.

    • Megan says:

      This is exactly why I stopped reading TMZ a few years back. So sleazy.

    • Flowerchild says:


      This information came from Johnny PR team feed to TMZ. If TMZ had this information they would have posted weeks ago if not before when Johnny and Amber got together.

      This only came out because Amber Text were proven real so Johnnys team are trying to bury it. Which shows that people are being paid off to lie for Johnny.

      @ Jen

      Thanks for the link it was a really interesting read. I’m not sure why TMZ has not been shutdown, hopefully they will soon.

      • Liz says:


        Yup, only I think that it was JD’s team paying TMZ to investigate to get the goods. Otherwise as you said it would have come out earlier.

    • Talie says:

      I don’t think TMZ would’ve had this all this time. This is opposition research done by Depp’s legal team — Amber was not a big enough star for TMZ to sit on anything to do with her.

      The thing is though…every time Depp throws the kitchen sink at her, she seems to have something just as damaging to come back with.

    • Misti says:

      TMZ were probably not checking for Amber before. She was not a big enough star for their radar.

    • Em says:

      Yup, the New Yorker also published a pretty dishy story on TMZ a few months ago. It’s worth a read. This part is particularly revealing :

      “Levin also maintained close relationships with defense attorneys. Many of them received free publicity on TMZ, and were referred to by cheeky nicknames. Laura Wasser, a divorce attorney, was the Disso-Queen. This nickname has appeared on TMZ hundreds of times. In October, 2011, Kim Kardashian, a Wasser client, filed to divorce Kris Humphries, the basketball player, after seventy-two days of marriage. “Kim has hired disso-queen Laura Wasser, who has repped the likes of Britney Spears, Maria Shriver, Angelina Jolie, Ryan Reynolds, and Robyn Gibson,” the accompanying story read. TMZ published exclusive images of the divorce papers moments after Wasser filed them in court. (Wasser said, “This firm has a strong policy of not speaking with media about our cases.”

      Laura Wasser just so happens to be Depp’s lawyer in this case. I have no doubt she’s had a hand in the constant Amber-smearing that’s been in the press.

    • noway says:

      I don’t know if I believe the vault theory, as I think these scumbags would release anything that would make money, and the minute this story broke they would have released this. I actually had a friend who worked at the National Enquirer during it’s hey days in the 80’s, and he finally quit as it was too hard to handle all the crap they were printing. He said they would take a kernel of truth and just blow it up to the point it didn’t even resemble the truth.

  9. GoodNamesAllTaken says:

    She shouldn’t have struck her partner. That’s up inexcusable. It also has nothing to do with whether or not her story is true, and it doesn’t make her less of a victim in this case. People are complicated, but we want them to be simple. Either perfect heroes or utterly vile villains. That just isn’t the way things usually work.

    • Snazzy says:

      Yup, 100% agree with you

    • Sullivan says:

      She’s a victim of DV as well as a perpetrator of DV. All of this is just making me sick.

      • noway says:

        Honestly, I don’t think what you said is that weird. Bullies are often the bullied before, Child abuse victims are often the abusers, and it shouldn’t be surprising that domestic abuse victims are also the abusers.

    • Erinn says:

      Yeah, I got into it with a coworker yesterday evening who said that nobody should be talking about the abuse allegations of a celebrity because we don’t know what happened and we need to let the courts do their jobs- and that police always take these things seriously. Oh and that the world wasn’t ‘really a very sexist place at all’..

      I was told that “women who go on a crusade like this are viewed as hostile and only hurt the cause”.

      Read: Erinn – all those facts and figures that you just gave me don’t fall in line with my pre-conceived incorrect notions so you’re coming off as hostile which I don’t find very becoming of womenfolk.

      • anna says:

        your last sentence had me lol
        that damn womenfolk and their independent thinking!

      • Erinn says:

        I know, anna. I really should have just agreed with the almighty man 😉

      • Lilacflowers says:

        @Erinn Did he call you “shrill?” That’s my favorite. That’s when I know they know I’m right

      • Wren says:

        Because then the womenfolk would be threat to the nice, comfy idea that men are superior. It’s not simply enough to have more physical strength, men have to be better, brighter and in control of everything. Which to me is a sign of cowardice. What is it, the only thing those in power fear is losing their power? Yeah, sounds about right.

      • Erinn says:

        Lilac – he didn’t, though I’d have loved that. But I basically know I’m doing something right to be told I’m on a crusade, or that I’m hostile – because I wasn’t. If it makes that sexist asshat angry, I’m in a good place. It’s always time for self-reflection when this particular person agrees with you.

        I did get a high-five from my husband when I angrily gave him the play by play when I got home. Thankfully I have one of the good ones.

      • pinetree13 says:

        Erinn I know you won’t get to read this likely, but you post what I am thinking ALL THE TIME. On a regular basis.

        Like I’m starting to get creeped out that maybe you’re my alter-ego and it’s me posting but not being aware of it…


      • Erinn says:

        pinetree13 – not sure if you’ll see this, but at least we’re both in good company haha.


  10. roxane says:

    So that’s their massive argument against her i’m not an expert but that’s really weak. She still has all her evidences and if I were Depp I would not go on that road, he’s past is scary and very telling.

    • Liz says:

      Exactly. Because they can’t outright say that she hit him, for example, without proof they have to dig into her past to find dirt and plant the seed of doubt in people’s minds. This whole protecting johnny business is disgusting and so obvious that only celebrity worshipper types would fall for it.

  11. BunnyBear says:

    “The concierges saw no bruising on her face and even said that her complexion looked great.”
    Almost as if she applied some sort of product that covers up flaws while still looking like your actual skin?
    Do people not understand how concealer works?

    • Mia4s says:

      I know right? The concierge statement is beyond ridiculous. Gee it’s not like a woman in Hollywood would know anything about make up! 🙄

      Having done more than a few martial arts tournaments in my time and had to go to work or school the following Monday I assure you concealer and/or BB cream can work wonders. Team Depp is getting desperate.

      • BunnyBear says:

        Yeah definitely. And I love how the go on to say they will like, totally totally testify under oath that they were going to compliment her skin.
        I think all these “shocking” new revelations about Amber are coming out to deflect attention from the forensic expert saying the text messages are legit.

    • Naya says:

      If I had a penny for every time I have had to explain to a man that a woman HAS makeup on! Unless these men have experience in the drag circuit or have some trans background, I doubt they know what they are saying.

      Also, isnt it interesting that they are not named. This is completely in line with Depps strategy so far. She cant sue these ones for defamation but they are still damaging her public image. It will be much harder to pay them off to perjure themselves in a civil or criminal case, so dont be surprised if these makeup experts never actually make public statements. Fingers crossed that the Depp team is sloppy with the pay offs and a media house like Gawker that has no sh*ts to give gets the receipts.

      • BunnyBear says:

        I remember an article where men were shown pictures of different women and asked to pick the one they thought was the most attractive. The majority chose this girl with like gold glitter eyeshadow, winged liner, contoured for gods, etc…because “she wasn’t wearing any makeup and they like a girl that’s natural”
        I almost want to laugh but…ugh.

      • Wren says:

        Oh yes, the “wait, she’s wearing makeup?” conversation. Many men don’t even know that a lot of these products exist, and bless their hearts they tend to take things at face value when it comes to appearences. It has to be super obvious or done really badly for them to notice.

        A former bf of mine actually once said to my roommate after we had to wait an hour for her to get ready and put on her face, “Wtf took you so long? You look exactly the same as when you started!” She, um, did not take kindly to that.

    • Kitte says:

      Seriously. It’s called Dermablend.

      • wolfpup says:

        Dermablend is what I used to cover the marks I was ashamed of. I had to special order it back in the day. It covers port wine stains, so why not black eyes, arms, etc? My mother was shocked to see my bruises one morning I was without it. That was the beginning of the end.

      • SilkyMalice says:

        Aw wolfpup. I hope you are in a safe place now. (((hugs))) to you.

      • BunnyBear says:

        Hugs for you Wolfpup!

      • pinetree13 says:

        You don’t even need dermablend. Regular concealar can cover pinkish bruises like those. I would know, I have naturally dark under eye circles and UGH horrible spider veins starting to appear in my face for some reason and they are INVISIBLE with makeup.
        That statement made me eye roll so hard my eyes almost got stuck. YES BOYS SHE HAD A GREAT COMPLEXION AKA MAKE UP YOU FOOLS

    • mary simon says:

      I think the “concierge” just came in to a little money. Is he a forensic expert in addition to his door duties?

    • Izzy says:

      I almost feel like it’s a strategic error to leak these “statements” from the “concierges.” Because Amber DOES have the receipts, and she’s proving it. So if they keep pushing it, she can take it all the way to court, and then it’ll be time for these witnesses to be deposed, testify under oath, etc. So they either perjure themselves, and risk getting shredded on the stand by Amber’s attorneys for it, AND face their own legal consequences for it… or Depp’s team comes up empty-handed because these “witnesses” are full of it.

    • Anna says:

      It’s probably a given that the place has security CCTV cameras, at the very least in the lobby. Which of course has nothing to do with the makeup/no makeup question. But assuming they didn’t get deleted or overwritten, chances are that one side or the other (or both) will have obtained copies the minute she filed for a restraining order.

      Frankly, if I were Amber I’d be playing my cards a lot closer to my chest rather than releasing pix, texts etc to the press. All she’s doing is giving his lawyers the time and the means to counter her evidence.

  12. Talie says:

    There is no perfect victim, but damn…

    Is TMZ getting paid by the Depp people???

    • Liz says:

      Isn’t it pretty obvious at this point that they are?

    • burnsie says:

      Probably. Or, maybe they have a stake in Johnny. TMZ is bankrolled by Time Warner – not sure if TW has any Depp movies in development, but it wouldn’t surprise me

  13. TheOtherMaria says:

    I’m so tired of these two.

    Every where online, I see Amber getting the support, which is not a bad thing as DV survivors rarely are afforded this luxury.

    I don’t know what happened at this point, I just hope they both go away soon, and that Depp gets some damn help.

    • Naya says:

      “Everywhere”? Where exactly? The only sites I have seen that are not bashing her are this one, Jezebel and Pajiba. These sites are progressive and feminist though so this is not a surprise. Every other site is bathed in bisexual devilry, extortion claims and now indirectly accusing the victim of instigating the violence.

      • Kitte says:

        This though!

      • isabelle says:

        ONTD is also supporting Amber and Lainey. There are a few.

      • pinetree13 says:

        Yeah I’d say like 99% of the webpages out there are team Johnny and Amber is the “Calculating, mastermind-genius who planned out all of this for years to get her fortune! MUAHAHAHHA”

    • Misti says:

      I think if this goes to court they’ll both be finished. With damaging details that could come out on 2 of them. Unfortunately Amber’s had a very poor run with projects both small and big screen. Aquaman might be lifeline for her or could be an utter disaster. Cause let’s face it DC comics is hardly Marvel.

  14. Kimbella says:

    In terms of Pr this is a huge win for team Depp. I don’t want to disminish abuse but I would like to point out that the incident with taysa and amber happened in an airport, and if you ever been in an airport you know you can’t sneeze without someone being up your ass. So maybe it was a case of Amber causing a scene.

    • mary simon says:

      Depp’s team will play it as a mutually abusive relationship. I hardly think grabbing and striking your partner’s arm in an airport ranks up there with slamming a metal phone in to a face, choking and suffocating the person with a pillow, and God knows what else.

      • Izzy says:

        Right, well, only one of them has photographic and text evidence, so methinks one of their reputations will be hit harder than the other.

      • Emma - The JP Lover says:

        @Mary Simon, who wrote: “I hardly think grabbing and striking your partner’s arm in an airport ranks up there with slamming a metal phone in to a face, choking and suffocating the person with a pillow, and God knows what else.”

        The difference is that Amber’s girlfriend filed a police report and Amber had to appear before a Judge. It reads as if the DA would have filed charges against Amber if she and her girlfriend had lived in Washington State. I’m still baffled by the fact that Amber hasn’t yet filed a police report against Johnny Depp in order to bring this into the Legal arena. He would have to stand before a Judge and have to stand trial. I wonder why she’s waiting to file?


      • noway says:

        @mary simon Yes it does rank up there, because you start somewhere and domestic abuse is domestic abuse and once you start quantifying the kind of abuse you belittle the victims and make it harder for them to get help at the beginning of the abuse cycle. Plus, unlike Amber she filed a police report and it was investigated enough to go to criminal court for abuse. Doesn’t mean Amber wasn’t abused by Johnny though.

  15. Pinky says:

    Why bury the lede? The real story is that those TEXTS ARE REAL! Depp’s assistant is a liar and part of a cover-up. Her prior DV charge is embarrassing for her…but she is not being accused of beating Johnny, where a prior history of her battering somebody would be relevant. She is accusing someone else of assaulting her. So…it’s kind of irrelevant.


    • Liz says:

      Yeah, they’re trying to shift the focus away from the fact that the texts are real.

      • Pinky says:

        I’m noticing both sides are getting quiet now. Jib might be right: settlement talks are in the works. They couldn’t have come soon enough, IMO.


      • Naya says:

        The text messages were real……. bbbbbbut the two conceirges who apparently moonlight as skin experts thought she was just positively glowing the day after. Stupid PR team with their stupid red herrings.

      • Flowerchild says:

        Exactly and like I said above they don’t want to be expose for paying off witnesses to lie for Johnny.

      • Riemc526 says:


      • Izzy says:

        @Pinky, if they’re in settlement talks, then like I said above, it was a stupid move strategically to leak the concierge “witness” statements about her “glowing flawless skin” (or whatever BS they’re peddling). Because trying to slam the other side while you’re trying to settle with them, might just piss them off enough to walk away from the table and go to court. Especially if they have more evidence. Stupid move, IMO.

      • isabelle says:

        TMZ is so obvious what they are doing. The complexion thing from yesterday proves it. They have dug themselves into a hole with Johnny and are trying to defend that choice. Still believe there is a possible video, they know it and are trying to cover their tracks if its released.

    • SilkyMalice says:

      I know, I just came on here to say that! THE TEXTS ARE REAL. They also show that she and his assistant where trying to get him help. Gee, I wonder what Duesendoof has to say for himself now?

    • pinetree13 says:

      EXACTLY PINKY! EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  16. sofie says:

    I think it’s disturbing that abuse is being fought in the court of public opinion. The media & press are a disgrace & make things so much worse for people to come foward and talk about abuse whether it be sexual,verbal,domestic or all three because of the sheer unprofessionalism they show. To them it’s entertainment & profit.

  17. roxane says:

    Alought it’s true, that’s embarassing for her this arrest will share the news with a win for her the text are real, and that’s relevant in a court.

    • lilacflowers says:

      For a number of reasons, those texts probably are not admissible in court.

      • anniefannie says:

        @lilac I’m unfortunately in the midst of a contentious divorce and text messages are admissible. I won’t get into gory details but the texts were used to refute testimony and the judge ruled in favor of allowing them.

      • Miss S says:

        Why not? I thought that was one the kind of proof DV victims should keep in order to make their cases stronger.

      • lilacflowers says:

        I am an attorney and I did not say that text messages are not admissible. I said that THOSE particular messages most likely are not. First off, they don’t name Johnny, do they? Second, they are hearsay from a third party not involved in the case. The texts aren’t from Johnny. If they were, then there would be much, much stronger arguments in favor of their admission.

      • anniefannie says:

        Wouldn’t Ambers team call Stephen as a witness? In that case why would it be hearsay?

      • Lilacflowers says:

        Calling Stephen himself is different than submitting copies of text messages. And even then, some testimony can be ruled as hearsay and inadmissible.

        Asking did you see anything on Thursday is admissible

      • detritus says:

        @ lilac (or other lawyerly types)
        How does it work with allowing the public access to evidence?
        I have zero legal background, so all my information comes from OJ vs the people.
        Doesn’t allowing public access to certain pieces of evidence make them inadmissible?

      • noway says:

        I am sure your texts are admissible only in a certain aspect of your divorce case, and the attorneys may have stipulated that all the texts were sent by the person who owns the phone. Also, keep in mind the assistant said they looked doctored, he could have meant he didn’t send them, but since he is not under oath just oath of TMZ and they always report accurately. I don’t know about you but my daughter and friends often text from my phone and the younger set likes to pretend they are others so not sure how much of a big bombshell this is in this case. This is why this would be a mess to use only as corroborating evidence and even then, if the assistant has a clean record and seems believable it might not matter.

      • Anna says:

        @lilacflowers: My question would be in regards to this… the tech expert basically said that the backup she did matched what is on her phone. How likely is it that his team will take the tack that she may have edited before backing it up and is there any way to prove that one way or another? Outside of course, of matching the assistant’s backup of the conversation (assuming he has one) to her’s? That seems to me to be a fairly large hole they could use.

      • lilacflowers says:

        @Anna, Depp’s side would likely object to the texts as irrelevant hearsay based on the fact that Depp isn’t named in the text conversation and therefore, it could be about anybody.

  18. Barrett says:

    I think Amber and Johnny had an abusive relationship. I think he’s a supreme alcoholic and addict. I’m sure he tried to choke her and all the horrible stuff. I believe her. He must be responsible. However woman can have violent episodes too and if she behaved in that manner it also should be equally explored. It’s part of a real legal investigation. Accountability.

    • Izzy says:

      So where’s their proof? So far all we have is Doug Stanhope saying “it’s true because DUDEBRO, man.” She has photos.

    • pinetree13 says:

      It was explored…at her trial for it. Why should it be relevant to this case?

      To me, that is the same as saying, “Well this is a RAPE trial but the defendant USED to be a prostitute…” As if that’s somehow relevant on whether the rapist is guilty or not.

    • Lucy says:

      Amber’s “history of violence” would only be relevant in a court of law if Depp had accused her of being violent towards him, and he hasn’t.

  19. Vanessa says:

    Well this is getting so shady, i don’t belive amber is an innocent victim at all now. As a matter of fact, i never believed she was and thank god i didn’t jump on the bandwagon and assume johnny was guilty like everyone here did. She clearly has her own issues and is abusive herself but people will find anything to excuse her of course.

    • Megan says:

      The fact the Johnny kicked her, hit her, ripped out chunks of her hair, and tried to smother her is what makes Amber a victim. Amber doesn’t need to be “innocent” since abuse can never be justified.

    • Miss S says:

      HAHAHA. … But people will find anything to excuse HIM of course. I guess this is what you really meant right?

    • Flowerchild says:

      No one here has exuse her, but you and others are sure doing a lot to exuse Johnny of his actions.

    • GoodNamesAllTaken says:

      Vanessa, what does one thing have to do with the other? Let’s say you had a fight with someone five years ago and punched them in the arm. That was wrong of you. But does it give me the right to throw a phone at your face, try to smother you with a pillow, kick you and drag you by the hair? Try to use your brain.

    • Insomniac says:

      She obviously does have issues, but that doesn’t mean Johnny didn’t hit her. Nothing to say about the texts from the bodyguard being verified as real?

    • claire says:

      That she is also physically abusive doesn’t mean that he didn’t abuse her.

      • Who ARE these people? says:

        And it doesn’t necessarily mean she was abusive of HIM. We don’t know. If he’s willing to say she hit him, then why not report to the police instead of TMZ.

    • SilkyMalice says:

      Oh boy, here we go again with Amber being accused of not being the perfect victim. Just what exactly IS a perfect victim to you?

      • Wren says:

        Nobody, and that’s the whole point. There is no perfect victim just like there is no perfect woman and that allows legions of idiots to excuse their own shortcomings and failures. And it also allows us to distance ourselves from the horror. Believing (wishing?) that the victim is somehow to blame, even in a tiny way, makes it that much easier to say, “this could never happen to me, I’m not like that!”

    • Izzy says:

      Oh look everybody, here are today’s talking points! LOL

    • isabelle says:

      You didn’t read the whole thing did you? Especially the bit about People magazine?

    • Snowflake says:

      Well if Johnny would come forward and state his innocence, that would help. Interesting he hasnt done that.

  20. Milli zen says:

    Is this being picked up by any other news sites ? i dont trust tmz at all

  21. Miss S says:

    Lawyers, please help me with this. If there’s an altercation in public (apparently this happened at an airport) isn’t it a public crime and therefore, even if the victim doesn’t want to, the abuser can be arrested?

    This is another example of how not being the perfect victim can totally give arguments to the other side. She clearly said in the past that she has a temper, so I would assume this was an isolated case where there was something physical, but she didn’t punch her or threw her to the floor, right?
    Anyway, this doesn’t prove that her allegations are false, but it does add something to the narrative that they want to spin stating that she was the one abusive towards Depp.

    • lilacflowers says:

      It depends upon the state but generally, you do need a willing victim to prosecute.

      Not punching or throwing a victim to the floor does not make the violence less. Never assume that a physical altercation between partners is an isolated incident. Also never assume that just because the victim went back that the violence ended.

      But this is all irrelevant to her case against Depp as it presently exists.

      • Miss S says:

        I didn’t say it was excusable. I’m just trying to understand how serious the altercation has to be in order to guarantee an arrest. In my country that would be a public crime so you wouldn’t need the victim to come forward. Police could close their eyes given the context if they are able to understand it, but by law they can arrest the alleged abusive person even if there’s “just” yelling and pushing around.

        I’m not saying that is ok, but it’s not the same to have an altercation between equals and really harming someone, that was my point, and through TMZ we know very little.

      • lilacflowers says:

        The willingness of the living victim to prosecute generally is more important than the degree of violence.

      • KitteN says:

        Lilac-What is your opinion about Amber’s choice to retain Allred? Apologies if you’ve already spoken about this but couldn’t find you on the other thread.

      • noway says:

        Not sure how people feel it is okay to quantify Amber’s abuse of her, but not the other way around. Both are wrong!!!! Reality whether she did this or not doesn’t mean she wasn’t abused by Johnny. Abused being abuser I don’t think is that odd of a psychological idea.

    • Sam says:

      Answer: Technically, yes. But practically, not really.

      Yes, it is true that the state can technically continue a prosecution without a victim. However, for a variety of reasons, most prosecutions don’t go forward without a complaining witness. The first reason is pretty basic – If the victim doesn’t want to prosecute, then why should the state waste its time and money? The state has limited time and funds – it will prioritize cases with a higher change of success and with victims willing to come in and testify. The second reason is that in many cases, the victim’s testimony is absolutely essential. If they will not testify willingly, the other options is to force them into court through a material witness warrant, which essentially allows you to jail the victim until they agree to appear. While that is legal, most prosecutors dislike the idea of throwing a victim in jail to force their compliance. Third, if the prosecution does go on with no victim present, it presents an issue because the defense will be able to make all kinds of speculation about the situation and the prosecution won’t really be able to refute it.

      So while yes, legally, the victim is not “essential” to prosecute a case, without them, it almost never happens.

    • claire says:

      When you commit a criminal act, it’s the entity vs the defendant. The state or county or whatever. You’re breaking that entity’s laws, and the DA office and prosecutor are a tool of that entity to prosecute that. It has nothing to do with where committed and being in the public. That’s why the charging document or docket will say state vs defendant, etc., not victim vs defendant, like a civil case would. It’s harder to prosecute some cases if a witness/victim is unwilling and uncooperative. That’s the reason something is dropped or not charged. It’s not that it’s the victim’s choice at all, really. Just, can the prosecution win the case?

    • Unmade_bed says:

      In North Carolina, the state will prosecute even if the victim of domestic violence doesn’t want to take it to court.

      • lilacflowers says:

        Massachusetts will too if there are other witnesses. There really need to be cooperating witnesses for charges to stick.

        I recently represented a corporation that had a zero tolerance for domestic violence in an appeal of an arbitrator’s decision reinstating an employee after the firm terminated him for a third offense (two earlier offenses resulted in suspensions.) His wife had called the police to report that he had beaten her, left the house and had just called to say he was coming home to kill her. The police responded and stopped his car once block from the house. They interviewed him and her separately and took photographs of evidence in his car, damage to items in the house, cuts on his face, and welts and cuts on her, including bite marks on her breast. However, the cops did not actually see or hear any conflict between the couple. When interviewed by the DA, the wife gave a completely different explanation for the property damage and her injuries and said she would invoke spousal privilege if called to testify so the case was dropped, but the company proceeded with its own investigation, which resulted in yet another version of events from both him and her. They then held a disciplinary hearing, at which the wife testified in his favor with yet another version of events from both of them. The company still fired him, this being his THIRD offense (another woman was involved in the earlier offenses), and they viewed the inconsistencies as outright lying, which they were. The case went to arbitration, at which the wife did not appear, claiming illness, but submitted a notarized letter with yet another version of how she obtained her injuries and how the property in the house, including three telephones, was damaged. She was too sick to attend the arbitration hearing but well enough to go to a notary’s office. The arbitrator created his own definition of “domestic violence,” claiming serious physical harm was necessary and reinstated the jerk. On appeal, the judge found in the company’s favor because the arbitrator was just so egregiously wrong. But my point is, a witness is necessary in the criminal cases because the victim can invoke privilege and not be made to testify at all or can, out of fear, repeatedly change the story.

  22. The Other Katherine says:

    This prior arrest coming out is a good example of why supporting a victim of DV (in the current case, Amber) shouldn’t mean whitewashing who that person is and painting them as meek and gentle angels if they’re not. Difficult people with a history of relationship problems and anger management issues, even including perpetrating DV themselves, can also be DV victims. If we try to garner support for DV victims by making them out to be the unambiguous “good guy” in all respects, the unintended consequence is that that support will be withdrawn from victims who turn out to have significant character flaws, and that just feeds into the cycle of DV where any imperfection in the victim gets blamed as the root cause of abuse.

    Obviously, Amber hitting her gf (and it sounds like the facts are not in question there) was reprehensible, and I can only hope she apologized sincerely and has learned how to manage her own anger without resorting to physical abuse. In that case as in the case of Amber’s recent abuse by JD, violence against a partner, except in genuine self-defense, is unacceptable no matter what the argument is about and who started it. But I can easily believe both that Amber behaved abusively to Tasya in an airport, AND that Johnny abused Amber on multiple occasions while drunk/high.

    • Kitte says:


    • wolfpup says:

      There is also a huge difference in the damage an adult man is able to inflict, compared to a sock in the arm from a woman (however gross). I grew up with three brothers (no sisters), and we had rules when it came to socking. A man full of rage is dangerous and very scary!

      • Luca76 says:

        I think that’s dangerous thinking and in fact homophobia by police has diminished same-sex domestic violence for a long time even moreso than opposite sex DV which is wild. Whatever the gender domestic violence is serious and wrong.

      • Mira says:

        I don’t think we should go down that path because we would then be somehow suggesting the case of women who physically abuse their male partners or women who abuse their female partners is less serious or damaging. Which it is not.
        We can support her in her case against Depp without downplaying her actions against her previous girlfriend

      • KitteN says:

        ITA, wolfpup. It’s not politically correct and people will slam you (and me) but I don’t think it’s wrong to acknowledge the sheer disparity in strength between men and women. I think it speaks to the fear that abusive men are able to instill in their victims, knowing that they can easily overpower a woman within seconds.

        That being said, violent women sometimes use that strength disparity to impose a certain type of psychological power over men that is incredibly dangerous as well. In other words, abusive women may know that their victim will refuse to hit them back, and will take advantage of that.

        I know I’m in the minority on this, but I think you can acknowledge the very real truth that men are physically more powerful than women (with very few exceptions) and also say that this does not give women the right to hit men.

        I think around here we’re so fearful of perpetuating double standards that we refuse to see that two situations can be different but equally-awful.

      • The Other Katherine says:

        I agree with the idea that it’s important never to dismiss and minimize DV regardless of the genders of the perpetrator and victim. However, I think it does a disservice to victims of DV as a group, who are majority female, to ignore the physical power differential between them and their abusers, who are more often male than not.

        I used to lift weights (and hope to get back to it when my son is a bit older). Not competitively, but regularly and with an emphasis on strength training. One of the things I learned is that, as a group, men are a lot stronger physically than women. Like, A LOT a lot. The difference is much more than I would have believed. Now, some women are genetically gifted at building muscle and some men are frail, some women work out and some men do not, and certainly one specific woman may be much stronger than one specific man. But, ON AVERAGE, men are much stronger than women (and less easily injured due to superior size and bigger bones) and have a enormous inherent advantage in a physical confrontation with a woman.

        All other things being equal, a woman who is beaten up by a man is at much higher risk of permanent, disabling injury than someone who is beaten up by a woman. Yes, a woman committing DV can use guns or knives and maim or kill in this way, but that’s not how the majority of DV incidents happen. Most incidents involve a man using his hands and feet to injure a woman who is weaker and more fragile than he is, and that’s part of the reason DV is inherently a feminist issue. Not because male DV victims don’t also suffer or because victims of same-sex partners don’t suffer, but because the burden of suffering is borne most heavily by women suffering at the hands of men.

      • KitteN says:

        The Other Katherine-YES YES YES. You said it so well.

        At the risk of sounding like a brag, I consider myself really strong. I devote a lot of time to working out and I’m that woman in fitness classes that’s often lifting the same weight as men in the class*.
        But when my BF and I “play-wrestle” I’m always horrified at how quickly he can pin me down and render me completely helpless. Honestly, it’s done in fun and usually involves a lot of giggling between the two of us, but I’ve also had a few heart-pounding moments just realizing how powerless I am against him.
        The thing is, I’m more physically-fit than him and in relation to my gender, I’m far stronger than most. Doesn’t matter though, when faced with the inherent strength of a man, it’s futile.

        *EXCEPT for chest. Chest-presses, flies, whatever-men will always be able to bench much much more than me. And I think that’s an important distinction: there’s a huge difference between female and male upper-body strength.

      • Luca76 says:

        I have to protest. Call me too PC if you want not all women are 5 2 and 105 lbs there can be physical dominance between same sex partners ( I happen to know two women who are lesbian/bi that are over 6 ft and strong as hell) if we don’t take abuse seriously or diminish it just because it’s not the norm we are being insensitive and closing our hearts and minds to victims.
        That in no way is to say what Amber experienced with Johnny is ok either. You can hold a place for more than one thing being wrong.

      • KitteN says:

        Point taken, Luca, but I didn’t say anything about same-sex partners, I was only speaking specifically about male vs female strength disparity as that’s what was mentioned in Wolfpup’s comment.

      • Mira says:

        @Kitten @theotherkatherine
        I definitely think you have good points and agree with a lot of it.
        But I think any psychologist would disagree with you that its political correctness that leads one to say violence in same sex couple or against a man have just as bad an affect on someone. Its not just about the physical damage, the long term psychological damage is in many case the most devastating. All domestic violences cases should be taken equally serious. Also DV happens in male with male relationship too.Would we have more sympathy for the victim if a big man beats a smaller man then if a small man beats a bigger man?
        From a feminist pov yes the size and strength matter, but more important in this discussion imo is the mechanism of a misogynistic society and thought patterns that allow many men to go unpunished and victims to be shamed when they come forward.

      • Kate says:

        Most DV is, for lack of a better term, ‘mild’. Men who beat their partners to a pulp and eventually kill them are very rare. Most DV is of the pushing, slapping, restraining, throwing, spitting kind, with maybe a proper punch thrown once or twice in the relationship. Some of the worst DV cases I’ve seen have involved a perpetrator who never laid a hand on the victim, but spent years indirectly suggesting they might, if…

        The idea that every DV case is this extreme situation where a man beats a woman almost to death regularly isn’t helpful. Emotional abuse, financial abuse, these are usually far bigger issues than the physical violence.

        So many people don’t get help, or don’t think they need help, because DV is portrayed as this incredibly violent and obvious thing. It’s your face being black and blue, not being locked out of your bank account. It’s broken bones, not a small red mark on your wrist from your partner holding you too tight. It’s fearing for your life, not just hating your life.

      • KitteN says:

        I think you guys misunderstood what I was saying.
        Again, I said nothing about same-sex DV. Nothing. My comment about political correctness was in response to people constantly trying to equalize male-on-female DV and female-on-male DV as if they are the EXACT SAME THING. I was simply saying that both are equally terrible and should not be tolerated, but that they are different, that’s all.

        Look, there’s a reason why I get fearful when I’m walking home late at night and I see a man by himself (he doesn’t have to be a large man BTW for me to be intimidated) versus a woman walking by herself. The man is inherently more threatening because I know he can physically overpower me. Likewise, there’s a reason why a man walking alone at night would be more fearful of another man versus a woman.

        None of this is to diminish female-on-male DV or to say that there aren’t cases where a woman can physically overpower a man. But that’s not the majority, it’s not typical, and I think it’s disingenuous to insinuate that this is a common occurrence in the name of political correctness, feminism, equality, whatever.

        Men have been instilling fear and intimidating women for centuries through sheer physicality and that is not something to overlook or dismiss as it plays a significant role in patriarchy and gender inequality.
        I do agree with your and Luca76’s points, but they don’t contradict my statements either, do they? If they do, I’m not seeing it and would be happy to have it pointed out to me.

      • Luca76 says:

        Wolfpup’s original comment read to me as minimizing Amber’s action against Taysa because she couldn’t do as much damage as a man and I do feel the subsequent comments were in support of that. Even if it was brought back to a male vs female reference point.

      • Carol says:

        @Luca76 I completely agree. Violence against any person shouldn’t be diminished because it caused “less harm” than another case. Whether its man vs woman, woman vs woman, or woman vs man, its still violence.

      • The Other Katherine says:

        @Luca76, I think if you reread my comment, you will see that I was specifically NOT supporting minimizing any kind of partner violence, including within same-sex female couples. I think that intimate partner violence in any couple is unacceptable regardless of the genders of the partners, AND I think that intimate partner violence is especially important for feminists to address specifically as a feminist issue because men so often use their typically superior physical strength to terrorize their female partners (whether through inflicting actual serious injury, or merely through threatening to do so either with words or with the “mild” violence Kate talks about). Acknowledging that domestic violence is an important piece in the mosaic of how a misogynist society subjugates women is not the same as delegitimizing or minimizing the lived (and awful) experiences of DV victims who are in a same-sex relationship and/or are male.

    • Sullivan says:

      Hear, hear

    • Keaton says:

      I completely agree.
      It’s like after it became clear Amber was a victim of Depp’s abuse many people suddenly re-framed their view of her.

      This is how I see it: The issue of whether Amber was abused by Depp is black or white. There is only one scenario where his actions are OK: Self-defense. That’s it. All this stuff about Amber being a gold-digger, pushing his buttons, having a temper herself, etc is irrelevant. (And the Gone Girl theory falls apart when you look at the facts logically).

      But people are not “black” or “white.” They’re complex. Most are not monsters or angels. And I think acknowledging that is a good thing. It can only help victims in the future.

    • says:

      @The Other Katherine
      You are so totally right.

      I already said it, I believe that JD abused her and I believed he should go to jail for that. But the white-washing of Amber is getting on my nerves. To gain the PR game, she portrayed herself as the “naive, loving, supportive” victim. She shouldn’t have to. Being a victim should have been enough.
      And she probably shouldn’t have. If/When the “naive, loving, supportive” part of the narrative fall, it might take down the victim part with it. It comes to an issue of credibility /believability.

    • I Choose Me says:


  23. Ellie says:

    I understand why Amber should be defended over Johnny’s PR onslaught and should get hers from taking his abuse for years, but I don’t think she can be defended when it comes to being arrested for domestic violence. I think it seems very likely they’re both terrible people with a violent streak, and from the outside, we will never know. That’s the case in any relationship, and I would argue doubly so with one where there’s two warring PR machines actively trying to befuddle us.

    I admire that this site is defending Amber because very few others are totally on her side, but if awful stuff comes out about her, we shouldn’t be just actively dismissing it with a “yes, but…”

    • Net says:

      I totally agree!

      My husband was accused by an ex, MONTHS after we started living together, and he never never never touched her. Ive been with him for 6 years and he has never raised his hand to me ever. That being said..Mrs Thang..I will call her, produced pictures of bruises. Not on her face mind you, on her body. ANd sued for DA He had to fight those charges with thousands of dollars, get a lawyer and eventually we ended up just pleading guilty so as not to have to go to court. Meanwhile, she never had to show, not one time.

      It came out, AFTER we paid all the fines, that in the pictures she was on a ladder and fell to a table that was under her. The friend of hers that took the picture came to my husband later and spilled the big secret. She was just out to get him because he broke up with her and she was a little on the crazy side their entire relationship.

      So I KNOW, that LYING ABOUT ABUSE DOES HAPPEN. The charges are very serious and if not true can still haunt someone for a very long time.

  24. Skins says:

    I like how the one doorman said that he was going to “compliment her on her complexion” Really? Come on man. How much did Johnny pay these guys?

    • Miss S says:

      I read that and was “What!!??”, is that something a doorman tells a woman who lives in the building? I mean, that really feels like a forced, unnecessary comment.

    • isabelle says:

      Men often do that didn’t you know, haven’t you ever experienced it? I’ve had so many men,as well as so many other ladies, that have said “what a nice complexion you have today”! Strangers usually do this, especially doormen and customer service people. lmao. Wonder how much these doormen were paid do get that bit of false info?

    • dippit says:

      Elsewhere it’s being reported that it isn’t just two doormen but also a fellow apartment block resident (possibly a woman [?] ) who are all prepared to testify they saw no bruises two days on.

      I believe it is the fellow resident who has stated they were going to compliment her on her complexion. DListed goes so far as to say the fellow resident noted AH looked to be wearing no make-up.

  25. Liz says:

    I’m wondering if she now regrets not filing a police report. She might not want to bury Depp, but he sure as hell doesn’t care about ruining her. I think filing the police report now would be a good idea to lessen the impact of this new revelation.

    • Flowerchild says:

      Why would she regrets it? I do believe it was pointed out yesterday that she has already filed the police report.

      • TG says:

        She has not filed a police report.

      • Liz says:

        By regret I mean that it was reported she had changed her mind about filing the report because she still loved him and didn’t want him arrested. I think if it wasn’t obvious to her before that he doesn’t give a shit about her this will change that.

      • KitteN says:

        Has she filed a police report?

        There has been a lot of back-and-forth on this and from my understanding, she has still not filed a report. I thought she just made an “official statement” to the police to clear up what happened and left it up to them to investigate.

      • TG says:

        I’ll write it again: she has not filed a police report.

      • The Other Katherine says:

        An official statement to the police *is* a “police report.” As has been explained on here many times, the victim doesn’t decide whether to prosecute, the DA’s office does — and can do so whether the victim cooperates or not, although cooperation by the victim is often necessary to make charges stick.

      • TG says:

        Hey, I’m not trying to ruffle any feathers are take sides here. While her legal team said she was going to make an official statement, according to a spokesperson for the LAPD (per THR), they never received any new info from Heard.

      • Lilacflowers says:

        She also filed for and has in place a TRO, which will expire in a set number of days. Before expiration, she can seek to have it made permanent.

  26. HK9 says:

    At this point, I’d take anything TMZ has to say with a boulder of salt.

  27. Miss S says:

    It just came to my mind that if people are going to use this against Amber, like some sort of proof that she is lying about everything, as if this erases her allegations, then, maybe, we should bring all the history Johnny Depp has with the law due to his violent temperament and issues with drugs/alcohol. I don’t understand how this is more important than his own history. Most people just want to find excuses for him, no matter how small and lame they are.

    IF (a huge if) Amber is lying and this is some sort of high level sociopath conspiracy I’ll be the first one to acknowledge that I was fooled, but until something really questionable comes up that logically undermines what she has claimed so far, I totally believe her. But I really wished this went to court, otherwise it’s just a public court trial where people can make up their minds selecting what it’s convenient to them and their narrative.

  28. teehee says:

    Well at least she WAS. Thats entirely correct. Johnny has yet to be arrested. Although this in no way, whatsoever, changes anything about what Johnny has done to Amber. You dont need to be a saint to be a victim.

  29. Snowflake says:

    I wish they would work as hard to dig up Johnny’s dirt as they have Amber’s. I have a feeling Amber’s bad stuff wouldbe nothing compared to what Johnny’s got hidden. Go amber, nail his balls to the wall! (Not literally) Bring up all his Dirt that you know about. He deserves it after trying to smear you like this. Bring it girl.

  30. Dippit says:

    This doesn’t necessarily muddy the water over whether JD ever physically abused AH, but it could be used to give credence to the claims from his bodyguards that they had to drag her off from assaulting him times past. If the veracity of their claims is given legitimacy on that front due to her having a provable history of spousal violence, any other testimony they give in JD’s favour (i.e. she was on the sofa saying “don’t hit me” whilst he was well away from her in the kitchen OR they refute JD having ever been violent) could carry more weight. That’s where this might damage her case.

    N.B. NOT taking sides, simply looking at it objectively for where this new information fits in and may help strengthen JD’s case for maintaining no violence took place on his part.

    I think the texts will be subject to an ‘experts’ merry-go-round of ‘real’ and ‘not real’ and it could come down to who presents as most believable. AH has one strike against her credibility because of Australia and forging official documents. If JD’s former assistant is otherwise upstanding as a citizen with no proven acts of dishonesty then his version of the texts – supported by the ‘experts’ JD’s team will undoubtedly have claiming ‘doctoring’ – could carry more weight.

    I still think JD’s team have something kept back to play out in refutation in an official court arena. They’ve revealed far less of their working strategy than AH’s team, who may regret being so free with her ‘evidence’ in the media. JD has been better advised to stay quiet and even his surrogates are more at a remove (the doormen) than AH’s. For all CBers can speculate that a whole team of bodyguards, doormen, former assistants etc are being paid off, unless that’s provable or they can be shown of poor prior character (been found dishonest in the past) that won’t matter. The same can be said for AH’s witnesses/surrogates. It’s going to come down to believability and a determination of how vested a witness is to give accurate, or flipside – perjured, account. Like it or not, a lot of ‘of good prior character’ assessments are going to be important and all involved will be under a microscope. JD has a lot of dirt too, but this does undermine AH in a matter which is directly relevant. JD could’ve broken all the hotel TVs in the world, but not one person has accused him of violence towards their person as yet. AH on the other hand now has such an event as a matter of record.

    Again, no sides taken – just balancing out this latest turn.

    • TG says:

      ITA and thanks for the nicely balanced comment. I think Amber, who’s already at an incredible disadvantage, has an even bigger uphill battle now. I also think it was a misstep to claim she had video of Depp assaulting her, but then backtracked to it being a video of him having a melt down. I feel like ultimately the media leaks are going to prove problematic for her.

    • The Other Katherine says:

      @Dippit, in general I agree with your assessment. One correction, though — JD has been arrested for violence against persons before. Just not violence against a domestic partner or girlfriend.

      • Dippit says:

        I’m always happy to stand corrected. The only arrest I knew of was threatening paps with a block of wood (?), I hadn’t known of one where he committed actual bodily assault.

        Which is not to say threatening behaviour and intent to place in fear of assault doesn’t count against him btw.

      • The Other Katherine says:

        The “assault” part is, under the law of most if not all U.S. states, the threat/attempt coupled with a reasonable fear by the victim of imminent harm; “battery” is actually making the harmful/offensive contact, which is why the two are usually charged together.

        My understanding of the paparazzi incident is that he made contact with one using the chunk of wood, but there were no significant injuries. JD was also arrested in 1989 for allegedly assaulting a security guard (not sure whether battery was charged in that incident — the articles I’ve seen reference assault, but I do not know if they are using the term in the legal or the colloquial sense).

      • dippit says:

        Thank you – UK here so mainly versant with both Scots Law and that of England & Wales. I can’t recall exactly but I think the pap related arrest may have taken place in London (?).

        As to the incident with the security guard, I was unaware.

        Please note I am in no way defending JD’s “good character”, just merely speculating as to the way this new DV arrest of AH may effect to undermine some of her media (and subsequent legal) positioning.

      • The Other Katherine says:

        Dippit, you are correct about the arrest for threatening paps with a piece of wood taking place in London. I just looked it up, and apparently the charge was “threatening behaviour.” Doing some cursory reading, it seems like a charge that might get used when there was a scuffle where no one was really hurt.

        Have you read JD’s interview comments on this incident? Apparently he was thrilled by the fear in their eyes and quite happy to spend a few hours in jail for the pleasure. I mean, I get that paps can be truly awful, but it sounded like the words of someone who enjoyed having an excuse for feeling self-righteous in expressing his rage physically. I do think this will all end up getting settled and that there will never be any criminal charges filed, but if there were I do wonder how many of JD’s past interviews would come back to haunt him.

      • K2 says:

        @Dippit – fyi assault has the same legal definition in England and Wales as described above in the States. If there is physical contact, that’s battery (and if there are injuries, then you’re in the realms of Actual or Grievous Bodily Harm). Common assault (traditionally a common law offence, though apparently now interpreted as against statute, too) is putting someone in fear of immediate physical harm. That’s the legal definition in this jurisdiction, too. Therefore he committed assault under our law if he threatened someone with a plank of wood. He may have been charged with a fluffier sounding public order offence, but it fits common assault very neatly, too.

        It’s a really common misapprehension, the belief that common assault requires force, or even contact. But by legal definition, it doesn’t.

        I’m assuming you’re a Scot – my understanding is that it is defined as a physical contact offence there.

    • Misti says:

      @Dippit – Thanks for this. Learning so much here.

    • Luca76 says:

      great comment!

  31. Rebecca says:

    Sorry, but I feel this incident ruins her credibility. Now I am wondering if it is true that they both hit each other. Nevertheless, I understand that Johnny Depp is the stronger one and he can do more damage. Thus, I hope he has some consequences for his actions.

    I’m not sure she can recover from this though. I think this is the story that allows Johnny to come back scot -free without any repercussions.

    • Ennie says:

      I still think the perpetrator is him. He has the most resources, has a known history of not controlling his anger, he has a bunch of paid enablers who cannot tell him no and who cover for him. We do not know how many other things he has broken over the years. He might have been worse with Amber for some reason, maybe the ways she reacted were triggers, but he, as an adult, and a father on top of that, had to be in control of himself. And if he could not, he should have gotten help instead of covering his tracks.
      I feel that he really fancies himself as a young person, a “rocker” and a “rebel” pffffft! To me, he is just a wanna be that is living his dreams of being a rockstar because he has money to indulge. He wanted the young wife to go with his image. He is such an insecure tw*t.

    • Luca76 says:

      I mean its possible that she did physically attack him on one or more occasion but not only does that not excuse his behavior that doesn’t even necessarily mean that the only times he hit her were preceded by violence on her part.

      • Rebecca says:

        I agree Luca76, it does not excuse his behavior. But, I also agree with GoodNamesAllTaken. People who want him to go scot free with use this to discredit her.

        This is the story she won’t recover from and that is really too bad. I hope it does not ruin her career.

    • GoodNamesAllTaken says:

      I think that people who want him to go scot free will use this to discredit her and as “proof” that she’s lying, even though that’s not logical. How does her behavior to her partner years ago, inexcusable as it was, mean that she’s not telling the truth now? If she had been found to have lied about another domestic abuse situation, that’s one thing, but the fact that she hit her former partner in no way indicates that her current partner did not hit her. Victims don’t have to be perfect people to be victims.

    • MichLynn says:

      Rebecca, I’m wondering the same. Could have been a mutually violent relationship. Say she throws a vase at him, then he throws an iPhone at her and it hits her. Say she slaps him in argument while he’s drunk, he then tries to suffocate her. Yes he is the stronger one and his violence would always be worse and it doesn’t excuse it. But a mutually violent relationship dynamic is possible. Not making excuses for Johnny or defending him, and not blaming Amber. No one deserves to be hit, have things thrown at them, pushed, etc for ANY reason.

      • C'est la Vie says:

        Look, that argument is bs. You want to know why? First off, his lawyer would have come up with some statement about her abusing him and how he never touched her. She has not and there is a noticeable radio silence from Depp who is hiding out in Europe. It’s Amber who has the pictures, evidence and witnesses. Smart woman.

        Guess what? That’s a clear admission of his guilt. Right there. Not even a denial that he did this. Or ever abused her at all. Or that she ever abused him. Not once. Just this smear/pr campaign. It’s sickening and it sounds like a case of constant abuse of Amber if you ask me. And yes, I’m a bit biased, having been in a case much like hers. I was terrified every day of my life. I was one of the many victims who were too scared to come forward. For years afterward I was still afraid of my ex, that he might come after me. But I finally stood up for myself. And thank God I had witnesses like Amber, who actually went with me to court and stood by my side so he couldn’t lie about me anymore in court or to his friends and family (I later learned he had been doing that for years) yet still tried to smear me because he finally ended up choking me. You know what his lawyer’s argument was? I provoked him into choking me. Sound familiar? My witnesses and I, as well as his well timed DUI got me out of this mess. And during that entire time I was with him I never abused him once – emotionally, verbally or physically. Yet he hurt me every day. As a former victim I feel proud enough to tell my story, because yes I am a damn survivor. I almost died living with that man. I was ostracized by many who didn’t believe me. Even writing about this now still brings tears to my eyes. This is the 21st century and we’re still blaming the victim, who more often than not happens to be a woman or a child. What does that say about our misogynistic culture?

        Read Reviving Ophelia. It’s a great book. And what the hell are we teaching boys and men? I had a wonderful father. I expected the same in a partner. Was I ever wrong. Why don’t they teach more about DV to girls and women? All the warning signs were there, and I defended this man who tried to kill me. Until I realized some day he would. I still can’t believe this happened to me. So everything about Amber, including the mediator and the substance abuse, et. al resonate with me. Because it happened to me. She is not making this up. You can’t. You live through it and it sounds like she is very damn lucky she did. It’s great that she got out and showed the world that abused women can range from living with millionaire movie stars to those with nothing. I can’t say enough for all of us who have been abused in this way. As for his history of abuse of women, just Google Johnny Depp and Kate Moss. Right back at you Johnny and all the know nothing’s who support him or say there is a middle ground. After that first hit, that first scream, that first time you find yourself covering up bruises and making excuses for him – he’s to blame. Not you. Not the victim. Not ever.

        I’m so glad, not to say impressed at the solidarity of support for Amber shown by this site. I’ve always liked Celebitchy, but this for me, is wonderful. It’s something else to see women supporting someone who’s been smeared over and over by her abusive loser of a husband. The sooner she can get away from him the better. He looks ands sounds like a horror show of a man and she’s going to be dealing with the fallout, emotionally and financially for years. I support her wholeheartedly. Thank you for this venue CB. This is a topic that should be spoken about and it’s obvious some need an education in DV. It’s so hard for me to talk about this, but after reading a few of the comments today, I felt that I finally could. This woman needs sympathy, not smears and unkindness. And it’s great to see that Amber is getting some of that here. Thanks to those who truly understand the ugliness of abuse. It’s all around us, I should know – yet it still keeps happening and yes to women like me, or others here or Amber. It’s a never ending horrific cycle and it needs to stop.

      • MichLynn says:

        Who knows what his lawyers told him to do or what their plan is. All lawyers have reasons for having things play out certain ways, waiting for courtroom maybe. Or probably if this smear campaign doesn’t work then yeah he might say she abused him too. So radio silence might be the current plan. Who knows why he’s not denying it, maybe lawyer advice, maybe he doesn’t care people know he’s an abuser, I have no idea. This is Hollywood. He probably thinks he’s bulletproof. Just because someone points out certain possibilities doesn’t mean it shows non support of Amber or dv victims.
        Look at 22, I was engaged to a guy (he was 35) who yelled, was very manipulative, tried to isolate me from my family, tried to ruin my self-esteem, told me I wasn’t nuturing enough, I should be more loving, and how come I didn’t take better care of him like his ex did, blah blah. The day he threw a remote at a wall, I was out of there. We were alone camping on a lake, I had to walk half mile to gas station to phone my mom to come get me, this was pre-cell phones. The guy had more to worry about from my two older brothers than he did about the cops. I was lucky I got out before it escalated. So she does have my sympathy, as do all DV victims.

      • C'est la Vie says:

        That’s good to know that you give your support to DV victims. It’s good to remember that Amber, as I and many others were and are put into escalating situations of violence. And very often if not always the victim is in a twisted relationship where they actually blame themselves instead of the abuser – who uses their love against them.

        People need to be educated about DV and not jump to conclusions about the victim. And yes, Amber is a victim in all this. The allegations against him are far from just throwing something as horrible as that is. Try to imagine what she’s gone through and then trying to go up against Depp and his team and his money. As far as I’m concerned, she is one brave woman. And as a fellow victim I applaud her.

  32. Agnes says:

    Quite a coincidence, that she files for divorce , then she’s living with that same woman, now called a firend. Also, a witness of her alleged abuse.

    • Miss S says:

      The witness friend, the one present and the one on the phone are not that girlfriend with whom she in in the picture, if that’s what you are insinuating. Nor they live together, they are neighbors.

    • isabelle says: know when you live with the people, they are uh…here is some common sense Agnes…are present in the house when these events happen. Living in the home means, they see it. So would you discredit children or other families in other abuse cases when they report domestic abuse of they live in the same house or apartment building? …By your standards eyewitnesses should never be taken serious if they are family, your friend and and live in the same apartment building/house! yeah lets go that route in our justice system it makes so much sense to only consider those that don’t know the victim, don’t live with them and actually didn’t witness it. Really think hard about what you are saying because by your standards no child, woman or man close to the victim should reporting abuse or be considered a legitimate witness.

      • Liz says:

        It’s unbelievable to me how common sense seems to elude some people commenting on the JD/Amber posts . For once I’d like to see someone try to argue how Depps PAID EMPLOYEES couldn’t possibly lie to protect him.

  33. maili says:

    Well what she did is not okay, and it will definitely discredit her story in the public’s eye, even though it’s not related to this case. It still doesn’t change the fact that Johnny abused her, but I have a hard time wondering how her team will bounce back from this. But they must have known that this would eventually come out, so I wonder if they will release something new in response.

    Like you said, It’s sad that if you come forward and admit you are being abused then you are the one who has their life examined under a microscope, not the abuser. I feel sorry for Tasya too, who is having her name dragged through the media every day, when none of this Johnny/Amber thing has anything to do with her.

    • Guesto says:

      Assuming AH and her lawyers were aware that this assault charge (which is shameful) could well be brought up, I think it actually speaks in Heard’s favour that it didn’t stop her, despite knowing how potentially damaging it could be for her, from going ahead and filing abuse charges against Depp.

    • Jayna says:

      But the point is she has said she’s not going to go the police station and press charges against him. So the only thing really left is for them to divorce. You can only try the case in the public eye for so long if you aren’t going to press criminal charges. It just becomes this kind of mess back and forth. And then the 24-hour endless cycle of news/gossip moves on to the newest thing.

      • Guesto says:

        I don’t disagree with any of that, Jayna.

        I’m merely observing that fear of judgement over a past charge of abuse could have made her (and her lawyers) very skittish about citing abuse in her divorce filing. But that, despite her and her lawyers being fully aware of the possibility of it emerging and being used against her, it still didn’t deter her.

        That, in the context of the very powerful Depp PR machine, takes…imo at least… courage.

      • Who ARE these people? says:

        As far as our lawyer friends here have informed us, that isn’t how it works. She doesn’t have to “go to the police station and press charges.”

        She made a statement to the police when they arrived at their home.

        That statement becomes part of the police report on that particular incident.
        She didn’t have to “file a report.” The police took notes talking to her, made their own notes based on their own observations, left, and “filed the report.”

        The police can then investigate that incident. Maybe they’ve already said they are and I missed it.

        The police, if they feel the incident merits pressing charges (especially in this case if it appears to fit into a pattern of alleged previous violence), will discuss the case with the District Attorney (DA).

        The DA will consider what the police say, the evidence, and the alleged victim’s willingness/ability to cooperate/testify, and decide whether it is a case worth prosecuting.

        If all those conditions are met, then the DA will press charges. And all of this is going to take considerable time, so in the meantime the case is being presented in the court of public opinion because both are public figures, and because one, in particular, has a checkered history to say the least as well as a mammoth fortune and obvious ego, and the other is that perpetual figure of fascination – a gorgeous Hollywood “starlet.”

        People can make civil complaints against one another, but this is a criminal matter and follows a different process. The State does not want people to hit other people, whether related or not, so they call it criminal behavior and have the right to intervene during or after the fact.

        It’s not all Judge Judy and the People’s Court out there, and it’s not all about people suing other people either.

      • Dippit says:

        @Who Are These People – the problem is, as I understand it (and what @Jayna may refer to), AH was interviewed by LAPD officers attending a call out from her friend/neighbour but, as has been stated officially by LAPD, made no reference of an actual bodily assault on that occasion. Furthermore, LAPD have officially stated that they observed no evidence of an assault (no bruising etc – despite claims in her TRO submission that the photograph of bruising was taken before the police officers arrived). So, as it stands, AH made no complaints of assault on the night to officers attending and they observed no evidence (upon which, had they done so, they would have had to have acted – whether AH was a willing/unwilling complainant).

        Since then AH has provided media outlets with ‘evidence’/’witness statements’ of alleged DV (from that night and other occasions) but has yet to make a formal allegation of assault(s) with the proper authorities – LAPD (and/or other police forces covering jurisdiction for the other instances for which she’s alleging with ‘evidence’/’witnesses’ solely in the media.

        Now it’s been stated she doesn’t wish to “bury him” so is not pursuing formalising her claims in a criminal charges arena. I agree with Jayna that she can only maintain this – media, but no official action – for so long before she has to focus on what she hopes to achieve. All that is being achieved at the moment is a lot of doubt and aspersions cast by, and against, both parties in a messy PR divorce. Until she formally alleges assault (in a criminal sense) there can be no further investigation or any formal proceeding leading to resolution.

        In the meantime, although the TRO stands (and it may/may not be extended at the next hearing) it has no ‘criminal’ bearing (does not serve as proof of her claims) unless JD breaches it – at which point that would be the first, and only, instance of which he would be proven to have committed an illegal act.

        There is a point at which AH needs to prioritise which court (not just the one of ‘public opinion’) she wishes to have her day in court in, and why. Also, JD has his right to a day in court too whatever your opinion is of him as a person.

        As it is, AH is diluting focus by further pursuing DS (and other yet unnamed defendants) in a defamation suit which is based on a questionably actionable ‘essay’. DH very carefully attributes all his writings to “Johnny told me (and others)” so AH’s case is weak – unless it’s actually JD she pursues for the alleged defamation. Further, the more she releases to the media, opposed to formalising with the proper criminal authorities, the more she leaves herself open to JD making suit for allegations of her defaming him over, as yet unproven (and she’s not formalised in law), DV accusations – and, at this point, JD could make a better case for damages (as relevant in legal terms) than AH can make as a plaintiff against DH (other defendants).

        Unless AH formalises her accusations and provides the proper authorities with a complaint and accompanying evidence, this is still merely a ‘no fault’ divorce on the grounds of irreconcilable difference, albeit a nasty one, with a TRO thrown in (subject to future ammendment/lapse).

      • Guesto says:

        @Dippit – thank you for that.

        I’m finding it so difficult to know where things are, legally, with this and I really wish someone (legal) would clarify it. Has she or has she not filed an official police report? Or do we just not know?

      • Emma - The JP Lover says:

        @Who Are These People, who wrote: “She made a statement to the police when they arrived at their home. That statement becomes part of the police report on that particular incident. She didn’t have to “file a report.” The police took notes talking to her, made their own notes based on their own observations, left, and “filed the report.”

        I’m confused. It has been widely reported that the police didn’t file a report because they said: Amber didn’t mention Johnny Depp’s name, she declined to provide a statement, and police saw no evidence of a crime when they arrived at the residence. And didn’t Amber’s attorney also say in a statement that Amber declined to file a police statement because she wanted to protect Depp’s privacy and her privacy? Here is an excerpt from that statement:

        “Amber did not provide a statement to the LAPD in an attempt to protect her privacy and Johnny’s career… In domestic violence cases, it is not unusual for the perpetrator’s playbook to include miscasting the victim as the villain. In reality, Amber acted no differently than many victims of domestic violence, who think first of the harm that might come to the abuser, rather than the abuse they have already suffered.”

  34. Miss S says:

    “Amber Heard had an argument at the airport with her former partner, grabbed her and struck her on the arm. Does it mean that she, herself, could not ever have been punched and kicked by her husband? It is possible for all of those things to exist at the same time.

    Over the last two weeks, Amber Heard has submitted multiple photos, eyewitness statements officially filed with the authorities, text messages officially filed with authorities, and her own statements to the court. Meanwhile Johnny Depp has submitted… TMZ.”

    From Lainey:–Stephen-Deuters/44083

    • C'est la Vie says:

      Thank you for this – rationality, you have to love it.

      Just goes to show there are no depths to which Team Depp and TMZ will sink.

  35. neocleo says:

    Amber looks so much happier in the photos with Tasya than I ever remember seeing her with Johnny.

  36. VL says:

    I was wondering when this would reappear. Not sure why everyone is acting like this wasn’t reported back when it happened?

    • Luca76 says:

      Probably because when it did no one really knew of her and it wasn’t mentioned in subsequent stories about her.

  37. Cat87 says:

    But Depp in the past had issues with his alcohol abuse and drugs. This two elements alone are often times present in domestic violence cases. Even if Heard in the pastop was booked on domestic violence it doesn’t destroy her creditability as being a victim.

    Heard went to court for her domestic abuse case. Depp should be investigated and trail just as the same regardless of Heard’s past.

  38. Jayna says:

    Did Amber have plastic surgery? She looks so different in that top photo with her girlfriend, plainer.

    • LeAnn Stinks says:

      I was wondering the same thing. Maybe she was a bit heavier then and it changed the shape of her face because if you Google image her, she basically looks the same.

    • KitteN says:

      I think it’s just weight loss. She does look really different though.

    • Miss S says:

      I saw a couple of films she did a few years ago and she definitely lost weight but also is more sophisticated, style wise.

    • Gistine says:

      Nosejob. Her nose is noticeably shorter and slightly thinned. Also, weight loss.

      • Cirque28 says:

        It looks like a subtle nose job + weight loss + better styling to me too. Or maybe it’s just the angle on her nose.

  39. Danish says:

    Honestly it’s starting to look that this relationship was filled with abuse from both parties. I dont think amber was this innocent wife who was just innocently abused by her husband & i also don’t believe johnny has never been abusive towards her. I think they were BOTH abusive to each other & honestly neither are looking so good so the faster they just divorce each other & move on with their lives the better. This was a short lived marriage that produced no children (thank God) so this divorce shouldn’t be as complicated as they are making it out to be.

    • TG says:

      I think so too. I am totally here for supporting victims of DV 100%, but I think there is a lot of gray area here and both sides look shady AF right now.

      • Miss S says:

        That’s exactly the goal of TMZ (Depp’s team).

      • TG says:

        Oh FFS, I have never vistited tmz in my life. Just because I question some of Amber’s motives (Allred) doesn’t negate that I believe she was abused by Johhny. The hive mentality works both ways, you know?

    • Kate says:

      Why do you believe both sides were abusive toward each other? He has offered no allegation in any of his filings or in response to her request for a restraining order that she was abusive toward him. So what brings you to that conclusion? Because if a man hits you, you must have done something to provoke it? Nice reasoning there. It’s been used for generations to justify domestic abuse. And it’s fascinating to see so much focus on a past incident of violence on Amber’s part, but Johnny’s long, long, well-documented violent behavior toward photographers, his admissions of having a vicious temper, his rampant drug use, etc, are what? The natural mood swings of a temperamental “artiste”? If you get assaulted by a stranger, you get sympathy. If it’s your partner, you get questions like, “So, what did you do to deserve it?”

      • Snowflake says:

        Yeah i sent a tip in to saying her texts were proved real. Let’s see if they post an article. Johnny must be paying them really well. Oops i posted wrong area.meant for Isabelle

      • GoodNamesAllTaken says:

        So agree, Kate. I’m getting so frustrated.

      • Danish says:

        Funny you bring up johnny depps PAST of hitting funitures & threatening paparazzi but are shocked that i am stating that Amber probably was abusive (bodyguard already stated so) based on legal documents from her past arrest. Lets not be on sided here.

      • GoodNamesAllTaken says:

        I don’t want to one sided, I just don’t buy the argument that she isn’t perfect, so he shouldn’t be punished. She probably did things wrong, too, so let’s just move on. We have no evidence that she did anything to HIM but lots of evidence that he did something to HER. The evidence is very one-sided so far.

      • Shockadelica81 says:

        @Danish no bodyguard said anything. “Souces” claim that . Depp’s lawyer is only saying that Amber wants a premature settlement.

  40. Danish says:

    Like someone already pointed out, what is the purpose of these media “leaks” if no official police report is going to be filled by both parties? They care more about tarnising each others image infront of millions of strangers & media outlets(that dont care about neither party as long as this story sells their magazines & bring traffic to their website). If no one os going to prosecute the other for the alledge abuse then just divorce & move on

  41. isabelle says:

    TMZ is very far up Depp’s butt. Wonder how much money TMZ has paid out for these pro Depp sources? Perez Hilton of all people is more pro-amber than these dirtbags entertainment hacks. Amber probably is a hot head much like Depp, they probably had a very volatile marriage, still doesn’t mean Depp isn’t abusive or an out of control addict..and go People magazine for backing up those texts! When TMZ going to acknowledge the validity of the texts now they have been backed up by an forensic expert? Oh wait it will never happen because TMZ has probably paid a lot of money to get information and in no way will ever support Heard.

  42. Shockadelica81 says:

    She grabbed and struck her arm(wrong)but is it the same as being beaten by your husband for years and almost suffocated? I wonder what Taysa has to say about this? She’s not perfect but it doesn’t make her any less a victim. And Johnny isn’t claiming self defense anyway. Unless he will soon.

    • Liz says:

      Yeah, I think it looks more and more like team Depp might be aiming for the self defense angle. And I hope for Amber’s sake Tasya testifies in her defense if need be.

      • Shockadelica81 says:

        But in court his lawyer claimed that Amber is accusing him to gain a premature financial settlement. So now it my be a self-defense claim? IO has said that she’s seen the bruises many times and so have other friends. And if she has more proof of drug and alcohol abuse along with the physical abuse,her arrest for a misdemeanor has nothing to do with that.

  43. Cali says:

    TMZ has completely turned me off for good. And so has Johnny Depp.

    • Liz says:

      Same here, and I’d say Hollywood as a whole is repulsive. Regardless of Amber’s past the blatant smear campaign against her does NOT make JD look good in ANY way at all to any neutral observer who’s been following this since the beginning and only fools idiot fans of his.

    • kok says:

      TMZ has ALWAYS been a mouthpiece for the people who cuddle up to them. They are always pro-Kardashians because PMK has them wrapped around her little finger, along with all the other tabloids. The Kardashians stay in the news bc PMK knew you snuggle up to the outlets (or hold threats over their heads)…..and they report you in good light.

    • Shockadelica81 says:

      Yes! I used to love TMZ. Even with all of the nonstop Kardashian stories 🙄 But I’ve deleted the app/don’t go to the website and don’t miss those stories. I still look at the TMZ TV show though because it’s different than the website and funny. Levin and Wasser are clearly friends.

  44. OpenFlip says:

    I agree with the more balanced commentors.

    Clearly this was a ‘toxic’ relationship. But the more PR comes out the more it becomes clear nothing is black and white.

    I hope this is settled soon and both parties never interact again.

  45. kok says:

    The assistant lied about the doctoring of the texts, shocking!….and if he has to testify, he better prepare to face the penalty of perjury. Is it worth it, dude?

  46. Marianna says:

    If this is true, I’m angry. But at the same time, trouble attracts trouble. JD still abused her, for years. This recent news just makes me wonder if hollywood is as rotten as it seems. It seems to be made of broken people.

  47. Shockadelica81 says:

    This seems to me like an argument that was blown completely out of proportion by people at the airport who called 911. It didn’t say that Tasya called 911.This incident happened in front of people at an airport so I doubt this was some violent attack or she would’ve been in jail for real! And let’s just wait to hear what Tasya has to say about this and Amber’s lawyers.Meanwhile Harvey Levin is still doing favors for his BFF Laura Wasser.

    • Jellybean says:

      I disagree! I think that lashing out at your partner in public, enough to get arrested, is very worrying. If you lack control in that situation how are you going to behave during a private row or when you have had a drink or two?

      • Shockadelica81 says:

        True for some people/situations.But people argue all the time and it’s not always private. Nobody wants to argue in public but it happens everyday even if you didn’t start it.

      • Jellybean says:

        I meant lashing out physically. I have lost my temper a couple of times in public, but I didn’t hit anyone – exactly what you would expect from someone who has never been violent in private either. I have no idea how I would react if someone struck me, but there is no suggestion that Tasya started the violence and I doubt they were short of witnesses in an airport.

    • lilacflowers says:

      Sorry but it really bothers me when people downplay violence. There are all sorts of reasons why a DA won’t prosecute and first time offenders for domestic violence rarely spend time in jail beyond arraignment.

      • JaneS says:

        I wonder if the downplaying is because the idea that Amber herself might be complex and flawed herself doesn’t quite gel with the perfect victim narrative created.

  48. dippit says:

    If this ever has to play out in a jury-empannelled courtroom (Criminal or Civil – whatever jurisdiction), I don’t envy the Judge or lawyers trying to sift through in voir dire for partiality and undue media influence ahead of the case being called.

  49. Jessica says:

    I still believe Amber. But ..hello
    what Amber did to tasya is still abusive. People should not belittle it. That is belittling same sex relationship and tasya. Nobody would say it was probably just an argument blown out of proportion so carelessly if Amber was a man.

    • GoodNamesAllTaken says:

      I agree. I hate that people are using this as some kind of justification for what Johnny did, but you shouldn’t hit people. Period.

    • Luca76 says:

      Yup it’s so upsetting

    • Shockadelica81 says:

      I meant the people at the airport blew it out of proportion! Obviously they didn’t care about the same sex thing. She grabbed her arm and struck her that’s wrong and she was arrested. The case was dropped.And we still haven’t heard TASYA’S SIDE of this arrest. As far as Johnny’s defense, his lawyer is just saying that she wanted a premature financial settlement.

    • K2 says:

      I agree. Hitting people is wrong.

  50. jc126 says:

    The truth is that Amber would be believed by more people if she actually filed a police report.
    Some abused women are likewise abusers, often to their kids (I’ve met some kids like that). It’s nauseating, the cycle of violence.

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  52. Cirque28 says:

    This is a strange case. I believe Amber completely, but I do wonder what was in her mind when she began releasing info to the press. To be clear, I am NOT saying “keep abuse under wraps, omg it’s private” or any of that patriarchal nonsense. I just wonder about her thought process. She kept this quiet for years and then… not.

    It clearly isn’t a money grab. She is married to an incredibly wealthy man and is not going to get more money with these allegations. His team said she wants to “secure a premature financial resolution.” I don’t believe that for a second. If you were comfortable and not starving or dying and you knew you were coming into millions soon, would you rush it or wait and have it done properly? I’d wait. So if it isn’t that… is it a desire for justice? Is she just so fed up that she’s going to speak truth to power and to hell with the consequences for her career? (That seems highly possible.) Is it revenge? (I wouldn’t blame anyone for wanting revenge on someone who beat them up for years.) Did she hope to FINALLY get his attention and force him into rehab? She wouldn’t be the first abused person to long to have the partner they remember back and the relationship to (somehow) get repaired. Maybe a bit of all of the above?

    I differ from a lot of us on CB in that I think AH utterly adored Johnny. I looked through some pap shots of them and in every other one, she’s kissing him, smoothing his shirt, holding his hand, shepherding his kids, or gazing adoringly at him. I think this is the last thing she wanted, although I also hope that they’re both smart enough to stay away from each other from now on.

    • Shockadelica81 says:

      Completely agree! She’s not doing this for more money because this isn’t how you do it. And I do think she really did love him and this is her last chance to try and save his life.

    • mary simon says:

      Thoughtful summary. Maybe it’s a little of a lot of these reasons. She’s saying what she has to say on her way out and into her future life, whatever that will be.

    • Dangles says:

      Imagine this place if Johnny got drug free and they got back together.

      Wow. I think you just blew my mind.

  53. dee says:

    Amber was happier with Tasya. She didn’t look happy with Johnny.