Meghan McCain: The GOP doesn’t understand sex

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The more I hear from Meghan McCain, former Presidential candidate John McCain’s daughter, the more I like her. Meghan has been trying to help the Republican party move forward and become focused on solutions instead of clinging to absolute positions on abortion, sex, gay rights, and other issues that polarize our nation. In a new editorial on the Daily Beast, Meghan says that the GOP is completely out of touch when it comes to sex education.

In contrast, teen mother Bristol Palin, the daughter of VP candidate Sarah Palin, is a new advocate for abstinence-only sex education. We all know how well that worked out for Bristol, who had her first baby at 18. Meghan writes that by presenting abstinence as the only alternative, The GOP is doing a disservice to young people and to the party, which is increasingly becoming marginalized by its extreme positions:

Here’s what I’ve never understood about the party: its resistance to discussing better access to birth control. As a Republican, I am pro-life. But using birth control and having an abortion are not the same at all. Actually, the best way to prevent abortions is to educate people about birth control and make it widely and easily accessible. True, abstinence is the only way to fully prevent pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases. Still, the problem with abstinence-only education is that it does not make teenagers and young adults more knowledgeable about all the issues they face if or when they have sex—physically and emotionally.

The key, honestly, is communication between parents and children. At the end of the day, the worst thing parents can do is raise children who are not prepared for the situations they may encounter, especially when they’re not planned. (For anyone who remembers their teen years, you know what I mean.) Unfortunately, Republicans typically don’t like to discuss or deal with things they think are wrong or immoral. And that’s a huge mistake. If we can’t discuss birth control in addition to abstinence, and in a nonjudgmental way, kids will continue to make bad choices for lack of having access to informed, safe options. Not everyone shares the same beliefs, and more importantly, people don’t always react the same way to their circumstances.

Which is why it is so important to encourage honest, open communication about the realities of sex within the party at large, and more specifically, between parents and their children.

I have a 17-year-old sister who is not much older than I was when that reporter asked my father the hypothetical abortion question. I am the role model I want her to have: If or when she chooses to have sex is entirely up to her, but I want to be sure she knows being curious about sex is natural, and what is important is to be educated about safety. Perhaps the worst sexual double standard in politics right now is that too many subconsciously believe Republican women are void of sexual desire altogether, never mind its consequences. A friend of mine, whose father is also a conservative politician, used to joke it would be easier for her be a lesbian because then there would be no risk of getting pregnant and having a resulting scandal.

I have always found this joke incredibly sad—for both of us. Because the GOP continues to struggle with open communication about serious issues most people deal with rationally, and on a regular basis. Unless we learn how to integrate that kind of discussion, our party will continue its descent into irrelevance.

[From The Daily Beast via OK Magazine]

Meghan is right – we need open discussions in families and in politics in order to ensure that we understand all sides of an issue. The future for teenagers, and for the Republican party, is much brighter when all options are discussed calmly and rationally. It looks like we’re moving in that direction with this new administration. Hopefully more smart young people like Meghan will step up to represent the other side. Forget one note conservatives like Carrie Prejean who only grasp a single position on an issue. We don’t have to all agree, but Democracy works when both sides are willing to talk and compromise without shutting out the alternatives. We also have to consider the evidence – why continue to insist on abstinence only education when there’s absolutely no evidence that it’s effective?

Meghan McCain is shown on 3/28/09. Credit: WENN.com

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  1. Tia says:

    Meghan McCain is awesome, she needs to be the voice of the NEW GOP if they are smart, which of course they are not. Only 21% of americans are now admiting they are republicans.

    Newt and his generation are fading away. In the coming years, their generation will die away and these backward thinking neanderthals will be off the planet at last.
    The GOP wants a culture war, because they have lost everything. They cant win on the ecomony or healthcare or any other issue America has rejected them over. They have no ideas and no plans…all they have is NO
    When times get despearate, the GOP starts a culture war.
    Sad

  2. HEB says:

    I like her too

  3. Alaina says:

    The more I hear from Meghan McCain, former Presidential candidate John McCain’s daughter, the more I question her intelligence.

  4. Trillion says:

    Show me a culture with limited/no access to birth control and I’ll show you a culture with a very low standard of living.
    I’d bet there are a ton of republicans who are pro birth control, and even pro choice. But they’ve let their party go to the theocrats and ideologues and Meghan is trying to wrest it back to party of smaller government and fiscal conservativism. They’re lucky to have her becoming a “face” of the party. God knows, Ann Coulter and her ilk weren’t helping. Meghan doesn’t seem hate driven. It’s refreshing.

  5. Alaina says:

    Pro-life does not mean anti-birth control. It simply means that once the life is created it shouldn’t be destroyed. Is the Catholic church against birth control…yes. But I think a lot more Catholics are Democrats than Republicans at this point. It’s silly to think that this issue falls on party lines. As far as “abstinance only education” I wish there was a balance. In my sex ed class in high school we basically stared at slideshows of STDs and wore beer goggles to see what it’s like to be drunk. I think including a day (or even a part of a day) where a discussion on the social and physical pros and cons of abstinance wouldn’t be such a bad thing.

  6. video_slacker says:

    Alaina,
    I thought hers was a well thought-out and articulate response to the topic. Would you care to post a well thought-out, articulate reason that explains what makes you question her intelligence?
    Your last response seems to agree with her…

  7. Bodhi says:

    As a fire-breating liberal, I have to say that I like Meghan too. Trill is right, it is refreshing to here different takes on the issues from ration non-rage filled people

  8. Allie says:

    Word! I’m a Democrat, but I wish I got to talk to more Republicans like this – reasonable, rational, and capable of making good points and holding a civil discussion.

    Go Meghan!

  9. jane says:

    from what i understand meghan was an independent prior to her father running for office, which might explain her more liberal views at times. i think she’s pretty awesome sometimes.

  10. Courtney H says:

    Alaina:

    The last bit you said is exactly the problem. Yes, there should be at least a day in sex-ed classes to discuss abstinence. However, right now, there is ONLY abstinence-only education. If a state allows schools to teach about contraception, other than to emphasize their failure rates, they lose out on a significant portion of federal funding.

  11. czarina says:

    Her article was thoughtful and articulate and I certainly hope she plans to go into politics herself, as the voice of a new generation.
    I don’t understand what is wrong with teaching BOTH abstinance and birth control. Kids will make their own choices no matter what. At least allow them to make educated decisions.
    And never forget–schools are not parents (or shouldn’t be). Whatever the school is teaching, it is up to a child’s parent to talk to them about the emotions, morals, and consequences of their choices regarding sex.
    Parents who refuse to address the issue with their kids (either pretending that the kids won’t find out about sex if they never mention it, or because they are too embarassed to deal with it) are the ones who are leaving it to the rest of the world (friends, media, etc.) to give their kids examples and expectations about sex.

  12. Sometimes I get cynical and think the GOP is trying to increase the birth rate by teaching sexual ignorance. The WHITE birth rate, that is. Meghan breaks the GOP mold.

  13. bros says:

    and as another fire-breathing liberal, i have no criticism and snarky comments to say about an argument presented like that. reasonable, logical, non-divisive, non-judgemental, non-ideological. smart girl. too bad she keeps getting insulted by members of the republican party. they are allergic to well-thought out arguments.

  14. nanster says:

    The reason this country is so politically polarized is because both major parties have become so extreme. The only way we’re going to come together as a country is to have more plain talking, logical, and intelligent people around that appeal more to those of us who tend to fall “somewhere in the middle” in our political beliefs. Hopefully, Meghan McCain’s generation of republicans will stand up and take note. I like what Meghan had to say and I hope that she continues to say it.

  15. MeowMeow says:

    I’m Christian, and a Republican, and I am also pro-choice. That said, who in the name of hell decided Meghan McCain is our new spokesperson? I am really tired of hearing her opinion on everything. Doesn’t she have a blog she can rant on?

    I won’t vote for a candidate based solely on their stance on abortion, because that’s just not the most pressing thing this country is facing. No way is Roe v. Wade going to be overturned, so I wish everyone would quit bitching about it.

    The reason only 21% of people polled (and who conducted this poll? makes a difference) claim to be a Republican is because of moderates like McCain — Republicans have taken to calling themselves Conservatives to distance themselves from all the Republican idiots in Congress who have spent like drunk teenagers with a credit card in the past few years.

    I just don’t see what qualifies Meghan McCain to speak out about what she thinks the GOP needs to do. We need to stop running candidates like her father, for one thing. The press is enamoured with her because they love anyone who is connected to the GOP that will then turn around and criticize it.

  16. Rosanna says:

    Meghan McCain isn’t a Republican. She joined to party because she wanted to help her dad.
    I don’t like her as well as I don’t like Bristol Palin. Both are so famous because of their parents, otherwise nobody would listen to them.
    Whenever somebody explains the abstinence only stance in this way, s/he shows she didn’t get what’s behind it (they way Bristol Palin doesn’t!). It’s not a matter of feasibility or consequences.. it’s a matter of not using your body in a disrespectful way.

  17. dido1 says:

    I’m a democract, but I have to say that I LOVE Meghan. She is articulate, savvy and in touch. If I had an opportunity to vote for her, I would.

  18. Tia says:

    MeowMeow, you couldn’t be more wrong when you say only 21% of america claims they are republicans because of people like Meghan McCain.. are you serious?? Do you listen and read the news, and where have you been for the last 8 years. People don’t want to be associated with George Bush, Dick Cheney, Ann Coulter, Rick Savage, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, etc.. all evil, hate filled people who live in the ignaramous dark ages.. if the last election didn’t prove that to you then you are seriously messed up… you are now the minority. Your post is the way of the past, the world is changing for the better. THANK GOODNESS… that is why you say such harsh things.. that is what the GOP does..makes up lies to try and cause fighting and try to regain some type of something.. it isn’t going to happen..WELCOME to the new USA !!!!!

  19. Katharine Jaynes says:

    I believe there has been a visible demographic shift in America, represented by the new President’s inaugeration. We are all products of our society, and the culture in which we were raise. Social norms have changed drastically since the “Pleasantville” world of the 1950s that the baby boomers were raised in. In the media sexuality has become more explicit and with the internet more available to all American children.

    I agree with Meghan’s point. I feel that she represents the ideology of a younger generation, the groupe of just maturing young adults born in the 80s. Young people came out in huge numbers for Barak Obama, while among older generations McCain held even. I appreciate Meghan’s comments because it is nice to hear a conservative voice acknowledge reality for once… lol! sorry I couldn’t help myself!

  20. kiki says:

    rumor is when Elizabeth Hasslehack leaves for maternity leave on the VIEW Megan will take her chair.

  21. cherryblossom says:

    I actually agree with a republican…heaven help me. I can see this girl going very far, she’s got a good bit of logic in her.

    I believe that proper sex ed is important, because as we have all seen, pretending something doesn’t exist does not take it away. My high school’s sex ed class took just a one hour period and never actually touched grounds with sex. The result? We had a gonorrhea outbreak with teens as young as 14 and a good 40 girls in my graduating class had to waddle to the podium, and some others were craddling babies or even toddlers. Not the best route to take.

  22. really? says:

    That was so well put! Also love that she has a star tattoo on her foot, I have a moon on the same foot!

  23. Annie says:

    That said, who in the name of hell decided Meghan McCain is our new spokesperson?

    No one did. In fact, a lot of neo-cons can’t stand her. (Probably because she’s not screaming at people and shoving her vies down your throat…but that’s just my guess.)

    Also, you realize that her statements ARE on a blog right? That’s where CB got it from…

    I just don’t see what qualifies Meghan McCain to speak out about what she thinks the GOP needs to do.

    Just so I understand this correctly. You don’t think there’s anything that qualifies her to have an opinion….oh, but hey, when it’s Miss CA and we’re criticizing the way she chose to convey a message it’s “DON’T YOU TRY TO SILENCE HER! She has a right to an opinion!”

    Funny. So does Meghan.

  24. ! says:

    Bravo, Annie! I’m so sick of anyone who disagrees with Carrie Prejean being barked down by “free speech” claims. What, I don’t have free speech too?

  25. barneslr says:

    “…instead of clinging to absolute positions on abortion, sex, gay rights, and other issues that polarize our nation.”

    So it is only the people who disagree with the liberals that “polarize” the nation? Not the other way around. I don’t really care about sex or homosexuality since it’s none of my business what other consenting adults choose to do. But in my “polarizing” and “absolute position” abortion is, in fact, the murder of a child. In my opinion, it is the ones in favor of abortion that are the “polarizing” factor.

    I’ve always found it interesting that liberals are perfectly okay with a mother murdering her own unborn child (an innocent), but are opposed to the death penalty for people who commit heinous, horrible and evil crimes. Completely illogical.

    It is abundantly clear that this website is one-sided when it comes to the issues of the day.

  26. barneslr says:

    You are nuts, Annie. That beauty pageant contestant has been completely destroyed by the media for expressing an opinion. (Ever watch MSNBC? They went far, far beyond even disagreeing with her opinion and made incredibly hate-filled, evil and ugly statements that they should quite frankly be ashamed to ever have aired.) Sure, she said some very politically incorrect things, which we all know now is almost illegal-free speech is quickly becoming just a memory in the US. But the way she has been battered by the media, the hateful, evil and ugly things that have been said about her over and over and over again for simply stating her own personal opinion-no matter how wrong that opinion is-is way beyond the pale.

    And you think that someone has tried to silence the liberal response to her opinion? If you think that, then you really are nuts. The liberals have been having an absolute blast vilifying a 21 year old for nothing more than stating an opinion. She isn’t running for office or setting policy, or even trying to be a political pundit. She was asked a question, she answered it and since then the liberals have been in their glory.

  27. Annie says:

    since then the liberals have been in their glory.

    Actually, our issue is not with the statement she made, but with the way she said it and then the subsequent interviews she made thereafter. Then let’s not forget the mad hypocrisy as she touted “god’s will!”, using it as her little cover. “Oh people are persecuting me because I’m Christian!” STFU. Christians are the LEAST persecuted in this nation. Try being Muslim for a day.

    And last I checked, it wasn’t very “Christ-like” to parade around half-naked. Nor was it very “Christ-like” to be judgmental and go to all these churches and preaching hate and inequalities….nor is it very “christ-like” to make blatant lies. Shall I go on?

    Destroyed? You’re kidding right? She actually HAS a career now because of this. They’re saying she might be the newest addition to the View and you’re telling me they “destroyed” her? Looks like you’re the nuts one here.

    which we all know now is almost illegal-free speech is quickly becoming just a memory in the US

    Wow. Really? You really think that “free speech” is a memory? Have you even BEEN to a different country? She’s not getting stoned, she’s not getting indicted, she’s getting commentary. Just like all the other celebs.

    Do you not recall the Supreme Court decision that OKAYED a cross burning on the lawn of an African American family? That labeled THAT as free speech and said it was absolutely protected? They struck down a law that banned cross burning, labeling it unconstitutional EVEN THOUGH, Clarence Thomas (in his dissent) stated that: “cross burning has almost invariably meant lawlessness and understandably instills in its victims well-grounded fear of physical violence.”

    You’re gonna tell me free speech is dead because some people have decided to dissent against Prejean’s backward views?

    Nuts? Looks like someone’s riding the delusional bus….please pick up a book and stop allowing Fox News to be the basis of your “knowledge”. Kthnx.

  28. LondonParis says:

    I really like this article. Meghan wrote a great piece! I think that people across party lines can relate to the article, because there are people of all sorts who support abstinence-ONLY education.
    I’m very much a liberal and it just made me glow to read this.
    I don’t care what party you belong to- just don’t be a MORON!

  29. LondonParis says:

    barneslr: you can’t even muster up enough neutrality to get the POINT!

    and just wondering, when has there ever been a demonstration outside of a church or baby shower with signs that say “OVER POPULATION IS MURDER! GET RID OF THAT THING!”? i have to walk by protesters on my way to get BIRTH CONTROL on any random effing sunny day. GET REAL. these people need better things to do. sitting down with their kids and grandkids to give them information(and probably learning something themselves) is a better use of their time than harassing strangers that are having a hard enough time already.
    there has been a passion and rudeness shown by the conservative population about things like birth control and abortion. it is the mother’s right to choose. just like nobody should legislate what comes out of somebody’s mouth, the government has NO RIGHT to legislate what goes out of a uterus! and i don’t think i could ever have one after a stupid mistake, that’s me.

    you can’t (or won’t) even conceptualize any empathy or put yourself in anyone else’s shoes. it’s not people who disagree with liberals who are the “polarizing effect” in america. it’s people like YOU.

  30. Annie says:

    🙁 Unmod me please?

  31. Rachel says:

    I agree with Meghan that in assisting a pro-life position (one that I still hold passionately, with left leanings in other areas), we need to focus on availability of and education on birth control. My hope/concern remains that young people who are not ready for sex, or are waiting to have sex for personal or religious reasons, would also get the support, encouragement, and affirmation they need to uphold that choice. Adolescents/teens are driven not just by hormones but by the desire to conform, and I think it’s important, in trying not to uphold an unrealistic expectation (abstinence for all) not to instead encourage a new norm based on a worst case scenario.

  32. the original kate says:

    i want to see meghan mc cain in a show down with ann coulter. megan would use her beefy arms to snap ann in half like a twig.

  33. stewie says:

    to barneslr: I think what she meant by the “polarizing” comment is that the GOP knows that those are issues that their base feels strongly about and, when injected into a campaign, will energize them. It’s the ISSUES polarize the voters, not the stance of one side or another, she even says that it’s the issues – check the quote you included.

    and the GOP does seem to have an “absolute” position on them. As does the other side.

    “I’ve always found it interesting that liberals are perfectly okay with a mother murdering her own unborn child (an innocent), but are opposed to the death penalty for people who commit heinous, horrible and evil crimes.”

    don’t paint with such a broad stroke, either. yeah, I favor legal and safe abortions (outlaw them and you will drive women to unsafe ones) but I don’t think it should be used as birth control. but there are cases where I see it as a “necessary evil”.

    but here’s a shocker…I also do believe in the death penalty.

    and let’s clear this up…she is perfectly entitled to state her opinion. and others are perfectly entitled to rag on her for that. we do have free speech in this country, and with that comes responsibility. say whatever you want, but be prepared to take the fallout for what you DO say. say something politically incorrect that a LOT of people don’t agree with? and do it on a national stage? expect some strong reactions.

    I don’t agree that she’s been “destroyed” by the media for expressing her opinion. she sought out the spotlight, did many interviews WITH THE MEDIA after the pageant, and exposed herself to whatever might come. they’re not vilifying her for expressing her opinion, they’re vilifying her for her blatant hypocrisy on what she considers to be “moral”. Add that to the fact that she lied to pageant officials about the pics, then lied about the circumstances surrounding the pics and about her age IN the pics.

    and she IS trying to inject herself in to the political scene. why else would she play up to the media, on THIS topic, if she weren’t?

  34. Trillion says:

    Stewie: Like you, I’m one of those pro-abortion pro-capital punishment liberals. I don’t think that’s too uncommon, is it? I realize both of these things are highly imperfect but after lots of reading, soul-searching conversations, thinking, I remain in favor of both, within limitations.
    Annie: Bringin’ it!!

  35. barneslr says:

    “Have you even BEEN to a different country?”

    Actually, I was born in a different country and have traveled quite extensively.

  36. barneslr says:

    “it is the mother’s right to choose.”

    Unfortunately, that is the current law, which I fervently hope will eventually be overturned. My opinion is that the “choice” should be which type of birth control to use. In the event birth control fails, the choice should then be whether to keep the child or put it up for adoption. I just do not see murdering one’s own child as a valid “choice.” But again, that is my opinion, that is my right to have that opinion, and it is my right to work within the system (with my votes and other forms of legal, peaceable protest) to change the law.

  37. Raven says:

    I’m also strongly pro-choice, but have gotten to hate the republican party for a variety of reasons. Run by buffoons like George Bush and Karl Rove, it is a joke. Meghan McCain is a real breath of fresh air. I think she could eventually bring a lot of young people to her side, but the Christian conservatives would rather see the party fail than become moderate, just like they would rather see a woman get pregnant than use birth control.

    I heard that Barbara Walters was considering Carrie Prejean to replace EH, but she would be really smart to put Meghan on instead.

  38. stewie says:

    barneslr, what about women who become pregnant NOT by their own choosing?

    that is, what about women who become pregnant as a result of rape? in that case, they don’t really have a choice of what birth control to use.

    should she have to carry and bear the fruit of a horrible and violent act against her? I realize that the fetus/baby is an innocent but, in a case of rape, so is the mother.

  39. Annie says:

    I’ll be damned if the rights of an unborn fetus supersede mine.

    By taking away the right to choose, you’re telling the woman that her quality of life isn’t as important as a the fetus’s.

    And you know, somehow, I don’t believe that you HAVE been to another country as you so claim, otherwise, you would realize that our free speech here is much less regulated than in Iraq or China or numerous other countries. Of course, I don’t know you, and you don’t know me. But it seems to me that someone as supposedly “worldly” as yourself wouldn’t forget about all the countries that ban any kind of free thinking.

    And it’s interesting to me, that you have yet to truly comment on my STATEMENT OF FACT that completely ripped the rug from underneath your blanket statement of free speech being just a memory.

  40. Jacks says:

    Annie, you are amazing.

    Life is defined at conception by religion, not science, which is where the difference lies. To call something no larger than my fingernail a child is just asinine.

    By the way, are you enjoying chomping on your cow/chicken/turkey/pig/etc? In MY opinion, killing is killing is killing… would I have an abortion? Probably not, but that’s my decision the same way it’s my decision if I’m going to eat animals or support the death penalty. I’m sure you don’t agree that meat is murder, which just shows how subjective things can be and how morals are a personal issue, not public.

    The beauty of this country though is we have the freedom to live as we so choose. Don’t like abortion? Don’t have one. Better yet, if you feel so strongly, please, go adopt one of the many unwanted children in this country.

  41. Wresa says:

    I like her because she is clearly independent, even if her label is Republican. We could all take the middle road more often, myself included!

  42. bros says:

    annie is not amazing. annie is dead on and can make a rational argument, well thought out and she clearly has a grasp of the current issues and a basis in history when she speaks her mind. she’s running circles mentally around those of you who disagree. too bad you dont notice.

  43. dr_bambi says:

    Well, someone said the magic words of abortion being murder; now it’s my turn.

    I am pro choice, vehemently so, but for those who aren’t the best way to prevent abortion as said so many times before is through education and easy access to birth control.

    Outlawing abortion will not prevent them, it will simply drive the practice underground in the same way that drugs are illegal and yet widely available. Also as history has shown, those black market abortions tend to maim and/or kill the people that receive them.

    Seeing abortion as murder depends on when one thinks life begins. It is tiresome that others feel their view is the right one, and the rest are inconsequential. It is dangerous that that view also takes away the rights of half the population.

    The beauty of being pro choice is, while it gives one control over one’s body it doesn’t take away the rights of those with contrasting views. As an above poster said, if you’re anti abortion, don’t have one.

    The final oddity of liberalism: I believe in your right to be anti abortion, I will work to ensure you have free speech to share your views; but I will fight you tooth and nail to ensure that your beliefs do not impinge on my rights.

  44. aleach says:

    annie, i think i love you. you said everything i want to, but so much better than i could! 😉

  45. becca says:

    – Quoting and directing to dr bambi:
    “The final oddity of liberalism: I believe in your right to be anti abortion, I will work to ensure you have free speech to share your views; but I will fight you tooth and nail to ensure that your beliefs do not impinge on my rights.”

    A woman has the right to do with WHATEVER she wants with her body. Who the h*ll are you to tell her otherwise?

    And that’s absolutely true: A person’s beliefs SHOULD NOT impinge on the rights of others. It sounds like you’re saying this is a bad thing, which I find mind-boggling.

    As far as Meghan McCain: After reading what she has to say here, I’m curious to see what her other social policies are.

  46. Hieronymus Grexx says:

    Meghan McCain: The GOP doesn’t understand sex

    Sure they do, when it’s a foot tap code to get an anonymous BJ from a total strange in an airport bathroom, they know all about it !!

    http: // http://www .cnn. com /2007/ POLITICS /08/ 28/ craig. arrest/

  47. dr_bambi says:

    Becca, allow me to clarify as you don’t seem to have understood me.

    My post was meant to convey that I will fight “tooth and nail” to ensure that a woman can and always has the freedom to do as she pleases.

    My biggest nightmare is the possibility of someone else’s beliefs being turned into law.

    I am a hardcore liberal, and as pro choice as one can be. Part of my understanding of liberalism is my fervent regard for freedom of speech. I work to ensure everyone has access to it, even when they have things to say with which I disagree. I also do what I can to keep religion and law as separate as possible.

    Hieronymus Grexx, I *love* your name, and the sentiments you expressed.

  48. genevieve says:

    Barnslr: “I’ve always found it interesting that liberals are perfectly okay with a mother murdering her own unborn child (an innocent), but are opposed to the death penalty for people who commit heinous, horrible and evil crimes. Completely illogical.”

    Let’s turn that statement around, shall we?
    “…that conservatives are not okay with a [woman having an abortion on a collection of cells which would not live outside of the womb], but are okay with [murdering a human being–who has family, a ‘soul’, life experience, and can feel pain, fear, and other human emotions out of revenge/cold blood].”

    Seriously. Hello Mr. Pot, this is Ms. Kettle calling you to let you know something important…

  49. Hieronymus Grexx says:

    I’ve always found it interesting that liberals are perfectly okay with a mother murdering her own unborn child (an innocent), but are opposed to the death penalty for people who commit heinous, horrible and evil crimes.

    Another misconception about to destroyed forever; I favor the d*eath penalty and wish it would be carried out more quickly in cases of truly heinous crimes. I often dream of how much better the world would have turned out if Mrs. Bush would have visited a doctor’s office once for 60 minutes.

  50. Hieronymus Grexx says:

    Onto the topic of Miss McCain; I’m not buying it- she’s the kinder, hipper ‘new’ face of the GOP, just another shill hiding their dirty work.

  51. Ophelia says:

    I’ve an idea for a drinking game. Drink a shot every time barneslr foams at the mouth and angrily types “liberals” on here.

    Oh and on the subject of conflicting ideals, why is it that repubs are so indignant that abortion is “murder” and killing a human life yet they are pro-death penalty. The *death* penalty is undoubtedly killing a person.

  52. gaya_pink says:

    its really awesome to look at!!!
    but some unfavourable things are quiet commom