Did Angelina Jolie totally blind side Brad Pitt? Many people think she did, and the biggest piece of evidence is that there was no joint-statement announcing their divorce, no dual plea for privacy. In fact, it took hours for Brad Pitt to issue a solo statement after TMZ’s exclusive had been sitting out there for some-odd three or four hours. Here’s Brad’s solo statement:
“I am very saddened by this, but what matters most now is the well being of our kids. I kindly ask the press to give them the space they deserve during this challenging time.”
That is very, very interesting. What’s most interesting is what is NOT included. Still nothing from Brad and Angelina together. Nothing about hoping to resolve this quickly and quietly. It might be that Brad was just as shellshocked as everybody else when the TMZ alert popped up. I wonder how long it will take for Brad and his team to put a strategy into place? Lainey’s sources say that Angelina really did surprise him with the divorce filing, that even though they’d been having a bad year, he didn’t think she’d pull the trigger on a divorce. I believe that.
As for the now-steady drumbeat of carefully worded accusations against Brad… it’s something about the kids. It’s something about Brad doing something to the kids, possibly while high and/or drunk. It’s about anger towards the kids. It’s about some specific event that went down more than a week ago that changed everything. It’s about how Brad and Angelina have different parenting styles. Any or all of these options. People Magazine tried to explain:
A source close to the situation told PEOPLE, “Both Brad and Angelina care very much about their kids and there is sadness on both sides.”
The couple was last spotted together in mid-July, just ahead of their second wedding anniversary – though the insider told PEOPLE Pitt has escaped to France “many time this year because they were fighting.”
“The divorce is a complete shock,” a source close to the couple told PEOPLE. “They have definitely spent more time apart this year, but it’s still a shock. They just celebrated their wedding anniversary together.”
They sometimes clashed over issues of raising their children, the source says.
“They always had disagreements when it came to disciplining the kids,” according to the source. “With all the kids, it did tend to get chaotic many times.” Pitt “has always been stricter,” the source adds – claiming The Big Short-star “wanted the kids to have more structure” and “was more about having rules.” While the source said he never used any kind of physical discipline, Pitt was known to “get frustrated sometimes and yell at the kids.”
That parenting style was different than Jolie’s.
“Angelina always had a more relaxed attitude when it came to the kids. She definitely never yells,” according to the source.
Does a woman file for divorce just because the father of her children yells at one of the kids? I don’t know. Every one of these sources seems to be talking around this game-changer moment that happened this month. While I have some terrible theories about what the game-changer moment could be, it feels gross to speculate. Plus, I’m pretty sure sources-close-to-Angelina will tell us at some point.
Oh, and for what it’s worth, “sources” are now slapping back at the claims that Brad is a drunk rage monster. Sources tell TMZ that it’s a “malicious lie” that Brad has anger issues, booze issues and pot issues. Sources say Brad is “a loving and devoted father who has never and would never put his children in any dangerous situation.”
TMZ also has a new story up about how Brad is absolutely going to fight for joint custody of the kids, and while he knows Angelina is a good mom, she’s not going to “take his kids away.” His side also insists that he’s “never” put the kids in danger.
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I really don’t know who to believe
Me too Lora, I can’t decide. I feel empty 🙁
It’s always “sources” and I tend to take anything a “source” says with a grain of salt.
Same. This seems SO out-of-character for what we know of Angelina and how she handles her private affairs. The lack of a joint statement from both of them really leads me to believe this is BAD, like scorched earth bad.
In all her interviews,she always said what a great dad he’s been to the kids. So this is new, the in store video can of them at juice store shows them hugging n laughing,not one person around d them to be for show. Celebrated wedding in Aug, all good. What ever happened has to do imp over yes that has accumulated to a real problem that could not be ignored, some final straw. They are in love but sadly whatever happened, Jolie put kids 1st. Who knows,this could have been to scare him straight,I think they’ll be back together, those kids are their lives and they love being a family. Sad. More sad that I don’t even know them n I’m sad,wth?
Agree 100% This is the opposite of how I figured this would go down.
My best guess is in accorabdance with Lainey’s theory on Angelina wanting to establish residency in the UK in order to pursue political ambitions. In that case, she would want full physical custody, and thus make this about the children. I hate to believe she is so calculating that she would publicly imply he is a bad father solely for her own purposes.
So far I believe neither. AJ’s statement is a carefully worded PR statement. It will shake out and unfortunately it will be the worst for their kids
Same. Although, I believe he is a man-child.
Absolutely. A man-child who refuses to get his s**t together and act like a grown-up. It would explain a number of things — how he has been acting like a free agent for months now, running off to Europe to watch car races, hanging out on movie sets drinking and drugging and maybe banging Cotillard or some other women and meanwhile completely neglecting Angie and the kids. I think while they were on that “romantic getaway”, Angie put her foot down and said enough is enough, get your s**t together or I’m outa here, and when she realized he had no intention of shaping up, she said later for this crap and did what she felt she had to do. She has six children to raise and she doesn’t need to be chained to an overgrown frat boy who refuses to grow up.
I wouldn’t believe anyone just yet. They haven’t really said anything; its all wild speculation and hype. Pitt may be all the things that she alludes to in the Divorce statement, but she isn’t a saint either. A spouse with a personality disorder can be just as difficult to live with as one with anger and substance abuse issues.
Wow Va Va as her therapist who diagnosed her and all, should you be telling her business on gossip site?
I remember her speaking about it many years ago, otherwise no I certainly wouldn’t. As someone with a history of mental illness myself I wasn’t trying to arm chair diagnose or out her, I honestly thought she’d been open about it. I’m trying to find the article I originally read. If I can’t than I unreservedly admit I was wrong and will not post such things in the future without first verifying my source.
She discussed it herself around the time “Girl, Interrupted” came out. I’ve always wondered how she can now be this “put together” following that diagnosis. It’s a hell of a disorder and very difficult to treat. You can appear okay in public, but struggle at home. Both my mom and my MIL have personality disorders and it’s torture for the person & family, depending on the severity.
My heart goes out to their whole family no matter what’s going on. I hope the children get lots of support from both of their parents and professionals.
Angelina was diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder in the early 1990s.
http://www.medhealthdaily.com/celebrities-with-borderline-personality-disorder/
Va Va, I agree with you, & said so yesterday. I think she’s a malignant narcissist who has been very adept at hiding what she really is, even from Brad, for a long time. She planned this announcement to inflict terrible damage to Brad’s reputation….that is sociopathic. I don’t buy her Saint Jolie work, either. It’s a mask, a role. She is an actress, after all.
As far as I am aware she has never come out as having BPD, a couple of articles state she was diagnosed with “presumptive BPD” after she checked herself into a psych facility. The diagnosis could very well be incorrect, depression mixed with her “wild” phase could have been misinterpreted, and it is fairly well documented that women are over-diagnosed with BPD, which would explain her ability to grow out of it and move on from those episodes.
I’m leaning toward more on Brad’s side. I’m sure he did something that made her bolt. However, I don’t buy the story that he’s irresponsible. Other than being a cheater, all the things I’ve read about him was he was a good stand up guy.
If people remember her when she first started, that girl definitely has a wild side (writing Johnny Lee Miller’s name with her blood on her wedding shirt, cheating on Johnny with Jenny Shimizu, breaking up the Dern/Thornton relationship,Brad & Jennifer etc.). She starts doing some humanitarian stuff and all of a sudden she’s a saint?
There is more to the story than that. I’m sorry the kids have to go through it but I’m sure the narrative would be glorious for the gossip sites.
I’m sorry I can’t backup my statement with the original article, at least not the one that is written as I remembered it with quotes from Angelina herself. Everything mentioned above is consistent with what I remember, but I personally can’t provide the source.
Uhg. My mother has BPD and it manifests itself in a way where she has an extreme fear of being abandoned…yet she treats everyone like shit and drives them away. Nothing is every good enough…nothing you help her with “counts” unless it is VERY inconvenient for you..etc. She is just mean.
It is a horrible issue to deal with.
And she won’t admit she has the issue, so she has never gotten treatment.
I’ve had to keep my distance and keep my kids away from her, even though she is only a few miles away (and lives in a house we own).
Sadly, now she is dying of lung cancer (and strokes) and doesn’t have the energy to be mean or even communicate much. Which means now, as she is dying, she is much easier to get along with….
People overlook the obvious: These people are professional ACTORS, folks. Actors pretty much overwhelmingly fake and con their way into the public’s hearts even if they’re only moderately, Steve Buscemi-level successful. Ever wonder why so few ever really stay together; love only each other for years and years (such as Billy Crystal and Henry Winkler and their respective spouses, last I checked, only their wives aren’t really considered famous); and nurture healthy, happy, good kids who may or may not enter the entertainment industry? Martin and Janet Sheen, even with their wild child Charlie roaming about, have three fine kids and seem to have enjoyed a great marriage since 1961. Why I love Paul Newman and Joanne is because of their honesty. Paul Newman always reminded people that he had left his first wife and his first family to be with Joanne, so their relationship would always only be, at the very most, an intensely bittersweet one, especially after Paul’s only son overdosed circa 1978. Paul blamed himself for his son’s death. Joanne let it be known she drank way too much because she deeply resented sacrificing HER A-List career to become the full-time Mrs. Paul Newman while accepting full responsibility that it had been her decision (just not one she liked very much at certain times in her life). Like Paul wisely reiterated, hey, paradise in this life comes at a price, no matter who you are or what you achieve.
Wow, I honestly never knew she had BPD. This puts a whole new spin on things. God those poor kids. Brad is the emotionally stable parent here, and I hope the judges will be able to put a stop to her trying to jettison him from their lives. Growing up with BPD mom, it scarred me for life. Thank God my Dad has always been there for me, as much as she tried to turn us against him.
The article sourced here is speculation only. If you can’t find a credible source, you’re just spreading assumptions.
Same. Angelina is clearly very upset but it really does hurt the kids to do this publicly rather than trying to settle it behind closed doors.
Part of me believes she wants custody largely so she can continue to travel and live globally. Maybe brad objected and she’s willing to fight for that lifestyle.
I can totally see her being a malignant narcissist also. She is a master of manipulating the media. She is gorgeous, and it’s wonderful the attention she’s brought to refugees, but I’ve never believed the whole “Saint Angelina” image she’s tried so hard to do since she’s had kids. She lied about the affair with her and Brad after denying it and then saying how great it was her kids saw a movie where their parents fell in love. What about her heroin use? There’s been allegations she still uses some form of opioids. After all those surgeries she would need some form of pain medicine. And she is skeletal thin. It’s worrying for someone with her history of cutting and drug use. I think she’s pissed he cheated and possibly got Marion pregnant and she’s throwing him under the bus. It destroys her image to be the woman cheated on vs the one cheating with.
Well, maybe he missed back to school day and she got upset and wants him out. As in her mind he doesn’t have the best interest of kids in mind.
Also – I always thought she has been extremely possessive of their kids. Even though all munchkins are his too – just it never felt this way and now we can see how she’s going to achieve what she wants.
I honestly think she’s had a change of heart over a very silly thing and yeah that’s that.
I’m having a hard time to digesting why she married him if he’s this rage and booze-hound. She’s been with him for more than a decade. It’s hard to believe that his character could change so much that he’s now a danger to his kids but never was before. The other theory is that he’s been this way for years, and she just now had the courage to leave. Who knows?
WTW….as someone who has dealt with a person with substance abuse problems, let me assure you, that they can build gradually…an alcoholic can start off just having a couple of drinks after work, and then sometime later a few more, until eventually waking up in the morning and needing a drink to get the day started…and this progression, in my personal story, took years to get that bad….so maybe he wasn’t a rage and booze hound when they were first together….he may not be now, I don’t know….haven’t seen any signs of it, as we did in Johnny Depp, looking horrible, bloated, slurring his words…..
One morning they’re normal, the next they’re filing on you and leaking innuendo to the media. I think you have it backwards. He’s a doofus but she’s the one with the history of bizarre behavior. He’s a serial monogamist.
I don’t either. I was just starting to really believe in St Angie and now I am confused again.
I came here only to say… I wonder how many Brad/Angie articles will get in the future two weeks, probably ten per day! Gossip bonanza lol
And not surprised he will fight for joint custody.
He won’t have to. This is California. SHE’LL have to fight for sole custody.
I’m just going to sit back with my stash and alcohol and watch this shit unfold.
I need to know what happened. Somebody needs to Law & Order this shit out.
No one but them will ever really know.
DUN DUN *scene change*
I feel dumb caring, but then the other side of me is like a child in an over-sized trench coat pretending to be a dedicated detective.
Watch out, V4Real. I heard that marijuana leads to aggressive and violent behavior and even causes divorce.
And here I was worried about the munchies..so much riskier than I ever could have imagined.
Slightly OT but have you heard of the suppositories that help with mentrual cramps? AMAZING. I have such bad endometriosis they are pretty much godsend.
But they DID send my uterus into a crazy whacked out ragey mess so…
This feels like watching a bad scary movie, or a bad cringe worthy movie where I can only watch through parted fingers and it feels almost like watching a car wreck.
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Oh Geez Kitten. They are absolutely right about weed making you aggressive. I noticed when I smoke it my appetite becomes very aggressive. I become a bit more aggressive with sleeping. And sometimes that back pain I get aggressively disappears. I also aggressively relax while smoking it. So bring on the Loud, it’s time to get aggressive.
YES Little Darling! My friend (a classic “oversharer” and queen of TMI) posted a link about it on FB and I was like GET IN MY VAGINA (speaking of TMI lol)
….but seriously, those sound AMAZING.
@V4Real-LOL I also get a bit aggressive with the Netflix streaming, I won’t lie.
It does look like he was blindsided but something must have happening,
Angelina would go this ballistic for cheating and putting his kids in this horrible media circus.
I am sad as i like both and loved them together
As I mentioned in another thread I am surprised people think she would be okay with open marriage. She absolutely resents her father for cheating on her mother. I was pretty wild as a teenager and in my early twenties and now I am married I would never ever cheat or have an open marriage.
Whether she would go ballistic on Brad for cheating I am not sure but it could be she is affected by her ovaries being removed? I just had my period which is so minor in comparison to that and man I was really hormonal and b**** to my loved ones. Who knows.
And yet she was the “other woman” or cheater in several of her relationships (Johnny Lee Miller, Billy Bob Thornton, Brad Pitt). Hypocrite much?
A new report on Page Six says that Brad was totally blindsided because he still loves Angie and wants them to work their problems out. (Big question: does Angie still love him?)
I think he may still love Angie, but I also think he wants to be free to run around and have fun as if he was still free and unmarried, and Angie isn’t having it. I have a feeling that during that romantic vacation they went on a couple of months ago, she handed him an ultimatum: get your sh*t together or I’m outa here. I think she finally realized he has no intention of shaping up any time soon and she just can’t deal with his immaturity any more. It could have been a relatively minor incident that made her snap.
Brad has never been the kind of guy to be on his own. He is always in a relationship. He won’t be alone for long. Past is prelude.
She’s not taking the kids away, she’s letting him have visitation. If he really endangered the kids, why would she even grant that? She clearly wants the upper hand but at the same time she is not denying him access or only offering supervised visits. I think the media is blowing this “Brad has a problem” out of proportion based only on hints.
The most sensible comments I have read since
Yes, and also about the sexual abuse thing. It got me really angry, people are really f*cking reaching. “The timing can’t be a coincidence”, well maybe it is. How can people let go of their imagination and create scenarios that are extremely harmful to other people? I’m not a prude, but have some shame!
That was seriously gross. I hope everyone has dropped that line of thinking.
“She’s not taking the kids away, she’s letting him have visitation.”
First of all, Angelina doesn’t get to LET him have anything. Their custody issues will be sorted out legally. She made her request Brad only be granted visitation, and a judge will likely decide if her request deserves any consideration. Angelina is not the one in control here. Her wants do not rule the day.
Second, limiting the access of a father she has, until now, praised as nothing but kind and loving and engaged to occasional visitation IS tantamount to taking his kids away.
“First of all, Angelina doesn’t get to LET him have anything”
ITA. I thought that comment was a bit off too.
It was always going yo be messy because of the kids, that was their reason for being together.
Of course. By saying “let” I only meant that she’s indicated she doesn’t want to cut him out completely, which made me think he didn’t really do anything terrible or neglectful to the kids. Next time I will try to more precise with my words. 🙂
And I’m still not sure if she’s taking them away. She might want them to technically reside with her but if Brad has visitation I assume he could see them as much as he’d like. I don’t know how these legal arrangements work but maybe he’s ok with that too.
Eh, the tone of these brief statement don’t give me the sense that her door will be wide open.
@Goats, right on.
I don’t think she is trying to take the kids away. I do think it can be easier for younger kids to live in one home and not have to go back and forth every week. And I think she may also be interested in keeping all the kids living together. Granted the older kids like Maddox and Pax may be able to have more input on who they want to live with and whether they want to go back and forth.
Yeah, except these kids have NEVER lived in just one home. They’ve globetrotted since they were born. Sometimes some of the kids were on set with mom while dad took the others.
Not a fan of these guys at all. She IS trying to take the kids away by wanting him to only have ‘visitation rights’… Those kids are taken care of by a nanny anyways…. I doubt they really do much except take the kids out once in awhile . Best people to tell the truth would be the nannies … if one of them would step up, not be afraid to tell the truth or lose her job … .
I believe (but of course this is an opinion as is everyone else’s) since she wants a divorce and wants the kids , its time to throw him under the bus.
It’s Back To School time. Maybe his “normal school” request for his kids got shot down again? Maybe he wants them to start being grounded and have some roots? And maybe a dog? Homework? A schedule? They have at least 1 teenager, he knows what that means, trouble. W/O discipline, a teenage boy will be Wild. Maybe it’s already started? And she shoots down his call for discipline? Those kids need a normal existence. Not a “Bed built for 9”. I have always wondered how all of that affected them. This kinda shows how it all imploded. Something happened with their oldest child, IMO. Maddox was HERs originally. Adopted by Pitt. So, she’s , no doubt, super protective of him.
I didn’t realize she had the power to decide how often he sees his kids.She made a request.I believe the teens will have a say in terms of visitation/custody.
I’m not sure about the adopted kids (who their legal guardian/father is) but when it comes to the three they had together, unless there is abuse, she has NO RIGHT TO ‘ALLOW’ HIM VISITATION. He’s as much of a part of their lives as she is. They should have joint custody. And as for blaming him for putting them in this media circus, the fact that she’s filing for sole custody and splashing it in the tabs puts the blame on her. She’s the one making it ugly and messy. Unless I see proof that Brad abused or neglected any of the kids or even Angelina, I’m team Brad. WTF is it with these mom’s who try to pit their kids against their dads.
Brad Pitt is the legal parent to all of the children.
I believe that Brad did adopt Maddox, Pax and Zara(sp?), so I think legally he has a right to them.
“Letting him have visitation”? Wow. How nice of Angie.
Even though Brad adopted the older kids (and Angelina seemed to welcome that) I would not be surprised if, deep down, she continued to think of them as “her” kids. And, even though Brad is the bio dad for the other three, the “my kids” feeling likely carries over to them, too. So I would not be surprised if the sole physical custody part of her petition is based more on a feeling of possessiveness (SHE adopted the older 3, SHE birthed the younger 3) than on any actual wrongdoing on Brad’s part.
Unfortunately, getting divorced means having to share time with the kids. But they’ve really been doing that all along, often different kids are with different parents in different parts of the world. It shouldn’t be as much of a shocker to her as to someone used to being with all the kids all the tine.
I agree, and honestly her passive aggressive statements given by her lawyer and management team seem far more detrimental to the children than Brad’s statement. Just get the feeling this is not what it seems or what is presented.
Oh, but don’t you know? Angelina is a manipulative, drug-addicted, mentally ill b**** so of course she would do that to poor Brad. Now he will never see the kids again!
*eye roll* Because that’s always how these things work.
The kids are not getting taken away. Her request for custody has to be approved by a judge. They haven’t been in court yet so the decision hasn’t been made. But it’s fine. Hate her anyway. We don’t even know what happened yet.
And fyi, it’ll probably still go joint custody for both, unless Brad is proven to be unfit in court.
As a mom, I completely understand the desire for sole physical custody, no matter what the dad’s done or not done. Who wants to see their kids only half the time? Especially if you’re a hands-on parent, and you’re the one who started the family in the first place, when you were a single woman? Those are HER KIDS. I mean no disrespect to point out that this may be her thought process. It’s normal. It’s maternal. It sucks for the kids, because it’s also selfish and alienating of the other parent. But I would feel exactly the same way if going through a divorce. Those are MY KIDS. I made them. I brought them into the world. I get it. And I think it’s highly possible, even probable, that Brad has done nothing to harm the children in any way. She’s done with him, but she wants to see her kids every day, and she’s going a bit Mama Bear. It happens.
“Letting him”? He’s their father. She doesn’t get to allow or disallow him access to his children.
Celebitichy
He doesnt deny the pot or alcohol , the source only denied the anger
I was going to point that out too. I also read an account somewhere by a lawyer which said that pot use was very unlikely to be considered relevant in a Californian custody cases unless linked with abuse or neglect. It is possible that Jolie has become evangelical on the subject in recent years, it would make sense considering her past, her recent medical issues and her growing involvement in politics.
I can’t see pot being a reason to divorce someone either? I mean maybe if he did let one of the kids try it without Angelina’s knowledge or permission…? Sure I’d be mad at hubby, but I wouldn’t divorce him! Great time for a family meeting and a teachable moment?
Marijuana is essentially legal in California–we have medical marijuana and there’s a ballot initiative to make it completely legal that’s being voted on in November and will definitely pass. So smoking up, even if you do it every day, isn’t a factor at all in custody cases.
I’m totally straight edge, meaning I don’t even drink. I’ve never had substance abuse problems, I’m just not interested in marijuana or alcohol or other drugs. That said, even I wouldn’t even divorce my husband for smoking pot. I assume something more serious has happened. I did date someone who smoked pot and drank, and this person did have a temper, so I’m surprised at everyone on here saying that there’s no way someone who drinks/smokes could have anger problems. I beg to differ. If you remember some of the things Jolie said about “By the Sea,” how she cries after fighting with Brad, it kind of sounded like he could be abusive.
You don’t have to become evangelical about pot use to get tired of a spouse that is constantly stoned. To put it bluntly, they get kind of dull to interact with, and they (in my experience) are not exactly raring to go in the sack. And you get tired of them always looking kind of bleary and out of it. It could just be a situation of she grew up, he didn’t, like Daily Mail is basically saying, and she is realizing that this is not a good example for the kids.
@WTW – Alcohol and Weed affect people differently. I am completely straight laced, now. I did have a substance abuse problem in my late teens (sober 15 years and counting). Personally speaking, though I do not smoke weed, I don’t have issues with those that do. I’ve lived in CA for 15 years (moved here to get sober), and in Mendocino County for a good 6 years (Emerald Triangle – largest marijuana producing area in the United States) with 5 out of 7 people I knew either smoked it, or grew it to supplement their incomes. That included individuals that were 55+ in age. In all those people I came across, not one that smoked weed only, had any violent tendencies. Not saying they can’t, but saying that I haven’t been privy to someone whom was, and that’s hundreds to low 1000’s of people I have met that do so. However, the individuals that I know that smoke and drink, I have seen go from docile to aggressive when under the influence. To me, alcohol is the deciding factor that can cause the raging. Hell, I’ve personally experienced it with my Uncle and my son’s father. Both when drunk went from the nicest people in the world, to the cruelest, most verbally abusive douches you have ever seen. So my opinion is, is weed by itself doesn’t cause aggression what-so-ever. However, it could potentially have adverse affects if mixed with another substance, depending on the person.
If you’ve never been in a relationship with a wake and bake stoner, then you don’t know how awful it can be. It is a mind and mood altering substance, no matter how benign our culture wants it to be. It’s expensive. It kills motivation. It makes the breath stink like poo. Not just after smoking but when he’s breathing in your face during sex. You just smell that dank poo breath. Constant smoking causes phlegm and cough, so the throat clearing and coughing is annoying. Pot smokers tend to binge eat after smoking, so they can be prone to weight gain. Why would a habit that drains money and time, makes a person lazy and emotionally numb, makes them chubby and stinks up their breath hurt a relationship? All of these things happened in my long term relationship with a chronic stoner.
I think Brad was blindsided….by his comment “i am very saddened by this”….makes it sound like he was as surprised as the rest of us….
Apparently only found out a day before she filed.
I think he was blindsided too. My guess is that Jolie was planning this for the last six months. Secretly meeting with Wasser to get her cards in order and strategizing with her PR team. I don’t believe that an incident that happened within the last several weeks caused her to just up and blindside Brad. Even if it did happen, she could have chosen to keep things quiet and deal with a separation privately. Pitt obviously made her very angry this year (probably several incidents), and Jolie wanted to end things abruptly without giving Pitt any time to talk to her to work things out. I’m guessing Jolie has been done with this marriage for a while and Pitt thought they were just going through a rough patch.
I don’t know about that. I’m sure Wasser would have left a meeting with Satan himself to take Angie’s call. The only higher profile divorce in existence would be Barack and Michelle. I read her filing. My husband’s summary dissolution from his first wife (married less than two years, no kids) was longer and more complicated and detailed than Jolie-Pitt’s filing. Wasser could have written and filed those papers while shaving her legs they’re so basic.
This is one of those situations where you just have to hope for what is best for the kids, because she could be manipulating the situation because she feels a certain way about him and wants to raise the children the way she wants to ( isn’t she known for cutting people out of her life?) or he really did do something and she feels that he needs to stay away. This is really tricky and sad.
When all this broke yesterday, I was texting my husband asking what Brad could have done to make Angie think visitation only was appropriate. My husband (an attorney) gently reminded me to wait for the facts, that we are only hearing her side right now. He said you cannot imagine how many times he’s seen women (and occasionally men) fabricate or exaggerate claims to ensure their own time, access, and influence with their children isn’t damaged in a divorce. I’m not saying that’s what Angelina is doing. Both sides deserve to have their cases heard. But if it is what she’s doing, she wouldn’t be the first.
GOTR, you seem very well informed.
What do you think about Angie hiring Wasser then? I mean, she was able to get Depp through his divorce unscathed (with his ex wife painted as a liar), will Wasser support or make Angie win through unsustainable lies in court?
It’s just curiosity, I’m totally ignorant about US civil law system.
@silverunicorn
Wasser was Jolie’s attorney years before she was Depp’s attorney. The only connection is the fact that they were both clients.
(Honestly, throughout Amber’s fight, I was secretly hoping Angie would cut ties with Wasser for that awful campaign to discredit an abuse victim.)
Hi @GOTR, I agree with your husband that we need to wait for all the facts. But also as an attorney (and armchair psychologist), I don’t think Angelina is the type to use her kids as pawns in a divorce. She doesn’t strike me as vindictive, and I doubt she’d put her need for revenge before her kids’ well-being. I think she has all the power in this situation. Women who lie and try to manipulate the situation often times feel powerless.
Also, I don’t think Brad cheating is what caused her to file for divorce. She’s a very secure, sexual being, I’d bet they had some sort of arrangement. It definitely has something to do with her kids. She loves her kids more than anything.
I really, really hope this isn’t what she is doing because any form of parental alienation will damage the kids the most. My sense is that the divorce is about lifestyle and parenting style issues. Although I have no doubt that they both love their kids very much, from what I have heard about her parenting style, it sounds pretty dysfunctional. Kids NEED structure, rules and boundaries for helathy emotional development. Tons of research out there to support this and she is wrong if she believes otherwise.
And if the marriage is over in her mind, there’s no way I see her sending her brood off for a few days with dad. Her identity seems to be all about being their mom and I don’t think she could deal. I also totally buy her being a very permissive parent from what I’ve read and if Brad wasn’t on board with that, I’ll bet it caused some ugly chaos.
Does the Lawyer Goat think much of the issues would be covered by a pre-nup, anyway?
I bet Taylor Swift is already trying to workout how to insert herself into this situation.
She would like to be excluded from this narrative.
Bratay will be May December relationship to end all others. Just think, instead of having to read tabloids to keep up with the triangle (octagon?), we can catch it all in her music catalogue.
I was actually just thinking her and Tom are probably thankful to have people loose interest in that story and to have the scrutiny move to someone else
I love Angelina. I think she is thoughtful, amazing and radiant. But wow, is this divorce being played out in a completely awful way or what? She/her team keeps making these vague accusations at Brad which are meant to prompt us to speculate and that is so messed up for the kids. You know this ish is going to play out for many, many weeks to come and it’s just going to be tabloid guessing games after another when at the end of the day, no one will ever really know what happened last week except for Brad and Angie. Poor babies.
She basically did the same thing with Billy Bob. Made a lot of vague and off the record accusations about his behavior, and cut his ties with Maddox. Of course in that case it was easier to believe what she was putting out there, and it always seemed like she adopted Maddox while totally ignoring his wishes so it made sense he was ok with her continuing to go it alone. But it does suggest a pattern, and a few years later they were close friends again so he can’t have been that awful.
So i was a child when Angie was going through her “wikd child” phase. I’ve no idea what happened between her and Billy Bob other than the vials of blood they wore around their necks. Maybe she really is just a spiteful person and very much lives in the moment. Hence, getting angry is an insanely explosive affair. Whatever it is, how this divorce is playing out is making me see her in a new light. I thought at this stage of her life, she would be past all of what she used to be. Especially because of the humanitarian work she does and the image she now projects. Guess not?
GMAFB If Billy Bob wanted to see Maddox he could have.
Wasser repped her then, too.
Billy Bob could see him but on her terms? Thats what she is pushing for with Brad too with visitation rather than custody. Pepper may have a point on her pattern.
Yeah Pepper you are totally right people forget that Jolie was able to cut BBT completely out of Maddox’s life and they had a pretty ugly divorce. They’ve since become friends and I’ll bet the same will happen down the line with these two but Angie doesn’t play around. She is going to win her terms in the divorce no question.
I don’t think he particularly wanted access to Maddox, that’s not what I was saying.
She brought a child into their marriage then left shortly after making sure she retained sole custody. Most people would want the child’s other parent to be involved in some way, even if they’re not perfect, but she wanted him completely cut out. Now I don’t think Billy Bob ever actually wanted to adopt a child and I think she knew that the whole time, but that just makes it clearer that her preference is to be the one in control of the parenting, because no one who wanted to truly parent together with their partner would adopt in that situation.
Brad and Angelina have both talked about how she alone organizes the children’s schedules even when they’re somewhere with him, and I’d bet she does the hiring of staff and choosing of schools and activities too. Joint custody would mean half the time she would have very little say so long as Brad was making choices the court found acceptable. She may the kind of personality who just can’t accept that.
You’re absolutely right. We forget about the mess that was that divorce because they’ve become friendly again since, but I do think this is her M.O.
Here’s the thing BBT did get a tattoo of Maddox and he was gushing about him in the beginning and I do think he was ok with her adopting him. What I don’t think he was ok with was making any changes to his lifestyle to accommodate a child. (He has several other kids and I don’t get the impression he’s been a steady presence in any but the youngest kids life). I think since BBTs end of the adoption wasn’t completed he bowed out rather then fight for custody.
This makes me think of the whole Amber situation – the first reaction on the gossip sites was negative, how she filed just days after his mom passed away, how he is a nice guy overall, etc. and then we learned all the horrible things he did behind closed doors. I am NOT saying that’s what Brad did, but I have a lot of respect and admiration for Angie. For her to come out swinging like this, I do believe that something drastic involving the kids did happen. And no, just because they have nannies doesn’t mean something terrible didn’t take place. After all, JD and Amber have a lot of staff too – that didn’t stop him from being an abusive jerk. Without knowing more, I think Angie (who has always been very good at keeping their private lives private) had a damn good reason for proceeding like this. I really feel sad, I thought they were going to go the distance.
Maybe Angie found out Brad is a closeted Trump supporter.
This is the first comment about the entire situation that has made me laugh hysterically.
That would be funny. Especially since Angie is distantly related to Hillary Clinton.
Now that IS abusive!
LMAO. I think her father supports Trumploonie, so that was the final straw LOL
Definitely grounds for divorce, lol. Seriously, if my husband came out in support of him I don’t know what I would do!
LOOOOL
It all makes perfect sense, now.
I’m really sorry that their children have to go through all this. As someone who’s been through parents getting a divorce, it’s traumatic enough having your family structure pulled apart and having to put up with your parents slagging one another off and trying to get you on their side despite. Having to go through all that AND see it played out for the world is traumatising. Most of them aren’t even teenagers yet.
I feel the same as you. Those poor kids
Okay, I can’t stand it. I’m gonna say something terrible. Are we really sorry though? I am the first hypocrite here, believe me. We all keep saying that, ” poor kids, we are so sad!” Yet here we are eating it all up. And I’m right here too. I just can’t stand my own hypocrisy right now I guess. Are we really that sorry? Or are we more loving our gossip gift. I mean, let’s be honest. The kids might very well be ok. Kids everywhere have it worse at this moment, much worse. I just….one minute it’s absolute ludicrous irrational pedophile accusations that don’t even make sense cause everyone is so hyped on adrenaline and the next we are so sorry. Gossip is….weird. It’s a divorce and it sucks but SO FAR we don’t really know that Brad did anything horrendous. We just don’t. Maybe Angie is playing tough because she’s angry and wants the most custody she can get. And that’s it. It’s just a shitty divorce. Not a freakin nuclear war. Sorry. Rant over.
Fair point to being hypocrites because this is like gossip christmas come early – but I absolutely hate it when people say ‘divorce is not a big deal kids go through that all over the world and it could be worse’. As someone who’s been through my family breaking up, it’s devastating, and worse when your family has always been close. I hate this whole let’s compare pain and oh I guess your pain is not so bad it’s just a divorce not a nuclear war. If you’ve ever gone through something, maybe you won’t be so unempathetic.
I’m tapping out on this one. It’s like Gossip Olympics, but somehow it just feels icky – maybe it’s because there are 6 kids involved here.
Me too. I’m getting tummy rumblings from all the gross speculation about Marion and people linking Brad to Corey Haim.
I’m also disappointed in Angelina at how she’s letting this play out in the media. Whatever he may have done, he’s still those children’s father.
Who is linking Brad Pitt to Corey Haim?
I can see a scenario when the drunken/drug situation got to be too much. From personal experience when the kids find their dad drunk and naked sleeping on the bathroom floor, enough is enough.
Theory: she wants sole custody to take the kids and live out of the country, say England or France and she knew brad would never agree to that. So to get full custody she neeeed to go on the attack because she say what happened with Halle Berry? I don’t know
I thought that too yesterday. Strategically filing for physical (where they live) but not legal (what decisions are made for them regarding schooling religion and medical) makes me think she might just want the ultimate say in where they live and their day to day.
Yes, I posted this theory yesterday. Otherwise, I find it hard to believe she’d be airing their dirty laundry so publicly, and in a manner that is clearly harmful to the children. She’s going nuclear in order to gain sole physical custody. She might genuinely have something on him (I’m inclined to think so) but she also is clearly enraged, and probably not just about his parenting, to smear him like this.
I always knew that if they split up, the logistics of where to live with the kids and how both parents can have access would be a nightmare. And sorry but Jolie is the one who travels the most, she would need a gaggle of nannies to keep up with her lifestyle. She said herself she would be sad if the kids would ask to stay in one place and how they are used to travelling and adapting. Pitt usually followed and shared in the duties but I’m not sure how any judge would rule custody in her favour unless she uses her friends in high places?
All of this just shows how much she likes things her way tbh
She already has a gaggle of nannies/teachers/cook/maid/security personnel that travel with them to the newest location to live on set. The costs must be massive. Plus having to provide lodging for them.
True but they used to have that system where 1 parent stays home and the other works. Now if the kids stay home with Jolie and she’s working, there will be no dad and vice versa. It will only be staff. And while she makes good money with acting, she doesn’t want to do that anymore + her directing career is not stellar or quite the money-maker. You can only make 1 film/year anyway. Her political career is not about making money so how will she afford that lifestyle when Pitt is the breadwinner and much more successful in producing and acting?
I hate to bring her into this, because I agree with everyone who thinks she’s obnoxious, but I’m now remembering that Chelsea Handler once said that Pitt couldn’t leave Jolie, because she’d up and take the kids god knows where. I always wonder how long dirt circulates in Hollywood inner circles before becoming public.
I don’t think bringing Handler into this helps your argument, given her pro-JA obsession and her racist remarks about the Jolie-Pitt kids.
I don’t like Handler either, but she may have had some inside dirt is my only point.
I don’t see what that has to do with the comment, notasugarhere. She has a point. Maybe she had some inside dirt, who knows.
Interesting….This actually would make the most sense I think. But still…sad to think she would feel forced to come out so aggressively.
Or maybe her “inside dirt” is just her continuing to attack Jolie openly as she always has, including racist remarks about innocent children. Doesn’t mean she knows anything.
This fits with the theory I posted on the other thread that she wants to be in the UK/ HoL with her hand in humanitarian policy and she is looking at larger world problems, while he is myopically living a materialistic and hedonistic lifestyle that she has grown to despise.
Correct. She wants to move to England. This is her strategy to make it happen.
Once their film bombed last December I knew that would be the end of the marriage. Didn’t Angie write and direct that bomb? It ruined their brad.
It might be, a bit like Kelly Rutherford’s case
As if Brad would admit his problems even if they were true.
Of course he’s fighting for joint custody. To not would basically be admitting he did something wrong.
Court filings/decisions about the “incident” will prove or disprove Angie’s story.
I did think the same. If he did have drug and alcohol problems, why would admit them? Who DOES admit to those problems without wanting or getting help? Not saying he does. We really don’t know. After the Depp thing, I am less likely to pick either side.
That being said, I would hope he would want joint custody. I feel like that’s what they will end up with in some form by the end of this.
Until more information comes to light it’s impossible to know her motivation or how he’s really behaved. Maybe he smokes some pot to unwind after the kids go to bed, maybe he’s johnny depp disfunctional. Maybe she’s scared for her kids, maybe his lifestyle doesn’t gel with her political aspirations and she wants to win the PR divorce war. No one really knows at this point.
You are a voice of reason in the darkness.
I’m always telling people that about myself and they are always laughing at me for it, so.
No one knows, yet the speculation is rampant.
Some real nasty speculation too.
My guess something happened with Maddox, Pax or Shiloh.
I think one of the boys talked back to him, as teen boys do and he probably physically disciplined him and or cursed them out.Some parents believe in that.I don’t.My parents never laid a hand on me or ever cursed at me in a fit of anger.If this has happened before after he has been drinking or smoking weed I could see this being the straw.As in this behavior is unacceptable in regard to disciplining our kids.
In August 2009 Brad told Bill Maher he gave up marijuana because he is a parent.I wonder when he started smoking again since he hasn’t denied smoking marijuana.
Lastly I have heavy drinkers and marijuana users in my family,I have never heard any of them admit to it being an “issue”.I also only have one uncle who has admitted he has “anger management” problems and he only admitted after being forced by the court to go to classes.
Again, if it was a single incident and AJ was committed to the marriage, why would she run out and file for divorce? Most people would at least try to work it out first…which leads me to think this isn’t what happened.
And yet she is alluding to it as an “incident.” We can assume this one incident was the final straw after a series of problems, but it wasn’t necessarily.
Father-son stuff can get pretty intense during the teen years and if she’s this mama bear everyone claims she is, then I could see a marriage-ending schism.
Still pretty messed up to end a marriage and take away their father over, imo. But as the child of divorced parents I tend to think divorce should only be a last resort after physical or extreme mental abuse. Destroying your children’s lives because you’re not “happy” is the height of ugly selfishness andif a person can’t put their children first, why are they parents? No, your children don’t care about your “happiness” and whatever other nonsense you use to justify your selfish actions. They deserve to have both parents and not be dragged from pillar to post and deal with step monsters and animosity and the million other damaging things that come from divorce. Sorry for the rant but that’s how it is. I can’t imagine it will be too awful for these kids though, they have nothing remotely resembling a normal life so they may be ok. My heart goes out to them regardless and I wish them nothing but the best.
Yes, father-son stuff can get intense, but ultimately that’s normal. So either Angie is wayyyyyyy overreacting to something or something well beyond “normal” happened.
I agree with you guys. I see her having a zero-tolerance approach to that, thus maybe this knee-jerk reaction. Family therapy, STAT, in a situation like that. But highly unlikely considering their circumstances. I hate to see those kids basically lose their dad if it wasn’t truly warranted.
It depends on the kids’ personalities. I’ve had people tell me that they wished their parents would get divorced because while there was no mental or physical abuse, they were clearly unhappy with each other. The lack of affection between their parents bothered them, seemingly. But yes, I agree in general that if separation would distress the child, then the parents should reconsider.
I honestly don’t know what to believe yet in this mess regarding reasons for divorce, but I do agree with the part of Brad’s statement that says that going about things this way cannot possibly be what’s best for the kids. I just don’t see how it could be. If she was requesting complete total custody, then okay, safety, I get it, but considering what she’s proposing, these vague statements followed by anonymous ‘sources’ planting tidbits but still pretty vague, regardless of if they are true, just seems unneccessary and ultimately damaging to me.
I’m sure they will have joint custody of their kids: he’ll have a joint and she’ll have custody.
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I think its hard for two people to keep pace with each other, year after year, for a lifetime. People change so much, and women have more life changing experiences than men. We have children. Giving birth can be one of those things that’s life threatening, and changes your view on everything. Angelina has had a brush with mortality recently.
I think if you’re raised with long-suffering parents, you have a different expectation of marriage than someone raised with divorced parents. Angelina is clearly willing to pull the trigger. But I bet she maybe underestimated the fight she might have over custody. She’s had a couple divorces and remained friendly with her exes. But that’s less likely the case when the dispute is over children.
Yep. I’m a child of divorce and my parents divorce wasn’t particularly acrimonious, but I’ll do anything and everything it takes to not get a divorce. It damages children and ruins their view of relationships. Why bother, everyone is disposable and you don’t have to work anything out, just leave! And usually over dumb and selfish reasons like “I’m not haaaappy”. Happiness is a choice and maybe you should put the happiness of your children first? It’s almost never better divorced either, unless there was abuse. But it’s not like anyone thinks about their kids when divorcing, it’s their own selfishness and desire to see if the grass really is greener. It isn’t.
Yeah right, let’s stay all together even if it’s proved the children are having issues with that. Silly assumption, sorry.
And my view on relationships only got better in my 40ies, after 35 years of abuse from my father.
“I’ll do anything and everything it takes to not get a divorce.” My mum was one of those too and she never thought the abuse on us was important because she wasn’t actually abused herself.
You’ve no idea how guilty she feels now because we were put under enormous strain because of her ‘not divorcing’.
Sorry you feel that way but I would have taken a non-acrimonious divorce when I was 5 that having my life nearly destroyed for ‘not divorcing’.
Nobody marries for life nowadays because staying married is actually hard work; in some cases it pays off (in mine it’s paying off), in others it doesn’t and it’s better to recognise it and go separate ways.
I can legit believe he was blindsided, this whole thing is so messy.
Jolie has always been a master PR manipulator–this isn’t meant to be insulting, rather, kudos to her–that said, she knew what she was doing when ‘sources’ dropped the reason for the divorce AND I’m side eyeing the hell out of her for it.
By putting out the whole dependence/anger issues, she’s intentionally subjecting her children to a level of speculation they shouldn’t have to endure–I can’t stand that, she’s too good to not know this would happen.
We had folks yesterday jumping to place him as the kingpin of a of a pedo ring for Christ’s sake 😒 I don’t give a damn about Pitt, but damn, even I’m balking at how quick people are to assume the worst.
I hope they can resolve this quickly (we can forgo amicably given her timing), if there are dependence issues, I hope help is recieved–either way, those kids are the real victims in all this.
This. Within a matter of hours, her sources threw everything but the kitchen sink at him—drugs, alcohol, bad parenting techniques, anger issues, sleeping with hookers, midlife crisis, superficial Hollywood party boy … am I leaving anything out? There was no need to play this out in public, not with six kids. Now that it’s out there, all these allegations had better damn well be true because you don’t do that to a person, you don’t engage in character assassination out of spite.
Who says her people put out the stories in some tabloids? Was he responsible for all the tabloid stories about her over the years?Tabloids make up sh##.There are stories about him screwing the nanny,Selena Gomez,Russian hookers,etc
If you believe she is responsible for the tabloid rumors about him than he is responsible for the tabloid and gossip site rumors about her.I just read yesterday she has herpes so I guess Brad’s people put that out.#SARCASM
@Colette
LMAO. Ditto to everything you wrote!
Tiddlesplit is nothing anymore.
Right? Silly child’s play.
Wow, this turned ugly almost immediately. I never thought AJ and BP would end up in a nasty custody battle like this.
I know the Marion story is gaining traction, but my gut reaction on reading the statement was some sort of physical abuse towards one of the kids while high or drunk –or doing something that put one of all of them in danger.
Brad is fighting back. I read an article this morning that pointed out Angelina’s heavy drinking and problems with food (i.e. not eating any).
Maybe drove them somewhere while drunk/high? I don’t know. Speculating. Although getting another woman pregnant while AJ cannot have any more babies physically (and she did say at one point she would have liked to have more natural AND adopted babies) would be too close to By The Sea – but it would be something that affected the entire family. Hmmmm
this is my thought too, he was probably impaired and drove a kid or some kids somewhere and she found out. this whole situation makes me sad, they have so much to lose
I have always thought AJ was beautiful but a bit messed up. Being so public about this to me sounds like a vendeta. I mean let’s be honest, she’s done some crazy s**t in her time. I don’t see how weed and booze can be a thing. I’m in the affair camp. He cheated and she wants revenge.
Damn. Why is this whole thing going so left so fast????
Re: yelling at the kids. I am always shocked and appalled when Mr. Phaedra yells at the kids. I can’t believe he can’t control his temper.
Then again, Mr. Phaedra is always shocked and appalled at me when I yell at the kids. He can’t believe I can’t control my temper.
Sometimes moral superiority just comes down to who stepped on a Lego in bare feet, and who did not.
That’s why it’s so nice to “tap out” when you lose it, right? Moral superiority definitely comes and goes according to who has had the most coffee.
This.
And damn, lego HURTS 🙂 🙂
If divorce was caused by yelling at the kids in my house I’d have been divorced about 500,000 times now. Each day whilst trying to get them out the door for school for a start.
You get it!
Seriously, I really feel like a parent who NEVER yells is either an absentee parent, who does not have to deal with the daily grind and can afford to be nothing but permissive and kind in a few minutes a day s/he spends with kids or a major enabler who’s probably raising some very spoiled kids (which we will soon find out, I suppose, since their older kids are teenagers and will no doubt discover their passion for modeling and acting any minute now).
I’m sure there are a few exceptions to my rule, and there are some hands-on Moms who NEVER yell out there, but they are just that – exceptions. Raising kids is hard and stressful, and I’d expect that only a select few have either the temperament or the self-control to always be calm and collected.
About a decade ago, I was staying with the sons of good friends for a 5-day weekend. I am childless by choice. I had always been close to the boys (then 12 and 9), and figured we’d have a great time. Backstory, my father was a yeller and I always swore (at the time) to myself I would never yell at my or anyone’s kids. So, about 18 hours in, the older had terrorized the younger repeatedly, because, well, babysitter. I reasoned with him, I pleaded, I threatened. But I didn’t yell. Until about hour 36 at which time I hit volumes I didn’t know I had. And, not one more incident the entire weekend. So, fast forward a few months, and said friends go out of town for a romantic weekend, so Aunt Honeybee to the rescue. The FIRST time older when after younger, I found that volume immediately. We had a LOVELY weekend thereafter. Boy did I learn an important lesson about kids and volume.
Interesting insight @honeybee blues. I think the problem is when people just automatically start yelling without that escalation of methods (first reasoning, placing restrictions, time-outs, etc.). Immediately yelling at some kids may irreparably damage your relationship with them, because some kids are sensitive and easily reasoned with. Other kids need to have boundaries communicated more firmly and apparently need the verbal cue of increased volume. I think it’s fine as long as other strategies are tried first, because who knows at the outset how sensitive and reasonable that particular child is. Sometimes they just need a gentle reminder about appropriate behaviour and boundaries.
I just cringed with muscle memory/pain at that feeling- even a decade later, the arch never forgets a lego!
I have screamed at my kids when I walked on lego in the dark…that and the little playmobil people with their swords…..
Here’s the thing, she’s really pissed at him for something. How she’s going about this is very Halle Berry-esque. This is a man she’s praised for the longest about being a wonderful father and now he’s an alcoholic anger filled monster? If she had respect for the marriage or her kids why couldn’t she do this privately to protect them? This is devious to defame him in the public eye. I can’t see him not agreeing to custody and divorce terms in private. She wants him to look bad and that says a lot about the entire situation.
And sorry but kids having structure is extremely important. Otherwise you wind up with self entitled brats. Especially kids whom have grown up with money and luxury they need more structure then most. And I yell at my kids all the time. I don’t know any parent who doesn’t. If you don’t kudos to you for having the patience of a saint.
I agree Jezi. This says pissed off woman to me too. For him to go from “Father of The Year” to alcoholic, drugged up, rage monster in a blink makes no sense. It’s very public, and a I’m going to hit first thing to me.
Its just so calculating to me. She’s always come across as a very controlling person when it came to the kids and their lifestyle and Brad has always been the type to mold himself around the women he’s with at that moment. If he is this horrible person that she claims he is then I hope he gets help but it’s very shady.
This is what i see too.
And she has a history of painting her adversaries as the worst as she moves on.
Later she makes up with them, but at the moment of leaving, it’s scorch earth policy.
Yes. I remember Billy Bob was an uncaring a-hole for not wanting to fulfill the adoption obligations. It may not have been something he wanted at the time. They were both very odd and he seemed to enjoy the fly by the seat of your pants relationship they had going on. He most likely didn’t want the responsibility of being a parent and I think she did. She surely did make him look like a piece of garbage during all of that.
My theory: Brad tried to drag poor Pax to another formula one event against his will and Angelina was all “Enough!” She then loaded the kids into her caddy and went searching the streets of LA for another giant teddy bear to join the clan, all the while contemplating her next move. After a stop at McDonalds for chicken mcnuggets and the gas station for bags of cheetos she called her lawyer. Formula One was the straw that broke the camel’s back…
In all seriousness, though, I wouldn’t be surprised if Brad has alcohol issues. I remember reading how Inglorious Bastards came to be and it involved at least 5 bottles of wine shared with his boy Quentin and likely some other party favors. Something like they woke up on the floor and were like, “yeah, let’s do this thing.” I get he isn’t stumbling out of clubs, and that is one incident, but I still wouldn’t be surprised if he is a drinker. He goes through periods too in which he has some alcohol bloat… But if Angie really loved him, and he her, I think they could work it out. Also, I wouldn’t be surprised if Brad has a side piece. Who knows, but it is going to be an interesting ride. I wonder if Ben and Jen are now going to file so they can get some tabloid action. They have been sitting on it but now no one is going to care about their weird “this is a modern family” separation.
WHY would anyone need a side piece when married to AJ????
I mean, I get it: looks aren’t everything, maybe she’s cold, maybe she’s lost her sex drive, maybe she no longer loves him and he can feel it, and a million other “maybe-s”, but then just divorce? It’s not like they are too poor to buy 2 homes in the same neighborhood or something.
@Timbuktu-Totally. And yes, we both know infidelity isn’t about looks but when I was talking to my friend yesterday I blurted out “Who the f*ck cheats on Angelina Jolie??”I couldn’t help it…and yes, I think she is one of the most beautiful women alive.
Additionally she is interesting, complicated, driven, dedicated, philanthropic, caring, and on and on..
But we never know the dynamics and what happens between two people behind closed doors.
IF Brad had an affair then only he knows why.
I was really hoping that she tried to intervene and he wasn’t having it, so this is like a wake up call for him, but that he’ll get the chance to help himself and they will work it out and stay together.
I still hope. I can’t quite explain why but I’m pretty upset this is happening. maybe because 6 kids, maybe because I adore her, and I want them to be ok 🙁
I think they have a very passionate relationship. This type of relationship often times comes with a lot of drama. Add kids, clash of personalities, work, etc to the mix….it’s tiring at some point. They both seems to hold on for as long as they can because I think they genuinely care and love each other. Not just because of lust or whatever people love to said about their relationship.
It’s funny how some people always said Jolie would not let go of Pitt for fear it could ruin her perfect family image or because of their brand is too profitable. It’s the third marriage. She goes by her heart, people.
She is the type that has a very sensitive heart although seems cold from the outside. As a couple they might felt disappointed many times to each other for various reasons. She might take each fight deep into her heart. Jolie seems to signed up to this relationship at the beginning because she felt— from all the guy that she met—Pitt seems like the perfect man to be the father of their children. But maybe, over the years, her expectation of Pitt as a perfect father did not match up with the reality. She might have an idea of what a perfect father should be as she herself has Voight as a father. ( Let me tell you something from years of marriage, though. No such thing as a perfect parents. 😅). They would fight, made up, fight again. Over and over for years. I’m sure there’s other issues, too straining their relationship.
Fighting is normal in any relationship but perhaps it gets too much for them to continue staying together. Since she is financially independent, she might decided she could not take it anymore and prefer a divorce before they hurt each other feeling more further and become resentful even when they’re in front of their children. I said this since my parents are like this. They resent each other thanks to years of hurting each other feelings and couldn’t get a divorce. A toxic relationship between the parents is not healthy for a family. Maybe that’s why she’s wording it like that? Not that Pitt is a danger to their kids.
My take for the custody? Her kids are her world. She wants them to be close to her wherever she goes.
I’m curious, though what did Pitt do that makes her decided to do the divorce this way? As @original kay said, Pitt perhaps has some habit that she doesn’t approve and after she tried to intervene without any success for many times, she decided to do this as a wake up call for him to get his sh*t together. Something recently might triggered her decision to do it this way. Who knows. I hope they can stay in a good term.
her kids will eventually do what Madonna’s son did to her, if that’s the case. Building your identity and only source of security around children who need to grow up and live for themselves is just bad for everyone.
Its is his right to ask for joint custody. He has the same rights as the mother of his kids.
Its amusing to read that his parenting skills are a part of the reason to divorce. Bitch has praised his quality as a father in EVERY interview. She doesn’t strike me as a healthy person, physically and mentally, if he is a pothead she loves her white powder too. The pupils don’t lie.
Yeah, her track record of gushing over his parenting doesn’t play well right now. I think both of them have mucho dirt on each other, hard to see how this will end well. Poor kids.
Well if they are both druggies as you suggest than the state should take custody of the kids.
Oh man, this is going to be nasty (and likely in a Depp-Heard divorce way).
For someone who aims at being classy, she’s handling this pretty bad.
You know how back in the day a good ole shirt grab under the collar and a shake would be enough to kind of scare a bad kid into behaving correctly without actually hurting them?
Teenagers can be VERY shirt grabby obnoxious, but for someone who is not used to that would see that as over exerting force on a child.
Also, she might practice Non Voilent Communication with her kids, which is basically no punishing, Lots of discussions, lots of “I see you’re” or “I’m noticing” to the children about corrective behaviors. If Angleina is practicing that and Brad is more hard core Catholic then right there is a huge difference of styles.
But wouldn’t that be something they both knew before having 6 kids together? I never understand the people who split up over parenting. Don’t you talk these things out first??
Brad said he stopped using marijuana in 2009,apparently he is using it in 2016.Maybe they also agreed to not physically discipline the kids and in 2016 he did.
Sometimes you can’t guage how you’ll react in a certain situation with your kids. Especially teenagers.
But yeah, like, the kids are older, what damage could he do if we assume he parents along the normal lines?
Sh!t gets real and real scary when the kids become mouthy teenagers.
Because, for many things, you really don’t know how you are going to feel before you’ve got the kids and the thing happens.
Amen to that, Sixer.
I personally feel physically disciplining ,spanking a child is unacceptable.Violence,including spanking is a deal breaker.I am not married but I stopped dating a man after he mentioned he spanked his child.I realize I am in the minority.
Spanking is considered by mainstream pediatricians and child psychologist to be an unacceptable form of discipline, being physically abusive as well as ineffective. Ineffective in that while the child might seem to become immediately obedient, it backfires over the long-term and teaches only that violence is an acceptable way to resolve differences or respond to misbehavior. Many parents spank out of anger, not as a form of discipline. The line can be very unclear and it’s easier to go over it. Parents who say they don’t hurt the child when spanking – then why are they doing it? That was the point of spanking, to cause pain. It’s a cute old-fashioned word, spanking, but what means is hitting someone smaller and less powerful than yourself. The body part doesn’t matter, bottoms have nerve endings and the experience is humiliating.
Colette, people who smoke marijuana are interesting that way. When you smoke it, it must do something to your sense of smell because they operate under the delusional idea (much like closet cigarette smokers) that no one can smell that shit on their person from a mile away. They also operate under the delusion that their kids can’t tell they are chemically altered (a delusion that drinkers often have as well). Which is kind of insulting to the intelligence of their children, when you think about it-
That is the kind of thing that could eventually drive me to divorce.
I wouldn’t spank a child. I’ve never spanked mine and neither has Mr Sixer. However, sometimes spankings occur in the heat of the moment even by parents who don’t approve of spanking. Never underestimate parental panic. It happens and, ultimately, it isn’t the end of the world. On the other hand, I disapprove heartily of what I would call corporal punishment in cold blood, where the parent is neither panicking nor in a flash of temper due to a situation.
I don’t yell either. I’m just not a yelling person in that way. Groundings and other similar sanctions are also very rare in my household.
Most discipline/correcting of children chez Sixer is done through humour. Mr Sixer and I also resolve arguments between ourselves through humour. A bit of mickey-taking seems to sort out most things hereabouts. It works for us, but some people might think mocking a child is cruel and something they would never do. I can understand that.
Different strokes for different folks, I guess.
Blind gossip has an item that speculates Marion is pregnant and he could be the father. That might explain the suddenness of the filing and the anger.
Ok, Shiloh is ten now. The same age as my daughter. Pre-puberty / puberty kicking in. I’m all for be whomever she wants to be, but I wonder if something was said to / about her.
This has me thinking about something David Fincher said about Brad. That he was more like Tyler Dresden than the public thinks. That is why I always thought that Brad and AJ made sense. We all know she was the brains of the couple, but they made sense. I totally believe he did not see this coming, when AJ is done, she is done.
Ohh that Tyler Durden comparison is really interesting!
Fincher seems to say stuff like that about his actors a lot. He said the same about Ben and his Gone Girl character. I think its just directorspeak. I think he is saying that he helps actors find the character within themselves.
Naya: I’m in Hollywood and I direct.
Be quiet please. You don’t live or work here, you’ve never helmed a picture, and you’re not a director so you cannot speak to what “directorspeak” is. What even is that? Do we all “speak” alike?
And yes, some of us do read the gossip columns. Google Walt Winchell. It’s never changed. Some of us in the know are actually kind of curious if anyone in Bambiland is going to figure out why Ms. Jolie worded and did things as she did. A couple of you are getting close.
You are not at all. Don’t speak for my craft.
Thank you,
A Director
@NYer is Correct- All the eyeroll emojis for you.
I remember Brad saying he’s a miserable sob and he’s a loner, who knows the situation. I’m going to wait and see. No more comments from me until I hear something from Angelina’s or Brads mouth.
I remember that comment because Brad described himself very differently than the persona that he puts forth to the public. I don’t know…I don’t want this to be bad. I like Brad Pitt.
The kids are 8, 10, 11, 12 & 15. They will be able to read about the details online. This started with a bang and will just keep growing. The filing for solo custody set so much speculation into motion. It’s sad and will likely get worse.
What details? From sources?
There are thousands of negative stories about their family online from “sources”.
Neither Brad or Angelina has released a statement saying the other is horrible.She asked for solo custody,she did not say in the court papers anything about alcohol,weed,anger,Russian hookers,Marion,herpes,screwing the nanny,etc
Exactly Colette. I think lots of people are believing their own speculation.
Unless he did something criminal I really don’t understand why she went publicly with the divorce like this. Why didn’t they tried to solve this quietly so they could protect their kids is beyond me. She even filed it in the beginning of the week, so she clearly want people to pay attention and see Brad as the bad guy. This is really horrible for their kids who will be victims of media vultures:/
This is what I can’t deal with. Wasser has said repeatedly that see advises people on when to file and this must be an attempt to get her accusations as much publicity as she can. Then there is the fact that he didn’t know it was going to happen. If he did something bad they could still have sat down and thrashed out an agreement prior to filing and, if he was stalling, she could have given him a cut off date. This is all kinds of bad for those kids and unnecessary, whatever happened.
I guess that for fans and non fans, most would expect them to end things in the same way they sort of carried themselves. They only shared what they wanted to and kept the rest to themselves. This level of dishing is what I expect from low level celebs. And it makes me look at Paltrow and her Coldplay guy with more respect (and I can’t stand her), because whatever went down there was never a bad word from her about the father of her kids and they kept it civil.
I’m not sure if her image won’t get a bit burned if it becomes obvious that she is using their kids against Brad. She needs to have something solid against him, otherwise it’s not understandable.
@ SilverUnicorn- The original statement when AJ filed, the reasons sited were “concern for health/safety of the family”, and the Irreconcilable Differences Standard Box checked. And the WAY she filed and requested Sole Legal and Physical, specifically.
The other statements from “sources close to the couple” seemed to specify that there was not infidelity or the reason for Jolie filing was bc of an affair. As you say, a lot is speculation but you do not have your Attorney make specific comments on the record on your behalf that are that accusatory in highly inflammable in nature if not true. It does not take a Legal Expert or a Scholar to see she is attempting to railroad him. Maybe Pitt did do something horrible, not sure the REAL truth will ever come out—at least not for awhile.
Then, who, if not Jolie’s PR team and “source” was putting out the substance abuse, weed and alcohol abuse & anger mgmt bs? As you said there have only been 3 official statements but they have been made and 2 came from Jolie’s Camp and hired and paid Professionals who represent her IIRC.
Pitt’s one and only comment yesterday was very telling. He chose the higher road, IMO.
^^^THIS
And, IMO and FWIW—Angelina cannot simply go it to a Court Room and be assured a Judge is going to grant her sole Physical and Legal Custody. They rarely take Legal Custody away from either Biological Parent unless under extreme circumstances (repetitive criminal/felon record, domestic violence/sex offenders/etc, incarceration, etc). Just bc Angelina requested it does not mean it will be granted and her and Wassner would have to absolutely offer solid proof and even testimony through Family Services from the older teens to back up her allegations.
My take is that Brad may have yelled at his kids like every other parent in the World, but come on—that is no reason to throw the man under the bus. Angelina is emotionally unstable herself and things are not what they always appear. Raising a blended family of 6 kids and constantly uprooting them from one Country to the next with the huge staff in tow has got to be challenging and stressful for any family at best.
I believe they both love their children immensely, which is why Jolie was selfish and damn right disrespectful to blind-side Pitt and have these allegations of unfit parenting bullshit be out there. Its wrong, and the disparaging comments and slandering and vilifying their Father is wrong and does put the children she is so protective of right in the middle. She is hypocritical IMO also to be flying around as an Ambassador to these 3rd World Countries helping so many other of these Children in need- when RIGHT NOW- her personal situation and her OWN CHILDREN’s emotional and physical well-being should be her very first priority to keep each and every one of them completely OUT of the ADULT/MARITIAL issues of divorcing and dissolving a marriage.
I do hope BP does fight this and they do not take his custody away. So what he smoke some weed, no surprise there. The alcohol/raging anger problems- again- only allegations- where is the proof? Other than him looking absolutely ragged an every year of his 52 yrs old- has he ever appeared at any public event hammered or under the influence like Depp and other have done so blatantly? Not that I can recall. The Courts also look for stability, and seek one primary domicile where the children usually will remain the most first, and the other parent also providing a home and rotating schedule and shared custody when they have their visitation, hence the joint custody.
Pitt and Jolie have each of their own substantial incomes, this will not be an issue. Perhaps Jolie would be granted PCP in the case, but I think it is a total Bitch move and messes up the kids even more psychologically and emotionally to use them as pawns and attempt to isolate them from their Father. It pisses me off!
We can all speculate what really went down and I also do not believe for one second that there was not infidelity perhaps on both sides in their many years together when they both started drifting apart. Jolie stated in more than one interview over the years that they pretty much had an open marriage and was very liberal with her take on sexual habits or diversity between them.
I like AJ and find her unique and appealing in many ways but was never a Brangaloonie and I’m just sad for their beautiful family that all this has to be aired out so publicly.
Those children and both Brad and Angelina do deserve some amount of privacy from the Media surrounding and bombarding their agents and PR Teams for stories, info, interviews, etc. and you know Harvey from TMZ has his slew of Ninja Photographers on their asses, literally surrounding their house in LA, and anywhere else they can find them and shove a camera and ask dumb and rude questions in their faces. It’s disgusting.
This is the difficult price you pay and just some of the choices one has to make if they have chosen a life in Hollywood and in the public eye. The sword cuts both ways, at times it may seem to be a Uber-Glam profession, a part of the media craziness just goes with the territory~unfortunately, in this day and age with Social Media and the MSM Insta-Reporting and minute to minute updates–it is unavoidable and goes with the territory to a large degree.
The only ones to really feel for are those children! So many have pointed out here they are not the first Hollywood Hi-Profile Couple to get divorced and certainly won’t be the last. Sad but true.
If one more poster brings up Jennifer Anniston again I am going to toss all my lunch right on this computer screen! Enough already about her and all the Karma BS. This has NOTHING to do with her and she should be completely left out of it. Along with Marion C. Who cares about Anniston in relation to Brad/Angelina after all this time so “what she thinks”(JA) or is thinking or doing is completely irrelevant to this situation.
#TEAMJOLIE-PITTCHILDREN
#PUTTHECHILDRENFIRST
#FAMILYFIRST
#BEAMICABLETOWARDSYOUREXES
” and the disparaging comments and slandering and vilifying their Father is wrong and does put the children she is so protective of right in the middle.”
None of those came from Jolie. Projecting?
I think that nothing is relevant because we know nothing. They’ve released, what, 3 statements?
Tell me, exactly where she’s slandering/vilifying the father.
The fact she asked for sole custody could be down to anything for what we know, even that Pitt joined Scientology. That’s how little we know.
@SilverUnicorn- are you serious? So you really think the sources close to the couple are actually sources and not Angelina Jolie? And that putting out info about have substance issues and anger issues is not, at the least, calling into question Pitt’s character?
@Silvercorn- Uhmmmn…am I missing something or did Wassner not make several statements on her Clients behalf when AJ filed?
Where are these allegations coming from then? Come on, we all know how this works. Give me a break.
@SilverUnicorn- I posted a reply above but put it in the wrong place! Ugh, Sorry about that. CB is blowing up these last 2 days. This is crazy. But I agree with the majority of your postings and analysis, BTW.
Good for you, Brad.
Strange, Jolie has said in the past that she is the disciplinarian with the girls and Pitt with the boys. Also she found her own mother’s parenting techniques too soft. Maybe he is a strict dad but with their crazy life, somebody has to exert strictness no?
Ok, I thought I will wait longer to see what info comes out to comment on this, but at this point I tend towards the theory that there was a difference in lifestyle, parenting style and hence, how they saw the future. obviously Angelina wants to move into politics and be perceived as serious rather that an actress and Brad still is a movie maker first and a humanitarian second. Maybe she sees the future in UK, where she takes up the political career, he want to remain the travelling the world circus family. I think that some disagreement about parenting was just a last drop. I also tend to think that there is more to it than Angelina wants us to believe. And here is why. First of all, she always said that Brad is a great father. I refuse to believe he actually hurt his kids or put them into some danger, unless the evidence is presented. even such a hot mess as johhny who was physically abusive, remained a good father to his kids. As a mother my self I can say that there are lots and lots of argument between parents regarding parenting, because duh, children some into this world without an instruction. You do not pull the trigger just because you disagree, because when the relationship is not only about your feelings and your ego and your love, but there actually are kids involved then divorce is an absolute last measure. I think she blindsided him and chose the time to make it as public as possible in order to get the custody of the kids and proceed with her plans for the future, such as moving to England and living there full time away from the Hollywood nonsense. Second, maybe there was cheating or something else between her and Brand that pushed her to do this. I still think that something made her angry and she is punishing him for that. The reason for this is that they are both of so private and she really does love the kids. I would assume that if there is any evidence of mistreatment of kids on Brad’s part they could have copied a standard Hollywood statement of “we are going our separate ways but we continue to love and respect each other. Privacy, please” statement and could have done all the negotiations involving any dirty laundry privately. I meant only her statement is a huge exposure for the kids. if she still is planing to have him in kids’ life then this whole conspiracy of abuse should not have been made public. Unless he actually did hit the kids, I can not justify her actions – going so public with something so intimate that will clearly affect the kids.
Agreed on all points.
I’d also add that while Johnny had a history of trashing hotel rooms and getting in to altercations with paparazzi, we’ve never heard about anything like that from Brad. It doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a temper, but we’ve certainly never seen evidence of it publicly.
^^^ THIS TOO. Giving a toddler/child a little swat on the bum is NOT battery or child abuse IMO either. There is a difference between scolding/yelling and some mild forms of discipline when necessary and it also pisses me off ni this day and age that others automatically call it domestic abuse when a Parent attempt to discipline their own children DFC are immediately called in. WTF.
Any danger these children may or not may be in is all speculation as this point. On the other hand, if Pitt did abuse them in any way or put their safety in jeapordy- I would not condone any type of abusive or unsafe behavior or actions so I may have to eat my words depending on what Jolie alleges what really happened.
Jolie already has mind-effed her own children right out of the gate with putting this out there in the extreme manner she has. Should tell us all something about her poor judgement- even if it was the case. Not appropriate at ALL.
She is MAD. To imply he is a bad father is the ultimate low blow..this is a woman scorned!!
I believe where there is smoke there is fire. She may have hired a private investigator and found something out. I believe Brad may not have even had a full blown affair, he may have only dipped his toe in the water..but for Angelina, that was enough for her to pull the plug on him. She hated what her father did to her mother and I think Brad betrayed her somehow for her to come out swinging mad like this!
Exactly. Her saint image is just that – an image
Angelina is a pro at PR, there is no way that the way she worded her announcement was anything but deliberate. She wants to throw him under the bus, have control over the kids, and control how the divorce will be happening. Whatever happened between them, it’s not right to throw the kids into this as if they are pawns in the game. But this doesn’t surprise me, because, although her dad cheated on her mom, her mom spent all her life making sure the kids were brainwashed against their dad and always on her side. I understand that it’s hard for someone to accept that one of your parents cheated, but that doesn’t justify the hurt parent turning the kids against the other. I have friends who are products of divorced parents due to cheating, and their parents did not turn them against the other. Angelina lived her whole life on “team mom”. That was her example for divorcing with kids. Why is anyone shocked?
That is interesting. My poor sister had to deal with a husband whose mother tried to do the same with him and his brothers and sisters. I would say one of the sisters was damaged for life, to the point where she could never trust a man, but they were all affected to a degree. The mother in law was lovely in many ways, but totally irrational about the father and his new family, even after she had been happily remarried for 20 years.
Thank you, a voice of reason.
My husband’s ex-wife behaved exactly this way and still does to this day 10 years after they split. The two children have suffered greatly. It is the ultimate emotional abuse to turn your children against their father. All of the studies show that children need a father and that those who don’t suffer greatly in terms of higher rates of emotional instability, depression, and suicide. I do not care WHAT he did, so all of this speculation is making me sick. Unless he committed a crime (which should be handled behind closed doors with the District Attorney) then a woman is being a controlling, spiteful and abusive person when she vilifies the father of her children during a divorce. She just wants her way, total control over the kids, and to come out of it looking like the “saint.” Thank the Lord most people see it for what it is.
“All of the studies”? Please feel free to ignore all of the positive studies about single parents and same gender parents.
Children need a good parent(s). Engaged, aware, active parent(s). A child with a single parent who is active and engaged is far better off than a child with two parents who don’t care.
^^^ Yes,JH82DC !!! Spot on!! Everything you said times 1,000,000
I think this is very plausible. I remember the pre-Brad era (polar opposite of the humanitarian image) and how she was ‘team mom’.
That carefully worded ‘health of family’ just opened the door to crazy speculation against him. Yet not a word from her side to clarify no abuse occurred.
Is it possible Angelina and/or the kids walked in on him screwing a sidepiece and the ensuing hysteria and trauma was too much?
Oh sh-t, I hadn’t even thought of that. Yikes!
Wow…. Could see her reacting like this if he were to do Something like that. Yikes indeed!
My guess is she discovered the rumours about the roid rage,hooker, storm, and digger were true. She wants to go into politics so can’t be linked with that level of bad
It difficult for me to believe that 1) he’s a pot head with an anger issue because that’s usually not how pot works 2) he’s an addict that has hit rock bottom because he’s worked A LOT the last few years. Have we gotten blinds or stories about him on set causing problems? So at the very least he’s functional, right? Of course, that’s not always the case with addiction. It just seems that we would’ve heard about his addiction and anger before now?
Just a thought.
If he was having major Johnny Depp style issues I’d expect he would have had to take more of a back-seat at Plan B.
I’ve seen potheads who get very unpleasant when they can’t smoke or don’t have access to pot, but I’d assume supply isn’t an issue for Pitt. Pot can make you paranoid and thus can result in rages if you’re really badly affected, but if you react to it like that that’s how you react to it. You don’t smoke for 30-something years and then one day start getting paranoid for the first time ever.
That’s what I thought, I’d expect people could be angry pot heads but not necessarily out of blue. But it’s not in my wheel house. I forgot about Plan B, that and all the private industry design places he works. Didn’t I read he’s designing a resort that is a multimillion dollar project? Idk, doesn’t sound like he’s hit some sort of rock bottom, to me. I wouldn’t know though so it’s speculation.
My personal take is that they’ve been having problems for a while. That they were in a stagnant state where they weren’t really dealing with eachother and then he did something that really pissed her off and she was done. I don’t think she would be this pissed about another woman. She is in Hollywood and I’m sure they don’t have a traditional morality about fidelity. So I’m going to believe it’s about the kids and his behavior. What I do think is he’s been boozing and possibly smoking pot and alcoholism gets progressively worse and more difficult to live with especially if you have kids and the kind of responsibilities she does.
They will have a good agreement on this. people need to relax.
but she will dictate the rules. I am sure about that and no Judge will deny her that. She build na image of being a great mother and probably the children will want to stay with her.
@Ana- you may be correct, but according to our Constitutional and Rights under Family and Probate Law, just bc Angelina does GoodWill and charity work does not mean that our Justice/Legal System should be baised towards one parent vs. another.
The entire situation must be assessed and mediated fairly on both sides. Allegations and statements thru attorneys are merely that, allegations. Pitt has legal rights, too especially over his own biological children. If he also adopted Maddox and the other children jointly which I believe he did, he legally has the same legal rights over his non-biological children until this divorce is finalized. If she puts in that emergency RO bull crap next I will be spitting bullets.
You mean she will CO-dictate the rules with her ex, the kids’ father who’s said he wants shared custody. Unless he’s done something very dangerous that can be proved in court, he’s getting shared physical and legal custody. No judge will deny that without a very very good reason.
How do you know the children will want to stay with her? The kids appear to love their father too. The elder boys spend a lot of time with him, the eldest is 15 and will be 16 next year which is old enough to determine with which parent he’d want to live. Could be Brad or Angie.
I bet this is mostly about locaton of the kids, he is very close to his family and I bet they argue over where to live all time. It probably gets really exhausting carting those kids all over the world. Whatever the issue is, I’m really sad for this family. They seemed united and happy.
Like people flocked to Mr. And Mrs. Smith to see the chemistry talked about and tied in with his separating from Aniston, I see the same thing happening for this movie with all the reports of chemistry and now the sudden divorce filing.
Brad had a much more “normal” midwest upbringing and it makes sense that his parenting style would be more traditional. That said, he doesn’t strike me as an “anger issues” kind of guy. He’s pretty mellow himself. This is a pretty surprising accusation from her since she’s always raved about what a great Dad he is.
I imagine they are very upset at this attempt to villianize their son as a bad father, angry drunk with substance abuse issue.
I’m sure they are devastated. I don’t get the impression they saw the kids much anyway, so now it will probably be close to never.
I feel badly for Brad’s parents. They always seemed to enjoy time with their grandkids.
Now I’m thinking that their wedding was just a band-aid and they should have never gotten married in the first place. Why mess with a good thing? I also side-eyed it when they said they would wait until everyone could get married and then just disregarded that later on.
If they hadn’t gotten married and wanted to split, would it be any easier? I tend to think it might be even more complicated.
I think in certain situations that it’s legit to ask for a divorce if the other parent yells at their kids. Psychological and mental abuse is also abuse.
My husband used to yell a lot to my son, and me. He has a short temper combined with that he always refuse to say that he is sorry after everything has blown off. The worse thing was not the yelling but how he yelled, he use to scream at my son, and me, “what is wrong with you?” or “are you stupid”. I told him that he has to keep to the situation, that it’s wrong to paint on the wall, and you did something wrong, but not to say that something is wrong with the person. My son has autism and he knows that he is diffrent, and he needs to learn what is the right or wrong thing to do in a situation, and not to know that something is wrong with him as a person. I also got very tired of hearing what a lousy person I was, I wanted to fight about the situation we disagreed on, and not to hear him breakdown me and my self confidence. I would be afraid if we got a high electricity bill because I knew it would agitator him and he would use me as a mental lunchbaren.
So… Finally I left him and I actually found someone else pretty quickly, but it didn’t really feel right. I still cared for my husband and I wanted to be a family. We started going to councelling together and decided to give it another try. He can still get agitated when he open bills or when he isn’t able to fix something in the house, but I just walk away then. He has, however, to yell at our son and not to concentrate on his personality but instead talk about the particular situation he is upset about. When I left him he promised to have anger management theraphy, but he still hasn’t done that (it’s been three years), but I do notice that he tries to control his temper. But if he started verbally abusing my son, or his little brother, again I would leave him again.
If more people sought help like your family did, there would be less suffering for everyone involved. Sometimes we don’t know what we don’t know. Kudos to you.
Both of them seem like awful parents.
He probably drugged and cheated, or was having an emotional affair. That’s my guess. And she, being controlling, is yanking him back with this divorce — which smells like a huge bluff to me. She’s like, no, your new spy movie was not OUR spy movie and don’t you dare think you can leave me for a fresher, more authentically French version of me.
I doubt he was doing anything to warrant the kind of exposure this divorce — and the scorched earth way she’s going about this — is putting on all of them. This kind of spotlight is exactly the kind of attention that kids at Maddox would not want. He is 15, for god’s sake! He can’t even have the little independence he needs because of all the media attention now. Shiloh is 10 — can you imagine how you would’ve felt if your parents divorced when you were 10? But, you know, just watch this couple get back together in a couple years. But by then, the oldest kids will already have had to deal with this crap, and all this drama — and missing all this time with their dad — will have been for what exactly? To ensure their parents’ place at the top of the Hollywood food chain? Really? Ugh. Horrible.
@Ehhh, although I do not live through this or any Celebrity couple vicariously- how can you say that? Do you know them? I understand it is only your opinion and observation but I don’t see it.
Not to mention with Nannies, Cooks, Housekeepers, personal assistants, etc- they both seemed publicly to be hands-on more than most. I’m sorry, I just don’t agree with your assessment. I don’t see it.
i bet one of the savvier or older kids saw evidence of him cheating and asked her about it and she filed. Like celebitchy said in another article, if he did cheat, it’s not his first affair. She probably realized some time ago he’s incapable of being faithful completely and just wanted discretion from him. She gets revenge on him for treating her like a fool and nobody gets to say to her that she deserves it. I know people say she’s moved on from the aniston thing but I know if my husband left another woman for me, I would always have some doubts.
That’s an interesting take. If he cheated on her (maybe in their own home) and at least one of the kids became aware of it – I can see why she wants a divorce and protect her children.
I had a similar case a few years ago. A boy found out his father was cheating. The kid was brave enough to tell his mom, who finally filed for divorce. And now everyone can guess who the father was blaming for his failed marriage…
Seriously? That poor boy 🙁
Unfortunately true. And that was just the tip of the iceberg. My heart broke for this boy. He witnessed a lot of crap and didn’t even get much love in return.
Typing this, I realize that yes, I feel sorry for the Jolie-Pitt kids, but sometimes separation/divorce is the better alternative. So many kids grow up in messed up situations where parents just stay together for the sake of the kids. They are aware of everything: every mean look parents give each other, every hissed word, even the tension in the room and parents trying to act nice. They know and it cuts them like a knife.
Damn another good theory. I understand and agree with the prevailing opinion that there are kids are involved and there’s no need to be salivating or gleeful over this but MAN I have to say: I cannot wait to hear from Brad’s side.
Another thing, this sounds crazy, but because the allusions to alleged child endangerment are so vague, it probably wouldn’t hurt his career much, but another serious infidelity against another well-loved star would hurt his image way more than the vague “he smokes too much pot around the kids” tumors.
Wow, so much speculation presented as fact. I won’t speculate, but I do think Angelina is secretly a conservative–economically, not socially. Got a whiff off some quotes she gave and “sources” leaking to the press….and I think Brad is far more liberal. Politics can be a source of dispute, especially when one spouse wants to go into politics.
Angelina said years ago,she was not a democrat on Larrry King show.She said people assumed she was one.She supports the death penalty.Brad is liberal,she is not.
Well, as a couple they were pro-gay marriage, so you can assume she’s not a social conservative.
The way she went after him publicly is disgusting.
You are assuming all this tabloid BS in the media is coming from her.As I asked someone else did you also assume all the tabloid BS about her came from him? Is he responsible for the stories about her screwing everyone in The House of Lords?
Maybe he was the one who wanted out and to go about it quietly. She lost control and this is her way of getting it back.
Surprisingly it’s been very quiet today – so far (mid-afternoon Eastern time). No other leaks or stories from “sources” in TMZ or other outlets.
I wonder if they’ve both decided to pipe down and lay low to hash this out in private. It would be better for their kids AND careers to do so.
They just might be in agreement with everything that is unfolding. It is possible that Brad wants out so badly that he has agreed to take the full brunt of the blame. I smell desperation.
I was thinking this might be the case — he wants out and they’ve agreed to let her lead the narrative. Honestly just about anything seems possible at this point, except for the story that she suddenly wants to divorce because she doesn’t like him drinking or smoking pot. That seems the least likely scenario to me.
I don’t know what motivated Angelina to file for divorce but I am sure, having gone through the same situation (filing for divorce/leaving my spouse) she is hurting right now. I don’t doubt that she loved Brad (and vise versa) but sometimes, love isn’t enough, and the best solution to marital difficulties is to divorce. I don’t believe that Angelina is responsible for the myriad of awful stories making the tabloid rounds right now, nor do I believe that Brad was a horrible monster/harmed his kids. I think it possible that he cheated, if he did then Angelina is doing the right thing for the family by leaving as cheaters never change. But again, this is only speculation and until official reasons are provided by the two people in the marriage, nobody knows why their marriage is over.
I love Angelina Jolie – I think she is beautiful, intelligent, and incredibly compassionate towards those in need – and I wish nothing but the best for her and her children going forward. I also hope Brad will be okay and that if he has committed an act of betrayal against Angelina (which caused her to leave), I hope he can do some serious soul searching so that he doesn’t repeat the same mistake with his next relationship. I truly wish for all parties involved to find happiness and love in the future.
Does anyone remember the picture with them fighting on the balcony in Australia? He had a bottle in his hand and was yelling at her and she was in tears afterwards.
Maybe she walked in on him burning one with Maddox.
No matter what happened, Angie doesn’t not have a history of sticking around to work things out. She bails fairly quickly and more than one ex has been left shell shocked. I hope they both slow down and consider the best direction for the kids.
I feel for Brad coz i love him. I always have. As a person and as a celeb crush, he’s always been a stand up guy and has always kept his affairs (no pun) on the downlow. Ive often felt he’s always dimmed his shine to let his wife shine (a lot like how i feel aabt JayZ right now). Takes a guy comfortable and confident and in love to do this. I dont understand what went wrong coz the way he loved Angie was undeniable. He made me love her even more. This is overall sad af. Hope he doesnt spiral into bad coping mechanisms. May they see this through in peace.
pot does not make you violent, so this cannot be true.