Hillary Clinton demolished a baby-fingered Cheeto in the presidential debate

The first presidential debate was held last night at Hofstra University in New York. And it was a glorious mess. I’ll be honest: I was really worried about Hillary Clinton. It’s not that I thought she would completely screw the pooch, but I thought Donald Trump would bully his way to some kind of victory. Shockingly, that didn’t happen. Hillary Clinton won the debate by any metric you want to use – she looked and sounded presidential, she was wonky and policy-oriented without going overboard, plus she fought Trump’s near-constant lies and interruptions with grace, sass and humor. Even longtime-GOP operatives like Steve Schmidt and Nicole Wallace said Clinton won, hands-down, and that Trump had an awful performance.

This isn’t Politico so I’m not going to analyze the debate point by point, but some of my personal favorites were: Trump fighting with Lester Holt about Holt’s completely true statement that Trump supported the Iraq War pre-invasion; Hillary expertly baiting Trump on his tax returns, Birtherism and stamina; Trump basically admitting that he doesn’t pay his taxes (probably why he gets audited every year, right???); Hillary baiting Trump on the fact that he doesn’t pay his vendors/contractors; Trump basically saying that hackers are fat losers; Trump bringing up Rosie O’Donnell in the middle of the debate; Hillary’s amazing red suit and her really great hair.

And in case you missed it, I’ll summarize what happened again and again:

Trump: [unintelligible yelling]
Clinton: [sassy one-liner dismantling Trump’s unhinged lunacy]
Trump: [interrupts with a lie]
Clinton: [Thoughtful policy analysis, plan for what she would do as president]
Trump: [sniffles and gulps water nervously]

Seriously, the sniffling thing was… amazing. I can’t wait for the GOP spinners to explain why Trump kept sniffling, messing with his mic, gulping water as his baby hands gripped the water glass, then pouting like his wife.

What else? A lot of people were critical of moderator Lester Holt, especially when Holt basically allowed Trump to bully him and Sec. Clinton, often in the span of a few seconds. But I’ll say something in Holt’s defense: once they got past the first half hour about the economy, the questions were amazing. Holt asked flat-out about violence against the African-American community, Birtherism, Trump’s “she doesn’t have a presidential look” comments and more.

Photos courtesy of Getty.

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  1. lilacflowers says:

    And she did it with a smile.

    • Who ARE these people? says:

      .and he did it with a sniff …and then another sniff. ..and then another sniff…

      • B n A fn says:

        Sniff, sniff. Ha ha. She beat the pants off him. I hope he’s still gulping down the water. I bet he peed his pants when she was done with him😄

      • KittenTime says:

        Dude that’s all I could post about on social media last night: Trump’s dabble in cocaine before the debate. Man, this just solidified how I feel about coke: any drug that makes you that shouty, that red-faced and that angry is not a drug I want anything to do with. A couple times I actually heard him unable to breath and I thought he might keel over.

        His nose-breathing into the mic was so distracting. I blame China or Mexico.

      • doofus says:

        You blame China or Mexico?

        NOT OBAMA?!!!!!

      • KittenTime says:

        ETA: AND Obama.

      • MC2 says:

        Is this cocaine rumor a real thing? Are people thinking he snorts the powdery stuff?

        ETA: Never mind- reading down thread & very interested……

      • MorningCoffee says:

        The sniffing was bizarre. I’ve heard no explanation of it either.

    • Sb says:

      She was beaming and giddy at points. Sitting back as he unraveled. Even if you don’t like her, you have to admit she knows her stuff. And he’s just a buffoon with pursed lips and squinty eyes.

      • Sarah says:

        She knew how to unhinge him. He became incoherent, a word salad, a Republican commenter said he was “on a planet of non sequiturs,” he tried to bully her, talked over her, everything women hate about some men in the workplace. She got to him from the tax question, and she never met up. His son might be a Cyber hacker, Rosie O’Donnell is a pig, and he sounded like he was a coke addict.

      • Gg says:

        As an undecided voter I thought that came across as smug and disrespectful. Trump won the primary fair and square and deserves to be there and heard. He is not a joke to all the voters that out him on stage.

      • V4Real says:

        He was a mess. His so called talking points sounded more like a rant. He repeated the same words a lot when talking. He pretty much attacked Hillary looks when he said she doesn’t have the look of a president and quickly tried to fix it by saying she doesn’t have the right temperament. Too late though because many of us and the media had already picked up on that.

        @Gg what are you saying?

        I think Hillary also deserves to be heard without Trump getting flustered and trying to talk over her and the moderator.

      • INeedANap says:


        Was it not smug and disrespectful that he kept talking over her? Insulted her? Bullied the moderator? Arrived uneducated and unprepared?

        Clinton gets told to smile more. When she does she’s smug. Some voters are just committed to the Drumpster fire huh.

      • doofus says:

        “Trump won the primary fair and square and deserves to be there and heard.”

        and he was.

        what exactly is your issue, here? that she wasn’t “nice” to him? that she used his own words against him? that she made him look like the con man and unprepared fool that he is? should she have gone easy on him since he didn’t prepare?

      • K says:

        @GG wait I’m confused who did you think came across as smug? At no point did anyone not let Trump speak he was he only one yelling and intruppting? I’m not sure I get what you saw would you mind explaining? I’m genuinely scared for the future of this country and can’t see how people can’t see trump for the racist unprepared bully who doesn’t have even the basic understanding of our government or world so if you can explain what you see id appreciate it.

        Please note I get not liking Clinton,I just don’t understand not seeing trump for what he is.

      • hmmm says:

        I think she was beaming and giddy because she has been relishing this day to finally not only dismantle him, but to have a massive audience to put forth her vision for America. People call it smug. I call it delighted. She relishes the challenge, she was totally confident Trump was a sniffling, bellowing, twitchy, incoherent mess. He got beaten by a girl. Hahahahaha!

      • hmmm says:


        Your words show that you are totally decided.

      • Lilacflowers says:

        @Gg, what was smug and disrespectful? Her smile? He had a right to be there but he did not have a right to monopolize 85% of the debate time. That was smug and disrespectful to everyone, particularly to other undecided voters. He had no right to talk over her, which he did. He had no right to talk over the moderator, which he did. He had no right to shout at her, which he did repeatedly. Everything he did was smug and disrespectful: to her; to Holt; to the process; and to the voters.

      • Teebee says:

        Trump is unqualified, and without his disastrous rebirth on TV, barely successful or relevant anymore. This turn as a presidential candidate is a blatantly open attempt to extend his shelf life and possibly revitalize his damaged brand. Do Not flatter him by giving him any credit for getting this far. He demonstrates just how far you can go, and how dangerous the cult of celebrity, by winning based on a wholly media-created persona. You are seeing firsthand just how superficial and easily-manipulated the modern mind has become, that an anachronistic, cut rate, snake oil salesman can rise to the heights of political power based on smoke and mirrors. And make no mistake either, HRC lack of national support by almost 50% of the nation is due to the fact that women, for all the strides that have been made by so many pioneers, are still considered second class citizens. She suffers from deeply entrenched tendencies towards sexism and misogyny that most people won’t admit to, even in 2016. Any rational thinking person would and should know that if HRC were a man, yet still possess every qualification AND fault, she’d be so far ahead in the polls that it would be an embarrassment for her opponent to even have their name on the ballot.

        I have nothing but contempt and no respect for anyone who cannot see this. I don’t care if I come across as pompous and judgmental. I can see Trump’s falseness and chicanery. I pray that sensibility and common sense will win out in November, for to imagine the opposite is too difficult to consider right now.

      • Jezi says:

        @teebee Yes!!!!!!! 1000% yesssss!!!! Couldn’t have said it better myself. I also agree that the contempt she gets is due to the fact she lacks a penis. He is a disgrace and people voting for him make no sense to me. What do they expect when and if he’s elected if he has no idea what he’s talking about even in a national debate? He is beyond a con man, he is a cult leader. Who will lead the American public to their suicide. I’m not being dramatic here either. He’s dangerous!

      • Jaded says:

        @Teebee – wonderfully put, and here in Canada we are shuddering collectively at the thought of that contemptible carny in the White House as it will not only be the ruin of the U.S. but your next door neighbours and, in fact, the entire planet.

      • Sadezilla says:

        Well said, @Teebee. I’m quite convinced that were she a man, people’s complaints about HRC would be much fewer.

      • Sasha says:

        “I have nothing but contempt and no respect for anyone who cannot see this. I don’t care if I come across as pompous and judgmental. ”

        But you must know that with this kind of approach you will not bring undecided voters to your side. I am pretty sure GG is long gone. She posted on thing, which was not even that controversial, and got multiple not so gentle replies.

      • Lindsay says:

        Teebee – “He demonstrates just how far you can go, and how dangerous the cult of celebrity, by winning based on a wholly media-created persona.”

        He also owes some of his success to the clown car of candidates the RNC had on offer. They did not offer up a lot of competition. Also, people’s natural, instinctive dislike of Ted Cruz *shudder* paired with that face, his smugness and lack of charisma, the delivery of a condescending, disingenuous pastor, and the hard earn hatred his own party has for him helped a lot too.

      • JenniferJustice says:

        I feel the same. I have lost respect for many people I know but didn’t realize until this election year how bigoted and sexist they are. Some Trump highlights that the blind republicans refuse to acknowledge:

        On violence and crimes against the African American community: Trump said he will enforce more law and order. Stop and Frisk will be brought back because the African Americans and the Hispanics are the ones with guns. They need to be frisked and the nation needs to support the police. No talk of trust – just racial profiling. Because…wait for it…..America has become a third world country.

        On building his company and becoming rich on the backs of little people: Trump said he is in it for his family and his company. He does take advantage of business laws – filing for bankruptcy 6 times and over 1,000 law suits pending for non compliance of payment for work done (breached contracts). It’s all okay because it’s legal. If you don’t like it, change the laws.

        I understand he is a good businessman – not respected or fair or liked – but successful, yes. That’s it folks. He is a crook, a cheater, a bully, a tax-avoider, a liar and scammer. He still has no specific plans to back any of his stances. He is dumb. Dumb I say – aside from his business know-how, he is immature, spoiled, temper tantrum throwing….complete embarrassment. I can’t believe anybody would think he “did good” last night. What do they see?

      • V4Real says:

        @Sasha Just because @Gg didn’t respond again doesn’t mean she didn’t read the replies. 🙂

    • Godwina says:

      Backwards in heels, baby.

    • Ravensdaughter says:

      I loved the shoulder shimmy!

    • Megan says:

      I loved that is was so obvious she was enjoying herself.

    • isabelle says:

      Epic face game. Some of the best face game I’ve ever seen in any debate.

      • hmmm says:

        When she broke the fourth wall and stared at the camera while he ranted and raved I was stunned. It was so perfect and bold.

    • Bros says:

      and somehow not a dry mouth! that woman has f#&king stamina. I have to travel a lot for work and meet with foreign folks at various functions and meetings and go to a couple ceremonies and etc and by the end of the day I’m utterly exhausted. Im exhuasted while it’s happening, and you just have to propel yourself through it, plaster on a pleasant resting face, and go to your happy place. i think all those years doing that day in and day out in 112 countries all freaking day long from 6am to 10 or 11 at night makes you one strong ass mother f’er and she definitely had him up against the ropes. she didn’t even clear her throat, let alone drink, sweat, or make a facial expression other than calm bemusement. damn, hillary!

    • Bubbles says:

      Tangerine Nightmare interrupted her TWENTY NINE times.. Boy did she rattle his tiny brain. 🙂

    • rays kirt says:

      Yes she did, she got him. She ruined him with facts and future handling, by comparison. By anyone’s comparison . Because he is beyond a dumbass Dorito with zero competence. And, here us the scary part; so are his dumbass voters who are unbelievably ignorant. They don’t care. He yells loud. That works for them. We are potentially still fukkked by these morons.

    • Nia says:

      they are both as bad as each other- she’s just better at hiding it. I’m voting for Jill Stein.

  2. Who ARE these people? says:

    And I was just thinking, give us a debate post, you know we want it…✌

    • Kenya says:

      Word! I wish that hrc had brought up that not one fortune 100 company has donated to trump. It is seen as a real measure of how much business trusts you, the candidate.

      Fortune 100 businesses have donated to Hilary.

      you would expect businesses to trust a businessman no? Even when trump is promising tax cuts for them – still, they won’t endorse him.

      Smart Businessmen know who and what butters their bread and it is the USA word and stability, none of which trump can provide, and in fact actively undermines. That’s how you win over his supporters!!

      Other than that hrc won.

      • AintNoTelling says:

        @Kenya- Trump’s real base, or supporters are also very interested in undermining the economy. They’re also highly interested in undermining the Constitutional rights of minorities, and are highly invested in “making America great again”, which basically means that they do not want to share wealth, or liberties with those who are not or do not look like them. This is precisely why they support Trump. They view corporations as unsound, elitist mechanisms, set up to destroy them.

        It was wise of Hillary to not bring this up, imho.

      • MC2 says:

        I think I agree with Aint after thinking about it a bit but it’s interesting. I think Trump appeals to the people who hate “the man” and “the boss” (weird because he is both but whatever) and the companies are the boss. The companies are literally a lot of these people’s bosses and they frequently don’t getting treated well either. I think they need the companies and want them but they don’t trust them and they want Trump to force them to stay in America. I think these people see Trump as a business insider who will fire the politicians, blow up the system and then be the boss of the businesses themselves and be the top dog of the pile. I think he represents these little guys tying themselves to the one that will finally have power over the people that have power over them.

  3. Onerous says:

    Lester Holt came for Trump and then gave him enough rope to hang himself. It was brilliant.

    Clinton looked like a radiant beacon of virtue by comparison. I literally cannot believe he was so grossly unprepared.

    • LadyMTL says:

      I’m Canadian so can’t vote but I watched the sh*t out of this debate. Honestly, seeing Clinton demolish Trump was incredible. I especially loved when she basically got him to admit that he didn’t pay Federal income taxes for a few years, never mind her “I’m calmly listening to a nutball” smiles when he would go off on one of his rants. (As I said on Twitter, if I took a shot for every time Trump talked in circles and said nothing, my liver would have failed before the debate even started).

      Unfortunately, I have a feeling there are lots of people out there who think Trump did well, which makes me sad and angry.

      • I just can't says:

        That’s what I’m wondering. Do others that somehow are still undecided think she won? I mean I think she did but obviously I’m biased since the cheeto is so disdainful. And these undecideds don’t see that yet. Also, all my pro trump acquaintances obviously think he won…

      • mazzie says:

        Canadian who also watched. I was planning on drinking my way through this but remained stone cold sober out of sheer disbelief at his performance. Also, spittakes are messy.

    • t.fanty says:

      It was like watching the schoolyard bully go up against a Girl Scout. She had so much to achieve and she did it by taking the Obama path of cool, calm professionalism. I doubt many blowhard Trump supporters will care, but hopefully this will swing the undecideds.

      • Nicole says:

        The fact that there are undecided voters are why I’m scared. There has been not ONE instance of trump saying anything remotely presidential. Not once. So for there to be undecided voters are exactly how the US are in the state of utter mess to where even the UN is writing scathing reports on our country.

        For shame America.

      • t.fanty says:

        Great point. There is absolutely no justification for being undecided at this point.

      • KittenTime says:

        I feel differently than you guys. I thought she let Trump steamroll her in his typical trademark filibuster-y style for the first half of the debate and she was often speechless at times. I thought she recovered rather nicely during the second half but overall, she didn’t have that shining moment and sadly, I don’t think she did enough to sway swing voters.

        I’m so effin scared of this election. Watching Trump last night I realized how royally f*cked we are if he becomes POTUS. Pre-debate I’ve been convincing myself that if he wins the election then maybe he’ll surround himself with smart people and it won’t be so bad. But last night reminded me that this is The Trump Show. He’s captain of this ship and he’s going to do whatever the f*ck he wants, regardless of whether it’s the right thing for this country or not. My god he is such a megalomaniac it is TERRIFYING.

      • t.fanty says:


        I’ve been back and forth between your feeling and mine, but I’ve seen Trump die-hardship on FB today, saying they hate both of them. This swung people, I really think. I don’t think she needed a shining moment – I think she needed to appear unflappable and calm. Obama coasted through debates on this kind of coolness. She displayed a level head and showed that she didn’t take him seriously. I think that many people will now hold their nose and vote for the status quo, rather than someone who can’t control himself. Plus she got him to slip up on his taxes, and this is going to eclipse her emails as *the* topic from here on out.

      • KittenTime says:

        @T. Fanty-Hey, I’m happy to be wrong about this. If she changed minds then that’s great.

        “Obama coasted through debates on this kind of coolness”

        Ha! I was thinking the same thing last night. But for me, the difference between HRC and Obama is that POTUS has always been a warm, charismatic individual. When he remained calm and in control during the debates, it made him look unflappable, self-possessed and appealingly imperturbable. Whereas with HRC, it makes her look stiff, cold, and almost detached.

        I tried to be really honest with myself last night about why Obama always resonated with me during the debates in a way that HRC cannot. Is it inherent sexism? Do I expect her to be warm and engaging because she’s a woman? I really don’t think so because I’ve had a hard time warming to HRC’s personality since she was elected Secretary of State. I don’t dislike her or anything…but I don’t connect with her personality (or to be fair, her PUBLIC persona) at all.

        But WGAF? None of that matters. All that matters to me is that she’s more than capable of running the Oval Office. She is smart, politically savvy, and most closely reflects my political and social beliefs. I don’t need to “have a beer” with her, you know?

      • Jwoolman says:

        Not so sure she was nervous the first twenty minutes. Might just have been waiting to see what direction he was going before zooming in for the kill… Kind of letting him exhaust himself. Maybe I’ve watched too many cats in action, but that’s what they do. Watch and wait and then pounce.

      • doofus says:

        the thing is, she IS warm and engaging in private settings. she’s just had to be the “hard, no-nonsense b*tch” in public for so long because of all the mudslinging against her.

        you COULD have a beer with her, and you’d probably laugh your ass off AND be impressed by her immense knowledge of all sorts of topics.

        that being said, I agree…those traits are not necessary to run the country, and she’s MORE than capable of doing that.

      • MC2 says:

        I was thinking about her “lack of charm” last night too- there is just something about her personality that doesn’t bring on the warm & fuzzies. For me too and it affects me. I liked Obama better and I didn’t want to (I am very happy to have fallen totally in love with him & MO). I thought about her trying to be more likeable last night & I’m really glad she didn’t try because it would have come off as unauthentic- and that’s worse then prickly.

        But I think this is who she is and she is the first female to be close to POTUS- she is not delicate in any way. I suppose that a lot of her hardness served her well in her career and she needs to be smug to combat a lot of the crap she gets. I thought about this over 8 years ago and was happy for Obama and I trust her. I think she has a hard personality and right now, I am glad because she did do well last night.

      • MC2 says:

        I wanted to add that I agree with doofus & I think Hillary is likely a warm person in private. She seems to have a great relationship with her daughter, good friends and a loyal group around her. I trust her.

        Hillary reminds me of my step mother who can seem cold because she gets.it.done and was that way in business during the mad men era. She said that she doesn’t have to watch the show because she lived it (little coy laugh added). So I think she can’t be weak in any way on the outside and she made it. She is also so sweet, cries at the drop of a hat & I have walked in to find her on hands & knees pretending to be a puppy with her 3 yr old grandson. She even knows how to blast bad guys with her bare hands. Hillary needs her grand daughter to grow up a couple years and get a photo op- stat!

      • hmmm says:

        Hillary was so impressive I wanted to cry. I normally do not admire politicians, or care about politics, but this was a woman whom I can admire. And yes, the woman part matters, because I can’t believe the misogynistic slamming she’s been put through for decades until this very day. Her intelligence, experience and passion shone through. The fact that she’s a woman made it that much sweeter.

        I do believe a lot of people have cognitive dissonance about a powerful woman and their own unconscious misogyny. Women have to be all things to all people. She has broken not only the glass ceiling but makes us question our own prejudices and ideals of what it is to be a powerful woman who uses her brain intelligently ,is driven to make a better world, does it with dignity, and how she must behave. She’s a real trailblazer.

        I think she is awesome. Much respect to her. She finally won me over. She is not a cipher. And to go up against a practiced, lying psychopath of Trump’s calibre and not be daunted and to demolish him? She did what a number of Reublican contenders couldn’t do. That’s one for the annals of history and the social sciences. Just. F’g. Genius. She played him like a violin. Outmanipulated a master manipulator.

        I love that he got beaten by a girl (in his world), dominated by her. Psychopaths hate to be humiliated and exposed for what they are especially by those they consider inferior.

      • KittenTime says:

        @Doofus-I believe you that HRC is very different in person. But I’ll likely never meet her so I only have her public persona to go by. I think it’s just a sensibility thing. Much like there are certain people in our lives that we connect with more than others, people that you instantly like whereas other it takes a while to warm to them. On a completely superficial level, what endeared me most to Obama was his humor, his big smile, and his easy, laidback demeanor. In my personal life, I’m consistently drawn to people who possess those qualities so it’s not surprising that I would feel that way about POTUS.


      • Sasha says:

        “I was thinking the same thing last night. But for me, the difference between HRC and Obama is that POTUS has always been a warm, charismatic individual”

        The difference is charisma. And Hillary doesn’t have it. Bill Clinton has enough for a 100 people.

      • T.Fanty says:

        I think it’s hard not to succumb to the “likable” argument. I’m critical of her flaws, but I also like her very much, and do connect with her. She’s also older and not as cool as Obama (and I mean that in the “hip” sense). So she’s like someone’s mum making jokes about being down with the kids, and that’s not her strength. But Obama was also accused of being too professorial at various points in 2008 and 2012. The Republicans, under Palin, have managed to convince America’s middle class that ignorance = authenticity, so there is a cultural mistrust of someone who has their sh*t together.

      • isabelle says:

        @kitten I think she was ignoring his bait. She knew he was baiting her. Loved that ignored his super predator comment when he was rambling on about race. She didn’t even regard, nor should she have acknowledged it because he was 100% baiting her.

      • Dinah says:

        Unfortunately for Trump, the Girl Scout also happened to be the Valedictorian.

    • lilacflowers says:

      “I literally cannot believe he was so grossly unprepared.”

      But the man knows nothing and he believes that is okay.

      • Who ARE These People? says:

        He thinks it’s an advantage!

        Maybe he finally started to realize he got in over his head.

        But then again, it’s Trump. The ego is boundless.

        All we can hope for is that a few curiously undecided voters in key states finally started to realize he got in over his head.

      • Esmom says:

        Yes! My main takeway about Trump last night was that he thought he could say whatever he says at rallies — “law and order,” “China,” “Hannity, Hannity, Hannity,” “400 pound guy in his bedroom,” etc. — and he would win. ZERO substance. It was appalling.

        Yet…I have a feeling his supporters still think he’s won. That’s what’s most infuriating about this election.

        And WATP, I did get the feeling he started to realize he’s in over his head, you could almost see him unravel at the podium as he desperately just argued and sneered and sniffed.

      • Little Darling says:

        He knows money! Business! Money! You’re fired!

      • KittenTime says:

        Well it IS an advantage as his entire platform is that of a political outsider and that’s what makes his so appealing to his base.

        It also works in his favor because with no political resume to speak of, HRC is unable to criticize him on past political decisions he’s made, whereas Trump can go crazy with the Benghazi and email stuff or any questionable decision she made as Secretary of State.

      • NotSoSocialButterfly says:

        I don’t think he even *realizes* he knows nothing. He, much like Sarah Palin, is aggressively ignorant. He is shrewd, maybe, but one of the least intelligent public figures out there.

      • MC2 says:

        That’s what he kept circling back around to- that he was not a politician. It was all the politicians fault (ie- Hillary) so his hands are clean. They haven’t figured it out but he can build a building so he will come in & fix it! That was his one single most important point last night. And I think it works on a lot of people too……if he wants to capture people that hate the system and/or that liked Bernie because he was an atypical politician (or not a politician to them) this the way to do it.

      • Beckysuz says:

        Yes! This is what I have been trying to hammer into my parent’s heads! They are staunch republicans and hate Hillary. But dear god vote for your country first and party second. Trump revels in his own ignorance and it’s appalling. He really did think he could just keep yelling and no one would notice his utter lack of coherent thought. Frankly the people who want to vote for him should be insulted that he thinks they are so stupid they won’t notice. My siblings and I have gotten into many an argument with our parents over this election. I hope they understand now after watching the debate what is on the line if that hateful baby gets elected.

      • hmmm says:

        Even an atypical politician is required to possess substance. Who votes for someone where there is no ‘there’ there? He’s a cult leader not an political outlier.

    • isabelle says:

      He was a moderator of a circus no moderator could have controlled the talking cheeto. Do wish just so he would ave lost his sh*t, wish Lester would have said for “every interruption Don, you loose time on your 2 minutes”.

  4. Aligoat says:

    Twitter debunking Trump’s lies literally seconds after he told them was amazing.

    • Carmen says:

      He went on Twitter right after the debate and complained he lost it because his mic was defective. Something was defective all right but it wasn’t his mic.

      • Lucy2 says:

        Seriously??? Whatever that guy does, he blame someone or something else.

        Don’t forget that his campaign was deleting his own tweets that contradicted what he was claiming up there. Good thing a lot of people screen grabbed them!

      • lilacflowers says:

        His mic seemed to be working just fine. His incoherent rants, his stupidity, his admission and brag that he paid no federal income taxes, his racism, and his praise of Vladimir Putin came through loud and clear. His misogyny came through just fine with the facial expressions he made each time the issues of equal pay and equal opportunity were raised by his opponent, issues that he never raised; no mic was necessary for that.

        Or was his mic supposed to change his rants magically into something smart and wonderful?

      • Size Does Matter says:

        His mic seemed fine; it’s his mouth that’s the problem.

        I can’t get over the inherent contradiction – he says America needs change and to be run by a business person, not a politician, but when pressed on his predatory and swindling business dealings he says that’s business and he would be different as a politician.

      • NotSoSocialButterfly says:

        @Lucy2- that is a classic response from a textbook narcissist, which is what he so plainly is.

      • Christin says:

        His mic captured every single sniffle (unfortunately). And there were many. People are talking about it.

    • Jenns says:

      Twitter was amazing last night. I think I gave myself carpal tunnel from all the retweets and likes.

    • Harryg says:

      His camera was oddly shaky, as if the camera guy wanted to emphasize his jerkiness! I thought this was awesome, a great way to make someone look even worse on camera. Clinton’s camera was steady as a rock.

  5. juice says:

    i thought clinton was a little rocky in the first 20 minutes or so, but she found her legs with the expert bait about trump’s tax return and maybe not being so rich. it was all downhill for trump from there.

    • Lola says:

      I completely agree. In. The first 20 min I thought Trump was stronger than HRC. He was sticking to his speaking points about how he was change the US is seeking and HRC was the old stalwart who brought the US into the mess we’re in. The minute HRC began baiting him with his tax returns he took the bait and unravelled.

      Also I read somewhere (Time Magazine) that the reason Trump was sniffling so much was because he’s allergic to the constitution. Ha!

      • Lilacflowers says:

        In the first 20 minutes, he made an insulting stink face to the issue of equal pay to women and went on an incoherent rant about Mexico building beautiful factories, which needs to be stopped. BTW, wouldn’t those factories need workers?

    • KittenTime says:

      YES I said the same above. I think she was very nervous for the first half and it showed. She was really focusing on staying calm and nonreactive, but I think it would have behooved her to have fought back a little harder. Once she got back on track, she settled in nicely though.

      I guess I’m disappointed because I wanted her to destroy him and I don’t think that happened, sadly.

    • Rhiley says:

      I totally agree. I think their debate about the economy was a tie, maybe giving him the edge. I don’t listen to trade talk as much as I probably should, but I imagined myself as someone from Pennsylvania or Ohio, and I thought what he said sounded good and frankly, made her look bad. Also, he had a few zingers regarding how she is not a change agent and if you are a voter looking for change, then don’t vote for Hillary. I will be honest, I don’t want to hear about solar panels and I am not convinced they are our future. But after that exchange, the momentum seemed to shift with Hillary and she bested him point by point regarding race relations, gun control, foreign relations, cyber-terror. Not to mention her presence was so much more calm and controlled and thoughtful. I thought overall she had a really great night, but she didn’t need to convince me to vote for her (I live in a red state so my vote really isn’t going to go far, but she has it). Not sure she did enough to win back Ohio which is unfortunate, but we will know better by tomorrow where the polls are leaning.

      • Lambda says:

        I agree on the fact that the first part of the debate was efficient red meat thrown at the working class whites in the rust belt. But I emphatically disagree that Hill was weaker when talking about the economy – at least if you look at the content of what she was saying. The first part was also the part where Trump was shouty and overbearing, and I hate that that’s considered strength. He had NOTHING on the economy. His ideas on how the curb the outsourcing of jobs are risible and harmful only to the consumer.

      • Tiffany :) says:

        I thought she did a good job of pointing out that Trump’s tax plan is the SAME thing that Bush did, that the GOP has advocated for decades now, the SAME thing that caused the recession. Tickle down doesn’t work! I thought she made that point, but hopefully she will be able to reiterate again in the future.

      • hmmm says:

        She called it “Trumped-up trickle-down”. Heh.

    • lucy2 says:

      The beginning was definitely rocky, but I think she was testing him out, and then threw out the bait, which he took. Plus Lester Holt finally woke up about 1/3 of the way through and started asking questions.

      I really wish, when he was ranting about all the companies sending their jobs to Mexico and China, she had calmly asked him where he has his own products made. (Hint: It’s not in the USA).

      • Christin says:

        I thought both Lester and HC were going to let him steamroll the whole time, but maybe they were letting him show who he really is. WaPo has a full transcript, and it shows how disjointed his thoughts were, and how many times he interrupted her.

        Of course, a couple of those interruptions were very revealing. All is well that she’s well, I guess.

    • arock says:

      you could see her start to argue with him and then realize she was taking the bait. its is such a fine line between actual debating with this man and arguing with crazy. if she had stepped into the arguing with crazy arena it would have been down hill. she redirected everything, reiterated her points and policy.
      can you imaging spending your whole life- lawyer, congress woman, negotiating with heads of state, international policy building, crisis management, and the Secretary of state only to have it all come down to arguing with this guy? shes a better woman than I.

    • isabelle says:

      Donald had a good first 20 minutes and then she said something that set him off.

  6. Zapp Brannigan says:

    The Donald’s mouth looks like a cats puckered a$$hole and basically spews forth what would be expected to come from such an appendage.

    • Izzy says:

      OMG thank you! I’m so glad I’m not the only one who sees it! LOL I’ve seen that in so many photos of him over so many months

    • BeBeA says:

      Ouch, the hot coffee that I just spilled on my leg from laughing so hard really burns but it was worth it.

    • SusanneToo says:

      Yes! I’ve been calling him anus-mouth for months. How would anyone want that man representing America? Maybe people who want to give the finger to the rest of the world?

    • NotSoSocialButterfly says:

      Definitely more like a back- end sphincter than a front ender.

    • MC2 says:

      Kaiser had an image of Trump on her twitter last night that had his mouth as a butt hole and it didn’t look too much different from reality. It made me laugh, gag, laugh, gag….

    • Olenna says:

      So apt, and to think we might have to look at that azzhole for 4 years if quite a few Americans don’t pull their heads out of their own azzes and vote for HRC.

  7. Carmen says:

    *sniff* *sniff* *sniff* Cocaine is one helluva drug…

    • NotSoSocialButterfly says:

      He repulses me, but I think it is more likely that it was maybe a cold? And cold medicine making his mouth dry? I think he looked too sedate at the beginning for it to be coke. I certainly could be wrong.


      • Christin says:

        Given all the OTT hoopla over her coughs, it was funny to see his constant sniffling. People get sick, especially when in crowds for extended periods.

      • hmmm says:

        Then why the need this morning to deny that he ever sniffed?

    • isabelle says:

      A man of his ego & narcissism wouldn’t do drugs, he wants 100% credit, power and control.

  8. V4Real says:

    Yes she did, though some media outlets are saying there was no slam dunk. I think she slammed his cheeto looking ass. She was calm and composed. He was animated, lost stamina and constantly repeated himself.

    • Belle Epoch says:

      “Donald, I know you live in an alternate reality…”

      Where a million bucks from his father is a “very small sum”

      • Jwoolman says:

        It was more than a million bucks, and not just because it’s closer to 4 million in 2016 dollars. His dad apparently gave him several million dollars later via buying chips at his casino. Don’t think they were for gambling.

      • Tiffany :) says:

        And his dad would give his businesses loans as well, hundreds of millions, but Trump always seems to forget this.

        If Trump had put his father’s initial personal gift in an index fund, he would have 12 Billion today, not the 4 Billion he claims to have. He is not a financial genius by any means.

    • Size Does Matter says:

      Slam dunk – when she pointed out all the things he isn’t helping to fix by avoiding paying federal income taxes. Disgusting.

      • lucy2 says:

        When she said “that’s zero for the troops, zero for schools, zero for health”, that was very effective.
        As was hitting him with “maybe that’s because you don’t pay your federal taxes” after he whined about how in debt the US is and how bad our infrastructure is. His point about all the money spent in Iraq being better spent in the US, I have to agree with (shudder, shudder) but billionaires and big companies not paying their fair share is just as financially damaging.

      • Tiffany :) says:

        I thought this was one of the BEST moments! Following up after his debt bitching was brilliant.

        It really is a microcosm of the economy from a middle class perspective. There are all of these REALLY legitimate things that Americans want to invest in (like care for veterans), and yet the middle class pays to support them and the wealthiest do not.

      • Timbuktu says:

        I actually think it’s sad that the most “legitimate” thing that one can talk about, if one wants to appeal to both sides, is taking care of veterans. Not that I advocate the opposite, obviously, I just think that a more effective strategy is creating fewer combat veterans.
        Overall, I feel like healthcare and education are far more important issues, if nothing else because they help literally everyone (whereas, objectively speaking, veterans aren’t but a small segment of our population). However, the conservatives hate spending on either one of those, and that is truly disturbing, IMO.

      • hmmm says:


        My guess is that there is emphasis on veterans also because Trump, like Hitler, wants the military (as well as the police) onside so he can strong arm America and then the rest of the world.

  9. Sixer says:

    Everyone Britside is saying Clinton won. So I hope you guys are feeling happier today.

    I might be able to cheer you up even more. Mr Sixer has taken little interest in this election but we saw bits of the debate on the news over breakfast this morning and he said, “Oh my word. The Americans have been tangoed!”

    Here is the cult advert, featuring an orange man, to which he was referring. Watch and snigger.


    • Who ARE these people? says:

      Perfect. Thanks to you and Mr. Sixer.

    • SilverUnicorn says:

      Hahahahaha It fits perfectly lol
      Yes, British papers say she won but British journos were also sure Brexit couldn’t happen….

    • MI6 says:

      I already know I’m voting for Hillary so I spared myself the viewing carnage.
      It’s good to hear the Brits concur.
      40 days and counting….
      Hey Sixer, is “Septic” a derogatory or affectionate term?

    • lilacflowers says:

      The flailing orange arms! Thank you, Mr. Sixer!

    • Esmom says:

      Sixer, glad to hear the Brits can assess the debate with reason and without blinders. I honestly don’t feel better because I kept imagining all his supporters watching and doubling down on their support, no matter what he said. That’s what has happened so far and it’s extremely worrisome. Facts and substance simply don’t matter to some people.

      • Sixer says:

        This is the problem with populism, I’m afraid. It’s an appeal to emotions, prejudices, gut instincts and baser natures. It doesn’t require facts. You can’t beat Trump with facts. Or at least, you can if you have a sufficient number of rationalists, but you can’t persuade his supporters with facts. Facts are not why they support him.

        You guys just have to hope that the undecideds are rationalists.

        Most of us here in Britland can only assess Trump because we are outside. We have plenty of problems of our own where people’s views are emotional and not grounded in fact at all, you know?

      • Who ARE These People? says:

        Sixer, right on the money as usual. We don’t remember Hitler for his towering intellect – we remember him for his ability to use charismatic rants, intimidation and violence to sway millions of Germans to his cause. There are two fundamentally different styles of leadership on display here in a country long known to embrace both.

    • Rice says:

      Meanwhile, Good Morning Britain interviews Ann (without the E) Coulter who says that the media portrays Trump as a bully and then something something and then “So, yeah, he won”.

      • Sixer says:

        This is why we don’t watch ITV!

      • littlemissnaughty says:

        What? Why does GMB give her a platform? Ratings?

        I didn’t watch any of the debate. Spent the weekend at Oktoberfest so I didn’t want to ruin my good mood. My parents apparently DVR’d the whole thing though. I can’t bring myself to watch any of it but I’m glad Hillary did so well.

        The entire thing reminded me of that episode on The West Wing where Leo deliberately bungles the entire prep for his VP debate only to come out swinging. I was SO scared that was going to happen with Trump. It wasn’t a real option but at this point, I’m prepared for anything.

    • Little Darling says:

      Hilarious Sixer!!! Ha.

  10. Tw says:

    I’m with Her!

  11. Nona says:

    She blew him out of the water. No doubt about it. And it was the little things that made the debate so much fun to watch. Did anyone else notice how many times Trump was nodding in agreement when Clinton talked? It was like he was actually hearing about some of these issues for the first time and thinking, hmm, she makes sense. LMAO!

    • Esmom says:

      I noticed that, too. He was so all over the board it was crazy.

    • B n A fn says:

      That was the fastest 90 minutes I have ever sat through. I was shocked how fast the time went. I was hoping for another 30 minutes to just watch him squirming, gulping water and sniffing and sounding incoherent.

    • ab says:

      I noticed that too. like he was learning all sorts of new things. lol.

  12. Luna says:

    Howard Dean tweeted what we were all thinking..

    • lilacflowers says:

      So did Alan Cummings and Bill Maher and Don Cheadle within the first few minutes.

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      OMG they went there! And I’m the last good little girl to notice the signs of drug use but…so much sniffing. I decided he probably had a cold. The shots from behind showed something next to his feet — maybe a hanky or some tissues?

      • Little Darling says:

        I think he’s got the flu or something. He looked sick, and maybe that’s why his coloring was different; good ole fever flush. Never once did I think oh this dude is on drugs. Haha. Maybe codeine

      • PunkyMomma says:

        He’s been “sniffing” the entire campaign. It wasn’t so noticeable when he shared a stage with 16 other candidates, but once he became the nominee and started multiple campaign stops daily, the “sniffing” became apparent. 👀

      • KittenTime says:

        I’m convinced it was cocaine. You guys know about Trump’s BFF right?

        Google: Trump Weichselbaum.

        Also, he was caught doing blow by hotel staff earlier this year. He’s on cocaine, guys. It explains a lot.

      • Who ARE These People? says:

        PunkyMomma no kidding, really? Well, hmm. IF this were true, and I’m not even hinting it might be, but IF this were true, what would be the natural trajectory? And why wouldn’t he have been caught/outed by now? And is THAT where the money is going? : )

      • PunkyMomma says:

        All I’m stating is that his head this “sniff” for a while. Chalk it up to seasonal allergies —

      • KittenTime says:

        ETA: I guess the rumor about Trump doing blow in a hotel room was reportedly a hoax. I’m choosing to believe it anyway -_-

      • Lambda says:

        Yup, it was cocaine. Many people say that. Well, I don’t know anything about cocaine, you tell me.

      • KittenTime says:

        @Lambda- LOLOL

      • Sarah says:

        He denied sniffing on “Fox News” this morning. 🙂

      • Tiffany :) says:

        Lambda, lol!!!
        A LOT of people are saying it. Believe me, a lot of people.

      • isabelle says:

        Assumed it was a nervous tick. Something he does when he is being slayed by a woman.

    • Size Does Matter says:

      Maybe we should ask for a drug test with a side of tax returns.

  13. Diana says:

    It’s beyond me how this clown has gotten so far. I am not a Sec. Hillary fan by a mile, but if people can’t see the obvious difference between the two candidates, we’re doomed.
    Uhm, anyone else think that Bil Clinton is umm HOT? wth…I’m only admitting it here on CB because I’ve seen you shameless celebitches drooling over equally as sleazy people (Ethan Hawk springs to mind).

    • Sb says:

      I love me some bubba!

      • Esmom says:

        He has undeniable charisma and intelligence but he does seem frail beyond his years to me now.

      • Christin says:

        Charismatic and smart. Appearance-wise, I think he lost too much weight and that makes him look older.

        If he would strike a happy medium between this new radical diet and the Bubba jogging to McD’s that made a great Phil Hartman (RIP) skit, he’d likely look more robust.

    • Emily says:

      Bill Clinton still looks great, but he made an appearance on The Daily Show a little while back, and my husband and I both thought he seemed really old. Which is fine, he is old, but somehow he acts much older than he looks.

      6 months ago if you had asked me if I was a fan of Hillary I probably would have made a bad face and said no. But in comparison to Donald Trump…well there is no comparison and I’ve turned into a #1 Hillary fan.

      Between not paying taxes and that horrifying commercial with the young girls looking in the mirror while his comments play in the background (which makes me sick to my stomach whenever it comes on), I don’t understand how anyone can vote for Trump.

  14. Helena (original) says:

    She is so fine. Everything about her radiates confidence and competence. She is definitely a polarizing personality, but if she was a man nobody would question her ambition.

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      I think the ‘polarizing personality’ idea comes from how the right wing attacked her for so many years. When you get past what they said, she seems to be someone with a lot of loyal friends and with a lot of good working relationships, including in the other party.

      Someone who radiates competence and confidence doesn’t tend to be a polarizing personality, so it has to be because she is a WOMAN radiating competence and confidence.

      • Annetommy says:

        The pressure she was under must have been horrific. She coped. Go Hillary.

      • Jwoolman says:

        If Hillary manages to win the election, after people have watched her in action for four years – she will have no trouble getting another four years if she wants it. That’s how it is with her, all the garbage gets thrown at her before she gets the job but then people see how hard working and competent and persistent she is and how she actually does listen to others even though she can’t please everyone. People want to feel respected and listened to. I suspect she will be more skilled than Obama in handling Congress. He’s splendid in many ways and I’ll miss him, but I was sometimes wishing that the ghost of LBJ might visit him and give him a few pointers about those infuriating obstructionist Republicans in Congress.

    • Lambda says:

      You’re correct, ‘polarizing personality’ is another way of spelling ‘vagina’.

  15. Tate says:

    The expectations bar was set so low for Trump and he still couldn’t meet it.

    Great job, Hillary! 👍🏻

  16. Neelyo says:

    Rant time: It infuriates me that Trump supporters keep saying he’ll shake things up and take on the establishment. He’s already claimed that the VP will do the real policy work and his VP is as establishment as they get, not to mention a bigoted religious zealot. These idiots need to take a closer look at Pence because he’s the one who will be running the show.

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      Yeah, looking forward to the VP debate. I hope everyone watches it because both presidential candidates are not spring chickens.

    • ab says:

      pence is definitely a snake in the grass. he’s the real problem if god forbid trump makes it all the way.

    • Tiffany :) says:

      It was SO CLEAR last night that he doesn’t know what he is talking about. The foreign policy sections were painful to watch. They just let him babble away, saying words that have no meaning. It made me squirm.

    • Christin says:

      Plus, he brings up her years of EXPERIENCE as if it’s a bad thing. As if she could wave a magic wand the past 30 years and all would be perfect.

      Temperament and experience. That’s what this election boils down to. Not a 10-year beef with Rosie or the many other sidebars (distractions) tossed around last night. And the tax returns are a big deal, and she spelled out why and how the disclosures are not personal tax rate, etc. What’s he hiding?

      • Sarah says:

        That part really ticked me off because in those 30 years, she’s accomplished a lot and she never gets credit for it. She was instrumental in getting health care passed for 9/11 first responders (though it has since been bungled after she left the Senate). She was instrumental in reforming Arkansas’ schools. She got a great adoption law through Congress. And while her health care work back in the ’90s didn’t get anywhere at the time, 1) it was bold and awesome that she tried and 2) it laid the groundwork for the ACA (which works and could work so much better if Republican governors would get out of the way).

        HRC recognizes that working for this kind of change is a long game and she’s put in the legwork for decades to get stuff done. But she can’t actually do it all by herself, despite The Donald’s absurd claims.

  17. grabbyhands says:

    I hope being shown up in the first debate will make the at this stage still head scratchingly undecided voters see how his obnoxious braggart style of discourse in no way qualifies him to be president.

    My fear however, is that all it will do is cause him to be even more unhinged than he has been, which will just make the next debate a platform for his screaming lunacy because he knows that’s all he’s got and that it will get attention AND if he plays it right, he can turn it into a sideshow about how the Washington elites are trying to muzzle him so they can go back to business as usual. I know it’s dumb and you know it’s dumb, but this election cycle has proven that there are apparently a lot of really impressionable people out there.

    Fingers crossed that she is wise and goes back to hard practice for the next debate because I think the next one will be harder for her.

    • Fl girl says:

      I will be surprised if he shows up for the next debate.

      • Carmen says:

        I was thinking that all last night. I bet he will find an excuse to bail on the remaining two.

      • swak says:

        He didn’t want to debate from the beginning, so yeah, he’ll try to bail on the next two.

      • Tiffany :) says:

        I was thinking that too. I wouldn’t be totally surprised if he pulled out of the rest, but that might look like admitting defeat.

      • isabelle says:

        Gulliani says he thinks Cheeto man should sit out of the next debates. So there are people in his circle hinting at it.

    • mia girl says:

      The next debate is a town-hall setting with the audience made up of undecided voters.
      He’s going to have a challenge going super negative and hard in that setting because typically these type of town hall participants react negatively to that kind of attack.
      Usually the undecideds want policy details.

      It will be interesting to see if he tries to get out of attending.

  18. Kate says:

    I mean, she won, but by standard definitions there’s no way she couldn’t have. They could have put a plank of wood on stage and it would have done better than Trump.

    The problem is Trump’s success isn’t based on standard definitions. Yes, he was awful, but in the same ways he has been this entire campaign. Yes, he got caught in some lies, but that happens literally every time he opens his mouth. Yes, he said a ton of stupid, offensive things, but if anything he toned it down considerably. Yes, he has no plans or policies, but no one who’s voting for him cares and it’s actually helping him. If no one can get him to pin down his actual plans, his voters are free to imagine they’ll be plans they fully agree with.

    To really win, not just win by default, she either needed to be so amazing she blew everyone away and made Trump an afterthought, or he needed to completely lose it and get violent in some way. That didn’t happen. She did well, but Trump still got most of the attention. It doesn’t matter that it’s negative attention. They both came and left with the voters they already had, which as this race tightens, just isn’t good enough.

    • I Choose Me says:

      If no one can get him to pin down his actual plans, his voters are free to imagine they’ll be plans they fully agree with.

      Scary how you’ve nailed the mindset of Trump supporters.

      I’m still hoping against hope that he won’t win but bracing myself for a *gulp* Trump presidency.

    • hmmm says:

      She was not aiming for Trump’s cult followers. She was aiming for those who have just begun to become interested in the election and undecideds. This is the beginning of the real campaign when people begin to pay attention.

      Trump may have gotten a lot of negative attention but that only works with his cult followers and MSM stenographers/talking heads. I can’t imagine that display last night turned anyone in his direction. And those undecideds? Really, a lot are leaning one way or the other already or have decided in their heads.

      Most importantly, Hillary got to put forth her vision for America to a massive audience, many who may not have followed the campaign so far. I imagine that was her goal. She wants people to hear and to vote, one way or another. She said so last night.

  19. Abby says:

    I’ll be honest, as a republican (NOT TRUMP SUPPORTER) there’s no way Trump even remotely won. I turned on the debate and he stressed me out. I felt like he was that bullying clown kid in school joking around when asked a question by the teacher.

    My impression of Trump went like this: “And in an interview I gave to the New York Times–which was actually quite flattering, surprisingly–I said, and I really mean this, that the interview I had with Howard Stern, that was quite nice, and light, but I said, when asked about Iran, that it’s the policy the secretary enforced, and she let ISIS come in… But really, I haven’t thought about the topic much.”

    Hillary: “Here’s exactly why I should be president, and what I’m going to do for this country.”

    The manterrupting, the rudeness, the lack of preparedness. There’s no excuse Trump… There’s just no way. That’s not even addressing the racism, bigotry, misogynism. I might not be a fan of Hillary’s policies, but she won me over with AT LEAST her demeanor and preparedness. I can’t tell my family, but I’m with her….

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      Why can’t you tell your family?

      • isabelle says:

        Very common in marriages or families actually. I’m the only liberal in my family and its not worth the anger that follows and useless fights. You will never win when you are the lone vote/voice in the family. Isolation can honestly be a result and it can end up to be very divisive later on.

      • Abby says:

        Like Isabelle said – I don’t want fights. I’ve had lots of discussions about why I think Trump is the scum of the earth and i can’t vote for him. My family doesn’t like him either but they feel like Hillary would be worse (as far as pushing forward the values they want). I’d rather go with someone who will at least do what she says she’ll do, even if it’s not what I want, then someone with no track record of politics and awful character… having good people in his cabinet isn’t a guarantee he won’t throw them out the day after the election. Anyway. I don’t want to fight with anyone, especially my family. I just don’t want Trump to win.

    • nicegirl says:

      It is ok if you want to keep your opinion private, that is one of your rights as an American – but please, please, PLEASE – VOTE.

      • lucy2 says:

        Yes, please vote!
        And I don’t think you will be alone. There are a lot of Republicans saying they can’t vote for Trump and will vote for Hillary, and I think a LOT more feeling that way but not saying it.
        I will be very curious how much of the registered Republican vote she gets.

    • Erinn says:

      I get that. Family can be awful for things like this. I know there are some people I love very much in my family who just can’t stand HRC. We’re Canadian, so it doesn’t matter when it comes down to it.

      At the end of the day – the people voting need to vote for the person who they believe will be able to do the job. Once the vote is cast you can tell family whatever. But as long as you’re not letting them control your conscience/your vote, I think that’s the main thing.

    • Tiffany :) says:

      We’re kind of like family, right?

      • Abby says:

        ha! Yes! Thanks y’all for not jumping on my case! I learn so much from the commenters here, on many more important topics other than which celebrity is breaking up with whom. So thank you all, CBers for being so intelligent!

      • Tiffany :) says:

        I totally agree, Abby, I really value what I have learned from other commenters on CB. There are so many different life lessons that we have accumulated, and we all get to share the wealth (of knowledge)!

        Internet hugs to you!

  20. Lynnie says:

    For some reason I sat next to republicans in my dorm’s tv room during the debate 😪🙄. THAT was interesting lmao. All in all tho I thought Hillary did very well 😊. That part where she was like, “Trumped up trickle down economics” and the bit about going through 11 hearings in response to her “lack of stamina” had everyone’s jaws on the floor lollll. I wish Lester had fact checked the whole audit lie Trump kept repeating though. I agree that’s when Donald began to unravel which was a sight to see.

  21. Looty says:

    I think she may convert a certain segment of his supporters who haven’t really listened to him until now. They think he’s funny. But his hard core won’t care. So everyone else has to get out and vote! Vote early if you need to.

    • Lucy2 says:

      Yes, VOTE! If you are in a swing state, vote. If you are in a state that always goes blue, and you figure it won’t matter if you vote or not, vote. If you are in a red state that never goes blue, and you think your vote won’t matter, vote. VOTE.

    • Carmen says:

      I don’t think she converted many of his supporters but she may have won over a good number of undecideds.

  22. Cannibell says:

    The thing that really spoke volumes was that *he* went into the spin room with the reporters to give them *his* spin on it. Kind of like showing up to hand in your college application so you can personally school the reviewers on your greatness.

    • Naya says:

      Isnt it interesting that his first post debate interview was with Hannity, the same guy he claimed to be his sole witness that he didn’t surport the Iraq invasion even though there is footage of him doing just so. If that doesn’t spell “chummy”, I dont know what does.

      • Kate says:

        He really is a fool. All he has to say is that yes, I initially thought the Iraq War made sense because I believed what our leaders were telling us. I soon realized they were wrong and knew it was a mess. But remember folks, I was a private citizen, just like you. Hillary actually voted for this thing, sending thousands to war and then propped it up for years as part of the established political class. That’s not me.

        Of course his character disorder (and yes, he has a character disorder) won’t allow him to admit a mistake. He has to defend everything he has ever said or done, full force. She knew it, knew how to goad him and let him implode. He’s even on the morning shows today doubling down on the Miss Universe contestant. Talking about how, yes, she was a pill and gained a ton of weight!

        Say goodbye to the suburban female vote you’ve been courting Donald!

  23. Lucy2 says:

    This was the first time he was really tested, forced to answer hard questions (he still didn’t), and held up in comparison to Hillary Clinton . And he failed in a major, major way. The nonsense rambling, the self praise, the contradictions, the flat out lies, the interrupting, and the sniffling. Oh the sniffling . He took the bait and got angry about everything, and then had the gall to claim he had the best temperament! This is not a person who should have any power whatsoever.
    She really hit him with not paying federal taxes, not paying small businesses, and the fact that she was prepared for the debate AND prepared to be POTUS.

    I also love that he kept complaining about her ads, and how they are unfair to him, when they are simply actual clips of him saying horrible things.

    • lilacflowers says:

      I don’t think he actually answered any of the questions.

      • Bonzo says:

        He didn’t!! Mind boggling that he has no plan and just calls names, defends himself and says “WRONG” when confronted with the things he’s said in the past. I can’t believe anyone is voting for this blowhard.

      • KittenTime says:

        He didn’t, but his supporters won’t care. He just repeats the same shit over and over again and nothing he says has anything to do with political policy, feasible or otherwise.

        We have to remember the kind of people he’s speaking to and these are people who don’t generally care much about political policy or politics in general. He doesn’t have to say anything of importance, just stick to the jingoistic taglines, slam Obama at every turn, and shout about the economy and his supporters are eating out of his hand.

    • Christin says:

      I found the ad complaints to be hilarious. It was the perfect opportunity to say, “The ones that feature YOU talking? Those? We’ll have six more ready by week’s end, just from tonight.”

  24. lilacflowers says:

    I wish someone would give me a “small, interest-free” million dollar loan.

    • Emily says:

      After a lifetime of propping you up and sending you to the best schools and giving you the best of everything. It’s like Mitt Romney all over again. Go ahead and be rich, but at least recognize how lucky you are to have been born into it!

      • lilacflowers says:

        Now, are you saying that Mittens wasn’t self-made? Haven’t you read Ann’s Stepford Wife interview in which she details how very, very hard it was for them when they started out but how they toughed it out and persevered and didn’t go on Food Stamps but sold some of their stocks instead? And how she believed the poor should do that too?

    • SusanneToo says:

      That’s when he started to lose it – when Hillary mentioned the money from his father. Loved it!!

      • Christin says:

        Given how he apparently cannot let go of Rosie, I rewatched her View clip from 2006 (the full version – beyond her imitation). She mentioned his bankruptcies and other spot-on observations (including seeming like a snake oil salesman).

        Both Rosie and HC uncovered weak spots by questioning his self-made/successful claims.

      • SusanneToo says:

        I read that when Comedy Central roasted him nothing was off limits EXCEPT his money. Hah!

  25. OSTONE says:

    She ate him alive, plain and simple. She needs to keep bringing it and Tim needs to bring it too. Oh the meltdown of Drumpf, I can start to taste it!

    • Christin says:

      Tim can pepper his performance with his ‘believe me’ imitation. He should be able to mop the floor in that debate.

  26. Mgsota says:

    I think Hillary was amazing. Calm, intelligent and knowledgeable! I was really proud. Trump gets me so angry, that whenever I see him or hear him I just turn into a raging lunatic with the mother of all potty mouths. So to see her handle him so well, really knocked my socks off.

  27. alexis says:

    She’s terrible. I can’t wait until he wins the election after the next debate where she falls and shits her pants suit. Praise kek!

    • Carmen says:

      Really keeping it classy. 🙄

    • Mgsota says:

      She’s terrible in the sense that she’s not a racist, sexist pig and thats what you’re looking for in a candidate?

    • Maya says:

      Oh dear – sorry to break it to you but it was TRUMP who kept sniffing, drinking lots of water, hands shaking and looked scared.

      Hillary bamboozled Trump…

    • doofus says:

      aw, someone wants attention.

    • Sarah says:

      Are you wearing your Brown Shirt as you make these remarks??

    • Tiffany :) says:

      “Praise kek!”

      Isn’t this a white supremacist reference? Just asking to make sure I am correct in my revulsion.

      • swak says:

        @Tiffany 🙂 – never heard of it either, but here is something I found from the website KnowYourMeMe:

        The Cult of Kek, also known as the Church of Kek, is a satirical religion based around the worship of the ancient Egyptian deity Kek[4] (also spelled Kuk or Keku), an androgynous God of darkness and chaos who is often depicted as a frog or frog-headed man in male form or a snake-headed woman in female form. On 4chan, the character Pepe the Frog is often considered a modern avatar of the diety, who uses ancient Egyptian meme magic to influence the world, often by fulfilling the wishes of posts that end in repeating numbers. Additionally, the deity is often associated with the popular 4chan slang term “Kek”, and is often embraced by supporters of 2016 Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump. Practitioners are known to frequently write “praise Kek,” and jokingly refer to the church as a “religion of peace.”

        So Alexis is most likely a Trump supporter.

    • Jaded says:

      Oh Donald, Celebitchy is not the place for you….

    • rudy says:

      Do Not Feed The Troll.

  28. DavidBowie says:

    Snap polls show that people think Trump won the debate…I don’t know what is flipping wrong with these people. Seriously, I’m convinced he really could shoot someone on the streets and people would still vote for his incompetent cheeto a$$.

    • JK3 says:

      What snap polls are you refering to? The breitbart one? Most reputable ones had Clinton winning by a wide margin.

      • Sasha says:

        Are there actually independent polls? Every side has their candidate as a winner.

        Of all the polls I’ve seen I would say time.com is the most middle of the road, though I might be wrong, they had Trump at 60% vs. Hillary at 40% in their online poll.

        But in the end with electoral college system it is only the swing states that matter. We’ll have to wait a couple of days for results impact on those states.

      • Luca76 says:

        It’s not really true that every poll is biased. An online poll is intrinsically inaccurate though. The accuracy of polls depends on the methodology of the pollsters. 538 is a great site because they make an aggregate of several different polls and they are suggesting she won. An online poll is not any kind of scientific poll for what should be obvious reasons.

      • JK3 says:

        This issue with online polls in this day and age is that they’re instantly swarmed by partisans the moment that they go up. Every poll is posted to a central site such as reddit/ r/Donaldtrump, and then the most devout followers skew the polls.

      • Sasha says:

        “Every poll is posted to a central site such as reddit/ r/Donaldtrump, and then the most devout followers skew the polls. ”

        Exactly. If these polls show anything it would be how active a given candidate’s base is.
        But then you have to take into account that no Dem will go on Fox and no Rep will go on MSNBC, so those are just echo chambers. CNN also leans Dem.

        Then you have to realize that even if 20 million people voted in favor of Hillary in a poll but they are all from California, then there are no votes added. California is already going to Hillary, no matter what. The same is true for Trump and Texas.

      • lucy2 says:

        Time.com was showing her as the winner, and then all of a sudden there was a huge jump in Trump votes. Those kind of polls simply can’t be taken seriously.

    • lilacflowers says:

      Colbert made that point last night about Trump being able to commit murder so long as it doesn’t happen on live tv and still getting support.

    • isabelle says:

      No they didn’t. Real polls, scientific polls, say she won, ked by a legitimate polling organization. An online poll on a conservative site where you and your cats can vote don’t count. Nice try Trumper.

  29. Prairiegirl says:

    Dear American friends:
    Her performance last night will be for nothing if you don’t vote for her and get like minded people out to the polls to vote on Election Day. Take a vacation day. Call in sick. Whatever it takes, please drive people to the polls to vote for HRC. Can we send you gas money?
    The Rest of the World

    • swak says:

      Because many schools are polling places here where I live will close for the day. So hopefully that will give the employees more time to vote. I’m debating when I will go as it’s going to be crowded, more so than in the past.

    • Meee says:

      Also, if where you live has Early Voting, request one and vote in the comfort of your own home. You can drop them off at the polls, on Election Day, if you still want the experience of voting there AND you’ll bypass any lines!

      • Christin says:

        Where I live, you can go to a specified early vote polling location (mine is just two miles from my district’s voting location) a couple of weeks prior to Election Day. Usually there are minimal lines (maybe because people don’t realize it’s an option).

    • Tiffany :) says:

      YES to this!

    • prettylights says:

      Where I live you can actually mail in your ballot in advance. It’s obviously not as ‘safe’ a way to vote as going to the polling place, but it is convenient if you can’t get off work or don’t live near a convenient polling location.

  30. Moirrey says:

    What really bothered me was the people cheering when he slammed her about the email server. Like yes, that was a mistake… but it’s nothing compared to the mistakes he has made (with no apology) and the mistakes he WILL assuredly make, should he ever become president. I really hope he loses.

  31. Maya says:

    I am so happy that I was right – my girl Hillary kicked some major racist male chauvinist ar*e and she did it with a smile.

    Hillary finally showed the world that when bullies come face to face with someone who is good, intelligent, well prepared they become scared.

    Hillary didn’t have to do anything except be on point and smile.

  32. molee says:

    Hillary was an elegant fencing master and Trump was a grunting, shouting caveman.

  33. adastraperaspera says:

    Kaiser, you wrote a TREMENDOUS description of the debate!

    Trump: [unintelligible yelling]
    Clinton: [sassy one-liner dismantling Trump’s unhinged lunacy]
    Trump: [interrupts with a lie]
    Clinton: [Thoughtful policy analysis, plan for what she would do as president]
    Trump: [sniffles and gulps water nervously]

    My vote is for Hillary–a person actually qualified to serve as POTUS.

  34. Tiffany says:

    Former Dem. Candidate Howard Dean, MD, started the cocaine trend. Okay, now I like him a little bit bacause my mind went to the flu and my Nelson Muntz point and laugh.

  35. Incredulous says:

    Here in Ireland, everyone I’ve talked to is of the opinion that Hillary won easily enough while letting Trump self-destruct like the immature, narcissistic spoiled child he is, with occasional pokes from a wee stick.

    Except our media which, much like America’s, furrows brow and states “It was close, maybe too close to call” and then wonders why traditional media is dying.

    • lucy2 says:

      I’ve yet to see anyone except the media calling it a tie or “too close to call”. The vast majority of people I’ve seen feel she won, and his diehards claim he did.

    • Christin says:

      I don’t trust polls, including Election Day exit polls (I think they can potentially cause people in later time zones to stay home). Media benefits from the public thinking it’s a tight race.

  36. Sasha says:

    “Seriously, the sniffling thing was… amazing. I can’t wait for the GOP spinners to explain why Trump kept sniffling, messing with his mic, gulping water as his baby hands gripped the water glass, then pouting like his wife. ”

    it is strange to read this . I feel like each side spins the debate their way for all it is worth, hoping to sway the people who didn’t watch it.

    Trump looked fine, his body language and behavior were much better than usual. My guess is people on here haven’t seen him before and have nothing to compare to. Nobody watched Apprentice?

    Hillary was competent, but her body language was awful. My daughter thought Hillary was about to cry. I thought her smirking was a mistake. It was the same one Romney made. And trying to bring up grandkids to soften her image was cringeworthy. Nobody was fooled by it.

    In the end, I think both sides did exactly what their supporters expected them to do. Maybe Hillary got a couple of points ahead by not collapsing. But she didn’t look healthy, regardless of what people say. If she looked even worse before, then that is bad.

    • KittenTime says:

      Nah on NPR they had a political commentator comparing it to Nixon/JFK in terms of Trump’s facial expressions. They even had comments coming in from Republicans saying that Trump f*cked up by looking so angry and scowling through the split screen images.

      I don’t think HRC was amazing last night but she definitely won the facial expressions battle by a longshot.

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      Trump sniffed continually; grimaced, pouted, and made a lot of other inappropriate faces (often looking like he was trying to “look Presidential”), raised his voice inappropriately, interrupted his opponent and the moderately repeatedly, talked over them, and did not answer the questions that he was asked. If this is what he was like on The Apprentice, I’m glad I didn’t watch.

      Clinton’s body language was calm, her face thoughtful and her tone measured. How old is your daughter that she thought she was about to cry? And what smirking, other than to tell the world, “Man, can you believe this asshole? Do you hear what I hear?”

      Though, I suppose, if I were her, after all the public service she has undertaken at the highest levels, having to “debate” someone that ignorant, unprepared and egotistical about taking the most powerful job on the Planet at a critical juncture in planetary history might make me want to cry. And rightly so.

      • Sasha says:

        “Clinton’s body language was calm, her face thoughtful and her tone measured. How old is your daughter that she thought she was about to cry? And what smirking, other than to tell the world, “Man, can you believe this asshole? Do you hear what I hear?””

        My daughter is a teenager.
        And I am not arguing with how you taken in what you saw. Every side is rationalizing in favor of their candidate,
        Since I can’t stand either Hillary or Trump, for different reasons, I think I saw all of their mistakes.

      • KittenTime says:

        I saw nerves, not tears.

    • Sarah says:

      He just denied sniffing on “Fox News.” LOL!

    • Snowflake says:

      Yeah, trump was better than his usual, but that’s setting the bar very low. For someone who wants to be President, he sure didn’t act like it. He repeatedly interrupted her, made faces and noises. She kept a smile on her face and did not get flustered. I would have smirked too, especially when he started trying to backtrack the birther nonsense he started. When he said law and order and stop and frisk would help, I mean that’s b.s. the problem is racist cops not people having guns. He’s just saying the minorities are the problem, not the cops. I have a gun in my car and I’m not a gang banger. Like Hillary said, that stop and frisk is unconstitutional and just an excuse to harass minorities. Anyway, like you said, people are going to make the debate support their candidate. I was so happy they called him out on the birther issue, taxes, and the discriminatory housing practices. Trump was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, daddy gave him $$ to get started. So, IMO, to act like he’s some self made man is a bunch of b.s. . I’m a used car salesperson and Trump reminds me so much of the old school car salesmen customers hate. The people that like Trump want to go back to the old days, with old white men in charge and women being just a trophy. And when it was OK to say the n word.

    • Tiffany :) says:

      She didn’t look healthy?
      You can’t be serious. Her coloring looked great, her posture was perfect and she was next to a man who couldn’t stop stooping, sniffling and drinking water. I think what he said is far more important than whether he has a cold, but it is ABSURD to compare the two and come away thinking that she is the one who looked ill. That was not reality.

    • hmmm says:

      Keep that false equivalence coming.

    • Yeah says:

      Looked healthy to me (my professional opinion as a practicing physician of 25 years) – granted, over the air.

  37. Fire Rabbit says:

    She slayed. And looked like she had fun doing it. Proud of her.
    As for Trump, you know it’s bad when my 12 year old went into giggles everytime Trump started to rant. He said it’s like he has an electronic collar under the tie and his handlers went bzzft-bzzft everytime he tried to go rogue.

  38. Sarah says:

    On Fox, he just denied he even sniffed. LOL!

    • KittenTime says:

      This is what he does. Remember his hysterical comment last night questioning HRC’s temperament? This man wouldn’t have gotten as far as he has without a deep commitment to delusion and denial.

      • One of my favorite tweets about this Landolier’s year of a Presidential Election is:

        “One day Trump will look directly into a camera and say without blinking that he never tried to run for office”

        And that sums it up. A narcissist who’s only defense is going, “No I didn’t.” whenever he’s challenged.

      • KittenTime says:

        LOL Exactly.

      • mia girl says:

        He just said on Fox and Friends that in the CBS poll showed he won last night.

        Major Garrett of CBS tweeted: ‏

        @MajorCBS · 2h2 hours ago
        On @foxandfriends @realDonaldTrump said he won a @CBSNews post-debate poll. We did not conduct a post-debate poll.

      • KittenTime says:

        LOL I saw that Mia Girl.

        I just finally blocked a Bernie Bro on my FB who claims he doesn’t like Trump but RELENTLESSLY posts derogatory and insulting memes about HRC. He just posted a link with the heading that said Trump won by a “landslide” but the poll says 51% to 48%. I just CANNOT with supposed Sanders-supporters who spend every waking minute criticizing HRC and not Trump.

      • Shark Bait says:

        Ugh Kitten I’ve got like five of those kind on my fb. They are now all big Gary Johnson supporters even though Sanders has stated explicitly to avoid voting third party to repeat a Nader 2000 situation. And my husband’s second cousin is 20 and can vote in her first election, but is so so sad that she has to “vote between two evil corrupt people who will ruin the country.” Someone told her Hillary is the best option she has. She answers back that she will “never ever ever vote for Clinton” and that she is voting third party (Johnson I’m sure). This girl was also a huge Bernie or Buster.

        I voted Bernie in the primary and I am heeding his advice and voting Hillary. I was swayed by the lies and propaganda about her and I am ashamed of that. I just CANNOT with these Bernie or Busters who are now Johnson Bros.

      • Alarmjaguar says:

        Kitten, I hear you! My mom is a big Hillary person and was (wo)manning the Democratic booth at the county fair, the Republicans were there (with a gun at their booth, good times), but she said that there was a booth with Bernie supporters who were being horrible to her — she’s a 74 year old lady, btw. They were saying nasty things about HRC and anyone who would vote for her. She pointed out that Bernie has endorsed her and is actually campaigning for her, but they haven’t given up the dream. It was pretty incredible.

  39. Jess says:

    I’m a Clinton supporter and thought she won but didn’t do enough to sway any of his supporters. Meanwhile, I was pleasantly surprised by Holt’s performance. All of the moderators get bullied by the candidates but he actually called Trump on his lies and pressed him on his BS. I really hope Lauer feels embarrassed this morning.

    • Tiffany says:

      Other comment I read said he was horrible but thought he did well too. He has a thick skin and more than held his own. I thought that he was just controling not screaming at a Presidential candidate, no matter how much he deserved it. He went first as moderator, there were going to be scarring.

    • Sarah says:

      She will never get his racist, sexist supporters. How do I know? They are in my family. She is trying to get those moderate Republicans, especially women, who don’t like bullying blowhards and carnival barkers, both of which he was in spades last night.

      • MC2 says:

        This is an important point. She will not win certain people & shouldn’t even try imo. Obama was never going to win the racist vote & Hillary won’t either. She also has the vagina thing going against her too. She needs to focus on the moderates and the Bernie people.

      • Shark Bait says:

        Yup. The Trump supporters in my family are really upset that Lester brought up “the birther stuff” and want to know why he didn’t ask about the emails of Benghazi. Oh and why was Hillary dressed in all red like the devil??

        These are the kind of people you are dealing with.

    • isabelle says:

      His supporters wouldn’t sway if he came out in a brown shirt with a swastika on his arm. She needed to sway independents and her real goal, millennials & more women. She doesn’t need his supporters to win.

  40. Sparkle says:

    I’m just here to say how much I love the title of this article!!

  41. Cee says:

    She was amazing. All the shit thrown at her and she kept her composure, her smile, and her answers and comments were intelligent.

    She is a million times better than Donald Trump the oompa loompa.

  42. Kate says:

    People saying she slayed, or killed it, or demolished him…what exactly stood out to you? Just to be clear, I’m very much a Dem, but I didn’t see anything in her performance that was great. Just serviceable. Which is plenty against a man who rarely manages to string two coherent sentences together, but if that’s the benchmark for slaying I don’t think that word holds any meaning anymore.

    If she’d been debating McCain, or even Romney, would anyone be saying she slayed? Her performance reminded me a lot of Gore, Kerry and Biden in the VP debates. She did fine, scored some points with her core voters by smirking at her opponent, but there were no ‘wow’ moments. Her best quote was ‘I’ve been preparing to be President’, and the fact that that was the big fist pump moment just shows how incredibly low the bar was.

    • Luca76 says:

      But she wasn’t debating McCain or any of the others you mentioned. And what might have worked against one of them wouldn’t have worked with Trump. Did you watch the Republican debates? Trump trounced other republicans by baiting them and humiliating them. She kept her calm and stood her ground and she landed more than one deathly blow. She used facts like his 14 million dollar loan from Dad, and the probability that he doesn’t pay taxes , and the fact that he doesn’t pay vendors and let him hang himself.

      • Annetommy says:

        Yes, it’s actually quite difficult trying to debate against Trump, normal rules don’t apply, I think she got the technique right.

      • popup says:

        Right on. Besides winning at the substantive level (which I don’t think is what will win the election for her), this was a stylistic win for Hillary. Trump won against his Republican opponents by dragging them down to his level and making them look ridiculous for engaging with him. Hillary stood her ground and refused to adopt or react to his debate style, which is to insult and deny. She won because she was not ruffled by him and instead she ruffled HIS feathers and he was a blithering mess by the end of the debate. She looked presidential. He didn’t. And that counts for a whole lot, especially among low-information, undecided voters.

    • Jaded says:

      When you’re debating against a truculent, cheeto-dusted two-year old you have to approach them a different way. She did the right thing by remaining on point and not letting his tantrums undermine her poise.

    • hmmm says:

      “scored some points with her core voters by smirking at her opponent”

      This is what you got out of it? Way to diss her core supporters as shallow and Trumplike. Way to deflect from the present into some fanciful alternative universe *that isn’t happening*.

      She offered a substantive vision against great odds dealing with a 3 year old’s tantrums and pathological lying and baiting. She challenged him on many points and he came up empty- he had his chance. What would it take to demolish anyone? She demolished TRUMP. That’s all there is. It’s a judgement call and a lot of people judged that she slayed not only on substance but in dominating him, somthing 16 other guys couldn’t do. It certainly wasn’t her supposed ‘smirk’ that did it.

  43. original kay says:

    I thought Lester did a fine job. He gave Trump the rope and let it do it’s work for him.

    Hillary was nothing short of stupendous.

    I cannot wait until Trump tries to take on Anderson Cooper, someone also born to extreme privilege but used his influence to help people, all over the globe.

    I enjoy listening and watching Hillary. I think she has a good sense of comedic timing, thinks so fast on feet, and genuinely wants to be President.

  44. estella says:

    Raise the minimum wage.

    Provide 12 weeks of paid parental leave.

    Streamline regulations for small businesses.

    Ensure that the wealthiest of the wealthiest pay their fair share of taxes.

    Work with our allies on common goals.

    • Lambda says:

      Yasss! I mean, the woman had concrete stuff to talk about. I have the feeling we’re talking too much about facial expressions and nasal fluids, though it is fun.

      My favorite moment was when she assured our foreign allies that America will keep its commitments and word. She was presidential AF, though how sad it is that it must be reiterated. The thought of Trump treating global security as a business made me retch.

      PS, has anybody called Sean Hannity yet?

  45. nicegirl says:

    Do you guys really think he is using cocaine? I have never used it, and it has been years since I have been close with/known someone (with my knowledge!) on the drug. However, I have heard of the cocaine nose sniffing problem . . .

    more info welcomed

    • KittenTime says:

      I mean I don’t know but it would not surprise me. He had a LOT of the telltale signs of someone on blow.

      I could see him snorting it before the debate just to get himself pumped up to go into battle. I mean. he’s a 70 year old man trying to keep pace with an intensive political campaign and touring schedule. If he was tired and not feeling up for the debate, coke would definitely help to get him fired up.
      Who knows…
      Anyway, he’s had a pretty checkered connection with cocaine throughout his life so it wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibilities.

    • arock says:

      if youve ever been around people on cocaine – they always have VERY specific plans for the future. i think its blind stupidity and ego

    • isabelle says:

      No. think he has some ticks, and snorting is one of them. He was raging on the inside and think the sniffing was a tick that showed it. He was also took a sip of right to shut himself up. I have a co-worker that does it all the time, when she bothered or trying to keep her mouth shut, she will drink water. Her tell sign, think those were Dons tell signs.

      • Kitten says:

        Yeah I was thinking it could just be his usual red-faced rage. But the cocaine thing is more fun, though.

    • TotallyBiased says:

      Could be sudafed, could be coke. I’ve seen people presenting the same on either. But if it is coke, that is one 70-year old man that better watch it! Combined with his excess upholstery in the hazard areas and the stressful manner in which he conducts his life, he is playing a dangerous game. IF it is coke. Or other stimulant (there are other possibilities. And a combination of dry mouth and snuffles could indicate some of them.)

  46. Bethie says:

    She slayed.

  47. Parisk8s says:

    She seems cold and detached, she should work on not appearing nervous and she should work on remaining calm. Seriously? The woman cant win. I didnt see her as cold or detached. I saw her happy to watch Trump make a fool of himself while she remained calm, poised, and in control. Im not a hillary fan but that may change because wow she was killing it.

  48. Annetommy says:

    Doesn’t matter if you’re a fan as long as you vote for her, even if it’s just to keep Trump out. But glad she impressed.

  49. Annetommy says:

    And only Kaiser has mentioned it, but on a shallow note, Hillary looked terrific. Make up and jewellery spot on too. It shouldn’t matter but it does, and she’s on the money with it.

    • Snowflake says:

      She looked fantastic. Healthy, pretty and well put together. I like the red pantsuit, ffs, there nothing wrong with a pantsuit. I think ask the unhealthy stuff is just spin to make it seem like she’s too unhealthy to be President.

    • doofus says:

      when I had the good fortune of meeting her, one of the things that surprised me (and I scolded myself for being so shallow) was how beautiful she looks in person.

      I never thought she was “ugly” by any means, but would describe her as “handsome” or simply “attractive” but that day I met her, she did look beautiful.

      • Lilacflowers says:

        I thought the same thing – this is a very pretty woman. She was also quite personable, friendly, and funny. This is a woman I want to have a glass of wine with. I don’t like beer.

      • popup says:

        I remember I was having a conversation with one of my staunch Republican friends in college one day and being shocked when she moaned about how ugly Hillary was. Shocked because I think Hillary’s bone structure is actually quite attractive, and secondly, because I thought my friend was a progressive feminist despite her Republican leanings (she’s left most of that behind in her adulthood). Just goes to show how well misogyny worked itself into the anti-Hillary narrative.

    • arock says:

      a tweet- hillary came dressed in the blood of a million men who doubted her.

  50. Youngster says:

    I’m a Canadian and can’t vote as well but I watched the debate and I think Hilary slayed. But like someone pointed out above that there is an uncomfortable number of ppl who support trump regardless of the ridiculous things he says ! And most of the time he doesn’t say anything ! He talks in circles repeating things like: I built a great business. It’s great. Fantastic. The best. Ugh ! I can’t stand him. I truly hope this election doesn’t become a brexit vote where ppl regret their decision the moment after the vote is in.

  51. Frosty says:

    LOL Cheeto Fail

  52. K says:

    I have to be honest I don’t care about Trump losing his base those nutters are locked in they don’t think he can do anything wrong.

    What I care about is that Hillary was able to do what she had to do to motivate the Obama coalition. I hope she did that when she spoke about her Criminal Justice reform plans, implicit bias, education and her economic plans especially in contrast to Trump.

    I also hope she motivated undecided voters and Gary Johnson voters with her knowledge of foreign policy, her preparedness and decorum.

    The Trump loonies are the Trump loonies they will vote for him if he set the stage on fire they don’t matter they aren’t enough to get him elected IF AND BIG IF Hillary motivates young people, African Americans, Latinos, Asian Americans, and women to turn out and vote for her. If she doesn’t he wins with the loonies. Those groups have to turn out in the number they did for Obama.

  53. The Original G says:

    Unfortunately, if you’re not already sold on one of these two, there’s not much different from where they’ve been the last year. I don’t think she moved the needle she needs to move. He’s selling different product from her and I don’t think he lost anything.

    • B n A fn says:

      He’s never going to lose his base, as he says, if he shoot someone in the middle of 5th Ave in NYC his base would still vote for him. I believe what he did not do is expand his base.

  54. Ana says:

    The fight is not over! We have to go out there to make sure Trump doesn’t win. He is trending on Twitter right now as #TrumpWon.

    • Tiffany says:

      That hashtag is not for the reasons he thinks.

    • MC2 says:

      Denise Ingram (?) tweeted: Hitler said, “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” Hence the #TrumpWon hashtag this morning.

      • Sasha says:

        ““If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.”

        Nazi had a propaganda machine so far ahead of its time. Sometimes I feel we protect ourselves too much, shortchange ourselves, by refusing to read Hitler, Lenin, Machiavelli etc. Some people even think reading Marx is practically evil worshipping.
        We should read those books so that we can see the methods they use.
        Practically every populist politician of the modern time has used Nazi propaganda methods.
        Come to think of it , mainstream US media is doing the same. The 24-48 endless repetition news cycle, who do you think invented it?

        it works.
        And people are oblivious to what is being done to them.

    • K says:

      From what I’ve seen that is a joke hashtag. Honestly all that matters is people vote, who cares about social media what matters is that the key demographics she needs vote if they don’t she will lose. Because his angry uneducated white men are motivated and will vote so all that matters is people who love this country stop him by voting.

      • Ana says:

        Social Media helped Obama won. A. Lot. It is a great tool and that’s the way to raise awareness, especially for young people! Don’t discount the social media.

      • K says:

        I’m not discounting social media but which is why I’m glad Hillary is using it but a hashtag won’t get you a job voting will.

        So people need to worry less about what is trending as a joke and motivate their friends to vote, they need to talk to people about why they need to vote and why their vote matters not matter the state.

        Yes social media is important and it matters but voting is the most important. Hillary has to get the Obama colliation

  55. Triple Cardinal says:

    i was impressed by Hillary, entertained in a loose-cannon way by Trump and irritated by Holt. He let Trump interrupt Hillary and dictate the use of time, and he let Trump ignore his instructions and blather over him repeatedly. Very disappointed that Holt wasn’t more forceful and in control.

    First Lauer and now Holt. Please let’s get Rachel Maddow or Joy Reid in there next time.

    • B n A fn says:

      Holt did not stop Trump from interrupting because, imo, he wanted trump to be himself. Trump being himself showed the bully he is. He disrespected HC and Mr Holt. I’m happy Trump showed all who he really is and it wasn’t pretty. Sniff, sniff, gulp, gulp.

      • NGBoston says:

        My only complaint with Holt (and overall he did an excellent job) was that he was hired solely to be a Moderator—not a fact checker. Hillary had some half-truths as well…and Trump just straight up either stayed in denial or lied about previous statements.

        When Trump finally busted a gasket, I loved loved loved the way HRC simply laughed at him and went, “Oh, OK then!!” It was perfect.

        I think she does have a lovely smile and should use it more often. Superior debater (she is/was a Lawyer afterall) and extremely intelligent lady. With plenty of stamina and grit at her age. Trump was a fool to attempt to call her out on that one.

        Also, I will always respect and admire HRC for her initial attempts to fix the American Health Care Format when she was FLOTUS. She was paid very little attention to which was not fair. Speaking of not fair- when she ran against BO–did she even get a fair shot? I think not, and it’s because she is female.

        Yes, she did put hundreds of cracks in that glass ceiling. Thank you for that, too HRC. It is such a pity that so much else of how she operates and what she stands for is corrupt, greedy and illegal. How can she claim she is fighting for Middle Class America when she is in the top 1% herself?? Same with anyone else running bc most are all millionares.

      • Tate says:

        @ B n A I completely agree. He interrupted her 51 times and she handled it perfectly.

  56. Jayna says:

    Hillary has a great smile, and it came in handy a few times last night dealing with Trump.

    For the cocaine comments, no way would Trump do cocaine. He’s never even had a drink of alcohol.

  57. Pandy says:

    Best part was when Donald promised to make other countries start paying for US muscle!!!! The Goon Squad. Imagine having to stop a debate to note that America will honor existing treaties …

    I can’t believe that the US actually has this buffoon as a contender for POTUS. You couldn’t script this! It’s the most frightening joke out there …

    • TotallyBiased says:

      Clear sign he is so unprepared that he’s never even looked at our SOFA (Status of Forces Agreements) with Japan, Korea, and Germany–those countries actually already pay a considerable amount for the ‘privilege’ of having our troops stationed there!

  58. NGBoston says:

    HRC definetly won the debate on points, completely destroyed Trump and left him flustered. She rattled his cage and kept rattling. She once again let Trump’s ego and NPD sabotage himself and have Trump embarrass himself in front of over 100 Million viewers.

    With that being said, and IMOO- I still do not ever wish to see another Bush or Clinton at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave again in my lifetime. Would much rather have Barack and Michelle Obama extend their tenure.

    As a College Educated woman, I can not in good conscience vote for HRC mainly because I believe her to be untrustworthy and corrupt as hell. I know I will get slaughtered here for my beliefs, or the Moderater may delete my post…again it is only my opinion.

    For the record, I will not be voting for the Uber-Cheeto Sexist/Madman as well. He is the worst and most dangerous alternative out of the two.

    What pains me the most about a decision like this is that I would love nothing more than to have the first female POTUS elected in to office. I just can’t with HRC (and for the record, I voted for Bill twice! But Slick Willy is not Hillary.)

    I could go on all day and list all of the reasons as an Independent HRC will not get my vote, and truthfully there are even more reasons why THE DONALD will not ever have me do anything but laugh at his audacity.

    I’m going either Green Party (which is a wasted vote) or not voting at all for the very first time since I was 18 y.o (which is awful.)

    //End of Rant//

    • Veronica says:

      Fellow independent here, honestly curious why you think HRC is more corrupt than others who have come before in her field. I’ve looked into some of the charges against her, and some were exaggerated or no worse than I expected from a career politician. Not being contrarian on this point – I’m just asking what specific examples really put you off from voting for her.

    • Tate says:

      I hope you can live with yourself if Trumps wins. Seriously, this man is dangerous and the polls are tight. I will be running, not walking to the polls to cast my vote for Hillary.

      • NGBoston says:

        @Tate. I will be able to live with myself just fine because:

        1) Hillary Clinton will be the next POTUS and she is far more experienced and capable than DT will ever be in the political arena. I can accept that.

        2) The polls mean nothing. All the black or white noise from the MSM is not what will decide who wins, it simply comes down to the most number of delegates. NH will be an important/swing State, do not think Trump will win there although it may be close.

        And, last, but certainly not least:

        Why should I vote for either candidate when I do not like either one of them or what they stand for? FYI, we all may be biting our nails to the quick on election night because my Banker, Clients and even at my Hair Salon–you would be surprised at how many educated, well informed people feel the same way I do and are saying the same thing. They are equally as disgusted with the entire election and will not be voting for either as well.

        So it is going to depend on what demographic of folks actually show up and vote. My belief is that the Uber-Cheeto has literally screwed himself over with his ego, explosive temper, racist rantings and anger management issues. He is not Presidential material, hell- is he even sane? He is a legend in his own mind.

        That’s all I got. He is not going to win so I am banking on that and that most Americans share the same thought process.


      • Annetommy says:

        That is an extraordinarily dangerous position to take in current circumstances NG. You are “banking” on that? Highly irresponsible. See how far taking the high moral ground gets you if Trump wins.

    • Jwoolman says:

      Well, you’re kind of stuck. If Hillary is not in the White House next January – Donald will be. So you have to decide if you want to help Trump get to be President or not. Sitting it out or voting third party this time around just increases the odds of a President Trump.

      It’s an unusual election. Ordinarily I’m all in favor of voting third party, but now too much is at stake. Do we allow an impulsive and ignorant man have access to the nuclear missile launch codes or not? He can mess us up in many other ways in his relentless pursuit of the Almighty Dollar and his dismissal of Constitutional rights and the hatreds he displays and encourages. But if he gets to be POTUS – he can do an immense amount of harm to us and everyone in the world as well as other animals living on the planet. Nuclear weapons are not like snowballs. They cause problems on a very long timescale and backfire on the user. Between the radioactive fallout and the dust kicked up and worldwide weather patterns – we all will be affected. Even the explosions at one power plant at Chernobyl affected much of Europe and even bird populations in the USA (and probably more, but birds are well monitored so the effect was documented). One volcano explosion far away in much earlier times caused the Year Without A Summer here, which affected crops. Trump, with no need for Congressional approval, can in a short time make large areas uninhabitable and no longer suitable for cultivation as well as directly and indirectly killing huge numbers of people here and elsewhere. And that’s even if by some miracle there is no retaliation.

      There is no way Hillary Clinton would do as much damage, even if everything the Republicans claim about her were true. She is sane and not impulsive and is astronomically less likely to launch those missiles. We will survive her Presidency. I am a physicist and a chemist and know too much about nuclear bombs and missiles and radiation, and am seriously worried that we might not survive Trump.

      • NGBoston says:

        @ JWoolman- Yes, I agree with what you posted about being stuck and have had thought it through to the exact same status which you desribed.

        Frankly, I will not vote Green Party. Also I’m aware that copping out and not casting a vote at all is the lazy way out, period.

        Should those of us who are in the same
        position be labeled as irresponsible? I think that’s a little harsh but I understand the statement.

        In closing , I must state that I fully realize the best option is to go against my personal beliefs and vote for HRC to avoid the chance of DT being POTUS. I would rather chew tinfoil or have my fingernails removed but it is not, however, out of the question.

  59. Cinderella says:

    This is what I learned from Trump last night…1) You can’t be president unless you look like Martin Sheen 2) If you weigh 400 lbs, you’re probably a lonely computer hacker 3) Tax returns tell us nothing about a person’s financial status 4) You’re an expert on inner city crime if you own a building there 5) Only stupid people pay taxes.

    Hilary mopped the floor with him.

  60. Giddy says:

    Was Trump not aware that there would be a split screen the whole time? HRC remained poised and calm when he was the focus. But when she was answering a question he made faces, twitched, drank water obsessively, and sniffed and snorted. To be fair, he sniffed and snorted while he answered also. Is he on coke? And he really shouldn’t have brought up stamina when he seemed to fold half or three fourths of the way through. (Loved her answer though about her very strenuous activities as Secretary of State.) I have to be honest, I don’t understand those who support Trump or who plan to vote for Johnson or abstain. They might not like HRC, but can’t they see the danger of throwing the election to DT? Even if you can’t stand Hillary, please think about what a Trump presidency would be like, and hold your nose and vote for her.

    • Jwoolman says:

      It’s also a mistake to think it’s all right to sit this one out because Hillary is going to win anyway. There is absolutely no guarantee of that. Anything can happen and American voters are notorious for waiting until they’re in the voting booth before deciding who to vote for. A significant number of voters care only about fleeting images and don’t understand or care about complicated issues. Plus there are serious attempts to keep people who do care from voting, and there are also problems with those hackable machines.

      Hillary needs to outrun the hackers and voter harassers and any sudden events that can scare the uninformed into voting for Trump. ISIS wants him to win, he’s too great for recruiting to lose… And his talk of blasting ISIS is just bluster, he’s too easily influenced by money and will cut deals when he can. Putin wants him to win, since he will let Putin do whatever what Putin wants in Europe. These are people quite willing to take drastic action to influence a foreign election. And they don’t want President Hillary Clinton. They know her from her days as Secretary of State. They won’t be able to manipulate her.

  61. rudy says:

    Apparently Hillary blew it out of the park.
    If she was a he, the election would be over by now.
    There is one place WE can make a difference:

  62. Ima says:

    He showed up uninformed and unprepared because that’s how little respect he has for his supporters. And then he tried to blame the mic. He throws tantrums and beats his chest instead of learning about the world and our domestic issues in any meaningful way.

  63. Dirty Martini says:

    He is a complete and utter buffoon, She is a liar and a crook. Most of their respective supporters cannot extoll their virtues beyond sound bites (“he’s a successful business man and a Washington outsider”, “she’s been preparing to be president with her massive experience”) but instead deflect real and valid criticism by deflecting back to the opponent with an attitude of “at least he/she isn’t him/he”.

    And yes I opened this post with sound bites as well. Because as a nation our attention span is approximately equal to the length of a piss.

    No one who watched last pm changed their opinion about the other one. We knew he’d unhinge (actually he didn’t unhinge as bad as I thought he would, yet he unhinged plenty). We knew she’d avoid-addressing the matters that have caused significant distrust –deleted emails, the shady foundation ties to Saudi Arabia, Etc.

    This election is a cluster F€@K and we are screwed.

    • Jaded says:

      Who pissed in your cornflakes this morning?

    • B n A fn says:

      You maybe screwed, #63, but imo we are not “screwed” unless the uninformed vote for the buffoon Trump. Hillary is not a bigger liar than Trump. Trump lies every three minutes do your homework. Anyway, we are all entitled to our opinions.

      Trump was so unprepared for this debate it was not funny. Anyone who believes this man has the capacity to be intelligent to follow a plan to the end to defeat ISIS is smoking something funny.

      • Dirty Martini says:

        @jaded. It is undeniable that every freakin poll says that these are the 2 most hated presidential candidates of all time. And with good reason.

        If someone did piss in my Wheatlies–he’d respond by telling me that he’s rich, he’s wonderful, and he’s going to make America great too.

        She’d respond by saying it didn’t really happen and that it’s all part of some vast right wing conspiracy.

        Meanwhile I’ll be tossing my cookies.

        @ B n A. I completely agree about Trump. He’s an idiot and a buffoon and a blow hard. No where have you seen me praise him, I’m voting 3rd party.

      • Lambda says:

        But the ‘third party’ is either what’s-her-face Mother Gaia who probably thinks one should treat cancer with tree bark or Gary Johnson, who’s a moron (what is Aleppo again?, asks the man who wants to be commander in chief). Swell. Good job.

      • Annetommy says:

        Lambda, tree bark! 😄 A third party vote this year is a cop out. And they aren’t impressive anyway.

    • TotallyBiased says:

      Dirty Martini– “She is a liar and a crook”: evidence, please? Real receipts, not GOP kool-aid, I mean talking points/smear campaign.

      “We knew she’d avoid-addressing the matters that have caused significant distrust –deleted emails, the shady foundation ties to Saudi Arabia, Etc.”

      Her emails have been thoroughly investigated. Even Colin Powell stated she did nothing more than he did as SoS, and we have evidence of MILLIONS of deleted Bush emails.
      The Clinton Foundation has a substantial track record of positive efforts. She has never received money from it, UNLIKE Trump who used Trump Foundation funds to pay fines for his private, commercial enterprises.

      Saudi connections? Are these more substantial than Trump and his Putin relationship?
      “The Former first lady played no role in the foundation while she was secretary of state.
      …Further, she did not blink before standing up to countries that oppressed their people and denied them of their rights, from LGBT rights to women’s rights,
      ***Saudi Arabia did not give to the foundation while Secretary Clinton was at the State Department.***”

      Saudi Arabian nationals have not donated since before 2008 and after (much smaller amounts) Clinton left the SoS office. Interestingly, they donated roughly the same amount to George Bush’ presidential library fund. In case you were wondering.

  64. CHamilton says:

    I am a 40 something college educated minority woman small business owner and I am voting for Trump. I am socially liberal, fiscally conservative. I cannot in good conscience vote for HRC. I believe her to be one of the most corrupt politicians of our era. Yes I think Trump is an egotistical braggart. But the fact of the matter is he knows how to run a successful business and despite his bankruptcies has tenacity where many would have given up. This county’s deficit and spending are apalling. We need someone with his background to change that. I also think, like his businesses, he will staff the government with experienced capable people. He owes no one political favors or jobs. He is an outsider. A strong supporter of the 2nd amendment. And before anyone jumps down my throat about that one, my husband is in the military and has been deployed 4 times. He is also voting for Trump and believes we need someone like him to stand up to ISIS.

    • kar says:

      LOL only because he owes Russia all his political favours and jobs! And I have absolutely nothing else to add other than oh my days am I glad that I am not American (although this election will impact us all in so many ways, so screwed nonetheless).

    • hmmm says:

      So, you bought the lies. Why would you do that? If he wins, they’ll come for you first. He not only is a braggart but a RACIST who hitched his star to WHITE SUPREMACISTS and you will find yourself a very special minority. Frankly, I don’t believe you are who you say you are. You tick too many authoritative boxes. You back a party and a leader who thrives on and foments baseless hatred. Which makes anyone who votes for/enables him racist, misogynistic and filled with hate.

    • Tash says:

      He knows how to run a successful business?!?! For start, google how many times he filed for bankruptcy. Go ahead, drink the purple Kool-Aid.
      Also, why does your husband think Trump would be better at fighting ISIS? I truly want to know.

    • SusanneToo says:

      I certainly hope you don’t cheat the people who do work for you, the way Trump routinely cheats people.

    • TotallyBiased says:

      That is unfortunate about your husband–I was deployed several times, and all I can see is how Trump will betray the military and veterans. Given his military school shenanigans and how he avoided service, how he has disrespected soldiers and their families, I am particularly shocked that your husband thinks he would have any strategic ability against Isis. He has no clue how to treat troops, provide for them, support them successfully, or motivate them.

      As for Trump’s “successful” businesses, posters above have pointed this out: how is a business successful if bills aren’t paid, jobs are sent overseas, and the business STILL winds up in bankruptcy? Multiple times.

      But frankly, CHamilton, I don’t believe you are real. I think you are a sock-puppet with keywords programmed in to your description. Hope they are paying you well for betraying your country and your fellow Americans. Because nothing about your collective adjectives makes it at all likely you could possibly support Trump. You should have left a few out.

      • Shark Bait says:

        I think it’s a sock puppet account, too, but I have seen quite a few military and law enforcement spouses loudly and openly support Trump. Honestly they would be hounded and castigated for openly supporting Hillary. Many of these people are minorities, too. This person, however, is using too many talking points to be real.

    • Tate says:

      As a small business owner, Trump is exactly the kind of guy you should stay away from. He loves to hire small businesses and then screw them over when it is time to pay up. He knows they can’t afford to bring him to court. That is the kind of person you are voting for.

      • Keaton says:

        THANK YOU @Tate! One of the reason I DON’T support Trump is because I’m a small business owner. He’s a conman that uses his relative power and money to screw over small business people. He knows it’s not worth their time or money to fight him in court so he “renegotiates” down the price after they complete their work. That’s not standard business practice. That’s not being a smart businessman. That’s being a dirty businessman.
        I’m sorry @CHamilton but you are either a troll or grossly misinformed. Mike Bloomberg was 100% right about Trump. He’s a conman. You guys are getting suckered.

    • Beau Kitty says:

      If you are college educated and a business owner, then you will have no problem doing your research and making an informed decision about this election. Start with fact checking the things Trumps says, particularly about minorities and women. Then know that we know you’re very likely borderline trolling. 😉

  65. isabelle says:

    Trump probably gave the worst debate performance I’ve seen in my lifetime, Al Gore you have been dethroned. All joking aside he said a lot of scary things last night that got lost in the awfulness of it.

    1) Basically taking guns away from bad people, aka, he sai this during the race question. So doe she mean to take guns away from minorities? Cause that is exactly what it sounded like
    2) Saying blowing up a ship wouldn’t cause a war, a big holy goats, he knows nothing
    3) he had no idea what Obama policy was on First strike, he didn’t even know what it was and basically tried to change the question.
    4)believing the 2nd amendment is really for whites only. If you really listen to his answers says it OK to stop and frisk in minority areas
    5) OK’ed committing a war crime by going in and force taking oil from another country.

    In all of his buffoonery those things stood out to me and scare me shi*tless at the thought of him getting into office. The media needs to focus on some of the downright dangerous unconstitutional things he said last night, instead of going on about how he lost.

  66. AG-UK says:

    My husband mentioned how he read in the NY Times I think when it was Gore/Bush Gore seemed to be in the lead ala Trump or close made
    Faces when Bush spoke at the debate sort of dismissed him and many turned on him see how it ended. If we can be so lucky. My ballot comes next week will be walking it to the post office.

  67. Keaton says:

    The expectations for Trump were SUPER low.
    He just needed to sound semi-competent, semi-rational and keep cool but he couldn’t even manage that. He was without a doubt TERRIBLE.

    If I was a Trump supporter I’d be pissed as hell because it’s clear he didn’t bother to prepare for the debate at all. It was so insulting. He basically spat in their faces but they’re so consumed by Clinton/Obama/GOP Establishment Derangement Syndrome to even care. They’re too busy rallying to online polls and tweeting #TrumpWon to consider how little regard this man has for them or the American people as a whole. He made W and Sarah Palin look brilliant in comparison – that is how BAD his debate performance was. I’m shocked that people are really willing to accept this grossly incompetent, rude, vulgarian, personality disordered bully as commander and chief. It’s truly embarrassing.

    But having said that, I guess it speaks to how dissatisfied many Americans (largely white, male, no college degree Americans) are now. The support for Trump disgusts me but we really need to seriously look at what is driving it: Fear of immigration? Hatred of globalization? Racism (or at best – complete apathy to racial injustice in this country) It’s messed up.

    Say what you will about Hillary but she was cool as a cucumber and sounded extremely knowledgeable. Trump was pathetic in comparison.

  68. Beau Kitty says:

    Well I do not share the enthusiasm laced view that HRC won. Don’t get me wrong. She did ok, but just ok. Trump was awful, giving us the usual yelling, lying and racist rhetoric that won him over with the uneducated (policy wise); white supremacists; and closet hatemongers nation wide. He lost, but not because HRC decimated him. She is obviously the best choice for President, miles and beyond Trump, but if he can get this far, he can win. And that is a troubling thought.

    • Justjj says:

      I agree. I think Hillary did a great job but I also think people are stupid and I think it’s very troubling that there is even argument over who “won” and it’s disturbing that so many Trump supporters see him as victorious. Honestly? To vote for Trump at this point is to proudly pronounce yourself a misogynistic, racist, bigot, who is either very uniformed, or a rich greedy asshat.

  69. Carmen says:

    Several news outlets are reporting that a massive group of Trump trolls have been busted for attempting to rig the online polls immediately after last night’s debate. Why am I not surprised?

  70. Soror Bro says:

    Now we’ll have to wait a couple of days to see what affect it has had on voting intentions.

  71. Ennie says:

    Video from the actual moment where he exhibited Miss Universe 1996 Alicia Machado and put her to do exercise in front of cameras and reporters. Humiliating. And she wasn’t even fat!
    At Slate they have even more old info about this :http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2016/05/17/when_donald_trump_humiliated_miss_universe_for_gaining_weight.html

  72. Nibbi says:

    Frankly she handled the whole thing like a boss. I was going to vote for her anyway but I was originally super gung-ho about Bernie and sort of resigned to voting for the Dem candidate she is. Seeing her so assured and prepared and self-controlled (i would have gone over there and flicked him in the forehead after about the 5th time he interrupted) makes me feel that much better about the country potentially being in her hands. No one can say she’s not 100% capable.

  73. Tartine says:

    Is it sexist of me to say that HRC looked amazing last night–best she’s looked in years!

    I could not stop staring at Trump’s hair….I mean it’s not quite a combover, but it’s like a semi-mullet, long in the back and short in the front but in a very disturbing kind of way.

    His hair was speaking to me…..

  74. jana says:

    I love this website…It’s the only one where I can read through the comments and not want to throw myself out a window! #I’MWITHHER

  75. leah says:

    Where is the money the Clinton Foundation stole from the Haitian people? They want to rebuild their country like they were promised by the Clintons. Instead they are no better off then they were after the earthquake just hit. Only now they also have a really bad diseases to worry about due to horrendous living conditions.

  76. Cerys says:

    Go, Hillary. She looked and sounded presidential and made Trump look like the buffoon most sane people know he is. He is apparently blaming the moderator for his bad performance and saying he had a faulty microphone that picked up all his sniffles. Typical Trump behaviour – blame everyone else.
    I can’t believe he has the gall to run for president even though he doesn’ t pay his taxes. Can you imagine the outcry if that was Hillary, Bill or one of the Obamas?
    The frightening thing is that there are still people out there who believe he has the skills and temperament to be president.