Donald Trump claims he ‘saved’ Alicia Machado’s job after she gained weight


I’ll admit it: I didn’t think this Alicia Machado story was going to have legs throughout the week, and possibly beyond. But that’s what happens when you underestimate Donald Trump’s ability to be a baby-fisted vulgarian. To recap, Master Baiter Hillary Clinton baited the sh-t out of Donald Trump during Monday night’s debate. She baited him throughout, and he lied, bullied and threw temper tantrums throughout. Towards the end of the debate, Hillary name-checked Alicia Machado, the winner of the Miss Universe title in 1996. During her “reign” as Miss Universe, Machado gained a little weight, and Trump publicly and privately labeled Machado “Miss Piggy” and worse. Because Trump is a petty, thin-skinned misogynist, he couldn’t let it go. On Tuesday, he called into Fox & Friends and ended up calling Machado a terrible fatty once again. Then he appeared on Bill O’Reilly’s show last night and seriously, he hates this woman.

Given his low poll numbers among women, Donald Trump clarified to voters that Alicia Machado’s story will not affect their perception of him, though he previously called her “Miss Piggy.”

“I mean, look, I hardly know this person. This was a person 20 years ago,” Trump told Bill O’Reilly on Wednesday’s episode of The O’Reilly Factor. “She wasn’t a successful, you know, I sold the Miss Universe contest for a tremendous price about, you know, six months ago. Worked out great.” Trump, who once co-owned the pageant, continued, “She did not do well. She had a lot of difficulty, and, you know, they wanted to fire her. The company itself wanted to fire her. I saved her job.”

Machado had to deal directly with Trump in 1996 when she won the Miss Universe title, representing Venezuela at age 19. Her name was brought up 20 years later during Monday’s debate when Hillary Clinton alleged that Machado’s experience is evidence of Trump’s sexism over the years.

“I will bet you if you put up and added up all the time I spoke to her, probably less than five minutes,” Trump said during his O’Reilly interview. “I had nothing to do with this person, but they wanted to fire her. I saved her job because I said that’s what I was going to do. Look what happened? Look what I get out of it? I get nothing.” In the end, the GOP presidential nominee stressed that he “couldn’t care less” and reiterated that Machado is “somebody I don’t know.”

[From People]

While Trump’s words are awful – truly – are people really surprised by his verbal attacks on this woman? Trump has a long and extensive history of casual, daily, consistent misogyny. It was smart of Clinton to highlight that fact giving by giving a concrete example, but again, to the voters: did you really not know this about him???? Incidentally, Trump’s performance at the debate has highlighted the fact that female voters hate him. Personally, I don’t know why ANY woman would vote for him, but it does warm my heart to see that women across the board watched the debate and saw him for the petty misogynist and thin-skinned bully that he is.

Trump’s game plan for the next debate? Make Bill Clinton’s wife accountable for Bill Clinton’s infidelity! Seriously, I’m not making that up. Trump wants to bring up Monica Lewinsky during the next debate. True story: after the Monica thing happened in the 1990s, Hillary Clinton’s approval rate went through the roof. People felt sorry for her and they admired the fact that she conducted her private marriage drama in private. That sympathy certainly helped with her 2000 Senate race.

And since apparently people aren’t aware of Trump’s history of mocking and trashing women because of their looks, let’s revisit that time that Trump body-shamed Kim Kardashian… while she was pregnant with North West. Oh, and Trump wanted to fire women at his Florida golf course for not being “pretty enough.”


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  1. lilacflowers says:

    Because he barely knew her, it was okay to call her insulting names. His defenders have pushed her weight gain up to 75 pounds. And hey, he made money off of it all so we’re supposed to forget that he’s a misogynistic pig and admire him because he made some money.

    • SilverUnicorn says:

      + one million to anything you said.

      What a disgusting idiot.

    • Tiffany says:

      And…once again does not know Alicia’s name. Or just will not say it. People did a interview with Alicia a few weeks before the debate about her citizenship, the press of the weight gain, and Tangerine Mussolini. She was hurt and I do not blame her, and at the time she would not say who she was voting for, just that she was voting.

      Then Secretary Clinton dropped that gauntlet, and Tangerine just kept on yapping. What followed was Alicia’s ad for Clinton. Once again, on the record, calling her names and now questioning her work ethic. This is the thing 40 percent of America wants for our nation’s highest position. Secretary Clinton is the lesser of two evils. Are you effin kidding me?

    • Lovisa_L says:

      Correct. These people just don’t get it. She could have put on 100lbs, 50lbs, whatever. And it would still not warrant the crap he said about her.

    • doofus says:

      come on, he saved her job! *eye roll*

      and, of course, he has to throw in a brag about selling it…

      what’s so funny is that he claims he doesn’t care and yet he keeps this story alive longer than it should be.

      and I don’t know if it’s so much that he hates women (spoiler: he does) but also that he hates getting BEATEN, one-upped or made to look foolish by a woman.

      and between Machado and Clinton, they did all three.

      • Esmom says:

        “what’s so funny is that he claims he doesn’t care and yet he keeps this story alive longer than it should be.”

        THIS. He is so thin skinned and can’t let stuff go. He even brought up Rosie O’Donnell in the debate, what a joke. He wastes so much time that SHOULD be spent on articulating policy and his vision for our country. I guess since he doesn’t have anything this crap is all he can focus on. It’s very Palin-esque — deflect with petty s%^t and snark when you’ve got nothing of substance to say.

      • doofus says:

        “I guess since he doesn’t have anything this crap is all he can focus on. It’s very Palin-esque — deflect with petty s%^t and snark when you’ve got nothing of substance to say.”

        exaclty, Esmom. and that’s the point that Chelsea has made in response to his “threat” to bring up Lewinsky at the debate. she made the point that he does that kind of thing because he CAN’T talk policy or anything of substance other than THE WALL. works great at one of his rallies in front of the deplorables, but one-on-one with your opponent who can talk policy circles around you?…not so much.

      • NotSoSocialButterfly says:


        YES! I compared him to Palin a couple days ago. It is so true and disturbing.

    • Belle Epoch says:

      He knows exactly who she is! He publicly put her on a fat-shaming excercise regimen and had the paps take pictures of her jumping rope etc. She starved herself to win the pageant and then put back on 15 pounds. She looks great in the photos and definitely was NOT a “Miss Piggy.” He is a vile misogynist lying liar.

    • Jwoolman says:

      He forgets we have pictures. We can see for ourselves that she only gained a few pounds and that she was too thin during the pageant and so needed the extra weight. Donald has that problem a lot – he forgets about audio and video and print records of things he has said also

  2. LinaLamont says:


  3. DSA says:

    IDK if it’s just my accent, but when I pronounce “Master Baiter” it sounds kind of funny…

  4. JackieJormpJomp says:

    I would like the commenters who defend Trump to discuss how they are okay with a president who says this kind of thing publicly. I mean, I don’t expect them to say anything, but I’d love to know how they jump this mental hurdle to believe Trump is an appropriate person for president.

    • LadyMTL says:

      At the end of the day I think we all know that most Trump supporters will remain his supporters regardless of what he does or says (unfortunately). From the interviews I’ve heard it’s like they don’t even really care about anything other than the fact that he isn’t a “career politician”, and bla bla something about Wall Street money, and maybe emails?

      I honestly can’t wrap my mind around their logic, or lack thereof. I just hope for the sake of the USA – I’m Canadian – that most voters are smart enough to not elect him.

      • DSA says:

        I imagine the people who vote Trump are just people who hate Hillary very much, like people who hate her guts so bad they’d rather have anyone but her. Even if it’s Donald Trump.

        It happens. I was in this class where the [very unprofessional] teacher hated some of his own students and would talk smack about them behind their backs when they were absent, the class was also full of toxic people to begin with (an acting class with proud cheaters who would brag about affairs with famous people, narcissists, jealous types, you name it).

        Then came a public enemy everyone hated. In the end, that ‘public enemy’ character sort of became the ‘glue’ to that class, suddenly the teacher and the student he hated the most joined forces and became friendly, people who gave each other stinky-eyes started gossiping together after class… They ended up being a pretty tight team. Common enemies unite enemies, people who couldn’t stand each other gang-up on the one person they both hate. Sometimes people are just united by hate. It happens. And people never grow out of it.

        You can’t wrap your mind around the logic because there’s no logic to it.

      • Who ARE These People? says:

        Good illustration. And mob behavior is, as you say, emotional, not rational. It’s scary stuff.

      • Jwoolman says:

        And would they be running to a dentist who didn’t have a DDS and didn’t even know the names of all the teeth? It seems so stupid to complain about someone actually knowing something about how the government works when running for President.

        I don’t think Donald even knows the role of President, Congress, and Supreme Court in our system or how hard it is to get an amendment to the Constitution. He seems to think the President waves his or her hand and it’s done. Donald couldn’t pass a high school civics test. At least get him to watch that cartoon showing how a bill is passed.

    • lilacflowers says:

      Because they oppose “political correctness” and believe they should be able to say any insulting and bigoted thing they want at any time.

      I am really hoping that during the next debate, Clinton wallops him with information on how many cases employees have filed against him at the EEOC or equivalent state agencies and how many of those he has lost or settled.

      • Erinn says:

        Those people are both enraging and hilarious. They complain about how everyone needs to grow thicker skin, and that they shouldn’t be able to be offended over things… but they’re the people who are quickest to angrily rant about how outraged they are over something trivial.

      • M.A.F. says:

        The next one is a town hall meeting. What would be awesome is if someone in the crowd- male, female, or both-calls him out on every ugly thing he as said and Trump’s only response is to have an epic melt down on live TV.

        But then again, he will spin it as if the Hilary campaign planted that person.

      • Kitten says:

        I hope there are a lot of women, Mexicans, Chinese, and black folks at that town hall meeting.

      • Who ARE These People? says:

        Erinn: I wonder if that’s because of the lingering sense of entitlement to power — the masters are supposed to be able to assault the slaves, the slaves are not supposed to be able to assault the master. Now it’s playing out through language. Someone will probably do a dissertation on this.

        MAF: Wouldn’t you love it? Everybody goad him. And if he spun it as if the Clinton campaign planted it – well, that ship wouldn’t sail too far. You know those people who seem to have problems at work everywhere they go and eventually you wonder if it’s them?

        Kitten: They probably have to use about half women, I would think, to be representative. Next one is Washington U in St. Louis, should have a good population from which to draw.

        I’d love to ask him questions. The problem is how to pick…

    • naomipaige says:

      With all his BS, and childish antics, I’m surprised as well that anybody would vote for him. If he gets in, none of this stuff will stop. I have no doubt he will get even worse, if that’s possible. He’s beyond bottom of the barrel.

      I still believe his running is just a joke, and I’m ready for it to be over!

      • Akboat says:

        I’m thinking if he wins, he’s going to pull a “Palin” and not even finish a full term. Being president looks like a brutally hard job that he won’t be able to handle. As we (on this site, at least) know, he’s not a very smart man.

      • Jwoolman says:

        Akboat – he might not be able to resign if he is in as deep financially to the Russians as is suspected. He needs to be in a position to do what they want so 1) they don’t break his legs or worse and 2) he gets debt forgiveness or at least better terms. Likewise he’s in hock to at least one Chinese financial institution for a building project. Regardless, he certainly sees the Presidency as a great chance to cut secret deals around the world. If he resigns, Pence officially takes over and those deals are over. Pence is a true believer and easily manipulated, but I doubt that he’s the kind of greedy traitor that Trump is. Pence will do a lot of damage but for other reasons.

      • Christin says:

        John Oliver’s show this week has a candidates’ scandal analysis that should be a ‘must see’. It includes a clip of the eldest son being asked about the business blind trust requirement. Let’s just say the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

        His entire campaign has been about throwing cr@p to deflect from serious, key questions. Oliver’s analysis suggests neither candidate is perfect, but one has far more irritating ‘raisins’ to contend with.

    • Sherry says:

      The only people defending Trump are his misogynistic cultists. Everyone else is appalled.

    • NotSoSocialButterfly says:

      They don’t care about any of it. His viciousness and racism resonate with them, and that’s what they love about him. He is a pr1ck by proxy for them, and they will not waver.

    • holly hobby says:

      OMG can you imagine the things he would say about other dignitaries’ wives? Not everyone is married to a frozen mannequin. Ugh what a jerk. He has an inferiority complex all right. I remember his tiff with Martha Stewart after her failed Apprentice show. He made some kind of comment that his was more successful because she was a woman and a convict? Well at least Martha never filed for bankruptcy.

    • hogtowngooner says:

      I think they may not support his comments outright, but rather relish the horrified reactions of people like us. They love winning one over on the “other team” more than anything else. Because that’s what US politics has apparently descended to.

    • EM says:

      I can’t figure it out and I really wanted to (now I’m not so sure I do). We have this community forum and of coarse there are several Trump topics with women supporting him the most. It is beyond comprehension.

  5. Birdix says:

    you underestimate voters in the great state of New York when you say we voted her in because we felt sorry for her because of her husband’s affair.

    • LinaLamont says:


    • lilacflowers says:

      My boyfriend’s mom campaigned for her and it wasn’t because she felt sorry. She firmly believed she was the best person for the job.

    • Kaiser says:

      I changed that, but I do think that the overwhelming sympathy for her in the wake of Bill’s affair did help her Senate campaign in 2000.

      • Luca76 says:

        Kaiser as a NYer I’d say that not really the case. She fought a tough race first against Guiliani and then against Lazio and they were neck and neck until the debates. That Senate race was by no means a cakewalk for her and she didn’t get much sympathy because NY was very suspicious of her sudden move to NY state.

      • LinaLamont says:

        I agree with everything that @Luca76 says.
        I’ll add that many of us were, actually, disappointed with Hillary for staying with Bill. Many saw it as weak and/or opportunistic. These people, myself included, voted for her despite these perceptions. She was, simply, the best candidate.

      • Santia says:

        New Yorker here as well and that was the “con” for me in relation to her many “pros.” I saw her as anti-feminist for staying with a proven philanderer. But, she was hands-down the best person for the job, just like she is now.

      • Iknowwhatboyslike says:

        New Yorker here as well. Hillary Clinton was neck to neck with Guiliani before he had to drop out due to his cancer diagnosis. Even with Rick Lazio running against her, she fought tooth and nail for that seat. Her senate run in New York was not easy. There were many people calling her a Carpetbagger and opportunist. Her Senate race was frought with accusations of staying with her husband so she could ride his coattails for her own ambitions. Hillary is one of the first white women I always felt, whose perception, is any where near as bad as a black woman. In the professional sphere, we are not treat as equally no matter how smart, how dedicated, how responsible. We’re always treated as unacceptable. Hillary isn’t in the same realm, but I have to say, I am always speechless at how much they villify her despite everyting she’s done and has been through.

    • Melly says:

      I can’t think of a single thing that HRC has ever received because of sympathy. She seems to always be under attack by the right for one reason or another. People don’t “like” her because they feel bad for her, we like her because she doesn’t stop working even when she’s going through a sh!t storm. Her work ethic and dedication is inspiring. Her marriage to Bill is none of my business and I don’t understand how his infidelities are an attack against Hillary.

      • LinaLamont says:

        I was disappointed that she changed her name, backed off of her cookie-baking statement and stayed with Bill.
        But, for whatever reasons, in the end, she did what she had to do so that, I hope, future generations of women won’t have to back down or pander. She took the bullet for the next wave of women.

      • Melly says:

        I totally agree. HRC isn’t perfect by any means but it hurts my heart that she isn’t polling well with women. She has paved the way and has taken many bullets so the next generation of women wouldn’t have to. I wish more women gave her credit for the work she’s done.

      • LinaLamont says:

        I’m not a fan of politicians altogether, but, HRC and Shirley Chisolm deserve extra props for paving the way for women…Chisolm for black women (and men), especially. Not enough people think about her.
        Both these women are/were admirable.

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      No I don’t think it was sympathy helping her either. People remembered her work as a lawyer, her activity as First Lady, her work on health care, and she simply campaigned extremely hard all over the state and knew the issues. At first she seemed like a bit of a carpetbagger and by the end she had made herself into a New Yorker – on the state and city levels.

  6. minx says:

    This idiot is running for president and he has been feuding with a beauty queen for four days.

    • Melly says:

      I was thinking the same thing. He really is trying to diminish the prestige of the presidency. I need this guy to lose BADLY. I want him humiliated Maybe even tarred and feathered.

    • Esmom says:

      Exactly. W. T. F. Unfit for the presidency is a generous way to describe him.

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      Wait till Kim Jong-Un goads him.

    • Jwoolman says:

      For a guy who claims he hardly spoke with Machado for even five minutes total, he certainly remembers her very well. He knew the instant Hillary mentioned her name.

  7. Megan says:

    Say Master Baiter out loud. Not sure Hillary wants that title.

  8. Nikki says:

    Why does Trump keep bringing up Bill’s infidelity? Am I the only one old enough to remember that picture with him, Ivana and his mistress Marla on a ski slop together in Aspen. Trump brought his mistress on a family ski vacation.

    • Jana says:

      I was just thinking about this hypocrisy! He had an affair with Marla Maples and left Ivana for her. So I guess the same standards don’t apply to him, but that’s par for the course these days.

      If he’s really going to bring up Monica Lewinsky at the next debate, it would be hilarious to see Marla and Ivana sitting together in the front row. However, I don’t think Hillary’s campaign would stoop to something like that.

      • Christin says:

        They are ex-wives likely bound by NDAs to ensure their settlements. Plus they each have one or more children by him.

    • honeybee blues says:

      I had forgotten about that! If memory serves, that’s when Ivana had finally had enough public humiliation. She didn’t get mad, she got everything!

    • doofus says:

      because, silly girl, infidelity is ALWAYS the woman’s fault. it’s because she didn’t keep herself “hot” enough for her man. it’s HILLARY’S fault that Bill strayed, and it was Ivana’s fault (and Marla’s fault) that the Velveeta Raccoon strayed.


    • Melly says:

      HRC better be preparing a good response for when Trump brings up the affairs. You know that Trump is a big enough POS to criticize her for Bill’s behavior, so she better be prepared to answer it. BTW i don’t think she should have to answer for her husband’s infidelities and it’s crazy that Trump is so disgusting that it’s pretty much assured that he’ll bring it up in the next debate.
      Has Trump given up on getting votes from women and minorities?? It seems like he has. Attacking a latina Ms. freakin Universe and blaming Hillary for Bill’s stuff can not being playing well.

      • NotSoSocialButterfly says:

        Well, she could point out his hypocrisy and multiple marriages, but I think she would be better served by simply saying, “That has nothing to do with the problems we face today, right now. The American people want to know how we will tackle the tough issues we face today. I am here to lay out my plans for the future in detail, and you appear to want to focus on petty, past, personal issues.
        Why is that Donald? Maybe it’s because you have no real plans, I don’t know.”

        Bam. She needs to hit hard, fast, and unrelentingly. A TKO is what we are all frothing at the mouth for.

      • Melly says:

        Totes agree. I want her to make him cry. Show him to be the pathetic man-child we all know he is.

      • EM says:

        You should send this answer to the campaign. Seriously I would love that to be the response to his BS.

    • PaschaP says:

      “Well, my reaction to that is just what my reaction has been kind of every time Trump has gone after my mom or my family, which is that it’s a distraction from his inability to talk about what’s actually at stake in this election and to offer concrete, comprehensive proposals about the economy, or our public school system, or debt-free college, or keeping our country safe and Americans safe here at home and around the world.” –Chelsea Clinton

    • Santia says:

      I really hope Hillary reminds him of that when he brings up Bill’s mistresses in the next debate. Sometimes you have to shut a bully up by his own tactics.

      • NotSoSocialButterfly says:

        She needs to turn it back on him and pin him down like a moth in an entomologist’s shadow box.

    • Hazel says:

      I remember that photo quite well! He had no moral stance at all. Just sit down, Donald. And as many more have said, Bill’s infidelity has nothing to do with Hillary’s capabilities as president. Nor does DT’s on his own capabilities, but for some idiotic reason he thinks this topic belongs in a political debate. Truly delusional.

    • Christin says:

      Oh, I remember that and other shenanigans. Three marriages, adultery….Bigly stuff.

      I hope he does bring it up, because it will likely expose his many personal issues from years past. Some may not remember them.

    • Jwoolman says:

      His kids remember it very well and they were ready to divorce him themselves for it. I think that was the time Donald Jr., 12 years old, told Donald Sr. something like “You don’t love us, you don’t even love yourself. You only love your money”. I assume the kids are just figuring to get some of that money now if there is any left. I doubt that they’re that fond of the old geezer. If he turns out to be broke, he will die alone.

  9. The Original Mia says:

    He’s a gross misogynist, who ha probably made similar comments to the women in his family. Are we really surprised he double downed on his comments about Ms Marchado? He thinks everyone thinks like he does. The only good woman in his mind is a thin, artificially enhanced Barbie doll that is subservient to him and dependent on his money.

    • Granger says:

      Yeah, I said this on yesterday’s post, but I wonder what he’d say to his daughter if she ever gained weight?

    • swak says:

      Apparently not to Ivana as she defends him when it comes to his views on women.

      • Melly says:

        He payed her a large sum of money at the beginning of his campaign to deny the decades old rape charges and defend him in the press. Ivana chose money over the truth. She’s a business woman, so i guess she sees a potential benefit to helping Trump get elected.

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      Speaking of thin, artificially enhanced Barbie Dolls…my daughter saw Ivanka for the first time, on stage after the debate, and asked, “Is that her? She looks like a Barbie doll!”

      My daughter is finally old enough to think that’s a little strange.

  10. BengalCat2000 says:

    What about HIS infidelities? I guess those don’t count cuz, ya know, he was just “being a guy.” He can fuck off.

    • Melly says:

      He is not a good messenger for the “sanctity of marriage” argument. Not that anyone SHOULD be criticizing HRC for her decision to stay with Bill after he cheated, but if a person was going to it would be better if that person hadn’t cheated on their spouse AND BRAGGED ABOUT IT.
      What constituency is he courting with that argument? I can’t image that bringing up Bills affairs would play well with any of the groups he needs. His base of loons will love it, but I can’t think of anyone else who will be swayed by it.

      • BengalCat2000 says:

        I work with an older lady who’s husband left her for another woman and she’s a Trump supporter. Her disdain for Hillary precludes common sense. I also live in a red state, so I shouldn’t be surprised, but my blood boils every time she speaks. There’s not enough xanax on this planet to get me thru November…

  11. Jayna says:

    If he baits her with Bill’s affair, she should shut him down by saying, “Donald, how I privately handled that painful chapter in my life is no one’s business, but if you must know, it was through a lot of prayer, and how ALL of your wives handled your adultery is no one’s business. Now, can we talk about the economy, please.”

    • Tiffany says:

      Or she will do that great shimmy and diplomatically goes off on him. Or there will not be a second time, because I totally believe he will find an excuse not to do debates 2 and 3.

      • Melly says:

        If he doesn’t go to the next two debates that would be essentially admitting defeat. If he decides not to go, they should still hold the town hall in prime time and let Hillary have the whole time to express her message and answer questions.

  12. Emily says:

    This whole “Bill’s infidelity” makes me rage (along with every thing else Trump does). It’s 2016. Are we all so naive to believe that everyone is committed to marrying their true-love match? There’s a whole litany of reasons to marry someone; many of them have nothing to do with being soulmates. Especially if the ultimate goal of both parties in the marriage is to be president. Does anyone believe that Melania married Donald because she thought that out of everyone in the world, he was her one true match? Because no one thinks that.

    Not to mention that, because we all know and Donald has admitted to cheating on every wife he’s had except the current one, what he’s really saying is that it’s Hillary’s fault Bill cheated. This is a super great way to win over the women vote. What an idiot.

    • swak says:

      Are we sure he hasn’t cheated on this one or has he never been caught? It will be interesting if he keeps her if he doesn’t win the election. I can see him blaming her for his loss because of the controversy she has caused with her lying about her education and her immigration status.

    • Kitten says:

      YES. Finally, a FAIR comment about the reality of many marriages. Jesus. People act like BC was the first politician to have an affair and that Hillary was the reason he strayed. So tired of it.

      • Who ARE These People? says:

        American politics would simply not be the same without sex scandals. Nor would British. Or Russian. Or French. Or … OMG, Italy! Or…

      • Emily says:

        I read a book about the Kennedy wives along time ago, where Jackie basically says she knew John would cheat, but that was okay because she wanted the power that marrying John would give her. I’m not saying this to imply that Hillary married Bill for power, just that lots of people have different motivations and compromises they make with themselves to get married to a certain person.

      • Jwoolman says:

        Men seem to easily compartmentalize their lives. I think Hillary and Bill genuinely respect and like each other and share common political goals. Plus he might actually be a good father to their child. Hillary may simply not have wanted to lose the good parts and to put young Chelsea through a divorce at that time.

        Hillary may have made her peace with Bill’s sexual weirdness long ago, since at least he isn’t aggressive or vengeful. The only credible reports about him make it clear that he was consistently sexually passive in the physical sense (rape accusations never made sense for that reason, in addition to other details). He was totally obnoxious for even asking and lord knows why he kept taking the risk of losing everything, but he always took “no” for an answer and that never had a bad effect on the woman’s career. So he wasn’t running around badmouthing the ones who rejected him or trying to put obstacles in their path. I’ve had worse experiences with male colleagues myself, since some men get astonishingly angry even if you say no to a date. But make no mistake – just soliciting a woman unbidden the way Bill was doing at least some of the time would be traumatizing. (I think Monica was actually hoping for it when she got the job in his office; she has some problems herself, but I admired her refusal to play the role of victim.)

        I don’t know if Bill is still so sexually stupid – I always thought it was at the level of a serious disorder in his case and possibly he’s had success with therapy. It’s so ridiculous, he really is so insightful and effective and downright genuine otherwise. If he’s still acting up, he needs a 24/7 keeper and a very short leash. My brother believes that once Hillary is President, she’ll be able to order his Secret Service detail to just sit on ol’ Bill if he starts misbehaving…. 🙂

    • Melly says:

      Totally agree. Why is the reasons they stayed married any of our business? Maybe they’re soulmates, maybe they’re business partners, maybe they like the stability of keeping their family intact. Who cares?!? It has nothing to do with the job or responsibilities of the presidency, and that’s what I care about.

  13. Jenni says:

    He is the gift that keeps on giving. Isn’t he? He doesn’t know when to stop, when to let go, when to shut up… and that’s a beautiful thing about him. LOL.

    • Melly says:

      Trump’s campaign would be HILARIOUS if he wasn’t running for president of the united states and/or if he wasn’t doing well in the polls. He’s running for the highest office in the land and polling really well, so it both horrifying and utterly embarrassing.

    • NotSoSocialButterfly says:

      Ha!! I have said that very thing about him at least three times in as many ( or fewer!) weeks!

  14. swak says:

    Kaiser, pretty sure I know some women who will vote for Trump just based on their FB posts. Kind of shocked me because I would have never guessed they would put up with his BS on women.

    • Jayna says:

      I have best friends that will. They are highly educated, very driven, very successful women, who are socially progressive Republicans, but they are entrenched in defending their party. They despise the Democratic Party. There is just no debating with them. It just gets ugly. And I adore them. They have been there for me in the darkest of times and embody the word feminism with great career successes without men. One is a
      pilot, captain of a major U.S. airline. The other owns a very successful business and has a Master’s degree. They refuse to see the hypocrisy in supporting Trump, etc.

      • H says:

        This is the situation I’m in too. Except most of my friends were Independents or Democrats previously. They hate Hillary so much they cannot see reason. On the phone the other day with one, we were not talking about election, but about the football player sitting out national anthem. I’m all for his show of free speech, she wasn’t. She called him the n-word. I was utterly speechless. In the 20 years I’ve known this person, I’ve never seen anything racist from her, otherwise we wouldn’t be friends.

        Either she’s been hiding she’s a racist, or Trump’s entry into this race has allowed people to say whatever the heck they want without fear of social stigmation. I’m still wondering whether to limit my contact with her or wait until after the election and see if she goes back to her normal sane self.

      • lucy2 says:

        Yikes H. Sorry to hear that. It’s really hard when people you care about reveal the ugly side of themselves like that.

      • swak says:

        They’re friends and I’m not going to drop them because of their political views. I don’t debate them because it’s not worth it. But I also know in debating them it will not change their minds who they vote for.

      • doofus says:

        H, dump her.

        if she said the N word, she’s a bigot.

        no matter how angry I was at someone who happened to be black, or how much I hated someone who happened to be black, I would NEVER use that word to describe him/her because it’s not the color of the skin that makes me feel that way but their actions. I’d call that person an a-hole, a jerk, a C-U-next-Tuesday, a b*tch…but never a racial slur. if you stoop to that kind of slur, you’re a bigot, no matter how much you try to hide it in other aspects of your life.

        ETA: Jayna, if they want to defend their party, they need to Dump Drumpf. he is destroying the GOP.

      • Who ARE These People? says:

        I’ve had to think about this long and hard myself. Ultimately I’ve decided to distance myself from any Trump supporters. I cannot affiliate with people who affiliate with hate of any kind. I judge *myself* by the company I keep. If they want my kind of (loyal and otherwise very accommodating) friendship, they’ll have to find it somewhere else.

        This isn’t a game. Trump and his followers have already hurt people, and to go along out of “ties” is to go along with that kind of hatred.

        My sense of being ‘nice’ as a woman is being overwhelmed by my sense of morality as a human being.

      • NotSoSocialButterfly says:


        Paragraph two leads back to paragraph one. She’s a racist. Wash your hands of her.

      • Iknowwhatboyslike says:

        I always said that Trump made racists feel safe again. They don’t need to to put on the mask because he is allowing them so say how they really feel in the guise of being politcally incorrect.

    • Esmom says:

      Yeah, me too. It’s horrifying to me. The only reason I can come up with is willful ignorance.

      • Who ARE These People? says:

        Then we have to look a the willful part – it’s not really ignorance; it’s a choice.

      • eggy weggs says:

        Boy, do I feel that, WATP. I live in a small, conservative town in Middle America. Because of my job, I need to remain relatively objective and cannot post online about my political views. Most people here are not bound by the same constraints, and I found myself feeling more and more alienated from the people around me. And on the odd times when I express my love for Hillary, men tell me I’m a bad feminist (for supporting someone who stayed with her philandering husband — WTF?) and women tell me they just do not understand how I could support her for [insert stupid, unfounded reason here]. I have been spending a lot of time alone, off Facebook, or escaping to the liberal college town in which my boo lives. One of my concerns is that, when the dust settles — even if the race goes to Hillary — that too much ugly has been exposed. I have a long memory.

      • Esmom says:

        Yes, WATP. I believe they do see Trump’s faults yet support him anyway and find a way to justify doing so. Definitely willful and definitely a choice.

    • Erica_V says:

      One of the worst parts of this election is seeing the true colors of some of my friends & coworkers.

      Last week I overheard a discussion about “ObamaCare” and “F–k those people living off the system.” I got up and I walked over to the group (of white middle aged men) and said “After losing my job through no fault of my own ObamaCare made it possible for me to see a dermatologist who identified 3 separate pre-cancerous moles on my body through biopsies. ObamaCare made it possible for those biopsies to actually happen because without it I wouldn’t have been able to afford them. But fuck me right? Guess I just deserve cancer for losing my job right?!?” And went back to my desk.

      He later came over to my desk and apologized for speaking so carelessly. I told him let it be a lesson to you – you never know who might need those programs to save their life.”

      I’ll never be able to look at that co-worker the same way again.

  15. Felice. says:

    The pageant is better off without him. I noticed as soon as he left, they started trying to de-sexualize the teen division.

  16. B n A fn says:

    Why did he only not talked to her not more than five minutes? Is he saying she was too fat for him to have a conversation with? If he only spoke to her for less than five minutes how did he know she would agree to go to a gym with dozens of cameras filming her. I noticed he refused to refer to her by name.

    I saw about a second Katrina talking to Meagan K , (MSNBC GOT THE TAPE AND PLAYED IT) saying something like people should look at Mr Trump wife and daughter and their weight as if to say he hold his wife and daughter to a weight standard, anyone know what Katrina was saying?

  17. B n A fn says:

    There was a big train crash in NJ. Train crashed through the platform and building at the Hoboken station they are saying over 100 injured some maybe trapped.

  18. lucy2 says:

    So he’s saying that because it was a long time ago and he only talked to her for a few minutes, WHAT he said to her doesn’t matter? Trying to follow what he says always makes my head hurt. I seriously had a 24 hour long headache after the debate.

    If he thinks Hillary is unprepared for him to come at her with Bill’s infidelities, he is continuing to VASTLY underestimating her. She’s been dealing with all that scrutiny and horrible things said about and to her for decades now. He doesn’t scare her.

    • Emily says:

      And just in case she was unprepared, he’s announced it now anyway. So now, he can accuse Hillary of cheating to win the debate because HE gave her the questions beforehand.

  19. Minxx says:

    Just a glimpse of this orangutan’s facial expressions makes me cringe. I don’t even have to listed to him to know he’s not fit to be in public office. I honestly have no clue how Americans could seriousy consider this man for the highest office in the land. It’s freaking insane!

  20. K says:

    I’m going to feel so bad for Monica if Trump goes there. She was 22, she was wrong but she paid big time for her mistake. Her life was ruined, she was mocked she had to leave the country and its been 20 years! Let her live her life. Can you imagine if you could never move past the horrible mistake you made at 22?

    I’m not saying she wasn’t wrong she was, she knew he was married and should have known better but.. my god the response she got was so disproportionate to what Bill received. Bill betrayed his vows, he was president and a lot older. He should bare the brunt of blame and scorn.

    You know who should receive none of it! Who has zero responsibility for Bill’s affairs? HILLARY!!!

    So go for it Trump blame Hillary for Bill’s failures, drag and trash Monica for a mistake she made at 22, start calling her names again. See how that goes with women.

    More importantly drag the American people through the Lewinsky scandal again because it was great the first time!

    • SusanneToo says:

      Is he so stupid he would do that given all his sexcapades? Oh, wait, we’re talking about the Donald here. Never mind.

  21. NeoCleo says:

    He insults women for their weight? Hey pot, this is the kettle calling!

  22. Vizia says:

    He body-shames men, as well (i.e. Little Marco). He’s completely horrific about women, but he certainly goes for the cheap insults no matter who happens to be in front of him. He reminds me of some teens I work with who just lash out at anyone/anything in their sight-line, out of their own anger and for the attention it gets them.

  23. ravensdaughter says:

    Dear Donald: S-T-F-U. You really has no concept of self-control. Publicly apologize and move on…

  24. SusanneToo says:

    I posted this on yesterday’s Trump thread, but it was late and I don’t know how many saw it, so I’m reposting. It’s a fascinating interview and lays bare Trump’s cheating, even of a “charitable” entity.

    “If you didn’t listen to Fresh Air today, please check the podcast. Terri Gross interviews David Fahrenthold of the WAPO. He’s the reporter who has been investigating the corrupt Trump Foundation. All of the cheating and lies of Trump and the Foundation are laid out in this interview.”

  25. Sheila says:

    I’m not sure what happened but my earlier post didn’t show up. Hello y’all and waves and toasts to my fave the veranda crew!🍾🍷Well I live in Georgia and DT has an amazing amount of outspoken and proud support. I see it on the yard signs and bumper stickers everyday. In laws love him, I’ve had to stop visits the last 6 months because I can’t. As a country we have to seriously stop and question our education and religious institutions that have encouraged and allowed a sexist, racist, classist, and proud non tax payer to rise to being the Republican presidential candidate Please do not underestimate his appeal and strength to the popluation. I worry because many of us find him so unbelievable, ridiculous we don’t think there is anyway he can become president. Wrong! He can..please vote!