We’re four days out and my constant panic has just become a general numbness. I’m relying on blind faith at this point. I don’t need Hillary Clinton’s victory to be a landslide anymore, I just need to believe that I live in a country where the majority of people can see through Donald Trump. Nate Silver is scaring the sh-t out of everyone and if I hear “electoral firewall” one more g—damn time, I will hurt someone. So, let’s chat about some of this sh-t.
Newsweek’s Trump-Russia story. I’ve only skimmed this story but it was enough to turn my blood cold. Trump has received multiple security briefings on Russia’s cyberattacks within the US and he continues to dismiss the briefings and blatantly lie about Russia’s attempts to influence the election. Our NATO allies are panicking that Trump has been emboldening Russia to interfere with their elections as well. Oh, and apparently Putin even has his doubts about Trump.
The FBI is a banana republic. Apparently, the FBI is “Trumpland” and the New York branch of the FBI is actively trying to elect Donald Trump. There are many FBI agents and officials with direct ties to Rudy Giuliani. Basically, the FBI is working in concert with the Trump campaign to destroy the Democratic nominee for the president of the United States. The one thing everyone can agree on? FBI Director James Comey needs to nut up and take control of his agency, because the sh-t that’s going down is not acceptable, and it will damage the FBI’s reputation for years to come.
A new poll. This one isn’t making me crazy, although I’m sure there will be five more polls today that do make me crazy. I NEED MORE DATA.
A terrible Donald Trump Jr. story. There’s a guy who knew Donald Trump Jr. in college and he told a story about Trump Sr. coming to see his son at college and… just read this story. It’s awful. The whole family sounds awful.
Mike Huckabee has some thoughts. Surprisingly, those thoughts don’t involve protecting child molesters or his dog-torturing son.
Trump may be a car wreck, but at least his car is pointed in right direction. Hillary is a drunk-driver going the wrong way on the freeway.
— Gov. Mike Huckabee (@GovMikeHuckabee) November 4, 2016
Four more days, people. Yeah. I haven’t had a drink in many years and I might need to go buy a big bottle of Jack Daniel’s. Who’s with me?
Photos courtesy of WENN.
His ties to America are the scariest. But his ties to the internet and my TV ARE THE WORST.
You nailed it.
His campaign is almost what Hitler’s campaign would look like if there was internet and Tv.
How, sway, how? You dems don’t care what Hillary is accused of; you back her with blind faith and she has been proven to lie under oath. Who is the sheep here? Nothing has been proven on Donald, but HRC put classified docs out there for the world to get a hold of; and yet, you don’t care? This woman will have all our secrets and will she sell them out for the right donation to the Clinton foundation? Probably.
Shanique:
Trump is going on trial for the rape of a 13 year old girl. That’s enough right there for me. And he will go to trial whether he is elected or not.
You have absolutely no moral high ground here, Shanique.
Donald Trump is so arrogant he doesn’t think he needs to study, prepare, learn policy or anything a responsible human being running office would do in preparation for said office. He doesn’t know the platform that other people have created for him. He speaks in slogans and soundbites that mean literally nothing save that they fire up his fellow thought challenged anti-intellectuals. He condemns Obamacare and doesn’t know what its actual role is or that his employees aren’t eligible.
He’s a known liar (it’s called fact checking), tax dodger, net worth inflater and admitted sexual assaulter. Yet you ignore all that and claim Hillary lied under oath. Show me the receipts. Where’s the indictment? Climb out of Beitbart’s dead rotting arse and join us who have even a shred of decency in the real world where actual factuals matter.
you are overreacting. my uncle (father’s sister’s husband) was in Auschwitz. he lost his mum and his sister there. while i do not think Trump is any good, you really cannot compare him to Hitler. it is insulting and painful. Worst case scenario is 4 years under Trump and he will be controlled by the government.
There are so many mistakes made by Dems in the past few days. Obama talked how Trump only knows rich/famous people, at the same time Hilary shared stage with Pharrell and Huma hosted an evening with Anna W and DVF. It is like they are not listening to each other.
Anyway, I still do not think he will win. Also, you should tone it down with insults towards third party voters. It is not nice, it is not in the spirit of democracy. Give people a break, their vote is theirs only. Being a bully makes you look more and more like Trump.
“Nothing has been proven on Donald”
His comments on NATO, the debt, Muslims, women, those with disabilities, etc. all came from his mouth and he doesn’t dispute that. His ignorance of issues is fully on display. He has already been fined for illegally using charitable funds for campaign contributions. He himself said that he doesn’t wait for consent, he just walks up to women and grabs them by the genitals. Not sure how much more proof you need that he is a horrible person.
Oh, additionally, those Hillary leaks that you are so eager about have been found to have falsified documents in them. You are putting your faith in the wrong people.
“but HRC put classified docs out there for the world to get a hold of”
Do you understand what happened with the emails? They found that NONE of the classified messages on her private server were properly marked as being confidential. That was sender error. They found emails from her staff stressing the importance of not opening classified documents on the wrong system. They were being vigilant, but they did not account for sender error. The more you know.
@milla. Not overreacting at all. My grandfather was forced to fight for the SS. This is the exact type of shi Hitler said.
At first I did not want to even think this thought. I know bringing up the Nazis is overdone….but in this case, well….There are a lot of similarities. Severe mental instability. Aggression and scapegoating. A cruel streak and over sensitivity to criticism. Feelings of persecution. Paranoia. Need to dominate at the expense of others.
Trump is scary. And like Hitler, no one thought he could win in the beginning. I mean, Trump started out as a joke. But, like Hitler, he has touched on peoples’s tendency to scapegoat, and he has validated this deep aggression in people. Its terrifying and I can’t laugh off the comparisons to what happened in Germany.
@ Tiffany
” They found that NONE of the classified messages on her private server were properly marked as being confidential. ”
That is not true. Some were marked as classified but HRC said she misunderstood the markings. Some did have the headings removed but she should have known that the material was classified either way. Especially since she was a former senator.
Shanique you keep saying these things but where is your proof or facts? Hilalry was basically cleared this summer in the e-mail investigation. It was reopened last Friday for a handful of e-mails and the FBI refuses to give further comment. No one single person, including the FBI even knows what are in those e-mails. So this week it comes out the FBI are goign wild and basically disobeying Comey and doing their own investigations. Which is why Comey spoke in case the FBI agents reveal something they supposed are looking for on Weiners phones. So where is you evidence, please link it. Please educate us. Facts before conspiracy.
Shanique- no, Hillary didn’t lie under oath and she didn’t toss classified docs out into the world. The FBI said she didn’t lie to them, had no malevolent intent, and no classified docs were released. There is a dispute between agencies about classification of a handful of doc’s, but nothing she was sent was marked classified. She used the State server for any classified material. She had staff look at the e-mails that were deleted to make sure they were not work- related and properly archived the ones that were. If the subpoena had come a little earlier, they would not have been deleted at all since the staffer who was supposed to do so after they were sorted took a long time to get to the task. But that’s why the FBI could recover them – the shorter the time between deletion and recovery, the easier it is. Deletion just tells the computer that the space can be overwritten with new data. She didn’t do anything to make recover difficult, such as overwriting with random zero’s and one’s 20 to 30 times. She wasn’t trying to hide anything.
Previous Secretaries of State and George Bush wiped out millions of e-mails without a second thought.
I am genuinely sorry that happened to your family Milla but I disagree it is an overreaction. Some of the people making these comparisons are Holocaust survivors that witnessed first hand their country follow under the spell of a nationalist demagogue. The fact the see parallels here is chilling and I don’t think they just throw Hitler comparisons around freely.
It is true that there are systems to hold him in check and from Day One he isn’t going to be able to commit mass genocide. Hitler had the same problem he had to reign in the crazy to get people on his side and grab more and more power for himself.
While it may be painful for you to hear Hitler comparisons imagine how painful and terrifying it is to have witnessed first hand Hitler’s rise, concentration camps, World War II, leaving your home to start a life in a place that doesn’t share your culture or language, creating a life in a family in the United States, see Trump feel a growing sense of déjà vu and harbor what has to be immense fear and stress for your children and grandchildren if this dangerous man is elected.
Thinking a country is special, won’t fall under the spell, can’t go so far down the wrong road opens up the possibility because people become complacent and less vigilant.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/in-the-age-of-trump-grim-warnings-from-holocaust-survivors/2016/01/27/c65ea38c-c549-11e5-8965-0607e0e265ce_story.html
@milla
“you are overreacting. my uncle (father’s sister’s husband) was in Auschwitz. he lost his mum and his sister there. while i do not think Trump is any good, you really cannot compare him to Hitler. ”
After watching that Samantha Bee interview with Russian trolls, I’m thinking now how convenient that you had a relative by marriage who ended up in Auschwitz. Way to try to deligitimise discourse about Trump’s fascist, Hitler loving ways. I don’t believe you because you don’t put forth a cogent argument. I’m invoking a variation of Godwin’s law on you for attempting to derail discussion .
Thank you, Mila and Shanique.
There are other views out there and no one deserves to be attacked for what they are.
Geesh.
Let’s see what Tuesday brings.
Hoping we can as a country – one that I deeply cherish – come together under whoever our President is.
Also, his ties to the deplorables, the KKK, the lily-livered pu$$ies(Ryan, Cruz, Rubio, etc.)are sickening.
🙂
🙁
+1
I came to say his ties to the human race are the scariest.
+ 1 million
Yeah, i feel personally offended that I have that in common with Trump.
Ha! Perfectly succinct.
jerkface, I don’t know who you are but you are hilarious. Every comment I’ve read by you so far this morning has cracked me up. Thank you for this much needed dose of levity and Happy Friday!
Very true. He outright lies, and people believe it. His own campaign manager is unapologetic about it, too. Despicable humans.
I am genuinely frightened that the orange one could win. I live in Canada but what happens in the US matters here too. I can’t help but think that the FBI’s efforts to discredit Hilary wouldnt be this effective if she had a penis. I dont give a f about emails when the other candidate is insane and has a child rape case pending.
We’ll be the laughing stock of the world, but Americans don’t care.
You’ll also cause the international economy to plummet. But no one seems to even slightly understand that.
JJJ I understand it. Lots of people understand it. Economists understand it. It’s that there are so many potentially awful consequences we each seize on one thing or another … sometimes it’s personal, sometimes it’s global.
The millions of uneducated voters that donald is very fond of don’t care. The ones who vote on strictly their own self interests don’t care. The rest of us do.
Oh, I think that ship sailed long ago, unfortunately for the citizens who aren’t on the Trump train.
No longer the “leader of the free world”, whatever that means. Your country is being left behind, particularly in terms of human rights. Just my opinion, but I am so grateful I am Canadian, especially after our own election.
Unless you belong to a doomsday cult, voting for Trump is not in your self interest.
@ SusanneToo
They don’t even vote their own self interests, though. So many people supporting him are people who rely on entitlements like Medicaid, SNAP or SSI. Donald Trump doesn’t give a crap about working class or poor whites. The Republicans in general don’t. He just wants that vote. And they should be smart enough to know that.
Many of his supporters are just haters. They hate everybody and think their lives would magically be better if all the “others” disappeared. They fail to realize they’d still be living on the margins in service to their wealthy white masters. It wasn’t us “others” who coined the term “poor white trash”. It was their fellow white people.
True about the economy, JackieJormpJomp. The S&P is expected to go down 12% if Trump wins.
A lot of us do care intensely, Kitten, including you and me. I think sometimes I’m losing my mind from caring so much, from being so intensely appalled and disbelieving that this could even happen in America. I’m simultaneously obsessed with and repelled by every single word the newscasters say about the campaign. I turn cable news on and then quickly off again so reflexively that my right hand seems to have a mind of its own, like Dr. Strangelove’s.
I got furious at my husband yesterday because when I was ranting again about The Awfulness of Donald Trump, he agreed in a mild, halfassed way but then pointed out that Clinton is no Girl Scout. At that I started screaming about “false equivalencies,” and he just shut down. On one level I know he despises Trump, too, but on another level I keep wondering if secretly he wants Trump to win just so Hillary will lose. I don’t care for Hillary either (among other things, I worked for Obama in the ’08 campaign and I will never forget the shameful tactics she employed then, including mentioning the possibility that Barack Obama might end up like the assassinated Robert F. Kennedy)–but that’s how bad I consider Trump: that I consider the election of a candidate I can’t stand the salvation of our country in the face of an unthinkably awful GOP nominee.
Believe me, I care. The simple truth is that even aside from what I consider to be the alarming — no, truly catastrophic — idea of Donald Trump being handed the nuclear codes, I would very simply be utterly mortified to have a sleazy, greedy, sexist, racist, xenophobic, utterly dishonest idiot like him as “my” president.
How did we even end up with such an appalling possibility as Donald Trump being the next President of the United States? ? It’s like a really stupid B-movie about the worst thing that could ever happen in politics. And one of the most truly frightening things that has happened on the world stage during my lifetime.
So I’m with you, Kitten. What worries me is what worries you: that many voters really don’t care much either way because they don’t see the implications of a Trump presidency, not only for us Americans, but for the rest of the world.
“I got furious at my husband yesterday because when I was ranting again about The Awfulness of Donald Trump, he agreed in a mild, halfassed way but then pointed out that Clinton is no Girl Scout”
@Lahdidahbaby-YES. My BF and so many of the men around me seem to have such a blasé attitude about Trump. None of them are voting for the guy but every time I’m ranting about him it almost seems like I’m being met with a shoulder shrug.
I know that my guy hates him but he really does seem to think that HRC isn’t much better, which simply blows my mind.
My father HATES Trump (and already voted HRC) but he seems to regard him as a buffoon that won’t get elected, waving him away like he’s a pesky fly, and not an actual viable threat to our society.
I think that just makes me angrier–the privileged cis white men who seem so ambivalent when my girlfriends, my gay friends, my PoC/minority friends and family members are all terrified of what this man could do to them if he wins.
It’s infuriating to witness that virtual CHASM of difference in attitude.
@ Radley
The people I know who are not voting will be the ones who will lose WIC, SNAP, SSI, Section 8, DDS, Medicaid, Pre-K, Planned parenthood and increasing the minimum wage. They really don’t get how this will affect them. What happenes when they realized that the voted for the emperor in his new clothes, or the wizzard behind the curtain? If Trump gets us into a war, it will be their sons who will fight not his. I sincerely believe that if he wins that he will be impeached but then we will be left with Pence who is scarier.
EXACTLY, Kitten — that male shoulder shrug in the face of Trump’s awfulness, even from men we know who aren’t going to vote for him! It’s like they either don’t think Trump can win (sadly WRONG now!) or they see it but are not all that concerned about the ramifications of a Trump presidency for us and the rest of the world. They may see our extreme fear of a Trump presidency as just silly female fear (and if so, that REALLY pisses me off), or they just can’t imagine a President Trump (scary even to type that name with “President”) having that much effect on us and the world. Checks and balances, they like to say. But this country has in many ways been controlled by the far Right for the last few years (look how they blocked Obama at every turn, even shutting down the government to do it), and with a demogogue like Trump at the helm, there’s no telling what could happen.
Glad you’re here, Kitten, and all the rest of the CB crew, too, because it’s gonna be a long 5 days, and could be an even longer 4 years. xxx
Plenty of us care a lot. Hopefully enough of us to send the marmalade disaster packing.
The world is frightened, Trump is a piece of shit.
Ohhh, kitten, some of us care. I come here obsessively for the intelligent discourse from you, LP, melly, WATP and so many more. A virtual hug to all.
@Suzannetoo, a virtual group hug back
Oh my SusanneToo, honoured to be amid such illustrious company. Busy these days — including making Get Out The Vote Calls and last-minute strategic contributions — but will pop in when I can because of the idealistic notion that facts, truth and the American way will prevail.
Seems like things are holding fairly steady but voter suppression, especially in North Carolina, is infuriating and disturbing and potentially consequential. Polls are one thing; being able to cast an actual ballot quite another. And this is the year when the gerrymandering chickens come home to roost.
If anyone would like to help the (often literally) poor voters of North Carolina vote, the NAACP has a Legal Defense Fund and contributions are tax-deductible.
Obviously I meant my statement to exclude present company.
But my point still stands that globally-speaking the world doesn’t look at the USA and see intelligent people who care about the future of our country. They see a self-interested, backwards-ass country that is on the downswing.
In terms of a world-view we don’t get to point and whisper “hey it’s that guy, it’s not me!” because our country is responsible for all its citizens, including the ones who vote for Trump.
Collectively, we have sent the world a message that this hate monster is someone we view as a viable presidential candidate and all the detergent in the world can’t wash away that stain. We can’t just rewind and say “just kidding. PSYCHE!” The damage is done and if he gets elected it will be just another slap in the face after getting our asses kicked.
I’m sorry for being in such a negative mindset today but I’m just so done with all these ignorant assholes having the chance to determine our future.
Just happy I have my C/B crew to commiserate with.
Hello ladies! Question: is 11am too early to start panic drinking? I care so much about this election that it’s killing me.
Great post, Kitten. I’m glad to have this CB circle around me right now, too, because honestly I’m scared shitless Trump might win.
Emily, I’m a fellow Canadian who is also legit afraid of a Trumpocracy. That said, my gut tells me that he won’t win, though it might be very close. Of course, that could be the idealistic part of me hoping that Americans will come through and choose not to elect him, that those who are still undecided (and how on earth could you be at this late stage?) will wake up and remember how awful Trump really is.
And yes, I totally agree that the FBI would not be doing this to a male democratic candidate. They are just too sickening for words.
Another fellow Canadian here and yes, this election is making me sick. A soothing balm has been watching Michael Moore and his live Facebook feed. He offers some hope. We’re with her all the way.
It would help if media stopped saying ” two of the most disliked candidates” because it sounds like they are equal which is not the case. This election smacks us in the face with blatant sexism.
Hey guess what! We’re dual citizens in Canada and we make GOTV calls thanks to the beauty of the Internet.
We’re doing it through hillaryclinton dot com, ACT, make calls…
It passes the time and who knows? It may actually help? In tight races, even a couple of votes per precinct (riding) can make the difference.
Just don’t add an “eh” to the script, LOL. Cheers!
How about you worry about your issues in your own country? I don’t fret over what happens in Canada when you all have an election, and I surely don’t take the time to comment on your elections. I can’t imagine any Canadian liking any Republican any time. So, moveon.org
@Shanique, are you even aware of the US history of tampering with the elections of other countries?
@Shanique I know you’re probably a troll, if the other comments you’ve left here are any indication, but I can’t resist.
If you think that the outcome of the US election won’t affect pretty much any other country on the planet (and that’s regardless of who wins) then I believe that you should go and educate yourself. Also, I do worry about issues in my own country; I can have more than one thought in my head at any given time.
Thanks, and good bye.
Fellow Canadian here as well, and equally terrified that Trump win OR lose.
He will not go gently, and I fear the trouble is just getting started for the USA. Such a divided state, I hope against hope Hillary can pull you together. But it’s almost equal in terms of supporters. Scary so many like someone like Trump 🙁
And they came after our health care. Because you know, waiting is much worse than no care at all. We have issues, sure, but I know if my kids need anything I can go to urgent care and they will be treated. #grateful
@ lightpurple
You are correct. The US does have a long history of meddling in other countries elections. We were just interfering in the Israeli election, they even used American tax dollars, to try to defeat Netanyahu.
@Shanique….. here comes another unwanted Canadian opinion for ya…The entire world realizes that some special snowflake Americans think that simply because they are ignorant about the world beyond their borders, that we all should be. Sorry, ignorance is not bliss, no matter how far Trump has gotten by on it. Also, we neither seek, or, require your approval to express said opinions. My brother, his family, sister in law and family and various cousins, aunts and uncles, are actually American citizens, so, explain to me how your election does not affect ME?
Shanique – Canada doesn’t have a stockpile of enough nuclear weapons to make large portions of the planet uninhabitable and other areas unable to be cultivated because of the fallout and dust kicked up that will travel around the world (including back to the USA). Canada also doesn’t have nuclear codes to launch the missiles that one person in the White House can trigger in a few minutes without consultation. But Canada will be damaged along with everybody else if Trump wakes up at 3am, is bored with Twitter but mad about something someone somewhere said about him, and decides to launch WWIII in response because “we have nukes, why not use them?”
Canada and others countries do have a stake in our election, unfortunately.
I moved all my 401K into an index bond (basically savings) until after the first of this year. The market is already roiling from Trump’s poisonous influence.
Yeah, if don’t get out of the stock market now then be prepared to lose a ton of money. It shocks me that most people don’t know their 401K is dependent on the stock market.
Unfortunately, Australia’s superannuation scheme doesn’t allow us to do that – so I guess I can look forward to 20+ years of savings disappearing next week.
Eff you Trump. Not being content to declare bankruptcy six times himself, he’s now threatening to bankrupt the whole world.
Yes, I have heard that they expect the S&P to drop 12% if Trump wins. The markets like “known” and Trump has no logic and is unhinged.
@ Kath, just stay invested. Don’t pull out if it tanks.
It’s counter intuitive, but its like all the stock just went on sale.
Yeah shitty for you, because you bought full price stocks, but you can buy more, and your current ones will still appreciate. Usually the market rebounds and you recoup those losses, unless you pulled out too late. This has been the case after every single tanking of the market so far.
As long as you have time to wait (5-10 years) you will be fine.
It’s the people who are retiring soon that really need to be concerned. they won’t have time for things to stabilize.
Source: my working for investment bankers for a few years. Every single one said this.
This election is an intelligence test for our country, plain and simple.
The past four presidential elections have been an intelligence test. The US failed the first two but at least passed that last ones. I thought the Republican candidates could not get worse but then Trump came along and morons who made him their candidate.
Come on, be fair. Gore won but the SC awarded the presidency to Bush, so really we’ve passed three of four.
Shanique, we are your biggest trading partner and our news is saturated with information on your election. Of course the outcome will effect us.
Shanique, Ted Cruz is/was a Canadian from Calgary Alberta. You can keep him.
And Justin Bieber. I don’t want data about this election any more. There’s no point. It’s just being masochistic. I can’t vote or influence it in any way. I’m an atheist but I’m going to pray to something. And drink. And eat bad things. And hope sanity prevails.
A militant white racist (US) informed me that the name “Shanique” is frequently used to “post things we think a black girl would say.” Maybe Shanique is the real deal or maybe she’s a real racist in disguise. A friend named Holly posted as Holly on a Storm Front site as a “real deal” African American. After she was “banned for being black,” she was welcomed back as “Storm Front Shanique.” She still gets their goat. Fighting back with humor can bring relief.
It is her name. It is a mixture of her mother’s name and the word ‘unique’. Can we drop this, please? You can differ on political viewpoints and remain civil. Remember the “when they go low, we go high”? Aside from telling Canadians that their viewpoints are not wanted or valid, she hasn’t really gone low. However, she has received several comments making fun of her name, calling her a troll and accusing her of making up a caricature of a ‘black’ name.
You may not like what she has to say or share her point of view, that’s fine. You may abhor her choice of presidential candidate, great most people here do. Echo chambers are boring and hearing other perspectives can be educational and enlightening even if it doesn’t change your beliefs. When approached respectfully she has been completely willing to engage in a dialogue. She isn’t just posting to work people into a lather and running, she isn’t being overly argumentative and she is talking about politics not personally about commenters. Either ignore her or tell her why you disagree. Please give her the respect of not dismissing her as a troll and making fun of a lovely family name.
I politely disagree with you @ Christin. I’m a Hillary supporter, but just saying vote for Hillary if you’re smart or vote for Trump if you’re dumb is to overly simple. It misses all the reasons non-racist/bigoted people are flocking to him. The republican party has been letting lots of people down since the 80’s. I think dismissing Trump supporters (the non-bigots) is a huge mistake. They aren’t going away after the election. If we can’t figure out how to level with them and how to bridge the divide then this country is in real trouble. If we (Hillary supporters) can’t be the adults about this, who is?
I would agree that this election is a morality test for our country. Morality is dependent on your point of view and differs depending on perspective.
I live in a heavily red area, and I have effectively given up on trying to educate or expect civility from the individuals who insist voters are not Christian/patriotic/etc., if they do not vote one way (no matter what).
I live this daily, and know from decades of being around it (since the 1980 election) that reason and facts — however politely presented — don’t sway the hard liners. Their view of morality is that the GOP solely holds it, even with the current candidate offered. Critical thinking ability is even less than I ever imagined.
I still have confidence and hope that there are enough voters to make the right decision. Not just what they want for the Supreme Court or because they steadfastly believe every innuendo, factless claim about any Dem.
Donald Trump is an anti-feminist reaction, by men who feel sidelined; that is, small white men, with little than, more or less, a high school education (and those women who love them). Change is scary to people who see society changing from unquestioned biblical assumptions, into a more rigorous scientific mode; most notably, to the male power structures around the world: even Putin is against woman acquiring respect of office, and equal pay. How many women walk around the globe, assured, owning their own vision? How many of us are subject to the pressures that Donald Trump imposes, by his beauty contests? A more sincere question is how many women deserve our serious and sustained support because of their vision for human community?
I wish that the US media would pay more attention to the world’s reactions to this election. We know what Putin wants – – – However, I watched Korean television today. They are in the midst of a leadership and corruption crisis, but they are adamant that Hillary did nothing in comparison. Why even Bernie Sanders, who was a contender of Hillary, in their first debate,, said that he is tired of hearing about her emails. Emails are a non-issue, flamed into an insane rhetoric, by those who fear real and continued progress. The evidence of patriarchal nervous breakdown is everywhere!
I’m with you Kaiser
+1
i’m with you, I’m with Her, and I’m with Jack
Shamby- I wanted to thank you for that brills Seth Meyer quote from yesterday. I shared it on social media and people liked away.
*hugs* to my friend.
*hugs you*
It made me feel so much better watching him say that. It was like… YES. There it is, all laid out. I’m not taking crazy pills, this is real.
I’m feeling the brutality of this election right along with you, my friend. It sucks and I’m so anxious. I’m with you in spirit. ❤️
me as well
That story is horrible, yet I don’t feel sorry for Donald Jr because he fully supports his father and does nothing to stop what is going on.
Diaper Don. OMG. Priceless.
I do feel sorry for his children and totally believe he was not a good father. I suspect his children despise him but have been brought up to maintain the appearances, hence their current public support.
Trump shouldn’t have dragged his family to the limelight, he’s the only one thriving for it.
So, by that logic, you feel sorry for Trump who was raised by his crummy father?
ALL the Trumps and their spouses are POSs…they’re predators; not victims.
Donald himself is cray cray because of his own Dad. Seriously, read a bit upon what he expected from Donald. Think he has never got out of the shadows of Dads expectation of him. His brother committed suicide, even Donald said his brother never could please their Dad. Think there are a lot of problems with trying to live up to a particular type of masculinity in Dons family.
The Donald, Jr. story is sad. No wonder he was drunk all the time. It’s good that he got control over the alcohol, but he is still so damaged. The way Donald Sr. treated their mother really scarred them, and they were emotionally and physically abused by their father just as he was by his father. When Donald Jr. was about 12 years old, he said to his father something like “You don’t love us, you don’t even love yourself. All you love is your money.”
It’s not uncommon for an abused child to hate the abuser but also be desperate for acceptance from him. That’s part of the dynamic here. I think they also obviously are hoping the old geezer will leave them a chunk of change when he dies, but that might not happen.
The Stockholm syndrome is obvious, for these children.
I’m going to need a lot of Xanax to get through the next few days.
I’ve gotten my doctor to increase the dosage on my anti-anxiety meds. Just in time, too.
I have had to double up on mine!
I wasn’t going to vote early, but I did in case I die of a stress heart attack before election day. Thank God for kaiser, able to express my feelings exactly and lowering my blood pressure just a bit.
*sob* I don’t have any Xanax. I guess I’ll just drink heavily. And turn off the news. And pray.
My greatest fear is we either get a Trump presidency and this nightmare continues for four years or somehow Congress gets the job of nominating the President after a tie.
Ha! The liquor companies are making a fortune off this election!
I told a friend I could not WAIT for the voting to be over, and he said… that won’t be the end of it. If Trump loses he will contest EVERY FREAKING THING, plus his followers have vowed revenge. And if he wins he won’t last a year. Aaarrghgh!
I still question whether he really wants the job. I think his family has a jump-off business strategy ready to roll. He just likes ramping up the fringe audience, which is hopefully more bark than bite.
Doesn’t matter. If he wins, he has the job. It just raises the bar for him to think about what additional power (and pu**ies) he can grab.
I question the media conglomerates – those folks (owners of networks) *making money with our tears*, by having a contentious election – that has showcased, A Truly Deplorable… That is the real story of American politics: media ownership – that is, * Money Running Wild* for media corporations. The networks have made huge $$$ with the US elections -and apparently that is the bottom line for them. It made sense to have a big fight, with a deplorable, financially. An election is even more profitable than reality TV.
This whole mess with the FBI may become a major problem for whoever wins this election. I think this is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to shady happenings at the agency.
It’s absolutely amazing to me that there’s a government agency trying to rig a presidential election but… emails
It’s amazing to me that there’s an entire elected body of public officials trying to block or destroy vitally needed social legislation and blocking critical appointments to the country’s top court.
What a year.
Especially amazing that the FBI is trying to rig the election. FBI agents are highly intelligent and well trained. These aren’t high school drop outs were talking about here.
I think I’m more worried about the FBI situation but they’re related. The Russian meddling is what our government has done to many others in other ways, people are just going to have to stop being so trusting of revelations stolen by hackers. We don’t know how incomplete, how distorted, or how altered while fooling the verification tool they might be. Other documents via other sources have floated up from the toilet that are really vicious fakes, pretending to be evidence of every right wing conspiracy about Hillary. A Democrat on the Homeland Security committee had his official letterhead forged for one of them. They were turned over to the FBI, but who can we trust there?
Maybe Comey isn’t the partisan troll that I thought he was when he sent that odd letter to Congress. He had said he had to inform Congress even if prematurely because it was going to be leaked. I thought that was a crazy excuse, but obviously not. He might still be a man of reasonable integrity dealing with rogue agents who are loyal to the Trump campaign rather than to him, the Attorney General, and the President. He might have been trying to soften the impact, just not very skillfully.
The rogues seem to be concentrated in the NYC office. Giuliani was boasting about his contacts within the FBI who keep him informed – he’s backtracking now, claiming they are retired, since somebody might have mentioned the legal problem with that. Trump has also been bursting to tell a secret for a while before the letter was released and repeating endlessly that Hillary was going to be indicted. (He might not realize that the FBI can’t indict anybody, good luck with that.) Trump’s daughter-in-law said (after release of the letter) that Trump “forced the FBI’s hand”. This all seems to add up to serious collusion between FBI agents, a Presidential candidate and his campaign and probably some other high-ranking Republicans. How far back does it go? The whole e-mail thing seemed way overblown and out of proportion to me. One worry is that a rogue agent might plant something on Weiner’s laptop. Ordinarily the FBI would be the one to discover signs of such tampering, but that’s a difficulty here. Some very powerful people with a lot of profits on the line must be quite determined to get rid of Hillary once and for all. My bet is that it’s our old friends the medical insurance companies. Hillary is open to extending Medicare downward, which would really cut into profits. They really stick it to people in their fifties with huge annual rises in premiums and deductibles.
If the FBI is really investigating the Clinton Foundation, that’s peculiar also. “Pay to play” is meaningless when talking about donations to a real charity that is not a cover for funneling money into somebody’s pockets. Which it isn’t or those Republicans hiding under all the beds would have posted the video by now. It’s also obvious that Hillary only met with people any Secy of State would have met with.
The agents have been also downplaying any connection between Trump and Putin and Putin’s friends, but my guess is that Manafort is still on the payroll and acting as an intermediary with the Russians and the source of ideas for what to do next for maximum effect with minimum risk. The server in Trump Tower communicating with the Russian bank might have been just for financial transactions not unlikely for a fellow deep in debt to a Russian bank or its clients and also looking for business opportunities and investors. I would expect shady stuff would occur face to face. The bank might have insisted on a private server or Trump understandably wants to minimize the chance of his relationships getting out. His biggest secret is probably that he isn’t very rich and his liabilities sre bigger than his assets.
@jwoolman – very good post. Obviously what we know now is that this election is rigged in Trump’s favor so the question is what can we do about it? The FBI and Russian leaks/hacks have very strongly influenced the last week and I wonder if there is anything Obama can do between November and January. If not, then we know that Trump’s corruption and collusion will just cover this whole thing up. What is happening is the equivalent of a coup and it’s a matter of whether we let Trump get away with it or not. I can’t imagine CIA and other intelligence agencies wanting Trump versus Hillary so now is the time for some action.
I suspect the Internal Affairs Unit has been working overtime since Comey sent his letter last week.
Sadly, Internal Affairs is usually the first department to be turned to make sure this cr@p just slides.
What we are seeing is the culmination of almost Forty years of conservative warfare against the American people and process. Its a three-pronged attack. Destroy the labor market (and blame the workforce themselves for it), dismantle the education system by continually defunding it and scapegoating the educators, and keep healthcare difficult to access for all but the wealthy. An uneducated, poor and sick citizenry is easy to control. And of course, you ensure this control by infiltrating law enforcement itself. This characterizes the Trump supporters in my area. They continue to vote against themselves.
It’s very sad, Fire rabbit – but Hillary does not give up, nor should We.
I dream of the day when President Clinton walks into the White House, sits at her desk, picks up her phone and makes that first call, ‘Get me the Director of the FBI, NOW!’
And the e-mails on Weiner’s laptop really did turn out to be nothing, as predicted. Comey recently reported that all the ones potentially relevant to Hillary have been reviewed and the original decision stands. Nothing there, folks. Move along….
jwoolman: Heartfelt thanks, for the information you shared.
I’m planning on going to this amazing liquor emporium to stock up.
I’m a Scott Melker fan and I saw that post and shared it. I absolutely believe every word of that story. I want to feel bad for Trump’s children but they’re no longer kids, they are adults who are complicit in their father’s evil campaign. So disgusted and nauseated by this entire family of deplorables.
And I hope everyone has seen the disgusting photos of trump’s sons grinning away after slaughtering animals in canned trophy killings.
Exactly. I’ve been on the Hate Train with those two since way back when.
You know, I’m not an animal person, at all, but those two mooks smiling away with an elephant’s severed tail… so disgusting. It’s one sad (but on some level) understandable thing when people kill an elephant that has damaged crops; there’s literally no excuse for canned hunts.
Kitten, I have read your posts, for quite some time, so I would never assume that I could counsel you. Might you see, perhaps, that you are very sweet and good? I know you are a bad ass – but you are full of kindnesses, that will endure. Hugs, from me.
The three oldest children have been bought and paid for.
Trump is over exagerating his ties to Russia AND Putin would eat him alive in any conversation.
Putin won’t even bother with a conversation; he’ll just eat him alive.
Haha light purple, if only it could happen before election day.
It is the most frightening thing to think about just how out of his depths Trump will be on the world stage. Freakin Theresa May could eat Trump alive.
Did you read what Michael Hayden said in the WaPo today about Trump being Putin’s “useful fool”? Shudder.
Putin is scared of Hillary. Pretty evident he fears her. When you even look at pictures of him & Hillary his body language isn’t his typical Alpha male stance. Love that Puty Puty is afraid of Hillary.
Like we stare down any male who is a jerk!@
Seriously, men take up a sword – can’t we do, due diligence, for ourselves, without an instrument of harm? We Can!!! – We will – And I am not a” prophet”.
I trust Hillary. I make her a Mother. It is very telling about Hillary’s character, that Chelsea, her daughter, remains so idealistic about her parents, and life. Chelsea is pure, in this way.
It’s so ridiculous that Trump supporters think Trump would be on the samel level as people like Merkel, Putin, May etc pp. All of them are much more experienced and much more effcient politicians than the orangeCheeto.
I had already seen the Giuliani and trump, jr. stories on twitter, but was unable to link them. Thanks for doing a thread on them.
There was a interview on a late night news show last night (BBC Newsnight) which said the UK Gov is very nervous and ‘there may be 2 madmen in charge of the world’..obvs Putin being the other..
I too am very nervous and feel like I a watching a horror movie when you are peeking out through the hands over your eyes..plus nothing I or others can do but hope against hope..
Or worse, Hillary has ties to child sex trafficking. Yup. Its all in the WikiLeaks emails.
If you mean the emails reveal that she worked against child trafficking, then sure.
That b!tch trying to stop child sex trafficking. What a nasty woman.
Well, if you want rapist Julian Assange to make your decisions for you
Or better, trump will be tried for child rape. Court date set for December. A nice Christmas, Festivus, Kwaanza, Hannukah present for us.
@alexis What the…. are you talking about and why?Oh never mind, probably just a deranged troll.
LOL I feel like we should change “the deplorables” to “the delusionals”.
Kitten, we have a huge task ahead of Us to educate, but we are fierce, forever, wouldn’t you say?
“What’s worse, Donald Trump’s ties to Russia or his ties to the FBI?”
The FBIs ties to Russia?
This whole thing reeks, and, if Trump gets in, it’s not going to be cleaned up.
Yes, the level of f*cked-up-ness is at the maximum.
I’m legit terrified for the future. Like was in tears last night scared of what might happen if he gets elected. And even if he doesn’t because he won’t just disappear, and neither will his ignorant followers. I have never felt this nervous about the future before, and am so scared for my kids growing up in this world. Why did i have kids? I don’t want WWIII. This is out of hand.
I understand how you feel. I was petrified last year, when PM Harper pushed C-51, a law that is your Patriot Act. Terrifying. Unnecessary, and terrifying.
He was defeated by our now PM Trudeau, thank god, but for those months where it seemed he would be re elected, I seriously looked into leaving Canada for the UK- Sweden, Britain, Finland. Anywhere but here.
((hugs))
Thank god, indeed. We were getting a little too police state.
p.s. Wasn’t it glorious watching our country change colour on election night.
Sam, i feel you. I don’t have kids so my fear level is probably a bit lower. But I love my country. We’re loud and obnoxious. We like telling other people what to do. Sometimes we can be a bit full of ourselves. But other times we save the world from evil and that’s pretty cool. You have to just believe that love trumps hate and at the end of the day people will do the right thing.
I have Jewish family members, and I am so scared for them. There is so much bigotry in Trump’s message, and eventually that will translate into actions on my fellow Americans. With out vote, we must send the message that this is unacceptable.
Oh, honey, that is merely the Trump campaign; not reality. The world is Open to Love – and we Must Always challenge Ourselves to Do This. I need not prod you, to the truth of life, for sure: We all Know This by instinct, and it’s not just humans that feel moral outrage, and compassion!!!
The world/humans are DEFINITELY open to love, but it’s also very easy to turn people against certain groups by dehumanising them and this is the lesson of history. You would be stupid not to be concerned by what is happening now.
He is truly a dangerous man. Hillary has her problems, but her emails are far less a threat to national security than Trump’s ties to Russia. His hair trigger temper and unwillingness to listen to the facts during a security debriefing would drag us into so many fights that are not ours to deal with.
I don’t know what to think. The anti-hillary smear campaign has worked very well. My whole family can’t stand her & I feel they were brainwashed by Republican media.
I love my family very much, but they will not listen to any argument I give against trump. I’ve decided to stop talking to them about it because my relationship with them is more important. They are smart people who are literally Rush Limbaugh brainwashed & I don’t have any deprogramming tools.
That’s what I think people are missing. My family is Republican for religious reasons. They are excited because they think Trump can get justices in to overturn Roe v Wade. There’s just no talking to them. Which makes me very sad.
That just sucks. I’m so sorry. I know the feeling of having the Trump talking points vomitted out by a family member who is unwilling to listen to reason. Thankfully, I’ve been able to slowly turn most my right wing family a lovely shade of purple. They’ll vote for HRC for president but most will probably vote republican for senate/congress. Baby steps.
It has been a long time since I’ve commented but I used to be a regular around here (not sure if anyone will remember me… if so, Hi, ladies!) I’ve been lurking on these threads lately like a hawk because they’ve been making me feel so much comfort. I’m from a red state and I am the only one in my family not voting for The Donald, and let me tell you, @Ellis, I feel your pain.
The smear campaign has worked SO well on my family, friends, etc. It’s easy to think that his supporters are all backwoods, uneducated morons (because why would any sane person vote for him?) but the truth is, every member of my family is upper middle class, college educated, and (mostly) wonderful human beings. They do, however, believe that Hillary is a “crook” and that Trump is the face of the coming revolution to completely dismantle our current system and “shake things up.” That’s what’s killing me – they don’t even agree with his “policies” (using that term loosely), they just like the idea of someone that they see as an anti-government outsider infiltrating evil Washington and causing problems. I don’t know how to reason with that.
I, too, believe a revolution is coming. I don’t think America makes it out of this election without some serious changes. I just happen to think that the revolution they’re imagining and the revolution I’m predicting (if he’s elected) are two very different things. I am terrified.
Anyway, this was a super long ramble all to say — I feel your pain, and big thanks to everyone here who has been quite a comfort to me recently.
Hey Brown! Long time, friend 🙂
*waves*
@Kitten!! Glad to see you remembered me! I miss the days of raging on Leann Rimes threads with you guys. (Off topic but have you been following her new “album” release? Tragic.)
Look at me – so opinionated, and you ask, how to endure the loss of family, by your mere thoughts (isn’t that crazy, that you will be denied entry, by your personal truth?). Imagine, in time, if Bruno, or Copernicus had recanted – we are social beings, and everything we do is for flourishing, like the trees, living simply, reaching high for sunlight, and deep into earth. You have no control of these processes of evolution, but to grow! Sunlight, and soil, is the truth of all being.
I am in a constant state of terror and anger at this point. Last night I got into an argument with my boss, who claimed that Hillary was totally scummy and yet couldn’t give me one example of how. He also then claimed that liberals are the most racist people – I told him he was insane but it was in the midst of an argument with him and my other boss (the two conservative, white male heads of my firm) so I got distracted by another point and didn’t beat him down on just how racist the right wing is and how he’s living in an echo chamber with these other smug old white guys who listen to Fox News and make these kind of nonsense statements that they all agree with even though, on their face, they’re completely bogus. So now I’m mad at myself that I didn’t do a better job of showing him last night just how baseless his claims are. So now I’ve got that anger to deal with too. Ugh. My boyfriend is seriously worried I’m going to have heart attack if I don’t let go of some of this stress and anger. Instead, I read things like this Guardian article which sum up exactly why this election is so depressing: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/03/donald-trump-america-fears-jessica-valenti-election-2016?CMP=oth_b-aplnews_d-1
It really is the fox news/talk radio bubble turning people into stepford voters. We have all got to find a way to engage and combat the brainwashing.
Trump dismisses security briefings. Of course he does! He’s a narcissist who thinks he knows better/more than the experts! This is why he’s so dangerous!!! You can’t think “oh, it will be okay if he gets elected because his cabinet will help.” HE WON’T LISTEN TO THEM.
I have several family members who are/were intelligent officers and the idea that Trump dismisses them off hand is horrifying.
This is such an important point!!!
He does not care to know better! He doesn’t care to listen to experts! I thought that at some point during the primaries/general election he would have taken some time to study to get at least a small grasp of the issues, but nope.
I can only hope and have faith that a majority of Americans are not fooled by Donald Trump and that will be proven on election day. I’m nervous because it’s unbelievable he’s as close as he is. And if (please God!) he loses he won’t do it quietly or humbly. It’s going to be a while before things calm down.
What’s worse? Hillary’s emails that are actually TRUE. That were sent on an unprotected server. Where the Justice Department has said over 5 foreign countries have hacked them. That’s what is worse.
And that she sold out our State Department for meetings with countries that gave to the Clinton foundation. Those things are real.
Did she actually send an email directly to any foreigner in which state secrets were divulged? No, she did not so there goes this whole expensive and annoying email argument. And no, her server was not hacked. The servers of the recipients were, which could happen regardless of whatever server she used.
Actually they now have evidence that her server was compromised, the FBI is 99% sure.
I think it’s time to look at the credibility and reliability of the FBI.
Seriously.
@ original kay
Sure, but you should probably also question HRC’s credibility too.
Seriously.
dom, how can you talk about Hillary’s credibility when Trump will deny saying things that he is on tape saying? When he has been found to lie every 2-3 minutes in a day? When he has the most “pants on fire” comments of any of the dozen of candidates in this election?
Seriously.
” Mr. Trump is an authoritarian. He’s not much interested in ideas or rules, and that includes the U.S. Constitution, the most cerebral of government documents. His values and impulses are not those of the America – the great American – the world knows and needs”
From Globe and Mail editorial
Guys, stop feeding the Russian trolls!!! You need to starve them!
Russian trolls? Goodness. Have you ever asked yourself why a State Secretary would communicate business via a private server in the first place? The Clinton Foundation is another topic to have a good look at, which the IRS is doing since month btw. So please do not call people trolls just because they ask themselves questions.
@Siri, why yes, I have! Let’s ask Condi and Colin why they did that, shall we? And after we ask them, let’s ask W why he did the same. Now, your point was?
@Lightpurple: Neither Powell nor Rice set up a private server inside their homes. There is a huge difference between using a private SERVER and the use of a private email account on a State Dept. server.
Siri- a server is just a hard disk with software to route and store e-mail in this case, or in general anything that may be shared on a network. It’s not mysterious. Plenty of people have them in home networks. People used to buy old computers to use as servers, an old Mac could fit easily inside a closet. Hillary’s server was there already because Bill had set it up at one time for something. Rice and Powell used commercial ISPs accessible by modem as their starting point (I think Powell used AOL?), and the modem just converts the data stream from your computer to a signal that can travel via phone or cable to the first ISP server along the path (which again is a hard disk …). Setting up your own server is not a sign of any shady business. Hillary’s private server was probably less visible and thus more secure against hackers than the government servers at the time. In any case, the account she used on her home server did not receive classified material. If she needed to access classified information, she went to the State server. The FBI says they found no sign she was hacked, but even if she were- nothing classified was there to get out.
Really sensitive material is not bandied about by e-mail. There are secure rooms for that.
@jwoolman, it’s not mainly about setting up a private server in regard to the possibility of hacking sensitive or classified material. That could be one of the consequences of her actions. But when a Secretary of State decides to conduct most of her professional business on a privately installed home server, she intentionally puts herself above the law. The State Dept. server is supposed to be used for good reasons, since all government communication of this type is supposed to be kept and available for review and dissemination according to the Freedom of Information Act. It is completely unacceptable that she be allowed to filter out/delete any emails- which HER lawyers did with 30+k emails, and with the argument they were private- because the State Dept. is responsible for keeping the information and providing it to the National Archive and Records Administration. So that no one person gets to decide what the public gets to know. In this regard, it’s not really far-fetched to imply an intention to be able to withhold information that’s supposed to be public property by setting up this private server.
@Siri, no, they used a PRIVATE server in their offices. As did George W. Bush and his staff. The server belonged to the RNC.
By the way, even on government servers, people go through and purge emails all the time. They have to do so because servers only hold so much and the government does not have the money to be constantly purchasing new servers. There are rules for how the purges are conducted, they are usually conducted by individuals whose email boxes are full and you have no proof that HRC did not follow those rules.
Small potatoes by comparison Shanique.
“Hillary’s emails that are actually TRUE.”
You’ve already swallowed the Kool-Aid, but you should know they are finding faked documents in the leaks.
Who found fake documents, and said they did?
U.S. Senator Tom Carper, a Democrat on the Senate Homeland Security Committee. His name and stationary were forged to make it appear that he sent a letter to Clinton telling her that they wouldn’t let her lose the election.
Thank you. I read an article about it from Reuters, but this Carter letter has nothing to do with the Wikileaks emails. Nobody knows yet how this letter came into circulation.
Shanique might actually be one of those Russian trolls paid to elect Trump. See Samantha Bee’s show (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/russian-online-troll-tells-samantha-bee-why-she-prefers-donald-trump_us_58184cafe4b0990edc3340d2).
It was a very funny bit, but I doubt real paid Russian trolls would interview with a comedian and chat about their goals and work. The tear-off strips on the sign on the tree saying “Work at home!” in Russian was a nice touch. Do real paid Russian trolls exist? Yes. It’s a disinformation campaign, so somebody has to spread the disinformation and online is a cheap way to do it. Multiple accounts are common, then the troll can make it seem that several people agree with him or her. They probably don’t work so much out of their home region, though, since preference would be for someone fluent in the language of the target.
We do see paid trolls of American origin on many topics, especially concerning certain celebrities and Scientology, although we also see sincere people who have simply read or watched very unreliable sources like Fox News or Donald Trump himself, and actually believe what they write about Hillary.
How dangerous was it for Hillary to blame Russia for the hack and get them involved when it’s been proven they weren’t the ones who got the emails? Yes, Hillary, let’s start the Cold War all over again because you were careless with your emails. And she wants to be president? Who wants to hide under desks again because we are afraid of Nuclear war?
When did we stop fearing nuclear war? Isn’t that fear the basis of the republican policy on Iran? And your chosen candidate has made it clear that he considers nuclear war preferable to diplomacy.
Please show me where he said, in quotes, he prefers war over diplomacy. You guys make up anything you want about Trump and we all don’t understand how you can distort his words so horribly. He NEVER said that.
You wanna bring up Iran? And the pay off Obama just gave them? Really?
Oh, Shanique, you need to answer my questions first. That’s how it works. By the way, Obama isn’t running for president. Payoff? That was money owed. But don’t let. Truth or reality interfere with your embrace of republican lies. Now, back to my original questions of whether Clinton deliberately emailed secrets harmful to US interests to any foreigner and when did we stop fearing nuclear war?
Trump asked if we have nukes, why don’t we use them. He said he’d be open to nuking EUROPE. Trump doesn’t even know what the nuclear triad is, FFS. Let’s not pretend that he any understanding of these weapons.
SHAnique still has not answered my questions
@ Shanique
Oh you mean the $1.7 billion ransom payment.
Shanique the thing about Trumpnis that he’s so unhinged that we don’t need to make things up. He is seriously unfit for office and he is absolutely an elite, epitomizing the entitlement of the 1%. Don’t defend him and don’t vote for him. He will not improve your life.
The 1.7B was because the US was in the middle of selling arms to Iran in the 1970s. We took 1.7B from them, then did not deliver the weapons. There were going to be international tribunals that would have added BILLIONS in interest on to the amount owed. The Obama administration paid the amount owed and avoided the large interest fees. The payment was made in cash because it is illegal to wire money to Iran.
“when it’s been proven they weren’t the ones who got the emails?”
ALL of our intelligence agencies disagree with you, darling. Do some research.
Hillary did not tell the truth when she claimed that 17 intelligence agencies had determined the Russians were responsible for the hacking. Only two agencies — the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (DNI) — have even addressed this issue, and their conclusion is somewhat different from Hillary’s interpretation of it. The joint statement by DHS and DNI was that the hacks are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts, with the presumed intention to interfere with the election process in the United States. But whoever hacked those emails, it’s their content that’s important, given they are authentic.
Siri- 17 agencies were involved, looking at different aspects. They all signed off on the conclusion. That’s how teams work.
The tool used for verification that no alterations have been made in an e-mail message utilizes a digital signature embedded in the e-mail. Not all messages have that digital signature and the tool can’t verify them.
More importantly, the fact that people using the tool don’t know a way to alter the e-mail while avoiding detection by the tool does not mean it can’t be done. It is never an absolute method of authentication. Any government or organization interested in pursuing this kind of disinformation campaign will certainly put significant resources into bypassing any common used authentication tools. Only a few messages would need to be altered to cause serious trouble.
People are much too trusting. We are dealing with information stolen by people who want to discredit a political candidate and thereby influence our election. We do not know if they can successfully fool the current tools to verify lack of alteration. We do not know the missing parts of the conversation or even who actually saw the message. Various staffers handle e-mail in a political campaign office. The candidate sees very few of them even if addressed to him or her. I don’t know how many people are foolish enough to change their vote based on such uncertainties obviously raised by those who do not have our best interests in mind, but some people are going to a lot of trouble to do it. That’s very disturbing to me.
Not just our intelligence agencies are convinced the hackers are Russian. All the European intelligence agencies are saying the same thing, and they’ve been dealing with Russian hacks and meddling in their elections also.
In our case, Putin really doesn’t want to have to deal with President Hillary Clinton. He wants a US President that will ignore his activities and not cooperate with NATO to keep Putin from annexing nearby countries and parts of countries. Trump has been making it clear that he will do just that. He may be a loose cannon and changeable as the wind, but he has consistently been pro-Putin and denying the Russian meddling in our election despite all the evidence. The Europeans are rightfully very concerned about Trump.
Shanique, this is when I turn off. Question yourself, dear. because the questions you ask are full of bullshit. They are not sincere, and I don’t have time for this tonight – sorry, I’m not perfectly patient with you. Signing Off!
Sweden thinks this election is an IQ-test for the USA. #Imwithher
The Swedes have no room for criticism right now. How’s the violence in Malmo these days?
Don’t worry. Enjoying the silence. 🙂
Ah. Ok.
http://www.thelocal.se/20161103/young-man-dies-after-multiple-shootings-hit-malmo
ALL countries have situations like that. Malmö is a very safe city. Situations like that happens in all countries now and then (even more in the USA…). And you’re saying Swedes have no room for criticism about the WORSE election in history that will not only effect USA but the whole world because of incidents in Malmö? Ah. Ok. Discussion over.
Per capita Sweden’s crime rate is through the roof, which may be why it is now losing Swedes to other countries. Eye, mote, beam
LOL. You’re so WRONG. You don’t even know what you’re talking about. But please, feel free to think what you want. I know my country. Not going to answer you after this. Bye!
Frosty, I’m assuming you’re an American. We have no room to criticize Sweden. Let’s just defeat the would-be orange dictator and get our house in order before we try criticizing others.
@Frosty, given the extreme gun violence in our country with our frequent mass shootings, your references to Sweden are laughable. Shall we discuss this week’s multiple mass shootings in Louisiana?
Well Lightpurple both level of violence are partly result of public policy. US however has a long and gory attachment to guns and frontier mythology still informing its behavior. Sweden has a very different history, obviously, which makes its descent more remarkable. IMO. The level of violence, especially rape, now in Sweden is unprecedented – for them. Are swedes “dumb” for not coming to terms with it, or getting distracted by side issues to avoid coming to hard answers? maybe. that’s human nature. Different to Americans? Not in my opinion.
So, we’re just supposed to accept two mass shootings, one in Shreveport and one in Little Rock because some people have a long history of loving guns and, oh yes, Sweden? The presidency of Sweden will not be on my ballot Tuesday and it is long past time we did something about ending our own level of violence.
@Lightpurple – no, not at all. It’s difficult, not impossible. OP had joked to the effect the election is an IQ test. ’tain’t that easy
OR….how about HRC’s involvement in the Uranium deal. Podesta also has ties to Russia.
Good grief. Look at the real story about the infamous uranium, which won’t even leave the country. The State Department was just one of many involved in signing off on it.
I suggest worrying about Trump’s ties to Russia. Many signs point to him being in huge debt to Russian creditors, and he’s been talking about looking the other way if Putin wants to expand. This is very dangerous.
When are you renaming the site to Trumpbitchy?
As soon as we beat his punk ass
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+1,000
Melly: You are awesome! 🙋
As soon as we can say “you’re fired” to him on Nov 9th.
Amazing how so many Trump talking point distributors are out in full force today.
I’m super anxious.
((hugs)) 4 days there might be some peace, at least in finally having the answers.
Hilary will win. Clinton/Kaine2016.
Clinton: Yes We Kaine!
Kaine and Able.
I am honestly disgusted by how low the level of discourse has sunk. Ad hominem attacks are considered par for the course and reasonable, even though they’re fallacious and contrary to reason. Instead of discussing facts, people are just name-calling. It’s honestly disgusting.
Why am I, as a woman, supposed to give Hillary a free pass for her pay to play – doing favours for foreign governments in return for donations to her foundation? Why am I supposed to avert my eyes when she colludes with the press (as evidenced by the stuff with Donna Brazile and the dinner for 65 journalists)? Why am I supposed to ignore the fact that the Clinton campaign ILLEGALLY coordinated with her superPAC? Why should I ignore the videos that have come out confirming that people hired by her campaign were instigating violence at Trump rallies?
Why am I supposed to ignore the 47-year history of sexual assault Bill Clinton has, dating back to 1969 in England? Why am I supposed to pretend that I think it’s okay that Hillary Clinton attacked victims of her husband’s sexual assault? Why am I supposed to be okay with the Clinton’s ties to a known child sexual abuser, Jeffrey Epstein?
Why am I supposed to want open borders, when the US government allows its own people to starve, to be homeless, to go without healthcare?
I think you typed Clinton/Hillary/Bill instead to Trump and his minions.
I also wonder why suddenly this site has so many trolls? Stay strong fellow Bitches! Don’t give in to the negativity, and the obvious trolls trying to further cause anxiety by having you type the same responses again and again, trying to educate those who cannot be.
I’m also enjoying the occasional cry to stop the posts. As if one is forced to click on a particular subject.
We have a reality show/tabloid wanna-be playboy running for highest office, so it is gossip fodder.
Right, so your response is an ad hominem attack. Because obviously anyone who disagrees with you is a troll and not someone who’s been on this site for YEARS, enjoying gossip and loving feminism. And suddenly, this toxicity. This inability to do anything other than name-call whilst pretending you hold the moral high ground.
What exactly is the difference between Bill Cosby and Bill Clinton? And why the difference in the perceived level of culpability of their partner’s? Both wives KNEW, both wives defended and stayed with men who have been accused COUNTLESS times of sexual assault.
We denigrate Woody Allen, we denigrate Bill Cosby, but somehow Bill Clinton is immune from criticism because we might have to look harshly at his wife?
“We denigrate Woody Allen, we denigrate Bill Cosby, but somehow Bill Clinton is immune from criticism because we might have to look harshly at his wife?”
Are you kidding me? Because a man like Donald Trump who’s been accused of sexually assaulting 12 women is somehow more virtuous? He has literally admitted ON TAPE that he sexually assaults women but yeah…you go with your complaints about HRC’s husband. He’s not running for president but please don’t let that stop you.
@disappointed, the difference between Bill Clinton and Bill Cosby is that Newt Gingrich’s Congress spent $40 million of our tax dollars having Ken Starr investigate and rule that the allegations of Kathleen Willey, Juanita Broaddrick, and another woman whose name I forget were unsubstantiated, that Broaddrick herself twice signed affidavits, under pains and penalties of perjury, in the Starr investigation and the Jones case, in which she completely retracted her allegations, and, after clogging up our court systems resources for years, Paula Jones lost her case twice because she couldn’t meet the basic substantive requirements of the probable cause standard to move it forward to trial. Although the power balance is disturbing, Monica Lewinsky was an eager participant in an affair. None of that applies to the Cosby case. Now, why are you so willing to ignore those facts?
EDIT Also, under oath, Broaddrick stated that Hillary’s attack was to thank her for all her help.
@original kay: So your argument is that everyone with a different opinion is a troll? Btw, having a critical opinion about Mrs.Clinton and her politics doesn’t equal being a Trump supporter.
Look honestly at YOUR candidate. The fact that anyone would believe anything that lying Trump would say is disturbing. I don’t believe most of the guff that comes out of the republican talking points. They have been trying to nail the Clinton’s to the wall for years and years and it does take its toll. It has resulted in Trump as your candidate and you should be ashamed. In fact, his supporters have threatened to kill not only Hillary but also that 13-year-old girl he is said to have raped and that is taking him to court in December.
THIS^^^ The fear mongering, trotted out every election since the dems lost control of congress (after 40 years) in the early 90s, about splitting the vote is to keep democrat voters too afraid to demand the party change. Oh the dems pay lip service to its historic values but we all know its actions tell the truth of the matter – mo’ money for the top, and downward mobility and debt for you. Hillary is a terrible candidate on her own – the destruction of Libya alone makes me afraid of her. Fortunately for her, Trump makes her look like a much safer choice than she actually is.
“Why am I supposed to be okay with the Clinton’s ties to a known child sexual abuser, Jeffrey Epstein?”
Oh you mean the guy that Trump said this about? :
“A terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”
My question is, did Trump say this BEFORE or AFTER he raped a 13-year-old girl at one of his pal Epstein’s parties?
I guess we’ll find out after the trial huh?
Ah never mind.
Enjoy voting for a misogynistic, racist, xenophobic rapist, sweetheart.
Kitten, thanks for bringing the facts to the troll party! =)
Gosh, the ignorance on display here is absolutely shocking.
I am a political scientist, economist and strategic analyst. If you don’t recognise Trump for the fascist that he is and the crisis he poses to American democracy and global stability, then I truly despair.
Why do Trump supporters always claim Hillary ‘destroyed’ Libya, when the intervention by the US was done on humanitarian grounds? Gaddafi broadcast to the world that he was about to kill tens of thousands of people. If air support hadn’t been provided to the Libyan rebels, then the result would probably have been even worse.
I love how Republicans conveniently overlook the fact that it was the invasion of Iraq which destabilised a quarter of the globe… and then Europe and the Middle East gets to deal with the millions of refugees left as result.
Oh, and those on the left making false equivalencies between Trump and Hillary should be ashamed of themselves.
Libya:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/politics/hillary-clinton-libya.html?_r=0
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/35222-exposing-the-libyan-agenda-a-closer-look-at-hillary-s-emails
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/03/13/exposing-libyan-agenda-closer-look-hillarys-emails
Well said, Kath.
“Why am I supposed to want open borders, when the US government allows its own people to starve, to be homeless, to go without healthcare?”
If you think Trump and the Republican Party are going to effectively address hunger, homelessness, and lack of healthcare, you’re dreaming. Using tax dollars to assist the less fortunate contradicts their goals of smaller government, or so they say. They’re always trying to make cuts or completely eliminate public assistance programs. 75,000 low income families in my state lost their health care, because our Republican governor refused to take a federal grant to expand Medicaid!
Paul Ryan has no intention of securing access to health care for anyone outside his own family.
Jeffrey epstein and donald trump were named in an alleged rape case. So trump knows him too. They are said to have promised young models with networking opportunities at parties. Instead, the young models were allegedly the party favors. You can google it and look it up. just fyi
“doing favours for foreign governments in return for donations to her foundation?”
That is propaganda you are spewing. That is not fact. No quid pro quo has been found. Donations were made, but not during the years she was SOS. In addition, the middle eastern countries that people are so concerned about gave $5 BILLION to humanitarian causes during the time they gave the Clinton Foundation $40 million. There is a lot of hype, but not a lot of fact.
Donations were made when she was SOS.
From poltifact:
“There were no Saudi donations while she was secretary.”
The Clinton Foundation received millions from foreign governments when she was in office. They haven’t even released a complete list of all the donations, which they were supposed to do.
Just a few things:
How exactly does it benefit Hillary when the Clinton Foundation gets a donation from anybody?!? She doesn’t profit from it. The Foundation’s overhead is about 11%. Quite good for a charity. No evidence anywhere that the Clintons siphon off funds for themselves. But they have donated millions of dollars to it. They’ve released decades of tax returns so we know what deduction they’ve taken for charitable contributions, but that’s the only benefit and they can get that much more easily without having a Foundation.
It’s a public foundation. Its books are open to inspection. They follow IRS rules. And it does good work, which hopefully will continue if Hillary is elected. They have plans to transfer the international projects and donors to other organizations to avoid even the appearance of conflict of interest. While she was Secy of State, they limited foreign donations for the same reason and she disconnected from it for the duration.
Cheney while VP refused to disconnect from those thieves at Halliburton, which profited so much by overcharging for its services during the Gulf War. And yet Clinton is pilloried for donations going to a legitimate charity that is well respected for its effective projects. When did we enter Backwards Land?
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The guy who did the videos you mention has been discredited many times. Meaning he fakes stuff. Look up the controversies about him. On the other hand, we have actually seen and heard Trump cheerfully talk about paying the legal fees for anybody who attacks a protester, his yearning for the good old days when they would leave in a stretcher, his desire to punch in the faces of people giving speeches at the Dem Convention, and his infamous call for “Second Amendment” people to prevent Hillary from appointing SCOTUS justices which was a veiled assassination threat (as the look on the faces of his own supporters on the podium confirmed). The Secret Service took it very seriously and had a few talks with his campaign people about it.
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We have no idea if Hillary even saw the alleged e-mail from Brazile about the primary debate questions. This was in Podesta’s e-mail pile. I say alleged because they were the most weirdly written subject headings I’ve ever seen, guaranteed to attract attention from anybody viewing it in a list but not in a good way. (Analogous to “Got the dynamite to blow the bank vault, see you tonight”.) Unless she writes that weirdly all the time (don’t know), it looks altered to me. As a techie myself, I am not convinced that the authentication tool cannot be bypassed. Plus Hillary needed no help on such obvious questions that she had dealt with before. So even if the messages are real, it’s quite possible Podesta never passed it along.
jwoolman – Love You!
Positive vibes. Clinton/Kaine2016.
Doesn’t the US understand how important it is to the world and that it needs a dignified leader like Clinton. Donald Trump has convinced America the world is laughing at them but it is actually him they are laughing at. We are also feeling very scared about the outcome of this and scared that he even had influence over the FBI. This is very frightening. Every single woman should stand up for Hillary, especially when he turned to all those vets and said they wouldn’t want this “woman” as their leader. I think it is time for a woman to step in and fix this crazy mess in the US. She can do it. Give her a chance America. I too am agonizing over the polls and the unfairness of the Comey letter.
We’re trying!! We’re trying so hard! We know the world is watching and we know what’s at stake. Some of our fellow countrymen and women don’t understand international politics and it’s very difficult to try to convince them that Trump isn’t going to “make america great” and that “America first” policies would actually hurt America. Most Trump supporters don’t understand globalism and/or think it’s the evil invisible hand that they can get rid of if Trump is elected. To prevent myself from falling into a pit of despair, I firmly believe that love will Trump hate. I believe my country and my people will do the right thing, even if it’s a narrow margin.
Me too, Melly.
The FBI stuff is really frightening. I do believe that Clinton is going to win. But having an element this irresponsibile and hostile to the president is scary. It looks like something a step beyond partinsionship. It could set precedent for future bad acts and political interference. I hope Comey steps down and that the FBI gets purged
Disappointed, you are not and I appreciate your views. However, it appears that Trump to many of us is unstable and a raving lunatic who responds to the slightest insult or provocations (see his tweets), is racist, sexist, a poor businesman (bankrupt casinos, hotels) who doesn’t value freedom of speech, the constitution or anyone who lives or believes differently than himself. I find it incredible that others can’t see those facts plainly or clearly.
This. A trillion times.
Has no one noticed that every day there’s a couple of new Trump supporting commenters? And the other names that have been commenting pro-Trump stuff over the past few days, who should logically be jumping in to agree wholeheartedly, are nowhere to be found? It’s all the same person/couple of people, trying to scare us by making it look like there’s more Trump support than there actually is. Stay strong, my loves. It’s going to be okay.
Yes indeed, they are coming out of the rotten woodwork! Literallyashambles hoping Light purple will open the veranda early so Colin can provide much neded beverages then grab the trollswatter for some pest control. Sigh, I need a build a bear trebuchet battle and swan shoes for some sanity (Tiddlebanging please?) The state of Georgia is crazed with nonstop ads and election coverage. People are at each others throats and I’m trying to remember this too shall pass.
Yes, I’ve noticed that one will be here a couple of days, then disappear to be replaced by another who disappears after a couple of days to be replaced…ad infinitum.
One will be here for a couple days until they get blocked because they have a different view or opinion.
@dom-I mean you guys have your forums at Fox News, Yahoo, The DM.
Why not hang with your gang over there?
And they never comment on any other threads.
There are a lot more Trump/GOP friendly pages out there. Hell, pretty much every local new facebook page would do.
Hi friends, chiming in late — busy day — to say hi and yes who the F are these trolls? I’m keeping my eye out for “Bonnie Jean” from yesterday who casually tried to stir up some sh$% by saying “it looks like there might not be an election” as the result of something in the Anthony Weiner emails. WTF?
Happened to a lesser degree with the last presidential elections as well.
This.
And yet here we have our intelligent commenters patiently indulging them and giving them the respect that I personally do not think they deserve.
And no I don’t feel even slightly sorry about that.
So DONE with the dumbing-down of this country.
Exactly Kitten! We try to civilly reply, understand and respond with facts despite accusations and they get more worked up. Ok. Try conservative sites, where a friend of mine who tried to meaningfully disagree was told to leave this country if she didn’t like it, she was unpatriotic, should be jailed, killed, etc. Those responses and views are deemed acceptable and responsible by not only Trump’s supporters but by the man himself (I just want to kick them all out, hit those people in the face, grab em by the pussy, just sneak up on them and scare them). Tell you what, I’ll take our level of crazy any day compared to the brainwashing and cognitive dissonance going on with the far right.
@kitten
” So DONE with the dumbing-down of this country. ”
I guess we do have something in common 🙂
So sick of that sh*t. And if we give it back to them they pull the “that’s not very liberal of you” card.
All that does is show that liberals are held to a higher standards of decency and conservatives are given a free pass to make baseless, incendiary, insulting remarks.
@Dom-If you genuinely felt that way you wouldn’t be here with your gang, contributing to the ignorance.
Thank you…that says it all.
where did they come from?! why are they here now?? just to stress us out at peak anxiety time? i wish they would go back to their many like minded friends on any other website and leave this refuge of sanity alone.
Just ignore them. You’re a nonrenewable resource, your stress level is important. I’ll answer often because I’m procrastinating from getting my work done, I’m a fast typist, and something I say might help someone else. But relax: “We got this.”
Russia really wants trump to win.
http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-russia-hillary-clinton-united-states-europe-516895
Yeah, that whole story is worth a deep read. Reading how the Russians were upset Trump was going after the Khans was disturbing and fascinating.
Nooooooooooooooooooo. A monkey in China, known as “King of Prophets”, has just predicted that the tiny-handed madman will be the winner.
God, it truly is terrifying & that’s from several thousand miles away.
COME ON HILLARY.
I wish Paul the Octopus could still weigh in.
Another in the flood of endorsements for Hillary. For the trolls I’m sure the KKK and National Enquirer endorsements are more important
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/10/31/the-new-yorker-endorses-hillary-clinton
I too am scared shitless that Trump will win. WhenTrump supporters, some of whom have left messages here, say Clinton is corrupt etc., I get it but compared to Trump’s level of moral and legal corruption, not to mention moral depravity, it is by far the lesser of two evils. The man is a terrible business man (4 bankrupt companies), a hypocrite on the immigration issue (his company was convicted of hiring illegal immigrants at 4 dollars an hour to build his skyscraper and paid hefty fnes) and he’s a proud tax doger whose ass is not in jail because he’got lots of money to buy his freedom. America: the best justice money can buy. What is more, the guy is seriously not prepared for the job in terms of understanding the global geo-political situation or even basic knowledge of history and geography. How anybody can take what he says seriously is beyond me. There have been presidential candidates in the past who had to stand down because they hired an illegal to clean their house. How are people willing to excuse his behaviour, let alone vote for him. So if he wins does this mean we all get to stop paying taxes and can be proud tax dodgers in a ‘great America?
Kaiser, is there room for one more to drink? I tend to limit my alcohol consumption to special occasions, but this election is making me want to bust out a bottle for sure.
Grab a seat DSW, there is always room for one more.
DSW & Melly: 🍺🍸🍷🥃🍺
Chai for me: ☕
Alcohol and primal scream therapy at Chez Jupitero, ever night until this dumpster fire is over.
Count me in Miss Jupetero, it has been emotional overload and some ptsd for many. I’m just about done.
ITA
I am out of patience, and primal screaming therapy sounds great! I appreciate those whose patience goes further than my own, as I cannot understand willful ignorance. I don’t understand evil, never will.
Just dont give a sh about this election. Mailed in my ballots first day and just dont care who wins anymore…so tired.
Comey should either quit or be forced to resign without pension or benefits. The FBI agents in the NY office who have been selectively leaking information to Rudi Giuliani should also be fired without pension or benefits.
As I said above, I suspect Internal Affairs is investigating all of this. He probably wouldn’t lose any pension unless he’s convicted of committing a felony through his position.
I hope Comey is tried and convicted of breaking the law!
Just to be clear , Comey DID NOT break any laws by announcing that the FBI had new evidence they were reviewing . The Hatch act is not a criminal law .
Two days before Comey sent the letter to Congress, Guiliani went on a news channel and said that big news was coming out very soon and they had a couple of things up their sleeves. He used to be Comey’s boss and that needs an investigation but not by the FBI.
So dirty.
Okay – this is it, here I am, actually screaming in a primal way, for Life Itself.
At least my children (four of them) are voting for Hillary.
@Wolfpup, bless you and your kids.
Hillary is clearly the more able and apt candidate. Trump is a buffoon. However, her credibility is seriously in need of questioning, as is the credibility of the entire Clinton legacy. The fact that Trump is a dolt, (and dangerous), doesn’t make her infallible or innocent.
It frustrates to see people place her so high on a pedestal simply because she’s the lesser evil. There are always shades of grey.
In its entire history has the FBI ever been truly apolitical? I ask this because last night I watched a special on Chaplin and Hoover’s efforts to discredit him. Also watched another show about the FBI and it’s history. The agency has really tried to railroad people over the last several decades. Having people like MLK followed and wiretapped, etc.
Okay folks, two sorry candidates that never should have been the candidates anyway. All I can say is measure the witch by the devil and pick. One blows air over reckless emails and the other blows Putin, what a choice.
I am so tired of false equivalence. False equivalence is the gateway drug that helped bring us to this point.
I blame the media conglomerates for all of this. They have presented a buffoon, as legitimate, for Ratings(!!!); for $$$. This is a tragic story about media, and and those who prosper from by story-telling, and false equivalences.
Even if you aren’t a Hillary fan, the choice is clear. Vote for Trump. If you want an ignorant, arrogant, bigoted, racist, misoginist that is. Your choice.
Dear Trump supporters, stop trying to make an argument for why Clinton is so bad, and that is why you are voting for Trump. Even if it was all proven and true, this is no where near as bad as putting someone in the highest world power that: is an admitted sexual assaulter, who is going on trial for child rape with 2 witnesses, undermines our constitution and threatens to break away from democratic order, is a racist making comments dangerously close to Hitler’s beliefs, has an unstable impulsive temper and will have access to the nuclear button, has NO experience with government, actually has a track record of being a poor businessman with multiple bankruptcies, and games our tax system for his own financial gain at the expense of others. These are all things that are documented and factual, so there is no brainwashing by any “liberal” media.
So, lets be honest, you are not voting for Trump because Clinton is so awful. You are voting for Trump because you are scared, misguided, and possibly a bit of a racist yourself.
THANK YOU KEEP IT REAL C/K 2016!
Experience (rather, lack thereof) is a huge consideration, as is temperament.
Google the name of his longtime executive, attorney and engineer Barbara Res, for confirmation of these concerns. She was around him for years.
But Trump says he has the best temperament- We know it’s true because he said so himself.
How is it that no one has yet compiled a list of all the superlatives he spouts:
-“No one has more respect for women than me”
– “I have the best temperament
Yeah, just like he’s “no puppet”. His self-reflection and humility are astounding.
Here’s his quote right after the towers fell on 9/11. This is the classy guy the trolls here are voting for.
“40 Wall Street actually was the second-tallest building in downtown Manhattan, and it was actually, before the World Trade Center, was the tallest — and then, when they built the World Trade Center, it became known as the second-tallest. And now it’s the tallest,” he says in the clip, as footage of the towers falling rolls on screen.
Yes, SuzanneToo, that is unbelievable. Spoken like a true psychopath. I seriously think he has many of the traits.
Just want to thank this site and all the commenters for a very thought provoking series of threads. It’s been mental caffeine! I was never going to vote for Trump, but have serious reservations about HRC. What’s not acceptable to me is not voting at all.
Since I live in NYC and this city is a near certainty for Hillary, my individual vote doesn’t matter. Therefore, I’ve decided to vote for the Green Party. It’s a small protest against the Democratic party, but a meaningful one for me.
Don’t believe the lie that your vote doesn’t count. It does. If Trump wins, you’ll have to live in it and watch your fellow citizens suffer and spend the next 50-100 years fixing the mess you are willingly creating. Take nothing for granted and think twice before ‘protesting’. When good people do nothing people like Trump win and the Trump machine are counting on you to do just that. Be prepared to live with results you create.
You should vote for the best person for the job, period.
I understand that you might think HRC is “shady” but do you actually believe that she is not equipped to run this country?
Stein is a wonderful activist but if she became president, do you honestly believe she would be effective? The Green Party has no representation in Congress or the Senate. Democrats and Republicans alike would have no obligation to work with Stein. Additionally, Stein’s idealistic policies, while well-intentioned, are not feasible. Again, I urge you to vote for capability and not nobility.
As has been discussed many times around here, change does not occur through a revolution, it starts at the state level. If you want third parties to succeed then get them on the down-ticket ballots.
Btw, my state will overwhelmingly go to HRC and I debated voting third party as a protest vote. Thankfully, my crew here convinced me otherwise with an amazing array of thoughtful comments about why I should vote HRC. Just remember that if Trump wins, you can’t say that you voted to defeat him if you vote third party.
Anyway, however you decide to vote I’m happy if you softened your stance a bit on HRC. It took me a while to come around to her but I’m now at the point where I’m pumped to vote for her next Tuesday. Good luck, friend.
Good on you, Frosty. The number one problem with both the major parties is that they’re beholden to the corporations and not the citizens. Progressives feel let down by the Dems because the Dems are not progressive enough and never will be because that’d run contrary to the interests of their corporate backers. The Greens are the real progressive choice. The more votes they get the more funding they get for future campaigns and the closer they get to that magical 15% percent of the vote mark which will allow their leader to participate in the Presidential debates. We have a long way to go to bring about the Green revolution but the first step towards it is thinking long term and thinking beyond just this election.
Did you guys watch Luke Cage? Just last night I watched the episode where Cotton Mouth is remembering his childhood and how horrible and vicious his mother was. And how it shaped him. Turned him into the monster he is now. And I felt such sadness for him (yes its a show I know!) and then I just read the article about Donald slapping Donald JR and I felt utter sadness for him too.
I am now beyond convinced this country is suffering from the deplorable parents and grandparents who raised these people. A never ending cycle of hate and anger and fear. And I hope to God this new generation of millenials and babies being born now, usher in a new way. A positive, inclusive, loving and kind way forward for humanity. Because this shit needs to stop!
Amen. Probably the most important thing a person can be is kind.
Whose is that child in Pic.1? Is it his?
Trump has 8 grandchildren – 5 boys and 3 girls. Just by process of elimination, that child is not Ivanka’s 2 boys. And of Donald Jr’s 3 boys, it’s not the 2 eldest boys. It might be the youngest of the 3.
Thanks for response, Canadian Becks.
I hope the little boy is actually a relative of his, rather than some random ‘picked from an audience’ child of some deranged Trump supporter, who has allowed his/her innocent child to be used so cynically.
No, if I remember that story, the child is not a grandchild and is being used cynically.
You’re correct.
Kaiser: you are right. The polls are driving people over the edge. I never felt so nervous about an election as I do now. 😔 My state is solid Democratic. But there are several other states that are fluctuating.
CNN’s “Road to 270” electoral map:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/04/politics/road-to-270-electoral-college-map-november-4-duplicate/index.html
What’s changed?
— Maine’s 2nd Congressional District moves from “battleground” to “lean Republican”
— New Hampshire moves from “lean Democrat” to “battleground”
— Ohio moves from “battleground” to “lean Republican”
— Utah from “battleground” to “lean Republican”
Battleground states:
Arizona (11), Florida (29), Nevada (6), Nebraska 2nd Congressional District (1), New Hampshire (4), North Carolina (15), (66 total)
🙏
I’m crapping myself. I don’t like Hillary much, but for gods sake vote for her!
Hillary. Hillary is worse than anything or one. The FBI investigate criminals. Hillary is being investigated by the FBI. The Clinton Foundation is under investigation.
SPM: Every individual / organization that FBI investigates isn’t automatically regarded as criminal.
Trump is facing racketeering charges.
Trump is going on trial for raping a child, and has bragged about molesting multiple women.
that rape case against Trump already dropped.
@simplecomment: she was receiving death threats. I wouldn’t chalk up the dropping of the case to there not being a case.
Simplecomment-you’re thinking about the press conference that was cancelled because of threats. That’s not dropping the case.
Watching CBS News and gee, big surprise, Russia is supporting trump, per Putin’s lead.
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I saw someone say that in this election, the KGB, KKK, and FBI are all supporting the same candidate.
And this is the candidate his supporters claim will “make American great again.” Bonkers. Completely, utterly bonkers. The crazification factor is high in this country, and apparently particularly high in the highest echelons of law enforcement. Explains quite a bit.
If this isn’t enough to scare anyone, the journalist interviewing the underbelly of the Republican party that have found their messiah, Trump, finally a leader they can believe in. His hate-filled rhetoric encourages this part of the base,
http://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/alt-right/
Thank you for this frightening post. Everyone should read it.
Huckabee’s words smack of eerie foreshadowing. He has to have seen Barry Goldwater’s unfortunate political ad of who was supposed to be LBJ, drunken and careening down a road in an out-of-control car. We all know how that presidential race played out. Sometimes the biggest fools (Huckabee, by a long shot) are prescient. Hey, if the Cubbies can win, anything is possible.
Make it a bottle of Makers Mark & you have yourself a deal, madam.
Trump publishes “The Art of the Deal” in which he is quoted: “I play to people’s fantasies…I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” Uuuuuhhhhh…………………….. And people STILL believe him. SPREAD THIS! #Imwithher
The ghostwriter of that book was just interviewed on MSNBC. He has been outspoken about the real DT he got to know, and it’s scary and sad…Incapable of self-reflection, major projection issues, will never concede, will blame others when defeated, etc. Fortunately, he doesn’t think DT will win.
One thing the author (now a CEO) mentioned is that the after-effect of this terrible campaign will be his inability to travel in the same social circles. And he certainly wouldn’t want to hang out with his base. Plus, the family brand is horribly damaged.
He is not that articulate nor possesses much of a vocabulary. The ghostwriter must have gotten a hernia lifting Trump up from grunting knuckledragger to some semblance of a conscious human being.
…but have his actions led to anyone dying? …rip Benghazi….btw is Comey worse than J Edgar?…just asking…
How about asking the Republican House why they not only rejected Hillary’s request for more money for security for American embassies but also cut the budget. Just asking…
Nice to know Ms Clinton is almighty, and can smite anyone she wants, anytime with her godlike powers. Fear her.
I haven’t killed anyone either. I wouldn’t make a good POTUS though. Go Hillary.
There were about 13 separate Benghazi’s during George Bush’s Administration. A total of about 60 embassy staffers died in those separate attacks. Nobody ever suggested the Secretaries of State were responsible for the deaths. Some assignments are very dangerous and the Embassy personnel know that when they sign on.
The Republicans went after Hillary only because they’ve been trying to neutralize her for decades, starting when she first worked on health care reform in the 1990s. She is very effective and persistent, and a lot of profit is involved in maintaining the status quo in the medical insurance situation. So the Republicans try to take her down any chance they get. The insurance companies want to get rid of the ACA, Hillary wants to improve it. The insurance companies want to continue to have us by the short hairs as the only game in town, Hillary is open to the idea of extending Medicare down to age 55 (which is about when the insurers go nuts with rapid increases in premiums and deductibles).
But the Republican constant investigations have all had to conclude Hillary’s actions were within normal parameters and she could not be blamed for Benghazi. There is simply nothing there to “get” her for. It’s all a waste of American taxpayers’ money
Last night i dreamt that Hillary lost the election and Oprah Winfrey died from shock. This election is obviously weighing heavily on my mind.
I have had dreams with Tom Hiddleston in them that have never come true (yet…): so hopefully yours won’t!
DP
Let’s not forget the fact that Trump is a climate denier and has said he will roll back any progress and laws we have managed to create to stop global warming and help our enviroment : https://thinkprogress.org/trump-zero-out-federal-clean-energy-56cca794790#.59401979w
Here’s the latest letter from Comey to Congress:
“Since my letter, the FBI investigative team has been working around the clock to process and review a large volume of emails from a device obtained in connection with an unrelated criminal investigation. During that process, we reviewed all of the communications that were to or from Hillary Clinton while she was Secretary of State.
Based on our review, we have not changed our conclusions that we expressed in July with respect to Secretary Clinton.
“I am very grateful to the professionals at the FBI for doing an extraordinary amount of high-quality work in a short period of time.”
In other words, sorry folks – false alarm, nothing was there, oops.
Now let’s see if this letter attracts the same front and center attention from media as the first one did.