TMZ reports that Kanye West has left UCLA Medical Center “under the care of Kim, and his personal physician, Dr. Michael Farzam … who called 911 the day Kanye was admitted.” He has returned home, the home he shares/shared with Kim Kardashian. When Kanye West was first admitted to the UCLA Medical Center’s psychiatric facility, there was an odd story which popped up and was quickly pushed aside. The story was basically that Kanye had been deteriorating during the weeks prior to his hospitalization because Kim Kardashian had taken the kids and moved back in with her mother. As I said, the story got pushed aside as Kim rushed to Kanye’s side. But now the story has returned. Us Weekly’s cover story this week is about how Kim actually asked Kanye for a break/pause in their marriage following the Paris robbery. The robbery situation and her trauma became the breaking point that sent all of the dominoes falling.
Kanye West and Kim Kardashian were struggling to keep up even before his November 21 hospitalization for extreme exhaustion. In the aftermath of the October 3 Paris robbery, during which Kardashian, 36, was tied up and held at gunpoint while thieves stole $10 million in jewelry, “it’s just been hell for them,” a source says in the new issue of Us Weekly. While the reality star struggled to feel safe again, West, 39, returned to his 63-date Saint Pablo tour. But Kardashian, normally a backstage fixture, was too anxious to tag along. “The trauma of the incident made her more hesitant to do things,” explains the source. “Of course it strained their relationship, because she hadn’t seen him.”
When he was home at their 11,000-square-foot Bel Air spread with kids North, 3, and Saint, 12 months, West’s workaholic tendencies got the best of him. “He would be up all night ranting about things,” says a source close to the 21-time Grammy winner. “They were fighting because he was impossible to live with.”
Kardashian’s Paris ordeal left West paranoid and “completely freaked out,” says an insider. The fact that it happened near the nine-year anniversary of the loss of his mother, Donda, only deepened his distress. “The mere thought of his wife being taken from him was too much — it was like his mother’s death,” says a source close to West. “Seeing Kim close to death did a major number on him. It sent him into a tailspin.”
Kardashian, meanwhile, was enduring her own nightmares and flashbacks, say sources. But when she tried to lean on her husband of two years, she was disappointed. “She felt like now she needed him to be stable and her rock instead of the other way around,” explains the Kim confidant. “Kanye’s so used to getting Kim’s constant support and coding, but it’s always about Kanye. She didn’t know if she could take it anymore, and this time she refused to support him.”
But then — as she was preparing to attend the November 21 Angel Ball in New York — she got that fateful call. West, who hadn’t slept “in about a week,” according to a source — was at the L.A.-area home of his trainer Harley Pasternak acting paranoid and psychotic. “He was having difficulty identifying what was real,” explains the source.
Despite the recent rocky patch, Kim sprang into action, setting up camp in West’s private hospital room at UCLA Medical Center. And though the incident was scary for the reality star, a source close to the couple says she thinks it will heal their relationship. “Kanye’s behavior took a huge toll on their marriage,” says the source. “But Kim feels relieved he is getting the help he needs. She thinks this is what it will take to save him — and help their marriage.”
Yeah, all of this was pretty obvious from the leaks and stories in the aftermath of Kanye’s hospitalization. Kim and Kanye’s marriage was already in trouble because she was figuring out that he wasn’t capable of being her rock, that he couldn’t support her when she was traumatized and having a rough time. It would not surprise me at all if she did take the kids and moved back in with her mom. It also wouldn’t surprise me if she is still feeling very aggravated with the whole situation, because Kanye got what he wanted, didn’t he? It’s all about Kanye. Many of you have been saying that Kim and Kris Jenner are setting up the narrative for when Kim leaves him for-real and files for divorce. I mean… sure, that could happen. I mostly think that Kim just needed (and still needs) time to work on her own stuff in the aftermath of the Paris robbery. Despite it all, I think Kim and Kanye do love each other. They just need some time and space to work out a mountain of sh-t. We’ll see how the next few days/weeks go.
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Oh please. It’s as real as wrestling. Wrestling has narratives to sell tickets and make certain players look good, & the Kardassians create narratives to sell, well everything, and to make themselves look good. In a few months Kim will leave him for the safety of their kids
This is obviously a story pushed by Kris.
They don’t keep you in the hospital for 9 days and then let you leave under someone else’s care for this narrative.
Is the Kanye selfish narrative better than Kanye has a mental illness that he was not managing?
Cuz regardless of what they are selling he has a mental illness.
Totally. Hadn’t slept in a week and at his trainer’s house working out? Up all night ranting ? Paranoid? Guy needs some lithium.
This. Lithium. Stat.
Yes they do. At some point if you are released then you are simply released. The concept that mental health care in this country has a “follow up plan” for its patients is a myth.
I’ve been saying this since everyone freaked out on the Dr. Phil story. The mental health process here is pathetic.
Kanye can absolutely get released just like “that” and be out on the streets that very same day. No one to monitor him, no one to make sure he’s taking his meds and no follow ups.
They released my mother when they told us that she would be remaining in the facility long term (years.) Two weeks later they released her and didn’t even tell us. A day later she was picked up walking naked down the street looking for her sister who lives 500 miles away.
She is currently in a dementia village while thinking she has a 2-inch man living in her closet, pulled a knife on a fireman, thinks she’s a foot model, thinks she’s pregnant (her reason for not taking her medication), thinks she has a 5-year old adopted son named Jackson who lives on her ceiling and she thinks she owns a Genghis Grill. She walks in there and tells them she’s the owner all the time.
She should absolutely be in a mental institution and has been for the majority of two years, but we have to do this stint when she’s released until she has a serious episode and then the process starts all over. It’s a nightmare and we live in constant fear she is going to harm someone or herself and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it because her rights protect her from us forcing medication on her and if the facilities release her than its up to the state to determine if she needs to go back….and that takes many many episodes and going to the ER for that to happen.
This is why I don’t care who exploits it for their own benefit. It has to be addressed and we desperately need mental health reform here. I feel for Kanye-he is not my favorite person by any means but if he suffers from extreme mental illness the way my mother does he has a hard road ahead of him no matter how much money he has. 🙁
@ specialK
That sucks! My dad started acting weird, saying he was a FBI agent, money came in and we didn’t know where it was coming from, etc etc. Police came by our house, just acted like he was being a grumpy old man. Mental hospital said he had to come in voluntarily, we didn’t know what to do. One day, mom told me he wouldn’t let her feed him, thought she was trying to poison him. I flagged down a passing police officer and she had me fill out a form and they did a Baker act and took him by ambulance to the hospital. The doctor said dad had a break from reality. We found out he had congestive heart failure and we didn’t even know it. He didn’t say he was feeling bad, he was just lethargic. I think he knew something was wrong but didn’t want to tell us. They put him on meds and put him in hospice. He passed away after a few months. I can’t imagine what you have to go through, I can’t believe the hospital let your mom out without calling you. Yes, we need improvements the mental health care system
They will get divorce next year. She is extremely superficial. She married a trophy not a mental mess. Kanye is hurting her brand so he will get “the Lamar treat” very soon.
These people are horrible.
You’re right
She will probably wait to see if he can still be useful. But my bet is that she won’t live with him but will stay with her mother. Unless he is actually in a psychiatric facility as someone else suggested, they can hire medical and other personnel to keep an eye on him in his own home.
The sad thing is he was fragile when this family commandeered his wealth, fame and connection to Anna Wintour. They will ride him hard and put him away wet. Yes an horrific analogy, but this is a family of users.
They are both extremely superficial and this for once is a thought lesson first Paris for her and now this for Kanye probably life is gifting them of the occasion to become more human and learn something. I have the feeling they might succeed, don’t really know why. I really used to feel just dirty thinking about them and now I’m giving them a chance
Looks like everyone was right about the “Lamar smear” Kanye would be getting. Shame. Does this mean that Kanye (and Lamar) didn’t have issues? No. But the entire family was cool with those issues as long as it didn’t mess with THEIR brand. When it does the smear campaign begins.
Kanye Smear campaign startsin 3…2..1… Just kidding it already did. This family sickens me to the core and anyone who is affiliated with a Kardashian bleeds the same cold blood. Christie Tiegen is as depserate as Kim shes not fooling anyone.
This is going to be how Kim was the victim and stood by his side when she files for divorce. It looks liek the press got their christmas bonus early this year from Pimp Mama Kris. That day will come when the media will spit them out in returns for even more stories being sold. The truth will surface, and when we stop buying into these lies we will force the media to start telling the truth about this vile family.
Dear Media,
you wil make so much more speaking about the truth of these Black Widows.
I agree prayfoyYe!
And what good marriage falls alart because you spend a few months apart? Please.
I think they love each other but they are both emotionally stunted people. Remember when Kim was marrying Kris Humphries and freaked out when he mentioned moving in together? Yeah. That’s not normal.
Yep, I don’t know if I believe kanye and she live together
I thought they were all living at Kris Jenner’s house.
Yeah, Bess, I thought they were living with Kris while they renovated their mansion?
Kanye has his own home in Los Angeles area.
Stop making me feel sorry for Kim!! LOL!
But I do. I know she married him, blah blah, but in the same way I feel sorry for Kate, I feel it for Kim now.
Sometimes what you think you are getting is NOT the reality, and there is no way of knowing that until you know it. Even if people tell you otherwise.
Still, I hope the kids are ok.
I felt sorry for her from the beginning of her thing with Kanye, but not because I think she’s so in love with him and has her own stuff to figure out lol. I think Kanye seems controlling and mean, but she did want him for the fame so she got herself in the situation. Don’t believe she loves him.
Meh. If she had spent 5 minutes getting to know him before she jumped into bed with him and got pregnant (or at least waited until her divorce was final), she would have realized what a total whining, entitled, narcissistic nut job he really is. But she was on the move to promote the brand and take attention off her divorce and didn’t take time to get to know the man who knocked her up. I’m not a bit sorry for her. She got what she deserved.
Um, I think they were friends for quite some time before they got together.
They knew each other for YEARS before they got together. He even made several appearances on very early seasons of KUWTK, always trying to get with Kim. Even BEFORE she was with K-Hump.
I feel very sorry for Kim, not something I ever thought i’d say. But trying to deal with a horrific experience, not having your husband to be able to lean on and having to act like a mother figure to them must be exhausting and resentful.
So she finally apparently tries to get some time away and he totally spins out of control, so she has to go back and care for him.
As much as you love someone, there is only some much you can give before you start to resent them.
Exactly, she will resent him.
Even if they get through this, I don’t see how the marriage will work. Kim will force herself to be there for Kanye always, will deny herself any moment of personal weakness until she starts hating him.
Agreed.
And as a person with bipolar disorder, I can understand if she didn’t want to be around him during the week that he couldn’t shut his mind down. (I think he’s bipolar and is having a manic psychotic break.) When I get manic like that, I truly can’t do anything other than what my mind wants me to focus on at that moment, which is usually binge watching videos or reading everything on the internet. I don’t sleep, forget to eat and drink, and don’t take care of myself during those times. Stress makes it worse, so with Kanye being upset about his mom, and upset about what happened to Kim, my guess is that he went totally off the rails. It’s good that he’s getting the help he needs.
What about the paranoia and not being able to distinguish what was real? Is that typically something associated with BPD? I guess psychotic break is different than a manic episode though, plus sleep deprivation. Sleep deprivation can do crazy things to a person.
This.
+1 Jag
@KB: yes, mania can often bring paranoia. By definition, paranoia is a break with reality – losing the ability to distinguish what is real. I once had a bipolar housemate and he was utterly convinced the rest of us were spying on him etc. We were not. That wasn’t real. That’s very common with the manic phase.
I really feel for both of them. (and I’m not a fan of either one.) Bipolar is very hard to live with, both for the bipolar person and for those around them. I wish Kris could STFU and stop stirring the pot. It’s not worth it. Grow some compassion, lady.
Yes, I’ve always thought that at least some of his actions could be explained by bipolar disorder. Usually, they just took his Twitter away for awhile when his mania struck. Whatever his issue, however, I hope he has been properly diagnosed and treated instead of allowing him to spin out of control.
@KB – I have had psychotic breaks where I thought that strangers were trying to break into my home. I would call my father and he would come check things for me while I hid under the covers in bed or in my bathroom. I was so paranoid that he’d have to knock on the window and call my name repeatedly for me to even answer. (I told him to do that because I wasn’t going to go near the door, and I wanted to be sure he was the one calling for me.) Luckily for me, all of my episodes have been fear-based and I just wanted to hide; for some people, they feel that they are God and go out in public and end up hurting others with their erratic behavior. (Usually speeding and then crashing the car after being tailed by the police.) It’s not cut and dried what happens, of course, but that’s how it has been for me.
BPD can have episodes of psychosis. I have type 2 bipolar which tends not to have psychosis or totally-out-of-control mania (but there’s still mania). But type 1 BPD can get…crazy, for lack of a better word. Also, BPD is closely related to schizoaffective disorder and other Schizophrenia Spectrum Disorders. (these disorders are now considered to be on a spectrum).
My mother has Type 1 bipolar and went her entire life unmedicated and her brain has deteriorated from 60 years of lack of treatment to where she is in and out of mental facilities (I explained in detail in a post further up). I haven’t spoken to her in 8 years because of her illness and refusal to be treated (God would help her and she never thought anything was wrong with her).
I don’t like Kim but I can understand if he’s having episodes while she is dealing with her own shock and PTSD. That has to be a lot for her and especially her children.
@Lulu Well said. While it really does seem like these stories are strategically crafted by Kris to set the sympathy tone for when she leaves him, I do feel for her. It’s incredibly difficult and soul crushing when you are made to feel like you can’t leave an unfit partner due to fear or misplaced responsibility for what they’ll do to themself. He absolutely needs help. But she has the right to protect herself and her children as well. All cameras off, all tabloid leaks aside, this looks like a very difficult situation for them personally.
I’d feel sorry for Kim BUT, Kanye has obviously been on the brink of a mental breakdown for a while now (more than on the brink actually). It’s fairly unfair to blame someone for not being there for you when they aren’t in a mental state where they can be there for anyone! The whole clan seem to have issues with dealing with mental illness; of course Kim will need her family after the Paris stuff, but if she’s having nightmares and flashes, she needs therapists, not *just* her husband to lean on. It’s unfortunate that the robbery and his meltdown happened at the same time, but that’s how life is.
I also hate the current narrative about Kanye’s state. He might have been psychotic, he might have been in a manic phase and this has led him to have strange behaviors such as not sleeping etc. But can we stop with the “he might be dangerous” stuff? People with mental illnesses are rarely violent and when they are, it’s usually against themselves. Crisis are scary (my aunt’s been through a big one this summer), but if well handled, they don’t last and people are back to their normal selves. Kanye is a douche most of the time, but the whole “dangerous crazy, must keep the kids and wife away” narrative is awful
Well, the “he might be dangerous” stuff will be going off the wall because now they are putting out the 911 tape (TMZ and RadarOnline – I didn’t listen to it) and apparently 911 was told not to let Kanye have any weapons.
Couldn’t he be a danger to his children without being violent? I think of Amanda Bynes almost setting her dog on fire – she didn’t seem to want to hurt him, but she almost did. He could be paranoid and leave his kids in the car while he checks the gas station for bugs or something. he could be telling North that her friends are evil robots or something, and scaring her.
I feel bad for Kim, the kids, and Kanye.
@arpeggi what a load of bullshit you swallowed. The media is far far up the kardashians asses they are spewing shit. Listen don’t feel bad for her, she obvious went to her fmailys events just wasnt photographed. went to 3 different kanye concerts and was photographed, but goigng to an event that honored her father… her team made sure to publicize the fact that she was “still too scared to be out”. bullshit.
Clearly Kris is feeding these stories to the gossip sites.
It’s all about St. Kim and how much she is sacrificing for him.
*puke*
Can you pass me the bucket when you’ve finished with it please? I’m feeling somewhat nauseous too.
@frisbee, rlmao! Me too! 😂😂😂
Too late for me. I’ll need the mop…
yep. they are all innocent supportive women who get disappointed by all those terrible men. that people fall for something thats not only this obvious but also a narrative thats been used by this family since they started becoming famous is crazy.
do people not noticed that every men in this family had major mental or health issues and then was dumped while portraying the kardashian women as brave and supportive and unlucky in love? who the actual victims are should be pretty obvious.
Who, but a damaged / mentally unstable person would get involved with the K family? I’m not trying to be funny.
Yep. And it’s not like she didn’t know that Kanye had issues. Hell, if WE all noticed it for years then there is no doubt that she knew how unstable he is.
Maybe she thought that she could change him or maybe she was just in love with the idea of making a family with a famous rapper. I’m not sure they really love each other because I’m not convinced that these two people know what a healthy, loving relationship is.
He legitimized her, got her the cover of Vogue. She was ridiculous after the failed marriage and was on the boat to Paris Hilton irrelevancy. He saved her brand, at the expense of everyone’s mental health it seems.
I agree – not sure why CB is not thinking that??!! C’mon!! It’s SO OBVIOUS, they LOVE to control their own narrative and this has all “poor Kim, she’s a hero” from Kris and Kim all over it!! Even the wording makes it obvious that US and People are quoting Kris. Kanye has been like this for YEARS, it’s only because it’s now public, now that we ALL know that it was not artistic genius ways making him say and do “crazy” (for lack of a better word) things, She was happy that the public thought she was worthy to married to a misunderstood musical genius, but a broken one, not a chance she wants us to think that!! Both Kris an Kim want to paint her as a long suffering wife, an angel as they file divorce papers, when in truth, they rarely spend time together, they each seem to lead very separate lives – I doubt there is a lot of heartbreak on her side for him. I doubt she even would notice him away!! The K family destroy a man’s rep when they are done squeezing them for every ounce of publicity AND fame they can get and then discard them and now their typical smear campaign has started!
Yeah, i said it before and I will say it again. This family used Kanye as a gateway into high fashion. No one was taking any of them seriously and Kanye literally shoved them down the throats of everyone he knew.
Vogue and every fashion magazine jumping on the donkeys asses now are goign to learn quite suddenly, people are just sick of reading anything glossy in general.
Dear Media,
Please start writing the truth about these people, the magazines and stories will sell at an unbelievable rate. WATCH.
Seconds that puke. ” Seeing kim close to death” hahahaha. Quite dramatic. This story is clearly from their camp.
On the one hand, I certainly agree, but on the other, I question whether it is really that simple. Kris Jenner is poison. She obviously has these kids so brainwashed, and when you start to pick apart their lives, they are all kind of screwed up in their own unique ways. I imagine from Kim’s perspective that given she was robbed in her hotel room she would want her husband to stop everything and come home and help her create a safer space for her and the children. Instead, he crumbles. But then there is Kris who is always pulling the strings behind the scenes. They may have money they are messy and it is because of Kris Jenner. She has daughters who she pushes towards the sex industry the moment they turn 18 and she starts cashing checks. Rob is a whole other case. I do think if Kim could get away from her mother, down size, things would be a lot better in her life. But as it is, she will likely divorce Kanye, tabloids for years to come, and reality shows about being a single parent. Sad.
Kris Jenner pushes her kids toward the sex industry long before 18. Check out photo shoots she sent 15 year old Kendall on. Kylie was 16 when she went off with Tyga to Europe and mom wasn’t entirely sure where she was when asked… Even when Kylie was 14, mom was acting as though she was independent but managed for purely business reasons. I hope Nori somehow escapes grandma’s plans for her. Kourtney will probably protect her daughter, hopefully she will try to fight for Nori as well.
At this point I don’t think anyone would blame Kim if she wanted to leave him. Even before that article, I figured Kim was the adult in that marriage and Kanye seemed exhausting even before his mental health issues took a turn for the worse
You are clearly buying what Kris is selling.
Yes, as in other famous cases, when women push narratives and try to come out looking good they are evil bitches, in spite of serious proof that they are facing shitty situations.
When men push positive narratives, they are wounded, delicate flowers and we all cry.
Kanye married Kim, he loved this family because it pushes narratives. He loves pushing his own narrative, of a misunderstood genius. What is the difference between Kardashian PR and any other PR?
And why are all men that enter this family treated like victims? Odom, Scott, Kanye, they all had and have choices. And the storyline that these mean women drag these poor men and destroy their lives is primitive.
Even if this is a sale, so what? They are all in HW, they speak PR for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
But it’s always the same: if women dare to establish an emergency exit just in case, if they plot to get out of a situation looking good, then they are horrible schemers.
And everyone has a lot of understanding for the fact that Kanye couldn’t cope with all that was happening (including myself) but very little for Kim and a possible divorce. Why? A divorce would send a message that Kim can’t cope either. Why is everyone getting ready for a massive eye roll and judgement of Kim if she falls apart and leaves?
@als Or they intentionally pick vulnerable men. Easier to manipulate and discard when they are damaged from the get go. Some men do that too. You’ll hear them talk about seeking out girls with daddy issues or whatever.
@ als
All the stories they publish about themselves make themselves look like Angels. Kim was so supportive, etc, etc. When has kim ever cared about anyone but herself? She was madly in love with kanye for years, sure. That’s why she didn’t marry him until after her 72 day marriage and the backlash. It wasn’t about repairing her image, she loved him. Uh, huh, sure Jan. These people are so full of crap and fake. They put all their men’s business out there while making themselves look good. Lamar had drug issues, there are rumors khloe enjoyed some drugs herself. These women know what they are getting into with these men but then they always put out positive spin about themselves. And then act like the victim when things go wrong. It should be about Kanye and his illness, but every àrticle is about how Kim stood by her man. Puleez.
So you are saying that these men cannot afford their own PR right? These men are up against the darkest forces of nature that forbid them to speak up, give interviews, push their own stories.
Kanye West is a perfect victim, right? The guy that is a brand by himself is being victimised by these monsters.
Amber Heard, a C-lister, had the ability to speak against a mega star like Johnny Depp, but these men, including the mega mega star Kanye West, don’t dare to speak against a reality TV family.
And they pick their men vulnerable? Maybe, but guess what? DiCaprio picks them vulnerable/ young too and I don’t see him getting as much shit as the Kardashians. No one calls him evil.
Not to mention that Scott got a life out of the Kardashians. How would that guy earn a living without them?
If the argument is that these women know what they get involve with when picking their men, why can’t we say the same for the men? Why so much compassion for the men? You think they join the Kardashian family with hopes of finding pure love and tenderness and the monsters destroy their hopes?
@als
I see what you are saying. I don’t really feel sorry for the men, though, tbh. Kim’s PR is good, no doubt. Both knew what they were getting into when they got married. But I guess you’re right, that’s the purpose of PR, to make yourselves look better.
West’s workaholic tendencies got the best of him. “He would be up all night ranting about things”
He may have been up all night ranting about things but that usually has nothing whatsoever to do with being a workaholic.
The guy is mentally ill. He needs treatment for mental illness. This is not about being a workaholic or being tired. Cutting back on work or sleeping more is not going to cure this. He is mentally ill. He needs treatment for mental illness and he should be allowed privacy to get it. Sugar coating it never makes it better and broadcasting every step of it in public doesn’t either.
The Saint Kim stuff is nauseating.
Well, I think it can be a vicious cycle. Mental health issues can cause sleep issues, and sleep issues can seriously aggravate mental health issues. At his level of success, I’m sure he is a workaholic, but being in a manic cycle (assuming that is what happened) just exacerbates it all. But mental health issues are still so stigmatized I think they are definitely trying to imply it is solely due to sleep deprivation.
Yes, it can be a vicious cycle but they have been glossing over the real problem while playing up the Saint Kim rubbish.
Exhaustion is Hollywoods go to word for celebrities seeking treatment for drug addiction, eating disorders, mental illness, etc.
Remember when ( At the beginning of the year)Page Six wrote they had big issues in their marriage because his crazy behavior
Don’t forget Kanye has huge money issue ($27 millions of debt) in more
her game is too obvious now, I predict divorce by the end of next year.
Yep
I think it will be sooner and I don’t blame her one bit.
I believe this only because its been clear to anyone paying attention over the last several years that Kanye is mentally ill. Now that Kim has children and has gone through something so traumatizing, I suspect the attraction to being with the “tortured artist” and “creative genius” has worn off. What was once unique and maybe fun/interesting about him, something that he and everyone else attributes to his creativity, is no longer so harmless. She and her kids need better.
Kim is as deep as a puddle. She was attracted to his $$, fame and access to higher profile people.
This this this. As a child of a mentally ill parent, shame on her for dragging kids into this.
I’ll get dragged by I thought this, too. His illness was so obvious and she had kids anyway. My ex had clear issues, and I loved him and could handle it. But I knew I wanted kids and I knew I could never have kids with him and would be too afraid for him to be around small children, so I broke my own heart and left.
I don’t think she was ever that into Kanye. He was never her first choice. She could have married him years ago but she chose other men over him. I think she settled and thought he could provide her and her family with access to things they couldn’t otherwise get. They got what they needed and this guy lost in the end big time.
This marriage is done like dinner. Kanye has mental issues and yes it would be difficult for any marriage. But the constant leaks about his condition(coming from a family member. Cough “Kris” Cough) and the latest leak about how Kim is worried about having the children near Kanye is too much. How is Kanye supposed to heal knowing that his wife and now the public feel he may be a danger to his own children? If Kim had those thoughts she should have kept it to herself or only shared her concerns with medical staff. If she had shared this info with a family member , who then went to the tabloids. Kim should have put a stop to that nonsense right away. She will file after Christmas holidays. Got to have the reports of “Kim alone and worried about her future” in TMZ to start 2017 off to a roaring start!
Not to mention she’ll get full custody of the kids. I think in the pre-nup she comes out winning too.
The Kardashians leak info they want people to believe. They are leaking things for a reason…no one knows what’s true or not because Kanye and his family aren’t saying a word. If Kim really wanted to stay with Kanye she would make sure nothing was “leaked”. All of this favors her.
It was so obvious that Kanye had mental problems and Kim never tried to help him.
This^^^^
She didn’t give a crap about him. All about the fame and access to her.
She encouraged some of the inappropriate behavior and exploited it for her own self-promotion.
I wondered why nobody was talking about why the 5150 was called in while she was mid-air. I don’t believe that was his first psychotic break. And if you think a celebrity doctor would call somthing like that in without consulting his team first, you are crazy. I think the people on his team saw her being on that flight as their chance to get him help and gave the doc the ok. Perhaps they even initiated the idea with the doctor. Theres no way Kim would have ascented to a psychiatric hold knowing that the stigma could ruin the power couple brand she married him for.
I think you may have just nailed it. Kim is all about image.
I didn’t know that Kanye had a team that was separate from the Kardashian/Jenner team. If your theory is correct, Kanye should be really grateful for these people.
I think you’ve got it. And he went after somebody at the trainer’s. That’s what started this. The behavior at the trainer’s, which was in the initial real news reports, has been buried in all the “Kim’s a saint; he’s exhausted” narrative.
Yup, right on schedule. Kanye is menatlly ill and will eventually recover but we all know that Kim is not going to be there when he’s better.
Kanyes mental health issues were clear to his fans years ago. People who used to be in his close circle and have left in recent years are on record saying that he needs medical help. Kim knew she was marrying someone with these challenges!
Lets pretend that she didnt know it was a clinical problem, she still knew he was extremely super sensitive. I knew that from hearing Amber Rose speak about their time together, how can Kim who has circled him for years not have known?! She knew. And expecting somebody who is that fragile to “man up” because you went through something is cruel. He cant help who he is anymore than she can help what happened to her! She has no business painting him out to be some kind of failed man for crushing. I wish she would take her deflating butt and stop flapping this nonsense in the media.
Me too.
Exactly!! None of this is new unfortunately. Its telling when his original friends/people like jay z and b are no longer (publicly) around. Like when he went on those twitter rants the Kardashian clan was gassing him up when he clearly needed help, none of that was funny or normal….
Also the fact that they are leaking all of this stuff speaks volumes…everyone said Kanye would get the Kardashian-man-disposal treatment sooner or later…hopefully he gets the help he needs, takes a year or two off, and writes an amazing album
Man, that’s a really good point. The Wife on Vigil narrative is either exploiting Kanye as a poor husband (and why do that if you’re not positioning him as a counter to the ever-devoted wife?) or exploiting his mental health issues. Neither seems the work of someone who truly loves him.
Poor kim, it must have been so hard to hold his hand and take a selfie at the same time.
I lol’d but it’s actually pretty sad and pathetic.
I laughed too 😳
Snowflake, hilarious! But also dreadfully true.
I suspect Kim has been okay with Kanye’s crazy, cause let’s face it, her whole family is nuts.
I also suspect Kim may have had a realization, after the robbery, about how her life needs to change. Kanye probably didn’t agree with that desire to change her life. Or, she realized she can’t change with him around. So now, it’s on to splitsville.
As much as I don’t think she needs to blame herself for needing her husband to be strong for her in the face of what she dealt with, his problems have been obvious for a while and it suited the family to exploit them up until now, just like they’ve done with everything else. I’m sure even now PMK is trying to put together the best, most lucrative interview for Kim when the moment seems right, and this will just be more scandal fodder.
I feel as if Kanye wouldn’t have been the first person Kim would have run to anyways. She’s much closer to her mom and sisters I believe. She had plenty of people to lean on if needed. It’s not like she was left all alone because Kanye wasn’t being her rock. This is all just leaked stories to make Kim seem justified in filing for divorce though I believe she’s been planning to divorce him way before her robbery.
I feel bad for both of them, honestly. But there are spins for the narrative coming from both sides – not just Kris. Both of them are going through tough times. Both of them are emotionally stunted people. Both of them have surrounded themselves with enablers that have made them feel untouchable – it’s a steep drop when you suddenly realize you’re not.
On the other side, both are incredibly narcissistic people – neither is better than the other when it comes to that. I’m also not going to treat him with kid gloves just because it was the anniversary of his mothers death. That is one narrative I’ve found incredibly annoying because guess what – people deal with loss and grief every single day everywhere in the world. It’s being used as an excuse for Kanye. Kanye has always had a giant ego, no filter, and a toddler like ability to have tantrums. These things have gotten worse – I do believe because of mental health issues. But acting like it’s all BECAUSE of his mothers’ passing, or because of the anniversary of it is ridiculous. Sure, those things are difficult to deal with no matter what kind of mental health you have – but it’s the same sort of excuse that we heard during the early part of the JD situation. HOW DARE THE WOMAN DO X – THIS MAN’S MOTHER DIED. It’s a sad time – it’s understandable that people are touchy, or sad during times like that. But losing ones mother does not turn someone into a completely different person. These issues have always been there. They might be amplified because of these things, but it’s not like Kanye went from a restrained, private, diplomatic guy to ranting and being offensive, and obsessive overnight.
I too have always found the “but he’s upset over his mother’s passing” narrative annoying and disturbing. He isn’t mentally ill because his mother died. He is mentally ill because he is mentally ill and his mother’s death does not excuse any of his inappropriate behavior over the years or now. My father died. I miss him terribly. But when the anniversary of his death comes around again next spring, I won’t be ranting or tussling with anyone. This whole narrative practically blames his mother for his behaviors. Is it all her fault because she died?
So sorry for your loss lightpurple
It’s always the fault of the woman when it comes to Kanye. Well Kim did this, Amber did that, his mother died. It’s really old.
And I’m sorry for your loss lightpurple. My grandad passed in 2012 – and I still have days where I just feel so crushed – I can’t imagine how much worse it is to lose a parent.
Also sorry for your loss, my dad died when I was 22 and mom passed away 3 years ago. If Kanye was having such a tough time with the death he should have been getting help with it. My daughter is still in counseling, partially due to her fiance od’ing 3 years ago (there were other problems with the relationship also).
I am glad you said because its been bothering me too. If you know you can not emotionally and mentally handle the month your mother died every year, why did he schedule tour dates during that time? Why not have a brief 2 week break or so during the anniversary so that he can handle his grief, guilt, etc. in private. This is the 3rd year in a row or something where hes does something outrageous (and by outrageous I mean the Trump rant/cancellation) during the month of November. Clearly he cant handle November
I agree with you to a certain extent but encourage you to flip the thinking just a bit. I lost someone earlier this year, and yes, most people experience the death of a loved one at some point in their lives. But I think the reason why Kanye’s mother’s death gets drawn into his PR or whatever is because he clearly hasn’t dealt with it in any remotely healthy way. In fact, it’s become obvious that he doesn’t ever deal with emotional trauma in a healthy way…because he’s mentally unwell. And instead of his people (or him) being open about the fact that he’s sick and has been sick for a while, they’ve used the deceased parent blanket under which to shove all his issues.
I think the Donda narrative is actually a good example of how we won’t let ourselves talk about mental health in general and how we couch men’s emotional trauma in the loss or failings of the women in their lives. I’m not saying it’s a pass for Kanye, and he’s of course still responsible for all his sh*t behavior. True, some people out there may say, “Ah, well his mom died, so I guess he’s gonna be a lost, angry d*ck now. It’s fine I guess.” But I think the narrative actually hurt him more than helping because it obscured the real problem, put a taboo on honesty, enabled the avoidance of medical support, and coddled a sick person with accolades for his wild and dangerous genius.
And now when the honesty about his mental health struggles is leaking out, his own family is playing media games too. If we accept that he’s truly unwell, then I don’t really believe any amount of public sympathy for his mother’s death or public disinterest in his misogynistic comments can actually help him get better. So it’s a wash, and once again our culture avoids a genuine conversation around what it means to struggle with mental health.
Interesting. My sister has narscissitic personality disorder. The thing with them is if anybody close to them needs or asks for help they are actually replused by them. They get furious they have been asked for something. Its so weird. I see kim as this. remember her attitude when Rob needed real help and she just brushed his clinical depression off as being spolit. She was repulsed and angry somebody inferior had the audacity to ask her for some compassion.. And Kim was angry Rob might actually get her family’s attention rather than her and was so eager to shut him down. and turn them all away from him. Wonder if Kayne will get this NPD attitude disguised as “tough love”.
Being 100% honest: Their narrative does make sense, in the sense that Kim was, logically, very shaken by the robbery and Kanye, being the narcissistic douchebag he’s always been, wasn’t there to support her. I’d be very surprised to learn things actually didn’t go like that.
That being said, we know how this family operates, and where these stories are coming from. And the part about this whole narrative that doesn’t make much sense to me is the one where Kim is unconditionally supportive and giving.
Thank you for saying what I’ve been thinking for a while. This bit about his ongoing Grief at the loss of his mom damn near a decade ago annoys me too. Losing parents is difficult, and being particularly close does exponentially increase the pain. But we all go through it in the cycle of life. He’s not some special snowflake in experiencing a one of a kind loss, And to chalk up a whole anniversary month ? Yikes.
I just can’t with all the feels…….makes me feel nauseated at the narcissism.
Wow I apologize to those I thought were being hard on Kim. When the going gets tough, the Kardashians go running for the door. Just last October, Kimmie exposed Taylor’s tape to protect her husband, lol, she knows a few things about leaked tapes. Weak.
Please if anyone cared about anything we wouldn’t know a single damn detail regarding this at all. Stop talking to the press ya jerks.
According to the story this behavior has been going on for a while and according to a close “source” had not slept for a week. So someone knew he was not sleeping, ranting and yet did nothing about it. And yesterday, Kim as so worried about Kanye being around the children that he was released yesterday and went home, not to Kris’s house, but to their own home where he would be around the children. Please, sounds like a lead up to a parting of the ways.
Conflicting narratives….are the kardashians struggling with keeping up with the kardashian narrative?
I wonder if KAMP K are starting to distance themselves because Kanye had a hand in the robbery? Maybe they have managed Kanyes problems until now but now they’re at risk?
I have some experience re:mental health issues, on both sides of the fence. You don’t get better in 9 days from the symptoms Kenye was having. It takes time for the therapeutic meds to kick in, it takes time for counselling to be heard and accepted. I think Kenye is locked in a pricey psych hospital somewhere, a facility that is just a psych place not a regular hospital. It takes time and lots of therapy to get back on an even keel. Nine days is way too short.As for the 5010 issue. It could be something like what happened to me. I was given a choice, either I agree to be hospitalized or they would Blue Paper me. That means involuntarily admitted. In Maine at least, you are admitted for three days and they monitor you. They can decide you still need psych care whether you chose to or not.
You need therapy 24/7 for what was described about his illness and behaviors, for quite a while, months not days. And those symptoms mean a locked unit, not a home environment.
First time I feel bad for Kim. Cut him loose, and next time she falls in love, just live with the guy.
I think they had marriage issues way before her robbery. She is just going to use the robbery as the “breaking point” (of course it was traumatic for her) so that she doesn’t look like the “bad guy” ending her third marriage. We all knew Kanye would “lose it” if he and Kim ever broke up. Also, when did they actually live as a married couple in their own home? I think Kim is just not meant for marriage. She just likes the wedding part.
Right on schedule! Even before she was pregnant with #2 my sense was that she would have one more child and by the time her child was a toddler she’d be working on the split up narrative. The plot lines are so predictable.
Wow, a lot of you called this on earlier threads. But I’m in a mellow mood today so I’ll say, regardless of the outcome to Kim and Kanye’s marriage, I hope he gets the help he needs to finally address his mental illness. And I hope Kim heals from her trauma too.
Alas, there’s no cure for narcissism.
To me the most interesting aspect missing from all of these articles is the total absence of substance abuse speculation. The Swifty VMA thing happened after he spent most of the night drinking whiskey straight from the bottle, I think he may have even walked with the bottle on the red carpet. Performing nightly and in that whole industry environment there has got to be some uppers going around. I don’t know, I think people are so focused on what they are saying or hating them that the glaringly obvious is being overlooked. He is clearly ill, no question. His symptoms hit every marker for Manic Depression. But the Kardashians are masters of misdirection – Kim going blonde to distract from obvious new procedures, Kylie’s plastic surgery becoming such a story line while she was underage and dating child predator Tyga. There was definitely overlap between BC and Kylie. So yeah, That’s my theory!
There is literally no evidence to back that theory up, though. Him drinking during the VMAs nearly ten years ago is not evidence that he’s currently an addict. And the K clan has certainly never had problems calling out Lamar or Scott for their drug use/abuse, so not sure why you think they’re hiding anything here.
Uhm…Lamar’s addiction issues were kept under wraps until it became apparent to everyone what was happening before they said a word. Scott’s issues have been a story line from the get go but it’s odd that no one focuses on the fact that both of them are in recovery and have healthy relationships with their families. I’ve been listening to Kanye since he dropped his first track, addiction/substance abuse/drug use is a commonality in a lot of his music. I encourage you to listen to it before you erroneously claim there’s no evidence of this. It’s also important that you note there’s no “currently” or “formerly” when it comes to addiction.
Say what you will about Kim, but it takes a lot to stay with someone like Kanye. MANY people with mental illnesses are incredibly charming and capable – at times. That is the part people fall in love with and stay for. And you can’t just make them seek help. Unless they believe they have a problem, they do not have to seek out help. Until they are a danger to themselves or others, they cannot be forced into care. I work in emergency medicine, the first stop for patients on 5150 holds. A nine day inpatient psych stay is not insignificant, so this incident seems to be taken seriously.
Call me gullible, but I don’t think Kim would have children with a man she doesn’t genuinely love. Does she exploit that love? Probably. For now Kim is by his side, which I find commendable. I hope that Kanye continues to get the psychiatric care he needs.
Kim has never been really interested in children. She’s interested in them only as props. She did that with Kourtney’s oldest, Mason. And Kourtney even complained about her just using him for photos. Nori acted completely unbonded to her for almost two years, with that “who the heck are you?” look on her face whenever Kim was trying to get her to react for the cameras. Notice that Kim was always looking directly or sidewise at the camera, not her kid…. Nori is older now and able to remember people who float in and out of her life, but Kim is not the one raising her- she fortunately has other adults in her life (family and paid) who are doing that. Likewise Kanye has limited involvement with the kids, although Nori has always acted more comfortable with him than with Kim and even with all his issues, Kanye is capable of more normal emotions and kids pick up on that.
So although Kim and Kanye were friends for years, the marriage and children were really all about what Kanye could do for Kim – get her places she wanted to go, which is why she dumped husband #2 after 72 days to catch Kanye while he was single.
Kanye wanted a son, Nori wasn’t one, so Kim pretended to have fertility issues to be able to select the gender for #2 because she hated being pregnant and wasn’t going to risk another girl and the pressure to get pregnant again until she produced a boy for Kanye. She plays the hands-on mother routine because at some point she realized what a gold mine she had in Nori, who now could also bring Kim more attention. But Kim is a pathological liar and her mothering stories just don’t hold up to scrutiny. She just picks up other people’s stories and uses them as her own, just as she did while pregnant and claiming every pregnancy complication under the sun.
So while Kim might have liked Kanye in some way, I doubt that she is truly in love with him. But she probably has limited capacity for love in general due to her own issues traceable back to Demon Mother, who damaged all the Kardashian children. Kanye seems more possessive than anything else, I imagine there might be some love mixed in there (they were apparently friends with benefits for years) but basically it’s strong attachment for other reasons. His illness gets in the way of a normal relationship.
Kim very definitely would have kids with a man she didn’t love if it benefitted her. Two kids = two big child support packages. She doesn’t have to take care of the kids day to day, so it’s not the time and energy commitment that it would be for most other women.
I believe Kanye has always had severe mental issues. I believe NOTHING about Kim.
Kim would never leave. It’s all about status with this family – Kanye is a major star, he’s too wealthy and famous for her to give up.
A bit off-topic, but it bugs me when she looks like she’s going to a white tie ball, and he’s got on boots, cargo pants, and a sweatshirt.
Ikr?! It irks me when I see women all dressed up and their man looks like a slob. Women put in so much effort to look good, would it kill a guy to put on a nice outfit?
Really curious why no one seems to suspect Kanye’s “workaholic” tendencies and not sleeping for a week could very well be the result of a massive drug habit? Up all night raving, paranoid, unable to distinguish what is real, perhaps threatening to harm himself or others? Sounds like a classic coke-head bender and possible OD to me. I totally agree he’s unstable and a massive megalomaniac who desperately needs help but nonetheless, it’s almost impossible to stay awake for a solid week unless there’s a sh*tload of stimulants involved.
Like I said to another poster above, this is NOT being speculated about because there’s zero evidence of drug use. All the things you mentioned as part of a “classic coke bender” are also mental symptoms that people who have these illnesses suffer from. And it is NOT “almost impossible to stay awake for a week without stimulants”-ask anyone who is in the throes of a bipolar manic phase.
This is why people feel uncomfortable discussing mental health issues in a public forum-there’s always someone not understanding that, yes, mental illness is a REAL thing, and making blanket statements that aren’t based in fact or science.
You would be surprised how long a person can go without sleep when really busy on a project, although I don’t recommend the experiment. People with regular nine to five jobs may be less susceptible to this.
I have never used any recreational drugs, not even alcohol. I never tried for a week without sleep… But my personal record was 3.5 days awake while working on a difficult translation job on a tight deadline. (I had pointed out the need for more time when negotiating the job and the agency claimed they would get an extension but didn’t. Lesson learned.) During the last six hours awake, my eyes decided to stop working together so I had to improvise a patch while promising Righty and Lefty that I would go to bed soon. (I don’t wear glasses, but Righty is slightly farsighted and Lefty is somewhat nearsighted, the doctor recommended that I just let them work together in their different ranges since I can’t walk in glasses anyway….)
I do tend to go past 24 hours awake when busy, especially if I drink something highly caffeinated. Really threw a young cat – she came through the car door meowing and then uncharacteristically jumped into my lap and fell asleep. I thought she was sick until I realized how long it had been since I had slept. She was used to me wandering around the neighborhood (pre-cat fence) looking for her a little after dawn so I could go to bed. She got worried about noon… She was one of those cats who get their human contact time when asleep on the bed with their pet human and avoid laps.
When I was in grad school, I experimented with installment sleeping but started waking up to a hallucination of green gauze all around me. Decided installments were a bad idea.
Nowadays I don’t usually stay awake continuously simply because I’m able to fall asleep anywhere – while typing, while standing and proofreading at the computer (not safe…), and on the toilet! So my body forces me to get some cat naps periodically regardless.
Many years ago, I was working on another tight deadline (had initially accepted half the job but the agency decided to dump the whole thing on me and reassign the other translator to something else urgent) and when I had delivered and was working on the invoice, I had the most curious feeling in my stomach. It was late Thursday morning and I suddenly realized I hadn’t eaten anything since Tuesday evening. Not deliberately, just plain forgot. I had been drinking water and taking vitamin C, but that was it. I had slept briefly for a few hours at least once during that period, but somehow even that didn’t trigger the “maybe I should eat something” feeling, I was so focused on the project.
He treated her horribly from the start, living in Paris during her first pregnancy when she was clearly not having an easy time off it, making her his personal Barbie doll etc. He talks about her like a piece of property.
I’d guess post-robbery is the first time she’s really needed him to get it together a little, and he failed miserably. Good for her if she cuts him loose. She doesn’t owe him anything, and frankly, despite all the ‘he legitimized her’ talk, she’s done a lot more for him. She’s the one with the profitable career, the one with the money, the one who knows how to hustle without tripping herself up constantly. She’s kept him relevant while he makes his increasingly mediocre albums and his laughable fashion.
It can make a big difference when you realize your partner acting like a jerk was a symptom of an untreated ailment, not him being a jerk. He probably does deserve a second chance, if he’s being treated for his issues now.
Whether Kim is able to do that right now, when she still needs to sort her own mental well-being, is the tricky issue.
Just so we all understand, everyone who has a mental illness is not a jerk. And every jerk does not have a mental illness.
Re: Drugs/substances vs. manic episode
It does not need to be an either/or situation. In my own family, a loved one would use substances to “self medicate” and while that might work for a little while, in the long run it only made things worse and often precipitated a full-blown “episode”.
Nine days in acute care is enough time for a medically managed chemical detoxification, to use the medical term. Follow up care on an out patient basis is the norm nowadays. There is even a thing called “outpatient rehab” where the patient goes to a center daily from 8-4:00 or so. It is like going to a job. But they go home at the end of the day and sleep at home.
I would think that Kanye was given a diagnosis and clear follow up instructions at the time of his discharge. He sounds like an extremely needy individual and I do hope that Kim stays by his side at least for now.
Whether their marriage will last longterm is kind of unknowable at this point. Looking at things in the most favorable way, this episode could lead to both of them getting counseling and support from both the medical and the psychiatric community. There are millions of people out there who suffer from serious but well-managed mental illnesses who work, parent their children, and enjoy their lives. Some have written excellent books that describe their illness and their recovery. It would behoove both Kanye and Kim to begin the journey toward learning to live with mental illness.
With the attention they command, the two of them could eventually become wonderful advocates! Who ever knew much about Parkinson’s Disease prior to Michael J. Fox getting it?
I agree that Kanye probably has some mental health problems (like delusions of grandeur). However, I do know what it is like not to sleep for a long time. When I was younger, I had two small children and I was working and going to school at the same time. I was getting very little sleep as it is and then I started developing Thyroid problems. My thyroid was swollen and kicking out too much hormone. This makes you nervous, agitated and full of energy. I literally did not sleep at all for a week.
When this happens, you actually do start to have hallucinations and get paranoid. I was having auditory hallucinations and seeing bright flashes of light. Further I was quick to anger and paranoid. I’m just sayin it is possible for something like this to happen due to lack of sleep. This did not happen to me ever again.
You bought the line hook and sinker.
Kim CREATED this conversation. The kardashians are ALWAYS the ones helping, sacrificing, ugh, ugh ugh.
Kanye walked into a hornets nest. He is a narcissistic guy, BUT obviously lost after his mom died and he was sucked into the machine.
THIS MARRIAGE WAS A BUSINESS ARRANGEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From start to finish.
But Kim is going to twist and turn the story so she is seen as the angel, Kanye the monster. He may have dug is own hole, but I cannot help but feel sorry for the guy. I suffer from major depressive disorder – I would LOSE my mind in that family.
Instability in a partner is a big red flag for a marriage. For the sake of their kids at least, I hope they actually get themselves worked out.
Kim is a selfish user, this is not new information. She knew her husband needed help for years and yet she chose to not lift a finger to help him.
How could she honestly expect to lean on Kanye after the robbery, and then turn around to blame him for being unreliable due to him having his own issues? This is her third marriage, and only his first, and yet she still doesn’t seem to know what marriage or strong partnership involves. It means being there for your spouse through thick and thin, not abandoning them the first moment the going gets rough.
She’s already planning to jump ship only because he’s hurting her brand and possibly finances. She knew long ago that Kanye had issues, yet she still chose to abandon her 2nd husband for Kanye, have two kids with him and egg him on during his inappropriate Twitter rants. If she truly loved/empathized with him, she would stop pushing this ridiculous and obvious St. Kim narrative.
I can’t understand why Kim is being applauded by some for standing by Kanye when that’s to be expected from a truly loving spouse/partner. When will she stop being infantilized?
She obviously has her own post-robbery trauma to deal with but blaming Kanye for not being there for her as a convenient way out of the marriage (even though she can lean on her own family and friends, therapists, etc.) is a total cop out.
I never usually do not comment on Kardashian’s. Maybe if Kanye is involved, I will. Regardless of whether or not she wants to divorce him, that’s HER business. But this man is genuinely ill. This is a time for total privacy. Her narrative should not be out here for the world to read. This is all in very poor taste. Shame on whoever is putting this stuff out here.