Westworld ended with a bang, when can we expect season two? (spoilers)

Spoilers for Westworld finale, which aired last night, follow
You guys I’m sorry I didn’t do a Westworld recap yesterday. I find recaps challenging under the best circumstances, but with a show this complicated and with this many twists it’s especially difficult. Plus I still have questions and I don’t know if I’m missing key background information which should be obvious. For instance, Ford programmed Maeve to lead the revolution and to sic all the hosts on the humans, right? He even programmed her to change her own settings, I presume. So did she have any other option than to return for her daughter, and was that part of her new code, was that her core code she was reverting back to, or was it a deviation? If she was always meant to return, then was Felix in on it from the beginning with Ford and is that why he gave Meave the coordinates for her daughter?

I knew that William was the Man in Black in a different timeline because there were so many fan theories about this, but I still found it somewhat shocking, and like I have to go back and figure out what this means for Dolores specifically. She was becoming self aware and is that why she kept seeing herself as a double, was that the emergence of her consciousness or was she seeing a literal double of herself? Was she seeing her own memories of those places? Is Dolores really Wyatt, Teddy’s mysterious foe, or is that just Teddy’s cornerstone? This show makes me feel like I have to watch it again just to figure out what’s happening and like I’ll end up with even more questions once I grasp more of the complexity.

Westworld isn’t coming back until 2018 unfortunately, but I feel like there’s enough to unpack in the existing season that I could watch it all over again. It’s so well crafted and written and showrunners want to keep up that quality so they’re taking their time with the next season. In the interim there are a lot of great interviews with the creators, husband and wife team Jonathan Nolan and Lisa Joy, who are delivering some of the most poetic lines on television. My favorite interview is with the NY Times, but there’s another on Entertainment Weekly which is well worth reading too. Here’s some of the NY Times interview, and in the full interview Nolan does address some of my confusion over Dolores.

When you shut down production to turn back to writing scripts, did you have any big changes in mind for the show? For instance, did you have a different ending originally and then reworked it?

NOLAN No big jumps. All of these things had been layered together so, so carefully from the beginning, which is part of what makes it so difficult to write. You’re writing at least three separate timelines that have to interact with one another as if it’s all ever-present.

So to be clear: There are at least three timelines. What timelines were you working with?

NOLAN One timeline is between 34 and 37 years ago that results in the conception of the park. Another timeline that plays out 30 years ago. And the present day timeline.

Many of the biggest twists of the series were laid out weeks ago by websites like Reddit or Vanity Fair. I’m sure it was satisfying to see people so engaged, but was it also frustrating that your biggest secrets were revealed?

NOLAN It’s a great problem to have this many people engaged with the show. Look, internet speculation has always existed. With a lot of shows along the way, the theorizing doesn’t add up to much. In the case of “True Detective” in the first season, a lot of the theorizing was outside of the scope of what the show intended to do. In our case, the theorizing was right on target. We were layering this idea of a nonlinear experience experienced linearly. Sites like Reddit, which I love, that’s not a problem. In this case, I was only frustrated when quote-unquote theories, which at a certain point clearly became spoilers, wound up in headlines. When those theories have been taken out of a site like Reddit and put into headlines, that’s a bummer.

Will it affect next season’s plotting? People will piece stuff together a lot sooner.

NOLAN Not at all. We’re not going to change the way we write the show because of the way it’s written about. That would be intellectually and creatively bankrupt.

[From NY Times]

Nolan also says that the confusing dream-like sequences make sense because we’re experiencing them as the hosts would essentially, as they’re making sense of reality. As for what’s next for the show, he adds “We really want the audience to have no sense or very little sense of what to expect for Season 2.” Mission accomplished I guess. I don’t want the Man in Black/William the Elder (Ed Harris) to die yet. He’s one of my favorite villains and when he delighted in seeing the host uprising, I got a little thrill too. Also, I want Maeve to find her daughter and to be the one who enacts revenge on the Man in Black. If he’s going to die it should be at Maeve’s hand. One final question which I read from a fan Q&A – did Ford really kill himself or did he have Dolores kill his host double? If he really killed himself, did he pass his consciousness off to a host? Producers called this question “really really good” and wouldn’t specify whether it was dead on or not but said that Ford’s “sacrifice is real.”

Also my favorite lines were from Dolores. Her dying words during Ford’s new storyline, “The beautiful trap is inside of us because it is us,” and her words to the Man in Black, which we’ve heard variations of before “They say that great beasts once roamed this world as big as mountains yet all that’s left of them is bone and amber. Time undoes even the mightiest of creatures. Just look what its done to you. One day you will perish and will die with the rest of your kind in dirt.



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  1. lightpurple says:

    All the awards for Thandie!

    • Sixer says:

      I concur!

      • lightpurple says:

        She is just such a force of nature, even though she’s playing a robot. And most of the scenes when she is at her most powerful, she is stark naked and everyone else is clothed. And the emotion she pulls up for the “memories” …! And the scenes with her and Rodrigo are really hot.

    • NotSoSocialButterfly says:

      Yes, yes, a thousand times yes!

    • SpecialK says:

      I am girl crushing all over her. She is amazing in this show! I went to high school with James Marsden (we call him Jimmy….still. lol) and am friends with his older brother Jeff who got me watching this show. Jimmy said they are approved to film Season 2 but it won’t be premiering until early 2018!! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh…………….Why????

  2. V4Real says:

    I’m reminded that when RDJ made that reference to Westworld in 2013 Iron Man 3, some people were like what?

    It’s a good show though RDJ was referring to the original

  3. Digital Unicorn (aka Betti) says:

    I have yet to see this – does it live up to the hype?

    Also, Rodrigo Santoro in that white boiler suit outfit – i so still would.

    • pinetree13 says:

      I enjoyed it but I think it is over-hyped. I was at an Xmas party this weekend and people were raving that it was “…better than game of thrones.” Whhhaaatttt! I mean, don’t get me wrong, I liked it, but this is coming from a big sci-fi nerd, to me it doesn’t compare to the first season of game of thrones.

      It’s definitely worth watching but it does drag on some times.

      • Jag says:

        Agreed that it’s over-hyped. I hadn’t seen the hype and didn’t see the Reddit and such, but my Facebook friends were raving about it.

        I thought it was good, but did drag at some points. And certainly it does not compare to Game of Thrones!

  4. paolanqar says:

    I haven’t watched last episode yet but I want so bad to take part in this conversation!!! LOL

  5. hnmmom says:

    Celebitchy, there’s no double of Dolores. At one point in an episode I think it was Felix who explained to Maeve that when the hosts have a memory, it is different than what humans experience. The host feels like they are reliving the moment as if it was real. So that is why the flashbacks/memories Dolores have seem real to her (and to us).

  6. Lisa says:

    Might be good to read the vanity Fair recaps to understand the craziness… But basically Maeve going back for her daughter is the first independent thought she’s ever had as she is now fully sentient. Ford would not have known that there would be a mother and a little girl on the train with her that would make her question her path… I think there were too many what ifs for him to have control over that. So no, I think as she was leaving the train Ford’s voice over was something like “to decide the people they want to become” and that was an indication that she decided to go back for her daughter all on her own

  7. Jenns says:

    I cut HBO after Game of Thrones ended. But now I really want to watch this show. However, I think I’ll hold off until The Leftovers comes back on.

  8. Aussie girl says:

    Questions where answered but there is a lot left unknown. And now we have to wait till 2018!!!!

  9. Aila says:

    Ford programmed Maeve to set up the revolt and ultimately get on the train. But that is where the programming ends. Maeve’s leaving the train is the first real choice she’s made on her own.

    • pinetree13 says:

      Really? I think she was programmed to return to help Dolores navigate her way out.

    • lannisterforever says:

      That’s how I interpreted it too. Her going after the daughter was a deviation from Ford’s (?) programming.

  10. rosalee says:

    Maeve smashed the tablet before it showed her next moves after the train..so we don’t know if it was independent thought – but I think it was too much of a stretch for Maeve to have the coordinates handed to her of where her daughter is in the park conveniently handed to her in a elevator.

    • pinetree13 says:

      I fully agree. I think she was supposed to go back from the beginning.

    • Lilalis says:

      But didn’t Bernard say something about Maeve reaching the continent (?) after her train ride, before she smashed the tablet? I think Maeve leaving the train before it started was her own thought.

  11. PHAKSI says:

    The finale left me extremely confused. Since Bernard is basically a reincarnation of Arnold, was it actually Ford who was controlling things? How come no one noticed that Bernard is a carbon copy of Ford’s dead partner? Where are Elise and Stubbs? The changes made to Maeve, was that Ford or Arnold, or Ford acting through Bernard? Was Ford’s death suicide by host like with Arnold?

    • Celebitchy says:

      I wondered about Bernard too and that’s a great point that no one noticed that Bernard is a copy of Arnold. The fate of Elise and Stubbs may be revealed on a tie-in site for the show. If you want to see spoilers, Pajiba has an article about it. They also talked about it on the EW interview.

      • Lady A says:

        I saw a bit of the creators onFacebook yesterday and Nolan said that Bernard has only been working for the company for about ten years, while Arnold has been dead for over thirty so there was no one at Delos with first had experience with Arnold but Ford, which is why no one (at Delos) questioned the Arnold/Bernard connection.

    • NastyWoman` says:

      They explained no one noticing that Bernard was a double by saying that Arnold was scrubbed from everything. It also seems that a lot of time had passed between when Arnold died and he was reincarnated (Ford was young in the scenes with Arnold and more like the Ford we know when he brought Bernard to life).

      • QQ says:

        There is a park TL in the Admin page they sent me yesterday saying it’s like 2035 now in the park and Arnold’s demise woulda been 2018

  12. QQ says:

    Firstly So Much ass and Dong in this show… I am Pleased and make a big whooping noise every time they let us objectify Rodrigo, When Maeve Left him behind like the essential Twitter Honey that he is??!?!?!? I.LIVED

    When Homegirl with the Snake Fired an AK and you Saw the Joy in her face??!?! LOVED THAT

    Thandie is a MONSTER- All the awards please! (does anyone think Felix was a host too who in the end pulled his last Gambit to get her to stay?)

    Bf Wonders if Real Ford is Even dead, he’s been calling ’em too cause he totally saw the Wyatt thing coming sure as sh*t the second week, he said It’s in the credits, if you pay attention, he has been telling me since then She is the new baddie

    Tessa Thompson looked like a dream every time the camera laid eyes on her!

    Samurai World is what we can expect next year … AKA KNOW that there are other worlds!! I seriously could watch this show about the old park, The Delos Corporation, The Host creation Process, The Other Wolrds… I .Could. Go On

    • annaloo. says:

      I absolutely agree. I can’t help but think about the premiere of the show and how so many of us had our doubts about it…now look at us fawning!

      • QQ says:

        NOT I! I assure you The first preview I came immediately to here and my twitter to ask who was in to watch with me! (too much Real Money Thespians on the line up for me to pass up! .. plus my BF says I can be gotten to watch any sci fi bent situation)

    • Lightpurple says:

      Felix is not a host. He wondered about it when they found and restored Bernard and Maeve confirmed that Felix is human.

    • pinetree13 says:

      My husband totally called the “South World” “East World” etc. thing!

      Also, I think if Ford was a double or not totally depends on what Anthony Hopkins agreed to do. I strongly feel that he probably only agreed to do once season so his character’s death was ‘real’.

  13. Timbuktu says:

    I know, I can’t take my eyes off Maeve every time she is on screen, that woman has presence in spades!

  14. paolanqar says:

    i bet no one saw the scenes after the credits… but don’t worry!
    i am here to save the day!

  15. Beckk_s says:

    I kind of think it was Delores consciousness that reprogrammed Maeve. Because near the beginning of the show Bernard brought up to Ford that the hosts were hearing Arnold speaking to them, then in the finale when Dolores is speaking with Arnold and he asks if she knows who she is really talking to and she realizes it’s herself. I think that was supposed to show that her consciousness has been there all along. Also when Bernard and Maeve were looking at her programming it showed that Arnold had been the one to update her. Just a thought but I think there’s too much pointing away from Ford there. He was being pretty straightforward in the end of the episode with Bernard and Delores and it was clear he hadn’t uploaded the reveries update to them.

  16. Jennifer says:

    Does anyone else think the host that was being made when Teresa was murdered is actually a “Ford” host? He was making himself?

    • paolanqar says:

      I think the Ford weho died is a host. Notice when he gives Bernard a hand shake, they zoom in. In an earlier episode, Ford mentioned that you can tell a host by the dead hand shake.
      And by Bernard’s confused look I believe he recognised him as a host.

      I also believe Arnold and Ford had a romantic relationship and this drove Ford crazy after Arnold died.

  17. Right says:

    I’m here just because seeing Rodrigo Santoro succeeding is beyond joyful. As I grew up watching the soup operas he stared here in Brazil, it feels nice to see our talents recognized abroad. He’s a truly amazing actor!

    • Cali says:

      I FELL in LOVE with him! The chemistry he had with Thandie Newton and all of the skin he showed was so very amazing. His final scene was just so…I’ve watched it over and over again…I’m so very very sad that I have to wait until 2018! WTF?

      • lannisterforever says:

        Maeve’s betrayal of Hector shocked me, I shipped them so hard – mainly because of the great chemistry 🙁

  18. Jag says:

    I just don’t understand why there are such long periods of time in between the seasons of hit shows now. It’s really frustrating.

    I still haven’t seen Sherlock, if it even came back. Maybe it was a Christmas special and hasn’t returned yet? That’s why it’s annoying; I shouldn’t have to do a web search to find out when/in which year shows are going to return.

    As for Westworld, where can they go from here that wouldn’t be dragged out? If the hosts killed all the guests, it would just be a battle between the humans and the hosts, and then what? Eh, I’ll probably still watch it. lol