I believe – strongly believe – that one of the reasons why Angelina Jolie solidified the custodial arrangement with the court is because Brad Pitt was playing out a very public pity party. As in, Angelina and her lawyers went to court to solidify the temporary custody arrangement – an arrangement in which Brad’s access to the kids is determined by a child psychiatrist – because they wanted the general public to know that Angelina wasn’t “keeping the kids from Brad,” despite the stories which Brad and his team were pushing. Gee, I wonder what Angelina will do when she reads about Brad’s latest pity party?
In the new issue of Us Weekly, a source reveals that Brad Pitt, 52, who did not see the six children he shares with estranged wife Angelina Jolie on Thanksgiving, could miss them on December 25 too.
“Brad hopes to see the kids for Christmas at some point,” says a Pitt source, “but when hasn’t been determined.”
After Pitt and the Maleficent star, 41, split in September, they became locked in a bitter battle over Maddox, 15, Pax, 13, Zahara, 11, Shiloh, 10, and 8-year-old twins Knox and Vivienne. As Us previously reported, Jolie filed for full physical custody of the children, and Pitt — desperate to see his kids as the Los Angeles County Department of Children and Family Services and the FBI looked into allegations that he hit one of his kids aboard a plane in September — agreed to visits only when a therapist gave the OK.
Since then, Pitt, who was cleared in both inquiries, has only seen the kids a handful of times. (Sources disagree on how many visits he’s had since September, with one claiming it’s no more than four.) In a November 29 email to Jolie’s attorney Laura Wasser, Pitt’s attorney Lance Spiegel complains about “scheduling and other logistical problems” that resulted in “significant periods of no contact” between Pitt and his children. (Per the couple’s custody agreement, therapists, not Jolie, determine visitation.)
As the months have dragged on, Pitt has grown “sad and frustrated,” reveals a Pitt friend. His final plea to Jolie’s team: extra 30- to 60-minute visits with all of the children and a “step-up in connection” over the holidays. The duo’s attorneys hashed out the request in hostile emails. Wasser argued that Pitt did “not seem to have any regard for what the children’s therapists feel is in their best interests.” And in a December 1 email, she warned that him pursuing unsupervised visits could lead to “costly, ugly, protracted and public court battles.” Pitt has filed for joint physical custody, but has yet to ask for a court hearing on the matter.
Again, Angelina isn’t the one determining when and how Brad sees the kids. She’s following the shrink’s advice. What the emails between Wasser and Spiegel proved was that Brad wants to go around the child psychiatrist’s recommendations while Angelina wants the kids to spend even more time seeing psychiatric professionals. I don’t mean to sound heartless – I’m sure Brad genuinely wants to spend time with the kids for Christmas. But I also think he and his lawyers are waging a two-pronged campaign: one, to make Brad look sad, pitiable, desolate and sympathetic and two, to make Angelina look like a heartless witch.
Photos courtesy of WENN, cover courtesy of Us Weekly.
Pathetic Prat!
you can say that again
I really hate that both parties are doing guerrilla warfare in the gossip blogs about custody matters. Without getting into who did what to whom, I think the Judge should have locked this crap down.
This is awful all around.
I feel so sorry for the kids. I cannot imagine how miserable it must be to have their family’s problems aired so publicly.
Yeah this whole thing is too awful. Poor babies. I’m glad Angelina did what she had to do but I wish Brad would do something proactive instead of whine all over the place about her evil craftiness and her coven or whatever.
He is a spoiled A list brat. Used to getting his own way with no regard for what is best for his kids. If he keeps playing this pitiful Pitt card he is just hurting the kids more. What happened to h e wants to keep this private. He is looking like a big jerk right now.
Exactly this. People are beginning to see right through his fake concerns.
The wording of the article is so manipulative and one-sided. They buried the part about therapists, not AJ, determining visitation.
Seriously. His behavior caused the problems for the children, and now he doesn’t care about what a professional has determined is in their best interests. Shitty parent.
OK, even if Brad caused 100% of the issues in the marriage/family, which I don’t believe he did, isn’t it natural that he’d be sad and frustrated about seeing his kids so infrequently, especially around the holidays? This seems like kind of a non-story and not really a “pity party,” and definitely not evidence that he’s a “shitty parent.” But maybe I’m missing something.
@esmom
I agree, it would be natural for him to want to see his kids more often than he is alloted. I think the tabloids often villianize Angelina, so is it possible they are coming up with these stories on their own? Seeing how famous they are and how many issues the tabloids will sell off stories about them, I hesitate to attribute the stories to either party. As for the racial allegations people are saying about Brad, that is totally uncalled for, imo. There has never been any evidence he has favored his biological kids over his adopted kids. Those are really nasty assumptions to make without anything to back it up.
I’m referring to the plane incident, and that he is pushing to see the kids who don’t want to see him yet. If some of the kids want to see him, then it is not unreasonable to increase visitation, but he should be respectful of those children who do not -and be especially thoughtful regarding their needs. That he seems not to be, in the face of the incident ( whatever it was) makes him currently a very poor parent to me. His needs should not supersede Maddox’s and Pax’s in this situation that he created.
My gut tells me there is parental alienation going on here.
Jennifer Anniston famously said he is lacking a “sensitivity chip.”
Aniston being friendly with very callous/racist/ even abusers (Richardson) people does not give her a license (IMO) for calling out Brad or anyone.
And I am not a Brad apologist.
Ask Heidi Bivens about missing sensitivity chips.
How do we know it’s in his kids’ best interest to not see their father? He does seem to really love them. If he screwed up, he has been put on notice that it should never happen again. I don’t like keeping kids from their other parent unless there is a danger, and he could make sure that there is a trusted third party there, like his parents, when he’s with the kids.
I don’t think AJ is playing fair. I think she was wise to leave, although I think since a third party reported the plane incident she had to do it or be called into question, too, but if she’s using the kids in some way, that’s not fair. Pitt may have a substance abuse issue, it seems like he made a mistake perhaps when drunk, but loving your kids enough to fight for them does give him points in my book.
Because everything you read is true, right?
He’s such an asshole, wanting to be a father to his children, passing all those drug tests, being cleared from both investigations…
What an ass for wanting to spend a holiday with his kids, the horror.
/heavily sarcasm was used in this post
//if you can dismiss everything you read about Jolie, be fair to the other half of the equation as well
Agree with you, Maria! He is being smeared, and the children are being used as pawns to hurt him. Not good at all for them. They are being brainwashed. I know whereof I speak. As a child/young teen I was brainwashed against my dad by my older sister who caused all kinds of chaos, while living with us with her two kids.
I was brainwashed while in the SAME HOUSE. Imagine how these kids are feeling.
They must be so confused.
I’m curious what Brad could have done that was so awful as to warrant such limited visitation and trauma counseling and yet still be cleared by the FBI and DCFS? FFS, he was investigated–thoroughly, by all accounts–and cleared. Of course he wants more time with their children.
Just because something doesn’t fall under the category of being criminal or literal abuse that doesn’t mean the kids weren’t traumatized and angered. I’m not saying Angelina isn’t putting down a hard line but the circumstantial evidence (especially the initial statement from his team to People) says to me that this should be in the hands of counselors. Both sides need to stop leaking but I do find the ‘poor Brad’ narrative particularly chafing. I feel bad for the kids and if he did behave as his sources stated then the best way to get back into his kids life is not going to be through his publicist.
Sadly, I can think of what Brad might have said to get such a “Mama Bear” response from Angelina Jolie. Imagine the safety/comfort/innocence of your child was threatened. Imagine that happened in front of you, and it happened by someone you thought would never cross the worst possible line imaginable to you. And let your mind wander to what this line crossed may look like. Go to deep dark places (they have a mixed, blended family with biological kids and adopted kids..) Then imagine how you would react as a Mother if that line was crossed… I think this is what we are all witnessing – Angelina’s reaction. A woman only goes on the the attack when a child she loves has been hurt – best explanation. ..
A couple years ago, I heard my 70 y/o father say to my 63 y/o Mom that 2 of his grandchildren looked “retarded” (my neice and nephew are biracial). It was just the 3 of us together, but I literally had to hold my Mom back as she lunged at my Father, hurling things at him as she cussed him so badly and put a curse on him (we are African). Do not eff with her children and Do NOT EVER eff with her little grandchildren – she will cut a b*tch. #truth
@OCE – as awful as that kind of scenario is, that’s the first and only thought I had when I saw how Angelina filed for divorce and all her subsequent actions. This is not a woman scorned by her husband. This is a mother reacting to her child(ren)’s hurt.
I have no doubt he said something particularly vicious about the adopted kids, in particular the eldest boys who took their mother’s side.
I didn’t even think about him saying something horrible about any of his adopted children. That makes me sad. I know someone who flat out believes you won’t love adopted children as much as a biological child. She actually said it in reference to Brad & Angelina, oddly enough. That kind of thinking is sad & gross to me.
I also still believe there was a physical altercation with Maddox. Brad’s lawyers own words cemented that for me. I believe he said “Brad never hit Maddox in the face,” which just showed up as an obvious sign that he did hit him (or at least put his hands on him) somewhere.
@Notso: Do you think that also included Z? He’s been acting like she was his favorite child ever since they adopted her.
‘Put a curse on him’
LOL! This is why people don’t take you seriously….how stone age…bless.
@Carmen, I think it is most likely that it was toward the boys who stepped up to protect or defend their mom, especially Maddox, who was around before Pitt.
I work in a law firm and we often have fathers desperate to get reconnected with their kids. I don’t know if people realize how often fathers are maligned when they are actually really good Dads – I believe in all honesty he did lose his temper on the plane but to lose everything you love is a bit beyond the pale. I believe it a bunch of highly paid lawyers, psychiatrists, advisors, nine nannies and some very young children – against Pitt and his lawyer. Main difference is she basically is blocking his every right as a father. When did anyone ever have a shrink decide when you can see your kids if the DCF or FBI says its all OK. It is a lot of smoke and mirrors to keep children away from a father. That is my take on it and we see this a lot. In fact, when one of the clients received two hours a week visitation with his children (2 hours!) I said to the lawyer after he left..well, that is more than Brad Pitt gets. I believe it is just sad mostly.
@Geneva, I believe the shrink decides because Pitt signed an agreement with this term.
Exactly what “deep dark, worst imaginable” scenario are you implying happened here? What an irresponsible, warrantless, borderline libelous thing to post. SMH.
Yeah I agree. As a parent it’s truly frightening to see how this is playing out. Parents should only be kept from their children in extreme situations and this does not appear to be one of them.
I don’t understand why people assume not guilty means innocent. Maybe he trashed the airplane, was in the process of hurting the kids before being stopped or a hundred of other things. We don’t know what happened. But commonsense says something did and probably over time. Why else would Brad only have supervised visitation and the kids need therapy?
I agree with you. I think DCFS closed the case because of the safeguards that were put in place, namely that agreement that was signed in October by all parties. To my knowledge, DCFS never issued a statement stating they cleared Pitt. Angelina’s statement said she was relieved it was over and advised of the signed agreement. TMZ is the one that said Pitt was cleared and we all know whose side they’ve chosen.
I tried posting it here before but my post would not go through. That October agreement had a paragraph that stated either party could file the S & O with the court to enforce any of the agreed upon stipulations at any time. I’ve always believed this agreement was the reason why DCFS closed the case and why Angelina is adamant about adhering to it.
His lawyer called it an “isolated incident” so they admit something happened. It is downright creepy for Brad to behave like the victim.
Any GOOD mother would leave after the first signs of abuse and that what Angelina did but she is being punished by the abuser and his media.
Well said YepIsaidit.
The big problem is that nobody understands that they are not fighting for custody. And yes Brad after doing something on the plane that his lawyer confirms but says it was an isolated case brought to the family DCFS and the FBI.
Because of the therapies, tests, and the little time Brad can have with the children, it only shows that if Angelina did not act fast and ask for a divorce, the children would be taken away from her as well. She did everything she could to show that she could stay with them during the investigation period … and much of that helped Brad’s investigation be closed. Most DCFS investigations end up like Brad’s. The difference is whether children are torn from their parents in this period. The investigation is open for years until … they for having money and good lawyers have succeeded
And from the outset who cares for Brad’s career and the lawyer he chose, he made sure not to treat the matter as if it were something serious just a divorce, he took no responsibility for anything.
Having a few more details now we know that what happened on the plane was something serious. Because both Angelina’s lawyer and Brad’s lawyer talk about the children being traumatized, the therapists may not be able to get the kids to open up.
The mistake was that the lawyer was threatening Angelina’s lawyer, making demands outside of what they had agreed. Angelina has already had to make many difficult decisions …. and I do not think she knows what to do or what the best solution so much that DCFS required them to sign S & O, which is pretty much a guarantee that Brad would not try to tempt Angelina. I think even for this reason these visits are only dealt with by lawyers and therapists.
Thank you for this.
Alot of people are commenting that whatever happened on the plane must have been extremely traumatic for the children and parents to need to undergo therapy. That could be so. It could also be about Pitt’s alleged addiction. However, it is just as possible that the therapy is seen to be necessary to deal with the discord in the family that is related to the breakup, particularly from the children’s point of view. The separation in itself, for the children, could have been extremely traumatic, especially given the obvious hostility going on between the parents. Finally, the therapy could have been recommended if there was any concern about parental alienation. The role of the therapy could be to deal with any or all of these issues, not just related to what happened on the plane.
Agapanthus:
You sound very sensible. How refreshing!
Goats….the only REASONABLE comment I’ve read!
Goats… This!
If she isn’t going to encourage contact, if she comes up with scheduling problems, I’d argue heartless I’d an apt description.
Regardless of issues between them, nothing was found to have happened by CPS, FBI. I’m disappointed in the decisions here. Parents have to be able to make mistakes and then work for forgiveness and reunification.
It doesn’t matter that he was “cleared.” The kids still might be having issues with him. I’ve worked as a psychiatrist in custody issues. There could never have even been any accusation or investigation and the children could still be upset about situations in their lives regarding their parents. These things are often best handled by a third party. That being said, the therapist SHOULD be encouraging a holiday visit with the children that are interested in seeing their father.
That’s exactly my point! I’ve also worked with children in tenuous situations where parents may be unsavory and inappropriate but maintaining contact, supervised and/or in a therapeutic setting, is crucial to avoid the child developing an unrealistic narrative regarding their relationship with their parent(s).
We don’t know that the therapist is discouraging visits over the holidays. This is the guy that stooped to using ‘Angie won’t let me see the kids’ knowing full well it was a lie. He might also be trying to put pressure on her through the public, hoping to do his end-run around the therapists. The therapists aren’t going to step up and say anything.
You would think that what’s best for the kids would be to see him on a regular basis so they can work on rebuilding the relationship. Like, every Saturday afternoon with dad at the park or whatever. The fact that the psychiatrist is not having that happen suggests to me that Brad’s drug or alcohol problem is a lot more serious than anyone has let on.
That is what’s best IF the kids want to do that. If it’s not what the kids want to do, then it is forced contact that can make the situation worse. I would bet the kids are directing this a lot with the therapist. And as was stated above, we have no idea what the therapist is encouraging.
@Lucinda, the kids wishes should of course be taken into consideration; and IF there are stronger issues with Pitt than has been publicly confirmed of course that should be taken in as well. However, minor children under certain age and normal circumstances don’t have the right to dictate whether their parent sees them or not.
Temp custody agreements in this case aside there are parental rights in play. A father (or mother) who’s been cleared of wrongdoing has every right to see – and parent – their children.
My concern at this point is parental alienation – a real legal issue, not just a term – will become the main issue in this case. Very messy if that happens.
Exactly!! Let him have some fun time with them so they remember the good side of him. Don’t make every visit with him about sitting in a therapists office talking about their issues. No reason he can’t do some fun activities with them if they are supervised. Send Angelina’s brother along too if they need someone from Angelina’s camp there.
or maybe based on the advice of professional counsellors the kids just shouldn’t be around him at all. it all depends – us weekly and tmz have always been anti angelina no matter what so i wd just ignore it all completely.
Blind Gossip – The Bloody Woman
whats that about
Just copy and google it, then you can read/find the short article.
Please dont. Its just the usual crap made up by some young intern who googled “Angelina 90s scandal”
Please BG is Team Pitt .
If Pitt have bad stuffs against Jolie,it would be out officially already .
Not a recycled rumor because Jolie was wild younger.
Who knows – I personally think there’s more to come because both are childish.
Anyway, who cares what they do in the privacy of their bedroom? It has nothing to do with the kids and his behavior that got him into trouble.
Blind gossip is bs and it’s almost hilarious to me how people believe the blinds they fabricate after they miss the big gossip stories and everyone eats it up. We’ve heard for eons that Angie is a junkie yadda yadda but if she is how come it’s Brad that’s getting the drug testing?
I do not believe Blind Gossip, either…however, I also believe US Weekly, or any of the other tabs. I know, a lot of people think, that, either Brad or AJ are leaking things to the tabs, but I think, at least 90% is made up!
Not everything in those tabs are directly from publicists BUT actors have publicly teams that they give a huge cut to so of course they leak. And yes I believe both sides are leaking.
I would not take anything posted on blind gossip seriously. They constantly make stuff up about celebrities and usually just follow what’s in the headlines to come up with their stories. If Brad Pitt is “devising a list of Angelina’s deviant behavior” to use against her, then he should be prepared for her to come back at him with facts about his drug and alcohol use. I call BS on this one.
Thanks guys i wasn’t even going to bother goggling because blind gossip is trash. I do wonder why people believe them though
I’d argue that since he’s being drug tested weekly, the court is receiving all of the facts about his drug and alcohol use.
I never realized that there are people that take Blind Gossip at their words, honestly. It’s celebrity-based fiction. Entertaining, yes. But fiction nonetheless. See also: CDAN
The blind makes Brad sound like a poor excuse for a husband and father.
Maybe, just maybe, while Pitt is carrying on his Pity Parade/Angelina take down (which I assume will last until Christmas,) he and his sources can explain via his stooges at US Weekly, why his two elder children refuse to meet with him, and why the shrink feels his visits must be arranged and monitored. Oh I forgot, Angelina, the witch, has placed impenetrable spells on the children, and the therapists.
exactly…poor brad its all Angie the witch’s fault…. Rolls eyes
It doesn’t seem that Brad really wants to learn from his mistakes, does he? Pushing this narrative has not gone the way that he has wanted it to but he and his team keeps going at it. Pathetic, self-absorbed and borderline delusional behavior.
It evidently has gone his way. She is overwhelming viewed as the villain and he as the victim. So he has won the court of publuc opinion. The court hearing in January is almost guaranteed to go his way because to be fair, the facts of this case (DCFS found nothing, the younger kids do want to see him, not testing positive, privacy being in the kids interest and courts prefering to giive parents equal access to kids) work very well for his legal case. Theres no chance the court wont give him a favorable ruling. You may not agree with him (which is fine and I respect) but things are clearly going his way.
All I have heard is that he wants to see the children. I have not heard anything about the children wanting to see him. In fact, if the stories are correct, the two oldest boys are refusing to see him at this time.
No, it has not. He did not get his emergency hearing that he wanted. His oldest children do not want to see him. The psychiatrist, as of now, has not recommended more time with them, so no, it is not going his way.
I cannot believe that you think the court of public opinion really matters here at all in these kids lives. The only person it really matters to is Brad, but not the people that actually matter here: the judges, the psychiatrist, and most importantly, his damn children. Just like someone else said up thread, just because both cases were closed does not mean that nothing happened and that those kids aren’t still upset about it. So upset about it that the psychiatrist is keeping the original visitation terms in place. Why you keep glossing over this is beyond me?
If the psychiatrist recommends it, great. But what if he doesn’t? We don’t know everything about this case or what the psychiatrist will recommend. More visitation seems to be heavily based on the psychiatrist’s recommendations. Brad should not be forcing the issue by making demands to Angelina to something that she cannot control. He needs to respect the system and put the kids first. His actions show that he cares more about himself than letting the kids heal.
He didnt get the hearing because the judge didn’t think it was an emergency. Thats all. If you doubt that he will come away with a favorable ruling, you will be in for a shocking 2017. As for public opinion, they are both fighting for it. This is clear and whether you care to know it or not, he has won that battle. I doubt even her biggest fans would deny that.
So back to the comment I responded to, “Pushing this narrative has not gone the way that he has wanted it to.” Eeeh, read my first paragraph. Had you instead said that he should stop for a different reason, you may have an argument. But yeah, things are undoubtedly going his way here.
Ehh, I read your comment and still stand by my response to you. If he was winning then he would have gotten the hearing and would no longer have limited visitation rights. He went after something and then did not get it. That is the definition of something not going his way. That is the whole point of the article.
If Angelina was fighting as hard as you claim, she could have leaked out exactly what happened that night but said it through the guise of an anonymous source on the plane and then continued to pound on that story to this day. Other stories would have leaked out about how he would say horrible things to the kids or Angelina, etc. She could be leaking her own stories about a mother’s heartbreak or a sentimental story about a mother trying to hold her family together. This has not happened. We did not even find out about him still being tested until Brad’s lawyer’s unforced error in the court leading up to the denied emergency hearing. She is keeping it as focused as she can on the kids by holding Bradley accountable to the initial agreement until the findings come back. She still wants joint legal custody with him. She has never asked for him to be cut out of their lives. She is just asking for him to wait until the kids and the psychiatrist feel they are ready to see him.
” Had you instead said that he should stop for a different reason, you may have an argument.”
I don’t have to structure my argument in any way to make you happy. Just because you don’t agree with my statement does not mean that my comment is not valid. It just means you don’t agree with what I wrote. I am not interested in convincing you of anything. Remember, you responded to something that I wrote. Not the other way around.
The judge didnt think having an emergency hearing to seal the files was necessary. Thats really not a victory for her and not even Wasser tried to spin it as one. The judge just didnt want to hear it vefore the scheduled date.
Also, why the hostility? I disagreed with you as respectfully as I could. Nobody is saying you must create a cogent argument but when you dont, people have just as much right to point it out. Your assertion that his strategy is failing is obviously wrong but we can agree to disagree. I’ll look for you after the judge rules to see if it fell as you predicted. I think you may need to fortify yourself.
@Ramona
I’m confused at your postings on this case.
It seems your arguments or points of debate are all based on faulty premises, namely that you think @AiobanTargaryen believes Angelina doesn’t want Brad to have joint physical custody. You infer she’ll be in for a big shock whenever the counseling is completed successfully and a judge weighs in, yada yada.
However, Aioban has told you repeatedly what she believes Angelina’s stance or position is, that she also wants Brad reunited with his children upon recommendation of the health professionals involved and the judge’s ruling. That the current arrangement was always “temporary,” as has been stated due to the circumstances (plane trauma/incident, Brad’s issues with booze, etc), and that she has no issues with joint physical custody once her family and Brad are healthy.
So…
If a judge rules the same, how is Angelina going to be the loser?
The winner is the children who get two healthy sober parents sans drunk rage issues who are responsible for their care and able to play nice with each other.
That’s a win win for all.
Angelina won’t be unhappy.
Please stop demonizing Angelina and creating fictitious scenarios that have nothing to do with her position. It’s self defeating to you and your pov.
She will never agree to seal the record. She will make him litigate with every word being made public. She knows that he doesn’t want to do that. He doesn’t want to make public the details of their relationship and the fights they had. He doesn’t want to say negative things about the mother because he know the children will one day read it. She doesn’t care. Everything he puts out, she will put something about him out as well. He doesn’t want his image tarnished. She doesn’t care. She is singly focused on getting sole custody. She will go toe to toe with him. She will win because she will do anything to win. He loses unless he can get the record sealed. I doubt he will without agreement and she won’t agree. She knows him. He will end up taking what he can get. Visit sometimes and on her terms. Unless he can get a judge to seal the proceedings overruling her objections. She will stop at absolutely nothing to get sole custody. And I’m sure Brad knows that. So, unless he is willing to put it all on the line. To say what he wants to say about her publically, she will win. She doesn’t care. Having said that, sometimes when you push someone into a corner they come out fighting. Its not over yet.
“Also, why the hostility? I disagreed with you as respectfully as I could. Nobody is saying you must create a cogent argument but when you dont, people have just as much right to point it out. Your assertion that his strategy is failing is obviously wrong but we can agree to disagree. I’ll look for you after the judge rules to see if it fell as you predicted. I think you may need to fortify yourself. ”
Just because you think you are being respectful does not mean you actually are being respectful. You honestly think you are being neutral by subtly insulting my intelligence, not one but twice. I won’t agree to disagree because my comment was never meant to convince you of anything.
You ending your comment by implying that I am so hysterical that I may need to “fortify myself” if the judge allows him more time. Yeah, you were being hostile in your first reply and then you ramped it up in your last reply. I gave back what you put out; I was just more frank about it than you.
+ 1000
yes yes yes.
The 2 Older children can decide whether they want to or not. The smaller ones do not have this option.
We all know they could tear up this agreement and hash out custody. This mess is totally unwarranted…he was cleared. If some of his kids are weary of him, then he should just see the ones who aren’t. Most teens go through a phase of hating one or both of their parents anyway and it looks like Maddox is right on track.
If Pitt has a drug or alcohol problem…..
If he was cleared, then why is the court still insisting on supervised visits? Usually when someone is cleared of abuse charges, supervised visitation now longer applies. Something in this case does not compute.
@Carmen it’s not the court or legal system insisting on continued supervised visits, it’s due to the temp legal agreement both Pitt and Jolie signed back in October that put that in place. That’s been directing the visitation schedule.
Pitt’s now been cleared for weeks, the holidays are coming up, and he wants more time. That temp agreement can be overturned either by mutual consent of both parties or by a judge, it’s not a perm agreement by any means. It fulfilled certain needs at the time, whether or not those have changed sufficiently to warrant a new agreement can be debated. But supervised visits are not court-dictated.
That would be contempt of court, would it not?
@talie
I don’t think you know any more than the rest of us, which is probably ZERO.
That said not too many responsible parents are interested in ‘hashing out,’ custody arrangements with an alcoholic who once mused that his child almost died choking on an ice cube because he was high.
Considering that little anecdote was from 4 or 5 years ago, and Brad’s possible alcoholism may be even worse present day (from the sounds of it), what parent in their right mind says, ‘Nah you don’t need treatment and rehab- keep boozing it up and watch the kids when I’m not around – they’ll be fine…safety schmafety?’
Just reading the emails the day the news came out that the DCFS investigation had closed, Angelina’s attorney and Brad’s attorney had a meeting with the accountable therapist who is probably connected to DCFS to receive the schedule of visits. Brad has signed S & O also with the creations of DCFS and with the presence of the same therapist Dr. Ian …. it is that only to be able to promote the film … he happened to sign a document as serious, restricted as this … And then thought it might not follow …. travel to other countries promoting the film … taking vacations and back wanting to choose location, time … children …..
@hopeitstrue…Really, if this stuff is true, he is equally culpable because he sat by and did nothing. Ironic, that he only feels compelled to tell all now that his drug and alcohol use is making him look bad.SMH.
If it’s true it’s still making her look bad.
An extra 30 to 60 minutes per visit is not unreasonable in my opinion. Especially, since they are still supervised visits. I cannot figure out what is going on here! I know parents, who have had much more bad behavior than what we have heard about, and the non-custodial parent has had much more time with the kids, than this. Especially, around the Holidays. I, truly feel, that there must be evidence of some really terrible, past behavior from Brad, that we don’t know about. I really hope that I am wrong.
Also the kids are each six individual people with their own individual relationship with their dad. Unless the kids prefer to go two by two, they might need more one-on-one time with him. The two older ones might benefit from a mediated session with him to hash out their difficulties, starting with Maddox. No pressure to visit, but they need to listen to each other in a safe environment.
I agree. Based on friends’ experience, this is baffling to me. Especially in California, where every effort is made to keep both parents involved.
It’s confusing to me too, especially as you said, because the visits are supervised, and so far he seems to be following all the court requirements. Unless the visits are going poorly and the kids are very upset each time, I don’t know why the time is still so limited.
Hopefully the therapist is doing a good job and acting in the best interests of the kids.
And he needs to stop the pity party stuff in the media.
If the kids want to see him, I don’t understand the problem. He seems to have issues only with the two older boys, which all three will have to sort out themselves on their own schedule. But the four younger kids don’t seem to want to avoid him.
The kids seem to be given choices, which is good. But are the adults interfering with those choices? Do they need a second opinion from different therapists? It really does seem odd by this time. I know they have scads of money and that can drive endless therapy that other parents wouldn’t be able to afford even if they wanted it. I know that by this time, as a kid I would be really tired of some therapist constantly asking me about my “feelings” and watching me….
jwoolman…Of course, everyone knows the story of Maddox and Brad on the plane. I have seen other posts saying Pax has a problem with Brad, also. Can you fill me in, on when this info came out? I’m not saying the info isn’t true, just haven’t heard why Pax is on the outs with Brad, too…
I think Angie and Brad are both playing hardball. They are both playing dirty and neither of them are putting their kids first in this you hit hard I will hit harder bitter divorce. It’s easy to say Brad is planting stories but I think they both are. It’s easy to say oh it’s the therapist that is making all of these decisions and not Angie but AJ has to agree with what the therapist is suggesting. I don’t see a problem with Brad wanting a different therapist or to bring in another therapist along with this one. Even people with medical issues gets second opinions.
Right now they both appear to be so bitter towards each other and they both just want to win. It doesn’t matter if it comes at the expense of their kids. They are using the kids as pawns in their battle. If Brad wants 30 minutes more of time added on to his supervise visits what is wrong with that? Maybe that’s why AJ looks bad to some. It wasn’t even a year ago that she was praising how good of a father Brad was to his kids, now all of a sudden he’s Jack Torrence. They are both pathetic.
If the therapist is saying meeting with him would be detrimental to their emotional well being, why on earth would a mother choose the opposite of professional recommendations?
V4Real….I agree with you! I always assumed, that if B and A split, they would be THE HOLLYWOOD COUPLE, that would put their kids above anything, including, being angry, or hostile towards each other! These two, were held up to the world, as the epitome of great parents….was it all fake? Was Brangelina, the biggest Hollywood hoax of all time. The gushing about each other…how wonderful Brad was when AJ’s Mom passed away and when she had her surgeries. How they praised each other as being such fantastic parents? Was it all smoke and mirrors? Or, was it, like most relationships, just a breakdown over time? I still believed that they would put their kids first, and that just does not seem to be the case, with either of them…
@Notsosocial. But how do we know that is what the therapist said? Therapist is not supposed to release to anyone what they talk about with their clients. And that doesn’t make sense. He does have limited visitations with supervise visits right? If that is true so he is already meeting with them, so how can meeting with them be detrimental to their well being if he’s already meeting with them. He is just asking for longer visitations.
“why on earth would a mother choose the opposite of professional recommendations? ”
I don’t know; maybe because that mother is going through a bitter divorce and custody battle with her soon to be ex husband therefore she will agree with whatever the therapist says because it is in her favor.
@notsosocialbutterfly – +1000
@MrsBPitt – Again, your premise about how you always believed they would act (if they would split) doesn’t take into account Brad’s alleged alcohol and substance abuse problems that seem to have grown into a full blown addiction he can’t control.
Your premise just assumes a normal relationship breakdown has occurred where one or both parties want to move on and call it quits and they are going at it war of the roses style.
We know that’s not what happened.
I believe Angelina has put her kids first, which is why they’re getting counseling and so is Btad.
One day maybe Brad will thank her for saving his life and his relationship with his kids by helping get him clean.
If that day ever comes, i have no doubt people (women) will continue attacking her regardless.
almondmilk, how are you so sure Brad has a “full blown addiction he can’t control?” You keep referring to this as if it’s a fact when I haven’t heard anything to confirm that. In fact, I’ve read that he has passed all his drug and alcohol tests. Why keep spreading that narrative when there’s no evidence to back it up?
In response to the last two paragraphs of almond milk-
One day maybe Brad will be exonerated by the DCFS and FBI, pass all his drug tests and participate in multiple family therapies.
If that day ever comes, I have no doubt people (almondmilk and others) will continue attacking him regardless.
Your hypocrisy is showing.
In my no professional but parental opinion, i say them see their father and use some of those millions to sit down together and figure this out. The rifts were created together let them talk it out so Brad can hear first hand what he needs to do to fix whatever he possibly broke. I would think that the more the kids are near just mom working out things they are going to wonder why no dad time or start to shun him all together. Somethings can be over done, even protection!
Something is really off here. Why can’t he see his kids at Christmas? That’s horrible. I do feel very badly for him. Of course I don’t know much about it- he could be truly abusive and the need to protect the kids could be great. But as a parent, I feel badly for him and it does seem to me that Angelina should want the children to have a relationship with their father. My heart would be broken if I was cut out of my children’s lives like this.
As a parent I am weary of child psychiatrists. Because the longer the “therapy” takes the more pay they get.
I had therapy and I found it to be an awful experience. I was misdiagnosed and I should sue the B***h. When those insurance-paid therapy hours were nearly over the psychological c**t had the nerve to suggest I should apply for more hours.
Actually I could have her license revoked if I went to court because it was so obvious. But that wouldn’t be good for my health.
The child psychiatrist for the Jolie-Pitt kids wasn’t ordered by the Child Protection Services nor by the law courts. But Angelina insisted on them. And the longer Pitt is not allowed to see his kids the bigger the psychological issues seem to be in the public eye and media. So time works against the father.
I do find it scary how quickly a parent can lose his children without having done anything that the authorities find suspicious???? No bruises on the kids. No violence. No positive drug tests from Brad Pitt. No evidence for Pitt’s misdemeanor except Angie’s statement? And Pitt’s misdemeanor apparently was just some kind of shouting?
With such “evidence” as above you could remove any parent’s kid from the parent. I find it worrying.
I agree with you… Everything is so weird about this… I hope this is not the beginning of parental alienation on Jolie’s part…
As a parent too I agree with you completely.
I absolutely believe this is the beginning of parental alienation by Jolie. I predict that by this time next year, the kids’ surname will be simply Jolie, and Pitt’s place in their lives will be reduced to writing support checks and begging for quarterly visits monitored by therapists who are firmly in Jolie’s pocket.
@ Bitchy “No evidence for Pitt’s misdemeanor except Angie’s statement?”
How about their children statements? Do they have no value? I’m kindly reminding you, that they were also present on the plane and witnessed Brad’s behaviour (one of them obviously too closely ;/). Some members of their staff were probably there too. They were all interviewed during the DCFS / FBI investigation and had their stories to tell. Based on that DCFS gave their recommendations to follow after the case got closed. And this lead to Brad’s limited access to the children and the alcohol and drug’s testing, not ‘Angie’s statements’.
And just one more detail, but there are actually 5 psychiatrist involved not one ( 4 for children, one for Brad) and nowhere was it said that they were chosen by Angie. Maybe both parents decided on that matter.
It seems Angelina and Brad have/had problems, they didn’t take care of them and one day the whole thing exploded. Who would have thought that Brangelina ends in this terrible way?
Maybe he can go Turks & Caicos for another “restful and relaxing” holiday.
I don’t understand why he gets slammed for that. He had no chance of seeing his kids. Why wouldn’t he go elsewhere? I have a friend who leaves the country each time she doesn’t have her kids for a holiday; she thinks it is easier. Why was he so awful for not seeing his kids from thousands of miles away than from ten miles? Am I missing something?
You ask me….
There’s no logic with some, Carol. They accuse people of demonising Jolie, because it’s not her deciding when Pitt sees the kids – it’s only the therapist! Then they turn right around and slam him for not seeing his kids enough. *Headshake*
He should absolutely holiday wherever he wants. He should however, refrain from having his peeps say it was because “Angelina was keeping the kids from him”. From the emails that were filed in response to his request to keep the S & O details under seal, the therapist had drawn a visitation schedule through January 2017. He KNEW exactly the dates of his visitation, yet let his team smear Angelina with the “she won’t let him see the kids” lie. That’s low down and dirty.
I was surprised that after all the stories of him being “devastated” and crying plus calling his mother 24/7, he wouldn’t retreat to his family’s bosom for comfort.
Let’s look at it this way, shall we? If they were your children, and you were uncomfortable with them seeing their father unsupervised because of an incident, what would YOU do? Take away the fact that he’s Brad Pitt. Take away the fact that he was cleared of child abuse claims as things can still occur that do not fall under the auspices of child abuse but are still unsettling and disquieting. Put yourself in Angelina’s shoes as a MOTHER. Wouldn’t you try to do what is best for the children? There are therapists involved. Let them do their job. Stop painting Angelina as an evil witch. She isn’t a woman scorned. She’s a mother trying to do what is best for her children. I don’t think she wants to keep the kids away from their father. She just wants a healthier relationship for them all. I’m not sure why (or if) a holiday visit has been deemed unhealthy for the kids, though. There are a lot of “mights” in this tale of woe.
He’s not asking for unsupervised visits right now though. He’s simply asking to have more frequent supervised sessions with the kids. His requests don’t sound unreasonable at all to me. Infact, I would find it strange if he didn’t request more time with his children. However, I don’t know the specifics of what’s been going on in this family, so I can’t say for sure whether he should have more time with his children.
“…And in a December 1 email, she (Wasser) warned that him pursuing unsupervised visits…”
Directly from the above article and emails.
@ paranormal I read the emails. My understanding is that Pitt’s lawyer was asking for more supervised sessions with the children. However, if Angelina and her team refused, they could go to court and a judge would likely grant even more time with the children (i.e. unsupervised visits) It seemed like a negotiation tactic to me. He was saying “Let me see my children for a few more hours a week or we can go to court where a judge will grant me way more than that.” But I admit I could have interpreted it wrong.
In the state of California, a mother doesn’t have that power. It isn’t one parent that gets to dictate what he/she thinks is healthiest for the kids.
Err, I work in a women’s refuge and some women who have been through some very bad relationships, still go to contact centres EVERY week for 1-1.30 hours and the fathers ask for more if they can. If a parent shares parental responsibility and the child(ren) are happy to see the father, the best thing is to let them see the child(ren). It sucks for some of the women (some cope better than others) but like you have children together and it makes everything complicated. That’s how it unfortunately goes. When they get rehoused they end up giving the kids to the father for the weekend. If the father didn’t abuse the children and the children didn’t see the abuse and it’s cleared by Social Services, then legally they are in their right to have joint custody or more contact with the children if they do not want joint custody. And I’m talking about a 6 month span here.
Pitt, unlike many deadbeat fathers, has done exactly what was expected from him. And people were wondering why if he was so innocent? Yet now that he is pushing for a little bit more visitation, people act like this is unreasonable too. No it’s not. They’ve co-parented successfully throughout the relationship, the children were clearly attached to him too and Jolie’s crush on him was mainly due to being so fatherly. I’m sure he’s got issues, especially in the past year, but if the other children want to see him, then I don’t see the harsh judgment against him for that.
The Jolie team persists on following recommendations to the letter and siding with the therapist who happens to advocate for Pitt to see his children so little (so odd as absence makes things worse not better in the long-run). They want it to the letter so bad they ran to the court to ensure Pitt is seeing his children as little as possible. Seriously, Wasser saying co-parenting is the end goal in 6 months to a year would be devastating for any previously involved father. If the case is closed, why not at least set a 6 month goal at first and take it from there? Why not build up the supervised contact in the meantime like Pitt clearly wants to (it’s been 2 months already!).
And the children would be protected regardless. After that limited contact, they are returning back to their mother and they are in therapy. As if 1 hour of being together would be so damaging to them that it cannot be allowed? Contact is there to (re)establish a bond of trust within a protected environment to ensure everything is going as smooth, positive and healthy as possible.. people act like he’s going to abuse them right then and there.
If I had Pitt’s money, I would also ask for a second opinion and not rely on just 1 therapist who seems to think to distance will make things better. God knows how the children feel, we’re only hearing what professionals think which is only an opinion at the end of the day.
It’s clear it’s only the only children who do not want to have contact and it will be an uphill struggle as they are teenagers and much less susceptible to guidance of strangers. They feel what they feel and Pitt has got to live with that for the time being.
To give another example: there are young children to teenagers at the refuge who are forbidden to go to therapy if they were abused and it needs to go to trial because of the INFLUENCE a therapist can have on their psyche. I don’t think that’s great either but I’m just sharing what I ‘know’.
This is about more than what happened on that plane. I think he cheated on her or something. Something’s not adding up
Or he’s a hardcore alcoholic in the home.
I think he may be a “functional alcoholic” which, in my experience can be worse because they don’t think they have a problem. “I go to work, therefore I’m not an alcoholic.” & I’ve known the nicest people who are complete a**holes when drunk.
Yeah, because that’s the only reason a woman would try to protect her kids.
Despite Brad admitting to “put hands on him because we were standing nose to nose” and his lawyer saying it was “isolated incident” – that’s what abuser say.
But no that can’t be. She’s just evil because he cheated for the millionth time. Is it considered cheating if the woman doesn’t care ? Hello!!
Brad is begging more time with the kids. But the more important question is: why aren’t his kids begging to see more of their dad? Not even the younger ones? I think the trauma is real. This is not just about the usual teenage rebel phase.
How do you know that the kids DON’T want more time with Brad????
It’s a reasonable assumption based on the fact that the therapist has stated that the kids aren’t ready yet.
I am confident that he cheated which is why Angelina is not falling for his pity I miss the kids party. He was AWOL for most of last year but she didn’t broadcast it. I am really disappointed in Brad and he is beginning to look pitiful to me for real but not because of the divorce and child custody issues. Man up Brad. Oh wait poor Brad just can not deal with strong, smart Angelina. He needs his team to continue to bash her for him. Pitiful. Shades of Aniston. Only even Aniston did not [lay the pity card this much.
Then pick up the phone, call that woman whom you have chosen as the mother of your offspring, and find some common ground for one day.
Not that tough.
Grown people do it all the time. These two Hollywood bimbos never had to ‘grow up’ – hence the clueless-ness. I guess that bodyguard who went public was right. They do not know how to operate and behave like normal people.
Ha ha! This exactly. The ones of us who have been through this see how ridiculous this is. I did it. I couldn’t stand my husband but I made sure he saw his son. And he isn’t perfect either. But I chose him to be the dad. I didn’t get to cut him out and just go on with my life.
I don’t like dr Phil but I remember hearing him say to parents to work this junk out on their own without the courts, therapists etc… Saying “you don’t want someone else making those decisions for you”. I totally agree. You are the parents. Grow up, find common ground, and figure it out. No one loves your kids or knows what’s better for them than you do. I don’t care how many doctorates your therapist has.
If you never, ever, ever, ever, ever, wanted children, and without fail doubled up on the protection and still got pregnant, did you choose the dad?
Lady… I didn’t have time to respond yesterday and don’t know if you will see this but if I struck a nerve with you by saying what I did (as in you had the situation happen) I didn’t mean to sound so matter of fact or rude. Of course there are exceptions. I was speaking more to my circumstances or Angie’s. She chose Pitt as the father of her kids… Even the one that was there before he came around.
If the scenario you are talking about happened to you, you have my utmost respect. Especially if you are dealing with someone unsupportive or abusive. I apologize for sounding flippant.
I didn’t think you were being flippant at all, Lalu. I was just curious as to your thoughts on the situation. I did take every precaution and then I had my boy. No regrets, but I guess technically I did pick his dad as we were sleeping together. The only safe birth control is abstinence.
Having dealt with an awful custody battle, the phrasing of this story feels kind of fake to me.
Most states allow one parent to have an entire holiday day to themselves (Fathers Day). Smaller ones are switched every other year (4th July). The biggest (Christmas Day) is typically spent with only one parent. The other parent gets them a full day, but on the 24th or 26th. This is standard practice. He may just be complaining because he gets them Dec 26th instead of on Xmas Day. Every single year my brother gets the kids Dec 25-26, while the ex gets them Dec 23-24.
He wants more time. He wants to see the ones that want to see him. Nothing in either of those statements is what the children need right now. The therapists are saying the children need time to recover and heal and while it sucks for Brad, it is not about him right now. JFC, grow the hell up. Stop leaking stuff. Go to therapy. Get better. Be a better parent to those kids. Do what is necessary and recommended to get back to those kids. Good Lord, it’s not that difficult.
+1000 … and tell your lawyers and publicists to shut up.
2016 is officially the worst year of my life – Brexit, Trump winning and then the true faces of my childhood crushes Johnny Depp & Brad Pitt are exposed.
Depp a crazy abusive controlling man while Pitt is a man who cares more about his image and have no problems in throwing the mother of his children to the wolves for something he did.
Angelina – you are a wonderful woman and an amazing mother who is doing everything you can to protect them.
People are hurling vile words and accusations at you but you just stand there and take it all for your children’s sake. You are a true lioness and I hope that you and your children will be able to heal the pain Brad caused you.
As I mentioned before lots of times – Brad is not a bad man but whatever is going on with him has ruined his family and shown that his image is more important to save.
Maya, not to troll you but I really feel for you. Political results that impact real people and their families on a daily basis is on the same level for you as celebrities (who are strangers to you) and did everything they could to maintain an image to make you buy whatever they were selling. And then they say projection isn’t a real thing with celebrity gossip. It’s clear that people are personally affected by this kind of stuff but in no way is it that important to feel like your year has been ruined. Like, there are worse things and it’s not your life anyway. Take this to heart: celebrities are not real, at least not what they show us. Get over it.
Umm it seems to me that you took my comments to seriously and you might be the one who is projecting here.
Yes I am upset of the political aspect and no I am not upset about the two men I mentioned.
I lost my mother a few years so believe me when I say that I know what really matters in life and what to be upset about and what not to be upset about.
+1000000 maya
maya i am with you all the way
Wouldn’t it be nicer for you to actually use a nickname that haven’t been used here since years by someone else?? Or do you have the necessity to sound like you’re not new here? And I will have to agree with Artemis.
I usually keep comments to legal issues, but here I’m going to chime in on the kids situation. A bit of speculation…the kids perhaps witness the father verbally abuse the mother on that plane? The kids were told about the father’s infidelity? The father unloaded some better kept unsaid truths on an isolated, pampered bunch of kids? I will never believe that isolating a parent from the children is good advice from a therapist. Much worse trauma in the long-term will come from parental alienation. They are in counseling, and that is good, but I don’t understand the therapists motives. DCFS orders counseling and anger mgmt and drug testing and monitored weekly visits, I have never once, ever, in many years of cases of this type heard of them putting a therapist in charge of determining the time and length of visits. There is a monitor and it is imperative that weekly visits be kept up. Isn’t anyone in charge in this family? The kids are so fragile, and apparently in charge of what happens? Any time they encounter problems in life they will retreat and be “traumatized”? I FO NOT BUY THAT THE JOLIE-PITT CHILDREN ARE TRAUMATIZED. Something stinks here. DCFS LA are brutal in dishing out their recommendations for sure, but they DO NOT KEEP PARENTS FROM VISITATION. This is not them.
Yes that’s what I’m thinking. Even when everything goes bad, most parents are still entitled to contact. The fact that Pitt passed the drugs test etc would be enough to allow him more access even if they don’t want to give him full access straight away (understandable). But that they brought in an independent therapist is odd to me. I’m in the UK but Social Services even allows drug addicts with criminal offences to see their kids if it’s in a controlled environment. It’s strange also that so many people think that such limited contact for a closed case after a full investigation is somehow normal just because 1 professional decides it’s the best.
They allow addicts and criminals access here in CA as well, while being monitored and tested. Remember 19 rehabs Brook Mueller who was found to have done hard drugs in the presence of the children? She was given custody after a period of time being monitored by her brother during visitation.
One thing that bothers me is when I read people here saying that it’s basically inhuman to lose your temper with spouse or children. That is just unreasonable. And the idea that these are not resilient like all kids are seems silly. After all, it was Angelina who divulged in an interview that her kids wrote in their marriage vows, “they made us promise to say ‘sorry’ when we fight”. Obviously the fighting of the couple was foremost in the kids mind, and they have been exposed to it frequently. These kids are fine and healing will take place. IMHO, Laura Wasser knows Pitt can modify the visitation in court any time, so she bought some time by filing the stip which did not need to be filed. He is holding off on filing the eminent Request for Order Modifying Custody and Visitation so that he can get the file sealed. It could possibly be to save face for himself as well as his kids, but my gut tells me he is about to unload some damaging info about Jolie in defense of her accusations and it would be bad for his kids for him to publically damage her. There are always two sides in court, and his has not yet been represented at all, in fact, I’m sure she had plenty to unload as well, but she wanted her cake and eat it too…if she really wants to avoid a protracted court battle as Wasser says she does then she’d loosen the reigns on the kids a bit. She trusted him to adopt them and to parent them within months of knowing him and had a bio child within a year of knowing him, I think the children will be just fine visiting him and the “trauma” is a tool.
Exactly! I’m not saying Jolie had to leave Pitt after the first fight but clearly the kids were aware of fighting and Jolie overshared about her fights with Pitt on multiple occasion even to promote her own crappy film. But that’s not damaging to their kids? And making a film about a dysfunctional marriage that clearly took toll on their own is healthy behaviour? She said herself that they ‘drove each other mad’ but sometimes you can push it too far and whether he didn’t see it or she didn’t see it, lines were crossed. Maybe if THEY had gone into marriage counselling and stopped driving each other mad (and glorified it to sell the film to the public!), they wouldn’t have come to the point where the lines were blurred about what is healthy marital behaviour. Plus she did say that ‘By The Sea’ didn’t reflect their own marriage issues yet the divorce announcement certainly made it seem like it did.
Yup, she most definitely didn’t take her time to trust him to be a father to her child and quickly added more children and now they need time and patience for Pitt to see his own children because they’re traumatized? Kids are very resilient, maybe Jolie herself cannot process what happened and how her marriage crumbled but young kids especially don’t have those kind of complex feelings at first. If they love somebody, they continue to do so even if they know something is wrong/off with one of the parents or both.
So many kids who were extremely abused, STILL love their parents (even if they hate them at the same time) and want their love and they would accept it eagerly if it was offered. Nothing indicated Pitt was extremely abusive, Jolie would have have him by the balls if this was the case and she would have filed much earlier. It seems more like slow marital discord with a disregard to the children’s presence at a certain point that got out of hand and here we are.
To add: I think somebody else calling the authorities maybe made Jolie think about the kind of marriage she has and realised she HAD to bolt. And I think the older kids who might have been tired of the marital issues took their mother’s side because they feel she needs protecting, which is a normal reaction for teen boys imo.
It’s all so strange how they never felt to go into therapy and slowing down both of their careers. Jolie was directing back to back too and is known to be a type-A multitasker just like Pitt was working back to back. But they were gladly making a film about a terrible marriage that pushed their buttons even more. Bad decision for both Pitt and Jolie.
@Anna. Its good to see you here, I look for your legal analysis on these stories. You must be pulling out your hair for how often people get the legal facts of this case wrong. Even the tabloid articles are often getting it wrong.
@Anna I’m beginning to agree as well. Will see what unfolds over the holidays before making a judgement.
Anna he’s been releasing damaging info about jolie through sources this entire time. Angelina doesn’t care or she would have filed for it to be sealed. What a joke. If he had anything in her worth a damn thing it would have affected the dcfs stuff and Angelina would be the one taking drug tests and having monitored visits.
He is afraid exactly what he did in the plane is going to come out and wasser said therapist will testify against him…she should release what he did so his fans can stuff it and he can go give “exclusives” Angelina is mean stories some more.
His own lawyer admits something happened and his kids don’t want to see him. But yeah let’s blame the victim for leaving his sorry ass!!!
You lot seem to be thinking along the same lines as me. I understand that these extreme measures were agreed on whilst Brad was under investigation, but he has been cleared and his presence is not considered a risk to the children and could not impact on Angelina’s position as a parent. Also, if the therapists are making no progress after 3 months, to the point that Angelina feels a trauma specialist is required, then why are they still relying 100% on one man’s opinion? Why not get a second opinion? This level of contact with a parent seems to be extremely unusual and it doesn’t seem to be working.
Wow, Artemis and Anna… I agree with everything you guys have written. This was my take too. And you guys touched on some things I hadn’t even considered that sound completely plausible.
I am of the opinion that these kids aren’t being done any favors by being kept from their dad.
And I think that kids need some control over their lives… But there is a line when we as parents have to tell them things are okay and everyone has to move forward.
Excellent comments.
I will only add here that the extremely unorthodox parenting that Brad and Angelina engaged in will only exacerbate any behavioral issues any of the boys have. Their childhood was spent only in the presence of each other, being uprooted every six months, not being able to form healthy friendships outside the family unit. All of this is destabilizing for children. There is no way they are being raised to be well-adjusted adults.
As for why Brad and Angelina did not get counselling, I don’t think that HW couples are like normal couples, who have social and economic pressures to stay married. I think that for both these individuals their egos are outsized. The fact that neither of them could pick up the phone to call/plead with the other person is bizarre. Their anger and ego is getting ahead of them – quite obviously. Just witnessing this ungracious behavior in public leads me to shiver at what could possibly have gone down in private. They are simply not rational enough to go to counselling.
Replying on this sight confuses me, but I tried to leave this reply at the end of this thread. Thank you all for your wisdom. I’m in all the this family’s side. Each of them in my heart. Like all the people I meet living what I have lived in divorce and in divorce actions.
Something stinks alright and its Brad Pitt and his fans.
You’re basically trying to hint that Angelina is controlling 5-6 therapists. Gmab
His lawyer called it an “isolated incident” – women are encouraged to leave after one but people like you would rather have her kids suffer in that situation all so that Brad pitt wouldn’t come off looking like an abusive PoS. I bet you support Johnny Depp too. 🙄
Sadly, I can think of what Brad might have said to get such a “Mama Bear” response from Angelina Jolie. Imagine the safety/comfort/innocence of your child was threatened. Imagine that happened in front of you, and it happened by someone you thought would never cross the worst possible line imaginable to you. And let your mind wander to what this line crossed may look like. Go to deep dark places (they have a mixed, blended family with biological kids and adopted kids..) Then imagine how you would react as a Mother if that line was crossed… I think this is what we are all witnessing – Angelina’s reaction. A woman only goes on the the attack when a child she loves has been hurt – best explanation. ..
A couple years ago, I heard my 70 y/o father say to my 63 y/o Mom that 2 of his grandchildren looked “retarded” (my neice and nephew are biracial). It was just the 3 of us together, but I literally had to hold my Mom back as she lunged at my Father, hurling things at him as she cussed him so badly and put a curse on him (we are African). Do not eff with her children and Do NOT EVER eff with her little grandchildren – she will cut a b*tch. #truth
You are accusing Brad of something extremely horrible, with absolutely NO KNOWLEDGE that anything like that, ever happened…I have never heard, or seen, any evidence that Brad loves his bio kids more than his adopted kids!!! Try and stick to the facts, please….
This makes it sound like he won’t get any toys for Christmas. Y’know, it’s still 10 days out and things could change, but planting these stories and pressuring from the outside probably doesn’t help his cause. Though I’m sure it would be best for public image to get headlines like, “Heartwarming Xmas for Reunited Pitt & Kids.”
“I want what’s best for the children” and “My feelings come second to those of the children” would be so much more suitable now. Even if he’s angry or feels slighted. ESPECIALLY if he’s angry or feels slighted.
How can you equate “not getting any toys for Christmas” with, not being able to spend any time with your children for Christmas???? I don’t understand why people can’t understand, why Brad would be sad, to not see his kids at the Holidays. No matter what went down on that plane, you cannot assume that Brad doesn’t love his kids and that, of course, he would be heartbroken, not to see them…For at least, thirteen years, AJ has praised Brad as a fantastic father. She adopted children with him, and had children with him. I don’t think she would have done that if she thought he was a terrible parent. Obviously, this past year, has been a struggle for this family…but that does not negate all the time that Brad was a seemingly good Dad…
This is some pot calling the kettle black [doodoo] here. Pitt whines about how Jolie is violating the kids’ privacy, and now he leaks this crocodile tears sob story.
This. i’m fully on board with the request to seal the court documents, but he and his team need to stop with these sob story tabloid plants.
Oh, so Brad was accused of child abuse, and very publicly investigated by CPS and FBI. Cleared, but people are still crying for his head all over the internet. Then his wife left him, took the kids, and now he hardly sees them, and spends holidays without them. Requests to spend even just a little more time together are just brushed off, because of a therapist who doesn’t seem to think children need to see their father. Endless stories of how Brad must be a hopeless addict, and a danger to his own kids, despite the fact that he looks fine and seems to be able to work as usual.
Oh, are you saaaad, Brad? Pity party!!!
I don’t have much faith in the investigations of CPS. I have a friend who is a teacher. One of the kids, a first grader, showed up to school having been beaten by his father. So severely that the school took him to the hospital. Last I knew, the father still has custody of his kid.
I read somewhere yesterday (dammit I forget where) that Angie would like the children to spend time with Bill and Jane Pitt on Christmas since she and the children are still close to the grandparents. It will be decidedly odd if this visit takes place and Brad is not included.
I haven’t heard that but I found it “odd” he didn’t spend Thanksgiving with The Pitts rather than going to Turks and Caicos with a buddy.If I was estranged from my kids I would spend Thanksgiving with my parents,siblings,nieces,nephews,etc.
Unless being around them, would make him miss his kids more.IDK
I’m still confused why he hasn’t filed a motion to change visitation.Since he doesn’t want to follow the therapists recommendation why not file a motion regarding visitation.
yeah, why not indeed.
same as: why oppose a legal representative for the kids?
very very very interesting FACTS, that people keep consistently ignoring.
go figure.
He can spent it wherever he want. He should go partying new years mature way …she know she can’t say I’m better blah blah….
But he’s supposed to be such a big family guy, right, Candies? I mean that’s the way he always presented himself? So why not spend a family holiday with his family?
This is the reality of divorce. One parent usually doesn’t see them on the exact day of a holiday. My sister and her ex-husband alternate who has the kids on Christmas each year. She had them on Christmas last year, so he has them this year.
What’s most interesting here is that people are conflating what is best for the children (therapist involvement and Jolie’s team leaks) with what Jolie thinks what’s best (based on her action via her legal team i.e. the filing of the temporary document) but neither of this is proof that the children don’t feel the need to see their father.
In a purely legal pov, Pitt not being under investigation anymore and having fulfilled all the requirements during and after the investigation meaning he’s NOT a danger to the children, it’s actually perfectly normal and within his rights to see his children. Only the people involved know what is going on and it is very telling that Pitt is requesting more time with the younger children, meaning he must know they would be open to it or even asking for it vs Jolie using the therapist’s opinion to put their point ‘no the children are traumatized’ across. Jolie’s tactic is very legal and also within her rights of course but where’s the true evidence that it is reflecting how her children are feeling? Adults are saying how they feel so it’s all speculation. It’s odd that only the feelings of the older kids were explicitly mentioned.
you sound confused
How come he needs 2 fifty minute therapy sessions on his own, in addition to family/child therapy sessions?
I agree, he is in a no win situation. If he tries to jump through the hoops in order to see the kids and do everything to defeat the claim that he is unfit (drug testing, counselling, supervised visits) then he is considered to be admitting guilt. If he asks for more time with them then he is imposing himself on them. If he goes to do his job promoting a film then he doesn’t care about them. If he accepts that he wont see them at Thanksgiving and leaves the country then he doesn’t care about his kids. If he fights to see them at Christmas then he is playing a pity party.
He can’t do no good and while I don’t agree with Pitt’s mudslinging (I’m not blind) there has been no evidence that Pitt would be a danger to his children nor that he was abusive to his children.
There is no way that joint custody would be the end goal if he was like that and it would have been mandatory to take parenting classes etc. Everything has been a recommendation that he willingly followed. There’s no drama or history of abuse behind that. People are throwing everything at him acting like it’s for the kids’ protection when it’s really about taking sides. What’s good for children is being parented by both parents if the parents have healthy relationships with them, that’s all. Even convicts can see their kids more.
Poor kids. When my ex and I divorced, we agreed that parenting our daughter would remain our top priority. We agreed to split holidays without even putting that in the divorce documents. We agreed to sit together at all sporting events she was in and anything else that involved her. It’s been ten years and that’s why we are now really good friends and our daughter was less traumatized by the divorce than she would have been had we been at each other’s throats. (It was traumatic but less so than it could have been.). This type of divorce requires two mature and sane parents which is unfortunately not always the case.
Angelina’s side will have a reply shortly.
The situation is being made worse by the “so called experts” by not allowing Brad access to his own children during Christmas.
She won’t release a statement because US weekly, a Us tabloid wrote a story about Brad not being about to see the kids. In the three statements she released they came after legit information was released to the press. Hence, the divorce and Brad being cleared. Us weekly isn’t legit. They know as much as we do about this situation.
Dammit Brad, shut up.
This divorce & Johnny Depp/Amber Heard divorce has made me disgusted with most commentors, except thankfully most here on Celebitchy. No one thought Mel Gibson was an abuser either with Oksana. They all said she was just a gold digger & you know what? She probably was. But that doesn’t make her any less a victim as well. No one believed her until after Gibson started telling anti-sematic statements at a police officer. So I guess we just have to wait for Depp & Pitt to verbally assault a man, then maybe people will believe Amber & Angelina? I do think Brad has been able to hide whatever is going on with him better. Gibson & Depp both looked like alcoholics (reddened face/bloat) when their drama started. But not all monsters act like Charlie Sheen in public. Some save their true colors for those closest to them & behind closed doors. & honestly, I truly hope Brad’s problem is brought on by alcohol or drugs, at least then he could correct it & get back to being a good father. I don’t have any hope for Depp.
She’s following in her mother’s footsteps. The selfishness is disgusting. I dont think either parent is perfect but to not allow your children to see their father is cruel. She should be encouraging a relationship between her children and their father. This is about control.
Her mother?really…you’re reaching there……It was her father who wasn’t there(yet the man gets an excuse)…Angie isn’t the one to decide when the kids see him why is that so hard to believe for some?..as soon as she releases some other facts you guys aren’t accepting you’ll be hurling insults at her again…I honestly think Angelina isn’t as aggressive with the attacks as some say if that were the case we would j i.e. Exactly what happened on the plane & the lead up to it..but ofcourse Any “evil”Angie story is believable to some🙄…
How did Marcheline use the Angie against Jon?… If anything it’s aj who saw the way her mother was treated…infact throughout Aj life she had a r/ship with her father till HE spoke negatively of her…& the fact that Jon didn’t pay child support to Marcheline adds to aj seeing her mother struggle…..so I think you’re reaching there….
I agree with you Joannie. As a parent my heart breaks for the children and for Brad. Parental alienation is a serious possibility here, and I truly hope that he gets a judge who sees that and helps normalize his relationship with the children asap.
Every day that the kids spend with her and her brother (both damaged by a similar childhood situation with their own mother) they are open to toxic words and statements … all of which can lead to poisoning their young minds against Brad.
I’m sure Angelina mother isn’t completely innocent but you can’t put all the blame on Marcheline when Jon did a fantastic job at screwing up his relationship with his kids by himself. He cheated on their mother with many women. He went on television and said horrible things about Angelina. If he wanted a good relationship with his daughter, I doubt crying on Access Hollywood was going to fix that relationship. He seems a like a horrible person.
So you knew her mother?
Seriously! Where are people getting all this mother/father issues? Is there a biography I need to read?
How seeing your dad is a bad thing? I mean with all that? She’s lucky she doesn’t have a tc on him that remove everything of his( bad dad but.. ).. And no PR angle for her use with using the kids non zero …then she wouldn’t sign for it…
I hope he move on and start taking up things…and we all know he tried …
She’s headache imo..
The kids shouldn’t be forced to see a man they are afraid of.
why is it OK to use the term shrink? I don’t think it’s very considerate of the children are getting therapy
I’ve certainly learned one thing. Never sign a TEMPORARY agreement because three months later, even after being cleared by investigators and fulfilling my end of the agreement, a minor, reasonable request of adjustment can not only be SHUT DOWN with zero negotiation, but met with threats of “ugly, protracted and public court battles.”
Did you read the lawyers emails? Laura wasser asked them to meet with the therapist and see what they think before making any changes. This is not about the best interest of Brad Pitt – who basically wants to move the kids on before they are ready with his life so he can fly off to film movies and leave his kids behind – this is about the well being of the kids. He should just sign the kids over to Angelina if he doesn’t care about their feelings- oh, but that would hurt his image.
The therepaist are the same DCFS recommended.
I did read the emails and I did not see any hint of a willingness to compromise. All decisions concerning visitation being in the hands of the therapists means sticking to the original, supposedly temporary agreement of Oct. 26. If this is not factual I am open to correction.
I’ll not address the remainder of your comment.
Why would Angelina compromise when they agreed that it would be up to the Therapists assigned by dcfs? She obviously signed that agreement hoping Brad Pitt was going to lovingly get through this with his kids instead of trying to get out of it before his kids are ready.
He has WWZ ready to film next year. He needs this custody thing over with so that he can film that. If Angelina was evil she would try to get out of the agreement too because she’s going to end up with full custody anyway whether the courts give it to her or not. The kids will rarely see Brad.
Angelina obviously thought Brad was down with fixing things with his kids and having a real relationship with ALL of them. But career is more important. Career and vacation.
He should go back to Turks and Caicos for xmas like he did for thanksgiving. Much more relaxing and restful and the media would love it and praise him for it while demonization Angelina like he wants.
What a wake up call this must’ve been for her.
As I said above his lawyer called it an “isolated incident” and Angelina was right to get out right away. Isolated incidents usually escalate into more and more abuse
Brad Pitt is extremely creepy for trying to be the victim after he abused his family and Angelina is actually doing what people tell women to do. Leave after the first “isolated incident” – but she is being punished for not giving into the abusers demands.
A damn shame!!!
He was cleared of abuse by two different agencies. I think it’s unfair to classify him as an abuser because for twelve years all we have heard is what a supportive husband and great father he has been. Suddenly he’s horribly abusive? He can’t see his kids more than three times in three months? People get highly emotional going through a divorce and frequently use the kids to punish each other. For years we heard stories about Johnny Depp having tantrums and trashing hotel rooms. I believe Amber Heard. I just don’t feel like there is the evidence against Brad that’s against Johnny.
Thank you dolphin 7. First time ever, we’ve heard of a incident by Brad. What happened, we don’t know. But we do know he was cleared by DCFS. So how did he abuse his kid? My dad slapped me one time, it gave me a black eye, DCFS was called and my dad had to plead guilty to a misdemeanor. So surely, if Brad had hit his kid, he would not have been cleared. So I do not believe he hit anyone. Any other type of supposed abuse is just guessing. Angelina has always called him a good father, never a bad word against him. I don’t believe he abused his kids.
I don’t believe Pitt abused his kids. But, I do think something happened on that plane that had a profound affect on the kids. Brad could have done something or said something he can’t take back especially with the two older kids.
Also,if the mother(Angie)who experienced brads “episode”on the plane…& a whole bunch of people including the therapist,who again probably know what really happened are against Brad seeing the kids regularly (FOR NOW)why is there such resistance since they know the truth of the matter??..evidently Brad Pitt lost it & currently he’s paying the consequences of those actions…but yet “evil”Angelina(who has no control of the visits at this time)…is to blame🙄…Laughable!
This is nuts. How is is that Brad was cleared by DFACS and the FBI of any charges whatsoever, but some therapist thinks it’s not in the kid’s best interest to see their father, even at Christmas? Who picked this therapist — Laura Wasserman?? I don’t buy this for a minute.
Emails showed the therapist are the same ones they had from the beginning of the dcfs investigation. Brad signed the agreement obviously thinking it wouldn’t be enforced- Angelina signed it thinking he would follow through and try to fix what he broke with the kids.
This is showing that he doesn’t care if his kids are healthy and I really think it’s because he doesn’t plan on seeing much of them anyway. He just wants it to go away so that he can film world war Z in Jan. And he can go back to being high and drunk
You are hysterical. There is no evidence that he was high or drunk. If he had an alcohol problem dcfs would have required him to go to rehab. He is getting tested for drugs four times a month. If he had a drug problem it would have been caught right in the first test.
Calm down. You are losing sight of what are facts and what are coming out of your own hyperfertile imagination.
I agree with Maia that if there was a problem with drugs/alcohol, he would be in rehab right now. I think Brad would do anything to get access to his kids. This plan might have been hatched in advance by Angelina’s attorneys (and included the therapist) to get the kids used to not having their father in their lives, so she can get custody. Brad needs to ask for a therapist that his own team appoints.
He passed the drugs test though, even if he would have dyed his hair, drugs still would’ve shown so it’s unlikely he’s been using/abusing in the weeks leading up to the incident. Weed can be detected up to 3 weeks prior to a test!
And sorry but they both want this custody to be over. They were (are) both workaholics who uprooted every 4-6 months juggling multiple careers/commitments but yeah pretend like it’s only Pitt now who has a dire need to get back to business? For years we’ve heard Jolie proclaim how she would be sad if the kids no longer were interested in travelling and how she saw herself having adventures with Pitt (travelling) in their old age but it’s ONLY Pitt who loves the fast life right?
If joint custody is reached, they can both kiss goodbye this type of life. They would HAVE to settle down and follow each other to ensure a smooth transition from mother to father. They would have to hash out an agreement that allows both of them to do work and see their kids equally but I don’t see how they will manage if they can’t even get Pitt to see his kids more. Getting joint custody will be the start of a decade-long extreme compromise between Pitt and Jolie to actively follow each other so the family can stick together. Especially if 2 kids don’t want to be with Pitt for the time being and the rest of them would be broken up when staying with Pitt, it’s truly a nightmare. They can never look ahead without checking in with each other once this custody is over unless Pitt is fine with weekly visitation/weekends but I doubt it.
I agree. They are workaholics but Jolie seems to get all the blame for moving the kids around all the time. It’s her fault they don’t go to school with other kids and it’s her fault when they don’t stay in one place for a very long time. In recent years, Brad has worked more than Angelina.
Brad and Angelina chose to live a nomadic life. They love to travel and work all the time. Working too much is probably one reason why their relationship didn’t work. And I agree they both will have to change their lifestyles. People that read gossip act like it’s only going to kill Angelina to be unable to take their kids on location with her for three months. It’s going to kill Brad, too. As a couple the kids woukd come with them whether it was to Cambodia or London. That’s about to change. Good luck Brad and Angelina!
🙄Oh maaan – i can’t take it. They are making it very hard for me to know in my heart of hearts they are getting back together 😖
This is about more than a fight on an airplane. Something else went down, something bad that we don’t know about. I just truly hope that Jolie isn’t engaging in any type of parental alienation.
I’m waiting for PEOPLE to make an article about Brad’s Christmas or his birthday. And I can bet $100 we’ll know. Why? We have to know everything.
But to be honest, we don’t if they chose to keep things private. But Pitt and Jolie care too much about the public opinion.
Back to the headline: Why is it any big deal to not see the kids at Christmas? They’re both atheists. Their kids don’t go to school, it isn’t like that is their only vacation this winter. A call to Christians for pity? That’s pitiful. He had a movie coming out when all this blew up, I’m sure that had nothing to do with the Angie-blaming. The movie bombed, just settle it privately and let us know when its done. Or not. Poor kids.
Angelina jolie is showing that she is protecting her children. When child protection agency is involved a parent e.g. angelina jolie has to remove the children from the perpetrator and show she is making the kids safe. If she is a protective factor then there is no need for the kids to be placed for another care or foster care. What she has done was better and imagine other women put their partner first and does not even believe their kids especially when a kid disclose that she or he was harmed by the other parent. Believe me Angelina Jolie is doing what’s best for her family. She is a mega star she does not need to go and help people for being famous she is already . As a matter of fact, her life experience taught her to be a different individual now. She does have a beautiful heart but people who have signifocant issues are those that perceive things wrongly. Or those with agenda , meaning just to put her down and use her name to make money like the media.
I don’t like either one of these people and I think it is appalling to use children as pawns in a divorce. Granted he sounded like the booze and weed were out of control. Not cool when you have children to care for. But I get the feeling she is spinning things up to mess with him, to get the kids on her side and keep her St Angelina halo intact. They are both despicable.
Totally agree. I could never stand either of them and now that they’re using their kids as tools to push their agenda during this circus they’ve both created? They’re both confirmed as terrible people. But that’s Hollywood for you
I think one of the big mistakes we all make is to believe that these Hollywood stars think and act and parent like we do. They don’t. They just don’t. Not that they are not human beings, but for a long time now they have been living a lifestyle of being catered to, of money rarely if ever being a consideration in making a decision.
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Remember when we used to say “Balls” to the over indulgence of articles about this pair? Well there I said it! It’s a Balls-Out Friday ⚽️🏀🏈Enjoys it!
Happy Birthday, Brad Pitt! Remember, Angelina is the mother of your children. The boss! I think you will have joint custody. Just be patient.
she warned that him pursuing unsupervised visits could lead to “costly, ugly, protracted and public court battles.”
wooooooooooooow. I dont know. I grew up with no father who made no attempts and I WOULD OFTEN wonder if he was sad and frustrated in not seeing my siblings and I for holidays and whatnot….my point is let that man see his children