Who could have predicted that the end would come because Donald Trump JUNIOR published his own emails proving that he was colluding with Kremlin-backed foreign agents? In my Impeachment Bingo Card, no one thought it would actually go down like that. To recap, the NYT had been tracking a story about Don Jr. and his shady-ass meeting with a woman connected to the Kremlin. The meeting happened in June of last year, in the heat of the presidential campaign. The Russian woman met with Don Jr., Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort at Trump Tower. At first, Don denied that the meeting was about anything other than Russian adoptions/sanctions. Then he issued a statement to the NYT which was basically an admission of attempted collusion, and an admission that he absolutely broke existing federal law.
On Monday night, the NYT reported that Don Jr.’s own statements weren’t the only evidence of collusion, that there were a series of emails in which the collusion was spelled out in direct fashion. It seemed too good to be true. But those emails really exist, and we know because Don Jr. posted them to his Twitter yesterday. No joke.
Here's my statement and the full email chain pic.twitter.com/x050r5n5LQ
— Donald Trump Jr. (@DonaldJTrumpJr) July 11, 2017
Here is page 4 (which did not post due to space constraints). pic.twitter.com/z1Xi4nr2gq
— Donald Trump Jr. (@DonaldJTrumpJr) July 11, 2017
The emails are back-and-forth between Don Jr. and Rob Goldstone, a publicist and middle-man for the Trumps and shady Russian interests. Goldstone approached Don Jr. to set up a meeting with a “Russian government attorney” who has “some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia…This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.” Don Jr.’s reply? “If it’s what you say I love it.” Seriously. Around this same time, whenever Don Jr. got any question about the campaign colluding with Russia, he would always scoff and say those stories were full of lies.
Don Sr. issued a statement about his son’s emails too: “My son is a high-quality person and I applaud his transparency.” There’s some question about whether Emperor Baby Fists and the Bigly White House are leaving Don Jr. out to dry, like he’s the fall-guy of this terrible mob family. I don’t think so, but I mostly don’t believe that Don Jr. is the fall guy because the Trumps are too inept to think that way.
Don Jr. also appeared on Hannity last night. I’m sorry about the sketchy “drain the swamp” video, but this was the best version. Don Jr. comes across as… profoundly stupid. We’re getting into the part of this treason scandal where Emperor Baby Fists may start pardoning his family members.
Photos courtesy of WENN.
I am pretty sure that Trump supporters and the GOP will have no problem with all this.
Agree. It’s exhausting how far this will have to fall before anything will actually resonate, if ever.
The rabid ones don’t. The Washington Post actually has a great story on how fast the messaging within the online Trump community stabilized and got disseminated. Granted it was a message that didn’t stand up to all known laws of reality, but what else is new.
Lol. Reality or perception thereof has taken on a whole new meaning in the Trump era. It’s exhausting.
Lynnie! Haven’t seen you in a while, hope you are doing well. A welcome contributor on our fair board.
@Esmom Tell me about it. I don’t know how these reporters/people in the thick of it deal with it.
@WATP Holaaa! You are soo sweet 🙈 I’m doing well thanks for asking 😊. I’ve disappeared cuz I’m doing a summer semester, but today I had a free day lol. Hope things are going great for you too! 💖
I’ve read, watched, and heard them saying that this wasn’t a bad thing to do, and any other politician would have the meeting if they were offered damaging information. Their excuses will never stop
If the trumpsters had the Russians shoot down Hillary’s plane it would be okay with the true believers. Senator Joseph McCarthy is spinning in his grave.
He is being joined by Roy Cohn.
Cohn, who I might point out, was a great friend to the Trumps
If Republicans in power and/or those with any actual political ambition were aware that this PoSs hurt their long-term career interests, they should do something about it. Call me naive, I’ll take it.
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Vice President Mike Pence (R)
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Speaker of the House of Representatives Paul Ryan (R)
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President pro tempore of the Senate Orrin Hatch (R)
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Secretary of State Rex Tillerson (R)
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Secretary of the Treasury Steven Mnuchin (R)
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Secretary of Defense James Mattis (I)
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Attorney General Jeff Sessions (R)
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Secretary of the Interior Ryan Zinke (R)
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Secretary of Agriculture Sonny Perdue (R)
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Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross (R)
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Secretary of Labor Alexander Acosta (R)
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Secretary of Health and Human Services Tom Price (R)
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Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Ben Carson (R)
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Secretary of Transportation Elaine Chao (R)[a]
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Secretary of Energy Rick Perry (R)
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Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos (R)
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Secretary of Veterans Affairs David Shulkin (I)
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Secretary of Homeland Security John F. Kelly (I)
All they see are thousands of aborted foetuses. Nothing else matters to them in that context. They need it explained to them just how many unborn babies would die in a nuclear holocaust if that psychopathic lunatic starts a nuclear war and wipes out the entire human race.
Let’s not kid ourselves. Abortion is only murder because it can be used as a weapon against women. They don’t actually care about children otherwise. Military these days likely kills more innocents than criminals, and they’re lauded as heroes. The cognitive dissonance has been alive and well for years.
This is going to make a great HBO documentary one day.
But for now, this is horrifying, this is mortifying and it’s like everything is moving slow as molasses. Every day I read stuff like this and I look around and I’m like “why aren’t the police kicking in doors!? Where is everyone!? who is stopping this!?” and I hear crickets back. I’m waiting for a big bang and it’s not coming.
More like a miniseries. It’s impossible to condense the last one year into 2 hours of film.
The reason is exactly because we’re living it, we can’t just fast-forward to the main parts.
It’s going to take a while, but we’ll get there.
I feel like Ryan Murphy is watching all of this unfold and just scribbling down notes like a maniac.
It writes itself, really. Ugh.
Fact is certainly stranger than fiction these days. The emails are so flagrant that if Trump had not released them himself, I would have assumed they are fake.
CidyKitty: I’m not American, but keep wondering the same things, and am becoming more impatient and frustrated with each day’s developments. I fear that all we’ll end up hearing is schïtt sliding off teflon.
Pssst! No one is coming!!
Because it is so, so, so complex. I cannot remember which twitterer (true facts stated? lauferlaw? teapainUSA?) I was reading today, but they were talking about all the connections with just one strand of corruption.
But then 20committee said the IC is aware of the dangers to our country here and will be acting accordingly, even though it will feel slow to us.
NY Post headline: Donald Trump Jr. is an idiot. I kid you not.
Also, Jimmy Kimmel’s sketch about an interview with Kellyanne Conway trying to spin this is so accurate that it’s sad.
“What do you mean by “meeting”, Jimmy?” Yes, classic Conway.
Kellyann is a pro at spinning these lies into stories that blame other people. Trumps team are also pros when it comes to avoiding answering important questions by completely changing the subject
I wish those journalists who interview KC were firmer and make her stick to the subject. If not, cut the interview. It’s already embarrassing. They’ve had enough time to learn the ropes.
RE Kellyanne: I only wish I could be a fly on the wall to watch her own children use her tactics on her which, doubtless, they will have had the time and ability to sharpen and refine.
RE: The rest of this mess – I’ve learned to put the freaked-out part of me on ice much of the time in order to function, which gives me the ability to just keep those handfuls of popcorn close by when some new installment of the black comedy that is this administration surfaces.
Rice: I just watched our late-night current affairs programme and saw that – spot on! I’ve been glued to my armchair watching The Last Leg and Mad As Hell on our national broadcaster. The mocking they gave Trump was truly wonderful to behold!
I also had a giggle at those emails: buried in there is the phrase “private and confidential”. Indeed…
He always looks like he’s about to vomit. Can’t say I blame him.
Also the GOP, FOX news and everyone else can wear the cone of shame for the rest of forever. Zero integrity and zero spines between them.
Agreed. I believe there’s a special place in hell for Fox and its incessant lies and hate. They’re a main culprit in the rise of Trump, imo.
They don’t know the meaning of shame.
Absolutely. Fox had a huge HUGE hand in Trump winning and continues to be the validating force behind this administration’s inexcusable corruption. This is what Fox does best: wrap up deplorable behavior and put a pretty bow on it. Disgusting, appalling, nauseating…just awful.
You said it, Kitten. 👏👏
Maybe Jerry hall could take a break from counting murdoch’s money and ask him to stop destroying our country. Fox is truly one of the worst things that has happened to America in the last 30 years (joining Lee Atwater, Newt G, Sarah Palin, Rush L, Karl Rove etc). GOP base have become uninformed unquestioning lemmings for anything Repub party wants to do and boy do they love to screw their base over. Please vote in 2018.
He won’t be able to pardon anyone without charges or convictions. And they won’t charge them without taking the whole operation out. They really are stupid because they thought it would prove innocence. When it’s illegal to accept this kind of help rom foreign powers as a campaign too. Idiots.
As people said yesterday this has far and beyond surpassed watergate. Bush’s ethics committees have said as much on Twitter.
Now if this is was the NYT has imagine what the investigators have uncovered. Then be scared because this rabbit hole goes further than any of us could’ve imagined
They didn’t release them to prove innocence or they wouldn’t have lied and waited so long..it was only because they knew the NYT had the goods..they only come clean when caught, and their arrogance enables them to believe that will never happen.
And ‘high quality’..? Sounds like describing an expensive food processor
“High quality”, I know. Trump has used it to describe people before. Honestly he spoke more lovingly about his effing Mar A Lago chocolate cake. I said it here yesterday — the man doesn’t have an ounce of humanity.
@Esmom, whenever I remember how he talked about that “beautiful piece of chocolate cake, ” I laugh my ass off. During the Fox News interview he was so obsessed with thinking and talking about the cake, that he forgot that he had bombed Syria, not Iraq. Mmmm. Cake
Lol high quality is a trump buzzword. But I really think Jr thought people would find nothing in the exchange. His whole nonchalant tweet tells me that. Also I’m pretty sure they didn’t know it was illegal for campaigns to engage in this behavior. Because they are stupid
Manafort is an experienced campaign manager who absolutely knew accepting information from Russia was illegal. The idea that they were ignorant of law is just Trump spin.
NY state attorney general may be the one who takes down this 3rd rate crime family. TRump can’t pardon any of his odious offspring in a state case. Fingers crossed.
He further incriminated himself by telling Hannity he was expecting to get opposition research from the meeting. Taking anything of value from a foreign government is a campaign finance violation.
Julian Assange confirmed he has a direct connection to the Trumps when he humble bragged that he encouraged Jr to release the emails on Wikileaks.
The evidence for the conspiracy is building. I expect Trump to start making noise about firing Mueller.
Congress really needs to pass legislation requiring that any Special Counsel’s firing has to be approved by Congress. I bet they would have the votes to get it passed. They’ve managed to do something like that about the sanctions on Russia in response to President Tweeter trying to do it by Executive Order very soon after his inauguration. There are enough Republicans who find all this rather alarming even if they aren’t being that public about it.
Congress has NOT managed to pass the russia sanctions thing. It passed the senate (I think 98-2) but it’s stalled in the house. The White House has been pressuring house members to water down the Russia bill or just sit on it. Add this bill to the list of things people need to call their Reps about.
Thanks for bringing up wikileaks, I was just about to. That’s a big story right there, how involved Assange is in all this.
Rep. Schiff has already stated they would simply hire Mueller back should tRump attempt to dismiss him.
And if tRump did even try that, he would be openly incriminating himself.
Yep firing Mueller is a gordian knot. If he does it it automatically incriminates him. That’s why I thought Mueller was genius when he openly confirmed that orangino was under investigation. He pretty much dared those buffoons to fire him. If they do that will trigger something big.
Mueller isn’t kidding. He comes to play hard ball.
I applaud your optimism, but mark my words – nothing is going to happen. Republicans are already describing his actions as something “any dedicated loving son” would do. I am not even joking. “This is exactly the very thing we should not be distracted by,” Tillis said on Tuesday.
http://www.salon.com/2017/07/11/republicans-in-congress-dont-see-collusion-in-donald-trump-jr-s-russian-email-chain/
Yes, I’m actually very disappointed that my daughter has never met someone from a hostile foreign power to get dirt obtained by espionage to try and influence the result of democratic elections, and then lied about it. It’s what any dedicated loving daughter would do.
Clearly, your daughter is a bigly failure. Sad.
They’re going to change their tune when their constituents ask what the hell they’re doing with their health care, their taxes, their jobs . . . Republicans made a deal with the devil thinking they’d be able to pass their agenda. Once that doesn’t happen, and their jobs are in jeopardy we’re going to start seeing a lot of meetings with GOP operatives, Lindsay Graham, John McCain and Ben Sasse with Vice President Pence.
Well McCain said his kids won’t do it and he said his sons (military) would have been court martialed if they did.
Someone in government/law enforcement/newspapers should start impressing that Kushner and Manafort were there also, because it’s starting to get lost in the whole “Junior is a Massive Idiot” storyline. Revoking Kushner’s security clearance would be a great reminder.
Also Pence is not slick. His team released a statement saying how this all happened BEFORE he joined the team, so I’m gonna need the same government/law enforcement/newspapers team to find connections/proof that the annoying step-dad of the USA was aware/actively participated at some point. Gracias
The meeting was in early June, and Pence wasn’t tapped for VP until the July convention. He wasn’t the first choice, so he probably didn’t have anything to do with it at that point. Hard to say what he knew later. But he knows the laws about campaigns getting donations in money or other things of value from foreign nationals. I’m sure Manafort does also, so they can’t claim Don Jr is such a naive innocent. Kushner and Manafort not only agreed to the meeting after receiving forwards of the emails, they even readjusted their schedules when the meeting time had to be changed.
The storyline about Russian adoptions being the real purpose for the meeting has some holes in it. It’s true that freezing Russian adoptions by Americans was a response to the Magitzky law, which is a sanction on Russia and Putin did the freeze in hopes that prospective American parents would put pressure on Obama to lift it. And that lawyer has worked on that issue. But there would have been no reason for her not to say upfront that she wanted to discuss that particular problem with someone in the campaign. Trump was very open about wanting to lift sanctions.
It is far more likely that the meeting was about other illegal things that Don Jr has not revealed and that was just the cover story. Jr’s casual suggestion that Hillary was getting Russian donations to her campaign is pretty good evidence that the Trump campaign was getting such donations, since the Trumps tend to accuse others of what they themselves are doing. (As if rich Russians would donate money to get their nemesis Hillary into the White House!!!)
Pence has other problems: being head of the transition team and claiming to have known nothing about Flynn – despite multiple high profile warnings from people in the government. He lies just like the Trumps. He wants to be President once Trump is out of the way. Then we’ll have a full on Theocracy to deal with.
The adoption storyline bothers me. My instinct tells me it’s made up. They got a heads-up from NYT that the emails were coming out. Maybe the Trumps colluded with Putin to push this adoption angle. That poor Russian attorney knows she’ll end up ‘falling out of high rise window ‘ if she doesn’t go along with this story. So, all this begs my biggest question: Why in the heck did NYT give Trump and heads-up about the story? Why didn’t they just drop it like a bomb the following morning?
JWoolman: I’m glad you brought up the adoption/sanctions issue, as I was talking about this today. It’s obviously a serious issue, and I wondered why Jr was sent, or took it upon himself, to discuss this with any high-ranking official, legally or otherwise. He was not, and is not, part of the administration, so why was his beak in there? Also, he said just recently that the meeting in question lasted only ten minutes. How could anything so important be discussed in ten minutes, and especially by people who very likely haven’t got the faintest idea about the subject? At my work, a meeting to decide when to hold a meeting takes longer than that, but that could just be us… 😜 Like Senior, Junior is a prize wanker and a conniving, lying bastard. Are we seeing the beginnings of their unravelling? We can only hope.
The only good thing abut Twanker being president is the awesome music my favourite Punk bands are going to release…
Juls, the only reason I can think the NYT gave him this heads up was because they want to cover themselves in case of liability/libel issues/and show they reached out to everyone involved to show impartiality. Usually when contacted guilty parties will either ignore/say no comment, so I can’t really blame them for not seeing that Junior would be stupid enough to reveal and implicate himself on Twitter of all places.
Thank you for pointing out the adoption holes in the story JWoolman! I was confused on that one a bit.
Can one of our lawyer commenters weigh in? Would kushner’s and manafort’s emails also be requested by Mueller now?
Lawyer here, and yes, without a doubt – Mueller and his team have probably already done so.
Pence is the only member of the administration that grasps the criminality of what Jr did. He sees the writing on the wall and has begun to distance himself, in preparation for being 46.
Pence is going down too, Trump will make sure to dirty him enough to go down with him. So prepare for President Ryan. I would rather have President Pence over Ryan. Pence is weak with support from only 1 of the 3 groups (religious Right, business, independents) that form the GOP. He lacks Trump’s “Rich and famous White man privilege” which allows him to get away with anything. He lacks Ryan’s good looks and his quick thinking which again allows you to get away with B.S. before people catch on. The press likes Ryan too but are skeptical of Pence.
Yeah President Ryan is something to keep you up at night. He is smart enough to survive two presidencies while screwing over the poor and middle class.
Seeing the chain of command posted upthread was just so depressing in general. You could not have a more revolting, inept, and malicious group of people if you tried smh
Worth noting that Pence’s selection as VP was engineered by none other than Manafort. Pence’s professed state of childlike ignorance about connections between campaign staff and Russian operatives is not credible.
anyone is at loss at what it has to take to get this family out of the WH? They play mind games, tricks and clowns yet the deplorable applaud and shield this nepotistic family from any wrong doings! I have even greater respect for Obama and his family after everything that they have to put up with they always stayed diplomatic and classy. Yet 45’s daughter sit at the G20 table and it’s ok. The sons and the son-in law are so shady that it should get them kicked out but NOTHING. At this point it’s “Oh you guys are jealous I won”. This totally United Trump Kingdom: How to get rich and quick: Me and the kremlin days at the Oval office and how the plebe paid willingly for it all the while they lose their healthcare and women’s rights”.. I am just baffled. Nothing make sense. The co-founder of Home Depot is salivating at Trump and dixit “he is a genius surrounded by geniuses, at last!!”.
Only way to rile his supporters against him:
1) gun control or outright ban
2) pro choice
Yep, even if he or the family shoots a man, the deplorables will still support.
Oh, I think they are all profoundly stupid…. Good thing they are congenitally rich or else they would all be living under a bridge.
My brother keeps saying that he prays every day for President Trump to do the right thing. I keep telling him that he should pray for people around Trump to do the right thing since it’s really asking for too much of a miracle for Trump to do the right thing except accidentally…. But maybe I’m wrong, and the blabbermouthitus that seems to afflict Trump and his sons is actually the answer to my brother’s prayers. The Lord acts in mysterious ways, allegedly.
(To be clear, Brother thinks Trump is a four-year-old who is digging a tunnel to the US Mint every night.)
Too bad that praying won’t change anything. He could also just talk to himself or go to bed and sleep. If you want change you have to get up and act. DO something. Protest. Resist.
You don’t know prayer won’t help, nobody does.
I heard that people in the White House compare Trump Jr. to Fredo Corleane from the Godfather movies because of his behavior. It’s a very interesting comparison.
So did Bradley Whitford on Twitter! So true in a way, isn’t it?
It is!
Very interesting comparison….
I am so glad you explained the reference. I had heard yesterday that they were calling him Fredo, but read it as Frodo and was trying to figure out how he could resemble Frodo the Hobbit from Lord of the Rings….
Me too!
Yes, I can see how the names Frodo and Fredo could be confused. How a Hobbit trying to save Middle Earth can be compared to a man who upsets his brother, the Godfather (played expertly by Al Pacino I might add) just doesn’t make much sense, does it? Frodo was a far more noble character. (Slight LOTR fanatic here.)
Gob Bluth would be a better comparison.
Haha yeah some of the Bluth memes and GIFs on Twitter have been amazing.
Honestly, the Corleone comparison just isn’t fair. Corleone was smart, motivated, controlled, and strategic in everything he did. The only thing 45 and Corleone really have in common is the sadistic aspect to their personalities and of course, the fragile ego.
And Fredo was actually a tragic figure. The trumps are tragicomedy.
And Corleone wore some really great suits….
Ha! Except Will Arnett is so much better looking…
John Cazale an amazing actor who played Fredo was also in a relationship with Meryl Streep until his death. We know how much the Trumps love Meryl too.
Jen the Fredo.
(I hope someone, anyone, gets the reference 🙂 )
I get IT.
LMAO!
But if DJ is Fredo and Ivanka is Connie then who is Eric the Unloved? Maybe the kid they cut from the script because he was useless.
Vanity Fair calls them a family of Fredos. They all think they’re smarter than they actually are and end up doing the dumbest of things.
I love the Godfather movies (except III) so I hate seeming the Trumps associated with it, but the article did make me laugh.
With every story coming out, it is starting to look more and more like that gross dossier was more fact than fiction. I am not sure what to think about him posting those emails. Did he think they were going to exonerate him of wrong doing? Is he trying to get back at his abusive father for being an all around a–hole? If he thought it was the latter, then he deserves to be called Fredo because that has got to be one of the single dumbest thing he has ever done.
I guess he forgot that he has stated in the past that there were no connections to Russer and Dump’s campaign at all and that any news about it was fake and phony. This is a like a killer lying about killing someone and then trying to prove his innocence by showing a photo of him and his accomplices standing over the dead body.
And nothing is going to happen because that is the world we live in. The only comfort I am getting out of this is that nothing is being passed into law because of public pressure. The obstructionism is coming from Dump and his band of thieves, the public, and the GOP’s inability to lead. Saying no all the time is not leading and Mitch McConnell is getting his just desserts for being a racist trash box for 8 years. At least Obama, Nancy, and Harry Reid got some stuff done.
He stupidly thought they would exonerate him and, apparently, so does his stupid father and anyone else applauding the “transparency.” The emails contradict multiple statements he has made over the past year and several that he made just this week. He either stupidly believes or thinks the rest of the world is stupid enough to believe that by saying he didn’t get any “Clinton dirt,” he is exonerated. But that’s not the point. The issue that he either doesn’t get or doesn’t want us to get is that he had INTENT to get information from a hostile nation to use in a presidential campaign.
Not to mention it exposes them all as liars. How long have they been insisting this “Russia thing” is “fake news”?
I laughed that he, who refuses to release his tax returns, applauds transparency.
I believe he released the emails for a couple of reasons.
First, the NYT was going to do it anyway, and his lawyers would want Don Jr to beat them to the punch to show “transparency” because some idiots will fall for that, and it’s just something that lawyers do. We are taught to offer up “bad facts” first to let the steam out before the other side has their way with them. They are trying to own the narrative, not the press or the investigators.
Second, I am convinced that there are many more damaging emails, and this is a way to “drip, drip, drip” the hell out of them and lessen the blow of what else is to come.
Would that be a kind of yellow coloured drip drip drip….?
The dossier is true.
This is so damn embarrassing. And the excuse that he’s green and didn’t know any better is BS.
One bright spot: two Dems won seats in deep red Oklahoma last night. Let’s hope that keeps up for 2018. It’s the only hope we have of getting rid of these fools.
Yay! Thanks for the good news, Insomniac.
Treason? Why, it’s what any loving, high-quality son would do!
A legal expert said on CNN yesterday that treason applies only if the respective countries (in this case USA and Russia) are at war. But there must be a way to make them accountable. It’s a MUST.
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A legal expert said on CNN yesterday that treason applies only if the respective countries (in this case USA and Russia) are at war.
BUT there must be a way to make them accountable. It’s a MUST.
You can argue the hacking of the server constitutes an act of war under cyber security laws.
I heard a pundit say the other day that the US was attacked, it just wasn’t with bombs. Can you imagine the GOP making such excuses after a military attack?
I think conspiracy is a potential charge.
Conspiracy is a MUCH more likely charge that a prosecutor could actually prove. The legal definition of treason makes it very difficult to prove in this case.
I don’t even know what to say any more. I’m so sad for you guys, even sitting in the fetid swamp that constitutes the UK at the moment.
Last night, our BBC late news show Newsnight showed the all the emails one by one in full-screen captions, accompanied by the Pink Panther theme song. It sounds irreverent and bad taste but it was actually a really weird feeling watching it – can any of this even be real?
http://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/884890019671924736
Yeah there’s nor much to say anymore, is there? I still can’t believe, after sitting up all night watching the election returns in disbelief, I thought someone, anyone, around Trump or in the GOP wouldn’t stand for his nonsense.
It all really does feel unreal…especially when I read comments from the deplorables basically saying that finally someone is making America great again after 44 so thoroughly destroyed it. It simply doesn’t compute.
Emotion vote, right? Like a Leave vote in Brexit. That means people’s identities are tied up with it and people will go to any lengths to protect an identity, I’m afraid. Even when it manifestly contradicts reality.
Sunk cost fallacy at its finest.
It’s all just so mind-numbingly atrocious. I come to this blog every single day to read the comments but many times I don’t even post because 1) I don’t know what to say that I haven’t already said a million times and 2) my fellow commenters generally cover everything– every emotion, every moment of pure disbelief, every expression of disgust and sadness.
@ Esmom- Did you listen to Saturday’s “Lovett or Leavitt”? When Jeff Ross said (paraphrasing) that he wants all of these things to matter to ALL Americans–not just some of us–and that he doesn’t recognize our country anymore. Man….I just related so much to what he said.
People no longer seem to care about protecting our democratic institutions. It’s so sad because they don’t see the harm or destruction of 45’s administration and the current incarnation of the GOP, they don’t seem to grasp the permanent damage that has been caused in less that 8 months.
Will we survive Trump?
I hope so–I think so–but we will never be the same. This administration has forever altered the face of our country and we are all powerless to do anything until we get him out of Office.
It’s like watching a train go off a cliff…I think the helplessness that I feel is the worst part of all of it.
I come and find myself with nothing to say too, Kitten. ‘Orrible feeling, ain’t it?
Mr Sixer observed my reading pile a few days ago and said, “I can always tell when you’re not right with the world – you don’t read any fiction.” I scoffed at him but he just pointed at the pile. And you know what? He’s right. Nothing of what I’ve read for choice lately has been fiction. All non-fiction.
All this fuckwittery has taken stories from me. And I didn’t even notice.
(Mind sound silly but stories are my touchstone. Always have been.)
@ Sixer-YES and no, not silly at all. I usually love the daily escape that fiction provides and I adore my selection of podcasts about “human stories”, i.e. my non-political podcasts. Lately, I just haven’t been able to muster the interest in anything that isn’t about the current collapse of our country. It just seems..irresponsible to do so. The irony being that escapism and a break from all of this insanity is probably exactly what I need, yet every day I’m compelled to consume, digest and regurgitate every detail of this White House dumpster fire.
My mom keeps saying “this reminds me of 9/11 in that I can see what’s happening with my very own eyes but I can’t really, truly believe it.”
It just doesn’t seem real that this could happen in our country, yet it did.
Yes, that’s what it is. Scrabbling to understand it, analyse it, etc, but all you end up doing is picking at the scab.
An online friend of mine elsewhere keeps saying that we are in the middle of big events that will only become clear in years to come after everything has re-ordered and we can’t know how it will re-order. I think she’s probably right.
I never thought I’d see something like this Trump situation. Usually I enjoy talking to strangers in public. I’m almost always friendly and polite, so I can’t believe I’ve actually gotten in arguments with people I don’t know. Never violent, but I snap when people say pro-Trump things to me and say liberals are butthurt losers. The other day a women was saying how none of the German protesters were upset with Trump and it was just fake news. Snap. I couldn’t stop telling her how stupid and naive people like her are and how mean she was for supporting Trump, she’d regret voting for him when she needs healthcare, and I even used a few bad words. My 2nd argument about Trump while I was paying for groceries. Things shouldn’t be like this
Kitten, I did listen to it, the Pod guys are pretty much the only podcasts I listen to these days. I related to it, too, it actually took me back to my childhood when my uncle, who escaped Soviet-occupied Lithuania with my dad and their parents, would say how Americans like me had no appreciation for our democracy and/or institutions. He always made me feel like crap, no matter how much I tried to argue that he was wrong. He wasn’t wrong.
Sixer, I’m not reading much fiction these days, either, which has until this year been my number one pastime. I’ve actually had to skip two book club discussions this year so far because I was unable to read the books. My Trump-related agitation has become pretty debilitating. And I’m too ashamed to admit the real reason so I make up schedule conflicts. 🙁
@kitten, I continue to find comfort and strength in our delegation. Seth is saying “treason.” Joe has become an eloquent voice of decency and compassion, defending us all. And my girl crush on our AG Maura deepens daily. She is suing Trump on EVERYTHING! Can’t wait until she questions DesVos in court
I can’t focus on fiction anymore either. I have been listening to Pod Save America and The 45th regularly. Cable news is so frustrating because there is so much talking but so little actual information. I really enjoy listening to the thoughts of people who aren’t pundits who are actually informed on the issues.
“he wants all of these things to matter to ALL Americans–not just some of us”
YES, this a 1000 times over. I can’t wrap my head around the people who are all “‘MERICA!!!”, but then aren’t bothered by a foreign adversary launching a cyber attack on our country and a president who will sell our country to the highest bidder. Where the f*** is their patriotism now?
I used to read, no joke, 60-70 books a year. Since November 9th I have read 5. I just can’t focus on any fictional reading, my addled brain can’t take it. And I echo the sentiment that it seems irresponsible to not be focused on this national nightmare 24/7. I had other relaxing hobbies I enjoyed as well and I have not been able to focus on any of them. I am also consuming news like never before. My free time is spent on resistance activities mostly. I feel like I *have* to act daily, there’s no way I can sit back and just watch this happen without putting up a fight.
Is it wrong to say that I’m finding comfort in the fact that I am not alone?
I watch about 3 hours of TV a week, I usually read about 3-4 books a week. I picked up my first book since the election 5 days ago, and I managed a chapter. I kind of thought it would make me want to read more, but it didn’t. I’m still collecting them, but they are just piling up. I find myself online a lot these days, reading about the Trump administration instead. I’ve stopped mentioning grandchildren to my son, too. I mean I was putting messages about grandchildren in the birthday cakes I sent. (I started at 21) Just not sure anymore.
It is glaringly obvious to me that this Trump phenomenon is just a part of the struggle on a global scale between the minority of us, who have everything, and the majority in this world, who have next to nothing. I never saw so many people in such close proximity to me physically – and even geographically in these days of the intenet – and yet so far apart financially and in life opportunities, that it seems as if there is an ocean between us despite the fact that some of these people are literally sitting outside the supermarket where I shop begging for money, food, anything. More and more money and property even in the Western world is in fewer and fewer hands and the likes of Trump have their hands in the till and don’t even care to hide it anymore and it’s just not tenable.
I think we are witnessing the death struggles in the US of a vulgo-capitalist era and the rebirth of something entirely different. The tweeting, posturing and caterwauling of the Trumps and mini Trumps of this world will keep people alert and force us to think of what’s important in life and what is not and give us the strength to build something better. It is early days still and I’m sure good things will come out of this in the end. The tide will turn, it always does!
Brain- breaking cognitive dissonance… I never, ever thought this could happen… yet here we are, watching it get worse on the daily while everything tRump’s administration does simply gets brushed aside with the tRumpologists’ favorite phrase du jour, “They are new at this.”
Les Incompetents.
Yes.
I WISH they proved collusion, but they don’t. They may lean towards collusion, but all they prove is bad judgement and stupidity. This is not the smoking gun that will rid us of these a-holes. I hope I am wrong, but this would not hold up as evidence of collusion, sadly.
Adam Schiff said yesterday that the House Intelligence Committee has seen a lot more than this. And the NYT got this from someone in the White House. Mueller’s people didn’t have this.
Clare: I agree with you. The emails show bad judgment, stupidity, and a sickening lack of morals, but they don’t prove collusion. BUT … if any of the main players lie under oath (under oath is the important part) to Congress, Mueller, or any other federal investigation, then it’s perjury. Then it’s a crime. The cover-up will likely prove more harmful than the act itself.
Just because Don Jr says nothing came of it, doesn’t mean that’s true. Clearly he went to that meeting hoping to get something of value from a foreign source to help the campaign- which is illegal (money or other things of value are specified in the law). Some sources are saying that the clear intent and attempt to collude is enough to break the law, but I don’t know if that is correct. Bet Mueller does, though…
In any case, he has opened up another avenue for investigation and also most likely warrants/subpoenas/whatever to get other emails from him, Jared, and Manafort.
Also we now have evidence of a connection between the Trump campaign and Wikileaks, based on Assange’s own boasting.
I saw on twitter someone posted that not even an hour after this meeting started trump was talking about releasing info about Hillary- it was either on twitter or at a rally, but I believe trump said it both places. I’m sorry I don’t have references to back it up, but I did read it.
so like, an hour or so after baby trump met with russia fat ugly trump suddenly has info to release about Hillary. I can still see plastic trump in the background just listening to her father blather on 🙁
Here is the timeline, Archie
http://twitter.com/igorvolsky/status/884805928872235009
Thanks Jerusha 🙂
This is what bothers me. What we have proof of is they lie a lot. How do we know she had nothing and it went nowhere, from Donald Jr. who lied a lot within a 72 hour span, Jared Kushner he lied on his security form- which by the way is a crime punishable by 5yrs in prison, or the Russian lawyer who might be afraid to be punished by Putin. This was all before the leaks of Podesta emails that could have been the big stuff they had, and they found a better way to let it out like Wikileaks. At this point, I think Mueller is a good investigator, and hopefully he does find out everything. As far as what Mueller knows, we don’t know he is not talking which for a legal investigation is what he should be doing. Honestly, I know people are saying the Russians didn’t hack or actually change the votes, but honestly at this point I think we should stop saying that as fact. Reality is we don’t know. I know this is dangerous, and that would fundamentally change our system but this has too many lies and we should not just assume.
Collusion isn’t a crime, but it is politically radioactive for the midterms.
Conspiracy is a crime and, thanks to Don Jr’s reccomendation that they drop whatever news they have in late summer and Assange’s admission he has a direct line to the Trumps, it is looking more and more like they conspired with Russia to disrupt the election.
@Megan we have already seen that the Trump’s are basically teflon when it comes to political scandals. I can HOPE that this will be politically radioactive and decimate the GOP come midterms, but given what we have seen from the electorate thus far (electing a guy who literally assaulted a reporter ON CAMERA)…I mean…hope but…
@Clare It will be interesting to see how this plays out in swing districts. Republicans can’t piss off the deplorables by running against Trump, but it will be hard to pick up swing votes if they don’t.
@Clare,
Technically it was on audio, not on camera, but I completely understand your point. And I am still shocked that Gianforte won after that.
Megan, you are 100% correct. Collusion is important because it could lead to impeachment (political solution, not a criminal solution). Conspiracy is a criminal charge, and these DO show conspiracy. (Criminal charges obviously could also lead to impeachment as well).
The big things about conspiracy is that it doesn’t have to be fruitful. You just have to attempt to conspire, which these emails clearly show. And they included high ranking campaign staff on the cc of the email, so it links the campaign very clearly.
I am trying to be patient, but I think this just gives Mueller more ammunition. I think delaying the release of the investigation gives them more time to get the ducks in a row, but it will also have a bigger impact on midterms if the investigation concludes closer to midterms.
President Cheto’s tweet storm this morning calling his son a “victim”!!!!! There are no words 😟
It’s the worst witch hunt ever apparently. Let’s hope they end up burned at the stake.
I’d love to be throwing a “He’s Going to Jail” party, but the fact remains that nothing is going to come of this for the conceivable future.
I predict that the the GOP will do nothing except issue a lot of stern sound bytes about this being “disturbing” and “worrying” and McCain and Graham will make the rounds pretending to take a tough stance and then falling in line later. And the Democratic leadership will be silent and do little except assume again that this will pretty much solve their problem so they don’t have to put any effort in to bringing voters to their side. And that will probably fail again.
There’s literally no reason that Jr. shouldn’t be on his way to jail right now except that 45 and the GOP still hold all the cards, so it is a bit premature to say that this is the beginning of the end. Mueller may be sitting quietly in the background taking notes, but sooner or later 45 is going to remember he’s there and can his ass just in case. He’s not going to care how it looks because he doesn’t have to.
The voters are the ones that are going to have to bring the change about. We can’t hope Washington does it for us.
I’m going to have business cards printed and my official title will now be “high-quality person”.
And while I believe nothing will come of this, I did read an interesting point on Twitter yesterday. In six months, look what we have learned. Imagine what else we could find out in another six months.
I would love to know who is leaking this info and what their agenda is.
Maybe Putin doesn’t like what he paid for?
IMO Putin underestimated US patriotism and the intelligence and drive of those who ARE patriots.
I wondered the same thing. He hasn’t achieved what he wanted and the money is still blocked. He could have decided to go with another plan and take Tangerine down so they can readjust to another administration.
@magnoliarose-don’t you think he is partly getting what he wants though in that our country is in disarray and divided over this?
And this info came from a White House leak.
Also, I read on Twitter yesterday that back in the 80s, Trump & Ivana gave a tour of their place in Trump Tower and he used the praise “high-quality” to describe the gold toilets.
@Jenns I think it is pretty obvious that Kushner is the leaker. I also think the timing of the leak is incredibly suspicious. Putin meets with Trump, says Trump accepted his denials that he interfered with the election, and a few days later Trump is exposed as a chump.
But these e-mails also put a negative spotlight on Kushner since it proves that he had another meeting with Russian officials that he failed to disclose. It’s also keeping this Russia scandal alive, which everyone in that administration wants to go away.
If Kushner is the leaker, I want to know what his motivation is.
Kushner disclosed this meeting in his revised clearance forms. The lawyer and Don Jr both said Kushner left the meeting after a few minutes, implying he did not hear whatever she had to say, and I suspect Kushner is one of Putin’s puppets. Putin isn’t on Trump’s side, Putin is using him to disrupt western democracy. Humiliating him while he’s taking a G20 victory lap is a big win for Putin.
@megan
I saw something on Twitter that made me curious. Someone mentioned that now, Kushner’s best interests differ from Trump’s. They all have their own lawyers. Whoever flips first gets immunity. Jared lied on his S86 security clearance form. If it comes to choosing sides who will Ivanka side with? I’m betting Trump’s.
@Mermaid I think Ivanka will chose sides based on how well she can protect herself. Saying she “stays out of politics” is ground work for her defense.
Re Barbie — Would not surprise me if she starts distancing herself from both Daddy and Dead Eyes, and “rebrands” herself. And shops for a new husband, once hers is in deeper waters.
Yeah, and the “revised clearance forms” – just wow. (Not directed @Megan – just reminded me that they used that as a talking point and need to rant about it.)
That is NOT how the SF-86 works. At all. This is not the DMV. The fact that they used the “oh, we just revised them now that we got caught lying” – the general public may not appreciate just how far from reality that is, but anyone with a passing familiarity with the SF-86…you don’t get do-overs.
Jared Sexton is the NYT reporter who was chasing this story. His tweets about DeeJay’s spill are hilarious.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/journalist-worked-on-story-for-year-trump-jr-tweeted-it-out
My mother voted for Trump because she rabidly hated Hilary and Obama.
Today when I was snickering to myself about the dumbass Jr. Trump she said she was so depressed about the Trump administration everything is hopeless and she was never going to bother to vote again. (Yay if she is voting for stupid asses like Trump :p )
So I’m wondering if a lot of the people that voted for Trump are starting to feel that way.
She is a typical, hard right Christian Republican. Total birther, Obama could be the Antichrist, Hilary is evil and emails, Trump was awesome because he is a government outsider type of voter.
I’m hoping in 2018 a whole lot of disillusioned repugs won’t be voting
So sick of that outsider crap. The next time your mother needs a pap smear, take her to Jiffylube to get it. I have a sister like that-says Faux is the only place to hear the truth.😡😡😡😡
Yep, don’t go to the dentist, get your fillings done by an auto repair workshop, outsiders, yay.
That’s some serious confirmation bias.
If anything most Trump voters I see online are digging in even harder with their support. I guess we can hope that they’re not truly representative of all voters but I’m not holding my breath for any collective realization of their terrible mistake.
It brings it home to me how totalitarian regimes manage to construct an alternate reality and millions believe them. Frightening how little facts mean. The emails are there.
I see this too. We have dear friends who are extremely Catholic-abortion is their main issue. They hated Clinton-so there was only one choice-even though they didn’t like him at all. I noticed on FB that my friend liked a post on a right wing site that showed Hannity defending Don. They drink the KoolAid of Fox News and don’t even look at things rationally. It makes me crazy-I’m a moderate who voted for Romney-and Trump is the worst thing that has ever happened to this country. It makes me crazy that people are sheep! If Clinton had done 1/8 of what Trump and his family have done-they’d be at the WH with pitchforks led by those a-holes at Fox News. And yes-they completely dig in their heels. It’s mind boggling and infuriating.
In my red area, the biggest topics are abortion & owning weapons. Who cares about jobs, taking care of kids/elderly/poor (sarcasm). They seem to think the Dems are un-Christian, which I cannot understand. Most of their grandparents or great-grandparents were likely Dems, because of FDR and how destitute our region was before his programs took root.
I feel horrible, but that makes me happy and gives me hope!
I think more of them than we think are just silently disillusioned. A few of my relatives have finally thrown in the towel. It is funny what finally does it for some people. One was finally upset because Spicer had taken so much abuse and they can’t stand his replacement. I know its stupid but I’ll take it. Whatever it takes to peel them away. One thought he looked like a loser at G20 and the Australian report was the shove that pushed him over.
After awhile it is hard for some of the people who supported him after their first choice lost to keep going with him when these stories won’t let up. They aren’t the type of people to go online and argue politics.
I hope this becomes a trend.
I’m hoping Mueller isolates Jr from Jared and Manafort and especially Emperor Zero by having NYAG Schniederman indicting Jr on state charges related to this case.
Why?
State charges aren’t pardonable by a president, so-called or not.
Either way Mueller now has a trump card to use as bait on all the other felons, including Flipper Flynn, Manafort, Jared, and Donnie Two Scoops.
Go Team Murderer’s Row!
Why New York and not Washington, Eric? Wouldn’t he be charged in the state he is living in?
I don’t know but maybe because the meeting took place in New York?
Washington DC is technically not a state. It exists as a quasi-independent entity, ostensibly to keep surrounding states from interfering in its affairs. The way it is governed/funded is a giant ball of red tape and jurisdictional confusion.
It’s the only city in the US where its local judges are appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate, but those judges only handle the more minor issues. Felonies and such are prosecuted by the US Attorney for the District of Columbia, which is a federal position, also appointed by the president. Didn’t Trump fire all serving US Attorneys when he first came to office? Have any of them been replaced?
The crimes took place in New York and they are residents of New York. Trump wasn’t in office at that time.
And daddy couldn’t pardon him in NY.
Remember how cocky they all were, as they ran a seemingly impossible campaign and then won? I remember reports of people being slipped in the Tower’s back entrances, while the cattle call of lobby visitors was going on. Bring it on, New York!
Jr is living in New York.
Someone calling their son “and high quality person ” sounds a little bizarre. Will daddy give Jr 2 scoops of ice cream with his beautiful chocolate cake for being of such high quality and so transparent?
Maybe he’ll gold plate him. That signifies quality to trump.
I’m binge watching GOT having given it a pass the first time around. I saw Viserys get his golden crown last night. Looked painful, but hey he got what he wanted and what he deserved. It’s my understanding that won’t happen often in this show.
Pusillanimous Graham and Cruz weigh in.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/lindsey-graham-emails-from-donald-trump-jr-are-disturbing/article/2628271
God, their reaction is so tragically predictable. It’s “disturbing” but since no one in the red states is questioning it, there’s no point in getting all upset about it.
This is exactly why I’m not getting all excited about it – they’re not going to do anything about it except possibly have a hearing in which they soft ball questions to him that ultimately comes to nothing.
They will all go along with their weak tea denouncements until Mueller rolls out what he has and heads begin to roll. Then you will see the rats metaphorically leaving the sinking ship of the toppling administration.
NotSoSocialButterfly, I am thinking (and hoping) that is what will happen.
all that money and no one thought to don jr a chin
Rats don’t have chins
Neither do slimy snakes
Lawyers are known to be professional liars ,and Trumps lawyers are extra sneaky. Trumps lawyer, Jay Sekulow is talking nonsense on CNN faster than Kellyann does. His smirk and excuses make me want to puke
You mean the guy who accidentally, publicly admitted tRump’s garbage then immediately angrily denied he said it ? That buffoon? Ha!
http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/18/politics/jay-sekulow-donald-trump/index.html
Actually, lawyers cannot knowingly lie. That would be professional misconduct and subject to discipline including disbarment.
Some lawyers, the minority in numbers but often the most visible, choose not to investigate the version of facts their clients give them and base their position on that version. A lawyer is an advocate and every person is entitled to a defence within the bounds of the law and ethics. Lawyers are the representative of the client, so it’s not the lawyer’s lies, it is the client’s lies. so regardless of who the lawyer is, these are all still Trump lies.
Can anyone with knowledge of the US system help with this question: is there any way to stop them from talking publicly about sensitive issues? Authorities start an investigation and put a cap on reporting and declarations? The House of Drumpf only spin things into their advantage. Having a huge amount of information available would make it very difficult to process and eventually bring a case to the congress or on trial.
I changed my mind. Let the talk more and “shoot” themselves in their feet.
Unless it’s classified information, I don’t think anybody can be prevented from speaking about it. A judge can impose gag rules on individuals involved in a case but I don’t think that would apply here. There is no court case at the moment.
I cannot stand to watch Don Jr and Ivanka speak with their big horse teeth veneers that are too big for their little mouths. Neither of them can close their mouths properly because their huge veneers! Looks so awful!
A Trump trait. Tiny as a butthole mouths full of YUGE horse teeth
I read someone’s comment yesterday , can’t remember where, saying jr’s overbite is so large he can eat corn 🌽 over a picket fence, 😂.
😫🤣😂😂🤣Just spit out out pieces of drumstick ice cream cone im currently indulging in.
👏🏼😂👏🏼😂👏🏼😂👏🏼
HAHAHA! Love it.
He used to have teeny little baby teeth. I have no idea what is worse. Piano key teeth or toddler teeth. His make up job in the video is strange. He has been contoured more than Kim Kardashian and his skin is khaki colored.
I’m certain that only a horrific war or economic collapse will deter Trump’s supporters.
I read someone’s comment saying, “my 401k is way up, that’s all I care about”. They don’t care if the Russians take over, if the country is run by the 45 mafia family, it’s all about a few thousands dollars. They are willing to sell the country to Russia, and the mob, go figure.
Kitten, I’m not certain that would even do it. I imagine they’d still blame Obama and/or Hillary. As you said upthread, it feels pretty hopeless.
This is what my husband says. But trump voters are so profoundly stupid, I wonder if they won’t just blame Obama somehow. Even if they were dying of hunger because society collapsed, would they be able to put 2+2 together?
They would tell you 2+2 = 5 with a straight face.
Yes Angela, and report you to the Thought Police if you insist the answer is 4
Don Jr is stupid as he is ugly. Just like dear ol dad. He needs to call up Ivanka’s plastic surgeon pronto, the one who made Ivanka’s looks go from “cabbage patch kid” to “bimbo Barbie”
On a different note, the only pics of contact between these sons and good old dad seem to be ones where the sons are slapping his back or similar. Any parallel to the Ivanka on daddy’s lap ones?
Apparently no pics of the contact between senior’s hand and junior’s face when he knocked him silly for not wearing a suit. So far no softcore incest pics have surfaced.
I knew he was a POS when him and his deplorable brother took pictures of them with cheetahs… that they shot and killed…. for fun.
Cheetahs, elephants, crocodiles …:
I also saw a pic of him proudly standing over a dead elephant, holding the sawn off elephant’s tail. It made me want to cry. A beautiful, majestic elephant, and this POS was proud of killing it.
I’ve posted this before, but it bears reposting for those who missed it. Shows clearly the moral decay of these scumbags.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/7/20/1550051/-Calling-all-animal-lovers-Trump-s-sons-are-proud-murderers-of-endangered-species
Those pictures make me tear up. What kind of horrible person does that to beautiful animals?
People on the level of the trumps do.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4040272/Donald-Trump-throwing-fundraiser-sons-donors-shooting-Donald-s-sons.html
They are horrible people. If any two people deserved to get gored at the Running of the Bulls it is these two cretins. I hate them.
the impeqchment needs to happen NOW. if this was chelsea clinton, she would have her a*s handed to her by the GOP. but since its baby fist jr, nothings going to happen. i read celeb*tchy every day and now im starting to get scared to see what the orange maniac has done. to the people that voted for this nut job, SHAME ON YOU!! *wags finger*
This family really is a bunch of inbreds. Take away the money (they inherited) their positions ( which they bullied themselves into) and their fame (derived from bullying for money on tv) and they’ve got jack shit. No character, no education, no intelligence, no standards, no common sense, no integrity, no self awareness. What have they got?
CABLE!
Inbreds.
I forgot the prez has the authority to pardon-what why they all act so brazen and immortal. Because they know Daddy will just pardon them
I can’t believe that people are taking at face value Don Jr’s story that nothing came of that meeting. He has been lying his ass off all this time already so of course he’s gonna say that…until something else comes out and he changes his story yet again. Who wants to bet me that Natalia V had a briefcase loaded with surveillance equipment and there’s an incriminating tape of what really went down in that meeting.
Jared Kushner is the one in danger now not don-the-con jr. Jared lied on his Form 86 when he got his security clearance.
Sometimes I wish Hillary would run again but as an independent. Plot twist is that she would copy DT’s speech, lofty plans and ramblings word for word just to make fun of the deplorables, Republicans and Fox ‘News’. And then if anyone of them stupidly challenges her, just respond: but you still elected Donald! Also, Bill would give a speech copying Melania’s copied speech.
Trolling at a master level…haha
He can’t say there was no collusion because they ended up not giving me any useful information. That’s not how that works. Im not a lawyer but even if he ended up without info I’m pretty sure attempting to conspire with a foreign government is also a crime, like spies or those people who plan an attack and get caught before they’re able to carry it out.
People keep saying “there were no meetings!” And then “oh those meetings! I forgot!” And then “oh I didn’t think they counted and nothing happened anyway soo…” And now it’s like “well yea I was going to get help but it ended up not being help, and I didn’t know it was wrong, if it was wrong I totally didn’t do it!”
If I ever break into a jewelry store but can’t find anything I like, I’m going to use that defense.
2 observations: Jr.’s hands are small like his father’s. Melania’s face seems to be shrinking. These shameless grifters.
Started the video the stopped it. These cable tv hosts are loud, pompous, obnoxious blowhards who adore themselves. How can anyone stand to listen to them?
I noticed Charlie Rose has toned down the self important-talking-over-his-guests a bit. I almost gave up on his PBS show, but his guests are wonderful. And someone must have told him to shut up when some one is talking.
Maybe I’m just nasty, but it makes me smile to think how this spoiled, pasty-faced, weak-chinned idiot wouldn’t last five minutes in prison.
He might be very popular, IYKWIM.😉😉😉
I was reading along this morning and some of the responses just killed me. For instance, and I’m just wondering….do you really think Bernie will be President if you get Trump out? Do you think there will be a redo? What do you think will happen?
VP Mike Pence is next in line. He agrees with all of Trumps plans PLUS wants to stop all gay marriage and Planned Parenthood.
Next in line: Paul Ryan. I assume you have “met him”. It’s a step over both the P and the VP.
Then you get Hatch and Tillerson, and after a few people Mad Dog Mattis is Pres.
What is the end game here? What do you plan to accomplish?
No. Nobody thinks Bernie will be president if Trump is removed.
I would have thought bringing out of the shadows the trump gang’s collusion with Russia was the key thing. What happens after that, happens. But these machinations and lies need to be exposed.
This is the way we should have been feeling on 9 November 2016. ✨ Jubilant ✨ Ecstatic ✨ I AM AN AMERICAN CITIZEN ✨ a Sunday School card-carrying Girl Scout who says “Ma’am” and “Sir” and “Yes, I can!” who bawled like a baby when Dr. Martin Luther King first shared his dream with a heart so pure it could bust …
The only person who might possibly be any happier than I am right now is poor Erik.
He’s a piece of sh*t. Plain and simple.
You can see in videos and conversations that Trump and his kids seem far more comfortable with the Russians than Americans, not just the society but how it’s being run by Putin, who can stash millions and rule with an iron fist and propaganda. Russia has been busy compromising and stroking Trump’s ego for quite some time now and likely financing his dreams of getting even richer. It’s a sad day for America that he has even a single supporter.
Stupidity, arrogance and corruption — the Trump family values
You forgot greed, Julia.
I am hoping Trump will get sick of all this and just resign. Nobody ever thought Nixon would resign, but he did. And what enticed him to resign “for the good of the country” was actually the promise of a pardon from Vice President Gerald Ford.
Ford had only been Vice President for a few months at the time of Nixon’s resignation. He was appointed by Nixon and approved by Congress after Spiro Agnew resigned. (It turned out Agnew was about to be indicted for accepting bribes as both Governor of Maryland and as Vice President)
There was a LOT of outrage about the pardon and almost 3 years later Ford lost his bid for the presidency.
Oh, and Ford nominated Nelson Rockefeller as his Vice President. So at that point we had both president and vice president neither of whom was elected.
Of COURSE the investigators have lots and lots more than what we have seen. They are going to be digging deep into the finances of all of the Trumps – which is surely something none of them want. So Trump who refused to release his tax returns will be having his bank accounts subpoenaed.
The investigators and federal prosecutors will not hurry. They will follow the money because that is what they do. They will dig and dig and dig. And if while looking for Russia connections they happen to stumble upon some other crime – well, they just send their info on over to whatever department handles that type of crime. Department of Justice, Internal Revenue Service.
Oh, yes, there could very well be a time that Trump chooses to voluntarily resign. For the good of the country, of course.
Hold on, folks. This is just starting to get good.