Prince Harry took Meghan Markle to Victoria Falls for a helicopter tour

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Prince Harry and Meghan Markle have been on vacation for more than three weeks now. They arrived in Botswana on August 4, and they spent the bulk of those three weeks in Botswana, hanging out with his posh friends and going on safari, which may or may not have included a bout of glamping. But Harry didn’t want to simply show Meghan his favorite parts of Botswana. He also took her to Zambia, apparently. They went to see Victoria Falls, often described as one of the wonders of the world, and a UNESCO World Heritage Site.

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle are ending the summer holiday on a high note. E! News has learned the royal family member and his leading lady headed to Livingstone in Zambia Thursday evening to continue their vacation. They traveled across the Kazungula border from Botswana and will be staying in the area for a few days.

According to a source, Prince Harry “has one more romantic surprise arranged for Meghan.” If all goes as planned, the Suits star will enjoy a visit to Victoria Falls.

“VIPs love to take helicopter tours of the falls,” a local source shared with The Mirror. “It’s one thing to experience them at ground level, but high up is where you really get to see how spectacular the view is and just how enormous it is.”

[From E! News]

A lot of people seem to think waterfalls are romantic. I think if it’s a small, private-ish waterfall, sure, that’s romantic. But Victoria Falls is one of the most popular tourist destinations on the African continent. And a helicopter tour of a waterfall sounds nice, but not necessarily romantic. I’m just saying… I’m not expecting to hear a story about how Harry proposed to Meghan at Victoria Falls. It would be like proposing to her in the middle of a wind tunnel, or in the middle of Busch Gardens. If he proposed to her, he did it when they were in Botswana. That’s my take!

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  1. Suze says:

    I am with you, Kaiser. Big , touristy waterfalls are the antethesis of romantic. I never understood why Niagara Falls was such a honeymoon destination back in the day.

    Why are we getting so many dispatches from this trip? Doesn’t Harry usually slip off to Africa for weeks at a time to do his charity work with nary a peep from the press?

    • Sixer says:

      I don’t really understand why any of these public proposals – at restaurants, at tourist hot spots, sky-bloody-writing FFS – are seen as romantic. I think I’m just an irredeemable misanthrope!

      • frisbee says:

        Or you just have a Shakespearean soul,
        http://www.shakespeare-online.com/sonnets/130.html
        Now that’s what I call romance!

      • Suze says:

        Oh, they’re horrible! Should be banned as far as I am concerned.

        Although it would amuse me to see a Harry proposal on the Jumbotron at Wembley. Maybe that’s what they mean by modernizing the monarchy.

      • Sixer says:

        Oh, frisbee. You made me laugh. That’s like me and Mr Sixer calling each other Fatterbellygutbucket and Great Gob Almighty, which I am afraid we do!

        Suze, I think Harry has missed his public proposal moment. He could have bonged it out in time with Big Ben as the parliamentary lobby bowed their heads. Too late now, unless he wants to wait four years.

      • Bettyrose says:

        Sixer, I’ll go one level up on proposal grinch. I don’t get them at all. Marriage is a discussion not a one sided invitation.

      • Sixer says:

        Actually, Bettyrose, you’re completely right. 100%.

      • BTownGirl says:

        Omg I thought it was just me!! 😂😂😂. I’m a huge Patriots fan and thus was afraid I’d be proposed to on the Jumbotron *shudder*. Thank GOD Mr. BTown did no such thing hahahahaha!!

      • FuefinaWG says:

        Years ago I worked in retail at a small specialty store for travel.
        One day, just before Christmas with customers all over the store, a guy comes in to see his girlfriend. She was almost done with the customer and went to walk across the way to ring them up. The next thing we know we see her boyfriend and she says, “I’m almost done and we can go.” Not 5 seconds later her BF is on bended knee with a ring and I was all “WTF? This, THIS! is what you want to remember? A crowded store with no romantic value whatsoever and just because your BF had just picked up the ring and couldn’t contain himself?” Well, she did say yes and after they left we were all shaking our heads in shock and laughing.

    • Aang says:

      My sister in law was proposed to by her 2nd husband in a helicopter over Niagara Falls. 🙄 So romantic, right? She is closing in on husband #4 now.

      • still_sarah says:

        This type of helicopter proposal was discussed in an episode of the tv show “Castle”. Stana Katic (Kate Beckett) replied “Yeah, how romantic. Just you, your beloved and pilot Bob”.

        Personally I wouldn’t want to share the moment with a room full of strangers either.

      • magnoliarose says:

        Oh my! Lol It is tired and unoriginal.

    • Ivy says:

      Niagara Falls look like a glorified shower compared to Victoria Falls. But Zimbabwe is where you should see it.

    • Mel says:

      @Suze:
      falling water can have a powerful effect on the nervous system (that, some have speculated, may be why so many people like to sing in the shower). And danger (even if it’s just an irrational perception) is a well-known aphrodisiac. Eros/Thanatos and all that.
      In the case of huge waterfalls as honeymoon destinations, there is also the little matter of the noise drowning out any other voices, including loud expressions of affection in the bedroom, and so on. :)

  2. Beth says:

    I’ve been on a helicopter tour, and I didn’t find it very romantic. It was loud, uncomfortable, and thought seeing everything while we were walking much more romantic

  3. SoulSPA says:

    So many stories and speculation. Is it really possible that there are no pictures of them bar the ones from Jamaica and the airport? They’ve been together for months, reportedly she’s spent a lot of time in London, and they’ve been on a few holidays, yet just a handful of pics with them together. And the info that gets out is mainly from the US media. What I think is that the BRF have put a blanket ban on the press at least in the UK. With so much interest on them, there is too little real information out there, especially too few pictures.
    ETA: the BRF want to hide the fact that Harry the Innocent is spending his time and taxpayer’s money on romancing Meghan and continuing living his high ueber privileged life with ZERO accountability. Disgusting.

    • frisbee says:

      That all the ‘info’ (speculation?) is coming from the US media makes me think it’s coming from her side BUT (before we all get excited and start weighing in) it’s probably done with his agreement. By doing it via the US they get to publicise this relationship whilst at the same time he can borrow Normal Bill’s lead and stick it to the British media by not giving out any information that they want and he clearly doesn’t want them to have. ETA either that or it’s all just bollocky speculation to sell copy.
      ETA: yes it is disgusting.

      • nessa nessa says:

        The info & speculation came 1st from a local Zambia paper. The Mirror, Express & dailymail reported on this before any US publications. But keep on with your assessment.

      • frisbee says:

        Yes thank you as this is a gossip site I think I will, have a nice day!

    • Sharon Lea says:

      Yeah, a 3 week vacation is incredibly long, from my American point of view. Would be nice to hear a leak explain Harry used his personal money for the trip and paid for his personal protection as well.

      • Imqrious2 says:

        What else would the taxpayer pay for? Doesn’t he get the BPO no matter where he is? I thought all airfare, hotels, etc., unless on official business, was always on their own dime (unless “borrowed” from a friend). Am I wrong?

      • SoulSPA says:

        @Imqrious2 – in my understanding, all expenses relating to royal protection officers whether royals’ private activities or public functions are paid from the public purse: salaries, training, overtime, medical insurance, transportation, accommodation, meals, work equipment including maintenance/repairs, possibly per diem payments for going abroad.

        IIRC royal protection officers also travel abroad prior to the arrival of the spoiled br*ts for security assessments and security arrangements including verification of premises and liaison with the security authorities of the country they travel to. Whereas the host governments pay the bulk of the expenses for official visits of the BFR, the biggest part of expenses for private travel is paid for by the British public. Possibly in the tens of millions per year.

        Whatever perks Bills or Harry have courtesy of their rich friends (top accommodation, food and drinks and private security on private premises) is another issue. They do benefit in a way or another from the royal connection.

        The BIG issue is the amount of funds paid for in terms of protection of the royals. I am referring now at the Innocent and the Ordinary. And in the case of Sparkle, the value of the protection she, as a girlfriend of Harry, receives by her unofficial connection to him as she is not his spouse.

        The Innocent and the Ordinary do not represent, in any way, any value for money for Britain. IMHO, only value for entertainment by virtue of their lack of ethic.

      • Imqrious2 says:

        Thank you, SoulSPA, I had no idea 👍🏻😊

      • Liberty says:

        Part of me is amazed: how, three weeks…. but part of me thinks during this insane August build-up to the anniversary of his mother’s death, maybe three weeks out and away is also a little therapeutic. The press is over the top.

        That said, I have “civilian friends” who spend a month off in July or August in Italy or the Hamptons, so who knows. They work hard in stressful jobs the rest of the year, though.

      • Royalsparkle says:

        Why should Prince Harry pay considering Willnot kannot carol and entire middletos
        Hangers on and partners enjoy KP PR to Taxpayers Duchy funding – staff- RPI protection from berkshire to pips boomf middleton hen partying.

    • BeamMeUpScottie says:

      I hadnt noticed about US media.
      Anything worth noticing come from The Sun, Daily Express which are UK media.
      The Victoria Falls story came from a local newspper and was then picked up by international media

      • SoulSPA says:

        British media make their own research and stories with some glimpse of truth. Most articles are descriptive or critical on the respective personas of Innocent and Sparkle, with little or no facts (because they are not available). Speculations at most. I only remember one factual story, with pictures included: Sparkle being walked through the airport to the gate by a management member of Heathrow airport. Most “facts” with almost no pictures come from the American media: holidays to whatever glorious part of the world. And the stories are picked up by the British. Sparkle even closed down her blog to keep away from giving more issues for discussion. The romance is pretty serious and on their own terms respect of the relation to the press and the public that is actually served by the press. So two fingers – not only to the media, but the British public that has the biggest vested interest.

    • Kate says:

      A large proportion of his money was inherited from his mother who inherited in from the Spencer family, not from taxpayers.

      • bluhare says:

        No, the bulk of Diana’s estate was from her divorce settlement, not her family. Her brother got almost all of that.

      • LAK says:

        What bluhare said. Her will is online. She died with an estate worth £21M of which £17M was her divorce settlement. William and Harry received £10M each on their 30th birthday which was the value of the estate.

        Aristo families in Britain do jnot divide up the wealth between siblings. All of it is entailed to the eldest son and if no sons to the nearest male relative. Title AND money. The daughters (and widows or divorces) are left with only what the deceased chooses to leave them and usually it isn’t much.

        The Spencer Estate is worth over £100M which tells you how little was left to the daughters in comparison to Diana’s wealth excluding her divorce settlement. Most of that money came from a trust her maternal grandmother had left her.

      • still_sarah says:

        @ Bluhare : I remember reading that Diana’s father specifically left a large chunk of money (millions maybe) to Harry as he knew most of the royal money would go to William and would leave Harry out.

      • bluhare says:

        That was a very nice gesture if he did it, sarah. Wonder if he left anything to the children of Diana’s sisters.

      • suze says:

        Yeah, I am kind of doubting the Harry bequest (that it happened, not that you read it). It would be very odd that he would single out Harry that way since when he died he had seven grandchildren other than William. If he singled out Harry, who, let’s face it, it would seem he would have made a bequest to the others, too.

    • “Lather” and “Lather” 2 listen to their worshipful fans, the “White Rabbits” and thus have no conception of how they are perceived by others. Jefferson Airplane was prescient in their lyrics and music.

  4. Louise says:

    Meanwhile back in the real world. I wonder what other jobs apart from being Prince where you can take over three weeks worth of vacation days in one hit. Lets hope Harry keeps his trap shut about Princely sh**e now on.

    • SoulSPA says:

      In some EU countries you get around 20-30 work days holidays per year. And legally you can take them in one go but normally there is negotiation with other people in the office. Some people would prefer to split the total number of days in two or three holidays/time off. Also in some EU countries, certain industries have fixed holidays in the summer for example factories. It’s easier and cheaper for them to close the business for a month in terms of resource management.
      Harry is on holiday almost every day. Manages to throw in a few weeks a year to improve his image and deflect attention from his lack of work. He is very well spoken and sets fort worthy causes. But there is too much discrepancy from talking to doing. I don’t have any respect for him whatsoever, not that anyone would care. I do not have any respect for him.

      • Louise says:

        Hello, yes, you get about 25 days on average in the UK but noone ever really takes more than 10 (two weeks) in one hit and then its massive negotiation in the office, especially if people have kids because obviously they want the school holidays off. If he wants August “off” (from what?) he can. there’s no “I need to check with my manager/HR”. Even then, you are never truly off because you check your emails. Its an utter joke. I used to like him but lately – nah he is just the same.

        Not one of the dimwits in the Royal Family have ever managed to say “stuff this, I will work in the City”. We dont “need” all of them. Imagine if one of them had got a a job in Goldman Sachs or another bank or was a high flyer. No, they are all too thick. Harry did coloring in and maps for his A’levels and there was a furore about those remember.

        I wish the lot of them would just go away. I blame the Queen, too. She should have put a tighter rein on them. Also, its obvious they can’t stand Charles and he throws money at them trying to make them tolerate him. I wouldn’t be surprised if they barely see him.

      • Maria says:

        In Canada, when you start working, you get ten days a year. Anything over that is
        Vacation without pay. This guy gets paid no matter what. Really how is he and William for that matter expected to grow up? You have to have responsibility to grow up. I think, and Diana really grew up by working a lot.
        Having said that, I really hope the summer of Diana ends on Aug. 31. I mean it’s not not to go on all year, is it? I can’t take much more of it . One documentary was 5 hours long. Unbelievable.

      • Sixer says:

        “Harry did coloring in and maps for his A levels”

        Teehee. Made me laugh, Louise.

        Mr Sixer gets 32 days – 8 of which are public holidays, 3 of which must be taken between Christmas and New Year cos company shutdown, and only 10 of the remaining 21 can be taken in August. He could take 15 days in one go in any other month though.

      • Sharon Lea says:

        Louise, remember when Beatrice took that job in an investment firm in NY after taking ‘a course’ in San Fran? She didn’t last long, like you say, those in Finance work long hours.

      • Bettyrose says:

        In any country, is there really still such a thing as a disconnected vacation where you’re not expected to at least somewhat keep an eye on your work email?

      • Imqrious2 says:

        @Bettyrose, even as a third grade teacher I’d get emails from parents ON A SATURDAY NIGHT! And I’d be expected to answer it in 24hrs OR LESS…or I’d hear about it, loudly, on Monday morning! It’d really gotten unbearable.

      • Mel says:

        @Imqrious2:

        turn on your “leave of absence” autoreply – stating your working hours and when a reply to any work-related message that comes in after hours can be expected – the minute your working hours are over.
        You’ll be doing a favour to yourself, to all of your colleagues worldwide, AND, eventually, to the pupils. It’s about RESPECT (of teachers themselves and of their work), which seems to be running low lately

      • Megan says:

        @Bettyrose I own a company and when I went to Iran for two weeks I brought a burner phone (due to hacking risks) and completely unplugged. I can happen, but you have to be willing to give up control during your time off.

    • frisbee says:

      I really don’t think that’s going to happen. Both he and William grew up with the ‘Two Poor Princes’ narrative, like a modern day Princes in the Tower https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princes_in_the_Tower (for any none Brit’s who might be interested) done down by forces beyond their control (the press) and as they’ve got older they have started to rely on that for goodwill. He appears to have believed it would go on forever – hence the ‘poor Prince’ interview – and unfortunately he was wrong. Both he and William are grown men, they need to stop relying on Diana’s memory for sympathy.
      Also for anybody interested this is Hilary Mantel’s take on Diana,
      https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/aug/26/the-princess-myth-hilary-mantel-on-diana
      it’s an interesting read if you’ve got ten minutes to spare. ETA: and can be bothered after the recent anniversary overkill.

      • Heidi says:

        Sadly, I have to agree. Unfortunately, neither of her sons have Diana’s empathy for other people’s suffering. I think she would be pretty disappointed, especially by William and his choice of a wife. But after their mother’s death, they were always under the influence of the Windsors, so what did we expect?

        I guess our last hope – and their last chance – is a biracial American actress now. They had better improve on their performances BEFORE the country is being hit by the full consequences of Brexit.

      • LAK says:

        My friend sent me this one written for 10yrs dead anniversary.
        http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/06/25/the-naked-and-the-dead

        Also this from the NYpost in this summer of diana: http://nypost.com/2017/06/26/how-diana-carefully-crafted-her-image-as-the-peoples-princess/

      • SoulSPA says:

        @Heidi – I totally agree. But what baffles me is that they talk SO MUCH about Diana’s love for people and charity and so on and so forth. And how they want her to be proud of them and to pay respect to her legacy. BOTH OF THEM!! Have seen interviews with them where they said that. Always, but always playing the Diana card. I have the sad feeling that her boys too are abusing her image/past/tragedy. Even her sons, to improve their images. How low could they get.
        I also believe that unlike Bill, who has a doorm*t instead of wife, Harry does want to have a wife with a better image and experience. With Sparke being an actress used to media attention, knowing how to use her image and talk to the media, and some interest but not too much (how much charity has she done lately??), Harry is the one who needs a suitable wife. Meghan could have stayed married or in the previous relationship. She leads the game in their relationship.

      • frisbee says:

        @ LAK thank’s for those articles, reporters abroad are far more prepared to print the unvarnished version of Diana than the Brit press, even though they must know exactly what went on. I think it was you that dropped that little nugget about Julian Fellowes (and if it wasn’t LAK I apologise to whoever it was!) who said that her entire demeanour changed in front of a camera as soon as she knew there was a photo opportunity to promote her ‘image’ – the one that she pretty much constructed herself. Now if he wrote an unvarnished version of his view of Diana, I might actually read it.

      • Bellagio DuPont says:

        @ Soulspa:

        These are just my own personal thoughts:

        While I agree that both boys need to do some more work where they are visibly accountable to others, I do feel that people are a bit harsh on them wrt using their mothers image.

        I remember that for the longest time, (many, many years in fact), they hardly ever made any comment about their mother. I remember because I kept track…..I feel as though as the Queen ages, Charles and his party become ever more conscious of Camilla’s potential role as Queen Consort. With that, the PR drive to rehabilitate her image only gets louder with each passing year. That inevitably comes with the stories denigrating Diana and her mental state through the years.

        I really get the sense that this is why we have been hearing so much from her sons about her and her legacy. They feel as though it’s the only way to fight back the tarnishing of their mothers image and protect her memory from their fathers revisionist attacks.

        Furthermore, I don’t think Will (in particular) cares very much for the general public. In fact, I always sense a certain level of resentment in the way he interacts with the public. He lets us know how he feels with his tight, forced smiles, stiff handshakes and very brief appearances. It’s as though he partially blames the public for fueling the hungry media drive to document his mothers every move. After all, the press wouldn’t bother if the demand for her FROM THE PULIC wasn’t so intense.

        So, left to him, I doubt very much we would have ever heard a single word about Diana (from him), just out of contempt. (Maybe that’s a bit harsh, but you get the drift). We got a sense of this undercurrent resentment from Harry’s interview as well.

        I think they would both formally opt out of the royal family, but the fear of the unknown is greater than the need for freedom. I am not referring to the financial unknown…..let’s face it, they are descendants of two of the most powerful families in the western world, they will NEVER want financially, so the fantasy that they remain in the royal fold for financial backing is just that….a fantasy.

        I think it’s more about the fear of interrupting history in a way that’s more consequential than they have the courage for. For instance, King Edward VIII scandalously abdicating over Wallace…….who wants to be remembered throughout history in such an unsavory way?

        I think not knowing how history will judge such a move is one of the main reasons they stick around. Besides, it wouldn’t lessen any interest in their lives. It might even fuel it further.

        Just my thoughts.

      • Suze says:

        It’s laughable thinking that William or Harry would ever step away from royal life. They may fantasize about it, but neither one has a clue what normal life is, and they are spectacularly ill equipped to do it. Also, I will give them some credit, I do think a sense of duty lurks somewhere in both of them.

        What they need to do is develop a plan on how to be modern royals. Other royal families succeed very well in this.

        And the sacrosanct whole month of August vacay might have to go. Right now Felipe/Letizia of Spain have been on duty since the last terrorist attack, despite much of his country on traditional hols, because they understand what royals must do.

      • SoulSPA says:

        @Bellagio Du Pont: I get where you’re coming from regarding the tremendous conflict in the BRF re: the Innocent and Ordinary vs. their father. I was talking about the Diana card wrt WH despising the press and the public and giving reasons as to their privacy. Also not walking the talk about charity as they said they wanted to make her proud and respecting her legacy etc. but not doing it bar some exceptions. I do understand that they want to protect her legacy and portray her positively, but I see them as a pair of hypocrites. Praise her all that want but don’t say say things you don’t want to do. Like the sensitive issue of giving back, respecting the public, and doing charity.
        They talk about modernizing the monarchy but there are so similar to other members of the monarchy from the past living in privilege and not giving too much to the public. The difference is that now we have more accountability and we live in the age of the digital media. People are more empowered and less afraid to speak up.

      • Bellagio DuPont says:

        @ Soulspa:

        I get you……it’s that everlasting conflict between wanting to live up to their mothers outsized legacy and ultimately not being able to measure up. To be fair, Diana was/is a massively tough act to follow (whatever you think if her as a person).

        Left to me, I reallllly try not expect too much from them. I enjoy them the same way I enjoy Game of Thrones. Frivolous entertainment, but ultimately not of any real relevance to my actual life either way.

        Game of thrones by the waaayyyy……not to lower the tone too much, but did you catch this horrific story the writers have been passing around that Jon Snow doesn’t have a small package, he has a TINY package????!!!!!! Ha! 😱😱😱😨😨😨😨

        I mean, what the hell?!!! Just before the first Jon-Daenerys sex scene as well……what kind of sadists writers are these?? Feels like an aggressively delivered slap for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

      • magnoliarose says:

        @frisbee That was me about Julian Fellowes. I always thought it was telling coupled with other things picked up over the years from reliable sources, not tabloids. I believe maybe it was someone in her circle associated with Lady Annabel Goldsmith who said Diana would arrive unannounced and cause stress during meals because she ate so fast. lol

    • BeamMeUpScottie says:

      Traditionally, the BRF take all of August off

      • Suze says:

        Aren’t the young uns all about modernizing the royal family? Not disappearing for a month after a year of half hearted “work” would be a good place to start:

        Step it up gilded slackers! You get two weeks in August, like the normal folk. Then off you go, back to your twenty hour, two appearances a week drudgery.

      • nessa nessa says:

        I was about to say this too…don’t they all take a vacay this time of year? No shade but with all the things to be “big mad” about….this would be at the bottom of my list. It’s an annual thing for them….

      • bluhare says:

        Amen, Suze

      • Royalsparkle says:

        Why! Except for TQ PP thet work horse POW PR- few others- the rest of younger year long vacationers Throne Idle whiny WILLNOT CANNOT should continue the Firm duties to the people.

        Di was huge but very sly like a fox – in her PR campaign against the POW and the RF…she continue work with charities – and endear win the peoples love – this went against and right back at the RF…

    • Louise says:

      Ha ha! he DID do coloring in and maps!

      See – NONE of us in the real world can get a gig like this. I worked in the City for ten years. You filled in your form (back in the day, it was paper), sent it in, waited for it to get signed off, would there be cover for you blah blah blah. Its a joke!

      You see, it says a lot to me that noone is saying to them “FFS, listen to how this sounds and what you are doing, have some respect for working people”. They are both probably very very difficult to deal with (spoiled).

      The whole lot of them are drab. The summer of Diana has gone on, yes . But she DID have star quality. A quality that not many people have. Hilary Mendel’s article was very good. I saw Diana once when I was a child and she waved and me and my mum. We were squealing. She was an absolute superstar. Now we have Kate in her beige shoes. I have even gone off Meghan signing up for this! Pfft! to the lot of them and bugger off!

      • Sixer says:

        I read the Mantel article. Agree – very good, particularly the part about grief.

      • Mel says:

        ” I saw Diana once when I was a child and she waved and me and my mum. We were squealing. She was an absolute superstar.”

        Not disputing her superstar-dom, but the gaze (not to mention a wave!) of any super-famous person tends to have that effect.
        I remember the time when a very famous politician passed near a relative of mine, smiled at him and waved. He HATED this politician, yet you could see an odd transfigured glow about him – and he never badmouthed that politician quite as vigourously again! It was eerie to observe.
        Or the time when the Pope was driven by and apparently smiled and waved at my aunt (among many others). She couldn’t care less about him – she was there out of curiosity – but she was positively glowing for days afterwards. :)

      • bluhare says:

        I agree Sixer. Here lies one, her name is writ in water. Excellent and very poetic rephrasing of the quote. And so true. Her name is writ in water!

      • PrincessK says:

        I also read the Mantel article. Hilary Mantel is a great writer but misinterpreted by many and difficult to summarise. Journalists just pick out the most sensational sounding sound bites, which mean nothing without reading and understanding the whole piece . She was criticised for her article about Kate because bits of it were taken out of context and people failed to comprehend the meaning, and that it was not a personal attack on Kate. After reading the article on Diana I actually think Mantel toned down the imagery and content for fear of people not ‘getting it’ again. Mantel shows a great deal of empathy with both cases.

        As for the comment from Fellowes on Diana changing her demeanour, only a fool would not want to look good on camera. Maybe Diana met Fellowes and soon sussed him out to be the snobby social climber he is supposed to be, and hence the sour grapes.

        As for William and Harry hating the media, who wouldn’t if their mother was knocked out and lay dying in a car and they all spent vital minutes snapping away with their cameras and then rushed them off to the London news desks, that is just how out of proportion the media has got. It also explains why we getting practically no shots of Meghan

    • minxx says:

      We have 20 or 26 days (depending on the number of years of employment) of paid vacation per year in my country. That’s anywhere from 4 to 5 weeks. Most people use them ALL – 2 or 3 weeks in summer and 1-2 in winter for skiing plus holidays. Mayday week is a very popular time to take days off, given the fact that May 1st and 3rd are public holidays (sometimes 2 more days will give you a week off). Plus, we have Nov 1, Nov 11, Boxing Day and Easter Monday off. Aug. 15th is another holiday, so is Corpus Christi in June .. . living in a catholic country has its advantages :)

    • Somegirl says:

      My husband worked at a hospital in Houston and got 22 days paid vacation each year (outside of sick and holiday pay, which were another couple weeks combined). He could and did take up to 15 work days (3 weeks) consecutively, as did many of his coworkers. We were able to spend 24 days in Europe in one stretch this way. It’s not unheard of, even in America. I get 12 days paid vacation starting, plus 12 days paid sick leave, plus 14 days paid holidays, including one entire week off. My leave allowance will increase each year, the longer I’m at the job. Really just depends on the job.

      • suze says:

        Well, yes, but your husband works hard for that paid time off and earns it.

        As do I. As do you. As do the vast majority of working people. We are talking about a gilded few here.

    • Royalsparkle says:

      To be fair and comparing to whiny laxy bill kat carol middletons – Prince Harry take a lot fewer vacay and no family of five plus tagging along on with staff and others at taxpayers Duchy expense.

  5. Electric Tuba says:

    I just think he should consider using a bit of conditioner after shampooing his hair. My deep thoughts this morning.

    • frisbee says:

      Hot oil, he was never this frizzy as a kid, his hair was smooth and lovely, I wonder what happened?

      • Coconut says:

        JFK Jr also had hair like this. Looks to me like the hair changes texture during adolescence. Not just a lack of conditioner.

      • LAK says:

        I reckon it grew in frizzy after he got a buzzcut whilst at Sandhurst.

      • SoulSPA says:

        Frizzy hair due to air conditions (dry heat/dust/air conditioning on his prolonged Africa staycations), lack of fat intake (focus on protein to keep himself fit for running around for and around Sparkle), too much alcohol (dehydration) because of all the partying to woo Sparkle, use of wrong products (Sparkle only knows about women’s beauty, no advice to Harry. And he wouldn’t know better. His sister Kate Dolittle doesn’t know either). All fun speculation BTW!!!

      • Citresse says:

        Hair texture changes with age. However, not with all, but most. Sometimes you’ll see an 80 yr old with poker straight hair just like childhood.
        Diana’s hair texture was changing. It was quite straight and
        sleek during the early days with Charles, then by age 31, it was getting more springy, thicker, more waves. It was following her mother Frances who had wavy hair.

    • Maria says:

      Coconut oil does wonders for the hair.

    • Chaine says:

      I suspect he is gelling the sparse top bit up and scrunching it to camouflage his balding.

  6. HeidiM says:

    Is he that raggedty that he got a hole in the crotch of his pants?

  7. Louise177 says:

    These engagement speculations are ridiculous. The media has been saying “expect an announcement any minute” for a year. First it was the end of last summer, then Christmas, then some birthdays/anniversaries, then by the summer, by late summer, now during this trip. Why can’t people just wait? The funny thing is they may not even be talking engagement. Haven’t they been together for a little more than a year?

    • HappyXamp says:

      Not to mention how many days have they had face to face? Where they are in the same country? I get it some people can do the long distance relationship, but her marriage fell apart because of long distance. LA is a hell of a lot closet to Toronto than London is.

    • SoulSPA says:

      @Louise177 I think that the engagement is coming soon. The current situation kind of reminds me of the Middleton m.o. but no to the same extent. The Middletons had their lawyers against the press during the Waiting Years. Harry/BRF are creating a buffer zone with almost no intrusion from the media to allow him have a relationship without too much intrusion. Not the same happened with his previous relationships and this makes me think that the Sparke-Innocent engagement is seriously in the cards. I guess they are limited wrt to the date it will be announced publicly. Too many political and social issues in the UK. And I don’t remember who from the CoE talked about having no issues celebrating their marriage in I don’t remember what church. I do not believe for a minute that the clergy would make such statement instead of saying “no comment” or something sensitively appropriate without giving out too much.

  8. PrincessK says:

    People should leave Harry alone and allow him to enjoy his holiday with his beautiful companion. For incessant conversations about royal scrounging, laziness and, oh the poor British tax payer (eyes roll), go to DM where you will be in good company. Though it does appear that a lot of DM sounding types are coming over here.

    • SoulSPA says:

      I politely disagree with this statement, @PrincessK. People’s interest in Harry’s holidays would decrease should he be more in the public eye working his b*** off for the immense privilege he’s got by virtue of birth, but no personal merit. He kannot even make an appearance on a weekly basis during one month. What we know about him is that he parties and holidays, with fewer engagements per month than the number of fingers on one hand. I can only remember 2 engagements he’s had recently within one day. This situation is ludicrous. What does he do all the time? I am really curious, what does he do? He is a public figure with no accountability and his fortune is helped by the British taxpayer. So the public deserves to know. What does he do to acknowledge publicly all this privilege? Whining does not matter. No one believes him.

    • BeamMeUpScottie says:

      @PrincessK, as someone who helps to fund the BRF, ITA with you.

      To note: Harry’s overall positive rating has actually gone up by 5 pecentage points since 2013, based on the most recent poll of UK respondents. This poll was done a few weeks ago.
      FYI, Will is down by 7 points and Kate is also down by 6 points…

    • Suze says:

      We are to come to a site called Celebitchy, where all celebrities get the side eye, and leave only positive comments about Harry?

      I’ve been around here since 2007 or so and Harry got a lot of leeway for a long time. But since he left the military and his rather sparse royal schedule is more evident, the tide has turned.

      When the wedding happens there will be a swing toward a lot of fun fluffy comments.

  9. seesittellsit says:

    I don’t know why we’re shocked when rich people take rich-people type vacations, with or without proposals.

    Harry isn’t a deeply imaginative sort. I imagine a proposal at Victoria Falls (named after all for his great, great, great, great grandmother – did I get the number of “greats” right?) would seem perfectly divine and I doubt MM cares how it happens, as long as it happens.

    I’ve been watching some of the coverage of Diana’s life and I have to say, the revisionist history they allow out there without regard for the truth is horrifying. The woman was deeply emotionally disturbed, emotionally dishonest, and was so when she got there. it wasn’t something that was done to her by others unless you want to point the finger at her dreadful parents. She was needy beyond belief and it shows in some of those interviews, as well as her baldfaced rewriting of how desperately she wanted to be Princess of Wales, but is ignored.

    In a marriage where the husband cannot supply what the wife needs emotionally, the wife almost always turns to the children for same, especially if they are boys. I’m sure she was loving but overwhelming and also placed huge burdens for fulfillment on the boys. They will never, of course, talk about that, I’m not even sure if they’re able to admit it to themselves.

    I cannot think of anything more callous on the media’s part than its disregard for how potentially damaging it is to her son who is contemplating marriage to maintain that revisionist history, which absolves Diana for any role whatsoever in the ghastly mismatch. It’s as if they don’t want Harry and William to move past it, either, and they need to in order to make successful marriages.

    It is the one aspect in which I feel truly sorry for Harry and William. How can anyone move past mythology like that when the entire world is bent on maintaining it?!

    My objection to the whole royalty/privilege/we’re special but not so special that anyone can’t be one of us/but we still want you to bow and curtsey as if we were even more special than you thing they are getting so good at aside, on a human level, I do hope Harry has chosen well.

    You know how Philip Larkin’s famous poem ends: “Man hands on misery to man/It deepens like a coastal shelf/Get out as early as you can/And don’t have any kids yourself.” Of course, most of us ignore the advice.

    So, good luck, Harry and MM! I don’t particularly like either of you but I don’t ill-wish you, either. There’s enough misery in the world.

    • Suze says:

      Diana wanted to marry Charles as badly as Kate wanted to marry William. And her family was just as crafty about it as the Middletons.

      • SoulSPA says:

        I totally believe you, @Suze. I really do. The more points of view I read on the issue including Diana’s own words, the more I believe it is true. The difference between Diana and Katie’s courtship stood in the needs of Charles and Bill. Charles needed a wife asap and a suitable one. Bill had the luxury to choose whoever he wanted. One common point between Diana and Katie: “the last standing”. One in keeping herself suitable for royal marriage decades ago, and the other one in endurance.

    • Helen Smith says:

      +1

    • Maude says:

      This, 100%.

      I also think there’s a big risk that once the sheen of the BRF life and the relationship has worn off, MM will get tired of it and long to go back to the US and shinier pastures (which I what I think she will do eventually).

  10. nessa nessa says:

    This story was picked up by the local press in Zambia. Then UK’s Mirror reported it, followed by DailyMail. So no it isn’t only US press that’s getting this. As for proposal…no one will know until they announce it. And that could be months from now, like after she is done with Suits this season. That’s IF he proposed at all.

    As for the length of the holiday? Meghan took the same time off last year….her month long eat pray love thing. It’s not unusual for her…she take vacations like this. It’s just with him this time. She goes back on set I believe next month to finish out the season. And yet I’m unsure of Suits will have a season 8, I know it’s getting a spin off. So this season might be it.

    • Suze says:

      I don’t think anyone on here is begrudging Megan her vacation. I would have jumped on it, too, if it were offered.

  11. Hazel says:

    I’m a long-time federal employee (US). I earn 8hrs of leave per pay period, 26 pay periods per year. I have yet to use all my leave in one go, although I know a lot of people who take off from Thanksgiving through New Years. We are allowed to carry a max balance of 240 hrs from one year to the next (use or lose). Oh? And I get all the federal holidays, too.

  12. Dissa says:

    Re ‘touristy falls’ … who out of all of us commenting will ever make it to Africa to see these falls?

    #NotTouristyToMe #StillRomantic

    • suze says:

      I’ve been there ; ).

      Unfortunately it was during the dry season (October) and on the Zambian side. The gorges are still magnificent. And an enormous tourist attraction, regardless of how many North Americans visit There are TONS of locals there.

      I refused to swim in the Devils Pool – too chicken – but you can Google it. Maybe Meghan and Harry dared it.

      #stilltouristyregardless #wouldacceptamarriageproposalfromaprincethere

  13. Peanutbuttr says:

    The building superintendant has been gone the whole month on vacation and isn’t due back until after Labor Day. Every year, he goes on an extended vacation, presumably to his home country.

    • suze says:

      Since he probably works ridiculously hard the rest of the year – or at least shows up on site every work day – he deserves it.

      • Helen Smith says:

        Yes. I wouln’t compare the building superintendant to the royals. A blog has a breakdown lf how many days each month Kate has worked this year. It is pitiful. She is grossly overcompensated for working less than one week out of every four.

  14. Starryfish says:

    The Victoria Falls is a truly beautiful place to visit. Mosi-oa Tunya (its non Anglo name) means “the smoke that thunders,” and when you see it you really understand the name. I didn’t see it from a helicopter, but it’s still awe inspiring. I doubt he proposed there, but the falls and the Livingstone are not without their romantic aspects. I’m just glad they picked the Zambian side, my home country tends to get the shaft when people plan to visit the falls; I’m a little biased but I think our side is the better view.