Megan Fox: Hollywood is ‘morally bankrupt… they don’t care if you drop dead’

The cast of 'Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles' promoting their movie

I didn’t excerpt every interesting part of Brendan Fraser’s GQ interview, but I did include a few of his quotes about how his body was basically destroyed from years of doing so many stunt-heavy films, and how it’s taken years of surgery and healing to even get back to a place where he can just… move and exist. Fraser talked about how no one really cared that he was messing up his body so profoundly. I happened to read that Fraser piece the same day I read this Megan Fox interview, where she talks about the similar feeling of just being “used up” by Hollywood, that no one really cares about your health or welfare or mental state. Some highlights (she’s promoting her Frederick’s of Hollywood deal, which is why she’s talking about lingerie, btw).

Her schedule with her sons: “[Brian] does the morning routine with them and takes them to school and I usually pick them up. We try to make it to a movie once a week or have an adult lunch so that everything isn’t always kid-centered. I try to make a rule let’s not talk about the kids, but it’s impossible.”

She doesn’t wear lingerie “for” Brian Austin Green: “I don’t do anything for my partner. Everything I do is for myself,. I think the whole point of lingerie is to help you feel more confident in expressing who you are, it shouldn’t be so much about parading around for someone else.”

Her diet: “I eat organic all the time. I drink at least 100 ounces of water a day and I drink less than 8 ounces of coffee a day.”

How she thinks about the industry: She believes that Hollywood is “morally bankrupt… there’s not a lot of concern about what’s right for individuals. As long as you survive filming and they’ve gotten what they need from you they don’t really care if you drop dead afterwards. It doesn’t matter if you break an arm or you break a leg. You can get really sick as long as you are not bleeding from your face you are going to keep working and people don’t understand that. There’s no regard for your safety or your physical well-being at all because it doesn’t matter because you are a means to an end.”

[From E! News]

Her comments about the rights of individual actors perfectly dovetails with what Fraser said, and what Uma Thurman said about the stunt-gone-wrong on Kill Bill too. It’s about the lack of respect for someone’s well-being, the lack of protections in place. This is the role the Screen Actors Guild and actors’ agents and lawyers should play in the system, but I get the feeling that there are so many gaps. I also get the feeling that… Megan has some stories. A lot of stories.

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  1. Rocknrust says:

    Not that it’s right but is anyone really surprised by this? The famous line “The show must go on” states it perfectly.

    • Laura says:

      True, but have we gotten to where we’ve taken the humanity out of that phrase? Sometimes it feels like we have.

      • Ksenia says:

        The line “The show must go on,” is a pretty brutal, ruthless one, not at all humane, and I don’t think it *ever* had “more humanity” in it than it currently does. Not in Hollywood, that is for certain. The belief that almost everyone is virtually replaceable and that the show (and the money it garners) is far more important than any individuals and their personal feelings has ALWAYS been true of the entertainment industry. When you’re “big,” a star, you are coddled and held on a temporary pedestal; when you cease to make money, you are dropped, and often, it is a long and hard fall. No one–no actress, no actor–is as important, in Hollywood, as the kind of brand and money they can bring to the industry; once they are no longer “bankable”, it’s absolutely true they are dropped, without a second thought. Hollywood has *never* put their actor’s feelings first; in fact, they matter very little, and in the long run, once they’re past their expiration date, they are very quickly dropped and forgotten. If one knows that going in, I think the fall from fame and from all its tempting, special, overwhelming privileges will not be so shatteringly far as the one Megan has experienced. I can see how such a thing would *deeply* affect a person’s self identity and self esteem, but in the end–and from the start–Hollywood is a money making business, first and foremost. It has, at least, never promoted itself to be anything else, never falsely declared any particular concern or compassion over its individual actors once they are no longer considered viable for films. It is a brutal business, and people need to know and to remember that going in.

  2. Lilith says:

    She’s so beautiful. I’ve always liked her.

    • Ytbtet says:

      I also really like her red carpet style and how honest she is about her diet. I wish we could hear talk more at length like a podcast interview

  3. Eleonor says:

    Look at what she has done to her beautiful face. And like her tons of other actresses: Hollywood is a mess.
    I agree: she has a lot of story to tell, after all the Weinstein mess her story with Michael Bay looks very different.

    • Bettyrose says:

      I’m sure the extreme plastic surgery ties into the entire narrative here, but it really is disturbing: a patchwork of cosmetic procedures where was once a fresh, beautiful face.

      • minx says:

        She used to be very pretty. I can’t imagine why she felt her face wasn’t good enough, why she felt she had to change it.

      • magnoliarose says:

        I think it does too. It is like she has erased who she used to be. She has ruined her face, and that is sad.

    • Enough Already says:

      At the time of her clash I was horrified by her story and couldn’t understand why so few people believed or supported her. Why does it take a Harvey Weinstein to believe a Megan Fox ffs?

      • Jordan says:

        Because she’s an attractive female. This site trashed her for years. Especially when Bay came out swinging when Fox revealed how he really was.

      • Bettyrose says:

        To be fair, it was more complicated than that. People believed her accusations against Bay, but when Spielberg stepped in over her misuse of the word “nazi,” she over-estimated her power in Hollywood. I don’t think anyone doubted that Bay is sleazy and disgusting, but who among us had the power to save her career when she pissed of Spielberg?

      • Jordan says:

        I forgot about Spielberg. I remember the nazi comment though. But she was trashed long before that too. Isn’t good ole Spielberg also one of the names that’s been thrown around with Corey Haim and that sex ring?

      • Bridget says:

        Spielberg was more offended at her use of the word “nazi” than he was about Bay having Megan audition by washing one of his fancy cars in a bikini. Yuck.

      • OG OhDear says:

        And people still don’t want to hear her, except that it’s now “find another profession and shut up.”

      • magnoliarose says:

        Her career didn’t just stop because of her Spielberg comments or Michael Bay comments. It was also the letter by people on set saying she was a nightmare and mostly because her husband controls her and her career. He is an awful person, and I believe she could have recovered from her missteps if it hadn’t been for him.
        The Nazi comment was offensive, but I don’t believe she is a bigot. I think she said something stupid without thinking.
        Also, so much obvious plastic surgery is a career killer.

    • Ytbtet says:

      Yes Michael bay definitely abuses his power

    • Vanessa says:

      The Bay story was always creepy af, but now it’s actually written about that way. At the time, even this site made her seem like an entitled whinger.

  4. Eve says:

    I really like her because years ago when she one of the few of the actors in their peek to talk about the sexism ago after a big fish in Hollywood like MB she was shut down by almost everyone including a lot of people here and told to shut up! Now I appreciate her bold honesty and her warnings about Hollywood and the (mostly male) dirty characters behind it!

    • Goats on the Roof says:

      I remember Megan telling really horrible stories about Michael Bay, and the only outrage was that Megan was being ungrateful to him. She ended up having to apologize and her career really suffered. What a shame.

      • WMGDtoo says:

        amazing how actors that were not big names are ignored. And those that have big names that could have done something kept quiet or said they talked behind the scenes. Then when it all hit the fan they all came out to say “Me too’. not victim shaming. But I see why the likes of Rose M. are having a hard time processing it all. It’s like they were screaming for help and it never came. Then someone more known screams then all the help and support goes to them. And you wonder’ why was I not worthy of that support and sisterhood. It has to be difficult. I applaud Megan for speaking up; and not having others stand up next to her.

      • magnoliarose says:

        Interesting points. Something to think about.

    • Talie says:

      Yeah, she told her stories and go blacklisted, briefly…and ever since then, she seems to have shifted her priorities to being a mom and working when she needs to.

      • naomipaige says:

        Yes, and now she’s doing something with Frederick’s of Hollywood. So, I guess that’s were her career has taken her.

  5. Ophelia says:

    When I did a fast scroll-by, I thought “hang on, what in the freshell did Lucy Liu do to her face?” Then I read the title underneath.

    • Rachel in August says:

      Not yet 30 and already looking like a Siamese cat in a wind tunnel, lol. She swore up and down there was no botox involved and even went public making all these faces to “prove” she could still move her face, and even pointed out “wrinkles,” lol. The shine on that face? Liar, liar, pants on fire.

  6. OG OhDear says:

    I wonder what she thinks of the public reaction to MeToo/TimesUp, since she’s been saying that for years but always got told to shut up and look pretty.

  7. Nancy says:

    I try to take her seriously. She is lovely, but she is married to David Silver. Lol

    • Bettyrose says:

      That’s a creepy situation. She’s been with him since her teen years, has tried to leave him at least once, ends up pregnant again and is still with him. Years ago, I remember speculation that he was blackmailing her with something career-ending (like she’d had an abortion in her teens).

      • Yup, Me says:

        I just keep thinking about how she’s the only one working regularly. He’s probably got 90210 money coming in and he’s got his “vertigo” situation that keeps him from working now. If she tried to divorce him, she’d be paying an arm and a leg to take care of him and their truckload of children.

      • Ytbtet says:

        Honestly it sucks that she got stuck with him if he did that. But their relationship is still a mystery to me I have no idea about the dynamics

      • bettyrose says:

        Yup, Me . . Gah, what a clusterfk. I think when she finally tried to leave him about two years ago, whatever he’s holding over her probably doesn’t matter any more (I don’t think an abortion revelation from her teens would impact her career now), but yeah he probably held onto her with threats of expensive spousal support.

      • magnoliarose says:

        There is speculation there are metoo stories about him and I believe it.

      • Otaku Fairy says:

        I remember hearing something like this about their relationship a few years ago, but I can’t remember if it came from Megan/ her team or not. It’s sad that we live in a society where an ex is successfully able to use things like that against a woman.

  8. Bridget says:

    It’s a trade off. They are extremely well compensated and publicly adored commodities. You have to be a messed up person in the first place to be drawn to Hollywood. Look at Megan. That is not the face of a healthy and well adjusted person. She started in the business at a super young age and has pretty much always been highly sexualized. She was what, 14 when she was a background go go dancer in Bad Boys 2?

    • Una says:

      The word “commodity” kind of shows the downsides of being an actor. They are products which means at some point we get fed up with them. Even in this site, we gossip about actors, we want to know about their lives. Almost nobody gossips about directors or producers even when they are well known. As long as an actor is not Leonardo Dicaprio or somebody of that level, they are completely vulnerable to this kind of abuse.

    • Enough Already says:

      It is a trade-off because no one thinks it’s possible to clean up the industry so the horrors continue. It doesn’t have to be a trade -off anymore. There was a time when factory supervisors would have laughed at the idea that eight year olds could be legally barred from working 12 hour days on an assembly line.

      • Bridget says:

        But it’s also not a job that people are forced to take or else risk not being able to feed their family. In fact, it’s a career path that takes a lot of dedication and perserverence to get into. Yes, there should be dignity, equality and response in every career. I’m not discussing right or wrong or whether or not anyone deserves to be treated badly (they don’t). My point is, this is a trade off people in Hollywood are willing to make. Look at Megan. Even after being publicly humiliated by Michael Bay, she chose to crawl back because it was more important to keep working as an actress. That is screwed up.

      • Enough Already says:

        Bridget
        This still feels like victim blaming. I am familiar enough with your stance on issues to know that is not your belief but still, your statements mirror so many I’ve heard from virtue signallers. I didn’t know the girl personally but a friend of a classmate of mine was attacked and nearly raped by a customer of hers. She was an exotic dancer and the man followed her to her truck one night after her shift. Everyone agreed the attack was wrong but the heated arguments centered around the fact that the girl switched to a larger club with better security as opposed to giving up stripping altogether. I think that creeps shouldn’t stop people from doing what they like. I’d rather discuss clearing out the creeps.

      • Bridget says:

        It’s more the fact that we don’t really realize how f-ed up someone has to be to pursue stardom in the first place. Think about it. She was 14 and a go go dancer for Michael Bay. Megan herself realizes that she as an actress has no value as a person to the people she works for, and yet is still drawn to the profession. That is not the face (nor the choices) of a happy and well adjusted woman.

      • Otaku Fairy says:

        “….we don’t realize how f-ed up someone has to be to pursue stardom in the first place.” I disagree. People choose stardom either to have jobs they think will be cool and exciting or to make a lot of money for themselves while avoiding the types of jobs they want to avoid. This is probably most true of the stars who aren’t the best savers or who aren’t already the daughters of rich, famous celebrities. Many probably stay because of what they’ve already invested into their careers or because of pride.
        As for the face, Megan Fox has admitted that she’s struggled with insecurities about her looks for a long time (even though she hasn’t been honest about the plastic surgery).

    • bettyrose says:

      Plenty of starlets are not extremely well compensated, though. The abuse starts long before the big paychecks start rolling in. We’re only hearing the experiences of the people whose names command headlines.

  9. Ali says:

    She is unrecognizable.

    And nobody forced anyone to sell their soul to Hollywood…people start out with a “dream” to get rich and famous and play right into the hands of the Hollywood players. For the rest of us, Hollywood is gross and fake and we would never even consider a lifestyle like this.

    • Enough Already says:

      Acting is a profession within a recognized industry. It is ignorant and sophomoric to suggest victims deserve their abuse because you don’t like what they do for a living or you have decided you don’t approve of their motivations. I know several doctors who will laugh if you ask them how many classmates put up with the grueling years of study, internship and residency just because they had a pure love for the profession. Wealth, social status, ego, family expectations and a God complex were the top reasons I have heard and witnessed but no one shames doctors. Stop with this BS notion that actresses are immoral famewhores who sold their souls for stardom and therefore deserve what they get. It’s dangerous.

      • Otaku Fairy says:

        Thank you. The callousness, shaming, and victim-blaming in some of these comments are gross, but not all that surprising at this point. The same people who choose to watch movies, visit celebrity gossip sites, read tabloids, etc. want to go on about how any woman seeking a career for herself in the entertainment industry has to be less moral than them and complicit in any abuse or harassment she experiences. ‘The Have-nots’ are using Sex Predatorgate want to pat themselves on the back for being more virtuous than the (mostly female) ‘Haves’ in this situation.

      • Enough Already says:

        Otaku
        These comments and similar ones on other threads are so depressing. They remind me of an ancient Persian saying that an honorable woman is someone about whom men can speak neither good nor ill. Just so gross.

      • isabelle says:

        Its an awful post.

      • Kayahead says:

        Thank you! So gross the comment above. Strip away most well paying jobs and honestly what’s the motivation? Do all lawyers want to save the world, most certainly not. How about investment bankers? The number of brilliant university grads I know who turned away from academia to investment banking is depressing….and for what…to be rich. Shaming someone who chose a profession for “the wrong reason” and therefore concluding that that their abuse/objectification is the trade off is beyond gross. (And also faulty logic FYI)

    • Meggles says:

      I’ve worked in ‘Hollywood’ for much of my life and that comment is ignorant and judgmental.
      Hollywood is just a place like any other, no better or worse than many other industries (I’ve heard horror stories about finance that makes Hollywood look like a kindergarten) and most actors genuinely want to act not be famous. Many tolerate fame because it’s necessary to get considered for the kind of roles everyone wants to play.

    • isabelle says:

      Hollywood only used Megan for her looks, so when she was younger she bought into it as well and did the plastic surgery. Gonna say this, I imagine you and no one else on here looks like her, she was truly beautiful in her prime. We’ll never haver the temptations or decisions she had when she was young. So its probably very easy to judge from your high throne looking down. People need to get over themselves and their so perfect choices they make in life.

      • magnoliarose says:

        I don’t understand this way of thinking either.
        Megan wanted to be an actress. Women suffer this same kind of harassment in other professions too. Academia, religious organizations, medicine, restaurant work and on and on.
        She shouldn’t have to give up her dreams but I think she did start too young and I don’t think she was protected. :(

  10. Nicole Savannah, GA says:

    Shoot where I work they push us like crazy. Not much regard for safety or health as long as we do our job. Every place I’ve worked, if someone drops, they’re looking for a replacement. I don’t think it’s only Hollywood. And I’m really sick of actors acting like they’re the only industry with issues.

    • WingKingdom says:

      Came here to say the same. I’m a professor at a private university and not one person cares about how I am doing- physically, mentally, or emotionally. People get stretched to their limits getting put on multiple committees, assigned extra duties, and when they burn out, their contract is not renewed and there’s always a young PhD ready to take that spot.

      To be clear, administrators do ask, “How are you doing?” but the only answer I can give is a cheerful smile and to say everything is wonderful. Otherwise I don’t get my contract renewed.

    • naomipaige says:

      Very true. As an old boss used to tell me, “Everyone is replaceable.”

    • Lucy2 says:

      I do think this sort of abuse and disregard for people is prevalent in most industries. I think it’s a bit more heightened in the entertainment industry, with it being in the global public eye, and so much of it, especially for women, being centered on one’s appearance, plus very little corporate structure/rules.
      I have seen quite a few actors point this out though, saying it is prevalent in their industry, but in many others as well. I think most of them realize that, and are just sharing the experience they can speak to personally.

      • tracking says:

        +1 It’s corporate culture, and ubiquitous. People are simply commodities and in any industry specifically rooted in physical appearance and sex appeal, like Hollywood, women have it worse. But it’s everywhere.

      • NicoleinSavannah,GA says:

        Some celebrities have said it’s everywhere, but most of the things I am hearing from many of them relate these issues to themselves. The most important is that they have a platform and ALWAYS bring up the inequities to all industries. Even Janelle Monae who I adore said it’s their thing in music and entertainment while on stage presenting Kesha. NO!

    • Naddie says:

      Was about to say the same thing.

  11. deets says:

    I get kind of annoyed when women constantly say – I do this for myself- when it’s something that is directly for male gaze and consumption.

    Yes, there is a piece of empowerment there. There’s power in being sexual and desirable. But to completely remove the nuance of why we choose things, why we make these choices, it seems a bit… superficial.

    Yes, you wear lingerie for you, but it’s often because you enjoy meeting an expectation, or pleasing someone, or being desired. Those aren’t bad things in an of themselves, but when you layer it all together, you end up with women saying they want and enjoy things they truly do not. Because it’s passé to say you do it for your husband, that’s not ok anymore, so now we’ve internalized these ideals even more deeply. They’ve now become not just something we do to please, but something we desire.

    How do we do choice feminism, when women are just as likely to be chauvinists, with internalized nonsense, as men? When women are stilll ‘pleasers’ ? How do we make room for everyone, while not applying pressure to others to conform?

    It links to performative sexuality, makeup, hair, and more, all the really fun, touchy topics.
    Anyhow that’s my mini text wall for Meghan’s, I wear lingerie for me quote.

    • Nicole Savannah, GA says:

      And. You. Nailed it.

    • Enough Already says:

      To be on the safe side you could simply believe women.

      • deets says:

        Which is where I sit now, but I’m becoming uneasy with the intersection of choice feminism and the #metoo movement.
        They are seeming to be counter examples in agency, and I am trying to figure out where I lie on that spectrum.

        The overarching tenet is the same ‘believe women’, but there are interesting difference.

    • Jordan says:

      While I get your comment, it also has shades of pot calling the kettle black.

    • Otaku Fairy says:

      Cool. So then how do you, and other women like you, ‘choose your choice’ to dress conservatively and save sex only for those you’d consider marrying?
      Do you really do it for yourselves, or do you do it because our patriarchal society has trained you to believe that your worth, respectability, and self-respect are tied to you avoiding being perceived as ‘a slut’?
      Is your classiness really just for yourself, or deep down is their some part of you that’s been conditioned by the patriarchy to believe that women who are more immodest than you are beneath you?
      Is there a part of you that fears that your more modest or even dowdy choices are protecting you from you triggering, inviting, or even deserving disrespect, abuse, or harassment?
      Are you trying to avoid being body-shamed?
      Do you fear that you won’t get a good husband if you’re more sexual? Better yet, please tell me you neither have nor want a husband, because marriage is so patriarchal.
      Have you been taught that your choices are the only way a woman can be a good, moral person and a role model?
      From the time when you were a preteen or teenage girl in school up until now, how have you treated and discussed other girls and women who aren’t as sexually modest as you? Like equals, or like inferiors? Have you been taught that your choices are what a woman has to do to be feminist and to be smart?

      You may say they’re all your choices. But with our patriarchal society being what it is, how am I supposed to accept and respect that your decisions about your body, your comfort zones, personal beliefs, and boundaries are all your own? How can you prove to me that it’s not ‘performative’, and that you haven’t internalized ANY of the nonsense around those choices?
      Now let’s look at your decisions about childbearing…….

      • Enough Already says:

        Otaku
        You just do not disappoint. The virtue olympics just do not run out of gold medals do they?

      • Kayahead says:

        Ummm, can I fangirl you Otaku?

      • deets says:

        OFairy, I would love to discuss this, but your comment wasn’t a discussion. It was a lecture.

        To assume I’m a ‘prude’ or what have you, because I’m having issues with public roles versus agency versus living an authentic lifes, that’s a bit of a stretch. You’ve pegged my life situation and politics completely wrong because you wanted to yell.

      • Otaku fairy says:

        Interesting that when the same narrative is applied to the choices you favor, it’s ‘a lecture’, but when the condescension is directed towards women you’ve been socialized to see yourself as above, it’s a ‘discussion.’ Typical. The logical gymnastics that sex-negative feminists use to pretend that this ‘choice feminism’ strawman is about anything other than using the actions of abusers to justify slut-shaming… at least the religious right will own their repugnant beliefs about women instead of using politically correct words to soften beliefs they deny having.
        And there is no ‘choice feminism’ involved here. There is sex-positive feminism. Learn the difference.

      • NicoleinSavannah,GA says:

        @Deets,
        I agree this conversation needs to be had. Laughable that we are prudes and conservative all of a sudden, no? Because we want to have a discussion without being attacked.

      • Naddie says:

        Chill. Deets is questioning, not acusing her of anything. Lupita once said on an interview something like “we should guard our sexuality” and more than half of responses were questioning if it was feminism or prudeness, and now one can’t do the same?

      • Otaku Fairy says:

        @NicoleinSavannah: “Because we want to have a discussion without being attacked.”
        You want to cheer on a discussion about how sad, man-pleasing, dishonest, victimized, chauvinistic, and mentally inferior women who dress/undress a certain way are without being criticized for it. You can dish it out but you can’t take it. The moment women making choices you’re in favor of/have gotten used to are treated the same way, and your history of judging a certain kind of woman are questioned, suddenly it’s an ‘attack’. What’s good for the ‘Bad Girl’ Goose is never good for the ‘Good Girl’ gander, is it?

        @Naddie: Go back and read her post, because she makes several sexist accusations about a whole category of women (not Megan Fox as an individual). She accuses them of lying, of being psychologically incapable of distinguishing between what they want and what men want, of being man-pleasers, and of being bigoted against their own sex- all because of clothing choices. That’s not questioning.

      • NicoleinSavannah,GA says:

        Otaku, you need to chill. I am in no way a ‘good girl’. Just because people question things does not mean you should attack. Also, your attacks will make no one listen to your points or take them into consideration. Which are excellent! I wholeheartedly believe in being who and what you want to be. This isn’t the conversation being had. Stop projecting your anger from other places onto genuinely curious and a little confused questions. I’d welcome these questions instead of attacking them, because we WANT to LEARN.

      • Naddie says:

        Honestly, I’ve been seeing your replies for a while, and while you are so right about many things, you seem obsessed with “ending the modesty”. Any small critic about the “sexy standard pattern” which is coincidentally embraced by the male gaze you show up with a rant.

      • Otaku Fairy says:

        @Naddie: And you’re going to continue to see them because the misogyny is still a problem. I’m not particularly interested in making the desensitized women or men comfortable at this point. These types have had their say and dominated for thousands of years. When people have been taught that they’re better than certain ‘types’ of women and are entitled to disrespect them, of course being told “No you aren’t” is going to feel like an attack. Either people are going to realize that’s a shitty way to treat and view people, and want to better, or they’re not.
        You can critique standards and defend women not having to do something without dehumanizing women who choose differently.

      • Nicole Savannah, GA says:

        Now this I 100% thank you for taking the time to express. I agree. It feels like the entire system needs/MUST be broken and changed. I found myself questioning a friendship because I heard the guy on speaker asking my friend while they were arguing if she was on her period. She answered no! I feel horrible for her child if she doesn’t understand that a man that dumb has no privilege of being in your life. Sorry. That really affected me.

      • Naddie says:

        I’d agree with you if this was a site full of a bunch of cynical men who gaslight with the same ability as they breathe, but Deets’s opinion clearly wasn’t insinuating anything like a war between two types of women. If anything, it was more like a doubt than an attack. When she mentioned the “chauvenist” part, she was (probably, I can’t speak for her) saying how confusing is to distinguish what is your own choice and what is entangled with patriarcal rules.Think about it, if it was Megan saying how much she enjoys “not showing her body because she saves it all to her husband”, I’m sure that would be heavily problematized here, in this very site I’m sure it would (and that’s why I don’t leave for nothing). Now, I’m lost with the child bearing subject…

      • deets says:

        Thanks for the support ladies, and Naddie, you had the heart of my message, exactly. oFor me, it’s a personal reflection thing, and linking it to Meghans shill for fredericks wasn’t the smartest choice. As an ex ‘cool girl’ I find myself looking back on my choices and trying to see what made me choose them, and how they may have impacted others. Quote like Meghan’s helped push me towards that direction. Even as a young girl I recognized wanting to do what men wanted was better than just doing it.
        The child bearing was most likely a cheap dig assuming I have children, and therefor partaking in unexamined choices that reflect the rewarded social norms.

    • deets says:

      The sad part is, OF, I agree with you on most of this. we were typically are on the same side when it comes to these type of discussions, despite what you have assumed here. I say choice feminist, as that’s what I am, because I feel it encompasses more than sex positivity, but you could call me sex positive as well.

      I actually enjoyed your reframing, where all choices are effectively influenced by an urge to conform to something, regardless of whether that is patriarchal choices or other. I’m going to turn that one about for a bit. I almost didn’t though because you are just so very offputting with your needlessly rude and personal generalizations. That detritus clutters what could be concise and effective arguments.

      My original examples were poorly chosen, because outside of risky sexual behaviour, there is not much fashion, or sex wise, I find to be unhealthy in and of itself. I knew my comment could be misconstrued when writing it, but my politics are so far from sexuality policing I didn’t imagine someone would jump to such conclusions. Lesson learned. Sometimes we need to be reminded we have an audience and each comment, or word vomit, stands alone.

      Now, that said, my originally intended point still stands, I sometimes worry that extreme permissiveness in choice, in a patriarchal world, can often just reinforce the status quo. I dislike this feeling, but I’m having issues integrating the personal level to the population level. I wanted to discuss it. Not have someone obliquely , and not so obliquely, attack me, my assumed child bearing choices, my assumed sexual choices, my assumed politics.

      • Otaku Fairy says:

        The problem is that there’s already a huge trend of patriarchal oppression being used to justify discrediting women as decision-makers. It’s another way women as a group have ended up paying for male behavior.
        I’m not really out to assume anything negative about women for their sexual or reproductive choices, or even end modesty. There are progressive women who dress modestly without being a problem for other women. The selectiveness of the ‘Don’t generalize’ take is the issue- it’s a pretty hard approach to take when one side opens their critique of gender expectations with generalizations.

  12. Enough Already says:

    Let’s be honest. It didn’t take a Weinstein or a Michael Bay for people to mock Megan Fox’s claims. People didn’t to believe her. People wanted the gorgeous girl in the genre hit of the summer to shut up and be gorgeous. No one was tricked into slamming her for being ungrateful or unprofessional ir any of the other slurs thrown at her.

  13. grabbyhands says:

    She’s not wrong, but this has been going on since Hollywood’s inception-the stories from the old studio system when they basically owned actors is fascinating, but chilling.

    • Nicole Savannah, GA says:

      You Must Remember This podcast is awful but so informative. Not awful, but the experiences were. Even reading about Rita Hayworth’s extensive work. It had to be excruciating. Not to mention everything else she endured. And many more.

  14. Jess says:

    100 ounces of water?!? That seems like a lot, I drink 70 to 80 and people think that’s a lot, lol. I feel bad for her, she’s so young and she’s screwing her beautiful face. I don’t understand that kind of pressure.

    • Bridget says:

      That is not a lot at all. Nor is 80oz. Bare minimum recommended amount is 64 oz.

    • Kelly says:

      That’s not difficult to do if she works out a lot, but it is possible to consume too much water (some people drink a lot of water to stave off hunger). If urine is as clear as water, you need to reduce a little. Of course the color can be affected by B vitamins, etc.

    • magnoliarose says:

      I drink half my body weight in ounces every day and a little more. She exercises, so that accounts for needing some extra hydration too.

      • Naddie says:

        I envy you. I work out, not so intensely but I sweat just by breathing, and I can’t pass the 50 mark.

      • Jay says:

        Naddie, what helped me was getting a 32oz Camelbak with the plastic straw “bite” nozzle. I haaaaaated carrying around a small water bottle and being like “I have to drink six of these a day.” Like, no, not happening. But it became really easy for me to get that 32oz and be like, I only have to drink one of these. And then when that was totally doable, ‘oh, I only have to drink two of these a day.’ And now, I’m up to drinking 3 (but usually a little less, between 2-3L of water a day). It’s way more manageable. I think 50oz is great, way healthier than none other than whatever water is in food (aka me most of my adult life), but if you want to try to get more in, maybe this way would help you too?

      • Naddie says:

        Jay, I’m already searching for it. Thanks :)

  15. Littlestar says:

    I know she’s had a ton of work done but she is still so beautiful! Love the texture of her skin, I wonder what it takes to get that? Lasers? Peels? I want whatever it is. I’m sure she has stories about Hollywood, unfortunately.

  16. me says:

    Well what’s stopping her from getting another job? Does she think her 9 to 5 office job would give her a boss that cares? They don’t !

    • Meggles says:

      As long as she’s paying her own bills why should she? Who are you to dictate what career choices a woman is allowed to make? if she was a lab technician complaining about sexual abuse would you be here lecturing her to just quit and find another job?

      And yes bosses absolutely should care. If you employ someone you have a certain duty of care obligation towards them.

      • me says:

        We are not talking about ALL women. We are talking about ONE woman. She is rich enough that she doesn’t have to act again or “work” again if she doesn’t want to. She can start her own business, and be her own boss. How many women with a 9 to 5 have that luxury? They don’t. Also, most people HATE their bosses. A lot of people quit their job because they hate their boss. Most people, especially women have to put up with a lot of sh*t at work. Megan has the luxury of walking away and not worrying about paying her bills. Of course bosses should care, but how many actually do? Don’t be so defensive and actually pay attention to my words instead of assuming things…jeez. Oh and if it was a lab tech complaining about sexual abuse I would tell her to REPORT it to authorites…like a person should.

      • Enough Already says:

        Me
        You just don’t get it. If she enjoys acting she should not have to give it up because of abuse or harassment. How difficult is it to just say abuse and harassment should not be an acceptable part of the job? By your logic every actress who encounters these horrors should just leave the industry and find something else to do. I guess you want to see all male entertainment? I guess women don’t have the right to pursue their craft in safety and with respect? how do you feel about female pioneers in technology, medicine, science and industry? Should they have just pursued other careers? At some point every industry has been male dominated so where can women be safe? Only and industries were they choose to stay and fight for equality.

      • me says:

        Please don’t put words in my mouth. I never said ANY of that or implied it. You guys are going wayyy too far now. Wow. Have a great day !

      • NicoleinSavannah,GA says:

        Agreed @ ME. This: Just because people question things does not mean you should attack. Also, your attacks will make no one listen to your points or take them into consideration. Which are excellent! I wholeheartedly believe in being who and what you want to be. This isn’t the conversation being had. Stop projecting your anger from other places onto genuinely curious and a little confused questions. I’d welcome these questions instead of attacking them, because we WANT to LEARN.

  17. psl says:

    Her face. :(

    These beautiful women who take “tweaking” little things to the extreme, and they don’t look like themselves anymore.

  18. Svea says:

    That actress in ET pissed off Spielberg and her career was over like that.

  19. coffeeisgood says:

    I think she eased up on the plastic surgery in the past few years. Her face has settled and looks way more natural now than it did a few years ago.

  20. Penelope says:

    Her once-lovely face is scary now. She speaks out about everything except why she felt the need to ruin it. She’s right in everything she says about Hollywood but why not address the elephant in the room as part of what that cesspool can do to your self-image and esteem?

  21. isabelle says:

    I’ve always liked Megan and think she has a lot of guts.

  22. Shannon says:

    I like her. I LOVE that blue outfit in the first pic, and I hate to do this to her but I loathe what she’s done to her face. She’s still lovely, but it’s more like a ‘fake pretty’ now, which was completely unnecessary because she started out drop-dead gorgeous. I wonder if she felt pressured to do that or what? Like Kim Kardashian – she was so pretty before and just turned herself into some kind of weird ‘plastic pretty.’ I mean, a woman can do whatever she wants to her body, I just find it kind of sad and wonder if they are really happy with those choices.

  23. SJhere says:

    She was such a natural beauty, a shame she’s done whatever it was to her face.
    I’d like to say I agree with her and also say that no one cares for workers in a lot of jobs that pay next to nothing.
    I like her. I hope she gets to live by her choices. I would assume she has more $ and more choices in life than many, many others.

  24. Layla Love says:

    This stunning woman has joker lines on her face from plastic surgery ! Our culture of so called beauty needs a reboot FAST!

    • magnoliarose says:

      Agreed. The butchering and injecting needs to tone WAAY down. I feel sorry for her. She is a victim of her own beauty, and how others reacted to it. Women practically kick a beautiful woman out of the club and relish the downfall and men want to use it up for their own satisfaction and status.
      It is not easy to own it, and I don’t think she ever did.
      Her poor face. :(

  25. Em says:

    Re the ‘I don’t dress for Brian’ remark. My grandmother who would be 120 if she was still with us always said …..”women don’t dress for men , they dress for other women”.

  26. Bahare says:

    I wish I could find an article a couple years ago where she talks about her struggle to not keep messing with her face.She also talked about the process of removing her many tattoos. Does anyone else remember this?

  27. Texasho says:

    I can’t take her seriously. Firstly because of her taste in men, and secondly because she looks like a porn star who takes money-shots in the face.