Kobe Bryant & Gary Oldman won Oscars last night: how do you feel about that?

90th Annual Academy Awards Press Room

Far be it from me to suggest that the tone and actions of the Academy Awards were seriously “off” last night. There were absolutely some great moments recognizing the new conversations we’re having, conversations about inclusion and diversity and feminism and race and Time’s Up and Me Too. In the past year, predators like Harvey Weinstein and Brett Ratner and Russell Simmons have been publicly called out and shamed and are still being investigated. But last night was also the night where a corporation chose an accused sexual predator, Ryan Seacrest, to anchor one of their most lucrative and well-known properties. This was a night where the Best Actor Oscar winner was once accused of violently assaulting his wife. And this was a night where Kobe Bryant won an Oscar.

Kobe won the Animated Short Feature Oscar for Dear Basketball. He went on stage and spoke at the microphone. People applauded him – there are a lot of LA Lakers fans in LA, obviously. But in 2003, Kobe Bryant was accused of raping a teenager in a hotel in Colorado. Before the Oscars telecast, there was already a petition:

More than 16,000 people have signed an online petition to revoke Kobe Bryant’s Oscar nomination, created in late January, after the NBA star was accused of raping a teenage girl in 2003. Fifteen years before the world’s current reckoning with sexual misconduct and the consequential downfall of many powerful men, Bryant allegedly raped a 19-year-old hotel employee in Colorado — an accusation that resurfaced after the NBA star was nominated for Best Animated Short, which he won at the Oscars 2018 ceremony tonight.

“The Oscars almost avoided nominating sexual predators for awards,” the petition reads. “Woody Allen and James Franco didn’t get anything. But Kobe Bryant, who was charged with a horrific sexual assault, was nominated.”

In 2003, the hotel employee filed a police affidavit accusing Bryant of sexual assault. At first, Bryant denied the encounter altogether; later, he told police that he and the alleged victim had consensual sex. Just before the trial, the woman decided not to testify and the charges were dropped, after which she filed a civil suit and settled out of court with Bryant for an unknown amount.

The new petition was created by Kelsey Bourgeois, who recently explained to Broadly why she was compelled to launch the campaign to rescind Bryant’s nomination.

“He settled with his accuser. So in my mind, that doesn’t really make him innocent — it just makes him able to pay off someone who he wronged,” she said. “I, of course, couldn’t possibly know what actually happened. But we have to believe women, especially when they accuse men who are typically ‘above the law,’ so to speak.”

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The after-action reporting is coming in and Kobe and Gary Oldman’s Oscar wins are being called “tragic” for where we are in the Time’s Up conversation. To be clear – and because this is the dumb argument being made by dumb people – no one is suggesting that we throw Gary Oldman and Kobe Bryant in jail based off an accusation. This is not about jail, or criminal prosecution. This is about believing women. This is about giving problematic men AWARDS as a way to say that we don’t believe women. This is about how men can be accused of terrible things and still have it all: the platform, the love, the awards. It is a tragedy.

90th Annual Academy Awards Press Room

90th Annual Academy Awards Press Room

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  1. Nicole says:

    The same way I felt about everyone wearing black, taking MeToo without credit (until later) and abusers wearing pins in solidarity:
    A lot of Hollywood is smoke and mirrors and lip service. When it get down to it many many people won’t do a thing. Sure there are some that actually believe in what they are saying. But many are too invested, involved with this crap system to do much.
    So was I surprised. No.

    • PPP says:

      I know she has tone issues, but Rose McGowan pointed out Time’s Up is run out of CAA, whose agents were definitely walking unsuspecting actresses into the rape den. They should be in the middle of an internal investigation, not fronting Time’s Up. But Alyssa Milano and Reese Witherspoon are married to CAA guys. Milano’s buddy Georgina still hasn’t filed for divorce. McGowan called Time’s Up a smokescreen and I can’t say I disagree, although it’s a shame so many women’s earnest efforts are being undermined.

      • Nicole says:

        I mean I knew that. It’s the reason I didn’t donate to the defense fund. CAA is shady af. Milano also took MeToo from Burke and had to be dragged within an inch of her life by black twitter to admit it.
        I think there are people like Brie Larson, Mira Sorvino, America Ferrera and Tessa Thompson who mean what they say. Mostly because they’ve been consistent before this blew up. But I don’t believe anything that comes from Alyssa and I go back and forth on Reece.

      • iseepinkelefants says:

        There was a story elsewhere that Georgina was pretty far along in the divorce proceedings. I think it was the Daily Mail.

    • Ozogirl says:

      Yup, totally agree. Most of them are massive hypocrites who jump on a bandwagon but quickly jump off when it comes to their friends.

    • citney says:

      Wow, a rapist and a wife beater, glad I forgot the Oscars was even on.

  2. SK says:

    There’s a great article on Jezebel by Diana Moskovitz about Bryant. Honestly the whole thing makes me sick and angry but it doesn’t surprise me at all. A 19 year old girl left his room and was witnessed to be shaken and crying. She did all the “right” things. She went straight to police and reported it. She had blood in her underwear and he had her blood on his shirt. His lawyer smeared this poor girl suggesting that the sex she’d had with other partners was the reason for the bleeding. The media and fans smeared her and made her seem like a mentally unstable slut. It was an appalling moment in history. As someone who has been raped I have no forgiveness for Bryant or any other rapists (no alleged here). Everyone who voted for him should be ashamed.

    I already commented on Gary and Ryan on other posts but let’s just say I wasn’t happy about any of them.

    • PPP says:

      They actually changed rape shield laws because of how the victim was treated. He had other victims who ceased to cooperate after the victim was trashed. Rape reports at the victims school fell hugely that year, and how that case played out likely held hundreds of women back from reporting their rapes.

      • FLORC says:

        You know what happened was wrong and criminal. You do what you’re told and go to the police. You understand on some level you will be questioned and attacked to be discredited, but you never get how horrible it becomes. You’re put on trial. It has been and continues to be a major deterrent.

        The SANE nurse report was horrible.
        He buys his wife jewels. Says he’s super sorry she felt hurt. Pays a pr rehab agency around 100k. Keeps his contracts. Wins an Oscar.

    • Merritt says:

      His defense team also leaked her personal info because they wanted her to be harassed and get death threats.

    • WingKingdom says:

      Yep yep. What he and his legal team did to his victim AFTER the assault was as bad as the assault itself and provided all the proof anyone should need to find him guilty. And indeed, how many women were afraid to report after they saw that? F Kobe Bryant forever.

    • Tiffany :) says:

      For some reason, sexist radio jock Tom Leykis took my call on his radio show about this matter. They were trying to smear the victim because she supposedly had sperm from other people in her underwear. I pointed out to Tom, that sperm doesn’t get fully washed out on a microscopic level from being through the washing machine once. Fragments can stay in your garments around 6 or 7 machine washings. Just because they found fragments doesn’t mean they have proof that she was intimate with others in a short period of time (not that it would matter anyway).

    • Otaku fairy says:

      All of that is awful. I believe both of these men’s victims.
      @Tiffany: Wow. Learn something new every day, I guess.

  3. grabbyhands says:

    Mostly I felt like, “well I hope no one gets raped or beaten in a hotel room tonight”.

    It really pains me to feel this way about Gary Oldman. I think when I was younger (it pains me that I was this naive), I wrote off his jackassery as being the volatility of an actor and he was like the old school actors of live fast, die hard. He’s just such a tremendous actor.

    Last night, it was just bittersweet to see him win this award. Watching his wife (who looks like the female version of him, tbh) get all teary eyed and thinking “I wonder if she is ever nervous that he is going to lose his shit on her?”.

  4. PoodleMama says:

    My thought on Kobe winning was that did they just get tired of the sexual predators that already work in Hollywood so they brought in ones from other industries?

    And Gary oldman…bad movie, bad man.

    • FLORC says:

      That’s the other thing here. Gary wasn’t even good! Churchill is a point of interest for me. The time. The man. The controversy. All fascinating. And Gary did an awful job. The movie was meh imo. WC is a figure that has been well covered. Nothing original. And he wins an Oscar?

  5. Lucy says:

    Well, last night I was pretty happy for Kobe. Not so much anymore, knowing what I know now.

  6. CharlieBouquet says:

    I’ve lost interest in Hollywood. Once actors became product promoters, messy lives exposed, pedophilia and sexual assault in all corners. There is no glamour or mystery like when I was a kid. Blah.

    • QueenB says:

      The mystery from your childhood was just covering up all of that. The harassment was even worse back then.

  7. Neelyo says:

    Another typical day at the Oscars: lip service to progress, reward the establishment.

  8. Kate says:

    Kobe’s win is especially jaw-dropping because he is not even part of the industry, there is no “he is overdue for an Oscar” with him, and yet…
    Also, Kobe released a statement that straight up said that after listenning to his accuser’s testimony and her lawyers, he now understood she had not consented to a sexual relationship with him. Non-consensual sex =rape. He is a self-admitting rapist.

  9. Eric says:

    What a trio. Maybe there needs to be a billboard up on Hollywood Blvd with their faces on it and a message:

    GET OUT

  10. macy says:

    I don’t think his case is the one to rest the movement on.

    • PPP says:

      I really, really suggest you read this:

      https://thinkprogress.org/the-legacy-of-the-kobe-bryant-rape-case-6a42f159be7b/

      The alleged victim was smeared and her name was outed and she had to move. She was treated so badly she dropped out but did have a good enough civil case that he settled. She didn’t lose the court case, she dropped it because it wasn’t worth it. You’re going to have to get real specific about these abnormalities, or you’re going to have to step all the way back.

      • anika says:

        +1000

      • klc says:

        I had forgotten the details about the rape case against Kobe, last night after some googling I was appalled.

        It wasn’t a he/she said. She had trauma consistent with rape and her blood was found on his t-shirt.

        How could anyone think she was lying? The media shielded him and his attorney’s shielded him.

      • PPP says:

        I’m going to point out that Macy changed her post. Originally she said there were a lot of inconsistencies in the case and implied the victim was a liar.

        I don’t play.

      • Umyeah says:

        PPP i just noticed the comment changed….hmmmmmm

      • stinky says:

        (there were never any inconsistencies, btw)

    • littlemissnaughty says:

      He bascally admitted to raping her. Come on now. He admitted to not having her consent to choking her. Come ON.

      • pan says:

        he said he believed she consented but he saw that she feels did not. Hardly an admission of guilt but lawyer speak to make everyone happy and kill a case. Black man white chic in front of white jury? You. Write. Anything. She. Wants. To not face that. I am so shocked how this “believe women” saying forgets about history and today for that matter, (see white woman who claimed she was kidnapped by three black men for sh1ts and giggles) and how cruel it is to black men because white women were believed. you take accusations seriously as if it is true and investigate. but just believe because you’re a woman? nope.

      • Umyeah says:

        Pan, there are also incidents of black women falsly accusing white men of rape but i know those are a small percentage and not indictive of reality. Also its not like Kobe is just any black man, he is a rich althelete so your assememt of the trail may need more consideration. Example, Nicole Brown Simpson is still looking for justice.

      • littlemissnaughty says:

        Except she had nothing to gain, did she? She received death threats but sure, it was all fun and games. I did not forget about history, thank you very much. But you seem to have forgotten that black or white, when it comes to a male celebrity/athlete of his status, the woman will always eat it. And she did. His career again flourished. But yeah, let’s assume she did that for fun.

    • Umyeah says:

      So Macy you dont believe victims????

      • cate says:

        it sickens me that people will find any reason to believe the perpetrator’s claims of innocence when it suits them despite all the evidence. does it suck when people you look up to turn out to be monsters, of course but to stand alongside them and demean a victim of sexual violence, is abhorrent. so so gross.

  11. Merritt says:

    I didn’t even bother to watch the Oscars last night. Between the nominations of people like Oldman and Bryant along with E! insisting on having Seacrest on the red carpet, it was clear that the industry is not interested in real change.

  12. Fan of Nobody says:

    meant non-consenting SADISM not bdsm

  13. hey-ya says:

    ….well I didnt see that many #timesup pins on the stars so I thought ‘same ol same ol’…

  14. macy says:

    These awards are based on perceived talent. They’re also often meaningless. Obama won a Nobel peace prize on the middle of two wars. I read the Kobe accusers account. It’s awful. Gary’s ex has me confused. I don’t know who to believe btwn Gary and his ex. But I keep coming back to this: these aren’t awards for Best People.

  15. Patty says:

    It’s a pity to lump the two together. Two very different issues and two very different stories.

  16. Jellybean says:

    I am sorry, but Gary Oldman’s ex-wife’s accusations were tested in court resulting in him getting full custody of the children. He might be difficult to live with and be prone to saying stupid things, but that doesn’t make him a monster. I, like everyone else here, have no idea what really happened between him and his ex, but if two different courts gave both her husbands custody of their children, despite her accusations of abuse in both cases, then I am prepared to step back from the ‘always believe the woman’ doctrine and ‘I don’t know’ doesn’t warrant ruining someone’s career in my opinion.

    • Layla Beans says:

      ^This. Donya Fiorentino lost custody of her kids to Oldman, as well as her daughter with David Fincher, to Fincher. His first wife has a good relationship with him, too. Uma Thurman and Isabella Rosselini have never said a word about him. He might have been a lousy husband, but in this case (like in the shady one involving Paul Haggis) I am not rushing to cancel him.

    • Kate says:

      “Stupid things”?? He said flat-out anti-semitic, sexist, racist stuff.

    • Merritt says:

      You do realize courts have frequently given violent men shared or full custody?

      • Layla Beans says:

        I think we’re just pointing out that in this particular case, the accuser is problematic leading us to think that Oldman isn’t necessarily like the others. Fiorentino lost custody of her daughter to David Fincher prior to her marriage to Oldman. She lost custody of her sons to Oldman after a lengthy court case. All three of her children have little to do with her, and seemingly good relationships with their respective dads and siblings. Oldman’s first wife and son have a good relationship with him. His 2nd wife, Uma Thurman, ex-gf Isabella Rosselini and 4th wife have said nothing about him to lead anyone to think they had been abused. Given Thurman’s recent blast to Weinstein and Tarentino, you could assume she would have blasted Oldman too if he was an abuser to her. Oldman may have been a bad husband and a drunken womanizer, but it doesn’t mean he’s an abuser given the mess Fiorentino was and is. I weigh heavily toward the women most of the time when they report abuse, but I keep my eyes open too. This case, and the ones involving Haggis and Fassbender don’t pass the sniff test with the evidence presented.

      • Merritt says:

        She lost custody because she was actively abusing drugs. That is a separate issue. Studies have shown that addicts are vulnerable to abuse. And the way Oldman has pretended to be the injured party is a textbook abuser tactic.

        You are also making an incorrect assumption that abusers are violent in all their romantic relationships. That is false.

      • JosieH says:

        “And the way Oldman has pretended to be the injured party is a textbook abuser tactic.”

        Uh, it’s also a textbook “injured party” tactic.

        You’re basically saying if anybody says they’re innocent of something, they’re automatically guilty because proclaiming your innocence is a “textbook abuser tactic.” Makes no sense.

      • Dolkite says:

        Women get the kids more than 8 times out of 10. Men are also significantly less likely to be awarded child support if they end up with the kids.

      • Merritt says:

        Not in cases where the mother has a documented history of drug abuse.

        Also more people share custody than not.

        Another important point is that Donya has never made abuse allegations against FIncher. She has only made the same consistent allegations against Oldman. So the narrative that she accused Oldman out of spite doesn’t pas the smell test.

        So Oldman fans can continue to blame the victim, but it doesn’t change the reality that Oldman is an abusive bigot.

  17. Pat says:

    You people DO know that the woman who is making those claims against Gary Oldman is the same woman wouldn’t get off drugs and alcohol, as Gary had done, so he went to court to get custody of the children, and won? You know that, right? Certainly, she has reasons to want to “get back at him”. And you DO know that this take-down has been enabled by a bunch of Timothee cultists?

  18. thaliasghost says:

    I’m so tired of the world celebrating men for DOING SPORTS. You can count the intelligent,educated and socially and politically involved athletes on one hand. Colin Kaepernick and the Klitschkos, that’s all I got.

    • Dolkite says:

      What about women being celebrated? I know men get more acclaim, but women are doing the same things the men are: playing a kids’ game to entertain others.

      Also, a great number of people aren’t interested in the political opinions of athletes (and not just Kaepernick) and think they should shut up and play ball.

  19. SM says:

    Honestly, I did not know about Kobe Bryant. This is terrible. Not to defend Franco, because he is a douch and a harasser, but this is so bad and no one actualy did anything before he won.

  20. Shappalled says:

    Not surprising. Stranger still is that the Hollywood insiders didn’t seem to realize that Get Out was actually taking aim at asshole like them.

  21. Ally says:

    I don’t know why Kobe Bryant’s apology has gone down the memory hole. It appears in this excellent article:

    https://www.thenation.com/article/wrestling-in-with-kobe-bryants-forgotten-apology/

    It validates the victim’s view and at least takes some minimal responsibility. But I don’t know how any of his sportboys can still claim that nobody knows what happened or who’s to blame.

  22. cate says:

    kobe violently assaulted and raped that girl. the report and transcripts are beyond disturbing. the trauma she endured, physically, mentally etc is appalling. he is one evil bastard. i dont give a crap about his sports skills etc. he is a monster and they gave him an oscar. what a joke. hollywood is disgusting. they clapped. so much for waking up to rape culture. and all the men who violently attack any women who dare call kobe a rapist, is beyond disturbing. they will defend another man, even one they will never meet, with such passion and conviction and hate, it really is unbelievable. and as a survivor, this is tough to see.

  23. CLTEX84 says:

    Why would anyone be surprised? Whether you agree or disagree, this is the same group of people who awarded Roman Polanski with an Oscar, a convicted and admitted child rapist, and people like Meryl Streep gave him a standing ovation. Hollywood, like society, has short attention spans, and its not surprising people forget about the Kobe Bryant situation because they were too devoted to him on the court. In terms of Gary Oldman, I hesitate to believe that, as the ex lost all of her children to two different husbands, and no one else has come out and talked about him behind closed doors or his on set behavior. What loses the luster of #MeToo is we’re expecting hypocrites to not be hypocrites. That’s not going to happen. No one will be talking about this two months from now, a year from now, etc., because no one will really take it to all those involved and responsible.