Katie Nicholl: Meghan Markle was convinced the British press was ‘out to get her’

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle visit Birmingham

Meghan Markle and Prince Harry will be getting married exactly two months from today, on May 19th. It will be very exciting! I’m looking forward to it, and I still have high hopes for the wedding dress (short-term) and for the marriage (long-term). It’s no secret that people are gunning for Meghan though, and many of those people are in the British press. So I can’t help but find it very shady that Katie Nicholl has written a book about Meghan and Harry’s courtship called Harry: Life, Loss, and Love. Nicholl is best known – to me – for being ride-or-die for the Duchess of Cambridge. Nicholl is a very Middleton-friendly royal journalist, with sources deep within the Middleton camp. Now we’re supposed to believe that Nicholl has the inside track on Harry and Meghan? Do you believe that? Hm. Anyway, Vanity Fair has published an exclusive excerpt from Nicholl’s book, which you can read here. Some highlights:

Harry & Meghan’s first month together, in hiding: Like his brother, Harry enjoyed outfoxing the media, and while he was disappointed the story had broken, he knew he was lucky to have enjoyed several months getting to know Meghan without press scrutiny. When the story broke, Harry happened to be with Meghan in Toronto. He was apparently taken by surprise when his aides called to tell him the story was going to be front-page news and knew that very soon he and Meghan would be under siege. A story was leaked that Harry had canceled a flight to Toronto to try and make it look like he was in the U.K., but photographers and reporters descended on Meghan’s home regardless.

They stayed with the Mulroneys when the story broke: When Meghan suggested they go to stay with her friends Ben and Jessica Mulroney, Harry agreed. The Mulroneys were two of the few friends who knew about the romance, and they were more than happy to let the couple take shelter from the paparazzi at their Toronto house. Jessica, a stylist, is one of Meghan’s best friends, while Ben is a TV host who presents CTV’s entertainment news program etalk. Harry had become friendly with them both and was a big hit with the couple’s three young children, 7-year-old twins Brian and John, and their 4-year-old daughter, Isobel.

November 2016, Harry fights back: By early November, Meghan asked her bosses on Suits for a break in filming and flew to London to be with Harry for what was meant to be a romantic getaway. But the trip proved to be stressful. The Sun newspaper had that week published a front-page story that some of Meghan’s racy scenes from Suits were being trailed on a p0rn Web site…Meghan was horrified, telling friends she was convinced that the British press was “out to get her.” It was the final straw for Harry who, according to a source, “completely flipped” when he read the story. He decided to issue a direct statement to the press. It was to be a warning shot to Fleet Street and all the social-media trolls whose hateful comments Harry had unwisely read on Twitter and the Internet.

It was Harry’s call to release a statement: Meghan, who was in London with Harry at the time the statement was released, was supportive. According to a source: “They were Harry’s words and sentiments, but Meghan was worried about her safety and particularly upset and distressed that her mother was being hounded for comment, and Harry made sure that particular issue was addressed.” After working on several versions, Harry marched across the cobbled courtyard to Apartment 8 at Kensington Palace where his office is based, to hand the statement to his press secretary, Jason Knauf.

Harry faced a ton of backlash for releasing the statement protecting Meghan:
There was criticism that Prince Harry’s team of courtiers had not done enough to convince him to issue a less divisive statement, but Harry had wanted to take a swipe at the press and truly felt that a line had been crossed. Staff at Clarence House were said to be surprised by the overtly personal nature of the statement, as well as its timing. Charles was overseas on an important diplomatic tour of the Middle East at the time, and although aides would not confirm whether he had been consulted about the statement before it went out, it took the focus firmly off the Prince of Wales’s visit.

[From Vanity Fair]

Nicholl’s summary of what happened in those months is very heavy-handed on the “Harry is impulsive and passionate instead of calm and judicious like William” which is a terrible take. I believe Harry is passionate and perhaps a bit impulsive, perhaps limited in his ability to think of long-term strategies (something he gets from his late mother). But it’s the comparison to wise & trusty William which leaves me cold – I get the feeling that Nicholl’s book is mostly about Poor Prince Harry Who Will Never Be As Brilliant As Prince William (And Meghan Will Never Be As Keen As Kate). Blah.

Meghan Markle, wearing a white Stephen Jones beret and a matching Amanda Wakeley crombie coat, attends the Commonwealth Day service at Westminster Abbey with her fiance Prince Harry

Meghan Markle and Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge attend the first annual Royal Foundation Forum held at Aviva in London

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  1. Talie says:

    Most of it feels like conjecture…you can tell she does not have the same sourcing with these two. I mean, Katie was practically Kate’s mouthpiece for, like, a decade.

    I actually think Lainey Gossip knows a lot of tea due to knowing all the Canadians in this scenario, and you can see that when she spills little bits that no one else has on her blog. I often wonder if she ever met with Meghan has well.

    • Torontoe says:

      When MM and Harry’s relationship was exposed Lainey said that she had met her and she was very nice.

      Lainey works with Ben Mulroney so she does have legitimate sourcing, but I find she is a sometimes a little too enthusiastic when discussing MM. Example last weeks commonwealth photos had her remarking that MM has the same magic as Diana. She is totally entitled to really like MM, but some of it seems just as over the top as the “keen” articles in British press.

      • lobbit says:

        That’s Lainey, though. She has her favorites – and her “shitlisters” – and she goes hard for both. She’s not a news reporter, though, so objectivity isn’t a requirement.

        Anyway, I’ve definitely seen a pic of Lainey with Meghan and others from that whole Toronto set, so while they might not be friends, they definitely know each other.

      • Katie Nicholls who came up with the lie that Harry told a “friend” that he wanted a girl like MM. She is a good storyteller but very short on facts IMHO.

      • Pandy says:

        Well, Lainey is in show biz herself now, so she’s not really objective anymore. Notice that everything is nicey nice on her site now? Dull.

        Do have to say that article was fatiguing to get through … I think I’m going to click on HRH stories just for the fashion porn.

      • Truth teller says:

        Katie Nicholl goes hard for Kate because they are exactly the same. Entitled and spoiled. Katie Nicholl was a 3am girl, a job she got through her fathers connections. Then as her dad was getting older and close to retiring, she was basically groomed to take over his place as royal commentator. Her mother worked for an American network and that’s essentially how she was made.

    • cass says:

      ITA with your point about Lainey – she works with Ben on etalk and probably knows quite a bit. She must be sworn to secrecy though because precious little is revealed on her blog or her other show The Social.

      • OriginalLala says:

        how did I never put two and two together that Lainey of Lainey Gossip was Lainey from etalk !?! guess I dont read her site closely enough!

      • Pia says:

        This. It feels like Lainey loses her edge when writing MM articles. I am over the fawning. An example is Meghan’s Ralph Russo engagement photo dress. Lainey would normally criticize a dress like this on someone else for being too pedestrian. But in her article
        …the fawning ensues.

    • Cee says:

      I think she’s met Meghan before. She once wrote something about a dinner they shared with a group of friends.

    • Millie says:

      The only thing in the exerpt that was news to me is the mentions of staying with the Mulroneys after the news broke. Everything else feels like something that is easily “sourced” online. I agree that she doesn’t seem to have any real insider info.

      As for Lainey, she’s met Meghan at least twice. Once was at a dinner, as previously mentioned by others. The second time, Meghan didn’t remember having met Lainey which Lainey was (publically, at least) understanding about so, apparently, no major connection was made between the two. The way Lainey talked about it, it seems like at least the first event was pre-Harry announcement. Lainey seems to be keeping any inside info she has pretty secretive. On one of her podcasts, Sasha, whom she works with, was talking about how she felt like things had changed for Meghan (she’d seen Meghan at SoHo House in Toronto) and Lainey was just asking Sasha questions rather than volunteering any info herself.

    • Umyeah says:

      Lainey runs a gosdip blog, if she knew the MM and Harry were together she would have released it bc it would have meant huge exposure for her. I think since its become common knowledge Lainey has some tidbits but nothing ground breaking.

      • Cee says:

        She works with Mulroney on The Social, and is friends with his wife, Meghan’s friend. She would not risk her livelihood.

      • Umyeah says:

        Mulroney doesnt worh on The Social, the work together on Etalk, but those positions all came as a result of the blog. Also Mulroney doesnt own CTV so how is she risking her livelihood?

      • Cee says:

        I actually thought they worked together on the social and that it was the same as etalk LOL

      • Umyeah says:

        @cee easy to confuse since half of the on air talent is on both shows.

      • katie3 says:

        As someone pointed out both E-talk and the Social are CTV- owned (as is BEn’s morning show “your morning) and Ben is considered to be a big cheese at the network. Even though Lainey’s blog is independent, it would not be in her best interest to use info she gets via her contact with Ben on her blog.

      • Shotcaller says:

        When celeb insiders talk too much they lose access. William and Harry were known to leak false stories to friends in order to tease out snitches. If Lainey scooped too many stories she would be dropped from her social circle rather quickly.

      • Digital Unicorn says:

        Lainey knows more than she is telling and I suspect that she was ‘asked’ to keep quiet about it – exposing the relationship before the couple were ready to go public would have affect her gig at eTalk – as others have said Meghan has friends on the network.

      • Umyeah says:

        As someone said below “i am not on the side of anyone who is friends with the mulroneys”. If you arent Canadian take some time to read about Ben’s shady thieving father who helped create a career for Ben. The fact lainey will call out so many others for lesser things but plays buddy with Ben says everythimg.

      • Umyeah says:

        Also the Mulroneys have been long time friends with Trump

      • sienna says:

        And the Trudeaus were long time friends with Fidel Castro. I don’t blame either son for the sins of their fathers.

      • M.A.F. says:

        Lainey has hinted before on other stories about other celebrities but she keeps her cards close because she is also on a TV show. If she were to start spilling on her blog, who would want to be on the talk show?

      • Peeking in says:

        Umyeah- Lainey was working for eTalk long before she started Lainey Gossip. The Social came after the blog and eTalk, where she also works with Traci Melchor, one of the original hosts on The Social.

      • Jenns says:

        Peeking in, actually she had the Blog long before she began on TV. Check out her history, it’s pretty cool. She began a “newsletter” with friends, commenting on gossip, while she was taking care of her mom. That grew and she eventually created LaineyGossip. After that grew in popularity, she began doing small segments on E-Talk, which blossomed into the career she has today. The only reason she began on e-Talk is because of LaineyGossip.

      • Nic919 says:

        Lainey started her blog about 15 years ago and from there the blog got her attention to do spots on etalk. Eventually she moved from Vancouver, where she was based, to Toronto, to do the Social tv show and be closer to her mom.

        And while Ben Mulroney doesn’t own CTV, he is probably the top paid host and if Lainey was spilling dirt about Harry and Meghan staying at his place, there would be issues at work. Lainey is not the former PM’s son and wouldn’t win if Ben wanted her gone. Plus Canadian media circles are small and this would affect her employment possibilities across the board.

      • FLORC says:

        I’m with the “lainey knows how to keep quiet” camp. She runs gossip, but that doesn’t mean she doesn’t know how to not spill and keep sources at ease. There’s timing and finesse here if you want to survive and build connections.

    • magnoliarose says:

      Lainey would know the Canadian gossip pretty well I would think. She apparently likes Meghan and has some inside information. But I doubt she would tell things that Ben M. might have said to her off the record.

      Bloggers are people, and all of them have certain celebrities they like. If I recall she always loved Harry. *shrug*

      • FLORC says:

        Idk if it’s been hit already, but didn’t KN already not like Harry? Meaning she ran in that circle early into Kate date years. And she just didn’t care for him. Then got her footing with some hugely sugarcoated Kate articles and that’s where she’s at.
        So, I very much doubt there’s more than a narrative wanted by the Middleton there. Or rather a narrative that can be used in a complimentary way for w, k, or the Midds later.

    • KBB says:

      Lainey put out that blind item about Kate not offering to give Meghan a ride to some shopping area where they were both headed. Meghan was walking and Kate was driving. I don’t think she’d write that unless Jessica had told her it was okay and I’m guessing Jessica wouldn’t say that unless Meghan told her it was okay.

      • Scram says:

        Whether Lainey knows a person or likes them she’s still a gossip blogger and a sh*t stirrer by nature. She also tried it with the adjectives on that consent letter. I don’t think that blind necessarily meant anything and I also don’t know what the purpose of it would be if it came from Meghan’s side. She’s better off at least seeming to get along with Kate.

  2. Jenni says:

    For a while now MM has enjoyed favourable coverage from the British media.

    • Goats on the Roof says:

      I would hardly call smear pieces with quotes and pics from her former friend and half-siblings favorable…

      • magnoliarose says:

        She’s had no pass. They implied she grew up in the ghetto in a rough neighborhood and said horrible racist tripe about her mother. They were terrible for a long time. Only now have they turned around some because they see they will be cut off William style if they don’t tone it down.

      • FLORC says:

        It’s both ways. They’ve done the fluff because it’s there. It’s real. It sells. And the negative smear because he’s the spare. Controversy sells. Her siblings sought out pay days for dirt. And there’s a terrible racial issue that shouldn’t have been or be an issue.

        The press could have been worse. The press could have been better. They blocked out uncle Gary and his child companion horribleness. The gloating and drugs on camera. The direct link to William and Kate on that. With so much else. So, yes they could have been more kind. They could also have been worse to MM. Given more time to her terrible siblings and the race criticism. However, that wouldn’t reflect kindly on the publication so idk.

        Imo… things will only get worse for her. She will become Fergie to Diana. Even if every step is right.

      • Diana was competent and media savvy, Kate likes to hide and let others do the work. Am sure the media will try that narrative which is probably why Harry got a person that was used to working with the media.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Because “Straight Outta Compton” headlines and bashing Harry for a statement calling out press racism is “favorable”?

    • lobbit says:


    • Jack Daniels is my Patronus says:

      Or the article about “niggling” feelings…… Nope. Not favorable at all.

  3. Linda says:

    I am not on the side of anyone who is friends with the Mulroneys.

    • cass says:

      Notwithstanding all that’s been said about them being social climbers, I do think the Jessica – Megan friendship is genuine as it pre-dates the Harry romance and Megan was never an a-list actress who would be easily recognized. Ben comes across as being smug and self-entitled and can’t take criticism – any time he is called out on twitter he engages in a back and forth war I’ve noticed (and I don’t look at his account very often, it’s just linked from the CTV “Your MOrning” twitter.

      • CynicalCeleste says:

        I think the only thing that gives me pause with MM is her “best friendship” with jessica mulroney. that woman is about as deep as a cookie sheet.

      • Carrie1 says:

        And Jessica is also stylist and close friend of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s wife Sophie. The Mulroney and Trudeau kids are close friends. The only time Brian Mulroney speaks about Justin, he always says good things in support of him. That fascinates me actually because Brian is such a BSer, much like Trump, and famously irked constantly by Justin’s dad Pierre. These kids… lol It’s all a bit fascinating really.

        Oh wow… I just realized… the Queen LOVED Pierre Trudeau. And Jean Chrétien. I wonder if any of this had bearing on her fast acceptance of Meghan, since Meghan knows the circle of kids and adults in that same group?

    • Umyeah says:

      Ugh agreed @Linda. Bens father, a former prime minister, stole $2 million from Canadians so I have little faith in the Mulroney family

      • Citresse says:

        He stole more than 80 million CAD from CDN taxpayers and hid most of it in Zurich and Lichtenstein. Then there was the German businessman …..there were lots of US currency stolen there too. Caroline Mulroney recently lost the provincial race. Ford nation is not great either but at least they give back in some way: volunteer work etc…

      • Nic919 says:

        Ford nation is horrible. Doug was a hash supplier in the 80s and you don’t get access like that unless you have ties to the criminal underground. He now wants to privatize the soon to be legalized marijuana locations and give his buddies the profits. Everyone who hated the Mike Harris cuts will get the same short sighted slashes along with a dose of bigotry stupidity and lining the Ford family pockets. They are the northern trumps. And checking into Deco Labels will show a lot of sketchy business too.

      • PiMo says:

        Don’t even with Ford nation please. I’d rather neither.

      • Citresse says:

        They’re (elected officials) all scary in some way. “Absolute power corrupts absolutely.” I can’t stand voting. Then I get people angry at me because I didn’t vote. I can’t win.

    • lobbit says:

      We’re to take sides now? There are sides?

    • CynicalCeleste says:

      oops, double post

  4. Ehhh says:

    What lol? I thought the excerpts were flattering to Harry and Meghan. Did I miss where she compared him to William?

    • KBB says:

      Yeah, I didn’t read anything negative into those excerpts either. And I don’t see it as Harry being impulsive, I see it as him being forceful in his defense of her – which makes me like him more, not less. William would never do something like that for Kate.

    • M.A.F. says:

      I didn’t read anything negative either. Harry just took a different approach than William that is all.

  5. Citresse says:

    I don’t know MM. However, I’m betting she’s a good person with good intentions. I believe from watching news clips of her with regard to UN involvement etc, she wants to make a difference. I believe even William wants to make a difference. But they get bogged down by the BP men in grey suits and many others……it’s a vicious circle really.

  6. AbbyRose says:

    Nicholl writes favorable articles and books, so it makes sense the Middletons and now Meghan would use her to get their side of the story out there. I believe she has gotten this information from people close to Meghan and Harry, yes.

    I’ll be interested to read how Nicholl handles the sketchy timeline of the beginning of M&H’s relationship and whether or not she was still living with her boyfriend. My guess is she will write it up in a way that is 100% favorable to Meghan, again signaling she has MM’s blessing and indirect cooperation on the book.

    • ScottieIsBack says:

      So close to Meghan and Harry that shortly before the engagement she came on TV and said that Harry’s good friend told her taht he had been in love with Meghan for 2 years after watchng her on Suits. Yeah, I think she is close to them lol.
      Luckily she has had the good grace to stay away from UK TV since. Bless.

    • Veronica says:

      I have a different view – I can see the Middleton’s dropping dirt on Harry and Meghan. Unfavorable gossip.
      And Harry writing that angry letter – he is a dimwit, for sure, and showing his anger and making threats he can’t follow through on show what a dolt he is.
      I doubt he is capable of seeing how things will turn out based on his actions. Piss off the press and they will be there, waiting, for every misstep.

      • The press has been there waiting for all of Harry’s missteps since the BRF started throwing him under the bus as a teen. If the press gave William the same treatment, then that would be something.

  7. Mabs A'Mabbin says:

    Each set of traits has its pros and cons. To pit the brothers against each other like that is seedy. Impulsive and passionate sounds fun and memorable while calm and judicious sounds dependable and predictable. Furthermore, you can’t tell me that William doesn’t have a spark or that Harry can’t get anything done. This writer sounds suspicious and thirsty, so there.

    • Tulip Garden says:

      Yes, imagine both men are multi-faceted! I don’t know why this is so hard for people to reconcile. I also think that they are extremely close which others seem to get upset about as well. I think close siblings are a wonderful bonus, buffer, and source of strength in this world. I hope they do enjoy that kind of relationship as they both have had an extraordinarily singular upbringing and public platform since birth with expectations attached to each from day one. They would certainly be among a rare group that could really commiserate, understand, and celebrate their particular life’s ups and downs.

      • magnoliarose says:

        I have never doubted their closeness. They do typical sibling sniping and I think William gets jealous sometimes but I think when it is all said and done they are tight. I noticed William smiling at Meghan looking like the playful old William and not dour face.
        I am very tight with my siblings, and we have each other’s back above all else. Even though we have our disagreements and they still think I am their baby and not an adult. Lol, Only we know what our lives were like and who we have been from the beginning.
        For Harry and William, it must be even more so since they lost their mother.

  8. AmandaPanda says:

    Or, you know, both are true – Nicholls is a Middleton mouthpiece AND Harry is an entitled, impulsive, immature thicko who is nonetheless charming.

    • Apple Hat says:

      Ding ding ding we have a winner.

      • Harry is not a “thicko” as you put it. He has emotional intelligence and that is his charm. Sure like his mother he is not adept to the long game unlike the social climbing Middletons.

      • magnoliarose says:

        He’s dyslexic that is where that started and because William is no genius they had to make Harry stupid. Which isn’t true. None of them are exceptional in that category.

      • AmandaPanda says:

        Sorry, but I have met Harry on multiple occasions socially and I can assure you he is dumb as a box of rocks. Nothing to do with being dyslexic. Back when I ran with that crowd he was also extremely immature and boorish (albeit charming) – am sure he has matured since then but I suspect he continues to be entitled & impulsive.

      • Apple Hat says:

        Amandapanda, from people who know them both and went to St Andrews with them, William was known to be sweet but “dim” – Harry was actively dumb (it’s not like having his instructor take his exam for him was a one-off) and aggressively frat boy-like.

        He’s sorted himself out in terms of PR – he’s certainly his mother’s son there. But his friends are still pretty scummy. Tom Inskip is the most revolting person I’ve ever met. The #MeToo stories that could be written about that crowd… God help you if you were ever a waitress in their drinking establishments.

      • magnoliarose says:

        What do you mean about dumb? I am only curious.
        I have heard that they aren’t that bright, but I took it to mean average nothing special.
        How long ago was this?
        I am open-minded to it being true, so I am in not in a defensive mode.

        I heard that about some of his friends too. But I do know William hung with some doozies, and there was plenty of snow when he was around. It was years ago though.

      • Apple Hat says:

        Not to speak for Amandapanda, but the type of “dumb” I’ve heard Henry described as is more than the dyslexic excuse and extends to just no interest or knowledge in, well, anything. No knowledge, nothing to discuss. Think Donny Trump Jr.

        And coke wasn’t the main issues with the frat pack like Skippy. I don’t begrudge anyone their drug use. Sexual assault was.

        Again, when people go on about anyone who doesn’t like this union being racist, I laugh. It’s mostly the opposite. Why is a woman who seems to have her head on straight marrying a racist, or at least, a man who throws around racist terms? Why should I put any tax money towards the wedding of a sex pest?

      • magnoliarose says:

        @Apple Hat
        I don’t believe every negative opinion is racist at all. But I think some of them clearly are.

        From personal experience let me say DTJ is in a league of his own and I have met some truly disgusting men in my life. Vile creatures with no souls who leave a trail of absolute destruction in their wake. It would take a lot to compete with him.

      • FLORC says:

        I can’t help, but agree with your opinion here. And you’ve offered enough info on numerous occasions to support where you reside and proximity. It’s also nothing we haven’t heard before, but doesn’t always get carried well in media.
        I get the same impression. I like Harry. I think the push to treat him as the spare to raise up the heir makes him more of the lovable underdog. And not that he actually is that.

      • I think i’ve said it before but i work for this firm and one of the older men that worked there used to be what you guys describe Harry as.
        I thought he was dumb and dismissed him but when he left, we could clearly see the difference in our bottom line.He always seemed like he wasn’t doing anything around the office.
        It’s completely changed the way i think about people like this.

      • Liberty says:

        @formerly, I love your story because I knew two men who were like this as well. The dumb jokey bro types in their firms…then you find out they simply hid their brains. One, to be casual and make others comfortable and at ease. Two, literally to catch people out by having them suspect he was goofy. I have spent time socially in a group with a third man who acts like an immature idiot with a low IQ, but who is wickedly smart and quick hence his firm’s success. He has a scholarly and philosophical bend I never expected.

        Like you, I don’t take people at face value after all that.

    • AmandaPanda says:

      @magnolia – just unbelievably stupid. Actually one of the dumbest people I’ve ever met in my life. No cognitive ability at all. As a PP said, his whole group was very “aggressive frat boy” at the time – i saw him out and about a LOT and it was all pretty sleazy and gross. I met him a few times outside of the nightclub scene too (was dating someone in his extended circle so we used to hang out a bit) and he was more charming (although still pretty skeezy) but as I say just mind bogglingly dopey.

      I remember William & kate being out and about too but not like that. I separately remember sitting next to kate at a dinner party in the earlier years she was dating William – she was perfectly pleasant but very…blank. Interestingly she dropped our mutual friend like a stone a few years later. Which is consistent with the press reports of her having no friends now.

      • PiMo says:

        I am not surprised. While both boys had their days as relatively hot guys, neither is smart. I believe Harry’s case is worse because of the way he speaks (it is hard to listen to him trying to sound deep) and the way he looks. He has a beautiful smile, but his resting face is pretty dumb. It is sad that because of the institution of monarchy, these people are at the top of the food chain. But then Jared, Don Sr & Jr, Ivanka, etc, so the problem is more than monarchy. At least with the latter nobody reveres them and has to call them HRH.

        I am surprised about Kate though. I imagined she wouldn’t be blank. She is very athletic, something I admire. Besides the moments when she flashed her character, like doing the Loser sign to William, gave a glimpse of someone who was playful and more than a blank slate. So I’ve thought. I was wrong.

      • AnneC says:

        All I can think about now when I see Harry is his character in The Windsor’s. Sounds like they may have made him more likable in the TV show, but been spot on with the “he’s not very smart” characterization.

      • magnoliarose says:

        Not surprising, AP.

        I have found men of a certain age from the upper social rungs to be full of entitled creeps, and the aristocrats are among the worst. They can be immature without an original thought in their heads. It is part of the reason why I don’t understand anyone chasing after a title in the last several decades. Of course, not everyone is like that, certainly not the ones I know/known from my personal life but plenty are.

        But a man in his 30s I would not imagine still behaving like that. Most of the gross stories about both of them seemed to be from ages ago. I assumed they grew up. If not then the whole thing needs to fold and be done with it.

    • Rhys says:

      @Amandapanda – so why in hell is meghan marrying this guy? Yeah, yeah, he is a prince but she must be ok with all of it or … be his soulmate?

      • Carrie1 says:

        I believe it’s ambition on her side, more than love. I’m not sure he is aware of that.

    • Sage says:

      Never heard either brother be referred to as a ‘sex pest’…! Only that they partied HARD.
      I wonder if Guy Pelly will be a godfather to the 3rd cambridge baby. supposedly kate can’t stand him but that never stopped billy from hanging out with him.
      Anyhoo, Harry said he went into therapy at 28-29, so at least he is trying to figure out what is wrong with him.

  9. Rumi says:

    Such crap.
    They saw their mother hounded by the press, as a result killed by them. They witnessed the awful treatment within the walls and behind closed doors.
    They know best what approach to take.
    The negative british press surrounding Meghan in the first few months was terrible I actually thought someone was going to physically attack her.

    • Beluga says:

      If she read any of the comments at the Daily Fail, I can’t blame her one bit for worrying about her safety. Some of them were flat out violent.

    • Goats on the Roof says:

      Was Diana really killed by the press? From what I’ve read and seen mentioned here, Diana liked to invite the press in when she had a narrative to sell. Also, wasn’t the driver of her car drunk and going absurdly fast? I’d put her death down to that more than I would the press.

      • Who ARE These People? says:

        Yes, drunk driver going too fast + no wearing seat belts. He was driving fast to evade press cars, but his drunkenness led him to still go faster than he could handle, and lose control in the tunnel.

      • magnoliarose says:

        No, the press didn’t kill her. The drunk driver did. She liked to pretend to be a victim of the press when it suited her, but she used them for her purposes too. I am sure they did overstep and annoy her plenty, but it is impossible to have it both ways.
        Chasing the car had a part but if the driver had been sober and seatbelts in use the outcome would have been different.

      • Shotcaller says:

        All true and the inquest revealed as much but the boys despise the press notwithstanding. Diana learned to play the game but who wouldn’t? The press were often vicious and relentless and the boys were old enough to see this firsthand. Tina Brown writes about instances where the press wanted certain reactions from Dianna so they called her horrible names, including bitch, and yelled out things to her such as is it true that your husband hates you? She would become distressed, often bursting into tears as she tried to hustle the boys into the car or the building and the reporters would get the photographs they were hoping for. The next day the headlines would scream Dianna in tears as Charles checks out of the marriage or some such fare and the accompanying photos would match the headline. Charles hated the press as much as Dianna did and their children are no different.

      • I like how everyone likes to forget how Diana was character assassinated by the Press the year between her divorce and her death. She was on the front covers most of that time and most all the headlines were awful.
        IMO she was killed by the press before she was murdered by a drunk driver.
        I also think that the reason the public reacted in the way that they did is because in the year preceding her death they had partaken in the tearing apart of the woman by buying the papers.

    • bread says:


    • JustBitchy says:

      1. Diana was killed by (a) a drunk driver and (b) not wearing a seatbelt – let’s get that straight
      2. She was hounded by paparazzi but also played to them -that can be a dangerous game a la Pont de Alma
      3. Both kids were subject to way too much information about their parent’s disfunction
      4. Charles was likely a bit on the cold side and Diana was likely way to open with William as a friend vs. child
      5. These boys should be very careful with the press – it is a dangerous game in addition to point #1 – with social media, they really have to watch their step – dumb or not.

    • Lin says:

      I thought Harry didn’t go to St Andrews? Did he go to college/ university? I also think people can be unintelligent in different ways and also change as they get older.

  10. bread says:

    How did the media even find out they were dating in the first place? What was the source? Anyone know?

    • Millie says:

      I have the same question. It’s a UK paper that broke the story while Harry was in Toronto so I’m guessing the source was British. There was mention that Meghan had stayed at Kensington and had met Kate which may not have been true but, in my mind, made it seem like the source was inside the palace.

    • Apple Hat says:

      How do you think?

      It’s been a game. They leaked it in a way that built attention, THEN did the “I must protect my lady’s honour” play from Harry. Standard PR, no shade to the press team that planned it with them, but that’s what happened.

    • Sharon Lea says:

      I thought the press found out because whenever Harry is an a foreign country, the secret service of any local gov’t that he is visiting is alerted, as well as the airport etc etc. Someone likely told someone just on the nature of a ‘big wig’ being in the local mix.

      • Millie says:

        That’s what I assumed too so I don’t understand why it would have been a British paper who broke the story as opposed to a Canadian one.

    • Sage says:

      I believe it was camilla tominey that busted them, but I’m not sure how she found out.

      • Masamf says:

        Camilla Tominey broke the story first. I suspect that she was tipped off by Harry’s camp, i think he wanted it to get out somehow.

      • LAK says:

        Camilla Tominey is a KP favoured journalist who has always had impeccable sources and ties with the household staff even before she became favoured. Actually, she was targeted and charmed into the tent because she was revealing alot of accurate information sourced from the household. She now writes sugary favourable pieces designed to explain away any negative bits of information.

        As for the MM/Harry reveal, it’s pretty obvious this was a PR reveal. Very well done in the way it seemed so hapstance. Given no one knew how Harry would know a Canada based actress with no obvious connection to his circle, Camilla would have to have been a Harry – MM stalker with SAS level powers of observation to make the connection between the 2 of them based on MM’s IG account which she claims is what gave it away.

  11. Keepitreal says:

    More PR sanitization of Ms. Markle. My recommendation to Ms. Markle, not that anyone cares what I think, is to be herself and keep her head down. All of this saccharine, syrupy adoration and projecting is starting to wear on my nerves. I do realize that I am in the minority opinion here, but I believe in earned merit; let the general public figure out for themselves how “great she is, or will be”.

    • Pedro45 says:

      But “earned merit” is the literal opposite of the British Royal Family, or any monarchy, for that matter. Why would it apply to Megan?

  12. TheOriginalMia says:

    Katie Nichols grates. She doesn’t know a thing about Harry & Meghan. I remember when she used to write barbs about Kate until they graced her with the kids’ presence. She’ll write anything to stay in their good graces.

    • Mimi says:

      She has proven to be highly unreliable in her coverage of these two. She was the journo who claimed Harry had a crush on Meghan from watching her on Suits and supposedly told a friend she was his dream girl, a claim they pointedly rebuked in their engagement interview. She doesn’t seem to have any real inside sources so I’d take much of what she writes as fan fiction or embellishment of known facts.

      • magnoliarose says:

        I didn’t realize that. What a strange thing to ascertain when it is easily debunked. What was the point of that?

      • Shotcaller says:

        Trust me, Nicholl can’t afford to spill too much authentic tea, much like Lainey. However she’s not as close to the royals as she used to be. But she’s no hack.

      • KBB says:

        @shotcaller So because she can’t “afford” to spill the real tea, she makes stuff up? Hacks make up fluffy, detailed stories like that, IMO.

      • Royal Suitor says:

        The source for this book should literally read Google. The two excerpts released so far have no new information that hasn’t already been reported or conjectured.

      • Truth teller says:

        Katie Nicholl is not a journalist.

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      Nichol’s used to be tight with Katie Keen and the Middleton’s – during the waitying years she was one of the favoured paps to leak stuff to. Nichol’s herself even admit this, one example was when Kate was on holiday with William, Katie was having a phone conversation with Katie Keen when William walked in the room and she hung up on her. She stopped being used after phone hacking allegations were made against her.

    • Izzy says:

      Katie Nichols can go fall off a cliff as far as I’m concerned; her coverage of MM has been just as awful as the rest of the lot.

  13. Tana says:

    This doesn’t sound bad very negative to be honest.

  14. Who ARE These People? says:

    The least he can do is be protective.

  15. Shotcaller says:

    It’s interesting about Nicholl. She gets along well with the Middletons but has no problem writing Kate hit pieces. She’s not as close to them as she used to be but still gets along with them. An acquaintance of mine who is a UK journalist gave me a lot of Nicholl spilled tea. She has become a bit of a conversation staple for several reasons.
    1. Nicholl met Harry in Covent Garden when they were at the same restaurant. It was a rooftop party and Harry asked the young brunette to join him and his friends at their tables. She did and they got along immediately.
    2. Harry later introduced Nicholl to William at a polo match and he also got along with her.
    3. Rumors swirled that Harry had a thing for Nicholl because she was an exact replica of Natalie Pinkham, a journalist Harry was seeing casually at the time. It is well known in some circles that Harry’s public girlfriends are blonde but privately he makes a beeline for slender brunettes. The truth is, however, that Harry and William liked Nicholl because they felt they had finally found a reporter in their age group who would write favorably about them. Nicholl was of their generation, was not over-awed by the aristocracy and looked/acted inconspicuous when she attended events with them.
    4. Nicholl basically became a part of their circle and grew very close to the York princesses. At this time she had met Kate and Pippa but was more team Chelsy/York. This was an interesting time in Nicholl’s career because she had unheard of access to the royals (Harry made out with a waitress right in front of her, Eugenie would do shots with her in her car before they entered a nightclub) and other reporters felt that lines were being crossed and Nicholl was beginning to think she belonged to that crowd. Rumors spread about a few hookups with Harry… This could have all been professional jealousy from other royal reporters but Nicholl herself has stated in an interview that she had to learn to separate herself from her story and as a royal reporter she had to learn that they were not her real friends, just subjects…interesting.
    5. Nicholl never had any doubt that she would be sanctioned to write their biographies because they trusted her. It wasn’t until Nicholl spent time with the Middletons while doing research that she began to like them. Rumor was that Carole is quite chatty and she and Nicholl would talk late into the night long after everyone else had gone to bed.
    6. Nicholl liked Kate a lot after getting to know her privately. Nicholl will tell you that Kate and Pippa are stuck up, that is no rumor. Nicholl prefers Kate to Pippa. Nicholl prefers Carole to both of them. Nicholl adored Chelsy but had to pretend to like Cressida to not upset the Yorks. Nicholl is still friendly with the Yorks, especially Eugenie and they would meet for lunch often in NYC (Nicholl was writing for Vanity Fair and Eugenie worked at an auction firm I believe).

    • ElleC says:

      This is my kind of royal gossip! Fascinating!

    • ScottieIsBack says:

      LOL. By the second paragraph, I had gotten tired reading this. But I m sure it makes a lot of sense.

    • magnoliarose says:

      Interesting. Thanks for taking the time to spell it out so clearly.

      • Shotcaller says:

        You’re welcome. Royal gossip is my guilty pleasure. I can’t wait to see what was true/false when the unauthorized bios come out in twenty* years. I can tell you that the Kate haters and sugars alike will be very happy ;)

      • magnoliarose says:

        It is becoming my guilty pleasure too much to my surprise and my husband’s confusion. lol
        Why do you think both sides will be happy?
        Now my curiosity is getting the best of me. lol

    • Sharon Lea says:

      Thanks Shotcaller, I enjoyed hearing about Nicholl’s backstory too. I read her book on Kate, has a lot of info that was clear she had real access to the Middletons.

      • Shotcaller says:

        That actually saved Nicholl when the phone hacking scandal broke. William was furious at everything that moved but Nicholl’s proximity to the young royals made it clear that the leaks were amateur. She knew much more than what was gleaned from a few voicemails. William became fairly certain it wasn’t her even before those other two reporters were eventually arrested and confessed. Close call for Nicholl. He still despises Tana however. Nicholl’s 180 on Kate is more interesting imo. Nicholl was there at the infamous Kate/York skating party showdown and thought Kate was a snobby glamour girl. Over time, however, they became friends and she saw more to her personality. The real shocker, so I’m told, is the fact that Eugenie is a sweetheart and is far less haughty than Beatrice who is not as well liked. Eugenie gets along with Pippa and James Middleton much to Beatrice’s private horror. Apparently it’s hard for Eugenie to dislike anyone for long. I think she is more like Fergie and Beatrice is more like Andrew.

      • minx says:

        Shotcaller– I can believe that about Eugenie. My niece is the director of a domestic violence shelter in NYC. Eugenie came through and took a tour; my niece was impressed with her down-to-earth personality, the interest she showed, the questions she asked. She stayed for a long time. My niece said Eugenie was really beautiful; I have a cute picture of the two of them posing together.

      • magnoliarose says:

        Adorable minx. The Yorkies get a lot of flak. They were called dilettantes in the press but anyone who meets them likes them a lot. It is a shame they don’t get to help and represent more. But Charles loathes Andrew so it may never happen.
        They do things and get so little credit.

        Your niece is incredible for doing such challenging work.

    • Princessk says:

      Thank you, Shotcaller…..

    • Thanks for the tea, Shotcaller! Very interesting. ☕️

  16. harla says:

    In their engagement interview Meghan said that she doesn’t read positive or negative articles about her and/or Harry but instead focuses her energy on their relationship, I think that’s pretty wise of her to do and hope she continues to focus on herself, her relationship and her work. There is saying that I personally come back to time and again, it might be of help here “In order to insult me, I must first value your opinion. Nice try though.”

  17. Michelle says:

    We have a “new” racism issue in Europe. It was always there, but people are nowadays not afraid to openly being racist. Brexit is one of the signs. It’s not just in the UK. I heard a lot of voices who said that Meghan is not suitable for a Prince.

    Many brits believe that the Royals are sending Will and Kate more out in the spotlight to distract from that issue many have with Meghan. Meghan will face more racism and criticism if the focus is to much on her and harry. So they send will and pregnant kate to balance the attention. To calm the brits. Many people are not happy with harrys choice. Of course Meghan has admirers but also enough people who are against her. Its sad but it makes more sense then the “competition narrative” between 2 women.

    I believe that the people will learn to love/like her more like the norvegian learned to love mette marrit or daniel from Sweden. They were also considered as not suitable spouses for a high royal.

    • minx says:

      They’re not happy because she’s bi-racial, American, an actress, divorced…? All of the above? A combination of one thing more than another?

      • minx says:

        Because, I was going to add, she’s way above his station in looks. He’s lucky to have her–they will have beautiful kids and MM brings some much-needed new blood into that family.

      • Patty says:

        They’re not happy because her mother is black; even though MM basically lives her life as a white woman. She only dated white men, it appears that her social circle is all white, etc

        It’s the biracial part that people don’t like. Let’s go down the list:

        Charles, the Future King, married to a divorce woman. The furor over that wasn’t because she was divorced – it was because she was Camilla and Charles long time paramour and many blame her for Diana. And obviously Charles himself is divorced.

        Actress. Big whoop. She made a decent and legal living on a TV show for seven years. No nudity, no explicit sex scenes, she wasn’t a nude model and she didn’t do porn. That was her job. She also during that time managed to start her own little lifestyle blog, travel, do volunteer work, and become an ambassador to a number of charities / organizations. What did Kate do during the 10 years her and William dated? Pretty much nothing.

        American. Again, I don’t think this would be an issue if she were white. Instead there’d probably be endless articles about how great it all is for Anglo – American relations. And how it would strengthen that special relationship between the US and the U.K.

        Here’s the deal, I could care less who likes or doesn’t like MM. I don’t have a horse in the race. It’s just funny reading all of the ridiculous reasons people will give for not liking her, when you can tell it took some mental gymnastics to get there. I’d respect them more if they were just honest.

      • Michelle says:

        Its all of this. But Its also plain sexism.

        A male friend of mine is 30 years old, his fiancée is 4 years older and divorced. Guess what people are talking? Couldn’t he find a young, not divorced woman?? Especially his mother. The fiancé is such a great person but that does not count. Its sad.
        I think It’s also the fairy tail that people have in mind with a prince, his princess needs to be young etc. This is what people see in Disney movies too. Not an older woman who’s divorced. But Thats just my guess

      • Apple Hat says:

        A few Daily Mail trolls aside, NO ONE cares that’s she’s American – no one thought he’d end up with a British socialite. No one cares she’s an actress – again, no aristocrats were ever going to marry him or Wills. He’s been shagging actresses for awhile. No one cares she’s divorced – in the posh set, divorce is frequently seen. And I promise you, outside of that tiny subset of Daily Mail monsters who hate everything, no one cares that she’s biracial. To be completely honest, I doubt most people would have even known if the BRF wasn’t pushing that fact so hard to seem all 21St century.

        I haven’t heard anyone say anything of the sort, but anyone saying she’s “not good enough for a prince” doesn’t know her or the Prince in question. She’s not a typical royal family member, because she’s a TV actress. But she’s marrying a Nazi cosplaying dimwit – she’s too good for him.

      • minx says:

        Thanks everyone-I’m American so I’m not up on everything being said over in the UK.

      • Sharon Lea says:

        It is frustrating to see those anti-American comments about Meghan, wish they knew that Diana’s great-grandmother was an American. She was a very wealthy socialite.

      • magnoliarose says:

        It is racism. Like most people who don’t want the label, they invent other reasons and try to act like the people saying it are “oversensitive” or the best one “playing the race card”. They act like the people calling it out is the problem instead of acknowledging what is obvious.
        They try to shut down the conversation because they don’t even know what racism is and how it plays out in day to day life.
        I have been the victim of this kind of bigotry, and it is obvious to those who have seen it or experienced it. It wasn’t about race obviously since I am white but religion.
        Some of it is based on the fact that she doesn’t look like them and feel rejected. Some of it is a woman of color encroaching on what they believe is a white only privilege. Discomfort with the changing world in which white isn’t always right anymore.
        The undercurrent of she’s not good enough and the continued insults about her career are just a cover. They don’t want to say what the real problem is because I honestly believe they have convinced themselves their complaints aren’t tinged with bigotry.
        Saw it with Michelle Obama too.

      • Sage says:

        “But she’s marrying a Nazi cosplaying dimwit – she’s too good for him.”

        Yes! It’s amusing imo that people think he is too good for her or could have done better! He barely has a high school education, an allegedly boarder line alcoholic who seems emotionally stunted with mommy issues. He doesn’t have job or any career plan and does minimal royal “work”. He will only make money if his granny, dad or brother give him some.lol He associated all his life with aristo and wealthy girls and they all passed on him. He knows he doesn’t have much too offer a woman.

      • @ Michelle +1000. The biggest taboo that this relationship breaks is

        Young Inexperienced woman greater than Older experienced woman.

      • minx says:

        Honestly, I actually forgot Meghan was older than Harry because she looks so good and he….doesn’t.

      • Shotcaller says:

        Just wanted to add that Meghan’s friends are actually not all white, including Priyanka Chopra and Serena Williams.

      • El says:

        I really don’t think it’s racism or anti-American sentiments- people in the UK are wondering why she is marrying someone like him, as she could clearly do a lot better than a dim, racist royal. I have heard many people in the UK say ‘she’s too good for him’ (true) and also people seem to have an issue with her being older.

    • Princessk says:

      @Michelle….I have to disagree with you. I do not think that W&K are being sent out to stem ‘hatred’ towards Meghan, its the very opposite. I think that H&M are going to be much more popular than W&K, and so this pair have to’ up their game’.

      The hatred is in the minds of the bitter, twisted, sexually frustrated jealous trolls on rags like DM, who plant vicious untruths which so many poor mutton heads swallow hook, line and sinker. Yes, Brexit has brought out a new strain of racism in the UK but Meghan is going to be very popular, she ticks all the boxes she is intelligent, warm and, importantly for the masses, very photogenic.

      Poor Kate was warned to be as unlike Diana as possible, ie don’t dress up too much, don’t upstage your husband, don’t embrace strangers, don’t appear to enjoy the limelight. That has now gone all out of the window now. Meghan is here, and Kate is now trying to unlearn everything that she was taught in order to bag her Prince. Things will be interesting but British people do not, I repeat do not hate Meghan. The wedding in May will definitely rival William’s and Kate’s in terms of numbers that can squeeze into Windsor, and feverish excitement worldwide.

      • minx says:

        Yes. Honestly, I think “royalty” is BS but this wedding will be wonderful PR for the RF. A May wedding, Meghan will look beautiful, Harry will look ecstatic…and it might be one of the last times the whole family is together.

      • Michelle says:

        Well, everyone has the right to their opinion and that is yours. I don’t know the total truth but that’s what i hear. I think you underestimate the actual racism in the UK and Europe. And i know that the hatred is not just on DM. It’s sadly everywhere to find. But as i said, there are also people who like her very much. But the hate against her is unfortunately more present. I believe it will change and the haters will stop. I hope it for her because i hate the current mood in Europe against non white people. Just imagine she were also a muslim.

      • Rachel says:

        The whole “British people hate Meghan” Tumblr narrative is complete BS, take it from an actual Brit. Americans like Michelle/Ellie don’t understand that the British people care about royalty far less than Americans assume. In reality most Brits are pretty neutral and not interested in royalty. It’s tourists and the elderly who are obsessed. There is certainly a minority of hard right wing types who dislike her but they are a very tiny minority.

    • Michelle says:

      @magnoliarose & @patty
      Totally agree

      • Michelle says:


        as a „brit“ please explain Brexit. How did that happen? Universe forbid but If Meghan was a muslim, explain the reaction please.

        Nobody is racist in the UK ? The right wing is so small that johnson and farage had no chance with the brexit? You may be a brit but you are not into politics and the actual situation in your own country.
        All is nice and well of course.
        Magnoliarose above very well explained in her post what the reality is.

      • Tina says:

        Another Brit here, agreeing with Rachel (and Apple Hat above). Look, there’s plenty of racism and xenophobia about in Britain. A lot of people voted for Brexit because they think there are too many foreigners here. But a couple of things: a) those hard-working Europeans people wanted to leave are white; and b) the racism doesn’t manifest itself against gorgeous biracial American actresses.

        If Meghan were Muslim, sure, there would have been more of a backlash. But interracial marriage between white and black people really isn’t a big thing in modern UK society (of all classes). I promise you that the only people who care are old people, a very few right wingers, and people in the US. It seems like a lot of commenters in the US heartland are appalled that Diana’s son is marrying a mixed race woman, but pretty much no one in the UK cares. At all.

  18. mogul says:

    Watch and see, I think that Harry will announce when/if they have children that they decided to not give them any titles. I think it was the exchange to get their marriage approved, not let their children be in line for the throne and Meghan accepted to prove her devotion to Harry. Maybe they won’t have any children at all because due to some health complication, and Harry will have them with the second wife.

    I’m just speculating but this is the sense that I get from their relationship, that Meghan is doing all the giving up and that Harry is just eager. I don’t think that Harry is as aware as Meghan of everything, and I think he will ultimately get tired of her then ask her for divorce.

    • magnoliarose says:

      Yeah right. Thank you for helping me prove my above point.

      • mogul says:

        How So?

      • Nic919 says:

        It’s one thing to disagree about Kate’s outfits or her work ethic, which we do all the time, but this comment above is suggesting that Harry won’t have a child with Meghan, for no apparent reason… oh wait we know why, because she is bi-racial. Not all opinions are okay especially if they are racist and racist comments need to be called out.

      • magnoliarose says:

        Joannie it is your choice not to participate.
        There are opinions, and then there are mean spirited attacks. If someone is going to dish out sharp tongued “opinions”, then they should be able to take the same in return.

        Saying they wouldn’t be able to have children because of race isn’t an opinion. It is far beyond that. That should be obvious to anyone with common sense.

      • @mogul “Maybe they won’t have any children at all because due to some health complication, and Harry will have them with the second wife.”
        ??? wtf this wedding hasn’t even happened. My goodness the crazy is happening

    • KBB says:

      Why would they have to sacrifice something for permission to marry?

      • mogul says:

        Because of racism, I don’t think that they want to push for a prince or princess with black ancestors. Just imagine the headlines.

      • Princessk says:

        @mogul…..William and Harry have Indian ancestry through Diana’s maternal side.

      • Nic919 says:

        It is utter bs to suggest that Harry’s kids won’t get a title if they are mixed race.

    • LAK says:

      Mogul: Google Philipa of Hainault and Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz

      • magnoliarose says:

        The Duchess of Westminster is related to Abram Petrovich Gannibal through Pushkin. Gannibal was African. She’s very proud of it.

      • JustBitchy says:

        LAK, specifics on Philipa of H? – her ancestors were French, Belgian, Italian, Hungarian – this is one family line I definitely thougth I knew via DNA and a private researcher

      • Masamf says:

        Heellloooo Lak, I missed you!!😘😘

      • Lyla says:

        @justbitchy isn’t philipa descended from Belgium Moors? She was described as having “betwixt blue-black and brown [hair]…eyes are blackish brown and deep. Her nose is fairly smooth and even, save that is somewhat broad at the tip and flattened, yet it is no snub nose. Her nostrils are also broad, her mouth fairly wide. Her lips somewhat full and especially the lower lip…Moreover, she is brown of skin all over, and much like her father.”

      • LAK says:

        Philipa is descended from Moors and is described as having the brown skin and eyes of her father. Charlotte was frequently described as Mulatto skin.

        Ps: Racism like Homosexuality is a recent concept. Back in ye old times, these descriptions were not meant in derogatory terms nor was it considered a negative to be dark skinned. And being dark skinned wasn’t a barrier to ruling or joining the elites. See also Alexander Medici, Duke of Florence.

        ‘Moor’ was a catchall term for everyone dark skinned whether black or Arab.

  19. Apple says:

    @ sharon lea what diana great grandmother name

  20. mogul says:

    The person who is handling the press is Harry, if Meghan is/was as thirsty. She would’ve proven that during the time she was filming Suits, she wouldn’t have lived in Toronto when she wasn’t filming but would’ve been at every minor red carpet event in L.A..

    Harry is the one trying to sell Meghan to the public, even if it is to the American public. If Meghan had a good publicist, she would’ve been in a fauxromance with some higher ranked actor who need a girlfriend to mislead his fans and she would’ve been in actual cinema movies playing the hot girl than the Hallmark ones she was doing. Meghan doesn’t know how to use the press, but Harry does and he has proven it many times

  21. Digital Unicorn says:

    I’d take whatever Nicholls write with a pinch of poo, she’s pro W&K and always has been. As someone else pointed out up thread she’s tight with the Cambridges and the Middletons so that tells you where her priority is.

    The UK press were nasty to Kate and the Middletons, Meghan is not being singled out because of her race – the Fail is notorious for being poisonous. Granted Brexit exposed to the world a minority of racists but be assured the vast majority of the country don’t care that she’s divorced or bi-racial, many don’t even bother about the royal family in general. I personally hope she doesn’t turn about to be another Katie Keen, all shopping and no work. If I have to pay for them via my taxes then i want my money’s worth – so far the Cambridges are not earning their keep.

    • Peg says:

      They’re two different people, one was raised in luxury never had to work, while the other one is lower middle class, and had some type of job from the age of fifteen.
      I can’t see Meghan sitting around idly, sure she is preparing for their wedding, but I see her reading up protocols and educating herself about Great Brition.

  22. Peg says:

    Your comments are funny, don’t know if that was your intention.
    So Harry is dumb and Meghan is not too smart, well their children should be Geniuses.

  23. Natalia says:

    “…perhaps limited in his ability to think of long-term strategies…” That is the most elegant way to call someone stupid I’ve read in my life!

  24. Patty says:

    For white people nothing is ever about race…..until they want to complain about how hard they have it because they are white. All anybody is saying on this board is that those who do have a problem with Meghan ( it doesn’t matter if it’s 1 DM reader or 1K) most of them are likely bothered by her race but won’t admit it. Just in this comment section people have said they don’t like her cause she’s smug / thirsty, she’s an actress, she’s C-list at best, her family is awful, etc etc etc – it’s always something.

    You could also say the same about Bonas (actress, thirsty, smug, family) or Davy (family) but nobody ever does. Hmm.

    • PamelaRose says:

      I agree. As a young, early thirties, biracial woman who married a white man, the only people who have ever cared and whom have gone out of their way to point out the fact that I am half black, are white women.

      • Lin says:

        I agree. It’s human nature. All you can do is try to be aware of our internal prejudices/ bigotry. For instance weight.

    • Jamie says:

      i’m not a white woman.

      I don’t know if she is smug or thirsty. But she is an actress, she was a C list her family are awful… Those are all true facts.

      • Scram says:

        Aside from the arguing about her being C-list, I don’t think anyone is disputing that these are facts. People are annoyed that others are using them to look down on her, as proof that she’s beneath the family she’s marrying into, or as proof that there’s something off about her as a person.

        Her family is trash, but it’s not like she chose them and the BRF is trash too, just rich respected trash. She had a job and she did it to the best of her abilities.

  25. Bliss 51 says:

    Because Prince Phillip was a devoted faithful husband, because POW wants the Duchy of Cornwall for his very own, because money to rehab Buckingham Palace was used elsewhere thus now gouging $$$ from UK taxpayers to, well, rehab Buckingham Palace, because Prince Andrew has sketchy friends . . .

    • Msthang says:

      Bliss 51, where on earth did you hear Prince Phillip was a devoted faithful husband, or are you kidding?

  26. LAK says:

    Regardless of the identity of Harry’s bride, his kids are not entitled to Prince / princess in HM’s lifetime unless she makes an exception.

    As soon as Charles becomes King, they are automatically upgraded to prince / princess.