I never expected to be talking about Stormy Daniels in 2018, but here we are. Not only are we talking about Stormy Daniels, we’re praising her as a national hero, a brave woman who had the balls to take on Trump mobsters and goons and tell the truth. What we’ve learned, more and more, is that all of it is interconnected. There is no “oh, the Stormy story is just a side-show” anymore. It’s all connected – because of Stormy, Michael Cohen’s office and home were raided. Because of Stormy, we know all about Cohen’s slush funds and how foreign money was being funnelled to Trump. And a lot more. So obviously, Rudy Giuliani wants to discredit Stormy. If only Rudy knew what the f–k he was doing.
Rudy Giuliani told an audience in Israel that he does not think first lady Melania Trump believes that President Donald Trump had an affair with Stormy Daniels.
“She believes her husband, and she knows it’s untrue,” Giuliani said at the “Globes” Capital Market conference in Tel Aviv. The former GOP mayor of New York also attacked Daniels, an adult film actress who alleges she had an affair with Trump more than a decade ago, personally and denied that sex workers had credibility.
“Yes I respect porn stars. Don’t you respect porn stars? Or do you think that porn stars desecrate women? Do you think that porn stars don’t respect women?” Giuliani said. “And therefore sell their bodies. So yes, I respect all human beings. I even have to respect, you know, criminals. But I’m sorry I don’t respect a porn star the way I respect a career woman or a woman of substance or a woman who has great respect for herself as a woman and as a person and isn’t going to sell her body for sexual exploitation. So Stormy, you want to bring a case, let me cross examine you. Because the business you’re in entitles you to no degree of giving your credibility any weight. And secondly, explain to me how she could be damaged. I mean, she has no reputation. If you’re going to sell your body for money, you just don’t have a reputation. Maybe old-fashioned, I don’t know.”
Daniels’ attorney Michael Avenatti responded to Giuliani on Twitter, calling him a misogynist.
“Mr. Giuliani is a misogynist. His most recent comments regarding my client, who passed a lie detector test and who the American people believe, are disgusting and a disgrace. His client Mr. Trump didn’t seem to have any ‘moral’ issues with her and others back in 2006 and beyond,” Avenatti tweeted.
LMAO @ Rudy Giuliani claiming that someone doesn’t have credibility. He’s been lying his ass off for weeks about sh-t that is easily verifiable. As for this whole “Stormy doesn’t have any credibility because she’s an adult film actress” respectability-politics sh-t… I think the genius of Stormy is that she’s never pretended to be anything else. She’s not ashamed of what she did for a living. She’s not ashamed of who she is. That’s the secret to her success: she knows you think she’s already low-class, so what does it matter? She has nothing to lose. She’ll see this through to the end. In any case, I would argue that Rudy Giuliani simply doesn’t believe that ANY woman has any credibility. Because that’s how these men think.
Photos courtesy of WENN.
Can I just say the choice of picture for that headline was the most perfect I’ve seen?
all i heard was DEERRRRRPPPPPPPPP when i looked at it
Right?!?
What this article needs is the video footage of Rudy in Israel yesterday dancing with a bunch of young women. Morning Joe enjoyed showing the clip. I enjoyed watching the clip and so should you. It was absolutely perfect. And so, so classy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNRGzlsXW4Q
That video…. just wow.
Kaiser is always brilliant with her photo choices…but I agree this one is extra special, lol. He’s so gross I can barely look at him.
Of course he also presumes to speak on Melania’s behalf and what she believes. Smh.
Well, using Rudy’s standard of when a woman is or isn’t credible, as a former porn model, Melania only has credibility if a man speaks on her behalf
Agreed. He is repugnant.
That picture is just amazing and summarizes my impression of the entire circus perfectly.
I’ve noticed over the years Rudy’s mouth is in a permanent snarl. He’s such an old creep.
Just say you don’t think women are human and be done with it, Rudy.
Exactly. Dare I say,that the party in general don’t think that women are their equals. I say that because this is a party that openly admits that they want to take away a woman’s right to choice. They are unapologetic about their disdain towards women.
I can’t imagine why his wife left him…..
You mean his incest cousin-wife or the others that he cheated on? I was so pissed at this interview. Another creepy old man with no morals or character crowning himself the arbitrator of assigning women as worthy or unworthy based on their looks and sexuality. Enough!! I hope this backfired on them in the courts.
In the end that’s exactly what it all boils down to with people who take Rudy Juliani’s stance on female respectability and self-respect: They don’t see women as fully human or really even as individuals. They also (heteronormatively) see sexuality itself as a woman transferring ownership of herself and her body to a man. When you see women as some type of ‘thing’ that loses its value the more it’s seen and touched, there’ s no other way you can look at women who don’t save sexuality for a private relationship.
Why doesn’t he apply the same criteria to the men who view porn and hire prostitutes and cheat on their wives?
If the men are still respectable, then so are the women. It’s a business transaction.
Exactly, jwoolman. There are two sides, they’re called “supply” and “demand.” I’m disgusted at how the right always twists the narrative, about everything.
Why doesn’t he apply the same criteria to the men who view porn and hire prostitutes and cheat on their wives? Because then he would have to “disrepect” himself!!!
Here for the header photo!!
Trying to taint the jury pool, eh?
SAD.
Rudy is playing the the Fox base.
Stupid windbag.
I wouldd trust a porn star over a politician anyday
Seriously right?. Both politicians and adult films f**k people for a living. One does it figuratively and the other literally. But the end result is the same: someone gets screwed over.
Exactly. And she actually does have a case, because being a porn star does not equal being a liar, which is what they called her. They defamed her and damaged her reputation as a business person. You can be an adult film star and be known as reliable and honest within your chosen profession. I hope she wins her case.
I’d trust a porn star before trusting someone who married their cousin (and lied about not knowing they were cousins)
Ha!
Had this exact conversation with a colleague who was fulminating over Stormy Daniels and her career and how he’s embarrassed and furious about it and WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN and how he hates anything to do with it, etc. etc. And my answer was, “So what? So what if you hate it? It doesn’t mean she’s lying.”
He should be furious at Trump. Trump was married and his wife just had a baby. So tired of people putting the blame on the women. Or bad mouthing the woman more than the man. Men have control over their penis, people need to stop acting like they Don’t! He knew what she did and slept with him. In the picture of them together, you can see by the smirk on his face that he thinks he’s a stud and is proud. So why act self righteous now? He was eating that shit up.
Call me old fashioned Rudy, serial adulterers like you have no credibility given their history of lying.
Oh wait, sorry you also have limited credibility bc of your on the record comments and behavior in your political life.
PREACH!
Yes. As others have said, it sounds like she was effectively intimidated and conned into taking the deal. She got played.
It also sounds as though she was shafted by her lawyer. She’s got a good one now and is a fast learner herself. Her current lawyer knows the law and won’t take the garbage the likes of Giuliani are trying to throw at her. I hope she wins the defamation case and I also hope the guy who threatened her is found and sings like the proverbial canary.
I still will never understand why she accepted the hush money in the beginning. Imagine the mess we could’ve avoided if she had said something much earlier when it mattered
Would you want to admit to humping on that Toxic Tangerine? I would run away and hide in shame rather than admit to sharing the same atmosphere as Trump, never mind bumping uglies with him.
Lol that’s so funny I’m actually giggling 😂. But fr I honestly don’t understand how she did it mentally Stormy is strong that’s for sure. Love your username btw!
We found out yesterday that her first lawyer was in cahoots with Michael Cohen. Avenhottie released the text messages of their collusion in a lawsuit he filed yesterday.
😱 I’m so behind on all the news ay dios mio. So many twists and turns I can’t wait until this all unravels soon
Avenhottie – perfect!!!! Stealing. 🙂
I think, as NoShame alluded to above, that we will learn more about they she didn’t come forward soon. Without knowing all the details, my first impression is that she was effectively silenced by 45’s henchmen.
I could see that, but then I guess I just feel that once the feds, FEC, or the media had got involved she could’ve been untouchable you know. Like if she dies suspiciously now all eyes are on the WH. I guess I’m just still salty about the missed opportunity her news could’ve brung
Rudy’s statement actually sheds a lot of light on why she didn’t come forward, IMO – she isn’t the “right” kind of victim.
That’s true, Lynnie. I just feel like the web of protection that these shady-ass men afforded each other and how interconnected they are with the political system would have been incredibly intimidating. But yeah, it’s hard not to think about how things could be different. Sigh.
@Veronica- Also true. In the eyes of these bastards, Stormy is seen as disposable trash that the public would never trust/believe. I have no doubt that she was told as much by these assholes.
Lynnie- if the locker room talk with Billie Bush didn’t cause even a ripple, I doubt that anything she might have said in 2016 would matter either. We’re dealing with the Strange Case of the Teflon Presidential Candidate.
Plus I doubt that the 2016 vote counts can be trusted, we’ve seen signs of vote shifting programs since those damnable machines were installed after the 2000 election (the Republican answer to the pesky hanging chad problem: make recounts impossible and make the vote counters hackable). The margin that gave Trump the electoral votes was ridiculously small, well within machine error. Recounts need to be mandatory, along with paper ballot backup for those machines that can be viewed by the voter.
The Republicans also skipperdeed into court right away to block recounts when millions of dollars were raised to pay for the recounts. The only reason for an alleged winner to block recounts is because he or she knows the count was not valid.
This is probably a better time for her to come forward. Her cases and her articulate lawyer are actually doing a lot of good in keeping the focus on Trump and Cohen shenanigans and what kind of a fixer Cohen was. Also the seized documentation may corroborate her story, which will be helpful for her cases. Since Mueller has been following the money trails, he might already have something useful about this.
His ex-wives and children all hate him, ‘nuf said.
One of his ex wives was a dean at my University and “alleged” rumours going around was he was absolutely horrid.
He’s disgusting.
She had already told her story in multiple articles, why not get paid after the fact?
Plus there is the very real possibility she was threatened
Is he impersonating a blow up doll? LOL
And the longer these old ass white men continue to run our lives, they have absolutely no credibility in anything other than destruction.
Who decided to raise Nosaferatu’s coffin lid and put him in front of a camera to say words like this. I want a name.
And the header photo, *chef’s kiss*.
Perfect description of him.
The sad part is that it’s not just Rudy who thinks like this. SO many people, right and left alike, disrespect her because of who she is— whether it’s conscious or unconscious. I love Rachel Maddow, but she CONSTANTLY refers to Stormy as “A porn star” or “the porn star” or if she’s feeling generous “Porn Star Stormy Daniels.” It hasn’t happened just a few times— she does it all. The. Time. At this point, it’s demeaning. We know what she does for a living. We don’t need a constant reminder. And sadly, though Rudy is much more deliberate about his degredation, Rachel and Rudy’s attitudes are widespread. Sex work is work. Stormy Daniels is a human being worthy of respect. Don’t @ me.
Also, you f*cking Naked Mole Rat, if this is the line of thinking we’re following, your idiot boss has no credibility because he’s a dumb @ss, racist, treasonous sexual assailant. Bye.
Yes this really bothers me too. We know who she is, stop with the “porn star”.
Right? Love me some Stormy. That woman deserves all the respect.
Also, I miss you Shamby *teary-eyed cat emoji*
PS-BREAKING: PRUITT RESIGNED!
Well, some good news at last. I guess the little chicken franchise exploration on the taxpayer’s dime was the final (finally!) straw.
I miss you too, Kit!! I took a year off school and now I’m back in, and it is kicking my ass. I have very little free time and I really shouldn’t be doing this right now. *shrugs* Gotta enjoy life. Where did you see the news about Pruitt??? I can’t find it!
WHere are you seeing this about Pruitt? Can’t find it anywhere!
I can’t help but feel the replacement will be worse =(
Pruitt? WUT? Where?
NOOOO!!! I saw where his two top aides resigned…wow, the thought plickens!!!
I know that two of Pruitt’s aides have resigned, but I can’t find any reports that he has … yet. He will/should.
Where did you see that Kitten? I’m not finding it on Twitter.
Gah I’m sorry you guys. *facepalm* My BF texted me that and I should have double-checked. False alarm. He said he saw it in his Twitter feed but he must have seen something about Pruitt’s aides.
I’m fake news 🙁
Man, I should have known…wild horses couldn’t drag that shameless sh*tbag away from the EPA.
My first thought was Lynnie’s: he’ll be replaced by someone worse. I do wonder if his aides resigning means that something is coming down the pike for him though…
And Stormy actually is not just a “porn star”. She’s on the production end now (and therefore is a businesswoman) and also has done some interesting political stuff that sounds essentially like performance art. Plus she’s a mother of a young child, and I thought Trump didn’t want us to disrespect mothers. Or is that just for his complicit daughter Ivanka and his smokey-eyed press secretary?
Anyway – although Trump undoubtedly knew who Stormy was because he had watched her perform in porn videos (there would be no porn stars without a market for their work, Donald, and that’s you), she apparently was not presenting herself as a porn actor to him when they first talked. She wasn‘t averse to going along with his expectations of sex as long as he dangled the publicity bonanza of being on the Apprentice show, but she thought they were going out to dinner for business talk, not end up eating in his hotel room with him chasing her around.
Stormy is far more credible than Trump has ever been, and she is far more intelligent and articulate. And note, dear reader, that she turned down a second request to have sex with him once she realized he was not being truthful about getting her on tv. She saw through the Trumpster quicker than most.
As far as Trump’s attack dog is concerned — Rudy Giuliani has no credibility because he is a professional liar. I would be happy to have Stormy living next door to me, but would worry about the cats’ safety if liar liar pants on fire Rudy Giuliani moved in. Stormy Daniels sounds like a truth-teller to me, and I hope she is vindicated by the pile of docs seized from Michael Cohen.
Great explanation!
At least Rachel could call her a porn director or producer, since that’s apparently what she now is.
But her relevance in this case isn’t her profession but rather the fact that she had a one-night stand with Trump and lived to tell the tale. Maybe call her Trump’s one-time sex partner? They really didn’t have a long-term relationship, so mistress doesn’t work.
What do guys like Trump get called when they have one-night stands, anyway? Or when they have long-term affairs? Master definitely doesn’t work. We need a better vocabulary. One-night standees?
Or are we now dissing everybody who has had a one-night stand? That’s a whole lot of people. The continent would tilt if they were all gathered on one side of it.
@Shambles: So true. Whether a rant like his comes from the right or the left, it’s about putting female sexual modesty over actual equality. It comes from that delusional place of conflating respect for purity with respect for women and a woman respecting herself).
Now he’s trying to play the Andrea Dworkin card and spin his misogyny as ‘feminist’ and his critics as ‘anti-feminist’.
God dang it drives me NUTS to see all the “she’s a p*rn star who cares/so they ha dan affair who cares” BS around this story! Hypocrisy aside, the reason this matters is very simple- the coverup. Hottie Avennati and co have been completely honest that the threats and/or campaign violations are the concern. Of course he and Ms. Daniels want to be paid, but dismissing them, for that or any other reason?? Cmon now!
Ghouliani forgot to point out that MEN seek out adult film stars for their pleasure. If all men were as moralistic as Rudy pretends to be then there would be no use for sex workers. Basic economics of supply and demand. I highly doubt the women in this profession seek out atrocious men like Trump to rendevouz with, it’s clearly the opposite. Go get’em Avenatti!!!!
That is the face of a man who’s getting pegged but refuses to admit he enjoys it.
LOL
LMAO
BWAHAHA
And a reality star has no business nor credibility in the white house.
The gleeful slut shaming of Stephanie Gregory Clifford by drooling, rape fantasist chauvinists needs to stop. It has a vicious, hateful tone that is disgusting and dangerous.
Rudy has no credibility as a delusional flack for a delusional “reality star.” Rudy”s misogyny and narcissism run deep. I’d believe Stormy over anything Rude-y or Trump said. They are proven liars with not even a superficial relationship to truth, integrity or fair play.
Such class-this is the guy that told his wife he was leaving her in a press conference..His admission that he respects criminals explains his kissing trump’s rump..even Stormy wouldn’t do that..and if his orange buddy is handing out $$$ to women he didn’t have affairs with, let’s all get in line for our checks..
Rudy, stop spewing word barfage, you’re just digging yourself into a deeper and deeper pit of rancid stupidity.
That whole Giuliani in Israel thing was a $h!tshow. Saying that Kim Jung-un was begging on his knees for the summit to reconvene was very undiplomatic, to say the least. But he also tried to cast doubt on whether Trump had an affair with Stormy (does anyone doubt that?): “I don’t think there’s a slight suspicion it’s true. Excuse me, but when you look at Stormy Daniels. I know Donald Trump. Look at his three wives, Beautiful women, classy women, women of great substance. Stormy Daniels?” And then he made that disgusting snort noise that he makes. For some reason that part of the quote struck me as even more misogynist than the rest of that anti-female vitriol. And then he called porn a slimy business, thus adversely impacting Stormy’s credibility. Is porn slimy vis-a-vis New York real estate development for instance?
This from the guy who is directly responsible for the death of 125 emergency responders during 9/11. He crafted a sweetheart deal with Motorola and bought their CRAPPY radio system even though he was WARNED by his staff that the radios were faulty. Those men NEVER heard the command to leave the building and they ALL DIED.
I hate Ghouliani–what a waste of space.
Does he think Melania has no credibility, after her nude lesbian photo shoots?
Did you all see the tidbit that Stormy’s former lawyer, Keith Davidson, (who she’s suing for being a Dotard-puppet) ALSO represented Karen McDougal and the Playmate who had an abortion paid for by Cohen/Dotard??
Do you think the deplorables will turn on their Dear Leader if it comes out that he was the one who got the woman pregnant, not Broidy?
Edit to add: Kaiser, you have outdone yourself this time with the header pic. Thank you for all you do to keep us CBer’s sane!!
“Do you think the deplorables will turn on their Dear Leader if it comes out that he was the one who got the woman pregnant, not Broidy?”
Emphatically NO. I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately and I’ve come to the conclusion that the only thing that will make these people turn is if NK drops a nuke on us. I’m not being facetious or trying to make a joke, I really believe that’s the only possible way he will loose his base of supporters.
And FTR, I do think it was 45 that got her pregnant,
Kitten – I’m more of a pessimist. They won’t blame Trump for anything Kim does. They’ll just say Congress and libtards are to blame, they held him back from annihilating North Korea all in one swoop. Besides, odds are that Kim will hit areas like Hawaii (alleged birthplace of the awful secret Kenyan Muslim) and California (which voted massively for Crooked Hillary). Good riddance, they will say.
I’ve written off Trump’s base of deplorables. We just have to hope they will eventually die out and leave us with a nicer country, assuming we can survive Trump. Their numbers aren’t that big, they’re just loud. Probably 15-20% of registered voters when you separate out the selfish twits who voted for Trump even though they didn’t like him.
Nope. They will say that it’s a mistake he made before becoming president, or God has forgiven him by his current deeds to end abortion services and outlaw abortion. They will claim the woman tricked him or that it’s all fake news. Hypocrisy does not faze his Evangelical fanbase. Trump is God #2 to them.
The only truthful thing Trump ever said was that he could literally kill someone in Times Square and keep his fanbase (read: cult).
Giuliani looks like he has really bad breath.
Oh ok. In order to respect women, we need to pretend Melania’s husband didn’t have an affair weeks after she gave birth to their baby, and we need to shit all over the brave woman not backing down in the face of intense scrutiny. WHAT A WIN FOR THE WOMEN!
Says the controversial mayor of NYC
Let’s be honest ……few of us have a desire to see ourselves , our sisters or our daughters in the sex industry. It’s a choice, it’s her right, there is obviously money and market……but it’s damn hard to not have some sense of judgment about it, And then there’s the fact she willingly slept with Trump in hopes of a quid pro quo benefit. Another reason to judge.
I’m not loving her as a human being, She slept with him for commercial gain, she did accept the hush money to start with, she lied about it saying it didn’t happen, then she started playing coy and and and.
Clearly there are now questions about her initial legal representation and that certainly mitigates some of these things. But yeah, not all of them,
All that said, I tend to believe her about most things. But I still have a doubt or two about some of the details.
But overall she’s probably the most credible of everyone involved as a truth teller in this,
However Trump is scum, so yes, I’m Smirking about the current situation.
And RG has been a delightfully disaster prone train wreck since joining the $hit #torm, Loving that.
It’s a very simple matter if people doubt Stormy lied about having sex with Trump and being paid off. Trump just has to allow discovery of facts in the CA courts and then get on the stand to say no he did not have sex with that woman nor did he tell his lawyer to pay her off.
If Stormy is lying, Trump and his Ghoul wouldn’t have to engage in Weinstein level of character assassination.
Oh, Lordy, let there be a blue dress.
“Let’s be honest ……few of us have a desire to see ourselves , our sisters or our daughters in the sex industry.” I agree, but it’s not the profiting off of sex factor or the casual sex factor- it’s the way sex workers are treated by society. Both sexes are trained to dehumanize them even more than we’re trained to dehumanize other types of sexually immodest women.
& Rudy has no credibility because he is a 21st Century Politician.
So by extension, men who pay for sex and repeatedly cheat on their wives with sex workers are also despicable, right? Another brain genius argument from Rudy Giuliani.
Btw, just yesterday, the texts that came out between Michael Cohen and Daniels’ then-lawyer Keith Davidson show that Cohen was literally with Melania as details of the 130K payoff were being worked out just before the election. So that might affect our sense of her disbelief about that affair.
Also, let’s face it, she was probably grateful to any woman who took pressure off her to have relations with Bulgy the Cheeto.
I use to have a smidge of respect for Giuliani. Used to . . .
I have a bad feeling that Stormy may have picked the wrong lawyer. Avantii, seemed a perfect choice at first a real Rottweiler protecting the under dog by taking on the Bozo in Chief , but it looks like he is just a chancer who saw Stormy as his get out of jail free card.
It seems, his law firm is in bankruptcy and he allegedly looted the Tuly’s Coffee Co. employee tax witholding accounts to – among other things – pay for lawyers to represent his law firm in bankruptcy. Avenatti’s investment firm that he controls also has 50+ federal and state lawsuits pending against it for fraud, unpaid taxes, unpaid wages, and unpaid rents. Also, there is at least one California State Bar complaint pending against him for his role in all of the above.
Are there any genuine people left in the world , I am no fan of Stormy’s but I must say she seems like the only honest person in this who sorry episode.
“Fooliani’s” odd mouth-agape expressions remind me of those deep sea fishes that live in the Mariana Trench.